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In Kiev, announced the plan to re-equip the Ukrainian Air Force with new fighters

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to completely re-equip the Air Force of the country with new aircraft. The reform of the Ukrainian Air Force will be carried out in three stages, the corresponding plan has already been approved by the Military Council of the Air Force of Ukraine.


According to the portal defense-ua.com, the implementation of the plan should go through 2035. At the first preparatory stage, which will take five years (until 2025 inclusive), it is planned to announce a tender for the purchase of new aircraft. After determining the winner of the tender, it is planned to purchase from 6 to 12 multipurpose fighters (2021-2022). The trial operation of new fighters is planned to begin in 2023-2025. As applicants for delivery are considered Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen, F-16 Block 70/72 and others.

The second five-year stage (until 2030) will be transitional to planned tactical equipment aviation. During this stage, it is planned to establish regular deliveries of new combat aircraft with the simultaneous removal of obsolete equipment from the Air Force. It is planned to supply from 8 to 12 multi-purpose aircraft per year. In addition, the aircraft will have to get rid of certain types of aviation, instead of assault, bomber and reconnaissance aircraft, units equipped with drones will be deployed. By 2030, the re-equipment of transport and special aviation will also begin.

The third five-year stage (until 2035) is to complete the re-equipment of the Air Force of the Armed Forces. By this year, all obsolete equipment should be removed from the Air Force. According to the plan, by 2035 the Ukrainian Air Force should have: at least 4 tactical aviation brigades armed with a modern unified multi-purpose fighter of the 4 ++ generation; at least 4 brigades (regiments) of strike and reconnaissance drones; transport and special aviation brigade; training aviation brigade.

It is planned to spend about 200 billion UAH ($ 7,5 billion) on the purchase of new multi-functional fighters, while it is planned to allocate about 320 billion hryvnias for 15 years to retool the Air Force. Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO allies.
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  1. A009
    A009 23 May 2020 12: 05 New
    18
    Опечатка по фрейду - "...пройти до 20235 года"
    )))
    1. HAM
      HAM 23 May 2020 12: 07 New
      +2
      No, it will be so ....
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 May 2020 12: 09 New
      +8
      But honestly!!! ))) Around this year, Ukraine will find the opportunity to purchase Gripenov, F-16 and others.
      1. A009
        A009 23 May 2020 12: 12 New
        +8
        It is extremely doubtful. By then it will be a very expensive rarity.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 May 2020 12: 17 New
          +2
          Yes, I will probably agree. Extremely expensive and protected rarity.
        2. knn54
          knn54 23 May 2020 13: 02 New
          +2
          By this time, the Indians will start making their own "4 ++." And, I think, inexpensive.
      2. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 12: 13 New
        +2
        According to the portal defense-ua.com, the implementation of the plan should go through 20235.

        Offset good At least once they told the truth. Then it will be possible to find all these Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen, F-16 Block 70/72 in the garbage dump and play them a bit. Like with the Bulgarian MiG-21s who wanted to push to Croatia.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 May 2020 12: 16 New
          +1
          Perhaps you're right, but rather, not in the trash, but canned in acrylic (or whatever the analogue will be there), so as not to crumble from time to time.
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 12: 16 New
        +1
        Used tires debited after 30 years of service ....
      4. businessv
        businessv 24 May 2020 14: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        Around this year, Ukraine will find the opportunity to purchase Gripenov, F-16 and others.
        I think that to any plans of the Square, it is imperative to make an attribution: "in the absence of the Maidan." After all, they are just fans of rake dancing!
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 23 May 2020 20: 20 New
      +2
      ...... Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen, F-16 Block 70/72 and others are considered as applicants for delivery.
      The word "others" apparently refers to the F-22 and F-35.
      1. bang
        bang 24 May 2020 21: 20 New
        +1
        And also B-21 Raider)
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 23 May 2020 12: 06 New
    +2
    Us sho you want, for their money .... freeloaders, in a word.
    Как бы не оказалось, шо с другой стороны "сотрудничества" найдутся обломальщики, которым чумадан без ручки не очень то и нужен.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 May 2020 12: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Us sho you want, for their money .... freeloaders, in a word.

      The West has already been taught, no one will give money to "Alice the fox and Basilio the cat".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 May 2020 12: 28 New
        +5
        This is not important. This government needs to be invigorated by any means, otherwise no one really loves them. They would still stand the night and hold out the day ..... the straws where necessary, lay more and ... and jump on time!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 May 2020 12: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          This government needs to be invigorated by any means, otherwise no one really loves them.

          The jumpers have already trampled their boots for 6 years of jumping, asking for compensation for the trampled boots.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 May 2020 13: 14 New
            +3
            Well, they cleaned them without visas, they can now "freely" go to the geyropa to scrub them! Shaw they still need it?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 23 May 2020 13: 22 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              Shaw they still have something to drink?

              To earn on boots.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 May 2020 13: 29 New
                +2
                Without boots, one who does not show any activity at all, just gallop. Even at them they can look askance.
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 23 May 2020 12: 53 New
        +3
        Денег, может и не дадут, а Ф16, как безвозмездную военную помощь впарят. Ведь кроме "хамви" и "исландов" поставили же "джавелины"?
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 13: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Денег, может и не дадут, а Ф16, как безвозмездную военную помощь впарят. Ведь кроме "хамви" и "исландов" поставили же "джавелины"?

          Not a fact. The F-16s were not even given the money. At one time, the USA refused Israel to export the F-16 to the country as a NATO member, Croatia. It depends on NATO’s plans for Ukraine. Ukraine, following the example of the Baltic States and Croatia, may open its skies in the future for aviation in Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Turkey.
          in the article, the Croatian author points out that “farewell to the Air Force” could have been inspired by NATO. In particular, he refers to the opinion once expressed by American experts that Croatia has enough combat helicopters. And he notes that according to the agreements existing within the alliance, Croatia opens its skies to the military aircraft of Italy and Hungary, whose aircraft will completely replace Croatian aircraft in it over time.

          https://m.politnavigator.net/khorvatskaya-pressa-napugana-usileniem-armii-serbii.html
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 May 2020 13: 20 New
            +2
            To make a passage yard for the Allies on the outskirts of the outskirts, yes it can.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 23 May 2020 13: 18 New
          +2
          jaba is it sho, the prodigy of all the prodigies?
          And the rest is not so first fresh, but about the new planes the skakuasa may not even stutter.
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 23 May 2020 13: 30 New
            +4
            Who is talking about new aircraft? Used on credit may well give a dozen 2-3. Actually, this is the only real option for the Ukrainian Air Force, it is hard to believe in the purchase of "Swedes".
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 23 May 2020 13: 33 New
              +2
              On credit. Second-hand imported, it’s such a ge / M / op ..... there is a repair base, spare parts, so much training is needed for u! This is a RAKE that many have already jumped on.
              1. Peter is not the first
                Peter is not the first 23 May 2020 14: 26 New
                +1
                So this will be the calculation, that would make money on the sale of used aircraft on credit, and then lend for a long time under the straw for maintenance, repair and spare parts.
                So to deter Russia from America with NATO, junk and loans are not a pity.
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          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 May 2020 14: 36 New
            +2
            Doubtful happiness ... there, in order for Schaub the penguin to simply ride on the airfield, expenses, expenses .....
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 23 May 2020 12: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Us sho you want, for their money .... freeloaders, in a word.

      "Партнёры" придумают, на чем их обуть... Никто ещё такую технику задарма не получал, кроме, конечно, Израиля... Но Окраина ни разу не "Земля обетованная"...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 May 2020 12: 31 New
        +2
        For their "partners", they edge .... throw "scrap metal" on poverty and all the care! Yes, they will take off their "pretty penny" for scrap metal, as usual.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 13: 07 New
          +3
          Scrap metal is free, but spare parts, spare motors and everything else will have to be bought ..... Poles from F-16 howled at a speed of 30-40 percent .. But since our FSE rake now wants F-35 ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 May 2020 13: 22 New
            +3
            The brains are shaken there, foreheads will be covered with pans and let's go over the rake!
  3. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 23 May 2020 12: 07 New
    +6
    At the first preparatory stage, which will take five years (until 2025 inclusive), it is planned to announce a tender for the purchase of new aircraft.

    Fundamentally, as much as 5 years on plans to announce a tender !!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 May 2020 12: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: AlexVas44
      Fundamentally, as much as 5 years on plans to announce a tender !!

      New anecdote in Ukrainian "I have no money, but I announce a procurement tender." Interesting and who will lead to this.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 23 May 2020 13: 25 New
        10
        Quote: tihonmarine
        New anecdote in Ukrainian "I have no money, but I announce a procurement tender." Interesting and who will lead to this.

        If a tender is announced,
        Not having a penny
        You can get a rating
        Good for 5 years
        Light mriya replace
        People have anxiety
        After all, the expectation overcame
        Too much
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 23 May 2020 12: 08 New
    +2
    implementation of the plan should go through 20235

    Reform of the Ukrainian Air Force will be carried out in three stages

    Apparently three stages are not enough ....
  5. orionvitt
    orionvitt 23 May 2020 12: 10 New
    +5
    Where did the money come from? They are asking the IMF for a pitiful billion, they have already sold the land, but they don’t have any money. . Ukro fleet armed with inflatable scows, in line with the Air Force. It is a pity that inflatable boats do not fly, which means they will put hang gliders into service. laughing
  6. yfast
    yfast 23 May 2020 12: 12 New
    +2
    It would be nice to get the F-16 through the Donbass for study. But hard to believe.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 12: 18 New
      +2
      Do you think they didn’t ask in Venezuela? About Iran, I really heard that they got a F-14 radar from there and one Tomket for testing in the 80s .....
      1. yfast
        yfast 23 May 2020 12: 23 New
        +1
        There were no computers in the 80s yet. I meant the digital systems of the aircraft.
    2. Tuzik
      Tuzik 23 May 2020 12: 20 New
      +2
      it must not be studied, but put in a museum.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 12: 12 New
    +1
    320 billion hryvnia in 15 years. Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO allies.
    What's new? For them, the usual scheme. The IMF is preparing to roll today, and NATO tomorrow.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 12: 23 New
      +6
      They will not be able to throw anyone. Even if they don’t dream, they’ll overthrow them in full, up to buying up all their lands and evicting people from there. Three skins will be removed from them. You will see.
  8. Well done
    Well done 23 May 2020 12: 14 New
    +4
    Now they’ll saw billions and buy a pair of used AN-2, but according to the documents it will be F-35. Peremoga!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 12: 20 New
      +1
      I believe the next stage of the re-equipment of the Air Force and Air Defense search in landfills MiG-21 and SAM S-125 and recovery ....
      1. Well done
        Well done 23 May 2020 12: 38 New
        +1
        The film is like "Wooden Cannon". This is air defense! laughing
  9. Ham
    Ham 23 May 2020 12: 16 New
    +1
    Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO allies

    as always, someone else should give money ...
    Super modern navy I think is already built?
    modern jet air forces can not afford any agricultural superpowers ...
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 23 May 2020 12: 18 New
    +4
    The plan is good in that it exists and in that the preparatory period with the asking price will last five years .. Five years of prosperity and kickbacks, and after five years of the current aviation and military authorities will no longer be at their posts. So the plan is good.
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 May 2020 12: 18 New
    +2
    The best option is the Chinese version of the Yak130 with Ukrainian turbojet engines L-15 ... and used F16 or bu Grippen. But there is an ambush (even if they are given free of charge) infrastructure and ammunition .....
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 May 2020 12: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The best option is the Chinese version of the Yak130 with Ukrainian turbojet engines L-15 ... and used F16 or bu Grippen. But there is an ambush (even if they are given free of charge) infrastructure and ammunition .....

      The best option is to learn how to measure Wishlist with capabilities.

      After all, even at a primitive, consumer-everyday level,normal people , evaluate their ability to own a particular thing, with the ability to contain it (for example, a car).

      But here, as you know, the case when the law is not written to fools ...

  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 23 May 2020 12: 18 New
    +1
    It is planned to spend about 200 billion UAH ($ 7,5 billion) on the purchase of new multi-functional fighters, while it is planned to allocate about 320 billion hryvnias for 15 years to retool the Air Force. Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO allies.
    All this could be produced at Antonov's factories, and much cheaper. And everything imported depends on the factories of suppliers, and maintenance, and spare parts, and weapons, and this is bondage. But everything has been lost for a long time. And there is no money for the purchase of fighters either, they hope for "NATO allies." But Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and it has no allies, and who will lend money to a beggar, not to mention that there are those who will give money for free. Yes, and it is dangerous for NOTO to give a fighter into the hands of the ragul, it can come out "more expensive".
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 14: 41 New
      0
      And do you know many Antonov fighters?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 23 May 2020 22: 14 New
        +2
        Well, the Sukhoi Design Bureau (by organizing the GSS) made a Superbudget passenger plane, why shouldn't Antonov try to make a fighter?
  13. Tuzik
    Tuzik 23 May 2020 12: 20 New
    +4
    to buy airplanes is only half the trouble, you need to change the entire infrastructure, ammunition, maintenance equipment, retrain pilots, staff .... a bunch of everything, even fuel.
    And the price of flight hours at f 16 is not small.
  14. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 23 May 2020 12: 23 New
    +3
    Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO allies.

    Now let them get richer with a thought.
  15. BYCHARA
    BYCHARA 23 May 2020 12: 28 New
    -5
    In Kiev, voiced the plan

    laughing Remember my word, the State Department with Israel they palm off Fu -35 defective, but flying so far .. Here will be a rethink! It will fly over Kiev on torchlight processions .. well, and a couple of times from afar it will fire at the villages of Donbass ..
    Or maybe Poland will palm them a couple of these, and then the slaves will work on the fields of strawberries and pig farms))))
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 23 May 2020 13: 16 New
      0
      Most likely they will follow the path of "brothers" ..
  16. Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 May 2020 12: 34 New
    +5
    Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO Allies.

    Apparently with this self-isolation, I missed something.recourse Shumeria already joined NATO, or what? belay Or, once again, in shit? request
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 23 May 2020 12: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Piramidon
      Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO Allies.

      Apparently with this self-isolation, I missed something.recourse Shumeria already joined NATO, or what? belay Or, once again, in shit? request

      I want to join NATO, even through ... shit winked
      1. BYCHARA
        BYCHARA 23 May 2020 14: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        I want to join NATO, even through ... shit

        And get into the shit!

        And here's another ..)))

        [/ Center]
        It’s disgusting for me to post these photos, but I have to .. so they don’t say later ..
        What about us?
  17. Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 23 May 2020 12: 40 New
    +2
    I wonder where they will get the money or they will shed some old stuff as unnecessary.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 May 2020 12: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Yuri Siritsky
      I wonder where they get the money

      Поинтересуйтесь, откуда Грузия при Саакашвили взяла деньги в объёме, соизмеримом с бюджетом государства, чтобы организовать "080808". Уже по величине военного бюджета Грузии была понятно, что военная операция (война) неизбежна. Однако РФ к войне оказалась "не готова". Даже министра обороны РФ (как говорят злые языки), якобы нашли не сразу.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 May 2020 13: 17 New
        +1
        In Georgia, the police and the state apparatus are financed from the United States ... the army - I don’t know.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 23 May 2020 22: 16 New
        0
        Even the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation (as evil tongues say) was allegedly not immediately found.

        And it’s good that not immediately, otherwise they would have lost with such a minister.
  18. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 23 May 2020 12: 52 New
    +1
    Well, finally .... And then all the walls and walls, with strongholds))) A new generation - new eggs)))
  19. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 23 May 2020 13: 00 New
    +2
    Ukraine has a huge budget deficit. With such fin indicators, they will not be able to allocate significant amounts for the purchase of new aircraft.
    Remember the program of the Ukrainian corvette? 9 year build, 40% readiness. But a corvette is much cheaper than a squadron of fighters (a corvette of $ 250 million and 12 fighters from $ 600 million)
    So the most real thing is the purchase of used aircraft from some sort of Belgium. Although this will not solve the problem.
    Yes, and not the fact that they will sell. Indeed, in the event of any instability, any pilot can fly to Russia.
  20. Doctor
    Doctor 23 May 2020 13: 04 New
    0
    According to the plan, by 2035 the Ukrainian Air Force should have: at least 4 tactical aviation brigades,

    And that in the West the Air Force is also organized into brigades? And what structure, who will say?
    1. Gato
      Gato 24 May 2020 01: 37 New
      +1
      There are brigades, but the direct owners have squadrons, groups and wings. The wing at the airbase with all appendicitis (grouping) approximately corresponds to the brigade.
      But by American standards, the squadron includes 3 squadrons with an average of 20 aircraft each, where the Ukrlufs are going to collect equipment for 4 brigades - I don’t know request
  21. mark1
    mark1 23 May 2020 13: 16 New
    +3
    I think they will be given everything and paid for everything. Ukraine plays too important a role in the confrontation between the USA (namely, it and not the whole West) and Russia. Soon it may become no laughing matter if we giggle like that
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 23 May 2020 15: 20 New
      -3
      Unfortunately, your vision of the problem is not popular here. -Happiness and boastfulness reign here. Although Russia has nothing to be proud of now. Even in Ukraine, Bandera say “Russia is not the USSR. And the Russian army is not the Red Army.” Imagine if the roguly understand this. then the world understood this for a long time. And in the Russian Federation everyone continues to sing "If tomorrow is war .."
  22. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 May 2020 13: 16 New
    -1
    Rather, the Selyuks will join NATO and let American bases go.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 May 2020 13: 28 New
      +1
      And who will take them there? The geyrope already understood who they contacted.
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 24 May 2020 17: 59 New
        0
        What they’ll come up with is only to bring the bases closer to Russia.
  23. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 May 2020 13: 28 New
    +1
    Rzhu nimagu))) there is no money to maintain the flight condition of what is. And they are going to buy new)))
  24. Pavel73
    Pavel73 23 May 2020 13: 37 New
    +4
    Lord, what did these former Russian people turn into ... Ukraine is the shame of Russia.
  25. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 23 May 2020 13: 58 New
    +1
    It will not work for Ukrainians. First they need a working economy. Otherwise, they will not be able to buy anything. Western fighters are a new and different infrastructure, training, ammunition, radars, interaction and control systems, etc. And the fighters themselves are no more than half the total.
  26. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 May 2020 14: 04 New
    0
    dreaming is not bad ... here they are ... the fruits of true independence ...
  27. toha124
    toha124 23 May 2020 14: 13 New
    +2
    In terms of error they have. The first point is to send a group of senior officers of the Povitryanіkh forces for a one-year internship in India! No, of course, our globe neighbors are able to agree on the amount of gratitude to the supplier. And they even reached certain heights in this difficult matter. But to do it so beautifully, unpredictably, with songs and dances, only specialists from New Delhi can.
  28. toha124
    toha124 23 May 2020 14: 17 New
    +1
    It all depends on what plans for Ukraine by this time will be overseas. If there are no special plans, then their Air Force will be reduced to a mixed air brigade as part of the ground forces.
  29. Phoenix
    Phoenix 23 May 2020 14: 30 New
    0
    If it relies on US money, it would be more accurate to assume that they will not be given money, but NATO patrols will be launched, as in the Baltic states. So much cheaper. And drones can get.
  30. Egoza
    Egoza 23 May 2020 14: 33 New
    +3
    I have only one question: "Will Ukraine still exist in 15 years?"
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 23 May 2020 15: 27 New
      +1
      You are talking about a country or a regime.
    2. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. 23 May 2020 17: 00 New
      -1
      There will be ... ... ...... They promised that 2016 will not survive because of the winter and lack of money .... 2020. Everything is fine with them. Gazprom seized the money, extended the transit with Gazprom for 5 years and will again prolong it))) ... .. they killed all the media commanders of the militia, killed the head of the DPR, Zakharchenko, dragged the old anti-aircraft defense officer from the republic across the border, they bought javelins))) ....
  31. Radius
    Radius 23 May 2020 14: 33 New
    +1
    Buying airplanes is half the battle. They need to be maintained, maintained, repaired. And it costs as much evergreen ...
  32. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 23 May 2020 14: 36 New
    0
    It is planned to supply from 8 to 12 multi-purpose aircraft per year.


    According to the plan, by 2035 the Ukrainian Air Force should have: at least 4 tactical aviation brigades armed with a modern unified multi-purpose fighter of the 4 ++ generation; at least 4 brigades (regiments) of strike and reconnaissance drones; transport and special aviation brigade; training aviation brigade.


    Part of the funds for this program in Kiev is planned to be received from partner countries and NATO allies.


    Lip no fool ))). Let’s look at how much they will really master. And there you look, someone will take and maybe to Russia F-16 and even overtake))).
    1. kit88
      kit88 23 May 2020 15: 02 New
      +8
      I don’t know what they mean by "brigade", let alone 4 "brigades", but for $ 7,5 billion they will, at best, equip one regiment with F-16 Block 70/72.
      / this does not include the shrinkage and shaking of the allocated money on the way from the Ministry of Finance to the seller of aircraft / laughing
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 23 May 2020 16: 52 New
        0
        You are from aviation, tell us about the structure and number of units at us and at them.

        We have a regiment as far as I understand 3 squadrons of 12 aircraft, and then how?

        Judging by the contract with Bulgaria, one F-16 block 70 will cost $ 150 million all with everything.

        Total 7,5 will be able to buy 50 fighters, it will be about the same as in Poland.
        1. kit88
          kit88 23 May 2020 23: 09 New
          +7
          The Bulgarians got 157 million, and the Slovaks already 207 million. And these are all NATO members.
          It is unlikely that a non-member country will be sold cheaper. Total not more than 35 pieces - just a full regiment typed.

          And we have a regiment; then either a division or a corps; then the army.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 24 May 2020 10: 43 New
            0
            And we have a regiment; then either a division or a corps; then the army.


            And how many planes are in such units?
            1. kit88
              kit88 24 May 2020 14: 40 New
              +6
              You understand that this is not units, but units, formations and associations.
              Nobody will tell you the exact numbers.
              This is for you to contact the Air Force headquarters.
              У нас в полку в разное время было от 30 до 50 бортов, учитывая "дрова". Полк входил в корпус, в котором в разное время было 3-2-1 ИАП (реформы, однако). Корпус входил в Армию ... ну, и т.д.
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 24 May 2020 16: 28 New
                0
                Yes, I have enough and approximate, just to navigate.
  33. Eug
    Eug 23 May 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    I suspect that Ukrainian development based on the Chinese L-15 will also be featured, but whether they will manage to bring it to mass production and how it will be treated across the ocean is a question.
  34. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 15: 53 New
    +2
    Ukraine’s military budget for 2020 TOTAL 246 billion hryvnias, of which 17 billion hryvnias (NOT DOLLARS) are planned for the purchase and development of novya ... and I’m not looking any deeper for how much on the Air Force .... i.e. at the moment 635 million dollars .... we think further ... Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen - 48 million dollars .... F-16 Block 70/72 - 50 million dollars ... and it's bare airplanes ... without infrastructure, without training and without power supply ..... 6 pieces (2020-2021) + 8 pcs. X 5 years (until 2030) + well, and let another 8 pcs. X 5 years (until 2035) = 86 units for 15 years or $ 4,1 billion for 15 years only on bare planes ... but in fact Brazil bought 36 Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen for $ 5,4 billion. ....those. 86 aircraft = 12,9 billion dollars. DELIM for 15 = 860 million dollars. ANNUALLY from 635 million which ALL have ALL ALL new weapons and R&D ..... and this is the minimum of their plans .... let's calculate the maximum of 6 pieces. (until 2025) + 12 pcs X 5 years (until 2030) + 12 pcs X 5 years (until 2035) = 126 years = 18,9 billion dollars / 15 years = 1,26 billion dollars a year ..... ..M-MATHEMATICS - Queen of Sciences
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 May 2020 16: 04 New
      -1
      Теперь "высшая математика". Бразилия не граничит с РФ. Всё перечисленное устаревшее "нелетальное оборудование" может быть поставлено очень быстро и формально в кредит. Далее кредит нужно будет погасить путём организации крупной военной операции. Им же не надо захватить до Владивостока. В Москве будут делать вид, что всё это - ерунда. Но если эта ерунда полностью дестабилизирует ситуацию вокруг и внутри, то это не ерунда. Следует предпринять усилия, чтобы сбросить Украину как фактор со счетов. Если, конечно, нет других планов.
  35. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: mark1
    I think they will be given everything and paid for everything. Ukraine plays too important a role in the confrontation between the USA (namely, it and not the whole West) and Russia. Soon it may become no laughing matter if we giggle like that

    already for SIX years they have been playing a very important role ... and notice during the most active "request" for help ... SIX years CARL ... and now voice what and how much they were sold or given significantly and really serious ??? I agree with you that we need to prepare for the worst ... but even in the most difficult moments, THE WEST GIVEN NOTHING ... only a sale, only a business
    1. mark1
      mark1 23 May 2020 17: 25 New
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      They will give ... The role of Ukraine is a territory for a springboard and a thorn that constantly torments Russia. For a constant "painful" effect, a modern air regiment (better than 3) and a certain number of used frigates are quite enough. And then "dementia and courage" and "support" of the "entire" world community. There will be a lot of stench and hemorrhoids ... and so on all the time.
  36. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 16: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: iouris
    Теперь "высшая математика". Бразилия не граничит с РФ. Всё перечисленное устаревшее "нелетальное оборудование" может быть поставлено очень быстро и формально в кредит. Далее кредит нужно будет погасить путём организации крупной военной операции. Им же не надо захватить до Владивостока. В Москве будут делать вид, что всё это - ерунда. Но если эта ерунда полностью дестабилизирует ситуацию вокруг и внутри, то это не ерунда. Следует предпринять усилия, чтобы сбросить Украину как фактор со счетов. Если, конечно, нет других планов.
    "
    "I can drown an aircraft carrier ... theoretically" (C) ... war is primarily about the economy .... the money invested MUST fight back - a maximum of 126 aircraft instead of EVERYTHING that is now .... I'm certainly a patriot, BUT not .... the math is still the same .... 126 planes in total, they of course will unleash the war and win ... and return the DEBT .... I refuse to "rave crap" with you in parallel ... BUT it is necessary to prepare and keep the powder dry regardless of whether Ukraine is there or not
  37. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 16: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Теперь "высшая математика". Бразилия не граничит с РФ. Всё перечисленное устаревшее "нелетальное оборудование" может быть поставлено очень быстро и формально в кредит. Далее кредит нужно будет погасить путём организации крупной военной операции. Им же не надо захватить до Владивостока. В Москве будут делать вид, что всё это - ерунда. Но если эта ерунда полностью дестабилизирует ситуацию вокруг и внутри, то это не ерунда. Следует предпринять усилия, чтобы сбросить Украину как фактор со счетов. Если, конечно, нет других планов.

    and by the way it is QUICKly voiced - until 2035 .....
  38. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 14 New
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    NATO partners will add used F-16s. Payment for their repair / modernization at the expense of US "aid" (by analogy with Island boats)
  39. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 16: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    NATO partners will add used F-16s. Payment for their repair / modernization at the expense of US "aid" (by analogy with Island boats)

    the freshest "Island" is 28 years old .... do you imagine airplanes that are 28 years old ???)))) change of sewn for soap
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 17: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      change sewed on soap

      after repair and modernization, it’s quite an efficient option. And the transition to NATO standards again
      Yes, and almost for free ...
      In Iran, over F-15s fly for 50 years and are still in service
  40. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 23 May 2020 17: 09 New
    +1
    I wonder who will sell the serious equipment to the monkeys, if at all.
    Poland, of course, can still sell old Soviet planes))
  41. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 May 2020 17: 32 New
    0
    (until 2035) must complete the re-equipment of the Air Force of the Armed Forces. By this year, all obsolete equipment should be withdrawn from the Air Force.

    Ingenious. You wait until the equipment itself falls apart, and you say that it’s all according to your plan.
  42. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 23 May 2020 17: 38 New
    +6
    I don’t care about their Air Force, I didn’t hear something in our zombies, 21.05.20/XNUMX/XNUMX. Major General S.M. Kramarenko, the hero of the Soviet Union, died. This was the last pilot character who received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union for participating in the war in Korea.
  43. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 17: 50 New
    0
    Quote: mark1
    They will give ... The role of Ukraine is a territory for a springboard and a thorn that constantly torments Russia. For a constant "painful" effect, a modern air regiment (better than 3) and a certain number of used frigates are quite enough. And then "dementia and courage" and "support" of the "entire" world community. There will be a lot of stench and hemorrhoids ... and so on all the time.

    Еще раз...ШЕСТЬ долгих лет войны с агрессором и вселенской вони "всего цивилизованного мира" и что по факту дали то???? Вони и геморроя будет много, НО только на словах. Любая попытка воздействия с помощью 3 авиаполков и б/у фрегатов может кончиться потерей государства. Уже был опыт "немножечка поубивать русских" в Грузии.....Димка айфон вжарил только ошметки полетели......126 самолетов вместо всего того что есть прямо сейчас в течении 15 лет - это не то чтобы мало, но это совсем немного
  44. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 18: 01 New
    0
    Quote: mark1
    They will give ... The role of Ukraine is a territory for a springboard and a thorn that constantly torments Russia. For a constant "painful" effect, a modern air regiment (better than 3) and a certain number of used frigates are quite enough. And then "dementia and courage" and "support" of the "entire" world community. There will be a lot of stench and hemorrhoids ... and so on all the time.

    and the next scenario - in 15 years they will have 126 4 ++ level combat aircraft ... what is now in the Russian Air Force out of 4 ++: SU-35 (90 pcs.) SU-27 (101 pcs.) SU-30 ( 111 pieces) MIG-29 (114 pieces) MiG-30 (90 pieces) FIGHTERS - 506 pieces .... SU-34 (122 pieces) SU-24 (168 pieces) SU-25 (194 pieces) FRONT - 484 pieces
  45. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 23 May 2020 18: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    change sewed on soap

    after repair and modernization, it’s quite an efficient option. And the transition to NATO standards again
    Yes, and almost for free ...
    In Iran, over F-15s fly for 50 years and are still in service

    is free???? are you serious))))))) and many have already given away for free ??? ... once again - for 15 years a maximum of 126 aircraft - and I didn’t say that - they said that ... and the aircraft are normal .....
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 20: 24 New
      -1
      no matter how many planes - it’s important to switch to NATO standards. get away from shovels.
      about free - yes, ALMOST free.
      Have you heard about American military assistance? javelins there etc.
      even if it will be necessary to pay extra - in any case it will be a multiple of less than new to buy
  46. tagil
    tagil 23 May 2020 19: 00 New
    +1
    According to the portal defense-ua.com, the implementation of the plan should go through 2035.
    And the territory on which Ukraine is located by then will still be Ukraine. A moot point.
  47. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 23 May 2020 19: 30 New
    0
    they will get what they want. Navy also corresponds to reality))))
  48. camo ridges
    camo ridges 23 May 2020 20: 06 New
    +2
    Dreamy idiocy will never leave these
    amazing inhabitants of a blessed country.
    The main thing is to proclaim and think that all this
    will come true. And inflate from your own significance.
    And rely on Western partners who
    for all the post-maiden years, in fact, not a damn thing for them
    did not and are not going to do. But hardly
    sad reality is able to reason
    these broad lads - they will wag their tails
    in front of their owners and hope for handouts ...
  49. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 20: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    change sewed on soap

    after repair and modernization, it’s quite an efficient option. And the transition to NATO standards again
    Yes, and almost for free ...
    In Iran, over F-15s fly for 50 years and are still in service

    is free???? are you serious))))))) and many have already given away for free ??? ... once again - for 15 years a maximum of 126 aircraft - and I didn’t say that - they said that ... and the aircraft are normal .....

    no matter how many planes - it’s important to switch to NATO standards. get away from shovels.
    about free - yes, ALMOST free.
    Have you heard about American military assistance? javelins there etc.
    even if it will be necessary to pay extra - in any case it will be a multiple of less than new to buy!
  50. nnz226
    nnz226 23 May 2020 20: 49 New
    +2
    V.S. Vysotsky formulated the main question for the implementation of these plans: "Where is the money, Zin ?!"