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Why Russian Tigers Stuck in Syrian Mud: Thoughts and Facts

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The Russian military presence in Syria does not last for the first year. During this time, more than once there have been incidents with the US military, which blocked the path of our military equipment. Armored vehicles were forced to drive to the side of the road.


January 18, 2020. A Russian military patrol left Amuda and headed for the Jul Aga oil field in the Rumeilan city of Hasaka province. However, our troops couldn’t calmly pass along the route - the American troops blocked their way. It is known that in the vicinity of Rumeilan, in the territory controlled by the Kurdish National Self-Defense Forces, there is a military base of the American army.

This is not an isolated incident. The US military blocked the way for a patrol of the Russian military police, which left the city of Kamyshly. At the crossroads of Tel-Baidar, American armored vehicles blocked the road. After a skirmish, the Russian military were forced to turn around and head back.

February 2020 An armored car "Tiger" and three armored personnel carriers with Russian flags follow in the direction of the village of Amuda in the province of Hasaka. Ahead is a few armored vehicles of the American army.



Suddenly, an American armored car blocks the way for the Russian armored car and literally pushes it to the side of the road, and then into the field. The representative of the Central Command of the US Armed Forces Bill Urban declined to comment on the incident. Russian armored vehicles stuck in the mud. In one of the episodes, Typhoon came to the rescue. Why are the Tigers stuck in Syrian mud?

It is believed that the Americans specifically chose the place where the soil was the most loose - agricultural areas that were excessively wet in the winter. Any attempt to detour could lead to the fact that the technique is literally stuck in loose soil, which ultimately happened.

The attempt of the Russian Tigers to get out on their own led only to a worsening of the situation - the armored vehicles themselves "buried" even deeper. And here the power of the YaMZ-5347-10 engine in combination with other parameters of the Tigers led precisely to the fact that the wheels of the car were not pulled out to suitable ground, but they themselves were tied deeper and deeper into the firebox and viscous environment. It has been suggested that under such conditions it was necessary to take into account the engine power and operate with this parameter, so that excessive efforts on the gas did not lead to more “failure” of the wheels of the armored car.

Why Russian Tigers Stuck in Syrian Mud: Thoughts and Facts


Realizing that they could not do without the help of other equipment - able to cope with such soil without harming itself, and decided to trust the more powerful Typhoons-K. They did it. Against the background of malicious snouts of the American military and fighters.



It is possible to enumerate such situations for a long time, but it doesn’t matter where and when they took place, and, most importantly, why the American military considers it right to behave this way with respect to Russian military patrols, and why the Russian army allows (with rare exceptions, since bickering on the road also took place: there was a case when the Russian armored personnel carrier went to the ram of American equipment) similar attacks to themselves. Of course, the most important thing is the information effect. Not for nothing that many world media after each such incident write about the “slap in the face” that the Americans allegedly inflicted on the Russians, pushing them to the side of the road. And this is to some extent, indeed, true.

The East loves money, but understands power, a Soviet officer once argued, one of the heroes of the Book of the Afghan Campaign by Alexander Prokhanov. The East sees power in those who behave in this way. If the Americans push the Russians out of the way or turn them back, then they have the strength. And this despite the fact that the US army on Syrian soil seems to be occupiers, and the Russian military is legally present, in agreement with the legitimate government, President Bashar al-Assad.

But the main thing for the American military is to demonstrate strength, to show that it is they who are the true masters in the territories where they are present. For the Russian military, it is thus designated a secondary, if not third-rate (after the Turks) place.

The second possible reason for such actions is the provocation of the Russian military to some kind of aggressive action against American soldiers. One can only imagine what howl would rise in the West if the Russian military would use weapon or even just physical strength, pushing Americans out of their way. However, it is unlikely that the American command is so naive that it expects to provoke the Russians to such actions.

Therefore, American patrols resort to such actions, putting the Russians in front of the plug: to enter into conflict - to provoke a colossal scandal with accusations against Russia, to pull over to the sidelines or turn back - to suffer image losses and then to hear the malevolent laughter of the audience hating Russia - from the Syrian "opposition" "- terrorists to domestic" liberals ".

The position “do not succumb to provocations”, which is so often voiced by the Russian leadership and military command, in a number of situations, of course, deserves attention, but is it valid in this case? After all, every such episode is a spit in the face of Moscow, which not only belittles the pride of our military and our military, but also demonstrates to the Syrians, Kurds, Turks, the whole Middle East, who is boss.

Of course, no one in their right mind says that it is necessary to engage in battle with American patrols, to arrange clashes of armored vehicles, but it is necessary to respond to such incidents. How to react, even if the command of the contingent and the higher authorities in Moscow decide, but you should not ignore such actions, which are also fraught with image losses.
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  1. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov April 30 2020 11: 02 New
    -26
    Well, if we de-energized "Cook", why shouldn't we stop this mattress junk, let them figure out where the spark went))
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      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 30 2020 11: 38 New
        15
        Why Russian Tigers Stuck in Syrian Mud: Thoughts and Facts

        No. No. No. It was not a bobbin ... No.

        Someone can seriously say that "Tiger" is not able to overcome the usual curb, which the kids laughing, jump on scooters?
        And then what is the matter?

        Apparently in the "gasket" that bought the license, I didn't buy it ...

        1. ZaDedov
          ZaDedov April 30 2020 11: 46 New
          +8
          Informative video soldier
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 30 2020 12: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Apparently in the "gasket"

          A bad dancer gets in the way.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 30 2020 12: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            A bad dancer gets in the way.

            I watch the video, and more and more I am convinced of this yes

            "Belarusian dirt", "Tiger" overcomes with ease, but in "Syrian" for some reason it gets stuck ...

            I would have forced those "riders" who are not able to overcome even the minimum off-road to pull the "Tiger" by the rope, "into hand-to-hand combat" ...

            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev April 30 2020 13: 00 New
              21
              In Belarus, the dirt is different. And it’s really different, to our Middle Eastern hamra (in Russian it is called alumina) it is very far from it both in viscosity and weight. Therefore, after a good rain through our fields it is better to ride on something tracked and with a high power density.
              1. sabakina
                sabakina April 30 2020 19: 36 New
                18
                Zeev Zeev, I will say it as a driver. And what, our loam or swamps are losing out to your fields in passability? The driver made one big mistake, he slowed down. This is a sentence! In the place of the commander, I would give the command "Let him ram". And then let the mattresses justify themselves!
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev April 30 2020 19: 54 New
                  +7
                  I do not know where these are your swamps and your loam. I can tell about the soils and swamps of Belarus in about twenty places of the Republic (not counting the surroundings of my native city). They didn’t stand near the Middle Eastern soil.
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina April 30 2020 19: 59 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    I do not know where these are your swamps and your loam. I can tell about the soils and swamps of Belarus in about twenty places of the Republic (not counting the surroundings of my native city). They didn’t stand near the Middle Eastern soil.

                    Yes, sho you say! Our Belarusian Pashka (or as Mr. Roman Skomorokhov, the leader of the gang) gutted that all the swamps had been drained long ago! I invite you to the "Susanin Trophy"! You can come on the Merkava!
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev April 30 2020 21: 12 New
                      +2
                      I can at least now point out a couple of locations where the swamps are in the same place as twenty years ago. With mud, frogs and cattail. And even in the city limits of Minsk. By the way, according to a letter issued to Susanin’s relatives, his ancestors of Belarus (Lithuanian people) were tortured to death. Without any walks through the swamp.
                    2. sso-xnumx
                      sso-xnumx 1 May 2020 21: 43 New
                      -1
                      Quote: sabakina
                      You can come to Merkava!

                      Well, it’ll drown there !!!
                2. jovanni
                  jovanni 1 May 2020 20: 30 New
                  +6
                  Quote: sabakina
                  In the place of the commander, I would give the command "Let him ram". And then let the mattresses justify themselves!

                  The fact of the matter is that one gets the impression that those who send soldiers to the raid have this loam in their heads. When they plan an operation, do they not assume such a situation? Or, again, the only indication "not to give in to provocations"? Then it is generally better not to leave the base. Maybe there will be fewer provocations ...
              2. www3
                www3 1 May 2020 12: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                In Belarus, the dirt is different. And it’s really different, to our Middle Eastern hamra (in Russian it is called alumina) it is very far from it both in viscosity and weight. Therefore, after a good rain through our fields it is better to ride on something tracked and with a high power density.


                laughed, you probably have not been to the peat bogs, where even the "cutlets" 800 meters for several hours go practically on winches))
                and we call it - govnolin))
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 1 May 2020 13: 31 New
                  +2
                  I have been to peatlands. And not by car, but by legs with a backpack.
                2. Nike
                  Nike 2 May 2020 08: 41 New
                  0
                  Peat and clay or wet chernozem is a very big difference.
            2. Saxahorse
              Saxahorse April 30 2020 22: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              "Belarusian dirt", "Tiger" overcomes with ease, but in "Syrian" for some reason it gets stuck ...

              The race is some kind. It is well known that a heavy biaxial vehicle is much inferior to three and four-axle in cross-country ability. Which did not prevent the mass replacement of the Urals 6x6 with KAMAZ 4x4. Yes, a little cheaper, but this KAMAZ, without a tractor, will not go far from the highway.
            3. Private-K
              Private-K 4 May 2020 08: 42 New
              +1
              At the 5th minute of the video you submitted, there is exactly the same situation, with the same type of "mud" that happened in Syria and the Tiger ... got stuck, needed a self-pulling winch.
              The conclusion was made a long time ago and it is unequivocal: a wheeled vehicle for high passability needs not two, but four axles. And that does not guarantee - see Stricker.
          2. Nehist
            Nehist April 30 2020 14: 57 New
            0
            Frankly unsuccessful car !!! Even when the riot police were there, she was there, so they spit on her ... Fuck her into the army and stuffed it is not clear, apparently someone was lobbying
          3. Nick
            Nick April 30 2020 15: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Insurgent
            Apparently in the "gasket"

            A bad dancer gets in the way.

            Aha! yes What's between the legs.
        3. Doctor
          Doctor April 30 2020 12: 35 New
          11
          And then what is the matter?

          In that it is heavy and biaxial. The specific ground pressure is high.
          There is an answer to what a modern armored personnel carrier should be, wheeled or tracked.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 30 2020 17: 54 New
            14
            Quote: Arzt

            There is an answer to what a modern armored personnel carrier should be, wheeled or tracked.

            It is necessary to answer the author's question - "Let the command of the contingent and the higher authorities in Moscow decide how to react, but such actions, fraught with image losses, should not be ignored."
            How to react, how to react, but simply - ahead of the patrol to launch something superior in mass and power to the mattress technique. And it makes no difference to me whether it will be tracked or wheeled. The main thing is that she should show the mattresses who is the boss in the house, Syria. We have such a technique. And I am outraged that our Syrian command, after the first incident with a patrol driven into the mud, did not take measures and did not drive the mattresses into the same mud.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor April 30 2020 18: 31 New
              +1
              It is necessary to answer the author's question - "Let the command of the contingent and the higher authorities in Moscow decide how to react, but such actions, fraught with image losses, should not be ignored."

              Of course, here you are right.
              But the question of whether our aircraft needs the "Tiger" in the form it is now, also remains.
              This is the same "check in combat conditions".
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 1 May 2020 12: 46 New
                +2
                What are you talking about? It’s not the Tigers, but the high command.
                Heavy cars in front and clean the highway when patrolling from mattresses.
          2. KVIRTU
            KVIRTU April 30 2020 22: 04 New
            +3
            It was developed for the emirates under an imported engine, not YaMZ. Chassis on the elements of the 66th, i.e. permissible gross weight of 5,5 tons, somewhere, not 6,5, as a result. Now the Americans are to blame ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 1 May 2020 21: 06 New
              +8
              Quote: KVIRTU
              It was developed for the emirates under an imported engine, not YaMZ.

              Cummings-205 horses, YaMZ-215. Varies greatly?
              Quote: KVIRTU
              Chassis on the elements of the 66th,

              Chassis on the elements of the BTR-80.
              1. KVIRTU
                KVIRTU 6 May 2020 18: 59 New
                +1
                Sorry, I didn’t formulate it correctly. Started with Cummings 150 HP , tarpaulin top, etc., came to 205 with a turbine, switched to YaMZ from 215, and in the process - building up protection, strengthening the frame, etc. , it came out under 7 tons
                The breeders themselves write about the suspension ... taking into account its design in the 80s ..., double levers ..., the rest is from the journalists. Surprised myself
                article at the wheel with the phrase ... from BTR-80.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 6 May 2020 19: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: KVIRTU
                  Sorry, I didn’t formulate it correctly.

                  It's fine.
                  Quote: KVIRTU
                  The breeders themselves write about the suspension ... taking into account its design in the 80s ..., double levers ..., the rest is from the journalists. Surprised myself
                  article at the wheel with the phrase ... from BTR-80.

                  The meaning of this phrase is not clear to me, please explain, "who stood on whom"?
                  1. KVIRTU
                    KVIRTU 6 May 2020 19: 45 New
                    0
                    The wording "from" as it cuts the ear. Independent, lever, torsion bar is understandable (66 - dependent, spring, you are right, of course), but you can't take a ready-made 80's unit and put the 66's disk on it. In Arzamas, it was nevertheless reworked and adapted.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 6 May 2020 19: 48 New
                      +3
                      I absolutely agree, but the expression about the passage from the 66th led to some questions.
                      1. KVIRTU
                        KVIRTU 6 May 2020 20: 43 New
                        0
                        Correctly inspired, except for you, apparently, few people noticed. I would like to know your opinion on how you can "save the tiger", well, tires of the 66th, 2 axles remain, only by reducing the mass?
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 6 May 2020 20: 50 New
                        +3
                        Quote: KVIRTU
                        I would like to know your opinion on how you can "save the tiger", well, tires of the 66th, 2 axles remain, only by reducing the mass?

                        Here, alas, I can’t help with anything, I just don’t know.
                        P.S. If you want to read a normal book about the Tiger, I recommend Sergey Suvorov Russian Tiger. Perhaps this is one of the very few tech authors who I personally trust.
                      3. KVIRTU
                        KVIRTU 7 May 2020 16: 52 New
                        0
                        Thank. I haven’t seen a book. I will find.
                      4. Alf
                        Alf 7 May 2020 18: 20 New
                        +2
                        Quote: KVIRTU
                        Thank. I haven’t seen a book. I will find.

                        www. krutobook.site Everything works, wait 30 seconds and go. Yes, and there is a rutrekker.
  2. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov April 30 2020 13: 36 New
    +8
    There is a video on YouTube, you can watch it, type "Tiger Iveco", where the Tiger calmly overcomes various obstacles, including curbs of about 50 cm. And in the Crimea, the driver may not have been experienced or powdered something with a gearbox.
  3. Allegro
    Allegro April 30 2020 15: 50 New
    +6
    THIS is dirt for armored ones, like a swamp, the more you move, the faster you stomp.
    If this dirt is rolled off with a toothy roller, then it can be scrubbed on the tank later. And so on a jerk, no. This is her property ...
    A gasket, then by itself, as shown by the Crimea.
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  5. tech3030
    tech3030 1 May 2020 12: 48 New
    +2
    There was probably not a simple infantry, maybe you shouldn’t call the gasket the one who was there? Let the warrior tell me something.
  • Phantom 104
    Phantom 104 April 30 2020 11: 40 New
    -1
    Believe in this game, you have to be that degrode.
  • max702
    max702 April 30 2020 11: 44 New
    25
    We need to understand the tiger, the car is not a military one, but a police one .. For the BTR-80A war .. Practice has shown the patrols on the BTR-30A the Americans are rude to be rude .. For the BTR itself can push it out of the way and break it out of the gun so that in a couple of seconds nothing from the patrol it will remain .. But the tiger against the background of American MCIs does not dance because it is shallow .. They will not grab the trunks and this will happen only as a last resort, BUT I repeat and here the XNUMXmm argument will be important not allowing to be brought to sin ..
    Size matters ... That is what the sane people talked about for a long time, the Tiger drank the car and not the military unit ..
    1. Alf
      Alf April 30 2020 13: 20 New
      13
      Quote: max702
      We must understand the tiger is not a military car, but a police car ..

      No more questions...
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara April 30 2020 14: 39 New
      +1
      So it is used for patrolling, and what did he drink ??
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 30 2020 17: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Foxmara
        So it is used for patrolling, and what did he drink ??

        Not only there - he will be useful in reconnaissance, and even more than for patrolling.
        1. max702
          max702 1 May 2020 23: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Foxmara
          So it is used for patrolling, and what did he drink ??

          Not only there - he will be useful in reconnaissance, and even more than for patrolling.

          BRDM for these purposes is better, as well as for others .. The tiger is good in peace service (comfort) but not at all with the DB .. Like MRAPS against the background of the BMP \ BTR .. Yes, so far they’ll land nothing on them from the light gunner as soon as army means of war will go about them all will forget for live hunting ..
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 2 May 2020 11: 38 New
            0
            Quote: max702
            BRDM for these purposes is better, as for others ..

            This is the best machine for the field, but life is changing and the infrastructure of the armed forces too. That's why they abandoned the BRDM - such a universal reconnaissance vehicle is not always needed, especially since now they value speed and maneuverability more.
            Quote: max702
            Yes, until they land on them from a light rifle, they’re completely nothing as soon as the army’s means of warfare go, everyone will forget about them because they want to live ..

            Neither the BRDM nor the BMP can withstand a shot from a grenade launcher or ATGM, so the deaths of military personnel will be the same as in the Tigris. Just because we ran into gunmen on cars that move fast, we need to have our own fast lightly armored cars in order to be able to respond to their attacks. That is why the Tiger will be needed in different structures, especially with our actions abroad.
            1. max702
              max702 3 May 2020 17: 52 New
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              Neither the BRDM nor the BMP can withstand a shot from a grenade launcher or ATGM, so that the deaths of military personnel will be the same as in the Tigris

              And nobody talks about the ATGM / RPG .. And from the shelling of 7.62 or 12.7 it’s quite able to withstand both the BRDM and the BMP (with minimal refinement) and can give an answer .. And yes, getting into the same MRAP from the ATGM or RPG is simpler because of the size, therefore, the BMD BRDM has more chances to survive here .. The tiger drank it and the wrong concept was ala Russian hammer .. And it was then when the tiger began to come into service from the hammer that they refused because of the concept’s inefficiency .. Problem BRDM was in the engine put YaMZ-534 from the Tiger, and you can also YaMZ-536 in the military version 451l \ s BRDM will allow this and will not particularly affect the price, and here's a quick way to deal with such an enemy ..
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 3 May 2020 18: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: max702
                Tiger drank it and the wrong concept ala Russian Hammer ..

                There is such a structure as the GABTU of the Ministry of Defense and in which there is its own scientific and technical committee (or department) that conducts research and scientifically substantiates what armor our army needs, including promising, based on the concept of future military operations. I trust their choice, because believe me there are smart and sensible officers, so you do not need to justify your opinion only by cutting. I know how expensive it is to operate heavy vehicles, how inconvenient they are in cities, that’s why I understand why there was an order from the troops for lightly armored high-speed equipment, including from the Russian Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                Quote: max702
                And just then, when the tiger began to enter service with the hammer, they already refused because of the concept’s inefficiency ..

                What makes you think that we are stupidly copying American equipment? Do you even know that all reports from Afghanistan were studied for design errors and shortcomings of our weapons and equipment, and if possible, they already made changes to production. The initiator of the appearance of the Tigers was not the central apparatus, but the fact that the UAZ is not suitable for movement in places where there is no clearly defined front line, and militants fire at any place. Or don’t you know how on ZILs in Afghanistan they hung bulletproof vests on the door to somehow protect themselves?
                Quote: max702
                .BRDM problem was in the engine, put YaMZ-534 from the Tiger,

                I am not an expert in such details, but I think that BRDM is needed for reconnaissance battalions, but the Tiger is needed even in a usually motorized rifle regiment or a separate battalion. By the way, their production costs are different, and this is also taken into account in mass production.
    3. Nehist
      Nehist April 30 2020 15: 00 New
      0
      That's right. And then the policemen spat on her
    4. Nick
      Nick April 30 2020 15: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: max702
      The tiger drank the car and not the combat unit ..

      A tiger is a patrol car, you can plant literally everything, even a tank. What there is a lot of evidence on YouTube
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    6. NordUral
      NordUral 1 May 2020 12: 47 New
      -2
      Here, just said that.
    7. Antiliberast
      Antiliberast 2 May 2020 03: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: max702
      We must understand the tiger is not a military car, but a police car .. For the war, armored personnel carrier ..

      Quote: max702
      So surfaced about what long-sane people talked about, the Tiger drank a car and not a combat unit ..

      repeat It seemed to me one or ....?
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  • Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 1 May 2020 15: 43 New
    0
    According to eyewitnesses who encountered a UFO, the engine of the car stopped working and everything was restored as soon as the object was removed ...
    The principle of influence of a certain "field" is not known, but this does not prevent fantasizing, for example, about non-lethal and non-destructive methods of influencing the enemy! And so minus as much as you like)))) Happy first!
  • avia12005
    avia12005 April 30 2020 11: 03 New
    -4
    And it would be possible to give on tinsel for violation of traffic rules ...
    1. Nick
      Nick April 30 2020 15: 21 New
      0
      Quote: avia12005
      And it would be possible to give on tinsel for violation of traffic rules ...

      Yes, but it’s a violation of the Code of Administrative Offenses. Better call the traffic police. \ wink soldier
  • fn34440
    fn34440 April 30 2020 11: 04 New
    26
    There is neither Rokhlin, nor Lebed, nor General Romanov, nor generals-Heroes of the war who could, despite the authorities, not disgrace the honor of the Motherland.
    There is a general Irishka Wolf.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 30 2020 11: 45 New
      23
      Here about "Hero of Khasavyurt" Swan is not necessary here. It is very good that he is not.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 30 2020 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: fn34440
        There is neither Rokhlin, nor Lebed, nor General Romanov, nor generals-Heroes of the war who could, despite the authorities, not disgrace the honor of the Motherland.

        Quote: Aviator_
        Here about "Hero of Khasavyurt" Swan is not necessary here. It is very good that he is not.


        The swan was different. The video at the end of which Swan's speech can be regarded unambiguously ...



        Now, in Russia, there is no general in the army who would directly say so about the Bandera clique ...
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 30 2020 13: 23 New
          13
          His words are inexpensive. At first he went over to EBN. Then the EBN was sent by Transnistria to extinguish the patriotic movement, which could become a serious obstacle to the democratization of the country. (In the fall of 1993, the Supreme Council was defended by the Transnistrians, too.) Well, if you give a word about what speeches at party meetings the famous General Vlasov made before his betrayal, it will be very similar.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist April 30 2020 15: 03 New
          +4
          I don’t care what Swan said, I saw what he was doing ... Many will tell you about this ... Personally, I have only mats for him ..
    2. bk316
      bk316 April 30 2020 12: 08 New
      +4
      There is a general Irishka Wolf.

      Would you like to become a general Fainka Levina? winked
      Immediately it doesn’t work out. At least to begin with, the difference between the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs laughing
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 April 30 2020 12: 30 New
        -6
        Would you really like to fertilize other chernozems and sandy loams with a numbered chase? Forwards .....
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 30 2020 12: 41 New
          +6
          Forwards .....

          What are forwards?
          1. Nick
            Nick April 30 2020 16: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: bk316
            Forwards .....

            What are forwards?

            Tovarisch most likely meant the German "Vorwärts", in the sense - Forward! hi
  • stalki
    stalki April 30 2020 11: 04 New
    12
    I would like to hear from the author an alternative? And I ask in all seriousness, and not chuckle?
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 30 2020 11: 15 New
      20
      Quote: stalki
      I would like to hear from the author an alternative?

      Ask any military professional, and he will tell you that even tanks during exercises sometimes get stuck in the mud, so you shouldn’t really worry about this. I think that the driver was just at a loss when he got into the mud, and instead of lowering the tires, he started to gas, so it turned out that he cut the soil, instead of trying to get out on half-ground wheels on hard ground. Perhaps there were other reasons - I am not strong in automotive technology, maybe there were design errors in the armored car for such situations.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... April 30 2020 11: 43 New
        16
        That's right, relieve the pressure in the tires two times, turn on the 4VD and lower and smoothly drive through even liquid dirt. This allows even an unprepared SUV such as the TLK Prado of the 90s ...
      2. stalki
        stalki April 30 2020 11: 44 New
        0
        That’s at the expense of the constructive option, maybe you need more clearance and a tread higher and work with the transmission.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 30 2020 12: 07 New
          +9
          Quote: stalki
          That’s at the expense of the constructive option, maybe you need more clearance and a tread higher and work with the transmission.

          It’s better to transfer to an APC.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 30 2020 15: 23 New
            11
            Quote: Spade
            It’s better to transfer to an APC.

            It's right. Then no one will have to go round.
            Guys. Take a word. If the wheeled all-terrain vehicle lies on the belly (bottom), and its wheels are threshing slurry (dirt), you can safely call the tractor. This MTLB can toss and turn both in salt marshes and in the swamps of the tundra. And our drivers should not be blamed. But here is the feature:
            Of course, nobody in their right mind says that they need to engage in battle with American patrols, arrange clashes of armored vehicles, but it is necessary to respond to such incidents.

            Let's clarify the disposition. Do American patrols have documents allowing them to be in Syria? It’s so easy to drive up in a tank column accompanied by friends on a helicopter and demand documents (is it a patrol or just went fishing?). No relevant documents? Then, please clear the road for one, two or three ... Believe me, failure to comply with the requirements of the legitimate authority on the territory of a foreign country, filmed on camera will be very significant evidence of Russian right.
            And enough of these links to "sound mind." In our case, it is easier to find an excuse in the “fragile shell” and “weak bladder” of some hands of drivers. This is not their Aurus being pushed into the left row ...
            1. Alf
              Alf April 30 2020 16: 34 New
              +3
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And enough of these links to "sound mind." In our case, it is easier to find an excuse in the “fragile shell” and “weak bladder” of some hands of drivers. This is not their Aurus being pushed into the left row ...

              good
            2. My doctor
              My doctor 1 May 2020 19: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Is it so simple to drive up in a tank column accompanied by friends on a helicopter and demand documents (is it a patrol or just went fishing?)

              Seriously? A tank column will go on its own on asphalt or on trawls? Personally, I can’t imagine the daily mileage of a patrol, but I don’t think tank escort is possible.
            3. Tavrik
              Tavrik 1 May 2020 22: 49 New
              +1
              The fact is that not everyone considers Assad a legitimate authority. They consider us accomplices
              this illegal government. International courts, the UN and other international institutions are in their hands. In this situation, any attempt at aggressive actions against their servicemen and equipment may result in a major scandal, in which no one will take our arguments into account. Well, perhaps some of ours and their generals will not agree "like a boy" not to take out "dirty linen in public."
          2. ccsr
            ccsr April 30 2020 17: 37 New
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            It’s better to transfer to an APC.

            It is certainly better, who would doubt it, but the cost of the machines and their weight are different, and the costs of maintenance and operation are different. An armored personnel carrier may go through mud better, but it will get up in another - for example, in a city traffic jam in Syria. The fact that such a machine is needed by a modern army is a fact. Of course, this is not an armored reconnaissance vehicle, but nevertheless, because of such cases, immediately abandoning the "Tiger" in my opinion is complete stupidity - such a machine is in demand for various theaters of operation and it has prospects.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 30 2020 18: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: ccsr
              that's just the cost of cars

              In theory, cheaper.
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      4. VIT101
        VIT101 April 30 2020 18: 43 New
        11
        Quote: ccsr
        Ask any military professional and he will tell you


        As far as I understand, the question was asked not how to get out of the mud, but essentially the problem: when they spit in your face, they silently wipe themselves or give insoles in the face. Knowing that such a situation may arise, do not foresee ways out of it in advance. If you go around the insolent, as happened, the price of our military police is worthless, then they silently wiped themselves off. Who needs this patrol? One shame ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 30 2020 19: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: VIT101
          Who needs this patrol?

          Ask this rhetorical question not to me - I did not make a decision on the introduction of troops into Syria.
          Quote: VIT101
          , but essentially the problem:

          Essentially the problem - we had to disrupt the laying of the Qatari gas pipeline to Europe, and we have achieved this. Unfortunately with human and material losses, but let the descendants appreciate how correct the decision was. And you shouldn’t pedal the topic too much - those who were in our car are far from your suffering, because they immediately realized that they had become an easy target for militants. And you will not envy them in that situation - I know that for sure.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 1 May 2020 12: 51 New
          0
          That's it, from the essence of the matter to the discussion of a tiger unsuitable for patrolling.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 April 30 2020 15: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: stalki
      I would like to hear from the author an alternative?

      So it was like that. The Americans blocked the road, ours decided to go round. KamAZ writes ahead, followed by the Tigers .. while they were walking on soft ground everything was normal, then KamAZ went on asphalt, but the Tiger couldn’t walk on its knees, the convoy stood up. But for some reason everyone decided that the cars were all stuck there .. Then the Tigers checked, drove up to the asphalt exit, clung to KAMAZ and drove off like that.
      The situation is not worth the shell, the devoured egg .... For such situations, I drive the net on my truck if the car gets up and the lock does not help .. I put it on it or right away, if I see that I don’t come there. Recently I drove into the field .. while I was driving .. I got up, the wheels immediately went deep into the soil and I could not leave, even with a lock, at least without ... I had to dig in and sprinkle gravel on the track, and left ..
      In theory, and on the Tigers should be similar things.
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r April 30 2020 11: 05 New
    -10
    The question is complex. We probably do not know the true background of our and American behavior. But, - we endure for a long time (harness), but we drive fast! And it’s difficult to call it a spit in our direction. So, the yapping of the jackal, who introduced himself in Syria as a lion, which our people threw out, along with his rats on the side of the road and continue to push into the cliff.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 30 2020 13: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: neri73-r
      We probably do not know the true background of our and American behavior. But, - we endure for a long time (harness), but we drive fast!

      Yes Yes..
      1. We will shoot down everything that flies and hit the launch points.
      2. We will shoot down everything that flies.
      3. We will shoot down everything that flies in our direction.
      4. Strikes on Khmeimim is an HPP.
      Do not be ashamed to do that?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 30 2020 15: 30 New
      -1
      Quote: neri73-r
      And it’s difficult to call it a spit in our direction.

      That's for sure! fellow Is it a spit? This is such a special sign of location and sympathy. Russia is not in Syria to be offended by someone who is preventing it from fulfilling contractual obligations ...
      They just showed a naked ass that we had to kick at, and ours were embarrassed, they began to fear that they would ascribe a "lively interest" to the naked "hemispheres", and this is disgusting ... No.
      It makes no sense to discuss the implementation of the order "from above."
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 30 2020 11: 06 New
    -2
    This case, who let him out onto the road where he was going, this not-so-smart driver, why on the side of the road? Deprivation of rights for a couple of years, without talking.
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR April 30 2020 11: 08 New
    +8
    Why is the Tiger stuck in the mud? No wonder any car can
    drown in the mud. The tiger is not a swamp. Why do Americans behave this way?
    They haven’t come up with anything new since the Cold War. Provocations, provocations,
    wherever possible. How to respond to them? Well here, depending on the situation ...
    Ready to be always to any meanness on their part.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... April 30 2020 11: 44 New
      11
      Come next time in a sapper tank with a blade. Business then ...

      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR April 30 2020 11: 58 New
        0
        As an option. Ahead of the pillar :)
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 1 May 2020 08: 43 New
          0
          He eats diesel fuel 200l / hour. When there were fires in Altai in 1998, sappers proposed 4 BATs to extinguish fires (make clearings and ditches), but local authorities refused and asked for 1000 shovels. laughing
          1. tech3030
            tech3030 1 May 2020 12: 55 New
            +1
            The authorities of course worked with these shovels?
            1. _Sergei_
              _Sergei_ 1 May 2020 13: 32 New
              0
              We then burned more than 10 people from the leshoz. Fire surrounded them.
      2. AK1972
        AK1972 April 30 2020 14: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Come next time in a sapper tank with a blade.

        Not in reproach, but in fairness. This is not a sapper tank, but an IMR-2 engineering obstacle clearing vehicle, but in terms of cross-country ability and power, the BAT-M tracklayer, called "Crocodile" in the army (in my opinion, it was in vain removed from service) greatly surpasses it. The only drawback of BAT is the lack of armor.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... April 30 2020 15: 47 New
          +1
          Well, I’m not talking about tanks .... Although, in principle, this figovina can be called a sapper tank out of ignorance of the question ... Is it logical?
      3. ANB
        ANB April 30 2020 17: 36 New
        0
        No way. Who, after the tank, will the Syrians repair the road?
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 30 2020 11: 10 New
    +9
    I have said more than once: we must take IMRs with us! There is a "real" explanation for this! You can always say that the roads are mined, they are shelled ... from what there are holes on the roads (!); Different "punks" arrange blockages on the roads, there may be a damaged car ... armored vehicles! That is why IMRs are needed for "peaceful purposes"! And if we consider that IMRs are on a tank chassis, then the "foreign" Humvees will not seem a little!
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav April 30 2020 11: 11 New
    22
    There are only 2 behaviors - either wipe oneself (not succumb to provocations), or use force and get an information howl in the west.
    My opinion is the second option. The military should fulfill the task, not excluding the use of force. Patrolling the track? Go. Who didn’t hide ... And all the questions are for the diplomats. The howling of the liberals was, is and will continue to be, and it is not worth it to pay too much attention.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 30 2020 13: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Rostislav
      The howling of the liberals was, is and will continue to be, and it is not worth it to pay too much attention.

      And WHO is our main liberal? Who still considers America partners?
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 30 2020 14: 27 New
      +5
      this is VP. its tasks and capabilities are specific and limited. This is patrolling in this case. if an army column was moving, then those who blocked the road would simply fly away to the ditch. and most likely they wouldn’t do it because the column would not stop. in this case, it’s just a game of nerves and no one will do anything sharp in response. blocked means to go round or to retreat. this is normal.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist April 30 2020 15: 08 New
        -3
        Do not believe the tasks of the VP are completely different !! And what they do in Syria, I don’t understand ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 30 2020 15: 47 New
          +3
          By the way, it’s clear what they are doing there. security escort patrol. there is no point in distracting army units to these tasks.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 2 May 2020 04: 54 New
            0
            Then go to the MO site and carefully read why the VP is created !!!
            PSMinusators You go to the VP website to start and read what is in their tasks
      2. Alf
        Alf April 30 2020 15: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        blocked means to go round or to retreat. this is normal.

        I wonder what the US military police would do in a similar situation.
  • blackice
    blackice April 30 2020 11: 14 New
    +3
    Our incorruptible generals and rulers will not give the go-ahead to push the striped ones together. How can you, if your accounts and offspring are beyond the "hillock", with potential "friends"?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 30 2020 11: 15 New
    +4
    The tiger has different versions of the reservation and load ... and the diesel and wheels are the same .... different in weight cars have different cross-country ability. Let them ride on articulated all-terrain vehicles. Everywhere will pass. And it’s better to resolve the issue with the Americans.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 30 2020 13: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And it’s better to resolve the issue with the Americans.

      How ? To rattle your arms? So, before clicking the shutter, it would be necessary to withdraw the stash from the United States.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 30 2020 13: 43 New
        0
        No ... I'm not aware of their movements. Let them not let them go somewhere ... and they won’t rattle ..
        1. Alf
          Alf April 30 2020 14: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          themselves
          Who is this ?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 30 2020 15: 05 New
            0
            Sami, this is our Military Police
            1. Alf
              Alf April 30 2020 15: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Sami, this is our Military Police

              Does the Military Police make decisions themselves or act within the framework of orders? There will be an order-push-collide, but there is no order to quarrel with the "partners" ...
              1. Gegemon
                Gegemon April 30 2020 15: 59 New
                -2
                Quote: Alf
                Does the Military Police make decisions themselves or act within the framework of orders? There will be an order-push-collide, but there is no order to quarrel with the "partners" ...

                So there is Vasily, if our order would not be especially cerimonim .. They have there in Syria for a long time fists itch on all sorts of insolent exceptional .. hi
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 30 2020 16: 18 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Gegemon
                  there would be an order

                  That's just the order of this level does not give Shoigu, but someone else. But but but...
                  1. Gegemon
                    Gegemon April 30 2020 16: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alf
                    That's just the order of this level does not give Shoigu, but someone else. But but but...

                    Shoigu is a performer ..There, even Putin, with an eye on the West, acts constantly ..How not to offend anyone, etc.
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 2 May 2020 18: 26 New
                0
                So the news arrived in time today: VP did not let the American patrol in Kamyshly .....
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara April 30 2020 15: 17 New
        +3
        Do you have any other arguments besides the stash? What was pushed from the APC equipment - does that mean at that time the stash was taken out, and then brought back in? Maybe enough nonsense to write?
  • Victorio
    Victorio April 30 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    on the other hand, snowmobile patency in perfect order ttps: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = iCVUP6r-ajI.
    dirt is more difficult, here minus the weight and length, diameter / width of the wheels. Humvee sat down even faster
    1. malyvalv
      malyvalv April 30 2020 15: 16 New
      -2
      What is the virgin snow there? Hard surface slightly dusted with snow.
      Here, of course, the greater the specific power and the wider the wheels the faster. In a true snow virgin of such vehicles, only the three-axle Ural could pass if there was a driver - an ace with extensive experience driving on winter roads.
      For dirt, a loaf with narrow wheels will be preferable.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 30 2020 11: 22 New
    +2
    You have to put your head to any technique, even to a computerized one ... otherwise you can’t see good luck ...
  • Brylevsky
    Brylevsky April 30 2020 11: 27 New
    +1
    Why Russian Tigers Stuck in Syrian Mud

    Because they were designed for highway driving, not over rough terrain. To drive on soft soils, this car needs either to increase the width of the standard wheels, or to increase the number of wheelsets while maintaining their previous dimensions, there is no third option. Or do not leave the "primer" ... But for myself, we can conclude: in the spring, in muddy roads, this "tiger" does not ride on rural roads. And God forbid him to go to arable land ... The German "Tiger" during the Great Patriotic War had similar problems when driving off the highway, but at least he took an outstanding gun, and armor, but what about this one? "Not to the APC", "not to the jeep" ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 30 2020 12: 14 New
      -1
      That's bullshit.....
    2. Nehist
      Nehist April 30 2020 15: 11 New
      -3
      This is a city car !!! It was created for the riot police !!! Who shoved her in the sun .... This is a great mystery and a lot of money
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze April 30 2020 11: 39 New
    +2
    Or maybe just the Americans were ahead, in the direction of the movement and did not miss the Russian armored cars in their orders?

    This is the commander’s pass - next time, sit in front and push the Americans into a ditch in the wild if they slip into your line. One T 90 shoves them into a few square miles easily ... laughing
  • smaug78
    smaug78 April 30 2020 11: 50 New
    +2
    Again stupidity from Polonsky ...
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 30 2020 11: 57 New
    +2
    The steeper the rash, the farther you go behind the tractor. Or maybe it was not a bobbin?
  • Topol M
    Topol M April 30 2020 11: 58 New
    0
    The driver was bewildered, just on all Tigers there is an automatic inflation of tires with electronic control. All that was needed was to reduce the pressure in the tires and go out with idle gas. I don’t remember in what year in our regiment at the exit at the turn the launcher 15 U 106 of the Pioneer complex (Strategic Missile Forces) tilted, stood and staggered, 84 tons, the senior launcher brought a log and propped up the side, and the driver mechanic reduced the pressure in 6 wheels from the Left side , leveled a little and left. The funny thing is that the four of us then carried the log into place
    1. Victorio
      Victorio April 30 2020 12: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Poplar M
      Tigers have automatic tire inflation with electronic control. All that was needed was to reduce the pressure in the tires and go out on idle

      ====
      it's good on sand, snow. and then deep mud, sit on the bridges and all. and in this case, a decrease in pressure / increase in adhesion area / slight weight distribution will give a little comparison with the weight of the car.
      1. prodi
        prodi April 30 2020 13: 49 New
        0
        Well, why, it was, not to apply such a primitive solution as a driveshaft from front to back in the form of a screw?
      2. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 1 May 2020 08: 52 New
        0
        I had a case. A fighter planted KamAZ 53501 in the mud on the most bridges on arable land. I lowered the wheels, rocked the car and climbed out of the mud. It was just necessary to lower the wheels, swing and would drive.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 1 May 2020 11: 32 New
          0
          Quote: _Sergey_
          I had a case. A fighter planted KamAZ 53501 in the mud on the most bridges on arable land. I lowered the wheels, rocked the car and climbed out of the mud. It was just necessary to lower the wheels, swing and would drive.

          ====
          it’s rather strange, he lowered the wheels, the car got even more on the bridges / belly. Well, the tire run will give a slight increase in traction and a decrease in pressure, that's all. if a car sits on bridges, the wheels just spin. but there is an option to lift the car, grabbing something on the wheels, then yes. I six months urgently drove l / s on the 131st. in winter, the descent of the wheels gave a result. through the mud, with deep, you sit tight.
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 1 May 2020 12: 21 New
            0
            When you lower the wheels in the mud and give the car a buildup, it will slightly sag and, after the buildup in the mud, will scoop up under it. Although the Tiger must be compared with 66. The same wheel formula.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 1 May 2020 12: 24 New
              0
              Quote: _Sergey_
              When you lower the wheels in the mud and give the car a buildup, it will slightly sag and, after the buildup in the mud, will scoop up under it. Although the Tiger must be compared with 66. The same wheel formula.

              ===
              and what kind of dirt? I served in the Saratov region, there is like plasticine.
              1. _Sergei_
                _Sergei_ 1 May 2020 12: 39 New
                0
                I am in Altai, but in my opinion the dirt is the same everywhere. Sometimes you come, and on the machine below there is one continuous lump. If you don’t immediately clean it, then you will be tormented to beat it off.
  • Vyacheslav34
    Vyacheslav34 April 30 2020 12: 04 New
    -1
    The driver is just a stupid person, that’s all. The eggs always disturb the bad dancer.
  • bk316
    bk316 April 30 2020 12: 11 New
    +9
    We are all very happy to write. Has anyone really taxied on the Tiger on the ground?
    I've missed the opportunity and regret it. Please tell me if you have experience ......
  • Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk April 30 2020 12: 11 New
    +1
    There is only one answer - axle load!
    1. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga April 30 2020 12: 49 New
      +1
      The load on the ground, its bearing capacity, tire contact patch, tire pressure, lugs on the tire !?
    2. ccsr
      ccsr April 30 2020 17: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      There is only one answer - axle load!

      And you compare the weight of the "Tiger" 5,3 (7,6) tons with the weight of the BTR-80 13,6 tons, and it turns out that the axle load is practically the same, and even the Tiger has less for the GAZ-233014 variant.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 30 2020 12: 15 New
    0
    Here, one hundred percent agree with the author, to be afraid of condemnation means giving Americans the opportunity to continue provocations.
    As for the mud, is our non-chernozem clay less viscous than the Syrian mud.
  • iouris
    iouris April 30 2020 12: 30 New
    -10
    Another cry of Yaroslavna. The diagnosis has long been made: Chubais is to blame for everything!
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    2. Crimean 2014
      Crimean 2014 April 30 2020 17: 14 New
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      Another cry of Yaroslavna. The diagnosis has long been made: Chubais is to blame for everything!

      it's called-farted in a puddle
  • nnz226
    nnz226 April 30 2020 12: 42 New
    0
    Position: "Don't give in to provocations!" showed itself in full growth in the first 3 weeks of June 1941! When the commissars pissed off the commanders in full! The result of this trend was the Wehrmacht near Moscow in 5 months! Didn't learn the lessons of history ?!
  • 501Legion
    501Legion April 30 2020 12: 46 New
    +2
    It’s a pity you can’t minus the article.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 30 2020 12: 59 New
    0
    The second possible reason for such actions is the provocation of the Russian military to some kind of aggressive action against American soldiers.

    This is not the "second possible cause" - this is the reason.
    However, it is unlikely that the American command is so naive that it expects to provoke the Russians to such actions.

    Why naive? They really provoke and do not consider it naive. For them it’s in the order of things, but for us it’s naive.
    Zadornov was right!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 30 2020 13: 14 New
    +3
    And we had nothing striped to push? Or is it better that Lavrov once again express his concern? What's the matter?
    1. shahor
      shahor April 30 2020 14: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      What's the matter?

      But in nothing. I am 100% sure that neither the American nor the Russian commanders really need this smut. Enough problems with barmaley. And the boys leave the road and begin to measure ... than they can. As in the days of my distant youth on potatoes, village-town. Next time, ours will be ahead on the highway, and the Americans will go around. Well, let's look at their new Oshkosh and Syrian mud. If it gets stuck, I would sympathize in our place, fit the Typhoon, pull out the amer and say, you guys, turn around, how you get stuck again. Help!
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 30 2020 17: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: shahor
        But in nothing. I am 100% sure that neither the American nor the Russian commanders really need this smut. Enough problems with barmaley.

        Absolutely sound idea that many forum warriors would never even think of, but any commander in Syria remembers this.
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest April 30 2020 13: 34 New
    0
    The solution to two problems at once is obvious - to use a more serious "argument" - the T-90.
    The problem of blocking roads from the side of the striped Yankees will be solved - well, what the hell for the T-90 "curb" in the form of a Hummer (or any other military Yankee car)? Our "Tanyusha-90" will move this border a little hesitated.
    The second problem - the dirt - will disappear by itself, because the Yankees will release the "track" (road) faster than they can say "fuck".
    I think so....
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 April 30 2020 15: 03 New
      0
      Are you for tank patrols?
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav April 30 2020 19: 02 New
      0
      tanyusha-90 is not that a hammer, she bmp striker will not choke, so only to teach the rotten who have the term not acceptable losses
  • Martin
    Martin April 30 2020 14: 25 New
    +2
    Somehow, the title of the article does not beat with its content. The headline is about the relations of the Tiger with mud, and the article is about the attitude of Russian and American military personnel. And for some reason the engine power was dragged.
    And here the power of the YaMZ-5347-10 engine in combination with other parameters of the "Tigers" led precisely to the fact that the wheels of the car were not pulled out onto a suitable ground, but they themselves were stuck deeper and deeper in a fiery and viscous environment.
    What is this about? Too powerful engine? But, excuse me, the moment and engine power transmitted to the wheels are set by the driver with a gas pedal and gear selection. Too weak engine? Then the Tiger would not bury itself in the ground, but simply stall.
    Obviously, the moment on the wheels should correspond to the adhesion of the wheels to the ground. Now think (by analogy), if the Niva gets stuck where the Nine (real case) drove, who is to blame? Engine "Niva"?
    And as for the video with the curb, I got the impression that the driver tried to overcome the curb softer without turning it around. As a result, I couldn’t. Taki twisted.
  • Nasty
    Nasty April 30 2020 14: 26 New
    0
    And the authorities are reacting, from the Crimea, not a single positive. Only wipes. Do Amers also have patrols? And if you put a couple of armored personnel carriers across? Sassali. The country is treated as it allows itself to be treated. Even lousy Ukraine gets away with it. Only one loud, loud statement. In fact, zilch.
  • iouris
    iouris April 30 2020 14: 48 New
    -1
    This is not about cross-country vehicles, it is a symbol.
  • Nick
    Nick April 30 2020 14: 58 New
    -4
    Another story about how Americans show their weakness. Small dirty tricks are not capable of more. Our guys are great! They showed restraint and character. Strong on provocation do not give in. And there will be a real clash, the American poor fellow will not be laughing. There’s nothing to talk about cowardly Arab mercenaries, of them warriors, like a bullet from shit.
  • Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin April 30 2020 15: 49 New
    -2
    The army must have at least three axle cars,
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav April 30 2020 18: 57 New
      +2
      in the army there should be different cars for any tasks facing the troops, including biaxial ones, both light and heavy, at least in a large modern army, including our Russian
  • Grading
    Grading April 30 2020 15: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: fn34440
    Irishka Wolf

    1. Crimean 2014
      Crimean 2014 April 30 2020 17: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Grading
      Quote: fn34440
      Irishka Wolf


      the article is not about her! it’s strange that Putin still hasn’t dragged
  • lot
    lot April 30 2020 16: 49 New
    0
    With the case, it’s necessary both in politics and on the road. These are not rallies to drive in full crew.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 30 2020 18: 51 New
    0
    just like in 1941 not succumbing to provocations, these females of dogs became insolent and their European mongrels, who with a common history, are glad to crash into the meeting with a caliber and that you think that it would be cool to us, I doubt that from all the irons they would have screamed like with creaks and calmed down, there they have their own problems above the roof
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik April 30 2020 19: 08 New
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    why do the US military consider themselves entitled to behave this way with respect to Russian military patrols and why the Russian army allows

    Precisely because the leadership of the Russian Federation, and not Russia, has long been deeply and completely under the West, for the sake of their well-being, these temporary workers wanted to spit on the image, and on the dignity and condition of their citizens and military personnel. They see the Army exclusively as an instrument to protect their economic interests, not the interests of the country.
    1. Mihail2019
      Mihail2019 April 30 2020 22: 06 New
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      This is where I completely agree with you - this is with an accurate assessment of our current state leadership: "timeshiki" as it is! In its purest form! Some kind of strategy for the country's development is absent, as a concept! "Ruble exchange rate, oil price, political stability!" - the ultimate dream of our guarantor and his entourage! Third Nikolashka, e-mine!
  • Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 April 30 2020 21: 59 New
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    The wheels of their armored cars defiantly shoot - and all things. There is no threat to the military, but moving on is a problem!
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 1 May 2020 00: 38 New
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    If I correctly understood the meaning of the article, the author identified two problems:
    1. Russians are not respected.
    2. Tigers do not ride.
    On the first problem. From the first days of patrolling where the Americans were, it was clear that there would be no "walks".
    I think that before patrolling on a divorce, briefing is given and there are instructions. In fact, I am sure that such road hooliganism occurs with the unofficial permission of the command. I think that our answer is also given.
    Patrolling does not imply a clash. In a war zone, patrolling is reconnaissance, or combat engineer reconnaissance. Perform units of military intelligence or special forces.
    In areas controlled by the army, military police patrol.
    Regarding the second problem. The tiger is not such a bad car, its purpose is also provided for as a reconnaissance patrol car, a security car, etc.
    The fact that he was stuck, from the video I saw that the car at speed went into the ground, as if crashed.
    The suspension is independent, torsion-bar, the bottom is flat. Simply put, he sat on his belly.
    To do this, there is a second car, a cable and a mat to help.
    You can put on the bridges and TLC 80, or TLC 105.
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 1 May 2020 08: 18 New
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    Oshkosh got stuck in the same way. Americans are barred in the same way. Where exactly is the zrada here?
  • Chingachguk
    Chingachguk 1 May 2020 08: 31 New
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    "The second possible reason for such actions is the provocation of the Russian military to some aggressive actions against American soldiers. One can only imagine what a howl would rise in the West if the Russian military used weapons or even just physical force, pushing the Americans out of their way. However, the American command is unlikely to be so naive that it expects to provoke the Russians to such actions. "

    Well, there would have been a howl, and so what? Would an atomic war start? The video clearly shows that the Americans were the first to get into the "bottle" and for this it was necessary to force them to answer right there ... And then these fighting gays have really become insolent!
    I drove to the account ...... I'm not sure that they take suckers there ..... Although, the technique is powerful, it really needs to be understood and felt, where to put it on, where to put it on the tightness ......
  • kriten
    kriten 1 May 2020 09: 34 New
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    Tactics at the sight of Americans to show respectful courtesy are a reflection of the Kremlin’s policy towards the United States .... Talk about independence, but action with caution, and even by agreement.
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 1 May 2020 11: 58 New
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    Not responding to provocations led in 41, everyone knows what. What do we wish for repetition?
  • repus
    repus 1 May 2020 12: 33 New
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    Quote: Chingachguk
    "The second possible reason for such actions is the provocation of the Russian military to some aggressive actions against American soldiers. One can only imagine what a howl would rise in the West if the Russian military used weapons or even just physical force, pushing the Americans out of their way. However, the American command is unlikely to be so naive that it expects to provoke the Russians to such actions. "

    Well, there would have been a howl, and so what? Would an atomic war start? The video clearly shows that the Americans were the first to get into the "bottle" and for this it was necessary to force them to answer right there ... And then these fighting gays have really become insolent!
    I drove to the account ...... I'm not sure that they take suckers there ..... Although, the technique is powerful, it really needs to be understood and felt, where to put it on, where to put it on the tightness ......

    Beku and Sanka, with Yarik from "Off Road St. Petersburg" to become instructors for our carriers of "Tigers" ... in a couple of months they will not need these roads, they will only trot through the fields on their way. wink The affiliate patrol will then precipitate, there will be no one to block it. smile
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 May 2020 14: 20 New
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      Quote: repus
      in a couple of months they will not need these roads

      So the problem is not in the roads, but in who is the "master of the mountain".
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  • gsev
    gsev 1 May 2020 14: 19 New
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    Over Germany in the 1950s, air battles regularly took place between Soviet and American aircraft. As a result of these battles, no one on earth tried to aggravate with ground forces. Now my acquaintance, who spent 90% of his working life at a military aircraft factory, characterized his life, destiny and social status with the word ha ... no. And the leaders suddenly find a person without experience of successful engineering work who, having not familiarized himself with the plant, carries out such optimization (and in fact, a dumb reduction) after which the sudden death of an employee or his dismissal causes real chaos in the life of the plant.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 2 May 2020 11: 47 New
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      Quote: gsev
      Over Germany in the 1950s, air battles regularly took place between Soviet and American aircraft.

      Could you tell us more about this, or give a link? And then we know about the war in Korea, but this is something new, it is interesting to know the details.
      1. gsev
        gsev 2 May 2020 14: 59 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        Could you tell us more about this, or give a link?

        Only personal memories of my late father who served as an aircraft mechanic in a fighter regiment of the armed MiG-17. I don't remember much. I remember this episode. There was a talented ace in the USA who could not be shot down for a long time. He fell into such a trap. There was a traffic jam on the runway when this ace flew in for aerial reconnaissance. Seeing that the planes could not rise, he staged an airshow over the airbase at low level flight. At this time, a link of fighters was raised from the highway, which, gaining altitude and speed, brought it down. In addition, you should know about the downed scout over the Urals in 1961. As far as I know, the last US plane was shot down over the Arctic already under the USSR under Gorbachev. During an attack by US aviation in Syria during the Soviet era, one of their aircraft was shot down by a Soviet serviceman Streloi-2.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 2 May 2020 16: 49 New
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          Quote: gsev
          In addition, you should know about the downed scout over the Urals in 1961.

          This is a well-known episode over our territory, and it is not considered in this case, and there was no battle, but there was only the downing of a high-altitude scout.
          Quote: gsev
          There was a talented ace in the USA whom they could not bring down for a long time.

          I admit that some NATO planes flew into our zone of occupation, and they tried to land them at our airfield, but I can’t imagine what kind of battle could be over the territory of the German Democratic Republic in the post-war period. I had three air corridors for any planes to fly to West Berlin from the FRG, and no one shot down anyone there, although the air defense forces of the group were on alert.
          Quote: gsev
          As far as I know, the last US aircraft was shot down over the Arctic already under the USSR under Gorbachev.

          Let’s not interfere with everything - it’s one thing the plane violates our border and is forced to land, and he refuses to obey, and then they start to fire warning shots, and then to defeat. But for the territory of the GDR, such a regime did not work, because allied forces stood in West Berlin and military planes constantly flew there, which sometimes for various reasons deviated from the route, but this was no reason to shoot them down. I think you didn’t understand something from the memories, and I didn’t hear what you are saying.
          1. gsev
            gsev 3 May 2020 02: 34 New
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            Quote: ccsr
            I admit that some NATO planes flew into our zone of occupation,

            I came across a book for US schoolchildren on the history of US aviation, which promotes military service among them. It stated that only perestroika and the collapse of the USSR forced US aviation to abandon the air raid on Murmansk. So in the US, a war with Russia is not considered an unlikely event.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 3 May 2020 11: 47 New
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              Quote: gsev
              I came across a book for US schoolchildren on the history of US aviation, which promotes military service among them. It stated that only perestroika and the collapse of the USSR forced US aviation to abandon the air raid on Murmansk.

              This is some kind of nonsense - from that direction the US strategic bombers came, but not for the destruction of Murmansk, but for the attack of Moscow and other primary targets in the European part of the USSR. This direction was the main one, because there it was difficult to control American aircraft coming from Greenland.
              Quote: gsev
              So in the US, a war with Russia is not considered an unlikely event.

              Theoretically, yes, practically there are no lunatics who would not know that only contaminated territory will remain from the USA after the attack on Russia.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 1 May 2020 16: 37 New
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    We must copy American tactics: overtake and block their path.
  • sergey osipov_2
    sergey osipov_2 1 May 2020 17: 23 New
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    right before my eyes, T64 sat on my belly. Gooseies were hanging in the air. So that’s nothing to say. Any technique can sit on the belly. The main thing is how to get out of this situation.
  • aba
    aba 2 May 2020 06: 42 New
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    You can say anything to justify it, but one thing is clear: if you imagine the Russian military Soviet on the spot, then there would be no more such provocations.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 2 May 2020 11: 55 New
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      Quote: aba
      in the place of the Russian military Soviet, then there would be no more than one such provocation.

      Yes, they clamped down and ground our missionaries in the Federal Republic of Germany more than once, although they had a more serious status than our military police in Syria, but no one took military action on the part of the GSVG. However, we did the same with their missions - so I think it’s not worth it to go into the bottle on one occasion, because the war begins easily, but it ends long and with great losses. The fact that we behave cautiously in Syria, I only welcome - this suggests that they are now adequately assessing our capabilities in that region, and understand that not everyone is happy with us there. That is why it is more important to save the lives of our people in the first place, and then everything else.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 May 2020 06: 58 New
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    The soil is loose, to hell with it, it’s nature and you can’t alter it, but why this is the loose reaction of our military is a question. It may be enough to substitute cheeks, but it’s time to answer with a striped fist. This is the East, and they value strength there, they would have thrown the American piece of iron into the barrel and let Lavrov show them a goat on the diplomatic front, and at the local level ours should keep their tail with a gun and they will respect them from friends and, oddly enough, from enemies.

    P.S. Let them take an example from Kozhedub, in 45, the striped tried to attack him in the sky over Germany, so he definitely failed, but I don’t remember the second, I read about it for a long time. Most importantly, they swallowed it striped and did not arise about their losses.
    1. Alf
      Alf 2 May 2020 08: 54 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      but why such a loose reaction of our military is a question.

      Because, as the military gives orders on how to behave someone civil, a rank higher.
      Quote: Ros 56
      and let Lavrov show them a goat

      Which Lavrov? One with
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 May 2020 15: 31 New
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        I'm not talking about the military, everything is clear with them. I’m talking about our politicians and I don’t give a damn where and who lives, Stalin did not change Jacob to Field Marshal Paulus, that's who you should take an example from and not chew snot.
        1. Alf
          Alf 2 May 2020 17: 41 New
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          Quote: Ros 56
          I’m talking about our politicians and I don’t give a damn where and who lives,

          Do not give a damn. This shows the attitude of our politicians towards Russia. Stalin could have hit the table, and whether our rulers, who have both children and money in the West, can do this is a very big question.

          One hundred, thousand times the old man of Brzezinski was right.
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 2 May 2020 07: 35 New
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    Maybe the old fashioned way, on tanks, armored personnel carriers and armor! ??? Let them try to push off the road