The first modernized MBT Leopard-2PL entered the Polish army

Polish army began to receive modernized Tanks Leopard 2PL. Work on modernization is carried out by the consortium "Polish armory group "(Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa SA - PGZ), according to TSAMTO.

According to the publication, the Polish consortium PGZ delivered the first two Leopard-2PL tanks that underwent modernization to the Polish armed forces. The delivery of three more tanks is expected within the next week. The tanks will go into service with the 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade of the 11th Armored Cavalry Division.

Reportedly, modernization are tanks "Leopard-2A4", which are in service with the Polish army. The modernization includes: replacing hydraulic gun stabilization systems and turret drive with electric ones and improving the gun while maintaining its length and adapting it to new ammunition. In addition, the Leopard-2PL is equipped with modified sighting and observation systems for the commander and gunner with the 3rd generation thermal imaging camera. Additional armored modules and a new fire extinguishing system are installed on the tower. The technical condition of the tanks is also fully restored.

All work is carried out by Polish defense enterprises. A total of 2 Leopard-128A2 MBTs of the Polish army, obtained from the presence of the Bundeswehr in 4-2002, will be upgraded to the Leopard-2003PL level.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

The delivery of three more tanks is expected within the next week. The tanks will go into service with the 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade of the 11th Armored Cavalry Division.

Not everything is just like a puddle, for there is a life-giving source. The EU is dry.

[Thrifty]

That is, "cosmetic bag," and nothing serious? The level of armor protection is the same and the pace and the number of upgraded tanks leaves much to be desired ...

[Jager]

128 cars is a serious amount. Modernization to fit today. Fire hazardous hydraulics were removed, the scope was replaced, the protection was slightly improved, and the life of the machines was restored.
We would have bonnets thrown into the air and shouted about having no analogs in the world.

[missuris]

Well, I don’t think, nobody in Russia calls the T-72B3 in the world)

[Sky strike fighter]

142 Leopard 2A4 want to upgrade to Leopard 2PL by 2023.

Five Leopard 2PL tanks were handed over to the Polish army under a contract of 2015. In total, it is planned to upgrade 142 Leopard 2A4 units for the needs of the Polish Armed Forces.
During the upgrade to the Leopard 2PL level, the tanks underwent the following changes:
mounted hinged composite armor, significantly improving protection against certain types of ammunition;
increased ballistic protection of the tower;
hydraulic mechanisms for stabilizing the gun and turret drives were replaced by electric ones - this improved the operation of the mechanisms and increased the space inside the machine;
cameras were installed to improve visibility for the driver and a new surveillance system for the crew;
the L44 gun was modernized, which allows him to use new, more powerful shells;
an automatic fire extinguishing system is installed;
increased ammunition;
auxiliary power unit installed.

https://warspot.ru/17359-leopard-2pl-polskiy-vklad-v-nemetskiy-tank

The Polish version of the Leopard 2PL receives the following improvements: a new modular composite armor that significantly improves protection against certain types of ammunition, improved commander and gunner’s sights with KLW-1 Asteria III thermal imaging cameras, visibility cameras and KDN-1 Nyks night vision mechanics driver, replacing hydraulic gun stabilization mechanisms and turret drives with electric ones, which improves the operation of the mechanisms and increases the space inside the machine, introducing new 120-mm Rheinmetall DM11 and DM63 rounds into the gun’s ammunition, auxiliary power plant, and a new automatic fire extinguishing system.

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[figwam]

So the Germans refused to upgrade the tanks and I even guess why.

[n0001]

Germany has prepared a modernization. They transferred technology to the Polish arms group

[forpost]

those. discharged responsibility. Accepted.

[silberwolf88]

well, now the Poles will heal ... you can dream again about Lemberg’s return or sway at Tesinsky parish or here are the ancestral lands in Lithuania ... just don’t scoop Russia)) ... listen to Bismarck (by the way you occupied his lands ... Prussia after all, as part of Poland) he said smart things ...

[Vasyan1971]

The tanks will go into service with the 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade of the 11th Armored Cavalry Division.

Yeah This is not armored buryat hordes for you! This is for you - civilization!

[Lord of the Sith]

Two Leoperds to the Polish armored forces.
Wow, now heal))
How does Polish say “Peramoga”?))))

[Tuzik]

The clergy. Shos doesn't sound at all

[Revolver]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

"pride" from the Germans, or rather their tanks, which crushed them in 1939

And they pricked with their peaks and cut with sabers.

[Revolver]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

How does Polish say “Peramoga”?))))

And how is the Polish “Zrada”? Because, according to my observations, everything that is first called "exasperated", then turns into a hail. Yes, and also "Ganba".

[knn54]

Polish contribution to the German tank.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Side protection is not impressive at all. There was not enough zlotys for the new L55 cannon and the remote anti-aircraft machine-gun mount. There is no talk about KAZ and KOEP. As they did not master the removal of the gunner’s sight on the roof (of the A5 / 6/7 type): the hole in the tower’s defense is much more significant than the notorious “gaps” between the dynamic defense of the T-72B3. It’s not just that any BOPS will enter, but the simplest RPG seems to be enough. Reminds an analogue of the early T-72B3 (arr 11 years) in Polish. A number to make it bigger and cheaper. Only here the price is like 4-5 pcs. T-72B3 (the latest prices of about 90 million rubles were announced) . And 142 pieces against the 1500-1600 T-72B3 do not look convincing. So you need to increase costs Conclusion: German "businessmen" divorced Polish gentiles. Instead of selling full-fledged modern combat vehicles, they first drove the ancient Leopard-2A4 from storage to them for cheap, and then they stepped an expensive upgrade package so that the ancient 2A4 looked a little less ancient 2A4 at a price of almost new 2A7.

[Tuzik]

Ludwigovich, thanks for the A4 mini-reviewer, but tell me which model Russia wanted to buy, I remember ifa skipped ten years ago.

[carstorm 11]

Yes it Postnikov blurted out that at a price of t 90 you can buy three leopards. so it started with reporters that Russia wants to buy leopards. 11 year Commander-in-chief of the land then really said something strange.

[Tuzik]

Well, did he want this A4?

[carstorm 11]

he didn’t want anything. he simply said that 90 is expensive and you can buy for that money. reporters and supposedly experts decided that this means they want to buy leopards. which in itself is complete nonsense given the size of our park.

[Tuzik]

It is clear, thanks, and my colleagues and I then really discussed this info, some of the languages ​​clicked on from German technology.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: carstorm 11

Yes it Postnikov blurted out that at a price of t 90 you can buy three leopards. so it started with reporters that Russia wants to buy leopards.

Even at that time they talked about procurement of tank armor from the empirialists, because our bad ...

[carstorm 11]

Yes, there were a lot of funny things to say. we decided that alcohol addiction began there.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Tuzik

what model Russia wanted to buy, I remember ifa slipped ten years ago.

In 2011, the words of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces were said that three Leopards could be bought for one T-90. In those years, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation purchased T-90 from Uralvagonzavod at 118 million rubles apiece. Prices for "Leopard-2A6" in those years began from 143,5 to 287 million rubles. In fact, no one was going to buy Leopards, just the commander in chief drew attention to the increase in the cost of the T-90. Its value grew from year to year: in 2004 it amounted to 36 million rubles, at the end of 2006 - 42 million rubles, and at the beginning of 2007 - T-90A ("Object 188A1") cost - 56 million. rub. In 2010, the purchase price of T-90 under the contracts for the supply to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation amounted to 70 million rubles. And in 2011, the cost of the new T-90 increased markedly and reached 118 million rubles.

[Revolver]

It would be interesting to impose a price growth chart on the course chart, well, at least the dollar, or the euro.

[Jager]

They were transferred from storage bases almost 20 years ago. What did we have then in service ??? Ural and T-55 were still in use.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Jager

What did we have then in service ??? Ural and T-55 were still in use.

The first versions of the T-90 Russian troops received back in the 90s, about 120 units were purchased. At zero, they bought two battalions per year T-90. In this case, the bulk (more than 2000) of tanks of combat units (T-72A / B and T-62) was released back in the USSR and required an urgent replacement. Therefore, the task was set: to keep within 52 million per tank, superior to the main for the BTV T-72A / B, and to give the army at least 180-200 such vehicles a year. Otherwise, the BTV would simply be degraded, turning into an infantry. Therefore, they stopped purchasing T-90s and began mass-building budget T-72B3.

[Jager]

T-72BZ is not CONSTRUCTION of New tanks, but only the modernization of old ones. And again - the Leopards were set back in 02-03, when there were no BZs. What is 120 tanks for the country? For Germany, this is a good amount, for Russia, something is about zero.

[Lara Croft]

Aristarkh Lyudvigovich Conclusion: German "businessmen" divorced Polish gentiles.

it will be more expensive for everyone else to buy ... again, the article says:

All work is carried out by forces Polish defense enterprises.

... maybe in the future Psheks will gain experience in modernizing the used Leopards and then they will drink them to Ukraine (sooner or later, Ukraine will completely lose its competence in tank building) ....
... the main thing is that in the future the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not want to transfer to the used Abrams or Challengers ....

[Tuzik]

Quote: Lara Croft

sooner or later Ukraine will completely lose its competence in tank building

Why should she lose? Nato does not forbid his tanks to do.

[carstorm 11]

it would be what to do. can not be called mass production in the aggregate in my 8 machines per year ..

[Tuzik]

I don’t know how much they make there, but if the plant is not bent before the 14th, it seems to me now and in the future they will not let it bend.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

I don’t know how much they make there, but if the plant is not bent before the 14th, it seems to me now and in the future they will not let it bend.

Do not entertain yourself with illusions ....
One BTZ and three TRZ is too much for Ukraine, provided that BTZ them. Malysheva, can only carry out repairs and limited modernization of tanks ..... and then until the stocks of Soviet tanks are in storage, all the rest needs financial investments and personnel ....
TRZs can only carry out major repairs of tanks ...
The first one is probably the Kiev armored factory (in fact, it’s not an armored one but a repair one), because located in a prime location on the outskirts of Kiev ...
It makes no sense to invest in Kharkiv TRZ and BTZ, everything is obsolete there and Kharkov is on the border with the "aggressor", only Lvov remains, where you can set up modernization of used NATO tanks after huge financial investments, but this is utopia ...
Found on the internet an interesting article by a former employee of KB them. Malyshev left before the Maidan in the Russian Federation ...

Armored fist of Ukraine

https://news-front.info/2018/04/03/bronetankovyj-kulak-ukrainy/

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Tuzik

Nato does not forbid his tanks to do.

Duc and the point is not a ban.

[Tuzik]

What's the matter?

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Tuzik

What's the matter?

In the collapse of mechanical engineering, the loss of personnel, the lack of full-fledged production cooperation and the absence of a serious state order due to a chronic budget hole. You can add the loss of competence in the production of special steels.

[Tuzik]

I wrote above there, I’m sure that the state will support him in the near future. And how everything will unfold in ten years is still unknown. Experienced personnel are still there.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Tuzik

I am sure the support of the state in the near future he will definitely be.

The "state of Ukraine" has a headache about something else, it’s not tank building - poorly, poorly provide repairs, okay. And even if everything works out, then for any outcome of the struggle for Ukraine, this industry will not be needed either by Russia or the West, and for their own needs it will be easier to buy than to restore competencies

[Tuzik]

There is also Africa and Asia.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Tuzik

There is also Africa and Asia.

You should not count on large volumes of export - firstly, there are your interests there and, in general, everything is seized, and secondly, stable large deliveries require well-established production and a supply chain. And only on small episodic deliveries not a single engineering industry can hold on. Tank repair plants can still support the pants on this, but there is no production of new tanks. And the reputation on the international armored vehicles market of the Ukrainian tank industry is tarnished

[tikhonov66]

the matter is in the rods.
- the trousers of the nezalezhnoy not grab ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

Quote: Lara Croft

sooner or later Ukraine will completely lose its competence in tank building

Why should she lose?

I apologize. Already lost.

When analyzing the capabilities of the Ukrainian industry in the production of tanks, it should be borne in mind that since the Soviet Union in Ukraine was serious industrial potential for the production of tanks. So, the Malyshev Kharkov plant mass-produced tanks, and in the mid-70s he produced 96 T-64B tanks a month. In addition, there were a number of tank repair plants, the Kharkov tank repair plant was focused on overhaul and modernization of the T-64 tanks, and the Lviv tank repair plant - on overhaul and modernization of the T-72 tanks.
Over the years of the collapse of Ukrainian industry, this potential has been seriously undermined, but the foundation is still preserved. Ukraine can no longer produce new tanks, but it is quite able to restore and upgrade previously released ones.
Ukraine today is not able to produce new tanksbut it is quite capable of upgrading previously released tanks and bringing them to the modern level. It can upgrade tanks of the T-64B family to the level of the T-80UD tank, which in terms of firepower surpasses almost all modifications of the T-72, with the exception of the last T-72M1M and T-90M. This is possible subject to appropriate financing and restoration of technological processes for the production of components for the T80-UD tank in Ukraine, which were carried out during the implementation of the Pakistani contract.

https://topwar.ru/152797-chto-iz-sebja-predstavljajut-tanki-ukrainy-i-ukrainskaja-tankovaja-promyshlennost.html

[Tuzik]

In your quote, key phrases that confirm my opinion:
"Over the years of the collapse of Ukrainian industry, this potential has been seriously undermined, but the foundation is still preserved."
"... This is possible subject to appropriate financing and restoration of production processes in Ukraine"
I’m sure of financing, judging by the fact that we are pouring from the television set.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

"... This is possible subject to appropriate financing and restoration of production processes in Ukraine"

You misrepresented my quote in an arrogant manner in favor of your thoughts ... excluding the main phrase from it highlighted in black at the bottom of the text ...

She can upgrade tanks of the T-64B family to the level of the T-80UD tank, which in terms of firepower surpasses almost all modifications of the T-72, with the exception of the last T-72M1M and T-90M.

Thus, it can only upgrade tanks (and even not all modifications) only with sufficient funding and restoration of production processes ....

[Tuzik]

Lara, don’t be nervous, I don’t give Ukrainian bahwal quotes. Recently, the opinions of many journalists are very biased.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

I don’t give Ukrainian bahwal quotes.

I specifically try to refer to articles from VO so that people do not rave .... because of "wrong" sources ...
Regarding the competence of Ukrainian tank builders, I think it's too early for us to rejoice, because if need is forced, the empirialists will finance, and the Poles and Israeli Jews will help Ukrainians regain their potential, at least in terms of the ability to modernize Soviet tanks in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine ..
However, nobody will allow to restore the entire cycle of production of tanks in Ukraine, no one needs an extra competitor in the market of low-cost weapons ...
It’s interesting just what tanks the APU will change to in 10 years ....

[Tuzik]

We will discuss it in 10 years. I think Oplot will bring to mind, with the NATO gun. But or you want to believe in it

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

We will discuss it in 10 years.

You are an optimist. Workers BTZ them. Malyshev and three TRZ will wait 10 years? Here is the "Lenin smithy" (belongs, it seems, to the main Ukrainian "orphan") in Nikolaev did not wait for orders for corvettes, frigates and destroyers URO for APU ...

[Tuzik]

Yes there is such a sin, optimist And I want something that the tanks did not fight, but simply sold somewhere in Africa and Asia. And the money from profit went to raising pensions

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

And the money from profit went to raising pensions

Well, Uncle Vova suggested that you join the CU and all Ukrainian military-industrial complex will be involved in the defense order together with the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation ... but his comrades loudly laughed in the face, if only the whole planet would fight, and you would eat flour and. ..and pies ...

[Tuzik]

Dumplings are tastier than pies Let's see, maybe in ten years it will be so. I'm not surprised at anything.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tuzik

Nato does not forbid his tanks to do.

For example, Poland does just that, it produces its own “clone” of the Soviet T-72, which does not interfere; it buys German Leopards from the Bundeswehr storage depots, which the Federal Republic of Germany drank all of Poland, Leopards of old modifications stored in Portugal and Spain is in poor condition ... therefore, the Poles are forced to "pick up" from Germany the tanks that it withdraws from armament ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Lara Croft

... the main thing is that in the future the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not want to transfer to the used Abrams or Challengers ....

But who will give them Abrams for free? And the fact that they don’t have and will not have money, you don’t need to go to the grandmother.
Although ... If, contrary to expectations, they choose Biden, he can. In exchange for a warm place for his son on the board of directors of a gas company. Well, or some other company, no matter what it does, if only the directors are paid generously.

[white.eagle]

Part of the money, and this is not a small amount, was spent on Polish enterprises. It seems, of course, a little expensive for such a tank. But it was just a way to subsidize the Polish defense industry without the risk of problems with Brussels. On the other hand, Poland also has an additional 100 Leopard 2 a5 tanks. And Russia is not able to use all of its best tanks against Poland ...

[Mitroha]

Quote: white.eagle

And Russia is not able to use all of its best tanks against Poland ...

And here it is, please explain

[white.eagle]

However, you must have these tanks in order to maintain balance in other parts of the border.

[mvg]

A rare nonsense from Aristarchus. There was never a KAZ on the Leopards. The level of protection in the frontal projection is +/- 30 ° at about 1100 mm, abruptly than that of the Breakthrough.
Whence the figure of 1500 T-72B3, it was about 1000 cars. Yes, for a second, Poland has about 1800 tanks ... How do we like to fault someone else's (hostile)
PS: But the tank is beautiful, the Germans know how to do it. Well, who doubts, compare the Lada and Mercedes. We still have not mastered the diesel engine to Armata. 1130 l / s is the highest achieved, serial. Roots grow from B-2

[+5]

You could talk about spinning Leo-2 until the Turks took them to a picnic in Syria ... and immediately they sent pictures of the bodies torn at the seams a la T-64 ... so you cut the sturgeon, do not be shy. ..

[mvg]

I talk more with carps and with bream

[mvg]

Well, and to be honest, the T-64, more interesting than the T-72, mod 2016. Take an interest in specialists

[+5]

Long, sincerely and sincerely neighing ....

[mvg]

Well, do you find an article on VO or yourself? You can, of course, throw caps, but you can objectively look

[Hagen]

A total of 2 Leopard-128A2 MBTs of the Polish army, obtained from the presence of the Bundeswehr in 4-2002, will be upgraded to the Leopard-2003PL level.

For some reason, I recalled a fairy tale about Pinocchio - ".... and there we will throw the dice ...."

[Raven 95]

All these Polish attempts to become at least some significant power are being broken into the lessons of history. Everything always ends with the next partition of Poland.

[Revolver]

Quote: Raven-95

All these Polish attempts to become at least some significant power are being broken into the lessons of history. Everything always ends with the next partition of Poland.

In fact, the Polish hereditary dynasties, first of all the Piasts, and then the Jagiellons, would not have been stopped, there would have been Poland from sea to sea and in the east to the Volga, and even the Urals. The Chinese would have grabbed Siberia, or the Japanese, or some other Asians. But the dynasties were cut short, and the shannov panov wanted shit democracy. That the diet appointed and removed kruly. And so that any pan in the Seimas can’t annul his decision. Well, the famous right to Rokosh. And even with this crap they took Moscow and almost crushed the whole of Russia. And if they had a firm central authority, they would have crushed, not to the Time of Troubles a little later. All too loud screaming lords would be shortened to the tongue, if necessary, together with his head. And it would be the same in Russia as in Ukraine. The nobility would join the ranks of the emblem of the nobility. Over time, many would cross into Catholicism, like the same Gediminovichs and Vishnevets, formerly Orthodox clans. Orthodoxy would remain for cattle, and that would gradually be supplanted by Uniatism.
Thank God that the Russians were smart enough to choose not a diet or a chamber, but a king. Whether the choice of the Romanovs was good, whether it was bad, is another topic, but the main thing is that there was a tsar and not democracy. As a result, Russia ended up where it is, the greatest power of Eurasia, and Poland where it is, a little more than the Baltic Limitrophs. And it could have been where she was from Catherine to the end of the 1st World War, if not for the famous events of 1917 and not for Tukhachevsky, who had set foot near Warsaw.
So the Poles feel this at the subconscious level, and they hate Russia and the Russians because Russia has taken a place that, it would seem, was destined for Poland by history and geography.

[+5]

Palyaks in those days when "the whole world was tsylizovanny" went from feudal fragmentation towards absolutism, began to play in some kind of rzhachspublic, and even having half the population of a different faith and nationality ...

[mvg]

As the Psheks walked around Moscow, didn’t you learn history? While in modern history, only the USSR is divided .. multiple.

[+5]

There weren’t very little Psheks .... Litvinians, Cossacks, mercenaries and other rabble .... like a civil war ... and it ended up eating each other in the Kremlin ... and then 3 sections of Poland and incessant centuries of Pole popol

[Revolver]

Quote: 5-9

litvins, Cossacks, mercenaries and other rabble

.
The Poles are back
Cossacks brought;
The confusion and fights went:
Poles and Cossacks,

Cossacks and Poles
Us packs beat and packs;
We are like a crayfish without a king
Grieving aground.
.
History of the Russian State from Gostomysl to Timashev (A.K. Tolstoy)

[Mountain shooter]

Poland turned out to have too many foreign "pieces" ... They do not value their happiness. The Germans, they are so ... "Good" remember.

[pytar]

The modernization of the Polish Leopards is carried out by a joint project with Rheinmetall / Germany /.
The following improvements are envisaged: a new hinged composite armor, which significantly improves protection against certain types of ammunition, increased ballistic protection of the turret, replacing hydraulic mechanisms for stabilizing the gun and turret drives with electric ones, which improves the operation of mechanisms and increases the space inside the machine, the upgraded L44 gun (allows the use of new , more powerful shells) and increased ammunition, auxiliary power plant, a new automatic fire extinguishing system, cameras to improve visibility for the driver and a new surveillance system for the crew.

[Reserve buildbat]

And on the sides of the tower are these additional packages of armor on the outer hinges?

[pytar]

Yes. If damaged / damaged, can be changed.

[APASUS]

The material sounds like the Bundeswehr supplies tanks to them, not scrap metal.

The technical condition of the tanks is also fully restored.

[makasan34]

why pshekam tanks, they can, as in the second world cavalry, checkers on the head and on enemy tanks

[TermNachTer]

If 2-3 tanks a week arrive, then when all 128 are upgraded, you can safely start the modernization anew or buy others altogether, preferably also used, to make it cheaper.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

wonderful, now finally psheks will heal without danger from Russia and calm down. or not?

[mojohed2012]

Well, the tank is good in its own way, like all the maid in Jormani ..., but in principle it is good for it, as well as for 72 with a Polish body kit. The birds from the RPGs in Syria both burned the Turkish tigers and will burn.