In Ukrspetsexport: We are between a rock and a hard place of the USA and China, having fallen into a showdown of superpowers

The future of the strategic Ukrainian enterprise Motor Sich, a world-famous manufacturer aviation engines becomes uncertain. It can remain the property of the Chinese, pass to the Americans, or be nationalized.

On May 8, the Shanghai Stock Exchange decided to suspend the so-called listing of shares in the Chinese company Beijing Xinwei Technology Group Co, which is currently considered the main owner of the Ukrainian Motor Sich plant. On May 15, this decision will enter into force. This was due to the financial problems of the enterprise.

Beijing Xinwei Technology Group Co since 2017 becomes unprofitable. Last year, the loss amounted to $ 2,6 billion, which is four and a half times higher than the market value of the company.

Although stopping listing is not considered bankruptcy, it’s the path to it. And if it comes to bankruptcy, which is quite possible, then all the assets of the Chinese company, including the shares of the Ukrainian plant, will be sold at auction.

Before the contract was signed with the Chinese, Motor Sich was offered to buy by the Americans. But for some reason, the company went to the new owners from the Middle Kingdom. They have already paid Ukroboronprom $ 100 million. Another 150 million should come from China this year.

But due to the deteriorating financial situation at Beijing Xinwei Technology Group Co, Ukrainian-Chinese cooperation in the field of engine building may be interrupted. The Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine is ready to recognize the transaction on the purchase of the enterprise as insignificant (not having legal force) due to the exclusion from the exchange listing of the new owner of the plant. This can be considered as a deterioration in the business reputation of the partner, which is the basis for termination of the contract.

Knowing this, the Americans are actively probing the soil about the purchase of the Motor Sich plant, which makes the situation very sensitive for the Ukrainian leadership. But in the USA, most likely, they plan not to develop the enterprise, but to remove it from the market, bringing it to closure.

Whatever is decided in Kiev, it will cause dissatisfaction with either the United States or China. The whole complexity of the situation was briefly outlined by the head of Ukrspetsexport Sergey Bondarchuk:

We were caught between a rock and a hard place in the USA and China, falling into the showdown of two superpowers. Therefore, there is still no solution.

A difficult situation is now at the plant itself, because the Russian market, which the company previously focused on, is closed to it. The question of whether the state will save the enterprise through its nationalization or the provision of state orders remains in the air.

But, according to Sergei Bondarchuk, Motor Sich is hardly worth relying on government orders:

Ukraine prefers to buy French helicopters instead of saving its strategic enterprise.

Comments

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well done! Gotcha. Chubat’s whole country, between a rock and a hard place, Hurry, Ukraine, would have disappeared from the political map of the world. Divide the area between strong powers. But Lviv, only to pshekam. Let show Chubat what is ,, nezalEzhnost ,,,)

[major147]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Soon, Ukraine, would have disappeared from the political map of the world.

And she was not tormented by the thought: "To whom would I surrender !?"

[mitroha]

They have already paid Ukroboronprom $ 100 million. Another 150 million should come from China this year.

That is, the Chinese regularly pay, but

Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine готов recognize the transaction on the purchase of the enterprise as void ... ... This can be considered as a deterioration in the business reputation of the partner, which is the basis for termination of the contract.

Ukraine is looking for reasons to terminate the deal.
Damn it, Ukrainians are people of the word, they gave the word, they took the word back. This is how an impeccable reputation is built up. Reputation scam partner scam.

[major147]

Quote: Mitroha

Ukraine is looking for reasons to terminate the deal.

It's like "eat a fish" .... In short, China is in line for its money for Russia

[TermNachTer]

Since the plant was sold back in 2015, in 2018, the Chinese applied to the AMCU for permission to merge several blocks of shares into one. It’s here in Kuyeva that they’ve gone crazy - it turned out that the Chinese already have 75%.

[revnagan]

Quote: Mitroha

Ukrainians people took the word, gave the word, took the word back.

There was someone to take an example from - some of the guarantees of Russia in the "Budapest Memorandum" .....

[mitroha]

Former US Ambassador to Ukraine Stephen Pifer, who participated in his signing:
“The word“ assurances ”is present in the English text of the memorandum, that is,“ assurances of support ”, but not“ guarantees ”. This is an important difference. For example, our NATO allies have security guarantees. South Korea and Japan, with which the United States has concluded joint defense treaties, have guarantees. In the case of Ukraine, we are talking about assurances. This is a less powerful word. ", - quotes the words of the American diplomat" 112 Ukraine. "

Suddenly, the United States and England do not know anything about guarantees

[revnagan]

Quote: Mitroha

"In the English text of the memorandum

And in Ukrainian and Russian? Oh, yes, yes, yes, the RF Armed Forces did not ratify it, the memorandum is that. Well, what can you do, pichalka, right? But when (much later) the Ukrainian Verkhovna Zrada did not ratify the "Minsk Agreements" and the scoundrels and the same! Did not ratify, you know!

[quote]

Did not read the memorandum? The meaning of the word memorandum is not known or secret?
When there is no future and no worthy present, one must invent a paradise past. Law 404.

[revnagan]

Quote: devis

Did not read the memorandum?

And how long ago did we switch to "you"?

Quote: devis

The meaning of the word memorandum is not known or secret?

Have you decided to find someone stupid yourself here, or was it an idle question? And why could the ratified memorandum be followed, but not the ratified one .... is it not necessary?

Quote: devis

When there is no future and no worthy present, one must invent a paradise past. Law 404.

Generally, past the topic. However, you can write your maxims in a booklet and then publish them in a separate brochure. Maybe someone will be interested .....

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: major147

I was not tormented by the thought: "Who would I give myself to !?"

They should not worry about this issue - after all, no one asks and will not ask, they will be played ...

[antivirus]

We were caught between a rock and a hard place in the USA and China, falling into the showdown of two superpowers.

- AND NEARBY AND THE STORAGE, THE FIRE IS BURNING WITH CARBON AND THE FURS WORK - RUSSIA

[Runoway]

You shouldn't laugh at them, right now they are all about ..... t, and then they will come to the Russian Federation as a prodigal son, and the "generous soul" will forgive and will, heroically trumpeting in the media, help the fraternal people
And to us from this, as always, humanitarian aid masks for 800r for 20pcs

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Gold words. This is what I am afraid of. Repent, for a look. And from the Kremlin they will shout to us, “we are one brotherly people,” And after a while we will wait for a new betrayal, demolition of monuments, rewriting of history and pots on our heads. Thanks maidan- showed what Ukraine is and its citizens. He opened his eyes to us.

[antivirus]

I PURCHASED MASKS 5 PCS -18 RUB, 25 RUB AND 10Р \ 1 PC IN JANUARY
it was expensive for such pieces of rags

[Malyuta]

Quote: antivirus

I PURCHASED MASKS 5 PCS -18 RUB, 25 RUB AND 10Р \ 1 PC IN JANUARY
it was expensive for such pieces of rags

Dear Comrade! You have an extremely up-to-date "NiK", how could you have foreseen it 4 years ago?

[codetalker]

No sharing. All will be part of the South Federal District of the Russian Federation.

[antivirus]

Pridneprovsky and Donetsk (with Rostov region) districts

[Incvizitor]

This country is like a body in an eternal coma that is much more humane to disconnect from life support.

[Runoway]

The same can be said about the Russian economy

[avg]

The Chinese thought that having bribed Boguslaev and 56% of the shares, they would receive everything on a silver platter, forgetting that the laws of the market work as long as they are beneficial to the mattresses.

[Valery Valery]

A difficult situation is now at the plant itself, because the Russian market, which the company previously focused on, is closed to it.

This is not a "difficult situation", this is a complete ass ...

[210ox]

Well, about a complete ass .. There are a huge number of Soviet-built helicopters in operation in the world. So they have a chance. Although the Amerzians can really shut down production. By the way, what about Ivchenko-Progress?

[Prokuror-m]

Quote: 210ox

A huge number of Soviet-built helicopters are operated in the world. So they have a chance. Although the residents may actually slam the production

Have you not slammed? In Ukraine, some names remained from the once most powerful, high-tech industries of the Soviet era ... Specialists all fled part to Russia, someone in the west disappeared after drinking, etc.
So Dmitry, you don’t have to worry about the Outskirts .. They don’t already have ANYTHING there .. Well, they are selling the land now and very actively .. There’s gold = currency resources have risen a little, but soon they will pay IMF loans (Russia naturally will not)) )) ..
Take a walk-the field was and remains.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In general, wisely, the Chubak’s GDP was thrown onto the balance sheet of the EU. Now let them, the Euro-brothers, contain. But, as time has shown, Europe is chubby, only, “dancing,” but not paying. By the way, Judas.

[Pavlik K.]

It's like that. Only, fuck-tarara, why are specialists and technologies with their main developments not yet with us? Well, the Chinese did not create ANYTHING. Just copied and tried to develop. What are we slowing down with our fundamental base in engineering and materials? Is it hard to lure Ukrainians outbid? (Where are turboshaft, where are marine diesel engines, where are turbines? Our officials ... Serdyukov, though a thief, but he did the job ...

[major147]

Quote: Valery Valery

This is not a "difficult situation", this is a complete ass ...

Due to the sale of domestic government bonds to international speculators and the resulting artificial revaluation of the hryvnia, Ukraine’s economy lost about $ XNUMX billion last year.

This was aired by CapitalTV economic expert Viktor Skarshevsky,

[KVU-NSVD]

We were caught between a rock and a hard place in the USA and China, falling into the showdown of two superpowers. Therefore, there is still no solution.

The option to act independently is not even considered. Indeed, what kind of decisions are there for the lackeys in the dispute of lords.

[nikon7717]

What kind of independence is there? Just a cry for independence.
Forgot that the will is when you yourself can choose and go your own way, and not unwittingly go to the pipe of the Pied Piper.

A difficult situation now is at the plant itself, because the Russian market, which the company used to focus on, is closed to it

Tse is not Europe, but the predatory grin of capitalism.

[tihonmarine]

And if it comes to bankruptcy, which is quite possible, then all the assets of the Chinese company, including the shares of the Ukrainian plant, will be sold at auction.

Rather, it is a deliberate collapse, and sale by "hammer" in parts of the entire enterprise.

But in the USA, most likely, they plan not to develop the enterprise, but to remove it from the market, bringing it to closure.

The result is the same, "kyrdyk", and what kind of hammer and anvil is there when Ukraine put itself between these two pieces of iron.
And everything falls into place Ukraine prefers to buy French helicopters instead of saving its strategic enterprise.... And there is no one to blame, since "the eyes themselves have a curve."

[strannik1985]

And everything falls into place

80% of the purchase was paid by the French government and EU banks, Motor Sich can’t.

[Alexga]

Rather, it is a deliberate collapse, and sale by "hammer" in parts of the entire enterprise.

This, in my opinion, is the most likely action.

[major147]

Quote: AlexGa

and sale by "hammer" in parts of the entire enterprise.

That will fix primuses

[barium]

Uzbeks made from an aircraft factory, door lock factory! wisely but .....

[Kondratko]

))) - I’ve been lying around in the country for several years high tech useless "juicer" in the form of a meat grinder, produced by the "Motor Sich" plant - "how disgusting this is your jellied fish ...", I don't even guess who brought it, probably planted in order to spoil! ) So they have already begun to do something, the "comrades" are on the right path.
And it’s hard to talk about repairing primus stoves, because you still need to learn repair methods, but they don’t know how to do this, let them burn tires and ride with pots on empty heads.

[major147]

Quote: KondratKo

manufactured by the "Motor Sich" plant

By the way, in Rostov, I saw the Motor Sich pavilion in the Atlant market, but I disdained to go there

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Dear Major 147, you have too high an opinion about the country of pots and trousers .. they will not even be allowed to repair primuses. Their destiny is the roadsides of European routes (for ladies) and fields with Polish strawberries for the rest. Washing lathes - whoever is lucky. Well, even the construction sites of our country, occasionally ... Although, I think they are starting to kick them out too, under various pretexts ...

[major147]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Dear Major 147, you have too high an opinion about the country of pots and trousers .. they will not even be allowed to repair primuses.

Dear Andrey Nikolaevich You have completely "zanehali" them! They, with their inferiority complex, can go for suicide. And even though they make primus

[tank-master]

terrible burner .. it works ... through .. opa .... I do not recommend taking it .. quality is lower than the baseboard.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Better suicide ... A guarantee that monuments will no longer be demolished. And you regret them, as I look)

[major147]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And you regret them, as I look)

I show their level of degradation, from technology at the global level, to very mediocre, according to a tank-master colleague, primus.
And to the traitors I have no pity, this is the irony :-))))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I support ... Similarly ..

[fn34440]

The Indians will buy iron, and plow the land under the plant and give it to pig farming. This is Ukrainian specialization.

[major147]

Quote: fn34440

give to pig breeding. This is Ukrainian specialization.

This is in the past. They have been buying pork for a long time abroad!

[mitroha]

Quote: fn34440

... and plow the land under the plant and give it to pig breeding. This is Ukrainian specialization

You say too .... give ... Sell, steal the money, take away the land back by the bank from which it is already pledged. Net profit This is Ukrainian specialization, as life shows.

[Incvizitor]

As for the use of land, it is not up to them to decide who will take for nothing and use it, along with the slaves.

[gabonskijfront]

They said the agrarian superpower, which means agrarian and not any discrepancies.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: gabonskijfront

They said the agrarian superpower, which means agrarian and not any discrepancies.

Yes. I don’t know: they lie, do not lie?
https://rusvesna.su/news/1589266168
And how was the whole USSR fed?

[Incvizitor]

Under rape to the Westerners.

[AllBiBek]

If you really call a spade a spade, then there is no hammer and anvil, there is MotorSich in a pose of cancer with lowered bloomers and with an open mouth. And to whom with which hole does not rotate - they stick in both.

Given the habit of stepping many times on all the rakes possible — in general, instead of raising the harem pants and closing the mouth — they will stubbornly regularly change their current body position by exactly 180 °.

[mitroha]

Given the habit of stepping on a rake many times over

As in the old joke:
"Hunter, are you really going here to hunt?" ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

,, change the current position of the body ,, It’s immediately obvious that you are not an expert on ,, the history of ukriya ,, ,, the change in the position of the body ,, is theirs- ,, the struggle for non-EzalEzhness is called.)

[knn54]

It should be easier — the Yankees did not allow Ukraine to sell Motor Sich to China.
And the problems of the Indian sheriff do not care.
Personally, I think that the Chinese have taken out both the documentation and the people, Only they can NOT LEGALIZE without acquisition.

[AllBiBek]

China was so worried at all times with all sorts of legalizations and copyrights, and patent law is generally sacred for any Chinese, it is absorbed into mother’s milk ...

[Kurare]

Quote: knn54

Only LEGALIZE it without acquisition will not.

When did "legalization" stop the Chinese? Here they don't even need to copy and squirm.

[APASUS]

Americans need some part of the technical documentation to never get anywhere. And that’s all. The plant will be sold for shops, housing and stalls .....................

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: APASUS

And that’s all. The plant will be sold for shops, housing and stalls .....................

Still watched the movie "Pretty Woman", but, apparently, most were distracted by the charms of Roberts J. and did not pay attention to the sphere of activity of Gear R. And this is what this respectable gentleman was professionally doing.
"In life - as in the movies" ©.

[Arthur 85]

As in the last film "Wii" pop shouted: "the place is damned!"
Presumably, this state was built on the site of an old Scythian cemetery. And there chimeras constantly resurrect there, such as fascism. And whoever contacts this territory either goes bankrupt or another misfortune comes into the house.

[Avior]

Scythians buried in the mounds.
There are a lot of them, back in Soviet times, archaeologists were digging intensively.
and the plant itself ...

In August 1916, the first DECA M-1921 aircraft engine, a vertical, six-cylinder, was tested at the plant of the Petrograd Joint Stock Company Duflon, Konstantinovich and Co. (abbreviated as DECA) in the plant in Alexandrovsk (since 100 - Zaporozhye) single-row, water cooling, type "Mercedes". His drawings were created under the guidance of engineer Vorobyov. It is interesting to note that the student of the Moscow Imperial Higher Technical School Vladimir Klimov, the future general designer of VK engines, the founder of OKB-117 (now OJSC Klimov, St. Petersburg), who was undergoing factory practice at that time, took part in this work.

[Arthur 85]

Duc no one doubted that all the achievements of Motor Sich - from the USSR / RI. As for the Scythians - there are so many barrows, like many, say, Egyptian pyramids, we call a necropolis - i.e. a cemetery ...
Seriously, I understand perfectly well that the only reason for the independence of Ukraine is the fear of the local oligarchs before the Russian oligarchs. And the rest is dancing around the exchange ... But here we have to write a whole analytical article, and I'm too lazy. Moreover, the whole essence of capitalism has already been described by classics, why become a plagiarist ... So I joke to the best of my sense of humor.

[Avior]

I understand perfectly well that the only reason for the independence of Ukraine is the fear of the local oligarchs before the Russian oligarchs.

I think, most of what we are observing is a direct consequence of their disassemblies.

[Cowbra]

You are between the butcher's hammer and the stew production line, and only because of your stupidity. As partners, you are not interested in either the USA or China, one in general, the second - because your motors are old. By the way. over the past year, the Russian Federation has not sold a single helicopter with a Ukrainian engine - only with Russian and American - with a Ukrainian DO NOT TAKE.
What hammer, what anvil? Get in the jar and don't grunt!

[Alexey RA]

A difficult situation is now at the plant itself, because the Russian market, which the company previously focused on, is closed to it.

Uh-huh ... and the new engines for the same Mi-26 are apparently condensing from the vacuum - just a pair of "engine and anti-engine".
The Russian market is not closed for Motor Sich. It's just that getting to it has become more difficult, you have to build schemes.

[Avior]

Here they mixed.
1. Motor Sich is a joint stock company, not a state-owned enterprise.
2. 25 percent of the shares are owned by Ukroboronprom.
Who dragged here Ukrspetseksport, it is not clear.
however, it is clear
the meaning of everything written is changed by three letters
"EX-head of" Ukrspetsexport "Sergey Bondarchuk"
3. The actual owner was and is Boguslaev, formally being the owner of a small stake.
4. The Chinese paid him money, but have not yet received any shares, the deal has not been completed, so they have no shares.
5.

the company went to the new owners from the Middle Kingdom. They have already paid Ukroboronprom $ 100 million. Another 150 million should come from China this year.

it's not a stock price, it's just a gift of 250 million to a state concern by agreement
Result - the Chinese paid Boguslaev and Ukroboronprom, and have not received anything yet.
As Boguslaev, the owner, walked along the Motor, he walks.
The Chinese are probably fucking crazy about such a business

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Avior

Result - the Chinese paid Boguslaev and Ukroboronprom, and have not received anything yet.
As Boguslaev, the owner, walked along the Motor, he walks.
The Chinese are probably fucking crazy about such a business

Ours, Pomnitsa, tried to reach an agreement with Boguslaev on the production of TV3-117 on the territory of the Russian Federation for a decade and a half. We were also very lucky that we could not agree, and decided to build our plant on the basis of the KB developer of the engine.

[Avior]

I don’t know why it didn’t work out.
He’s aged, of course, but doesn’t sit still - he is trying to upgrade helicopters, he opened a helicopter training center, etc.

[major147]

Quote: Avior

The Chinese are probably fucking crazy about such a business

No, they are accustomed to such a business "in Ukrainian". In the 13th year, they paid the outskirts of the prepayment, but did not receive the promised grain. For several years they were suing, how it ended - I don't know.

[barium]

not all of Russia step into shit, many times, even if the Chinese get dirty !!!!!!!!!!!

[Kurare]

Quote: Avior

4. The Chinese paid him money, but have not yet received any shares, the deal has not been completed, so they have no shares.

It seems that the Chinese were not prompted to read the expressions of Ostap Bender: today - chairs, and tomorrow - money.

[Fmax]

Oh, I want to sit on two chairs! And sit at least one, from the owner of the second hat will fly.

[Vasyan1971]

But due to the deteriorating financial situation at Beijing Xinwei Technology Group Co, Ukrainian-Chinese cooperation in the field of engine building may be interrupted.

In vain the Chinese have contacted the landless. Cursed place. Scabies, they picked it up ...

[HAM]

God forbid it all to end: "Forgive Russia! Help Russia!" - yourself, only yourself.
And it’s quite possible knowing the cunning ...

[barium]

to their own, Russians, traditional - there is no money, but you hold on, you need to help the forelocks, we are brothers ....

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Our GDP, with such a hidden arrogant face, speaks of those who are chubby, that I don’t think that OH- will forgive .. Take a closer look at his facial expressions when he tactfully ,, sculpts the hunchbacked ,, on ukrovoprosy .. But we must give him his due- at the end of his statements adds , necessarily - ,, we are two fraternal peoples ,, In addition, I know the Leningradites well- they can not stand the cunning of southerners ... Mentality, s ...

[Fishery]

in fact, the owner of a private plant will receive 100-250 lyam, payments for his share will be enough for him, he is an elderly man.

[Lord of the Sith]

The Chinese sniffed out all the technical secrets of Motor Sich, a Chinese company can go bankrupt and end up in the water))
Then all the developments will emerge elsewhere in China.

[Palmyra]

The question of whether the state will save the enterprise through its nationalization or the provision of state orders remains in the air.
There are no questions, the state has no money to pay for basic social payments, to service loans. And here, the West does not need competition.

[75 Sergey]

Some are less, others are easier.

[culinary]

Quote: Mitroha

Ukraine is looking for reasons to terminate the deal.
Damn it, Ukrainians are people of the word, they gave the word, they took the word back. This is how an impeccable reputation is built up. Reputation scam partner scam.

Take an example from the hosts because of a large puddle ...

[tolmachiev51]

The blow, of course, was calculated for Russia / engines /. But alas! Calm down the forelock - the hammer was turned off, the Chinese removed the anvil, so that "amen" !!!

[Nitarius]

to cough up .......

[Farhad]

Ukraine and Poland are just sluts that anyone has ... Wider girls legs .... !!!

[Slipper 2]

In other words, we forgive the ducks and this is our choice

[iouris]

Bankruptcy would have come about in any way. The Chinese should be interested only in Soviet technology. And they leaked.