Military Review

Where to go to work?

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Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask



One of the authors of these notes for today is himself unemployed, as we are called, “Putin's,” which he has already admitted to on the pages of the “Military Review” ("I am unemployed. Verified by experience ”) For those who managed to knock out the allowance, which the authorities call worthy, the most difficult is yet to come. The allowance is really designed for a maximum of six months. After you receive your series of rejections from employers, you can generally stay at the minimum wage in the region of seven to eight, or even four and a half thousand a month.

The co-author of this material is a pensioner near Moscow, who is not deprived of the right to earn some mayoral allowances, as in the capital.

Talking about clinging to the current twenty is unlikely to succeed for years, at least for months ahead, the first of us has to hear with every movement associated with our own employment. They just have a headache from them, but all the publications about employment programs, and about what Russians expect from the future in the labor market, authors still read from cover to cover.

The second of them is mainly concerned with the prospect of indexing pensions and looking for a decent income. The authors have unearthed an expert note by the center for labor research and the Directorate for Expert and Analytical Work at the Higher School of Economics, albeit in the presentation, even before the media took it seriously.

Honestly, we really wanted optimism, but thanks already for the fact that scientists do not scare us with complete collapse. By all indications, which are in the research of the “tower” experts, the labor market should pass the worst this fall, and then there will be a recovery, but it seems that with a complete change of priorities.


Less than a year ago, unemployment data could not seriously scare anyone

After reading, we preferred to conduct our small study of the labor market for today and for the future, interviewing mainly those who had to face when applying for a pension or the status of “unemployed”. We will not intentionally name most of their names, although some did not object to this. But experts with a name are ready to quote openly.

Perhaps the main positive conclusion made by both experts and specialists, one way or another connected with the labor market: those who lose their jobs and lose their salaries still have no dependent moods. The exact percentage was not even mentioned at the Higher School of Economics, but most Russians are not going to sit idly by because of the crisis, are not willing to put up with the situation of outcasts and are ready to change their work profile. Even with significant losses in income and the notorious social status.

Allowable loss


By and large, in our country all or almost all have already managed to go through a lot. Is that why the phenomenon of the crisis itself has so far not become a real shock to the foundations for Russians, even from among the young and very young? It would seem that they are more concerned about the specifics of self-isolation, the mask regime and restrictions on movement, but the main concerns are still related to work.

10 percent of citizens have already been left without it, and while most of them, judging by indirect evidence, more precisely, according to the benefits paid by the Ministry of Labor, have not yet managed to protect themselves with an acceptable allowance. Almost half of the workers admit that coronavirus and the measures taken to combat it, led to the fact that they were transferred to an incomplete schedule or sent on "voluntary" unpaid leave. Almost 20 percent lost their wages while maintaining the load, another 20 percent lost in wages in conditions when they work much less or do not work at all.

Employers can be understood, as a rule, they lose much more than employees who are left without work. This has already been verified by personal experience. However, for quite a few, the saving regime adopted during the pandemic and quarantine still helps. Incidentally, this was clearly indicated by HSE scholars who conducted the online survey “Work and Employment in an Epidemic”. The survey, which was conducted in mid-May, involved more than 5 thousand respondents from most Russian regions.

More than a third of Russians had to face unemployment due to COVID-19 and harsh measures against a pandemic. And although so far only one in ten has to go to the labor exchange himself, someone has remained unemployed in every third Russian family. For many, the role of rescuers today are pensioners, who at least receive their modest thousands regularly and on time.

In this regard, the famous public intellectual Anatoly Wasserman once again reminded that now is the time to at least slow down the process of raising the retirement age. His strict demand: “do not deprive the family of the life buoy” he accompanied with an interesting proposal - to send those who lost their job, one way or another connected with network resources, to “raking in virtual garbage”.

The shocking publicist and scholar have no doubt that unemployment, in addition to the market for optimizing network resources, will stimulate and

"More active use of artificial intelligence. After self-isolation, workers will increasingly be transferred to a remote place. The same is expected in the field of education, where the distance learning experience will soon be recognized as successful, only the elite will teach children the old-fashioned way. ”

According to expert estimates, these areas can absorb hundreds of thousands, and perhaps even millions of people. Moreover, people who in a short time can get a fairly high qualification. In this regard, many IT specialists from the labor exchange who complain about the huge amount of work with databases, including the labor market itself, which at the moment are actually "dead weight", are quite in solidarity with A. Wasserman.

The biggest losses in personnel and salaries are, of course, the most affected sectors: transport and tourism, trade, catering and services. There, as researchers at the Higher School of Economics have found, 65–75% of respondents showed negative dynamics in various forms. Including in the form of job loss and lower salaries.

It is not surprising that the self-employed are now feeling very bad, whose earnings have decreased at 75%. But for those employed in medium and large enterprises, a drop in real incomes is noted only in 48%. But this is also a lot, agree. The alignment by industry is still the same. And at the same time, Internet commerce and various kinds of network services jerked up, and things are quite good in the countryside, where 40% of respondents are ready to run away if necessary.

Why fire if you don’t have to pay


One way to adapt employers to the crisis is to reduce working hours. Together with a reduction in salaries, of course. A study by HSE shows that during self-isolation 11% of respondents were transferred to part-time or part-time work. Even more, about 13%, were sent on vacation - forced or "by agreement of the parties."

After this, as is well known from practice, you can never return to work. Some were forced to take sick leave or leave on schedule, but many often had to work for almost two. All this is very characteristic just for the most affected sectors, especially trade and services. But in the courier services, as well as the maintenance of networks and home appliances, staff starvation occurred, when even those who did not even dream of finding a job began to take on work.

Many employers suddenly ceased to be embarrassed by the pre-retirement or even retirement age of applicants, where experience and qualifications are much more important, as experts from the labor exchange and pension funds say almost unanimously. However, what kind of qualification the courier should have is not necessary to explain, and this is not why one of the authors was offered to deliver pizza twice. Thank you, at least they didn’t write off the “refusal”, otherwise the devil would know how much to walk without the “Putin's” allowance.


The young businessman Danil Makhnitsky, who recently broke through at the very top something like a “tax amnesty” for the II quarter, noticed that even in times of crisis employers were in no hurry to part with qualified personnel. And not only for fear of being punished or left without people. To dismiss, and even under the “Putin’s allowance” is a rather expensive pleasure.

The thing is that all sorts of tricks can be much cheaper. If only business activity returned quickly. Danil Makhnitsky drew attention to the fact that “tricks” with working time are also a form of “hidden unemployment,” such as that which disguises itself as hiring guards or fictitious people with disabilities. The main thing is to get benefits and tax concessions for this.

Nevertheless, it seems to us that the Russian labor market has not greatly changed even such a severe crisis as the current one. Everything develops as we are used to. This was noted by the famous economist Mikhail Khazin, who is not used to predicting all kinds of horrors. He always predicted huge unemployment for Russia, but now he also does not see the need for employers to dismiss, if you can simply not pay.

It is very characteristic that the overwhelming majority of those with whom we spoke relate to the transfer of a huge number of employees to remote work. Both in relation to employers who save on offices, social networks and infrastructure, and in relation to employees who win at least on time on the road.

The only exception was the doctor of sciences Mikhail Delyagin, who still heads the institute of globalization. He recalled the well-known synergy effect, which is simply not serious to talk about on a remote site. Delyagin coined the term “office plankton” at one time, but I’m sure that this public also needs socialization, otherwise it’s just degrading. The well-known economist did not remind about the fact that during the years of reform, the whole potential personnel reserve of Russia was pretty much degraded, and not only.
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  1. WILL
    WILL 3 June 2020 15: 06 New
    -9
    This is a problem not only in Russia ... a problem with labor throughout the World (the pandemic has made its own adjustments).
    Do not lose heart and do not give up! I wish you all a stable income! Sometimes the end of one stage of life opens up new possibilities! Good luck to everyone, I myself suffered - I am looking for New Opportunities, and something already turns out! wink
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 June 2020 15: 16 New
      28
      Do not lose heart and do not give up! I wish you all a stable income!

      Optimistic, straight on Medvedevsky .. with a personal example. laughing The whole question is, up to 40 years old, really, you can find something, but after 45 I don’t even know, physical health is not good .. and it will be very difficult to find another job .. unless of course it’s not a super specialist ..
      1. WILL
        WILL 3 June 2020 15: 26 New
        -24
        I am 44 years old, worked in construction, in large ... retrained for Melkoye (Dachi, Country cottages), demand grew by 300%, thanks to self-isolation. Do not panic!!! Everything will be fine.
        Regarding “according to Medvedevsky” - I have never demanded handouts from the Motherland, and I think It's stupid to cry for each incident. It’s hard for everyone now, a Man from Pinocchio is distinguished by the ability to think and Do, rather than dig five gold in a field of miracles .... yes
        Quote: Svarog

        Optimistic, straight on Medvedevsky .. with a personal example. laughing The whole question is, up to 40 years old, really, you can find something, but after 45 I don’t even know, physical health is not good .. and it will be very difficult to find another job .. unless of course it’s not a super specialist ..
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 June 2020 15: 35 New
          30
          Quote: ANIMAL
          I am 44 years old, worked in construction, in large ... retrained for Melkoye (Dachi, Country cottages), demand grew by 300%, thanks to self-isolation. Do not panic!!! Everything will be fine.

          Well, yes, when people don’t have money, they immediately build cottages and cottages begin wassat Where I build my house, a lot of abandoned unfinished buildings and vigorous activity is not observed at all ..
          Regarding “according to Medvedevsky” - I have never demanded handouts from the Motherland, and I think It's stupid to cry for each incident. It’s hard for everyone now, the Man from Pinocchio is distinguished by the ability to think and Do, and not dig five gold in the field of miracles .... yes

          What does swap mean? I don’t remember what modern Russia would hand out handouts .. I remember how I threw deposits, I remember how I raised my retirement age, but I don’t remember any handouts ..
          In your opinion, we have a country of opportunities? laughing
          1. really
            really 3 June 2020 15: 46 New
            -20
            Check the memory, watch TV, maybe remember laughing
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 3 June 2020 15: 53 New
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              Quote: really
              Check the memory, watch TV, maybe remember laughing

              If you are talking about compensation for quarantine, then this is not a handover ... but compensation is very small .. compensation for allowing a situation where you were reckless about a serious threat. Russia was one of the last countries to close its borders, and had to act in advance. In November, military virologists were supposed to be in China, and in December to provide data to the government on the nature of the virus, after which, in January, the borders should have been closed, and all visitors had to be quarantined for two weeks.
              1. really
                really 3 June 2020 16: 26 New
                -17
                You yourself understand that the people are paying for their mistakes themselves, for their choice, the deterioration of the quality of life, or not improvement and so on.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 3 June 2020 16: 42 New
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                  Quote: really
                  You yourself understand that the people are paying for their mistakes themselves, for their choice, the deterioration of the quality of life, or not improvement and so on.

                  The people are paying for the mistakes of the incompetent leadership of the country. Look even at this situation with the coronavirus .. at least someone was punished for not being able to prevent it and to assess the magnitude of the threat? No, no one has been punished .. complete irresponsibility .. but the economy, people have suffered ... and there’s no question of asking anyone .. Because you don’t ask, mutual responsibility, there are all your own ..
                  1. really
                    really 3 June 2020 16: 51 New
                    -13
                    The power did not fall from above, it was formed anew, the people lived their own lives, did not demand much, paid taxes, the authorities got used to it, and suddenly the people demanded, and the authorities couldn’t survive the people themselves
                    1. New
                      New Year day 3 June 2020 18: 47 New
                      +8
                      Quote: really
                      power can no longer, not to the people of her, to survive herself

                      power separately, people separately?
                      And why is there such a power that is not on the way with the people?
                  2. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 3 June 2020 19: 21 New
                    +1
                    And in which country have the pandemic threat been adequately assessed? All the governments of the world, it turns out, are mediocre?
                  3. Volder
                    Volder 4 June 2020 03: 10 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Svarog
                    The people are paying for the mistakes of the incompetent leadership of the country.
                    Couch Expert, of course, knows best how to lead the country. The people throughout their history always pay, regardless of who runs the country.
                    Quote: Svarog
                    At least someone was punished for not being able to prevent it and to assess the magnitude of the threat? No, no one has been punished .. complete irresponsibility .. but the economy, people have suffered ... and there’s no question of asking anyone.
                    You can assume that Russia takes an example from all other "normal and civilized" countries.
                2. New
                  New Year day 3 June 2020 18: 45 New
                  +5
                  Quote: really
                  You yourself understand that the people themselves are paying for their mistakes

                  and the biggest mistake is for choosing this president. who created this power.
                  1. Volder
                    Volder 4 June 2020 03: 14 New
                    -5
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    ... and the biggest mistake is for choosing this president, who created this power.
                    About the error - this is your personal subjective opinion. Speak for yourself. For all the people and for me, including it is not necessary to speak.
              2. Volder
                Volder 4 June 2020 02: 56 New
                -5
                Quote: Svarog
                Russia was one of the last countries to close its borders, and had to act in advance.
                Russia has restricted the entry of foreign citizens into the country from March 18, and on March 23, the Russian Federation limited air traffic to 146 countries. The complete closure of the borders took place on March 30. If you look at other countries, then most of them began to take similar measures in March. Why? Because earlier the threat seemed not so significant due to the small number of infected.
                Quote: Svarog
                Military virologists were supposed to be in China in November, and in December provide data to the government on the nature of the virus
                No, they shouldn't. First, everyone followed WHO recommendations. Secondly, nobody invited our military to China.
                Quote: Svarog
                after which, in January, the borders should have been closed, and all visitors had to be quarantined for two weeks.
                Tell the United States and the European countries, as well as the countries of the Middle East.
            2. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 3 June 2020 16: 05 New
              +5
              Quote: really
              Check the memory, watch TV, maybe remember laughing

              refresh my memory too - NOTHING !!! I do not remember bully
              1. really
                really 3 June 2020 17: 40 New
                -8
                It’s easier to live, news every day, and most importantly, not ashamed of yesterday wassat
          2. WILL
            WILL 3 June 2020 15: 51 New
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            Just look at the statistics of sales of building materials, yes Maybe not cottages, but suburban construction has grown by 300%.
            People themselves began to settle in, having free time, something that they themselves cannot do, they invite specialists.
            After the contracts of Surgutneftegaz ... these are of course other figures, but ... Mine (family) do not need and I feed nine specialists and their Families.
            1. New
              New Year day 3 June 2020 18: 51 New
              +4
              Quote: ANIMAL
              but suburban construction grew by 300%.

              what year are you mentioning? Today I was in a construction supermarket: 200-40 people go to a huge hall (20x30). Maybe I arrived at the wrong time?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 June 2020 12: 39 New
                +5
                Quote: Silvestr

                what year are you mentioning? Today I was in a construction supermarket: 200-40 people go to a huge hall (20x30). Maybe I arrived at the wrong time?

                New Riga and Gorki - sales went up due to a pandemic. Hit - Greats.
                1. New
                  New Year day 4 June 2020 14: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  New Riga and Gorki - sales went up due to a pandemic.

                  and who buys there? New Riga is Ruble in the present. It’s fashionable to live there now ... for some
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 4 June 2020 14: 49 New
                    +6
                    Gorki is Rubleva, HP is a little different)) Just not there - by the 12th year, by the XNUMXth, more and more people from the highway began to move to Sadovoye, because time is money, and traffic jams are a waste of time.
                    Because of the pandemic, begin to appreciate nature again)).
            2. for
              for 3 June 2020 20: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: ANIMAL
              I feed nine specialists and their Families.

              From a spoon.
              Maybe they feed you and your family.
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 10: 50 New
              -1
              Quote: ANIMAL
              but suburban construction grew by 300%.

              Yes Yes. Personally, I pump water to summer residents, two-thirds of the houses are abandoned, half do not pay for water.
            4. Siberia
              Siberia 5 June 2020 15: 34 New
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              Quote: ANIMAL
              Just look at the statistics of sales of building materials, yes Maybe not cottages, but suburban construction has grown by 300%.
              .

              No need to compare life and the possibility of earning (part-time ...) in the capital and its environs with the rest of the country's settlements. And there it’s a completely different life, completely different conditions, different money and completely different opportunities ... And to put it simply, for the most part it’s complete * oops. Yes, you can always say go to the "non-rubber" and make your way. But imagine what our country will be like if the majority of the population lives in Moscow and its environs ...
          3. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 3 June 2020 19: 04 New
            +1
            They are being built, even as they are being built. Summer residents from St. Petersburg and Moscow - only on the road. My sales of lumber increased by 30 percent compared to last year.
          4. ruivit1988
            ruivit1988 4 June 2020 05: 21 New
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            That is not long ago a handout with his wife received. Ten thousand were given to us))) So the great and the terrible give handouts, though in order to get them you have to dodge it in the first place.
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 3 June 2020 15: 50 New
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          Quote: ANIMAL
          retrained to Melkoye (Dachas, Country cottages) demand increased by 300%, thanks to self-isolation

          I am glad that you are in a sought after area. Yes, but not everyone is so lucky, and it turns out sadly: there is experience, qualifications, skills, but monetizing all this is impossible. And at the age of 45, it’s very difficult to take and leave for a completely different industry: it’s difficult to retrain, and a 45-year-old employee without the necessary experience will hardly be interesting for a potential employer.
          1. WILL
            WILL 3 June 2020 16: 05 New
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            Quote: Kalmar

            I am glad that you are in a sought after area. Yes, but not everyone is so lucky, and it turns out sadly: there is experience, qualifications, skills, but monetizing all this is impossible. And at the age of 45, it’s very difficult to take and leave for a completely different industry: it’s difficult to retrain, and a 45-year-old employee without the necessary experience will hardly be interesting for a potential employer.

            I really hope that you will succeed! hi The main thing is not to despair! Good luck and bright thoughts!
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 3 June 2020 16: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: ANIMAL
              I really hope that you will succeed!

              Thank you, but I'm not talking to myself. I have so far, pah-pah-pah, everything is smooth))
            2. depressant
              depressant 3 June 2020 16: 57 New
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              Your wish to colleague Kalmar, of course, is good, good. But, it seems, WINGS, only your work is in demand. A narrow layer of wealthy citizens rushed to equip a long-term capital stay in place of their own frail dachas, which had not previously been given the importance of a fortress, or to build a fortress on long-bought but empty plots. Sure - to escape from the second wave of coronavirus, its subsequent counterparts, who - who now doubts! - will, as well as from the annoying digital attention of the police. Private construction of this kind, which is small in volume and quickly saturated, is all that the country can currently offer the population as new jobs. Something is not visible under construction plants and factories. Next to my Khrushchevka, some SU a week ago with a roar, with the creak of mechanisms and the roar of trucks, started a continuation of a long-abandoned construction site. But after three days, the SU disappeared. I decided that due to the continuation of the regime of self-isolation. And when I threw away the garbage (containers near the construction site), I found out that there were no traces left from the construction site, the barely raised walls were broken, the bricks were taken out. Soon the remains of the foundation will be overgrown with weeds.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 3 June 2020 16: 05 New
            -37
            you are not quite right. if you have learned at least one language before 45 and did not spare the time to get new knowledge that is more universal, which is now very welcome, you will find work pretty quickly. Of course it’s very important how you look after yourself because you can easily see two 45 year old men, one of whom weighs 150 kg and looks 60 and the other does not pull 40, you will understand that this is also important. socially active rather than beer in the evenings you drink, which expands your social circle and much more. all this and much more in the aggregate, your chances of changing your life increase dramatically. now everything is important in our life. you just need to track all the requirements and try to comply with them.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 3 June 2020 18: 13 New
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              You’re carrying a blizzard .. Even if you look like Apollo on the day of your 18th birthday - you’ll get to hell through the personnel departments .. It says in the manuals that the applicant is not older than 40. And that’s all. Pianos don’t play any of your virtues .. Checked repeatedly ..
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 3 June 2020 18: 41 New
                -13
                Well, of course. I have no people around. most of my acquaintances are officers who start a new life after 45. and somehow everyone lives and lives well. and families get jobs too. I’ll repeat the matter not in one appearance but in the aggregate of all factors. if you’re an eternally sweaty donut your chances of a normal job are drastically reduced and that’s a fact. The interview itself begins with your appearance. and then everything else. I'm talking about good work and not a janitor job. the one where you can be realized.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 3 June 2020 18: 46 New
                  +9
                  Again. Do not tell tales. You will not get to the interview if you do not pass by age in the questionnaire. You will be eliminated at the stage of reading thereof. I say - it has been checked repeatedly, including - and from within the personnel departments. In the vast majority of cases - the Indian woman stupidly pulls a training manual from an Internet, and there - 40 maximum. That's it.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 3 June 2020 19: 11 New
                    -10
                    it’s checked by me as well) the personnel department the concept is old and even say so archaic. HR system works on different concepts and completely different criteria. age 45 is not a dead end. training manuals about which you say this is nonsense. A 40 year old specialist is much more valuable than a 20 year old. simply due to the fact that his knowledge is much more extensive and more opportunities. it all depends on the specifics of the work you want to get. but I personally do not know those who refuse to take a good specialist in 40 years. Unless of course he came by courier. when I quit, I also did not know what I would do. looked where opportunities are greater and growth is better and began to move in that direction. went to study began to read and learn. presentation webinars lectures watched. took a loan and began to study in a new direction and everything paid off. therefore, no one will ever convince me that this is impossible. just for the reason that I went through everything myself. step by step.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 3 June 2020 19: 07 New
                +1
                I'd rather take on my work an old skilled beaten wolf, and not a young one who cannot really work. Experience is everything.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 3 June 2020 19: 22 New
                  +2
                  You can take it if the applicant gets to you .. Through the personnel department. - a feeling that none of you really looked for work.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 3 June 2020 19: 37 New
                    -4
                    I was not in the personnel department that's for sure. only in the HR service of the company. as far as you get it is ridiculous. Post your resume in open areas like HH is the first thing to do if you are looking for a job. all recruiters track them in all eyes and find suitable applicants and contact them. there are also companies that are engaged in the selection of personnel and placing their data with them also does not bother you. they will draw up your resume there as correctly as possible and indicate what needs to be pulled up. your opportunities to increase. The advertisements on fences and free newspapers are long gone.
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 3 June 2020 21: 21 New
                      +2
                      Well, as much as you can .. Your resumes are tracked by human resources departments. Step over them - no way. Only if by acquaintance or lucky. Otherwise - after 40, you almost automatically drop out, unless of course a very large specialist or the owner of a specialty office that is extremely necessary at this time. But such - I assure you, not the entire population of the country ..
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 3 June 2020 21: 39 New
                        -2
                        and I’m answering you which time, either in my organization or in dozens of others that I know there are no such restrictions, but quite the opposite. appearing to a young employee is much more difficult than a 40-year-old .. just the amount of knowledge that is permissible at a certain level, together with experience, cannot be less than 32 years old for a person. Plus, the totality of all research in the field of personnel management suggests that certain social skills exist only people with experience. stresses. non-stop operation mode. I don’t know who you work and what you do, but you probably work a little in the old way. modern staff approaches are much more flexible
        3. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
          ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 3 June 2020 17: 53 New
          +3
          I fully support you. In all your comments. After the army, I started with the backyard, it’s bad. Now we have our own team for work, and we really have a lot of work.
        4. Alf
          Alf 3 June 2020 19: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: ANIMAL
          It's hard for everyone now

          Is everyone?
        5. uncle Vlad
          uncle Vlad 6 July 2020 13: 03 New
          0
          it’s good to be an enthusiast. 10 km from MKAD
      2. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 3 June 2020 15: 54 New
        -6
        Quote: Svarog
        but after 45 I don’t even know

        I’m 50 and I managed to find a year ago, though every 2 years I have to be re-elected, but for this I have to work a lot))
        1. RESEARCHER
          RESEARCHER 3 June 2020 16: 08 New
          +4
          And I, too, am no longer a boy. 66 will hit soon. While working without thinking about retirement.
          Last week, he even set his personal best in bike sprinting.
          It is very nice when you overtake a person 2 to 3 times younger than yourself. And any employer still looks at you as an unpromising old man.
          Work for 12 hours is not necessary. Although a good bike costs from a million rubles, and you need, as a rule, more than one is great.
          I wish everyone good health.
          1. RESEARCHER
            RESEARCHER 3 June 2020 17: 15 New
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            Of course, you have to work, I don’t argue, but what about when the system turns your work into Sisyphus labor.
            My system of activity was inflicted by the system several blows below the belt, from which it is still not possible to recover.
            1) USE - this is what wean a person to think in general and especially think critically.
            2) The Bologna system - led to the breakdown of established traditions in higher education and the gradual death of scientific schools.
            3) New educational standards. It seems that they are composed by representatives of the Ministry of Education, seized upon the command of science and universities.
            4) Turning education into a service. This generally led to a lack of moral-volitional qualities among students.
            5) Commercialization of education. People were not in equal conditions. And those who have to study are forced to work instead of studying in order to extend the opportunity to be registered as a student.
            6) Everyone was lazy in education from bankers like German Gref to dummies like Olga Buzova.
            7) Reduction until the complete elimination of financing the material base of higher education. For a student, a simple oscilloscope looks like a curiosity.
            8) The introduction of distance education. This is generally a time bomb.
            9) Commercial universities brought both the outflow of promising students from the necessary professions and an overabundance of specialists without a scientific worldview (lawyers, political scientists, economists, etc.)
            10) ..... I can continue, but the country will not recover soon from this.
          2. New
            New Year day 3 June 2020 18: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: RESEARCHER
            It is very nice when you overtake a person 2 to 3 times younger than yourself. And any employer still looks at you as an unpromising old man.

            that's for sure. But the young are stepping on the heels, it is necessary to develop
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 3 June 2020 15: 55 New
        -18
        Well, here's a real life example for you. the officer. there weren’t enough stars from the sky. at 45 quit. read the announcement saw a search for sales agents. called. passed an interview. two years of good work and now began to lead other agents. His salary is currently 150+. the truth had to study these two years at night and work 12 hours a day. This year, of course, a little less in terms of income, but this is understandable. talked to him the day before yesterday.
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 3 June 2020 19: 01 New
          -5
          Quote: carstorm 11
          His salary is currently 150+. really had to study at night for two years and work 12 hours a day

          judging by the minuses, oh how patriots do not like this phrase is yours, think fake or idle talk, one word - envy
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 3 June 2020 19: 57 New
            -4
            Yes, I somehow do not care. do not believe this is their business. although, logically, you just need to take an example and try to change your life in the same way. I personally do not put minuses as well as pluses at all. evaluating people for their beliefs is not mine. life will judge everything.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 3 June 2020 15: 34 New
      22
      Quote: ANIMAL
      It turns out!

      Horseradish stands, and his head sways. I closed the bourgeois workshop, and sent them all.
      1. WILL
        WILL 3 June 2020 15: 41 New
        -23
        Quote: mordvin xnumx

        Horseradish stands, and his head sways. I closed the bourgeois workshop, and sent them all.

        It is always easier to blame everything on someone else (bourgeois), do you have your own head? Or Families - for which you need to bring money? Think and Work, not write comments. I haven’t been on the site for two months - I worked and earned money!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 3 June 2020 15: 47 New
          16
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Think and Work, not write comments.

          And I work
          Quote: ANIMAL
          I haven’t been on the site for two months - I worked and earned money!

          What did the hard worker do, one may ask?
          1. WILL
            WILL 3 June 2020 15: 56 New
            -20
            Quote: mordvin xnumx

            What did the hard worker do, one may ask?

            I handed over five objects of low-rise construction, in varying degrees of readiness. He practically didn’t work with his hands, he mainly carried materials and transferred people from objects.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 3 June 2020 16: 09 New
              11
              Quote: ANIMAL
              Quote: mordvin xnumx

              What did the hard worker do, one may ask?

              I handed over five objects of low-rise construction, in varying degrees of readiness. He practically didn’t work with his hands, he mainly carried materials and transferred people from objects.

              Well, that is, you are so impudently declaring that you threw all new quarantined laws through one place ?! what and urge law-abiding citizens to violate the laws of the Russian Federation ?!
              1. WILL
                WILL 3 June 2020 17: 44 New
                -13
                [quote = Crown without virus]
                I handed over five objects of low-rise construction, in varying degrees of readiness. He practically didn’t work with his hands, he mainly carried materials and transferred people from objects. [/ Quote]
                Well, that is, you are so impudently declaring that you threw all new quarantined laws through one place ?! what and urge law-abiding citizens to violate the laws of the Russian Federation?! [/ quote]
                Take a close look at the legislation, the construction practically did not stop, it stopped only where related industries were bugs. I - Comply with the Laws! What I wish for you, otherwise - Anarchy ... plus - I will Defend the Law, to the last breath, there are skills and the Commander is next to Me.
                Enough for you - to the navalnites to mess up all the branches, the Russians do not Cry and Do not Surrender! They work, if necessary, they protect the homeland, they live and bring up children!
                All Russians (all Nations) - Health and Optimism!
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 3 June 2020 18: 35 New
                  -2
                  [quote = ANIMALS] [quote = Crown without a virus]
                  I handed over five objects of low-rise construction, in varying degrees of readiness. He practically didn’t work with his hands, he mainly carried materials and transferred people from objects. [/ Quote]
                  Well, that is, you are so impudently declaring that you threw all new quarantined laws through one place ?! what and urge law-abiding citizens to violate the laws of the Russian Federation?! [/ quote]
                  Take a close look at the legislation, the construction practically did not stop, it stopped only where related industries were bugs. I - Comply with the Laws! What I wish for you, otherwise - Anarchy ... plus - I will Defend the Law, to the last breath, there are skills and the Commander is next to Me.
                  Enough for you - to the navalnites to mess up all the branches, the Russians do not Cry and Do not Surrender! They work, if necessary, they protect the homeland, they live and bring up children!
                  All Russians (all Nations) - Health and Optimism! [/ Quote]
                  What does it mean - did NOT stop ??? !!! Are you sure you live in Russia ???
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 3 June 2020 23: 24 New
                    +6
                    I also have familiar builders who have not worked for only one week. The construction industry actually worked for the most part in April-May. On the remote was part of the office workers of construction organizations. Some of them could well have performed their functions on a remote site even after the end of restrictive measures.
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 4 June 2020 11: 49 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Sergej1972
                      I also have familiar builders who have not worked for only one week. The construction industry actually worked for the most part in April-May. On the remote was part of the office workers of construction organizations. Some of them could well have performed their functions on a remote site even after the end of restrictive measures.

                      If the construction industry WORKED in March-April-early May, then it worked underground !!! CAM forbade her to work !!! hi
                      1. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 4 June 2020 12: 11 New
                        +5
                        Read official acts of the government and regional authorities. In our area, builders worked quite legally. As far as I know, there were restrictions for some time in Moscow. The Rospotrebnadzor management initially said that the construction sector, where workers work in the air and at a distance from each other, is safer in terms of coronavirus infection. Plus, initially there was a list of organizations that do not stop working. Among them was a number of construction organizations.
                      2. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 4 June 2020 12: 35 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Read official government acts ...

                        from March 28 to May 11 EVEN Sobyanin didn’t lay the tile of his own Zhinka in Moscow - for ITSELF !!! forbade tongue laughing

                        Well, about whining and all that ... from March 28 to June 14, our company has definitely been banned from working ... and then we'll see ...

                        And you know, I’m working officially and in part-time work ... until June 14, I’ll smear the last one ... on bread, and if they forbid me to continue working, we’ll "look" ... this is the state of ... wink
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 4 June 2020 12: 49 New
                  +4
                  Construction in most regions did not stop.
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 4 June 2020 12: 51 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The construction did not stop.

                    Then we definitely live in DIFFERENT Russia wassat
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 4 June 2020 12: 52 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Crown without virus
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The construction did not stop.

                      Then we definitely live in DIFFERENT Russia wassat

                      I'm talking about most regions
                    2. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 4 June 2020 12: 54 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Quote: Crown without virus
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The construction did not stop.

                      Then we definitely live in DIFFERENT Russia wassat

                      I'm talking about most regions

                      And I - about DECISION MOST !!! about non-working days !!! There it was written in black and white that CONSTRUCTION MUST STOP !!! stop and if our people united on the Decree - this is a violation of the Law - and there’s nothing to boast about
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 4 June 2020 13: 09 New
                      +5
                      No, not at all - SAM gave power to self-isolation measures to regional authorities.
                    4. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 4 June 2020 15: 29 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      No, not at all - SAM gave power to self-isolation measures to regional authorities.

                      gave AFTER May 11 tongue and until May 11 the whole country had to fulfill what he would say wassat
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 4 June 2020 15: 32 New
                +2
                This is a regional issue, are you up to date?
              3. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 4 June 2020 15: 36 New
                -3
                Quote: Sergej1972
                This is a regional issue, are you up to date?

                No knowledge of laws does not exempt from responsibility (c) knowledge is power angry
                from March 28 to May 11 on ALL !!! Russia was declared NOT working days for 3/4 of the working population, and construction did NOT include a list of those who were ALLOWED to work !!! good
            2. uncle Vlad
              uncle Vlad 6 July 2020 13: 08 New
              -1
              He is at the Moscow Ring Road. Here and an enthusiast. I worked on this for 2 months -15 tons received.
            3. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 6 July 2020 13: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Uncle Vlad
              He is at the Moscow Ring Road. Here and an enthusiast. I worked on this for 2 months -15 tons received.

              I am beyond the Moscow Ring Road - 30 km))) and we have a "northern fur animal" about work .... am laughing
    3. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Russians do not Cry or Surrender!

      you are a typical "Russian", but they look like a "hatskraynik". And how many millions are now below the poverty line and with children? - They are not Russian? Putin gave 10 thousand rubles each to families where children under the age of 16, and to whom more, did not give money. After 16 years, the children do not want to eat? Russia is the only country in the world that raised taxes during the coronavirus period and spat on its people.
      Here ItalyFor example, it allocated 25 billion euros to support the unemployed in all categories. Plus, it increased urgent loans to small and medium-sized businesses, and lowered rates. Companies that have lost more than 25% of their profits will receive compensation. In general, about 350 billion euros have been allocated to all areas of the state. The country's GDP is 1,9 trillion. Euro.
      Germany financially reimbursed social security contributions to companies due to shorter working hours. Assistance to business - 610 billion euros in the form of state guarantees for loans.
      Poland assumes payment obligations of up to 40% of the salaries of those who are threatened with dismissal. Small businesses and contractors can rely on 80% of salaries.
      And we have self-isolation, self-sufficiency, self-liquidation. It is time for bankruptcy and the situation will worsen.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 June 2020 12: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr

        you are a typical "Russian", but they look like a "hatskraynik". And how many millions are now below the poverty line and with children? - They are not Russian? Putin gave 10 thousand rubles each to families where children under the age of 16, and to whom more, did not give money. After 16 years, the children do not want to eat? Russia is the only country in the world that raised taxes during the coronavirus period and spat on its people.
        Here ItalyFor example, it allocated 25 billion euros to support the unemployed in all categories. Plus, it increased urgent loans to small and medium-sized businesses, and lowered rates. Companies that have lost more than 25% of their profits will receive compensation. In general, about 350 billion euros have been allocated to all areas of the state. The country's GDP is 1,9 trillion. Euro.
        Germany financially reimbursed social security contributions to companies due to shorter working hours. Assistance to business - 610 billion euros in the form of state guarantees for loans.
        Poland assumes payment obligations of up to 40% of the salaries of those who are threatened with dismissal. Small businesses and contractors can rely on 80% of salaries.
        And we have self-isolation, self-sufficiency, self-liquidation. It is time for bankruptcy and the situation will worsen.

        So Russia's chip is in great opportunities to earn money - if you are looking for social networks, that is, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, the Emirates, Israel, Western Europe + Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia, the USA and Canada.
      2. Motorist
        Motorist 4 June 2020 22: 14 New
        +1
        Germany ... Assistance to business - 610 billion euros in the form of state guarantees for loans

        Sylvester, you retype it without looking: not 610, but 550 billion euros. Loan! That is, not without compensation. I will add: “First of all, this concerns the most affected areas - air transport, tourism and the food market” (c. Www.newsru.com). But what about the others smacking around?
  2. Sandor Clegane
    Sandor Clegane 3 June 2020 20: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Crown without virus
    that they threw all new quarantined laws through one place ?!

    Tell us where we have QUARANTINE ??? and give an example of new laws that St. John's wort threw? .... no, then do not dirty the topic
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 3 June 2020 20: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: Sandor Clegane
      Quote: Crown without virus
      that they threw all new quarantined laws through one place ?!

      Tell us where we have QUARANTINE ??? and give an example of new laws that St. John's wort threw? .... no, then do not dirty the topic

      From March 28 to May 11, 2020 OFFICIALLY Putin ordered NOT to work in almost all sectors ... It was a raaaz ... Two - until June 1 in almost all regions it was extended ... so - study the materiel hi
      1. water
        water 5 June 2020 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Crown without virus
        From March 28 to May 11, 2020 OFFICIALLY Putin ordered NOT to work in almost all sectors ... It was a raaaz ... Two - until June 1 in almost all regions it was extended ... so - study the materiel
        So quarantine, or just not working?
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 5 June 2020 13: 34 New
          -2
          Quote: watermark
          Quote: Crown without virus
          From March 28 to May 11, 2020 OFFICIALLY Putin ordered NOT to work in almost all sectors ... It was a raaaz ... Two - until June 1 in almost all regions it was extended ... so - study the materiel
          So quarantine, or just not working?

          From a legal point of view - utter chaos am but in fact - we were "loved" by our "beloved state-in" "in all the cracks" bully
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 June 2020 18: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: ANIMAL
    I handed over five objects of low-rise construction, in varying degrees of readiness. I practically didn’t work with my hands,

    Everything is clear with you, bureaucrat.
    1. WILL
      WILL 3 June 2020 20: 10 New
      -7
      Quote: mordvin xnumx

      Everything is clear with you, bureaucrat.

      I am a Hunky, promoted, My Commander is also not a Bureaucrat, he just thinks faster. All in one card ... what is now, what is at war. Yes, We stick with each other around each other ... and observe subordination, although we lost the guys in peacetime.
      MP is not just a kind of troops, it is Culture!
      I don’t give a damn about how many minuses they put me, I want to convey one thing to all - Do not give up. The motto of the MP is Where We Are There VICTORY ... even in civilian life. Once again - Well-being to all !!!!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 June 2020 12: 57 New
        -3
        Quote: ANIMAL
        MP is not just a kind of troops, it is Culture!

        MP - is it material help, or what?
    2. uncle Vlad
      uncle Vlad 6 July 2020 13: 09 New
      0
      I threw the usual, Moscow
  • Romey
    Romey 3 June 2020 15: 51 New
    16
    In short, stop teaching, treating and so on and go to business. And here you scolded Dmitry Anatolyich, villains. Here, a real person, heeded the advice and persistent recommendations and now all of such a successful one. Was he elected to the deputies or married the daughter of the deputy mayor? Or with the prosecutor brought up shura mura? Well, congratulations! Urrrha, comrades!
    1. WILL
      WILL 3 June 2020 16: 00 New
      -19
      Quote: romey
      In short, stop teaching, treating and so on and go to business. And here you scolded Dmitry Anatolyich, villains. Here, a real person, heeded the advice and persistent recommendations and now all of such a successful one. Was he elected to the deputies or married the daughter of the deputy mayor? Or with the prosecutor brought up shura mura? Well, congratulations! Urrrha, comrades!

      Teachers and Doctors - lost their jobs? Are you normal, or have you decided to write a beautiful comment?
      Prosecutors, Mayors - are there any other thoughts?
      Sufferer - go to the Church, passers-by at least throw trifles, apparently not capable of more.
      1. Romey
        Romey 3 June 2020 16: 53 New
        +7
        Thank you, colleague! I have such a job, to be liberals, an agent of the State Department and SBU. But, by the way, the Church is not an option either. Our patriarch, so fiercely believes in our Lord Jesus Christ, that even on Easter he closed churches ...
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 3 June 2020 17: 15 New
        14
        Teachers and Doctors - lost their jobs?

        Teachers and doctors did not lose their job ... They have been fleeing from it ... for already a year. Our city school has a 35% staff shortage. The penultimate therapist disappeared from the polyclinics. One left. And two pediatricians. And there are more than a thousand children on the site. And no one comes to these places. Will not come. Do you speak unemployment? They are required in schools, hospitals, polyclinics, kindergartens, factories, shops ... But they will not come. Because on such a salary you can only survive, and not live. And with the family in general utopia. So there is no unemployment, there is work. But it is simply humiliatingly paid, and no matter how many diplomas you have in your pocket.
      3. New
        New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 13 New
        +8
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Teachers and Doctors - lost their jobs?

        you are mistaken - this is the WORK lost doctors. Work sea, work - no one. One must pay a salary by which one can increase, develop oneself, raise a family. Are there any salaries? - Yes, but in the capital and at the chief doctors of Russia. That's just the chief doctors do not treat, treats the hard worker.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 June 2020 13: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Teachers and Doctors - lost their jobs?

          you are mistaken - this is the WORK lost doctors. Work sea, work - no one. One must pay a salary by which one can increase, develop oneself, raise a family. Are there any salaries? - Yes, but in the capital and at the chief doctors of Russia. That's just the chief doctors do not treat, treats the hard worker.

          Thanks to a good surgeon is not extortion, but from the heart and after the fact, an average of 30 thousand. Let's say the surgeon does 20 operations a month at least. Let's say 5 people paid him. Already 150 thousand to z / p.
          1. New
            New Year day 4 June 2020 14: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Gratitude to a good surgeon is not extortion, but from the heart and after the fact

            it you in SK tell. For me, give a normal salary and get rid of the offerings. To be indebted to someone is humiliating
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 June 2020 14: 53 New
              +2
              The Investigative Committee can report on the extortion of bribes, and not on the left envelope with a postcard issued by the client. And what do you owe him?
              And a good salary - the doctor should receive this, I agree. Relevant German, Israeli. And the five-year survival rate of cancer patients, for example, must be consistent with German and Israeli.
              1. New
                New Year day 4 June 2020 17: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                The Investigative Committee can report on the extortion of bribes

                have you been there I have been.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 4 June 2020 17: 41 New
                  +4
                  For gratitude? Yes, not a shit ...
    2. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: romey
      In short, stop teaching, treating and so on and go to business.

      Medvedev's doctors listened and went home. But the trouble - the epidemic has come and there are no doctors! Students were thrown into the heat, doctors began to lure money from each other. So they are still missing request
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Romey
      Romey 3 June 2020 16: 58 New
      +3
      Again, the question is about the deputy, the daughter of the mayor and the prosecutor ...
    2. The comment was deleted.
  • Sandor Clegane
    Sandor Clegane 3 June 2020 19: 02 New
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    I closed the bourgeois workshop, and sent them all.

    nonsense, I could not send, I can prove)), are you now on the stock exchange? how much pay?
  • antivirus
    antivirus 3 June 2020 16: 00 New
    +5
    degradation of power is alarming and more important. How to update it?
    1. depressant
      depressant 3 June 2020 17: 05 New
      +8
      While you, a colleague, are thinking about how to renew power, it, remaining the same, will renew you with a respirator and a digital collar.
    2. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: antivirus
      How to update it?

      do not update, but for the present- reset. all.
      This power is not subject to upgrade due to a complete loss of trust and self-destruction. If subordinates sabotage Putin's decrees, who should be updated?
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 3 June 2020 20: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: antivirus
        How to update it?

        do not update, but for the present- reset. all.
        This power is not subject to upgrade due to a complete loss of trust and self-destruction. If subordinates sabotage Putin's decrees, who should be updated?

        yes, by the way, I did NOT expect that they would insolently throw Putin with payments to doctors - that he was already THREE !!! times the whole world complained that his decree is not enforced bully And something is not visible a bunch, a bunch of criminal cases - in my understanding, I did not comply with the Decree - in court and all cases !!! wassat
        1. New
          New Year day 3 June 2020 21: 52 New
          +6
          Quote: Crown without virus
          I did not expect that Putin would be impudently thrown with payments to doctors - that he was already THREE !!! times the whole world complained that his decree is not enforced

          the system he created lives by its own laws and it is not controlled by Putin. It will begin to crush them: they will cease to work at all — the collapse of state administration. The king himself, the boyars themselves. So it was at sunset in the USSR.
  • New
    New Year day 3 June 2020 18: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: ANIMAL
    Do not lose heart and do not give up!

    Not bad! With stocks in your wallet and in bins. Not a personal claim to you. hi
    The future is possible when there are resources. No resources, no future. If there is no recharge in the public sector or pension, it’s a trumpet. Officially - about 8 million unemployed, unofficially, no one knows.
    You need to search, but to search you need money, age, health. Today, it is very expensive.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 June 2020 13: 11 New
      +2
      This is happening all over the world.
  • Civil
    Civil 3 June 2020 18: 59 New
    +2
    How can you write this ?! The country is in danger, a ring of enemies around the state. At such a moment, the state owes nothing to the population. No bread - eat cheesecakes.
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 3 June 2020 20: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Civil
      How can you write this ?! The country is in danger, a ring of enemies around the state. At such a moment, the state owes nothing to the population. No bread - eat cheesecakes.

      Well, if the state owes nothing to the population - then why on earth should the population of something owe such a state? laughing
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 3 June 2020 23: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Crown without virus
        Well, if the state owes nothing to the population - then why on earth should the population of something owe such a state?

        Putin himself once said: do it yourself. That’s it’s themselves, and they went somewhere.
    2. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 21: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      How can you write this ?! The country is in danger, a ring of enemies around the state. At such a moment, the state owes nothing to the population.

  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 June 2020 15: 17 New
    +8
    Russia's employment situation has changed ...
    in the USSR, popular wisdom said: "work is not a wolf, it will not run away into the forest." ...
    and also: when asked what you are doing in life, often the answer was this - I WANT to work ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 June 2020 15: 26 New
      25
      Quote: Pvi1206
      in the USSR, popular wisdom said: "work is not a wolf, it will not run away into the forest." ...

      Yes, in the USSR, people were not afraid of losing their jobs because they were protected by the state .. and despite the fact that the attitude to work was much simpler, the USSR managed to show growth in almost all directions .. and now that people are holding onto work, Russia degrades in all directions .. paradox ..
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 3 June 2020 16: 00 New
        13
        Vladimir. Yes. this is a paradox. And it will continue until, when we meet with a friend, we are interested in work, not a salary. In other words, if you have work, then you are normal.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 June 2020 13: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Svarog

        Yes, in the USSR, people were not afraid of losing their jobs because they were protected by the state .. and despite the fact that the attitude to work was much simpler, the USSR managed to show growth in almost all directions .. and now that people are holding onto work, Russia degrades in all directions .. paradox ..

        And from this growth the couple fell apart.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 June 2020 15: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Pvi1206
      "work is not a wolf, it won’t run away into the forest." ...

      You interpret it incorrectly - the point is that the Work will have to be done, it won’t run away into the forest ....
      1. Pvi1206
        Pvi1206 3 June 2020 15: 31 New
        +6
        folk wisdom is multifaceted ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 3 June 2020 15: 41 New
          +5
          Namesake hi That's why she and wisdom ....
  • Crowe
    Crowe 3 June 2020 15: 54 New
    26
    Where to go to work?

    So the question is not in the provinces ... Maybe in big cities it’s so, but we have vacancies at the labor exchange - or you’re a super-duper specialist with experience of eleven years (which a priori cannot be with young people), or you need a janitor, dishwasher or a watchman whose salaries barely reach the minimum wage ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 3 June 2020 17: 07 New
      +7
      Add: with a limited number of jobs janitor, dishwasher and watchman.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 June 2020 16: 05 New
    12
    Oh, these Moscow dreamers. For them, the old professions are already outdated. And you look at the ads, you also need machine workers, welders and others. The truth is mostly on a shift. It will take time to transfer the country to the digital economy. And the distance from robots to AI, as to Mars.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 3 June 2020 16: 07 New
    14
    But we now have a position - Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. How much can you mock people? God forbid to see the Russian rebellion - meaningless and merciless.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 3 June 2020 18: 18 New
      +8
      God forbid to see the Russian rebellion - meaningless and merciless.
      To whom it is senseless - and to whom it is full of the deepest meaning ... The stump of the top is perplexed in bewilderment - why is the middle class with a salary of 17 tyrov dissatisfied .. He is the middle class! That sounds proud!
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 3 June 2020 19: 59 New
        +1
        Well, it turns out with my salary I'm already an oligarch. All miracles and miracles.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 3 June 2020 16: 07 New
    +6
    I wonder how things are in the province with unemployment ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 3 June 2020 18: 18 New
      +9
      Quote: parusnik
      I wonder how things are in the province with unemployment ...

      --------------------
      We have completely liquidated, or rather put up for auction, a good private plant, where they paid a very good salary (50-65 thousand) to 100 people. This gave rise to a significant reduction in salaries at other enterprises in the city, by 20 percent. Because the alternative was gone.
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 3 June 2020 20: 05 New
        +2
        It will be worse.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 June 2020 13: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      I wonder how things are in the province with unemployment ...

      Crap business.
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 3 June 2020 16: 11 New
    +4
    To Gazprom hi

    https://www.gazpromvacancy.ru/vacancies/
    1. depressant
      depressant 3 June 2020 18: 23 New
      +7
      Take careful advice with Gazprom, colleague)))
      Gazprom is on the line in terms of privatization for the next two years. I also do not advise Rosneft - for the same reason. Judging by Gazprom’s loans through Eurobonds at $ 2 billion, the planned one - at $ 5 billion at 3,25% and the so-called perpetual loan from the Russian government for 100 billion rubles that Gazprom just can’t pay off last year’s debts - unprofitable company! Because of this, privatized Gazprom will lay off a significant portion of its employees. So I don’t advise anyone to knock on the personnel department of this company. Moreover, foreigners will probably privatize it, because it was they who gave the loan in dollars. Privatize and optimize.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 June 2020 16: 35 New
    12
    Less than a year ago, unemployment data could not seriously scare anyone

    What are you saying ... And even 35-40 years ago, the country lacked working hands ...
    Quote: parusnik
    I wonder how things are in the province with unemployment ...

    Fine. It grows as it should. Only near my house a week ago a bakery and a shop were closed.
    1. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 18 New
      +9
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And 35-40 years ago, the country lacked workers ...

      not so long ago, one storyteller promised to create 25 million new well-paid jobs. The tale did not come true
      1. alone
        alone 3 June 2020 20: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        not so long ago one storyteller promised

        A promise is good because you can forget it later.
  • Slavs
    Slavs 3 June 2020 17: 06 New
    +4
    Employers can be understood, as a rule, they lose much more than employees who are left without work
    What are you?
    Namely ?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 3 June 2020 17: 23 New
    +5
    Quote: bandabas
    But we now have a position - Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

    With a salary of over 600 thousand rubles, and a sea of ​​"buns" according to the "high post". lol hi
  • fa2998
    fa2998 3 June 2020 17: 36 New
    +9
    Quote: ANIMAL
    Russia ... a problem with labor

    As one movie hero in the role of Boyarsky said, "This country will be destroyed by corruption!"
    How can you understand that in Russia there are 1,6-2 million unemployed when several million “jobs” from abroad are imported into the country. What can the citizens of Russia not at least partially occupy these jobs? With a fair salary. bring an Asian, pay 2-4 times less, and assign a difference in salary. And he will remain all the "inspectors" and the police. hi
    1. Altona
      Altona 3 June 2020 18: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: fa2998
      How can one understand that in Russia there are 1,6-2 million unemployed when several million “jobs” are imported from abroad. What can Russian citizens not even take in part to take these jobs? With a fair salary. bring an Asian, pay 2-4 times less, and assign the difference in salary.

      -------------------------
      This is also done with the aim of eroding the indigenous population and lowering the bar of their demands on their rights. An old technique of power bureaucracy for the destruction of feedbacks with society and the indigenous population.
    2. depressant
      depressant 3 June 2020 18: 29 New
      +6
      Russia has not ratified the 2006 UN Convention on Corruption. So I think, is this the reason for the amendment on the priority of Russian laws over international ones.
    3. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: fa2998
      What citizens of Russia can not at least partially take these jobs?

      for the level of salary that they pay
      Quote: fa2998
      ... several million "works" from abroad ..

      and completely absent. Social guarantees citizens of Russia can not work. Here is a janitor, for example. Russian is decorated, Tajik works. According to the statement, the salary is about 25-30 thousand, and in the hands of Tajiks-12-15 thousand. "Where is the margin?" - said one state figure of our time. This situation suits all officials - those who apply for work, who give licenses and further down the ladder.
      We already have guest workers!
      1. Alf
        Alf 3 June 2020 20: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        We already have guest workers!

        1. New
          New Year day 3 June 2020 21: 56 New
          +5
          Those who do not want to feed their doctors will feed strangers .. if they survive

          laughing
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 3 June 2020 17: 49 New
    +9
    Like a business plan. Buy 6 acres of the shelf of the Arctic Ocean. Put together two rafts. On one put the tank from a decommissioned army (BO) fuel truck. On the second, with the help of a wooden frame, a punch and a garden hose, organize a platform for oil production. After filling the tank, drive the raft ashore, using a fire and improvised means to drive gasoline from oil, pour gasoline into cans. To sell cans with the label "Arctic gasoline" on the Internet at a price of 2000 rubles per liter.
    1. depressant
      depressant 3 June 2020 18: 32 New
      +6
      Appreciated the humor)))
      Unfortunately, pumping oil is an ongoing process. Your project needs refinement))) Success in the undertaking!
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 3 June 2020 19: 08 New
      +4
      The idea is good, there is nothing minus a bonfire, there is nothing to burn, trees grow south of 1000 km. lol lol lol
    3. New
      New Year day 3 June 2020 19: 25 New
      +7
      Quote: sergo1914
      Like a business plan. Buy 6 acres of the shelf of the Arctic Ocean. Put together two rafts.

      maybe 1 meter border for rent is easier? if more, better laughing Look at offshore how much dough surpassed!
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 3 June 2020 18: 08 New
    +5
    for employers the need to dismiss, if you can simply not pay.
    But this is not the only sign of it. that the 90s are back. And have long returned.
    1. alone
      alone 3 June 2020 20: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      But this is not the only sign of it. that the 90s are back. And have long returned.

      But doesn’t it seem to you that the 90s didn’t go anywhere .. They simply were covered by an advertising screen like a wooden house in Omsk
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 June 2020 19: 10 New
    +6
    You can understand employersthey tend to lose far more than employees left without work. This has already been verified by personal experience. However, for quite a few, the saving regime adopted during the pandemic and quarantine still helps.

    But I can’t understand the employers who stored diesel fuel in a rusty tank and it went to the Kara Sea in the amount of 21 tons (000 railway tanks) ... I can’t even imagine what difficulties await them, but the ecology in this area the kirdyk came ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 3 June 2020 23: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I can’t understand the employers who stored diesel fuel in a rusty tank and it went to the Kara Sea in the amount of 21 tons (000 railway tanks) ...

      so everything is like with a dock. They saved there, and the state pays instead of Sechin and these managers. Confiscate all property to cover losses and costs associated with the liquidation of the mess - could grow wiser.
      1. Alf
        Alf 4 June 2020 19: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Overlock
        Confiscate all property to cover losses and expenses associated with the liquidation of the mess

        Are you encroaching on friends?
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 3 June 2020 20: 01 New
    0
    “Where to go to work?” - by the President.
    For decades you have been promising everyone that you are fighting for power, but the circle ends and everything returns to the beginning for others, but personal privileges remain for yourself
  • Alf
    Alf 3 June 2020 20: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: ROSS 42
    But I can’t understand employers,

    And what are the misunderstandings? "Maybe a ride, it will not leak."
    I can’t even imagine what difficulties await them,

    And what kind of difficulties can they have? "The equipment is old, there is no money to replace or repair, because of the sanctions they do not sell new equipment, the state, give out an urgent loan, preferably irrevocable."
    but ecology in this area came "kirdyk" ..

    "These are problems of the Ministry of Natural Resources and the Ministry of Emergencies, and we have to do with ..."
  • KSVK
    KSVK 3 June 2020 23: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: fa2998
    How can one understand that in Russia there are 1,6-2 million unemployed when several million “jobs” are imported from abroad. What can Russian citizens not even take in part to take these jobs? With a fair salary. bring an Asian, pay 2-4 times less, and assign the difference in salary.

    -------------------------
    This is also done with the aim of eroding the indigenous population and lowering the bar of their demands on their rights. An old technique of power bureaucracy for the destruction of feedbacks with society and the indigenous population.

    The guest worker is profitable. To the employer and the state. He needs to pay less, and he pays more taxes. In addition, does not apply for retirement and does not participate in elections. Does not create demographic problems. Gold is not a worker. So the number of Uzbek-Tajik etc will only grow. Indigenous people will die out further. So win!
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  • ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 4 June 2020 05: 26 New
    +2
    In general, this pandemic is like a feast during the plague. The fact is that despite the quarantines, falling incomes of the population, including unemployment. Suddenly, the oligarchs began to grow wealthy, given the physical law of the communicating vessels ... It becomes clear where exactly, or rather, in whose pockets collapsed our incomes fall.
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 June 2020 19: 12 New
      0
      Quote: ruivit1988
      Suddenly, the oligarchs began to grow wealth, given the physical law of the communicating vessels ...

      It’s strange that they didn’t bother you, they threw me 3 minuses for such a post ...
      1. ruivit1988
        ruivit1988 8 June 2020 06: 45 New
        0
        And you do not pay attention to the minuses, say what you think.
        1. Alf
          Alf 8 June 2020 20: 58 New
          0
          Quote: ruivit1988
          And you do not pay attention to the minuses, say what you think.

          And so I do. Just such an interesting moment - often cons put on the basis of hostile personal relationships. Well, when my opinion does not coincide with someone else's, the minus in this situation is quite understandable and explainable. But when you write in a technical article, figuratively speaking, that twice two four and get a minus for it ... Obviously someone disliked.
  • Dedok
    Dedok 17 June 2020 11: 23 New
    0
    One-sided problem display
    Yes, in Moscow, probably everything is so, but in the regions?
    Or is nothing interesting besides the capital (nobody is there)?
    You talk about "+" as an example of the loss of time to the office and back: for the regions - this is not a problem at all - many people go on foot to work to save on transport
    Are you talking about successes in distance education? - and in the regions all families have a computer and a stable one! the Internet? Yes, the children bought Chinese smartphones and the tariffs have the Internet, but that's it! - you can’t do your homework from a smartphone, and when the connection is constantly interrupted - what should I do? - waaaasche not read what is asked! and is that education? and where are the state educational standards showing how "distance education" is implemented (forgotten) ??? or is it "how God puts a soul"?
    According to employers (LLC and IE): everyone was transferred to удал udalenka ’and they cut their salaries, but they didn’t reduce the volumes of ки production’ and they bite their heads on the phone every hour - you don’t work!
    And what is "udalenka" in their opinion? you asked? or just the experience of Moscow again?
    Over the past 10 years, almost nobody (on a proactive basis) in education (HSE and several other Moscow universities didn’t count) was seriously involved in remote access ... If someone believes that lectures dictated by someone are on the u-tube then - this is distance education, then it has nothing to do with the concept of "distance education", otherwise - we take a textbook, read and pass it on to what we read! - but what% of students will be able to pass the subject live after such an education ?: 2-3%.
    I’m not talking about “practical courses” - when we switched to the Bologna Convention, then “at the forefront” and put “practical skills” - competencies, then they quietly got it, and what should I do? - creeping degradation ...
    Voooooobschem continue to clap, such as kindergarten