TsAGI announced the definition of the main engine parameters for a supersonic airliner

TsAGI announced the definition of the main engine parameters for a supersonic airliner

The Director General of the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute, Cyril Sypalo, told the media that the formation of the appearance of the power plant for a promising supersonic aircraft was completed. A set of basic parameters and characteristics of the engine for a future tool has been determined. aviation.


Recall that a few years ago, the need for development in the field of supersonic passenger aviation was announced by President Vladimir Putin. According to him, such aircraft in Russia will be relevant in connection with the scale of our country.

The aircraft can be created on the basis of the military concept of Tu-160.

RIA News leads a statement by the TsAGI CEO:

An important requirement for such an aircraft is to provide the required thrust and relatively low specific fuel consumption of the engine at a supersonic cruising flight speed.

According to him, the choice of the type and characteristics of an aircraft engine, the provision of work at critical points of the trajectory without loss of thrust, have a major impact not only on the fuel and economic, but also on the environmental components.

In particular, the parameters of reduced noise, including noise reduction of the so-called exhaust stream, are determined. This is especially true for supersonic aircraft.

Specific parameters and engine characteristics have not yet been named.

Completion of work on the concept of a passenger supersonic airliner is scheduled for 2021. Total expenses for this stage of work are determined at the level of more than 700 million rubles.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 12 May 2020 06: 31 New
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    Beliberdos, as he is.
    including noise reduction of the so-called exhaust jet
    laughing
    1. NordUral 12 May 2020 11: 04 New
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      Strong expression - exhaust pipe! + Vladimir!
      1. seacap 12 May 2020 13: 21 New
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        interesting, but what percentage of power will the catalyst and the silencer take away?
        1. NordUral 12 May 2020 14: 38 New
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          Another 700 million, if not more. Appetite comes with eating.
    2. Pavlik K. 12 May 2020 23: 39 New
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      Yeah, menagers .... Actually, "the expiration of the jet in a turbojet engine or air defense system", emnip.
  2. Zhan 12 May 2020 06: 32 New
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    It would be interesting to see the layout of a promising aircraft.
    Completion of work on the concept of a passenger supersonic airliner is scheduled for 2021. Total expenses for this stage of work are determined at the level of more than 700 million rubles.

    Hmmm, and the amount is not so big at the present time for this type of work.
    1. viktor_ui 12 May 2020 06: 44 New
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      "It would be interesting to see the layout of a promising aircraft." - the wheels are visible, and the rest is finished by fantasy, because they (the landing gear) directly affect the exhaust (financial) of this concept based on the Tu-160 wink
      1. Paul Siebert 12 May 2020 08: 57 New
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        Quote: viktor_ui
        "It would be interesting to see the layout of a promising aircraft." - the wheels are visible, and the rest is finished by fantasy, because they (the landing gear) directly affect the exhaust (financial) of this concept based on the Tu-160

        For me it’s not clear at all - why create an airliner based on the Tu-160 bomber?
        Because Putin decided so?
        It turns out - we are following the path of the early Hitlerite state, when combat vehicles were created on the basis of civilian airliner models.
        Only we launched this process 180 degrees.
        From the military we sculpt the civilian ...
        What for?
        What Treaty of Versailles forces us to do this?
        Why not create a civilian vehicle based on, say, Tu-144?
        It’s more logical after all ...
        It already initially laid the possibility of transporting passengers, not bombs and missiles.
        And in metal, this plane took off.
        Well, think of it, it crashed in Le Bourget.
        It happens.
        1. Mikhail3 12 May 2020 09: 21 New
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          Well, why? It’s necessary to practice bribes! And the compromising evidence, which is abundantly available on our authorities, is also working with might and main. We will toil about this, and we will also master excellent budgets. Proven Method. Either the sultan will die, or the donkey, or it will turn out to America to drive off. Moreover, the sultan "does not betray his own", steal until you burst.
        2. NordUral 12 May 2020 11: 07 New
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          What for?
          For cut, but for what else. We don’t see ordinary airliners either, only tales about difficulties and the damned West that prevent them. Stalin, no matter how disturbed, but nothing came of this matter.
        3. Piramidon 12 May 2020 12: 01 New
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          Quote: Paul Siebert
          It turns out - we are following the path of the early Hitlerite state, when combat vehicles were created on the basis of civilian airliner models.
          Only we launched this process 180 degrees.
          From the military we sculpt the civilian ...

          We have experience. From Tu-16 - Tu-104 and from Tu-95 - Tu-114 made. Quite normal cars for their time. Why not continue.
          1. Marconi41 12 May 2020 13: 06 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            We have experience. From Tu-16 - Tu-104 and from Tu-95 - Tu-114 made. Quite normal cars for their time.

            Absolutely right! The Tu-144 was never brought to mind, and the Tu-160 has been flying for a long time. And if you manage to make economical engines for him, even with a loss of speed, then this will be luck.
            1. Motorist 12 May 2020 21: 43 New
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              if you can make economical engines for him

              Fuel economy at supersonic won't work, just the opposite due to the large wave resistance. This refers to the waves that the aircraft creates. Here either a pipe - or a jug ... request
              1. Marconi41 12 May 2020 21: 51 New
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                Quote: Motorist
                if you can make economical engines for him

                Fuel economy at supersonic won't work, just the opposite due to the large wave resistance. This refers to the waves that the aircraft creates. Here either a pipe - or a jug ... request

                I’m not saying that the economy will be like a simple airplane, but the passenger’s power does not seem to be necessary either.
                1. Motorist 12 May 2020 22: 00 New
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                  And why "a little supersonic"? what The gain in flight time is proportional to speed, and the losses depend on the cube, plus a sharp jump in wave losses. Illogical.
                  1. Marconi41 12 May 2020 22: 01 New
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                    Why a little bit? The speed may remain almost the same, because the load will be much less than that of the TU-160.
                    1. Motorist 12 May 2020 22: 09 New
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                      I'm generally talking about civilian supersonic - it will be a little expensive for passengers. There will be no market, it will justify itself only under communism (without sarcasm). hi
                      1. Marconi41 12 May 2020 22: 12 New
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                        Quote: Motorist
                        I'm generally talking about civilian supersonic - it will be a little expensive for passengers. There will be no market, it will justify itself only under communism (without sarcasm).

                        I don’t argue with this, but Concord did not fly a couple of years. Maybe the Saudi princes will want to move quickly, well, or fat uncles. On the other hand, jet passenger planes were also a curiosity at the time and could not boast of great economy. Time goes by - everything changes.
                      2. Motorist 12 May 2020 22: 17 New
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                        Here I also agree. But this narrow sector of the market must first be occupied, and then held. Task...
                      3. Pavlik K. 12 May 2020 23: 49 New
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                        Do not try commerce on the Bentley F-1-camel race. There is a request for (in this case, speed), it is necessary from apple to London for 2.40. Tu-160 absolutely nothing to do with it. there is a bunch of best practices (even in metal), why not chase (piece goods, there will be demand). I have big doubts not in our engineers, but in our brainless manager-officials.
                      4. Motorist 13 May 2020 00: 20 New
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                        Pavel, I’m not talking about commerce (in the first comment), but about energy saving [in the right sense of the word]. I was taught the "thermodynamic culture" once. There is no point in overspending fuel simply "in jokes." IMHO
      2. Pavel73 13 May 2020 17: 29 New
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        Firstly, the Tu-160 is not designed for continuous flight at supersonic speeds. This is a combat aircraft, not a transport one. Supersound for him is a short-term mode, with devouring the mass of fuel and greatly reducing the flight range. Secondly, the design of the combat Tu-160 differs from the requirements for a passenger aircraft much more than did the Tu-104, for example, differ from its military prototype Tu-16. It is enough to recall the variable geometry of the wing, which greatly complicates and complicates the aircraft. For a combat aircraft, this may be justified, but it is absolutely not needed on a passenger airliner. And thirdly, who and where will fly on it? Which lice? Concord was decommissioned not at all because of the disaster. And because of unprofitability. The ticket price was exorbitant, and was not worth the time savings that it gave compared to, for example, a Boeing 747. Exactly for the same reason the Tu-144 was decommissioned, just because of our poverty we understood this much earlier. Accidents and catastrophes that happened with the Tu-144 would not have led to its cancellation, had it been economically viable. What is the point of stepping on the same rake again?
    2. NEXUS 12 May 2020 13: 28 New
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      Quote: Piramidon
      We have experience. From Tu-16 - Tu-104 and from Tu-95 - Tu-114 made. Quite normal cars for their time. Why not continue.

      Seriously? Have you seen the layout and design of the TU-160? I’m very interested to know where passengers are going to sit there ... yeah ... with the same success, you can also make a passenger airliner from Almaty.
      The very idea of ​​making a passenger version of TU-160 is an idiot, moreover in a chronic form. Starting from the fact that the very layout of this bomber is stupidly such that in order to have passengers take seats there, it is necessary to redesign the design of the entire aircraft, that is, in essence, create a new aircraft. Secondly, is the price of tickets for such drina and most importantly, where do you get 100-200 passengers on such an airplane, so that it would all be profitable? Third ... airfields. This device will not sit on every airfield. Enough for you?
      1. Piramidon 12 May 2020 13: 49 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        Seriously? Have you seen the layout and design of the TU-160? I’m very interested to know where passengers are going to sit there ... yeah ... with the same success, you can also make a passenger airliner from Almaty.

        I saw and studied the design and layout of the Tu-16 and Tu-95, and also flew many times on the Tu-104 and Tu-114. Passengers in them felt quite comfortable (especially in the Tu-114). You, apparently, have a very vague idea about this.
        1. NEXUS 12 May 2020 13: 52 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          I saw and studied the design and layout of the Tu-16 and Tu-95, and also flew many times on the Tu-104 and Tu-114. Passengers in them felt quite comfortable (especially in the Tu-114). You, apparently, have a very vague idea about this.

          Dear, I’m not talking about TU-104 and not about TU-114, but about TU-160! Or is it all the same for you, that subsonic bomber, that supersonic?
          Have you watched fuel consumption at 160? How much will a ticket for this device cost? Where do you get so many rich people on one flight to make it profitable?
          1. Piramidon 12 May 2020 13: 58 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            You fuel consumption watched at 160. How much will a ticket for this device cost?

            And you, apparently, flipped through the topic of the article and immediately began to comment on the comments? About the engines, including the expense in it. I think that no one is going to stupidly change only the fuselage to the Tu160, leaving everything else unchanged
            1. NEXUS 12 May 2020 14: 04 New
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              Quote: Piramidon
              And you, apparently, flipped through the topic of the article and immediately began to comment on the comments? About the engines, including the expense in it. I think that no one is going to stupidly change only the fuselage to the Tu160, leaving everything else unchanged

              That’s what I’m talking about! That is, we’re going to redesign the plane so that it will not be a TU-160, but something completely new. The question is, why do we need this button accordion? Will he pay for himself? It needs appropriate airfields, passengers with a very thick wallet, I don’t even say how much you will and the development of this suitcase without a handle will cost me.
              Patriotism is good then, respected, when there is reasonableness and understanding behind it. And if you read your words about making a civilian TU-160, ... hooray, give it! ... this is not patriotism, but elementary stupid wrecking.
              1. Piramidon 12 May 2020 14: 27 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                The question is, why do we need this button accordion? Will he pay for himself? It needs appropriate airfields, passengers with a very thick wallet

                This is another topic. Initially, our dialogue with you began with your questions about fuel consumption and passenger accommodation. And I answered you. As for yours - why do you need it, then here I will probably agree with you. hi A multi-seat supersonic airliner will not pay for itself in our conditions, and for a “pinocchio”, which they consider money not as banknotes, but as packs, an airplane for two dozen seats, including their dogs, would be enough.
                Py.Sy. Let them think about the re-equipment of the Tu-22M3 lol
                1. Bad_gr 13 May 2020 20: 49 New
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                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Let them think about the re-equipment of the Tu-22M3

                  I would look towards the Su-34. It is possible to get 6-8 seats to clear his huge cabin of military equipment. Of the new, only armchairs and illuminators embed.
                  wink
        2. Nikolaevich I 12 May 2020 17: 53 New
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          And why did you "get into" Tu-104 (Tu-16) and Tu-114 (Tu-95)? When was the same .. (and now, in my opinion, there is ...) Tu -144! Why not refine it ?! Moreover, they already started to do it ... but did not have time! Tu-244 I mean! There were also messages appearing after the president’s “Wishlist” that the Tu-244 would be finalized ... One can recall the “promises” of the administrative class (this is Soviet ...) or the “business class” - “western” .. .that is Tu-344, Tu-444 ... Tu-344, as I recall, was going to be made on the basis of Tu-22M3 ...
          1. Piramidon 12 May 2020 19: 29 New
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            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            And why did you "get into" Tu-104 (Tu-16) and Tu-114 (Tu-95)?

            It was just an example of the transformation of a military aircraft into a civilian one, rather than “vturing”. Read our dialogue in full and see what my answer was given to.
          2. Marconi41 12 May 2020 21: 56 New
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            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Tu -144! Why not refine it ?!

            Tu-144 unfortunately did not bring to mind. That is why it was first transferred to freight transportation (carried mail), and then the program was completely closed. So to return to it is the same as to return to the “Buran” - beautifully, but not really.
            1. Nikolaevich I 13 May 2020 02: 40 New
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              Quote: Marconi41
              Tu-144 unfortunately did not bring to mind. So to return to it, it’s the same as to return to the “Buran” - beautifully, but not really

              Maybe ... But there was a Tu-244 project! From my own experience I know that, sometimes, when you undertake to redo something, correct it, then you quickly come to the conclusion that it will be more expedient to do everything anew ... "from scratch"! It is possible that aircraft designers also thought so ... and having abandoned the Tu-144, they took on the Tu-244 ... but did not have time!
    3. seacap 12 May 2020 13: 28 New
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      yes, only the requirements for a commercial airliner and a missile carrier are completely different, in particular fuel consumption and engine noise, even if not to mention the economic component of operation, the Soviet Union and its company Aeroflot could afford it, and for a modern country, replacing the An-2 problem.
    4. orionvitt 12 May 2020 14: 20 New
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      Quote: Piramidon
      Why not continue

      The whole question is that supersonic liners are absolutely not cost-effective. The operation of the Concord was ensured by the exceptionally huge cost of tickets. And here, flights TU-144, and in general, are “political expediency”. Putin blurted out the insignificant that they say "it would not be bad," so it went. Of course yes, it is possible and even necessary to continue, but not at the current level of aviation technology, which, to be honest, has not changed much over the past 60 years. Either there will be a technological breakthrough (new physical principles, or something else), or all this is simple chatter.
      1. NEXUS 12 May 2020 14: 49 New
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        Quote: orionvitt
        The whole question is that supersonic liners are absolutely not cost-effective.

        To date, profitability in supersonic civil aviation can be ONLY in the JET option for 20-30 people. And then, for some corporations, and not for mere mortals.
  3. VO3A 12 May 2020 14: 17 New
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    The aircraft can be created on the basis of the military concept of Tu-160.

    The concept of TU-160 is imperfect ... There are many opinions about the futility, uselessness and excessive cost of this dinosaur with an outdated design ... This is a political symbol of the country, no more ... From a military point of view, it is useless .... Renewal, and more precisely, the restoration of its production is necessary in preparation for the creation of PAK YES ... And .. everything ... Maybe five new ones will be made .... And so this dinosaur with an irrational and outdated variable wing sweep is not needed by anyone ..
  4. Alexandra 13 May 2020 17: 37 New
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    Quote: Zhan
    It would be interesting to see the layout of a promising aircraft.


  5. Bad_gr 13 May 2020 20: 34 New
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    Quote: Paul Siebert
    From the military we sculpt the civilian ...

    Not the first time:
    Tu-114 and Tu-104 civil aircraft created on the basis of bombers.
    That's about creating a civilian based on the T-160, I doubt it very much. If they create a supersonic civilian, then it will most likely be a small plane (for wealthy businessmen who save their time)
  • Mitroha 12 May 2020 06: 45 New
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    some years ago the need for development in the field of supersonic passenger aviation was announced by President Vladimir Putin

    CAI General Director Kirill Sypalo informed appearance formation completed power plant for a promising supersonic aircraft. A set of basic parameters and engine characteristics

    Rukalitsa. With such a speed of work, it is possible to transfer "promising" developments by inheritance.
  • ancient 12 May 2020 12: 05 New
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    Quote: Zhan
    concept work

    For the "preparatory" work .... the money is just .... "very big" (to find out if it is needed at all, what we get from it, if it will be possible, etc. but ... right there it is reported that - .. "The Director General of the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute, Cyril Sypalo, told media representatives that that the formation of the appearance of the power plant is completed for a promising supersonic aircraft. Is that how ???? There is no concept yet, but .. the “look” has already been formed, and even ..... “A set of basic parameters and characteristics of the engine for a future means of aviation has also been determined.”
    What about TTT? or "senior said" and .... "rushed"? recourse
  • Sky strike fighter 12 May 2020 17: 12 New
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    Quote: Zhan
    It would be interesting to see the layout of a promising aircraft.
    Completion of work on the concept of a passenger supersonic airliner is scheduled for 2021. Total expenses for this stage of work are determined at the level of more than 700 million rubles.

    Hmmm, and the amount is not so big at the present time for this type of work.


    You can score in a search engine and see the demonstrator of the GMS technology complex “Strizh”, the model of which was presented at MAKS-2019.
    In Russia, in the framework of scientific research, in addition to case studies in the interests of developing the key technologies of the new generation of GHS, much attention is also paid to the creation of an integrated flight demonstrator aircraft. So, in 2019, TsAGI developed a technical proposal for a demonstrator of the GHS “Strizh” technology complex, the model of which was presented at MAKS-2019. The successful implementation of the program of this flight demonstrator will allow, in a short time and ahead of world competitors, to develop a competitive lightweight GHS, to form a unique scientific and technical groundwork for a high level of technological readiness in the interests of creating a middle and heavy class GHS.

    - Why can not just modify an existing aircraft, for example, the Tu-160?
    - The existing scientific and technical backlog obtained during the creation of military aviation equipment facilities is not sufficient to create a technology demonstrator, and even more so, an efficient and promising general purpose GHS, and can only be used partially in the development of aircraft systems and power plants. In addition, it is necessary that the full range of key technologies and technical solutions should be implemented at the technology demonstrator, which should be worked out in the field to confirm their effectiveness and feasibility.

    - When can such a demonstrator appear and on the basis of which aircraft is it planned to be created?
    - According to our calculations and with the availability of funding, such a demonstrator should appear by 2023. Obviously, this experimental aircraft is cheaper and easier to do on the basis of a donor aircraft, since the main goal is to verify in the flight experiment the correctness of the critical technologies selected: aerodynamic appearance, location, shape and size of air intakes, nozzle devices and the like. Most likely, such a donor will be the MiG-29 along with standard engines, those aircraft and on-board systems with which it is equipped. Of course, you can’t talk about a full-fledged supersonic business aircraft here, it is rather a prototype demonstrator.

    https://www.aex.ru/m/fdocs/2/2020/5/12/31328/
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    Alf 12 May 2020 20: 02 New
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    Quote: Zhan
    It would be interesting to see the layout of a promising aircraft.
    Completion of work on the concept of a passenger supersonic airliner is scheduled for 2021. Total expenses for this stage of work are determined at the level of more than 700 million rubles.

    Hmmm, and the amount is not so big at the present time for this type of work.

    This is just the beginning ...
  • Mavrikiy 12 May 2020 06: 32 New
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    Another stupid thing from a professional.
    Russian scientist, teacher and scientific and administrative figure in the field of spacecraft control systems, professor at the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI), doctor of technical sciences, professor at the Russian Academy of Sciences [2], corresponding member [3] of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
    Although the loot is necessary to cut.
    Recall that a few years ago, the need for development in the field of supersonic passenger aviation was announced by President Vladimir Putin. According to him, such aircraft in Russia will be relevant in connection with the scale of our country.
    They slipped a piece of GDP into GDP, he read out the noodles, and ... we cannot replace AN-2, eh ..... recourse
    1. K-612-O 12 May 2020 06: 37 New
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      With him, our eternal problem is the engine.
      1. Zhan 12 May 2020 06: 51 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        With him, our eternal problem is the engine.

        hi
        And not only ours. smile At all times, or a problem in the engine or in the gasket, between the helm and the seat ... laughing
        1. Pete mitchell 12 May 2020 10: 42 New
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          Quote: Zhan
          or in the gasket, between the helm and the chair ...

          Well, suggest solutions, conduct a comparative analysis of the training of modern pilots ...
          The fact that individual characters do not cope is not a reason make sounds by the brain, this is a system problem that needs to be solved, not ...
        2. ancient 12 May 2020 12: 11 New
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          At all times, or a problem in the engine

          And the "problems" in the systems of take-off and landing mechanization and wing mechanization? And in the exhaust and landing gear systems? What about fuel automation? What about self-propelled guns? etc. etc.
          Quote: Zhan
          between the helm and the chair.

          Very .. "foul" expression .. I apologize for my .. "French" ... VERY negative
          1. Pete mitchell 12 May 2020 18: 29 New
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            Quote: ancient
            Quote: Zhan
            between the helm and the chair.

            Very .. "foul" expression .. I apologize for my .. "French" ... VERY

            You’re diplomatic, he didn’t deserve it. We all drive cars, but Mickey Lauda are real units, and only they drive cars. The man who did not pass school and who didn’t make decisions on his own - please refrain ...
            1. ancient 12 May 2020 19: 07 New
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              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Ec you diplomatically

              Whose .. "school"? wink
              1. Ruslan67 12 May 2020 19: 12 New
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                Quote: ancient
                Whose .. "school"?

                My repeat laughing
                1. Pete mitchell 12 May 2020 19: 47 New
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                  You know, as a lieutenant I thought twice before opening my mouth, it wasn’t customary, although they listened as expected, tradition however ...
    2. Doccor18 12 May 2020 07: 00 New
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      The USSR is much larger in territory, but there, according to TU-144, back in 1978, the torment was completed. And here is the "super rich"
      Russia decided to create something fundamentally new ...
      It would be better if the normal passenger airliner was brought to mind.
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        MC21 is already flying, and supersonic is being made for the oligarchs of the planet, the Russian Federation can produce supersonic business jet for export, in the USA they are also working on such a business plane
        1. Piramidon 12 May 2020 14: 47 New
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          Quote: 1_2
          supersonic make for the oligarchs of the planet

          These large crowds do not fly. It would be quite enough to convert the bomb bay into a passenger compartment on some sort of Su-34, well, or, in extreme cases, the Tu-22M3. lol There is a precedent, again. With minimal effort, the Tu-95 turned into the Tu-116.

          1. ancient 12 May 2020 19: 11 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            There is a precedent, again. With minimal effort, the Tu-95 turned into the Tu-116.

            Yes, but there is ...... a nuance .... the passenger compartment hatch is closed and that’s all ... "freedom wassat drinks "... upon arrival, the passengers were barely warm .." swam out ", although before departure from the Far East KK" instructed for a long time - "why ... crawling, but why .. lowering" and the point? wink
  • Crystal of Truth 12 May 2020 07: 11 New
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    Is it all interesting for the money? All this nonsense
  • Undecim 12 May 2020 07: 18 New
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    The Director General of the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute, Cyril Sypalo, told the media that the formation of the appearance of the power plant for a promising supersonic aircraft was completed. A set of basic parameters and characteristics of the engine for a future aircraft was also determined.
    The author of this masterpiece of hollow, amateurish verbiage is impossible to recognize. In two or three days, he will also issue a detailed article on the same topic.
    In the process of developing any technical product, such a stage as “shaping” does not exist.
    There is a stage of a technical proposal when a set of design documents is created containing an analysis of various options for possible solutions to a customer’s technical specifications, feasibility studies of the proposed options, patent search, etc.
    There is a stage of technical design, that is, the creation of design documents that should contain final technical solutions that give a complete picture of the device of the product being developed and the initial data for the development of working documentation.
    And there is a stage of development of working design documentation - a set of design documents intended for the manufacture and testing of a prototype, installation batch, serial (mass) production of products.
    And appearance is appearance, shape, appearance. What form formation can be discussed in this case?
    A phrase "A set of basic parameters and characteristics of the engine for the future means of aviation" - This is generally a masterpiece of masterpieces.
    A set of basic parameters and engine characteristics for a supersonic aircraft was determined almost a hundred years ago, when in 1937 Frank Whittle launched the first working model. And then it became completely clear that the “set of basic parameters and engine characteristics for the future means of aviation” consists of the following parameters:
    Engine thrust.
    Specific fuel consumption (mass of fuel consumed per unit of time to create a unit of thrust / power)
    Air consumption (mass of air passing through each of the engine sections per unit time)
    The degree of increase in total pressure in the compressor
    The gas temperature at the outlet of the combustion chamber.
    Weight and dimensions.
    Since then, nothing has changed. The set remained the same.
    1. Yok Migarek 12 May 2020 10: 15 New
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      Quote: Undecim

      In the process of developing any technical product, such a stage as “shaping” does not exist.
      There is a stage of a technical proposal when a set of design documents is created, ...........

      Do not forget that such articles are written not by professionals, but by journalists. And often, very far from understanding the topic. Do not judge them severely!
      You and I perfectly understood what was at stake.
    2. Piramidon 12 May 2020 12: 08 New
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      The author of this masterpiece of hollow, amateurish verbiage is impossible to recognize.

      The article is not intended for professionals, but for the general reader, therefore, it was written not in the style of a scientific report, but in a simplified, accessible language.
      1. Undecim 12 May 2020 12: 19 New
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        Do you think that if the article is not for mathematicians, then you can write that two times two is approximately from zero to infinity?
        Writing articles on complex technical and scientific issues for an unprofessional audience is a very difficult question, sorry for the tautology. Previously, it was called the popularization of science - the provision of scientific and technical information in an understandable and interesting way to society.
        Milutin Milankovich, Sergey Petrovich Kapitsa, Stephen Hawking, Nikolai Drozdov, Vladimir Surdin and many others - luminaries, popularizers of science. Of modern journalists - Asya Kazantseva.
        And what this author writes is verbiage, which has nothing to do with the stated theme, except for a name that has nothing. This must not be printed! Children can read!
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    If a private company acts as the customer for research, it also finances them and is vitally interested in returning the invested funds profitably on the planes launched as a result of these studies. In this case, as I understand it, the customer is the state? And what is there to investigate for 700 lyam - TK parameters? I’m wondering how many times they will change during the development process?
  • unhappy 12 May 2020 07: 26 New
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    Advisers to Putin or on the paw received or stupid people. I remember the chords flying over the ocean due to the formation of a shock wave when moving on supersonic. You walk along the street - an explosion! And this is just a concord in the sky flying.
    1. Yok Migarek 12 May 2020 10: 18 New
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      Quote: unhappy
      Advisers to Putin or on the paw received or stupid people. I remember the chords flying over the ocean due to the formation of a shock wave when moving on supersonic. You walk along the street - an explosion! And this is just a concord in the sky flying.

      Flying in a super-sound is allowed at a height of at least 11 m! Believe me, you will not hear any explosion, even when it occurs directly above your head. And Concordas flew over the ocean, because over land from Europe to America there is no way.
      1. ancient 12 May 2020 12: 22 New
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        Flying in a super-sound is allowed at a height of at least 11 m! Believe me, you will not hear any explosion

        It depends on what type, especially on the Tu-22M2 (when there were still refueling rods) ... a double jump ..... when performing P / Z according to the military test program in 1979 (ALC Kalinovka, Crimea) when switching to supersonic mode , at echelons 11 + 000 a convoy of couples (350nd detachment) ... "put together" a cannery in the city of Genichensk (there were no casualties), after which "similar flights" were carried out only at the training grounds of the Air Force General Research Institute.
        And so .. when flying according to the UBP plan (flying to the zone at supersonic speed) the Poltava-Sumy zone and vice versa ... this is how the local residents of Sumy received complaints about “explosions” and broken glasses. wink
        PS Then "accidentally" learned ... that the plane doesn’t want to switch to supersonic with a sweep of 20gr. wassat
      2. unhappy 12 May 2020 14: 34 New
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        I remember two reasons for the end of the concord and one. (watched movies)
        The first is low profitability.
        The second is the shock wave from supersonic. There were flights to Alma-Ata and one of the reasons for the cancellation was that everyone on the flight track heard and was not happy ...
  • Ross xnumx 12 May 2020 07: 27 New
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    Recall that a few years ago, the need for development in the field of supersonic passenger aviation was announced by President Vladimir Putin. According to him, such aircraft in Russia will be relevant in connection with the scale of our country.

    How is it? Will they still be in demand? How is the SSJ-100 or MS-21? belay And here, in the first half of the twentieth century, the titans of thought prophesied:
    This is the result of thirty-five years of aviation development. History devoted half of this time to the formation of the Air Fleet of socialism, the creation of its mighty power.
    They — Lenin and Stalin — gave brilliant examples of the use of the Red Air Fleet with its backward then material part in the harsh conditions of the civil war, in the unequal struggle with the interventionists of 14 countries.
    They — Lenin and Stalin — in the early days of the use of aviation discerned its enormous significance in the upcoming class battles.
    They - Lenin and Stalin - showed the socialist homeland of the great scientists - the father of Russian aviation prof. N.E. Zhukovsky and the famous scientist K.E. Tsiolkovsky, who won fame and priority for the Russian genius in aviation and aeronautics.

    Only with them, domestic aviation began and was created, giving the USSR dozens of samples of domestic aircraft manufacturing, and here:
    Completion of the concept of a passenger supersonic airliner outlined for the year 2021. Total expenses for this stage of work are determined at the level of more than 700 million rubles.

    And somewhere else, the concepts of warships and models of promising products are gathering dust ...
  • prior 12 May 2020 07: 44 New
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    In my opinion, the requirement to “reduce exhaust jet noise” should be the last in the list of requirements for a military aircraft, if at all.
    With the noise of jet engines, our pilots reassured the Chinese even during the conflict at Lake Zhalanashkol.
    The roar of jet engines is also a weapon.
    1. Cartalon 12 May 2020 07: 53 New
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      Where is it about a military plane mentioned?
      1. prior 12 May 2020 07: 57 New
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        Alas, you are right. The thought was ahead of my eyes. I thought - the engine for PAK YES.
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  • Sergey Valov 12 May 2020 08: 46 New
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    Actually, TsIAM should be engaged in this work, but apparently "Bobby is dead." In theory, such work is useful, it does not allow the brain to atrophy, but they will not wait to wait for a practical exhaust.
  • Maks1995 12 May 2020 08: 48 New
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    700 million not for blueprints, but for only for the concept - that's cool.
    10 million bucks for marketing research - and what you need ....

    Not bad....
    1. Sergey Valov 12 May 2020 09: 08 New
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      Prior to the design of a specific engine, variants of the proposed nozzles, vanes, metals, cooling systems, etc. are being worked out. Variants of all these elements are created in "metal" and tested on stands. This work takes a lot of time and money, and in theory, it should be carried out constantly, regardless of the "plans of the party and government," which was the case before.
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        options for the proposed nozzles, blades, metals, cooling systems, etc.

        This is the direct task of TsIAM. But, apparently, the director of TsAGI is much closer to budget financing than the director of TsIAM (at least for now).
        1. Sergey Valov 12 May 2020 14: 44 New
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          The situation is much worse. TsIAM is now organizationally subordinate to TsAGI, plus there are complete seams with personnel in TsIAM; at least two generations have passed by, many stands have stopped forever. So, most likely, either the author of the article is not aware of the realities, or TsAGI begins to engage in tasks unusual for him.
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            TsIAM TsAGI is not subordinate. Over one and another office, an office was organized under the name "N.E. Zhukovsky Institute." This roof does not have stands and computer centers, not for that it was created. The situation in both TsAGI and TsIAM is approximately the same; part of the young people, for example, TsIAM has recently lured to itself from TsAGI.
            TsAGI begins to engage in unusual tasks.

            This has been happening for a long time - in a unique installation left over from the Buran program, oak parquet was dried for a long time, 20 years, no less. Then the owner of this LLC escaped with decent means.
            1. Sergey Valov 12 May 2020 16: 37 New
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              “TsIAM TsAGI is not subordinate” - I won’t argue, I’ll ask, on occasion, my colleagues.
              “The situation in both TsAGI and TsIAM is about the same” - sad, I did not know that TsAGI was just as bad.
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                This office is a gasket over institutes, I don’t know about LII, it is under this gasket, or outside. But there is no better place than in the mentioned institutions.
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                  Thank you, very sad.
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        Prior to the design of a specific engine, variants of the proposed nozzles, vanes, metals, cooling systems, etc. are being worked out.

        So yes, but .. what does TsAGI have to do with it? belay
        1. Sergey Valov 12 May 2020 14: 39 New
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          Have you read the article title?
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            Have you read the article title?

            Yes ... and not just the headline, so what? request
            1. Sergey Valov 12 May 2020 19: 45 New
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              And the fact that we are talking about TsAGI.
  • Ros 56 12 May 2020 09: 34 New
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    In principle, a supersonic passenger plane was created long ago, even 50 years ago with us, the Tu-144 and in the west of Concord. The main thing now is to create an economical engine, but where is the guarantee that once again there will not be some kind of crap lying on the strip, because of which another disaster can happen. Although I have doubts about this version. Imagine how many sorties take place around the world, both military and civilian, and it had to happen to Concord.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 12 May 2020 10: 59 New
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    Friends do I have bumps or something ???? In the headline about the "engine" in the photo "wheels" .... Maybe it's time for me to go to a mental hospital because of an inadequate understanding of the relationship between words and photos ?????)))))
  • NordUral 12 May 2020 11: 02 New
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    Balabol at balabol (I'm not talking about comments).
  • yfast 12 May 2020 11: 27 New
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    Quote: Undecim
    Since then, nothing has changed. The set remained the same.

    But 700 million. disappeared somewhere ...
    1. notingem 12 May 2020 12: 03 New
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      Shaw again? Come in if that
  • g_ae 12 May 2020 12: 44 New
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    Cyril Showered, Ambrose Vybegallo. Probably relatives.
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    Hmmm, and the amount is not so big at the present time for this type of work.

    Well, yes! "Creating a concept" - and creating a flying model will result in hundreds of billion dollars. Will we build on budget money? And then we will give it to air carriers for free? Good market, budget development at the expense of taxpayers! hi