Why the fifth generation fighter J-5 is still not put into service: in China they are looking for a reason

More than 7 years have passed since the first flight of the Chinese fighter of a new generation (at that time - the prototype) J-31. This combat vehicle in China is positioned as the future carrier-based fighter, which can be the basis of the wing of Chinese-made aircraft carriers - starting with Type003 (promising aircraft carriers with a flat deck).

More than 7 years is an unacceptably long period, according to modern China. It is noted that the FC-31 (another variant of the name of the multi-role fighter J-31) "could have been in the PLA Air Force / Navy for several years." But the arming is delayed.

Now in China, they decided to identify the reason why another fifth-generation fighter has already been adopted (the J-20), and with the J-31 there are problems in this regard and it is still not put into service.

It is noted that between the J-20 and J-31 a big difference

It consists in the fact that initially the FC-31 project did not receive funding from the military budget of China, unlike the J-20 project. The J-31 project was funded exclusively by a development company, which aimed to create a suitable prototype that could interest the Ministry of Defense. In the end, the PRC military was really interested in the FC-31 project, but, as they say in China, “a lot of time was missed, the project was moving slowly.”

Today, the J-31 fighter continues to bring to mind. At the same time, the main problem in its implementation was and remains the problem of an engine suitable for such a fighter to become decked.

Against such a background, materials about the allegedly possible export of the J-31 began to appear in China. Officially, these materials have not yet been confirmed. At the same time, they say that the J-31 in the export version could be used precisely as air force planes, and not as combat weapons aviation Navy.

These statements are more like trying to find a reason and justify the fact that over the 7,5 years since the first flight, the J-31, designated as a fifth-generation carrier-based fighter, has not shown landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

Comments

[Doccor18]

Now in China, they decided to identify the reason why another fifth-generation fighter has already been adopted (the J-20), 

Accepted, accepted .. But how much combat capability is it?

[Civil]

There is no engine of the corresponding engine, and to make a new body to the engine from 21 instant is not very.

[Aleks2048]

These statements are more like trying to find a reason and justify the fact that over the 7,5 years since the first flight, the J-31, designated as a fifth-generation carrier-based fighter, has not shown landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

Well, these reasons are at least worrying, but we unfortunately have no reason for our Su57 except for one reason about money. But the SU-57 could have a very good future ...

[Doccor18]

Let the SU-57 have a future! He is simply doomed to him. In 15-20 years, all MIGs and Su-27-30 will have to be written off. And what will remain? Su-35 is a deeply modernized aircraft, but still 4 generations. Only he remains - the SU-57.

[Aleks2048]

Let the SU-57 have a future! He is simply doomed to him

Let your words be to God’s ears!

In 15-20 years, all MIGs and Su-27-30 will have to be written off.

That will remain the SU-35.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex2048

But the SU-57 could have a very good future ...

It will be. You bury it early.

[Aleks2048]

You bury it early.

How can you bury something that in fact was never born? And by the way, it’s probably really time to have an abortion. As long as we can safely say that the fight in the 5th generation aviation of the Russian Federation has lost almost in the dry ... After all, even if the Russian Federation begins to rivet according to the state program, we simply don’t have enough time or production capacities to achieve quantitative parity even with China, even with the United States. Perhaps we will measure pisyunami with Europeans or Turks ... And then we will tell how we all won somewhere in Africa or ... Syria ... or maybe even in Libya ...
With the resources that today the Russian Federation can afford to spend on the Armed Forces, it is necessary to urgently change the approach to war ... It is really necessary to use the previously created platforms by modernizing them (it is clear that there is a limit, but it is far from exhausted). And yet, it is necessary to develop domestic electronics and bring it to the level of a full-fledged network-centric war, and most importantly, it is necessary to develop means of detecting the enemy, to bring them to a qualitatively new level, then we will have more chances. Yes, it is not cheap, but it is cheaper than creating new platforms from scratch and bringing them to perfection while they remain loosely connected with the old models of weapons, and even the "zoo" of models of equipment in combat units that needs maintenance is growing.

[Archon]

We will see the su-57! Most likely in 2024 and 2030.

[rotmistr60]

These statements are more like trying to find a reason and justify the fact that in 7,5 years ...

Well, it’s not a Russian technique to criticize sticking out one’s own as the best. Before vigorously praising your swamp, figure out whether the bumps are right in it?

[knn54]

And what prevents to make a "coupling" of two aircraft carriers for the "killer" Su-57 and F-35.
Two decks for take-off and run are enough.
Just kidding...

[KVU-NSVD]

There will be engines, there will be a plane. The Chinese still have time to launch and bring to mind the first ejection aircraft carrier with a flat deck. And seven years is not the time for the appearance of a new aircraft (from its design to the series)

[Alex777]

There will be engines, there will be a plane. The Chinese still have time to launch and bring to mind the first ejection aircraft carrier with a flat deck

So it is.

And seven years is not the time for the appearance of a new aircraft (from its design to the series)

And here there is a small correction: provided that the developing country is able to make engines.
Even our second stage engine is still in operation.
And the Chinese could never even overpower the engine first. Will they be able to do without external help - they are tormented by doubts. And their assistants, for today, are almost gone.
So the Chinese have everything as usual; the plane is the most invisible.
Because there is no normal engine.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Alex777

And the Chinese could never even overpower the engine first.

Yes they did, but, the infection eats a lot and does not give out the estimated resource. But they are persistent - they will bring to mind sooner or later ..

[Alex777]

I remember a bike, how they brought the whole Fau and tried to copy.
It turned out that in the design of 150 alloys that the USSR did not.
The queen had to do almost everything from scratch. If the Chinese have their own Korolev, then maybe they will bring it. The question is when?
Well, our school does not stand still ...

[Klingon]

among the Chinese with troubles, it’s not enough just to unscrew the dviglo by cogs, copy the parts and assemble your own from what you have to — here is a subtle science — materials science, special alloys, etc. Microelectronics alone is not enough. The aircraft engine is not for you to stamp smartphones. In Russia, whole institutions are doing this.

[KVU-NSVD]

I completely agree . The Chinese are now on the path to becoming their engine building and sooner or later they will succeed. For this, they have everything, they just need time to create, in addition to production, a school and a scientific and production reserve

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

The same rake. As for F 35, we stamped the beginning. And then we will sort it out. Bring to mind. And then to the series.

[Cyril G ...]

Do they have an adequate engine? otherwise the only Leopard successfully sold for export was going to Pakistan with the Klimovsky engine.

[alexmach]

Do they have an adequate engine? otherwise the only Leopard successfully sold for export was going to Pakistan with the Klimovsky engine.

They say that there has been a replacement for this engine for a long time, the Chinese offered the Pakistanis an "upgrade". But with the engine for a new bird, the problems are obvious and predictable.

[Cyril G ...]

For some reason, the packs are in no hurry with an "adequate replacement" .... However, remembering that the WS-10 did not really step over 1000 hours of real life, it is unlikely that the situation with the replacement of the RD-93 is even better.

[Lord of the Sith]

Even the Chinese themselves admit that the stamp "Made in China" is not very good)
There are resources, but not enough knowledge.

[Alex777]

Not everywhere, but here - for sure.

[Alexey from Perm]

Can you take care of what is still not in service with the SU 57?

[carnifexx]

The J-20 received generous funding and Russian engines and was adopted by the 17th, it made its first flight for the YEAR earlier than the subject (J-31), it’s just that the PRC has a 5th generation fighter (well, type) so they’re not here in a hurry, especially since it’s more difficult to create a carrier-based fighter, especially since they also need their own engine (and even for operation at sea) ... so it’s quite natural that they haven’t put it into service yet, but I suspect that they will formally put it soon to be