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Why the fifth generation fighter J-5 is still not put into service: in China they are looking for a reason

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Why the fifth generation fighter J-5 is still not put into service: in China they are looking for a reason

More than 7 years have passed since the first flight of the Chinese fighter of a new generation (at that time - the prototype) J-31. This combat vehicle in China is positioned as the future carrier-based fighter, which can be the basis of the wing of Chinese-made aircraft carriers - starting with Type003 (promising aircraft carriers with a flat deck).


More than 7 years is an unacceptably long period, according to modern China. It is noted that the FC-31 (another variant of the name of the multi-role fighter J-31) "could have been in the PLA Air Force / Navy for several years." But the arming is delayed.

Now in China, they decided to identify the reason why another fifth-generation fighter has already been adopted (the J-20), and with the J-31 there are problems in this regard and it is still not put into service.

It is noted that between the J-20 and J-31 a big difference


It consists in the fact that initially the FC-31 project did not receive funding from the military budget of China, unlike the J-20 project. The J-31 project was funded exclusively by a development company, which aimed to create a suitable prototype that could interest the Ministry of Defense. In the end, the PRC military was really interested in the FC-31 project, but, as they say in China, “a lot of time was missed, the project was moving slowly.”

Today, the J-31 fighter continues to bring to mind. At the same time, the main problem in its implementation was and remains the problem of an engine suitable for such a fighter to become decked.

Against such a background, materials about the allegedly possible export of the J-31 began to appear in China. Officially, these materials have not yet been confirmed. At the same time, they say that the J-31 in the export version could be used precisely as air force planes, and not as combat weapons aviation Navy.

These statements are more like trying to find a reason and justify the fact that over the 7,5 years since the first flight, the J-31, designated as a fifth-generation carrier-based fighter, has not shown landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 8 June 2020 09: 44 New
    +3
    Now in China, they decided to identify the reason why another fifth-generation fighter has already been adopted (the J-20),

    Accepted, accepted .. But how much combat capability is it?
    1. Civil
      Civil 8 June 2020 09: 50 New
      +2
      There is no engine of the corresponding engine, and to make a new body to the engine from 21 instant is not very.
  2. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 8 June 2020 09: 49 New
    -4
    These statements are more like trying to find a reason and justify the fact that over the 7,5 years since the first flight, the J-31, designated as a fifth-generation carrier-based fighter, has not shown landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

    Well, these reasons are at least worrying, but we unfortunately have no reason for our Su57 except for one reason about money. But the SU-57 could have a very good future ... sad
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 8 June 2020 09: 58 New
      +1
      Let the SU-57 have a future! He is simply doomed to him. In 15-20 years, all MIGs and Su-27-30 will have to be written off. And what will remain? Su-35 is a deeply modernized aircraft, but still 4 generations. Only he remains - the SU-57.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 9 June 2020 09: 11 New
        0
        Let the SU-57 have a future! He is simply doomed to him

        Let your words be to God’s ears!
        In 15-20 years, all MIGs and Su-27-30 will have to be written off.

        That will remain the SU-35.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 June 2020 14: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex2048
      But the SU-57 could have a very good future ...

      It will be. You bury it early.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 9 June 2020 09: 26 New
        +1
        You bury it early.

        How can you bury something that in fact was never born? And by the way, it’s probably really time to have an abortion. As long as we can safely say that the fight in the 5th generation aviation of the Russian Federation has lost almost in the dry ... After all, even if the Russian Federation begins to rivet according to the state program, we simply don’t have enough time or production capacities to achieve quantitative parity even with China, even with the United States. Perhaps we will measure pisyunami with Europeans or Turks ... And then we will tell how we all won somewhere in Africa or ... Syria ... or maybe even in Libya ...
        With the resources that today the Russian Federation can afford to spend on the Armed Forces, it is necessary to urgently change the approach to the war ... It is necessary to really use the previously created platforms by modernizing them (it is clear that there is a limit, but it is far from exhausted). And still, we need to develop domestic electronics and bring it to the level of a full-fledged network-centric war, and most importantly, we need to develop means of detecting the enemy to bring them to a qualitatively new level, then we will have more chances. Yes, it’s not cheap, but it’s cheaper than creating new platforms from scratch and perfecting them while they remain unconnected with old weapons and the “zoo” of equipment models in combat units that needs maintenance is increasing.
    3. Archon
      Archon 9 June 2020 08: 20 New
      0
      We will see the su-57! Most likely in 2024 and 2030.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 June 2020 10: 04 New
    +4
    These statements are more like trying to find a reason and justify the fact that in 7,5 years ...
    Well, it’s not a Russian technique to criticize sticking out one’s own as the best. Before vigorously praising your swamp, figure out whether the bumps are right in it?
  4. knn54
    knn54 8 June 2020 10: 12 New
    +3
    And what prevents to make a "coupling" of two aircraft carriers for the "killer" Su-57 and F-35.
    Two decks for take-off and run are enough.
    Just kidding...
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 8 June 2020 10: 12 New
    +3
    There will be engines, there will be a plane. The Chinese still have time to launch and bring to mind the first ejection aircraft carrier with a flat deck. And seven years is not the time for the appearance of a new aircraft (from its design to the series)
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 8 June 2020 12: 37 New
      0
      There will be engines, there will be a plane. The Chinese still have time to launch and bring to mind the first ejection aircraft carrier with a flat deck

      So it is.
      And seven years is not the time for the appearance of a new aircraft (from its design to the series)

      And here there is a small correction: provided that the developing country is able to make engines.
      Even our second stage engine is still in operation.
      And the Chinese could never even overpower the engine first. Will they be able to do without external help - they are tormented by doubts. And their assistants, for today, are almost gone. bully
      So the Chinese have everything as usual; the plane is the most invisible.
      Because there is no normal engine.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 8 June 2020 13: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Alex777
        And the Chinese could never even overpower the engine first.

        Yes they did, but, the infection eats a lot and does not give out the estimated resource. But they are persistent - they will bring to mind sooner or later ..
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 8 June 2020 19: 04 New
          0
          I remember a bike, how they brought the whole Fau and tried to copy.
          It turned out that in the design of 150 alloys that the USSR did not.
          The queen had to do almost everything from scratch. If the Chinese have their own Korolev, then maybe they will bring it. The question is when?
          Well, our school does not stand still ...
    2. Klingon
      Klingon 8 June 2020 16: 58 New
      +1
      among the Chinese with troubles, it’s not enough just to unscrew the dviglo by cogs, copy the parts and assemble your own from what you have to — here is a subtle science — materials science, special alloys, etc. Microelectronics alone is not enough. The aircraft engine is not for you to stamp smartphones. In Russia, whole institutions are doing this.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 8 June 2020 17: 14 New
        +1
        I completely agree . The Chinese are now on the path to becoming their engine building and sooner or later they will succeed. For this, they have everything, they just need time to create, in addition to production, a school and a scientific and production reserve
  6. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 8 June 2020 11: 00 New
    0
    The same rake. As for F 35, we stamped the beginning. And then we will sort it out. Bring to mind. And then to the series.
  7. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 8 June 2020 11: 38 New
    0
    Do they have an adequate engine? otherwise the only Leopard successfully sold for export was going to Pakistan with the Klimovsky engine.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 8 June 2020 13: 42 New
      +1
      Do they have an adequate engine? otherwise the only Leopard successfully sold for export was going to Pakistan with the Klimovsky engine.

      They say that there has been a replacement for this engine for a long time, the Chinese have offered the Pakistanis an “upgrade”. But with the engine for the new bird, the problems are obvious and predictable.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 8 June 2020 17: 41 New
        +1
        For some reason, the packs are in no hurry with an “adequate replacement” .... However, bearing in mind that WS-10 didn’t really step over 1000 hours of real life, the situation with replacing the RD-93 is unlikely to be even better.
  8. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 8 June 2020 12: 10 New
    0
    Even the Chinese themselves admit that the stamp "Made in China" is not very)
    There are resources, but not enough knowledge.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 8 June 2020 19: 05 New
      0
      Not everywhere, but here - for sure.
  9. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 8 June 2020 21: 55 New
    0
    Can you take care of what is still not in service with the SU 57?
  10. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 9 June 2020 10: 48 New
    0
    The J-20 received generous funding and Russian engines and was adopted by the 17th, it made its first flight for the YEAR earlier than the subject (J-31), it’s just that the PRC has a 5th generation fighter (well, type) so they’re not here in a hurry, especially since it’s more difficult to create a carrier-based fighter, especially since they also need their own engine (and even for operation at sea) ... so it’s quite natural that they haven’t put it into service yet, but I suspect that they will formally put it soon to be