Double salvo: a special feature of the Swedish submarines

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Swedish submarines are known for their stealth. This is largely due to their non-volatile power plant. However, other countries currently possess VNEU. The truly unique ability of the Swedish Navy's submarines is the ability to double volley.

This opinion is expressed by Forbes. According to him, the Swedish submarines carry both ordinary and light torpedoes. Moreover, it is possible to launch from one launcher two of them at once.

This is known in some parts of the defense community, but this ability is talked about in muffled tones [...] It is still practically not revealed. And some details of this feature are still kept secret.

- writes Forbes.

Light torpedoes, fired by a double salvo from a single device, are optimized for destroying enemy submarines, although the latest models can also be used against small warships and even enemy torpedoes. They are guided by wire. In the event of its breakdown, the torpedo enters the target hit mode using its own sonar.



In PU two light torpedoes are located one after another. Theoretically, this doubles the combat power of the submarine. In practice, Swedish submarines are equipped with both 533 mm launchers for full-size heavy torpedoes and 400 mm launchers for their special light counterparts.
This mixed loading allows Gotland-class submarines to fire up to 8 torpedoes at a time, even though they only have 6 launchers. The earlier Näcken class, which had 8 launchers, could simultaneously launch 10 torpedoes (6 heavy, 4 light).

History Operation of Swedish light torpedoes began in 1963 with the advent of the Torped-41. Currently, the Swedish submarines carry the 4th generation Torped-45, which entered service in the mid-1990s. The next type of Torped-47 is expected to be available. fleet in the year 2022. They will be equipped with the current A-19 Gotland class and submarines of the future A-26 Blekinge project.

As Forbes notes, although Sweden is the only country to use light torpedoes in submarines, other countries are considering similar opportunities. The United States Navy developed the “Very Light Torpedo Concept” (CVLWT) more than 10 years ago. Apparently, over time, it transformed into the VLWT ("very light torpedo") program recently introduced by Northrop Grumman. However, so far, Swedish submarines are the only carriers of a unique weaponsconcludes Forbes.


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  1. Eug
    -5
    27 May 2020 05: 13
    Package equivalent?
    1. +9
      27 May 2020 07: 14
      Quite interesting solutions are applied by saab
    2. +3
      27 May 2020 09: 01
      Quote: Eug
      Package equivalent?

      Rather, the Package is an analogue of the Swedish small-sized torpedo.
      The history of the operation of Swedish light torpedoes began in 1963 with the advent of the Torped-41. Currently, the Swedish submarines carry the 4th generation Torped-45, which entered service in the mid-1990s. The next type of Torped-47 is expected to be available to the fleet in 2022. They will be equipped with the current A-19 Gotland class and submarines of the future A-26 Blekinge project.

      And I have not heard that the package is installed on submarines.
      1. +2
        27 May 2020 12: 56
        Quote: kjhg
        The package is an analogue of the Swedish small-sized torpedo.

        these are absolutely perpendicular products
    3. +3
      27 May 2020 12: 55
      Quote: Eug
      Package equivalent?

      no, this is a special torpedo for the offshore zone
  2. +4
    27 May 2020 05: 25
    When they charge a remote-controlled torpedo, they put a coil with wires. And where do they attach the second, when firing a second torpedo?
    1. 0
      27 May 2020 05: 36
      So is the control over the wires, and in the event of a break in the wires, homing from your own radar hi
      1. +3
        27 May 2020 06: 41
        Quote: Thrifty
        radar

        Hydro ... Sonar.
      2. -3
        27 May 2020 08: 12
        We know this homing. It will capture the one who launched it, and - mom do not grieve.
        1. +3
          27 May 2020 09: 04
          Quote: Nagan
          We know this homing. It will capture the one who launched it, and - mom do not grieve.

          You want to say that the sector of the homing torpedo 360 degrees? belay Do you think Swedes are all suicides?
          1. +2
            27 May 2020 16: 44
            There were cases during World War II when a torpedo, describing a full circle after
            miss, drowned the submarine that released her.
            Therefore, there was a rule for conductors: move after a torpedo
            volley.
            1. 0
              27 May 2020 19: 17
              + the more so if this one can go around the islands, then 360 will do
    2. +1
      27 May 2020 06: 42
      Perhaps this is not a problem because of the smaller diameter of the main TA, the diameter of the light torpedo.
      1. -3
        27 May 2020 06: 56
        There is a problem, when charging a remote-controlled torpedo, on the inside of the TA cover there is a connector for connecting a torpedo coil. And he is ONE. If according to the TA charging scheme indicated in the article, then the coil of the first torpedo will rest on the nose of the second, but the second will be connected through the connector to the control unit. The result is this, the first one flies out and sinks right away (the coil will not work), but the second one I think will go normally.
        1. +2
          27 May 2020 06: 59
          That's the way the remote-controlled torpedoes.



          1. +3
            27 May 2020 12: 59
            Quote: letinant
            That's the way the remote-controlled torpedoes

            this is our "antique" with an ancient TOWED coil
            which in the West have been abandoned MORE THAN HALF A BACK
        2. +7
          27 May 2020 07: 11
          Quote: letinant
          And he is ONE

          Are you familiar with the design of Swedish TA?
          Quote: letinant
          If according to the TA charging scheme indicated in the article, then the coil of the first torpedo will rest against the nose of the second
          Photos are beautiful, of course, but is it a photo of Swedish torpedoes?
          Quote: letinant
          The result is this, the first one flies out and sinks right away (the coil will not work), but the second one I think will go normally.
          But is it possible to place a torpedo behind a torpedo, and only coils behind them? What is in the way? Exactly no smaller diameter torpedoes.
          1. -3
            27 May 2020 07: 19
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: letinant
            And he is ONE

            Are you familiar with the design of Swedish TA?
            Quote: letinant
            If according to the TA charging scheme indicated in the article, then the coil of the first torpedo will rest against the nose of the second
            Photos are beautiful, of course, but is it a photo of Swedish torpedoes?
            Quote: letinant
            The result is this, the first one flies out and sinks right away (the coil will not work), but the second one I think will go normally.
            But is it possible to place a torpedo behind a torpedo, and only coils behind them? What is in the way? Exactly no smaller diameter torpedoes.

            Point by point:
            1. The design of the torpedo tubes is about the same (I am very familiar with these devices).
            2. And which torpedoes do the Swedes use? And here are some:
            Guess for yourself, where is what?
            3. You can’t connect two torpedoes to one connector, you need a second connector. And for this you need a place. From the second point you can see where the coil is located and in the same connector. Well, honestly think with your head.
            1. +10
              27 May 2020 07: 44
              Quote: letinant
              1. The design of the torpedo tubes is about the same (I am very familiar with these devices).
              So approximately or absolutely? And if not absolutely, then I repeat the question: Are you familiar with the Swedish TAs mentioned in the article?
              Quote: letinant
              2. And which torpedoes do the Swedes use? And here are some:
              What are torpedoes without a reference? Not an idle question, because the 4th generation Torped-45s mentioned in the article look "somewhat" different

              Quote: letinant
              Guess for yourself, where is what?
              Yes, it’s already clear what horrible torpedoes you are sculpting.
              Quote: letinant
              Well, honestly think with your head.

              Thanks for the wish, and the same to you.
              1. -2
                27 May 2020 08: 19
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Quote: letinant
                1. The design of the torpedo tubes is about the same (I am very familiar with these devices).
                So approximately or absolutely? And if not absolutely, then I repeat the question: Are you familiar with the Swedish TAs mentioned in the article?
                Quote: letinant
                2. And which torpedoes do the Swedes use? And here are some:
                What are torpedoes without a reference? Not an idle question, because the 4th generation Torped-45s mentioned in the article look "somewhat" different

                Quote: letinant
                Guess for yourself, where is what?
                Yes, it’s already clear what horrible torpedoes you are sculpting.
                Quote: letinant
                Well, honestly think with your head.

                Thanks for the wish, and the same to you.






                Performance characteristics
                Tr432 / 43X0
                Dimensions: Diameter 400 mm (15 3/4 inches); 2,6 m (8 ft. 1/3 in.) or 2,85 m (9 ft. 1/4 in.) length with wire control.
                Total weight: 280 to 350 kg (617 to 772 pounds).
                Warhead: 45 kg (99 lbs) of blasting explosive.
                Additional data: speed 15, 25 or 35 knots .; range 30, 20 or 10 km (18,64, 12,43 or 6,21 miles).



                Originally intended to replace the Tr41 torpedoes of the Swedish Navy, the Tr42 became the base model for a series of 400 mm (15,75 in) light torpedoes from FFV (currently the Shaab Bofors Dynamic), designed for both domestic and foreign markets. The base model Tr422 was adopted in mid-1983, mainly for conducting anti-aircraft missile defense by Boeing-Vertol 107 helicopters, the number of which was small.
                You showed a photo of an aircraft torpedo.
                1. -1
                  27 May 2020 08: 40
                  Torpedo 45 can be launched from a variety of platforms including stationary, surface vessels, submarine and helicopters
                  Wiki
                  Quote: letinant
                  Dimensions: Diameter 400 mm (15 3/4 inches); 2,6 m (8 ft 1/3 in) or 2,85 m (9 ft 1/4 in) length with control unit by wire.
                  A torpedo WITHOUT a control unit by wire is shown, possibly a strictly aviation version, but you just showed an abstract torpedo.
                  1. -1
                    27 May 2020 09: 56
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Torpedo 45 can be launched from a variety of platforms including stationary, surface vessels, submarine and helicopters
                    Wiki
                    Quote: letinant
                    Dimensions: Diameter 400 mm (15 3/4 inches); 2,6 m (8 ft 1/3 in) or 2,85 m (9 ft 1/4 in) length with control unit by wire.
                    A torpedo WITHOUT a control unit by wire is shown, possibly a strictly aviation version, but you just showed an abstract torpedo.

                    I showed the torpedo MK46 mod.3, full-time, small-sized torpedo of NATO countries. Hinting that the design of the remote-controlled torpedoes is the same, the differences are only in the design of the coil with cable.
                    1. -1
                      27 May 2020 10: 50
                      Quote: letinant
                      I showed the torpedo MK46 mod.3, full-time, small-sized torpedo of NATO countries. Hinting that the design of the remote-controlled torpedoes is the same, the differences are only in the design of the coil with cable.
                      Simply amazing! Not only are you really demonstrating what horrible torpedoes, just not Swedish, but also MK46 mod.3 as remotely controlled by wire is not mentioned! Well, for a snack: there is a telecontrol by wires "hose" and with a towed reel.

                      https://shoehanger.livejournal.com/33782.html
                      What will not allow a paired connector to create? What does not allow both coils behind torpedoes to be placed if the TA length allows?
                      1. -1
                        27 May 2020 11: 29
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: letinant
                        I showed the torpedo MK46 mod.3, full-time, small-sized torpedo of NATO countries. Hinting that the design of the remote-controlled torpedoes is the same, the differences are only in the design of the coil with cable.
                        Simply amazing! Not only are you really demonstrating what horrible torpedoes, just not Swedish, but also MK46 mod.3 as remotely controlled by wire is not mentioned! Well, for a snack: there is a telecontrol by wires "hose" and with a towed reel.

                        https://shoehanger.livejournal.com/33782.html
                        What will not allow a paired connector to create? What does not allow both coils behind torpedoes to be placed if the TA length allows?

                        Useless conversation, you first need to visit a submarine and see the design of the TA.
                      2. -1
                        27 May 2020 11: 34
                        Quote: letinant
                        Useless conversation, you first need to visit a submarine and see the design of the TA.

                        Those. what horrible torpedoes have nothing to say?
                      3. -1
                        27 May 2020 14: 23
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: letinant
                        Useless conversation, you first need to visit a submarine and see the design of the TA.

                        Those. what horrible torpedoes have nothing to say?

                        And what kind of torpedo torpedo did you give me? Not a Mk 48 ADCAP, an hour? 533 mm
                      4. 0
                        27 May 2020 14: 42
                        Quote: letinant
                        And what kind of torpedo torpedo did you give me? Not a Mk 48 ADCAP, an hour?

                        she is quite adequate to the Swedes
                        unlike your photos of our "antiques" with BLK
                      5. -1
                        27 May 2020 14: 51
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        And what kind of torpedo torpedo did you give me? Not a Mk 48 ADCAP, an hour?

                        she is quite adequate to the Swedes
                        unlike your photos of our "antiques" with BLK

                        Small torpedo, up to 400 mm.
                        A MK 48 adcap 533 mm. Here is her photo:

                        Oh, and what is this, behind the screw, is a reel with a cable!
                      6. 0
                        27 May 2020 17: 28
                        Quote: letinant
                        Oh, and what is this, behind the screw, is a reel with a cable!

                        fool
                        for those who are "on an armored train and in wooden helmets"
                        in the photo 48 SLK, just like the Swedes
                        YOU dragged here photos of ours with BLK

                        You are not tired yet to smack your BAD? lol
                      7. 0
                        28 May 2020 03: 23
                        for those who are "on an armored train and in wooden helmets"
                        in the photo 48 SLK, just like the Swedes
                        YOU dragged here photos of ours with BLK

                        You are not tired yet to smack your BAD?

                        On the photo
                        torpedo MK 48 ADCAP.
                        When loading onto a nuclear submarine. Look at the photo information.
                      8. -1
                        2 June 2020 10: 24
                        Quote: letinant
                        torpedo MK 48 ADCAP.

                        fool
                        AGAIN
                        for those who are "on an armored train and in wooden helmets"
                        on the picture 48 SLK,
                        and with 5 (ADCAP) YOU, Monsieur, as usual, sat in a puddle lol
                        for in photo 6 or 7
                      9. 0
                        28 May 2020 03: 00
                        Quote: letinant
                        And what kind of torpedo torpedo did you give me?

                        The outline of the torpedo? I remember the layout of the torpedo tube, and the layout of the torpedo is strictly your job.
                      10. 0
                        28 May 2020 03: 20
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: letinant
                        And what kind of torpedo torpedo did you give me?

                        The outline of the torpedo? I remember the layout of the torpedo tube, and the layout of the torpedo is strictly your job.

                        The scheme of the torpedo tube? This one?


                        And I thought the MR48 ADCAP torpedoes:

                        Find ten differences!
                      11. 0
                        28 May 2020 04: 34
                        Huh? Not bad, on the site it was presented with such a stub, I didn’t correlate it with the torpedo, plus to you.
                      12. 0
                        27 May 2020 13: 04
                        Quote: letinant
                        Useless conversation, you first need to visit a submarine and see the design of the TA.

                        which submarine? American? Do you even know that their TAs themselves were significantly different?
                      13. -2
                        27 May 2020 14: 23
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        Useless conversation, you first need to visit a submarine and see the design of the TA.

                        which submarine? American? Do you even know that their TAs themselves were significantly different?

                        What?
                      14. 0
                        27 May 2020 14: 41
                        Quote: letinant
                        What?

                        by construction
                        characteristics
                      15. -2
                        27 May 2020 14: 47
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        What?

                        by construction
                        characteristics

                        Yes, show the design, as I don’t ask, the standard diagram is shown all the time. Even the Americans.
                      16. 0
                        27 May 2020 17: 26
                        Quote: letinant
                        Yes, show the design, as I don’t ask, the standard diagram is shown all the time. Even the Americans.

                        lol
                        Monsieur on American manuals for TA was in my articles

                        and finally stop TARANTING YOURSELF! - She HURTS! lol
                      17. -1
                        27 May 2020 15: 46
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: letinant
                        I showed the torpedo MK46 mod.3, full-time, small-sized torpedo of NATO countries. Hinting that the design of the remote-controlled torpedoes is the same, the differences are only in the design of the coil with cable.
                        Simply amazing! Not only are you really demonstrating what horrible torpedoes, just not Swedish, but also MK46 mod.3 as remotely controlled by wire is not mentioned! Well, for a snack: there is a telecontrol by wires "hose" and with a towed reel.

                        https://shoehanger.livejournal.com/33782.html
                        What will not allow a paired connector to create? What does not allow both coils behind torpedoes to be placed if the TA length allows?

                        Here is the MU 90:

                        And what we have there, behind the screw. There's still a wire depicted, damn it !!! Again the coil !!!
                      18. +1
                        27 May 2020 17: 24
                        Quote: letinant
                        And what we have there, behind the screw. There's still a wire depicted, damn it !!! Again the coil !!!

                        no, there is a parachute
                        TU on MU90 no
                        it appeared on its development "Black Flash"
                    2. +2
                      27 May 2020 13: 03
                      Quote: letinant
                      I showed the torpedo MK46 mod.3,

                      you didn’t show any MK46 mod.3, and it seems you have little idea what it is
                      Quote: letinant
                      Hinting that the design of the remote-controlled torpedoes is the same, the differences are only in the design of the coil with cable

                      You're wrong
                      1. -2
                        27 May 2020 14: 24
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        I showed the torpedo MK46 mod.3,

                        you didn’t show any MK46 mod.3, and it seems you have little idea what it is
                        Quote: letinant
                        Hinting that the design of the remote-controlled torpedoes is the same, the differences are only in the design of the coil with cable

                        You're wrong

                        Enlighten.
                      2. 0
                        27 May 2020 14: 40
                        Quote: letinant
                        Enlighten.

                        Read
                        I was not personally hired for you
                      3. -1
                        27 May 2020 14: 43
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        Enlighten.

                        Read
                        I was not personally hired for you

                        Then why bother?
                      4. 0
                        27 May 2020 14: 45
                        Quote: letinant
                        Then why bother?

                        then what are you talking about illiterate and completely incompetent nonsense
                      5. -1
                        27 May 2020 14: 55
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        Then why bother?

                        then what are you talking about illiterate and completely incompetent nonsense

                        Prove the facts.
                      6. +1
                        27 May 2020 17: 22
                        Quote: letinant
                        Prove the facts.

                        "I myself already have proof" wink and on this issue I have already given more than enough. I have more than reason to declare myself as an expert in this field.
                        YOU began to "grieve" something from yourself, while being unable to even distinguish the MU90 from the Mk46
                      7. -1
                        27 May 2020 20: 33
                        Quote: Fizik M
                        Quote: letinant
                        Prove the facts.

                        "I myself already have proof" wink and on this issue I have already given more than enough. I have more than reason to declare myself as an expert in this field.
                        YOU began to "grieve" something from yourself, while being unable to even distinguish the MU90 from the Mk46

                        For, blah, blah. Especially funny:
                        "I myself already have proof"
                        . Who is enough for you?
                      8. +1
                        27 May 2020 20: 42
                        Quote: letinant
                        Who is enough for you?

                        Monsieur, YOU missed the address: I’m not Aibolit and I don’t
                        Quote: letinant
                        For, blah, blah

                        FOREST
                        there and gurgle
                      9. 0
                        27 May 2020 21: 03
                        Monsieur, YOU missed the address: I’m not Aibolit and I don’t
                        Am I asking you something?
                      10. 0
                        27 May 2020 21: 09
                        I forget to ask everything, why only the Swedes can shoot two torpedoes? And the Germans and the Americans? What about the Israelis? After all, in Israeli submarines are the same devices?
                      11. 0
                        27 May 2020 21: 56
                        Quote: letinant
                        I forget to ask everything, why only the Swedes can shoot two torpedoes?

                        because "so Forbes wrote" laughing
                        as a matter of fact - wrote below comments
            2. +1
              27 May 2020 13: 00
              Quote: letinant
              1. The design of the torpedo tubes is about the same

              this is not true
              Quote: letinant
              (I am very familiar with these devices).

              this is also not so
              Quote: letinant
              3. You can’t connect two torpedoes to one connector, you need a second connector.

              what is the problem?
              study, for starters, what is the A-cable in THEM
            3. +1
              27 May 2020 13: 09
              Quote: letinant
              2. And which torpedoes do the Swedes use? And here are some:

              LIES
              no Swedes MU90
            4. +1
              27 May 2020 17: 32
              Quote: letinant
              You can’t connect two torpedoes to one connector, you need a second connector

              hmm…. "it's hard in the village without a revolver"
              ALL connectors of the "Package" products are eventually connected to 1
              for stupidly multiplex channel with addressing
        3. +1
          27 May 2020 12: 58
          Quote: letinant
          There is a problem, when charging a remote-controlled torpedo, on the inside of the TA cover there is a connector for connecting a torpedo coil. And he is ONE.

          that's no problem at all

          what you write is our DEBILABLE scheme
          in the west it all looks very different
    3. 0
      27 May 2020 12: 56
      it is theoretically possible to place both boat coils on the back cover of the TA (in series)
  3. +4
    27 May 2020 07: 09
    Very interesting!
    I am not a sailor, so for me this article is a direct discovery.
  4. +1
    27 May 2020 07: 09
    I was surprised in this article:
    launched double salvo from one device
    A salvo involves a simultaneous shot from several guns (torpedo tubes), but here a "double" and even from one device ??? Lost in translation or ...
    1. +2
      27 May 2020 08: 01
      The text of the article in English says that 400 mm torpedoes from their "TPK" can be launched either one at a time, or both at once (I will assume that there is a small interval between the torpedo exits). There is no original about the simultaneous salvo from all torpedo tubes:
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/05/24/swedish-navy-submarines-have-a-unique-secret-weapon/#66f39baa67c0
      1. +2
        27 May 2020 13: 06
        Quote: asv363
        About the simultaneous salvo of all torpedo tubes in the original is not:

        "hitting everyone" makes sense only on a convoy or a detachment of warships
        and for Western torpedoes, these are not the limitations of the torpedoes themselves (unlike ours, they long ago had a salvo launcher with TUs) and ASBUs (the number of torpedoes with a TU in a salvo)
  5. +2
    27 May 2020 13: 30
    I note that the "double charge" from torpedoes in one TA is not news at all, this was practiced even on the ancient submarines of Project 205 (and its "daughters") in relation to Mk37 torpedoes
    1. 0
      27 May 2020 20: 24
      welcome! how are your litigation?
      1. 0
        27 May 2020 20: 42
        "operational pause"
        which seems to be ending already
  6. 0
    27 May 2020 22: 06
    Series "Serving the Fatherland" - issue No 2
    Red banner
    Ushakov Order 1st degree
    connection submarine SF
    Special issue of the almanac "Typhoon"
    2003

    ABOUT SERVICE IN POLAR
    Captain 1st Rank E.K. Penzin

    Waves in the sea originate
    Chief of Staff of the 4th Espl
    Dedicated to Ivan Nikolaevich Pargamon.

    <...> page 108

    Once the fleet commander, Admiral of the Fleet G.M. Egorov planted an introductory shot at our squadron - to find areas
    patrolling Norwegian submarines. They were very annoying to the fleet. Virtually none of our nuclear submarines could
    enter or exit the main base, invisible to them. We knew about their presence nearby, but we needed to find
    way how to get around their position?
    We were asked to search for battery charging areas, and, clinging to the boat,
    follow her before coming to the patrol area. The squadron allocated two pairs of submarines operating as part of
    tactical groups. To no avail. Much later it was found that the Norwegian "Cobbens" before leaving
    load disposable current sources. Their capacity was enough for 15 days of patrolling. So the charging areas
    they simply did not exist. These West German-made boats proved to be a dangerous adversary. Having
    displacement of 350 tons, they are armed with eight TA, located in a circle, like cartridges in a revolver drum.
    In each device they have the ability to load two anti-submarine torpedoes Mk37S. The remote control system allows you to control simultaneously two torpedoes.
  7. +1
    28 May 2020 09: 58
    A flurry of them aboard, and the VNEU is complete ..... well, if there is something like that, it’s like a windmill opposite the NPP unit
  8. 0
    28 May 2020 13: 40
    Quote: voyaka uh
    There were cases during World War II when a torpedo, describing a full circle after
    miss, drowned the submarine that released her.
    Therefore, there was a rule for conductors: move after a torpedo
    volley.

    This was not hit by a homing torpedo, but a torpedo with damage to the rotation angle mechanism after launch (the so-called circulation).
  9. 0
    28 May 2020 13: 45
    It was such a small torpedo that drowned the coronet Chonan.
    Just do not think that she beat the Swedish.