Sanitary vessel "Armenia" sunk by fascists discovered off the coast of Crimea

Sanitary vessel "Armenia" sunk by fascists discovered off the coast of Crimea

Sanitary vessel "Armenia" sunk in 1941 aviation fascists and sunken off the coast of Crimea, discovered by members of the "Russian underwater research expedition." This was reported by the media with reference to the message of the expedition.


According to the report, the ship was discovered by the deep-sea apparatus of the Ministry of Defense off the coast of Crimea, about 18 kilometers from Yalta at a depth of 1500 meters. The location of "Armenia" was established after a survey of more than 300 square kilometers of the Black Sea. The preliminary location of the vessel was determined in 2016.

Now doubts have been dispelled, and our point, announced back in 2016, was confirmed. Now we know exactly where the biggest disaster on the Black Sea lies. The ship was on a large slope, sliding into a crevice. Depth, as previously stated, 1 meters

- said the representative of the expedition.

It should be reminded that the “Armenia” motor ship, converted into a medical vessel, left Sevastopol on November 6, 1941. On board were the wounded, medical staff of several hospitals, employees of the Artek pioneer camp with their families, and part of the party leadership of Crimea. Also on board were archives, museum collections and collections. On the evening of November 6, "Armenia" went to the external raid of Balaklava to take on board the NKVD officers and the personnel of local hospitals. That same night, the ship went to Yalta, where it took the last passengers and sailed to Tuapse.

On November 7, 1941, at 11 a.m., a German torpedo bomber He-25 launched two torpedoes and both hit the target on a ship that had the distinctive signs of a medical vessel. The ship sank literally in 111 minutes, taking to the bottom from five to ten thousand people, the exact number of victims has not yet been established.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 18: 10 New
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    Unfortunately, there were several anti-aircraft guns in Armenia ...
    1. Graz April 25 2020 18: 16 New
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      do you really think that the Germans wouldn’t have sunk Armenia if they weren’t there?
      1. The leader of the Redskins April 25 2020 18: 35 New
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        I do not think. I am stating a fact. Leave the story to the alternativeists.
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        2. Shadow041 April 26 2020 00: 27 New
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          The absence of anti-aircraft guns did not prevent the Nazis from shooting ambulance trains and red cross trucks transporting the wounded. So with or without guns, the ship would definitely be attacked
        3. Russian jacket April 26 2020 13: 40 New
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          Nazarius .... In the English Athenia were guns?
          1. The leader of the Redskins April 26 2020 14: 47 New
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            Yes, I do not condone the Nazis! I don’t understand ours - they painted the ship in a military color, installed anti-aircraft guns, and when it was sunk, they started shouting that the hospital ship had been shot! From the history of WW2, I know only one case of the nobility of the Kriegsmarine. And the rest are the same attacks.
      2. smart ass April 25 2020 18: 39 New
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        The presence of anti-aircraft artillery on a ship with a red cross automatically makes it a legal target for the enemy. It is clear that the Germans do not care. War of annihilation.
        1. Prisoner April 25 2020 20: 52 New
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          Do you think people who fought against this evil spirits for more than four months did not know that the memory makes this ship a combat unit? Surely they knew. Why have they been installed? Surely they already had an idea and experience of what they hoped for “honor” and observance of the rules of war by these ub-people.
          1. smart ass April 25 2020 21: 16 New
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            Setting the memory is just an attempt to increase the chances of survival in a war of annihilation. The efficiency of Xe 111 is surprising, it seems like a single was bombed and very accurately
            1. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 23: 20 New
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              Heinkel 111 did not bomb, he torpedoed. It is unlikely that a horizontal bomber could put a bomb in a ship. Is that a topmaster.
              1. CERBERFOL April 26 2020 01: 51 New
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                There is no excuse for such crimes! Kingdom of heaven to the lost.
      3. Prisoner April 25 2020 20: 44 New
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        A goofy attempt to justify the Nazi scum.
        1. Mite April 26 2020 14: 52 New
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          Quote: Captive
          A goofy attempt to justify the Nazi scum.

          Definitely, they were just hunting for red crosses ... Then they stopped applying them, because it’s even worse ...
          Messers with pleasure shot these ships and gogosh trains on the air .. negative
    2. Sergey Zhikharev April 25 2020 18: 20 New
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      And if they were not there, then the Nazis would not drown the Soviet ship ....
      1. seti April 25 2020 18: 24 New
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        Quote: Sergey Zhikharev
        And if they were not there, then the Nazis would not drown the Soviet ship ....

        Oh holy simplicity.
        1. Sergey Zhikharev April 25 2020 18: 41 New
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          Oh yes of course!
          The Germans did not plan to destroy the Soviet people, so they strictly followed the rules of warfare. Several anti-aircraft guns - there is a reason to stoke a medical ship. The Russians did not sign the Geneva and Hague conventions - there are legitimate reasons to destroy captured Russians. And the fact that German planes shot columns of refugees-this is all the propaganda of the USSR.
          So what?
          1. seti April 25 2020 19: 00 New
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            Quote: Sergey Zhikharev

            The Germans did not plan to destroy the Soviet people, so they strictly followed the rules of warfare. Several anti-aircraft guns - there is a reason to stoke a medical ship. The Russians did not sign the Geneva and Hague conventions - there are legitimate reasons to destroy captured Russians. And the fact that German planes shot columns of refugees-this is all the propaganda of the USSR.

            The Germans or rather the Nazis did not plan to destroy the peoples of the USSR? Are you out of your mind? I advise you to get acquainted for general education:
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нацистская_политика_по_отношению_к_славянам

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Политика_Третьего_рейха_в_отношении_гражданского_населения_на_оккупированных_территориях_СССР
            Legal grounds ...- it’s a pity that now it’s not 45 and we do not have Lynch’s law
            Well, of course, it was not the German Nazis who successfully applied racial theory, moreover, it was mainly against the East Slavic peoples ...
            1. Sergey Zhikharev April 25 2020 19: 56 New
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              Dear colleague seti
              1. In addition to this paragraph that you quoted, there is another last sentence.
              2. It seems to me that there is a banal misunderstanding, and the dispute begins from scratch:
              A colleague of the leader of the Redskins indicated that there were several anti-aircraft guns on “Armenia”.
              I pointed out in a double meaning that if there weren’t anti-aircraft guns, they didn’t drown (in fact, the presence of anti-aircraft guns allowed the Nazis to legitimately sink “Armenia”, but if there weren’t anti-aircraft guns and guard ships, “Armenia” would have been sunk anyway)
          2. Pavel57 April 25 2020 20: 44 New
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            Sergey Zhikharev (Sergey Zhikharev) -
            ..... The Russians did not sign the Geneva and Hague conventions - there are legitimate reasons to destroy captured Russians.

            The main thing is that the Germans signed it. And mortality in Soviet captivity was lower than in German.
            1. Sardanapalus April 26 2020 11: 37 New
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              In the days of the USSR, the FRG declared about 600 who did not return from captivity.
          3. Zementbomber April 26 2020 04: 28 New
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            The Russians did not sign the Geneva and Hague conventions - there are legitimate reasons to destroy captured Russians.

            The USSR was a full member of all the Hague Conventions. As the assignee of the Russian Empire. And parts (not all) of the Geneva Conventions. But Soviet prisoners of war def. Geneva Convention - really did not.
          4. Aborigen4ik April 26 2020 06: 07 New
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            Do not write nonsense.
            On August 25, 1931, the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs M. M. Litvinov signed a special declaration declaring the USSR to join the convention.
            It turns out:
            1. The USSR has acceded to the "Convention on the Improvement of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field".
            2. Germany was obliged to comply with the Convention, regardless of the actions of the USSR.
            On July 17, 1941, the USSR, through an intermediary - Sweden - addressed Germany with the message that it recognized the 1907 Hague Convention
            and ready to fulfill it on the basis of reciprocity. Having not received an answer, after three weeks on August 8, 1941, all the heads of the diplomatic missions of countries with which the USSR had diplomatic relations received a note of the same content.
            In order to say after all this that the death of our prisoners in concentration camps and the wounded in hospitals is Stalin's fault, that the country and its leader did nothing to save people, our liberde must truly have no conscience.
            1. strannik1985 April 26 2020 06: 38 New
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              Nonsense do not write

              It seems to me sarcasm.
            2. Zementbomber April 26 2020 07: 08 New
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              1. It would be nice if you learned to distinguish between different Geneva Conventions. fool
              The "Geneva Convention for the Treatment of Prisoners of War" and the "Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field" are different and unrelated documents.
              2. ARTICLE 82.
              Les dispositions de la présente Convention devront être respectées par les Hautes Parties Contractantes en toutes circonstances.
              Au cas où, en temps de guerre, un des belligérants ne serait pas partie à la Convention, ses dispositions demeureront néanmoins obligatoires entre les belligérants qui y participent.
              Translate yourself.
              3. Appeal of the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - the Government of the German Empire did not oblige to anything. Moreover, in the appeal of the Government of the USSR, extremely significant reservations were made. Under these conditions, the Reich could either show "goodwill" - or not. Hitler - for obvious reasons (just read "Mein Kampf") - decided that such "goodwill" not to show. The result is more than well known.

              And the “liberda” (especially yours) has nothing to do with it. I am a radical Greater Poland nationalist of radically far-right views.
          5. Walking April 26 2020 12: 25 New
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            Quote: Sergey Zhikharev
            Oh yes of course!
            The Germans did not plan to destroy the Soviet people, so they strictly followed the rules of warfare. Several anti-aircraft guns - there is a reason to stoke a medical ship. The Russians did not sign the Geneva and Hague conventions - there are legitimate reasons to destroy captured Russians. And the fact that German planes shot columns of refugees-this is all the propaganda of the USSR.
            So what?

            What kind of non-humans for such a comment put so many advantages?
      2. Archon April 25 2020 21: 30 New
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        41 would have become because it was so ordered. and at 45, the attitude towards the USSR changed, but they would still, because were losing.
      3. Xnumx vis April 26 2020 08: 21 New
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        Quote: Sergey Zhikharev
        And if they were not there, then the Nazis would not drown the Soviet ship ....

        Here explain to me, wretched, dumb, stupid, why they destroyed ordinary, women, children, old people, prisoners - (unarmed, wounded) soldiers in the end. camps ... They conducted sadistic medical experiments on them, they pumped out blood from children ... It’s also like people were without guns and rifles ...? Why did the Nazis bomb cities and villages with peaceful people ....?
        1. Sergey Zhikharev April 26 2020 10: 29 New
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          Here explain to me, wretched, dumb, stupid, why they destroyed ordinary, women, children, old people, prisoners - (unarmed, wounded) soldiers in the end. camps ... They conducted sadistic medical experiments on them, they pumped out blood from children ... It’s also like people were without guns and rifles ...? Why did the Nazis bomb cities and villages with peaceful people ....?

          Theory of the Super Race and Living Space.
          Arias (Germans) must live, and subhuman (Slavs) must die. Those who can work - let them work, those who can not work - and should not live. And since it is wasteful to destroy subhuman just like that, each resource must be used. We need an experimental "rabbit" or "laboratory mice" - there are prisoners; human blood is needed - there is a resource (children, women, adults - no difference). At the same time, the fascists themselves somehow did not bother that they mix the blood of the ARIEVs and Subhumans.
          As for the bombing of cities and villages, the answer is simple: war. A defenseless city or a major strategic object, Polish, Norwegian, English, Yugoslav - no difference.
      4. mintai_kot April 26 2020 13: 22 New
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        And you are aware that of the 28 million dead in World War II, according to various sources, from 15 to 18 million are civilians !?
    3. figwam April 25 2020 18: 41 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, there were several anti-aircraft guns in Armenia ...

      And my grandfather was traveling on June 22, 1941 from Brest, on a passenger train, but German aircraft bombed the train.
    4. svp67 April 25 2020 20: 19 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, there were several anti-aircraft guns in Armenia ...

      "William Gustlov" was our answer ...
      I hope the ship is already recognized as a "military burial"
      1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 04: 30 New
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        Yes, there were Soviet answers and much more abruptly "Gustlova" in military significance. "Tortilla" and "Teiju" can be remembered for example.
    5. Piramidon April 25 2020 20: 23 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, there were several anti-aircraft guns in Armenia ...

      It seems like an excuse for the Nazis.
      1. Zementbomber April 25 2020 20: 35 New
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        Honestly - I for example - strongly notI am sure that the FOSHists need to justify themselves loved by AntifA ...
        1. bukhach April 26 2020 09: 26 New
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          Why justify them, they must be destroyed, however, this applies not only to the Nazis but to the other extreme of all colors and colors so that they do not imagine about themselves.
          1. Zementbomber April 27 2020 11: 19 New
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            So "their" no one "justifies." AntiFa - by all means tries to merge the Fa into the raw materials. The Fa, in turn, is doing its best to merge AntiFa into the scrap raw materials. The usual game of Life. "those" versus "these".
    6. Olgovich April 25 2020 20: 35 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, there were several anti-aircraft guns in Armenia ...

      what do you regret request

      guns were installed only AFTER have already been bombed unarmed sanitary ships "Kotovsky" "Adjara", Kuban ".

      Those. it was a FORCED measure and an answer to lawlessness.

      the mistake was the order to call the ship in Yalta, where he lost night time ....
      1. New Year day April 25 2020 23: 54 New
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        the mistake was an order to go to Yalta

        There were a lot of mistakes:
        1. evacuation of all doctors by one ship
        2. Beria’s order to return the ship from Yalta to Balaklava- and who dares not to fulfill his order request
        3. the mistake of two fighters, covering the ship and two MO
        1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 03 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Beria’s order to return the ship from Yalta to Balaklava- and who dares not to fulfill his order

          There it seems like the NKVD with their pieces of paper stuffed.
          1. New Year day April 26 2020 00: 09 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            There it seems like the NKVD with their pieces of paper stuffed.

            Who knows? Maybe paper, maybe not. Maybe that's why they dived into it?
            1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 12 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Maybe paper, maybe not. Maybe that's why they dived into it?

              In the Komsomol read in the early 90's. The NKVD exported its archive.
              1. New Year day April 26 2020 00: 15 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                The NKVD exported its archive.

                somewhere in my youth I read, gold, money from the state bank, museum valuables, so there can be both
                1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 19 New
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                  Quote: Silvestr
                  read gold, money of the state bank, museum values

                  This is a provocation laughing I read that the ship turned off precisely because of the NKVD archive. Well, something like this.
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        2. Zementbomber April 26 2020 04: 37 New
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          The mistakes of the Black Sea Fleet command in this story really were over dofig (although in fact it is not even clear - were there MO transport escorts and, if so, one or two?) - Vice Admiral Ivanov - “Oktyabrsky” was that “kiwifruit”. But there was no "order of Beria."
        3. Olgovich April 26 2020 07: 51 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Beria’s order to return the ship from Yalta to Balaklava- and who dares not to fulfill his order

          an incomprehensible and inexplicable attempt to embrace the immense - to download one. the ship already overloaded in Sevastopol, also in balaclava and Yalta ...

          because in. Sevastopol there were dozens more, much less valuable ships ....
    7. Prisoner April 25 2020 20: 41 New
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      You still let a tear. Crocodile. Do you want to say that if the ship didn’t have weapons, these “superhuman people” would not sink? You, my friend, seem to be one of those who will grow out of the "knees from Urengoy." My wife’s grandfather died near Kalinin. He was seriously injured in a hospital, which these Fritz bastards bombed with the utmost care. What? Red cross on the panels and no air defense. So the bastards show off.
    8. NKT
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      On Athenia they were not, but this did not save her.
      1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 04: 42 New
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        “Athenia” - went with the lights off. Which, according to the then Conventions, regulating the rules of b / d at sea - made it a legitimate target for an attack without warning by a warship, a TCA or a submarine.
        1. NKT
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          I read somewhere that the actions of the captain of the submarine violated the London Maritime Agreement, which says that you can only drown a passenger / merchant ship if you “remove” all passengers and ship documents to a safe place.

          Germany until the end of the war hid the torpedoing of this ship. If they were “right,” then what was there to hide? Moreover, the captain of the submarine himself told Doenitz that it seemed to him that the ship was patrolling, there was no talk of any navigation lights.
          1. Zementbomber April 27 2020 11: 22 New
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            According to the report of the commander of U-30 - "the ship was sailing without navigation lights, on an anti-submarine zigzag and a general course unusual for merchant ships." Why it was identified as an auxiliary cruiser.
            And they hid it - for propaganda reasons. In September 1939 (before the bombing of Warsaw) - all parties still portrayed that they "intend to wage and are waging a" merciful war "in strict accordance with international law and even more humane than current international military law allows." + big politics. Prior to, EMNIS, on September 30 - against ships identified as French (even military) - ships and submarines Kriegsmarine were allowed to use weapons only for self-defense and protection of other vessels flying the German flag.

            Generally - a war between any civilized societies is usually not begins as a ruthlessly merciless massacre. The escalation of cruelty is a process of some duration always. But why not go far for examples: ours, too, in April 2014, were still almonds with divisions (like separs then almonds with ours). And already in August - often they didn’t even take each other prisoner - they shot at the place nafig. And "good" even if "just" shot "...
    9. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 21: 28 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, in Armenia there were several anti-aircraft guns.

      In July 41, the Adzharia sanitary transports (of the same type as the ones with Armenia) and the Kuban were sunk, although they met the requirements for hospital ships (in particular, they did not carry armaments). Four 45-mm semi-automatic machines on "Armenia" appeared after the destruction of the above-mentioned vessels.

      German aircraft attacked hospital ships on most of the theater, including and on the Black Sea
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      1. The leader of the Redskins April 26 2020 00: 09 New
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        4 45 mm k21 and 4 12.7 mm machine guns.
        You were banned in Google or you want to change the history of your assumptions? And do not poke me, otherwise it will break.
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    11. kamikaze April 26 2020 00: 27 New
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      then the Soviet submarine of 1945, February or January, sank the fascist ship GUSTOF in the Baltic Sea, sinking 6000 fascists and another second ship sinking 5000 fascists.
    12. Revolver April 26 2020 20: 56 New
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      The Germans are still trying to hang dogs on Marinesco for Gustlov, they say, a war criminal, but what about the Xe-111 crew and those who sent it to the mission and aimed it at the target? Moreover, “Gustlov” came with an escort of warships (I do not remember offhand the class, but like destroyers), and he himself had several FLAK 88mm on board, which, if successful, could sink a submarine, i.e. in fact, he was a warship. Well, the school of diving officers to the wounded and civilians can not be attributed.
  2. Olegi1 April 25 2020 18: 11 New
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    And after that, someone dares to reproach Marinesco for Wilhelm Gustlov?

    I would like to remind the non-regular "partners" ...
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      Quote: Olegi1
      I would like to remind the non-regular "partners" ...

      The Americans had such a Dudley Walker Morton. He heroically shot survivors from sunken ships. And everything would be fine .... But once the majority of those killed were Indian prisoners of war. Which led to a scandal. However, the command said that those on boats themselves attacked a submarine
    2. BREAKTHROUGH READY April 25 2020 18: 50 New
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      I look, the cuckoo has gone completely from the Russophobia liberda.
      Attempts to justify themselves in front of the “partners”, putting Nazis and Russian heroes on the same level, cause nothing but contempt. Ugh on you.
      1. Svarog51 April 25 2020 19: 20 New
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        Buddy hi wait a bit. The attack was not planned.
        1. novel66 April 25 2020 20: 54 New
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          and where is the general staff?
          1. Svarog51 April 26 2020 02: 34 New
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            In the bunker, there is the safest place.
    3. Zementbomber April 26 2020 06: 02 New
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      Who "reproaches Marinesco for" Wilhelm Gustlov "?? The legitimate target for the attack, the brilliant success of the CBF. Higt-class worked, in short. And this is the point of view of precisely those whom you scornfully call the "Europeans." By the way - the question: Why is not a drop of Marinesco GSS? (and that this is not gut) - the first to be raised in print by the Swedish sailors. In the midst of the Cold War ...
  3. Graz April 25 2020 18: 23 New
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    By the way, here I look at the photo in the article of the ship and the people on it, somehow I can’t believe that 5 to 10 thousand people and any other evacuated goods fit there
    1. Vitas April 25 2020 18: 45 New
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      Quote: Graz
      By the way, here I look at the photo in the article of the ship and the people on it, somehow I can’t believe that 5 to 10 thousand people and any other evacuated goods fit there

      If you want to live, you’re not getting so bored!
    2. Peter is not the first April 25 2020 19: 34 New
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      From this angle from Wikipedia, it looks much larger:

      Manufacturer: Baltic Plant
      Launched 1928 year
      Commissioned 1928 year
      5770 ton displacement
      Length 107,7 m
      Width 15,5 m
      Crew 96 people
      Passenger capacity 950 people
    3. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 20: 46 New
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      The stretchers with the wounded were erected in Armenia, people stood as if in a crowded tram. If Armenia from Sevastopol immediately went to the shores of the Caucasus, then it would not be sunk - the transition would be night. But the captain was ordered to go to Yalta and pick up high-ranking party leaders. This is with the seriously injured on board when every minute is precious. As a result, Armenia left Yalta during daylight hours and was sunk.
      1. Sergey S. April 25 2020 21: 27 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        But the captain was ordered to go to Yalta and pick up high-ranking party leaders. This is with the seriously injured on board when every minute is precious. As a result, Armenia left Yalta during daylight hours and was sunk.

        What happened, what happened ...
        Calling to Yalta was a mistake.
        But what would you do as a fleet commander or a ship commander.
        Indeed, in Yalta, the Soviet leaders remained, who, when the Germans appeared, were supposed to be identified first and destroyed.
        Destroyed and members of their families.
        And there was nowhere to go from Yalta.
        The experience of such situations comes with some delay.
        But in June 1942, “Tashkent” passed by without stopping at the place where the sailors of the “Impeccable” and the soldiers of the 142nd OSB died.
        And in October 1943, while trying to save the comrades, the leader of Kharkov, the destroyers Ruthless and Capable, were killed. Again in the war they showed humanity ...
        This is a very difficult problem.

        I don’t know how I would live if I knew that saving me, I had to abandon families in Yalta with women and children to be destroyed by the Nazis.
        1. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 21: 39 New
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          In the Yalta Bay there were a lot of small-tonnage, but quite seafaring vessels: yachts, fishing boats, various kinds of small bulk carriers and bulk carriers. Remember how the British evacuated from Dunkirk through the English Channel. On everything that floated. For these figures from Yalta, according to the testimony of a surviving NKVD officer, the wounded cabins were cleared. From the wounded !!! Big uncles wanted to sail in comfort.
          1. Sergey S. April 25 2020 21: 45 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Big uncles wanted to sail in comfort.

            I think it was not uncle who arranged it, but the senior assistant of “Armenia” showed inhumane initiative.
            In this case, this is not the main thing ...
            1. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 21: 55 New
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              Who gave this order to enter and leave Yalta during daylight hours is not clear. Ends in the water. But this is clearly not the initiative of the Armenian crew. The order of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of Oktyabrsky was in force, banning access to the sea until 19.00, that is, before dark, due to the lack of air cover. It is unlikely that the captain or one of his assistants could take and ignore the order of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, without pressure from above.
              1. Sergey S. April 25 2020 21: 58 New
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                Who gave this order to enter and leave Yalta during daylight hours is not clear.

                This is understandable.
                I wrote that for the Yalta people inhumanly freed the cabins from the wounded ...
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                Who gave this order to enter and leave Yalta in the daytime,

                call to Yalta was after the order to return to Balaklava. There the NKVD loaded with boxes and the ship sailed to Yalta. After loading, retreat was only possible in the daytime, since there were already Germans in the suburbs of the city.
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              If there was an archive of the NKVD, then the papers there are “Secret” and “Sov. Secret.” So put a separate place and security.
      2. Avior April 25 2020 23: 43 New
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        In addition, some cargo was loaded in Balaklava, escorted by NKVD officers.
    4. Zementbomber April 26 2020 04: 57 New
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      By the way, here I look at the photo in the article of the ship and the people on it, somehow I can’t believe that 5 to 10 thousand people and any other evacuated goods fit there

      Well, LKR "Red Caucasus" somehow took on a campaign in Sevastopol 4700 people. With weapons, equipment and ammunition, moreover.
      There were 2600 people on the entire 1988-ton sea coastal passenger ferry Dona Paz, which died on the eve of 4399.
  4. anjey April 25 2020 18: 34 New
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    On November 7, 1941, at 11 a.m., a German torpedo bomber He-25 launched two torpedoes and both hit the target on a ship that had the distinctive signs of a medical vessel. The ship sank literally in 111 minutes, taking to the bottom from five to ten thousand people, the exact number of victims has not yet been established.
    It’s only according to Mikhalkov that the “good” Germans distribute chocolate to our soldiers from their tanks and bomb paramedics only after the evil Russians hit the naked German ass (Citadel) .......
    1. Mwg
      Mwg April 25 2020 19: 14 New
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      So that chocolate from the tanks was with amphitamine (standard equipment) and they distributed it not just like that, but to unleash the languages ​​of prisoners and local residents in order to collect information.
      1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 04: 59 New
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        hair dryer - not unleashes the tongue. You obviously never used it. bully
  5. lopvlad April 25 2020 18: 50 New
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    on board were archives, museum collections and collections


    interesting expedition for museum exhibits will be, or will be left at the bottom.
    1. Avior April 25 2020 23: 44 New
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      I think it is unlikely that the paintings have survived for so many years
      1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 26 New
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        It is unlikely that the paintings have survived for so many years

        Ekatirana the second bought a bunch of canvases from the Dutch. Still lying at the bottom, and no one can lift. Our claim, the Dutch (their ship) and the Swedes (sank in their waters). Madhouse, in short.
        1. Avior April 26 2020 00: 27 New
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          I did not think that canvases can be stored in sea water for so many years
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            I did not think that canvases can be stored in sea water for so many years

            They are packed in tubes and filled with lead. There Van Gogh, and some other famous ones. In the 90s, drivers found the ship. Somewhere in the Baltic.
            1. Avior April 26 2020 00: 40 New
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              Frau Maria, 27 paintings, estimated at one and a half billion green papers
              If intact, of course
              But it seems that now the Finns are claiming them, the place of death used to be Swedish, now it is the waters of Finland and supposedly if they have been lying under water for a hundred years, they consider their own according to the law
              One hundred years was in 2017
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.ru/v-strane/3690786/amp

              I wonder how the story ends
              1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 44 New
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                I wonder how the story ends

                Exactly. Catherine then paid for them. request
                1. Avior April 26 2020 00: 51 New
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                  An important and serious argument, but not an undeniable one
                  Someone once paid for all the cargo, but the ships and old cargo are raised like that for the benefit of themselves
                  Many nuances
                  1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 00: 53 New
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                    Many nuances

                    In fact of the matter. You can’t figure it out without a glass. recourse
  6. Ham
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    it’s fun to watch how ukro-bots try to justify the Nazis by any means ....
    it’s just turned into some kind of propaganda viper
  7. Mwg
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    The kingdom of heaven to all those who died in that war ...
  8. Dmitry Zverev April 25 2020 19: 21 New
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    It is a well-known and verified fact in history that, under certain circumstances, our Western European partners (especially Germans) from respectable, law-abiding citizens turn into wild and ruthless animals without exception.
    1. Van 16 April 25 2020 19: 44 New
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      It has long been known that "the gentleman west of Suez is not responsible for what he does east of Suez"
    2. Avior April 25 2020 23: 46 New
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      Sorry, it’s not visible there, you don’t know, this is a poster of what time?
  9. begemot20091 April 25 2020 19: 23 New
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    [quote = Gammon] it's fun to watch how ukro-bots try to justify the fascists by any means ....
    it’s just turned into some kind of propaganda viper
    Every time I use the example of the Czechs, I will be reminded of these traitors, tormented by the Holodomor, the Stalinist repressions and ... all their liberalistic crap, about traitors, and especially about those whom they raise to the shield like "Prague Spring".
    Here I spread again:
    why did the Czechs surrender without a fight?

    All this causes bewilderment. There were more than ten thousand Czech pillboxes and forts, and on the Mannerheim line, for example, there were only a few hundred. Their quality was good too - it impressed even Hitler, who was usually contemptuous of the Slavs. Czech tanks were clearly superior to German, aviation was comparable in number, and taking into account Soviet military assistance - as if not more numerous. The excellent Skoda artillery is also familiar to our army - from it the Wehrmacht fired at us. The small arms of the Czechs of the USSR also tried on their own skin. Czech machine guns ZB-26 for their high combat qualities, the SS troops preferred the German MG and fought with them. Why did the Czechs not dare to fight, surrendering to German requirements? All these centuries, they were not so much an ethnic group as an ethnic substrate - next to the Germans who actively absorbed this substrate. The only bad thing in this situation was that people with such an undeveloped national feeling were for some reason given sovereignty, which they did not really need. What is won without a fight is often not appreciated. September 1938 is a great example of this kind. The main reason for the surrender of the Czechs was not the Munich agreement. This reason was their unwillingness to do at least something for their independence.
    1. Zementbomber April 25 2020 20: 26 New
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      Here I spread again:
      why did the Czechs surrender without a fight?

      First you have to have a bite. And only then "spread." bully
      The “Czech Maginot Line” by the end of September 1938 had approximately 1200 DOS. At the same time, at all artillery DOS except Tverzi Boud DOS, neither armored towers nor casemate artillery weapons were mounted. The completion date for its construction was determined - as much as 1946 (!!) year.
      The rest of your "information" is about the same "level". negative
    2. Kronos April 25 2020 23: 47 New
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      Czech leaders all signed and approved it only in the films the masses of the people will fight against their leadership
    3. Red Dragon April 26 2020 00: 32 New
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      Do not forget that about a quarter of the population of Czechoslovakia were Germans. In the Sudeten region, they were under 90 percent. But they are just border ones, and when attacking Germany, who do you think these residents would support? no
      1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 05: 13 New
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        There, not only the Sudeten Germans (25% of the population) did not burn, to put it mildly, with the desire to fight for “native Czechoslovakia.” Still Bohemian, Moravian and Slovak (in Bratislava there were 120 thousand) Germans, Hungarians (1.2 million per second) , Poles, Ruthenians, Romanians ... Yes, and the Slovaks were also not very eager for battle - but with great enthusiasm (and for the second time) they separated at the first opportunity. + Czechs who consider themselves to be “Moravians.” Czechoslovakia-1938 - it was such a "patchwork" mini-empire in the manner of Austria-Hungary, from which it stood out in 1918. And just as "durable" ...
    4. phair April 26 2020 01: 58 New
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      Second Lieutenant Pavlik fought for 2 hours (until 3 times ordered). They shot in the 43rd. Not all Czechs are eccentric. Ludwig Freedom is an example.
      1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 05: 22 New
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        Yeah - "not an eccentric" he was. negative He surrendered Czechoslovakia without a fight to the troops of the Warsaw Treaty in August 1968. Having more than all the possibilities, it was robust to wash the blood of interventionists. The insignificance ... negative
        1. phair April 26 2020 05: 52 New
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          And the Czechs never fought. Freedom and Pavlik are an exception. Pavlik personally. I don’t take into account the feldsher’s guide frolic on the Trans-Siberian Railway.
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            In fact, the military history of the Czech Republic is quite epic. Some Hussite wars are worth it!
            Well, the Czechoslovak Corps in red on the "Kolchakov Front" - quite weakly inserted enemas with broken glass.
            1. phair April 26 2020 06: 37 New
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              It has its own atmosphere. Transsiberian. There is no maneuver. And the war, as you know, garbage ...
              1. Zementbomber April 26 2020 07: 27 New
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                A war can be very funny, but that a real war is “bullshit” - I would not he said. In my experience in cr. least. smile
                And the hostilities on the Eastern Front in your Civilian - were completely not only in areas adjacent to the Trans-Siberian Railway.
        2. bukhach April 26 2020 09: 47 New
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          And you ... uh, only scoundrels can insult a person who fought against fascism. Forgotten, even the fascists themselves.
          1. Zementbomber April 27 2020 11: 37 New
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            The fight against Nazism - not can serve as an excuse for bestial cowardice as a Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of their own country. Even if this fight was successful. "The army - must fight, if possible - to win, - and - if necessary - to die - it is no longer suitable for anything and is not needed!" (with) Army General Ludwik Freedom - in 1968 betrayed his State and his Nation.
  10. 39GB April 25 2020 19: 28 New
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    The Black Sea Fleet’s command was not childish: they put mines, it’s not clear from anyone, they’ll wait for landing from the sea, then they will send ambulance transport without a convoy and cover. A lot of medical personnel of the Black Sea Fleet, wounded, evacuated, crew were lost at “Armenia”. The numbers are called over 5 people, although the exact number is above, I'm afraid we will not know.
    1. Phil77 April 25 2020 19: 44 New
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      * Armenia * was accompanied by two boats, from the air it was covered by two I-153 fighters.
    2. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 21: 00 New
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      The naval historian caperang Vladimir Shigin gives the figure of 9000 people.
      1. Phil77 April 25 2020 22: 11 New
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        The same story as with * Gustlof * figures are approximate. If it is already impossible to accurately determine the number of deaths in peacetime on * Titanic *, then what about these disasters.
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          and with * Gustlof * approximate figures

          ,,, or "Goya"
      2. Zementbomber April 26 2020 05: 24 New
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        The naval historian caperang Vladimir Shigin gives the figure of 9000 people.

        Otfonarnaya digit. As in many other cases, no one even considered people aboard the “Armenia” rudely.
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      then the ambulance will be sent without a convoy and cover

      "Armenia" was accompanied by two boats MO-4 and a pair of I-153 fighters, but both of them, the Heinkel attack missed.

      But, having cover, "Armenia" automatically lost in the legal sense the status of a hospital ship.

      Quote: 39RUS
      Black Sea Fleet command is not childish

      strange, happened ... But in the place of the captain of "Armenia" what would you do? Remained in Yalta, risking being bombed, and waiting for the advancing Germans to either seize the ship or shoot it with artillery?
      The Germans captured Yalta on November 8, the day after the departure of "Armenia"
  11. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 19: 35 New
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    And when did you find something? This season must be assumed.
    I read for this ship. There, almost by the hour, his actions were sorted out. And the movement. And the actions of the command also understood ...
    The final verdict was a dark affair.
    1. SHURUM -BURUM April 25 2020 19: 41 New
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      ... the ship was discovered by the deep-sea apparatus of the Ministry of Defense off the coast of Crimea, about 18 kilometers from Yalta at a depth of 1500 meters ...
      So still looking for a plane? Well, what's the bottom? For a long time, scribblers wrote that there at the bottom there are such terrible deposits of silt and hydrogen sulfide. That's how it smells !!! Crimea will not be !!! But how really?
      1. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 19: 53 New
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        And, what, to this day have not found something?! .. This is a turn ...
        I’ve forgotten even here. And he was sure that everything was discovered and taken out without too much noise.
        1. Phil77 April 25 2020 21: 24 New
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          No wonder. * The Titanic * sank in 1912, and it was found only in 1985, despite the seemingly known coordinates of the death.
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            ,,, technology appeared, and found it.
            despite the seemingly known coordinates of the death
            ,, approximate.
            1. Phil77 April 25 2020 21: 40 New
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              No Sergey! Not everything is so simple! He was searched, objectively!, From the beginning of the 70s. Technologies then allowed it, but did not find it. For? .... the coordinates of the death were different !!!
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                stop The main difficulty was that the place of death was known with very low accuracy - it was about an area of ​​100 kilometers in diameter. Given the fact that the Titanic sank in an area where the depth of the Atlantic is several kilometers, the search for a ship was a very problematic yes
                1. Phil77 April 25 2020 21: 51 New
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                  Here! Here I am about it! By the way, I read that Mr. Ballard was * taken * to the place of the ship’s death, as the Americans already knew it. In view of the fact that in those parts they were looking for some kind of sunken submarine / here you are cards in hand! You are in these matters special ./, well, stumbled upon him by accident!
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                    ,,I think so what , in matters of underwater searches, Konstantin could say something practical.
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                      The depths are clearly not his! laughing He's a diver, after all.
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                        ,,, knows the principles of searches, or does he have a non-disclosure subscription termless?laughing
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                        or is his non-disclosure subscription unlimited?

                        Who? At Stirlitz? wassat
                2. bubalik April 25 2020 21: 56 New
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                  they were looking for some kind of sunken submarine

                  yes The vessel R / V Knorr and the Argo apparatus were to carry out a mission to examine the sites of the death of two American nuclear submarines Scorpio and Thresher, which had sunk back in the 1960s.
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                    Here! I’m saying that in these matters all hope is for you! good
            2. bubalik April 25 2020 21: 51 New
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              ,,, and with Armenia, or intentionally the coordinates of the death were incorrect or what?
              The official report on the death of “Armenia” reads as follows: “At 11 hours (November 25, 7), the TR Armenia, which was guarding two patrol boats from Yalta to Tuapse with wounded and passengers, was attacked by an enemy torpedo bomber. One of the two dropped torpedoes hit the bow of the ship and at 1941 a.m. it sank at w = 11 gr. 29 min. 44sec., D = 15 gr. 5 min. Eight people were saved, about 34 people died. ”,, why so long could not find if the coordinates are known?
              1. Phil77 April 25 2020 22: 01 New
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                Well, you estimate, the ship sank within 4 minutes, therefore the coordinates are approximate. There was no time to determine them according to the situation! And before that, there was simply no need.
              2. mmaxx April 26 2020 06: 05 New
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                We were reckoning. And if the coordinates with an error are even 200 meters, then you’ll be tired of looking under water.
    2. Sergey Zhikharev April 25 2020 20: 06 New
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      For a long time, scribblers wrote that there at the bottom there are such terrible deposits of silt and hydrogen sulfide. That's how it smells !!! Crimea will not be !!! But how really?

      Manipulation of Consciousness, Kara-Murza
      Hydrogen sulfide boom. It is known that a feature of the Black Sea is the presence of a “hydrogen sulfide layer” in it. He was discovered a hundred years ago by a Russian boatswain, smelling a rope lowered to the depths, from which it smelled slightly of rotten eggs. The level of the “hydrogen sulfide layer” fluctuates, sometimes its boundary rises to a depth of only 50 m. In 1927, there were even “sea fires” during a large earthquake, and pillars of flame were observed in the sea in the regions of Sevastopol and Yevpatoriya.
      Perestroika in the USSR coincided with another rise in the hydrogen sulfide layer, and glasnost gave newspapers spicy information about the “sea fires” of 1927 (before, when there was no habit of scaring people, this information was not widely published). Convenient conditions for a major boom arose, and he was “untwisted”. Here are examples of hysterical predictions from 1989-1990. only in central newspapers:
      Literaturnaya Gazeta: “What will happen if, God forbid, a new earthquake occurs off the Black Sea coast?” Sea fires again? Or one flash, one grand torch? "Hydrogen sulfide is combustible and poisonous ... hundreds of thousands of tons of sulfuric acid will appear in the sky."
      “Working platform”: “A small earthquake is enough for hydrogen sulfide to come to the surface of the Black Sea and catch fire - and its coast will turn into a desert.”
      “Top Secret”: “There is enough coincidence in time and space ... a sharp decrease in atmospheric pressure and vertical flow. Boiling, water will saturate the air with toxic fumes of combustible gas. Where the deadly cloud will drift - God alone knows. It can cause casualties on the coast, in a matter of seconds it can turn a passenger airliner into a “flying Dutchman” 293: #.
      Finally, M.S. Gorbachev himself warned the world about the apocalypse coming from the USSR. He said from the rostrum of the International Global Forum on Environmental Protection and Development for Survival (what is the name of the forum!): “The upper boundary of the hydrogen sulfide layer in the Black Sea over the past decades has risen from a depth of 200 m to 75 m from the surface. Not much else, and through the threshold of the Bosphorus he will go to the Sea of ​​Marmara, Aegean and the Mediterranean. ” This statement was published in Pravda.
      Scientists - and oceanologists, and chemists - tried to explain to politicians that all this is ignorant nonsense (they naively thought). Well-known data were published in scientific journals:
      1. “Sea fires” of 1927 have nothing to do with hydrogen sulfide. They were observed in places distant from the boundary of the hydrogen sulfide zone for 60-200 km. Their reason is the emergence of methane from a Kryvyi Rih-Yevpatoriya tectonic fault during an earthquake. This is a gas-bearing region, drilling is underway there for gas production, natural gas outlets in this area in the form of “torches” are regularly observed. All this is well known, and the refusal of all major newspapers to publish this scholarly note directly indicates that it was a matter of deliberate misinformation.
      2. The maximum concentration of hydrogen sulfide in the water of the Black Sea is 13 mg per liter, which is 1000 times less than necessary so that it can be released from the water in the form of gas. A thousand times! Therefore, there can be no question of any kind of ignition, devastation of the coast and burning of liners. For hundreds of years, people have been using the hydrogen sulphide springs of Matsesta for therapeutic purposes (perhaps even M.S. Gorbachev himself enjoyed it). They have never heard of any explosions and fires, and even the smell of hydrogen sulfide is quite tolerable there. But the hydrogen sulfide content in the waters of Matsesta is hundreds of times higher than in the water of the Black Sea.
      There were times when people in mines encountered high-concentration hydrogen sulfide jets. This led to poisoning of people, but explosions, unlike methane, never were and could not be - the threshold explosive concentration of sulfur dioxide in the air is very high.
      3. Fatal concentrations of hydrogen sulfide in the air are 670-900 mg per cubic meter. But even at a concentration of 2 mg per cubic meter, the smell of hydrogen sulfide is unbearable. But even if the entire “hydrogen sulfide layer” of the Black Sea is suddenly thrown to the surface by some unknown force, the content of hydrogen sulfide in the air will be many times lower than the level of unbearable smell. So, a thousand times lower than the level dangerous to health. So there can be no talk of poisoning.
      4. Mathematical modeling of all conceivable regimes in fluctuations in sea level and atmospheric pressure over the Black Sea, carried out by oceanologists in connection with the statement of M.S. Gorbachev, showed that the flow of hydrogen sulfide into the Sea of ​​Marmara and beyond, with poisoning of western civilization sweet to his heart, absolutely impossible - even if the most powerful of the known tropical cyclones passes over Yalta.
      All this was thoroughly known, the hydrogen sulfide anomaly of the Black Sea has been studied for a hundred years by many scientists around the world. When the Soviet press began this boom, a number of authoritative scientists, including academics (!), Turned to newspapers - not one of them undertook to give soothing information. The most popular publication that managed to break into - the journal of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR "Nature", a journal for scientists. But he could not compare with the circulations of Pravda, Literaturnaya Gazeta, Spark of that time, or with the influence of television.
      1. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 20: 47 New
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        However, a detailed answer! ... Respect! ...
        If you do not climb into the wilds and in a nutshell ...
        Horrors and spontaneous combustion of the World Cup, hydrogen sulfides periodically scare local people, yes.
        Now I don’t remember, somewhere around the end of the eighties, the question was raised very seriously and urgently! I was a kid then. Fifteen years. Not today, tomorrow there will be earthquake, the sea will light up. Alive- envy the dead! It was scary. In fact.
        Tolchek or three ... There was a place to be. I personally felt on the fourth floor. Doors staggered ...
        However, in my memory, our Khrushchevs did not collapse from something, the sea did not ignite. And I see no reason for further fires. Although the "bulls" are carcasses about him.
        1. Sergey Zhikharev April 26 2020 10: 15 New
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          Thank you.
          At first I was going to write simply "concentration is not the same", and then I decided to look at the original.
          I remember after the tsunami in Southeast Asia (December 2004) there was a noise that the tsunami will be on the Black Sea (literally tomorrow or the day after tomorrow), and all cities on the Caucasus coast will be washed away. And then everything died out - maybe even BEFORE the Olympics.
      2. Zementbomber April 26 2020 05: 37 New
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        The most popular publication that managed to break into - the journal of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR "Nature", a journal for scientists.

        It was not "Nature" a "journal for scientists." Was in the cheats hall of every library and every park. The circulation is hundreds of thousands. Although he could not compare with Pravda, of course - yes. But I personally - his "October Revolution - brave kid" - began to read. And absolutely without any accessibility issues. Also awarded with the icon of the Society of Book lovers. laughing
    3. phair April 26 2020 02: 00 New
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      Hydrogen sulfide is dissolved at a depth below 50 meters. Do not bzdi, will not explode.
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        A lot lower.
  12. Sergey S. April 25 2020 21: 35 New
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    And when did you find something?

    It seems that “Armenia” is rediscovered by every new generation of Black Sea divers ...
    This "discovery" is definitely not the first.
    I suppose that upon discovering, they forget to document this and add the exact place to the list of Soyin burials.
    Which gives the right to the next expedition to announce a new discovery.
    1. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 21: 56 New
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      Duck is the thing.
      What is there that World Cup ?!
      But everything is entangled in mystery and darkness!
      During the Second World War, "Armenia" sank. No witnesses, no survivors. Nobody knows anything.
      You read right there, they bombed in direct visibility from the shore ...
      I mean, in the Arctic Ocean, you should not look ...
      Immediately - the torpedo bomber beat. But witnesses from the shore say that the bomber hit with a single bomb at the seradinu (this also happens). Steamboat hit in the middle and at the bottom ....
      1. Avior April 25 2020 23: 50 New
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        How is it no witnesses? Just as it is. Armenia marched with two boats and two planes
      2. New Year day April 26 2020 00: 05 New
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        Quote: Benzorez
        no survivors.

        several people were picked up and delivered to Yalta
  13. New Year day April 26 2020 00: 04 New
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    And when did you find something? This season must be assumed.

    the ship was found somewhere in the 16th year, but could not identify it.
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    The depth is great, of course. The tragedy is huge - one Sevastopol hospital is worth what - all the doctors, medical staff, equipment and all the wounded.
    But what’s still curious is that Beria, by personal order, delayed the exit of “Armenia,” the KGB officers loaded something there, and themselves set off on board the ship to escort the cargo.
    This "something" is still unknown, and probably of great value.
    1. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 20: 02 New
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      Yes, yes. It was this version that was blamed. As long as I remember. I have long read ...
      It seems that he was waiting for something there, so he had to go out in the afternoon. And here the BAM and the fascist covered one bomb.
      Also, the thing is ... Well, how would a fascist fly a little further ...
      Or he wouldn’t fly at all ... A motor wouldn’t be a parasite? Nothing would have happened that day.
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        It's not the fault ... The point is in it now. And what was it, why did they risk the ship and the evacuees?
        Yes, they lost at this risk, but the question remained: what was it?
    2. AU Ivanov. April 25 2020 21: 05 New
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      It seems like archives. But the main reason for the ship leaving in the daytime was the call to Yalta to pick up party officials from there. Although in Yalta there were plenty of boats from yachts to fishing vessels. Someone really wanted to swim in comfort.
    3. Sergey S. April 25 2020 21: 37 New
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      security officers loaded something there

      I think everything is simple - operational documents ... archives ...
      1. CommanderDIVA April 25 2020 23: 21 New
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        The NKVD would not until the last keep its archives in that situation, as a rule, such materials were taken out in advance, most likely the NKVD employees were taken
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          The NKVD would not until the last keep its archives in that situation, as a rule, such materials were taken out in advance, most likely the NKVD employees were taken

          There were definitely documents. Eyewitnesses saw boxes and sacks on the pier.
          Employees of the NKVD who were evacuated could be the bosses and their families. These were mainly the leaders of Yalta and other cities and party leaders, as well as their families.
          And the NKVD officers themselves remained - these were mainly border guards and operatives, mainly future partisans and underground workers. Their families could also be evacuated.
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      This "something" is still unknown, and probably of great value.

      maybe that's why the deep-sea vehicle was dragged to the Black Sea
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    on board were archives, museum collections and collections


    interesting expedition for museum exhibits will be, or will be left at the bottom.

    Actually this is an underwater burial. We’ll climb into the grave? Let them lie, there’s nothing to disturb the dead. hi
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    1. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 20: 29 New
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      What can you say ?! The Baltic states have always considered Russia / USSR as occupiers.
      The activities of Ukraine me (as an ex-citizen) over the past fifteen years plunged into despondency.
      Especially the confrontation Southeast / the rest of Ukraine escalated in '13 -14. Even before that, we didn’t love each other.
      In Crimea in '14, this escalated to impossibility. And the Russian Federation supported us. Thank you very much for this.
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    C ... ki German. So many people at once. Eh.
  • Gennady Fomkin April 25 2020 20: 28 New
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    The official report on the death of “Armenia” reads as follows: “At 11 hours (November 25, 7), the TR Armenia, which was guarding two patrol boats from Yalta to Tuapse with wounded and passengers, was attacked by an enemy torpedo bomber. One of the two dropped torpedoes hit the bow of the ship and at 1941 a.m. it sank at w = 11 gr. 29 min. 44 sec., D = 15 gr. 5 min. Eight people were saved, about 34 people died. ”
  • Valter1364 April 25 2020 20: 29 New
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    Everlasting memory!
  • Zementbomber April 25 2020 20: 49 New
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    Availability on board 8 units. anti-aircraft weapons and the protection of combat boats - automatically excluded the status of "ambulance transport" for "Armenia".
  • sagitch April 25 2020 20: 54 New
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    part of the party leadership of Crimea
    On the evening of November 6, "Armenia" went to the external raid of Balaklava to take the NKVD officers on board

    So many years have passed! Or did the enemy know something about the passengers? And ..., I would not want to, but ... did someone decide to hide behind the hospital? ...
    1. Petrol cutter April 25 2020 21: 12 New
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      No, as far as I remember, the main sorrows began much later than Baba Klava. Namely, in the area of ​​Yalta.
      There they waited / accepted something ...
      And honestly, I don’t believe in a mega conspiracy against the ship.
      Inclined to think, a coincidence has happened.
      That which did not come out at night is certainly not right.
      Again ... We were not there at that moment either.
      The ship commander knows better. Challenge his actions ...
      God forbid me to be in his place.
  • cniza April 25 2020 21: 01 New
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    The German torpedo bomber He-111 fired two torpedoes on the ship, which had the distinctive signs of a medical vessel, and both hit the target. The ship sank literally in 4 minutes, taking to the bottom from five to ten thousand people, the exact number of victims has not yet been established.


    This is their whole shakalya essence ...
  • agoran April 25 2020 21: 12 New
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    Hm. The ship entered the port, loading, including the NKVD and cargo.
    It is possible that not only values ​​but also archives, which were much more important.
    Well, the attack of a single torpedo bomber (not a pair, not a troika, without cover) leads to certain thoughts.
    1. Phil77 April 25 2020 21: 19 New
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      Pure water accident. 1941, the complete domination of German aviation in the air.
      1. agoran April 25 2020 21: 29 New
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        Well, hz I do not say anything, but what I saw in the museum, there the torpedoes correspond to a standard size of 4 Fab 250s and fly with a couple of these for free hunting on those types of comrades, well, I don’t think that the Germans were fools.
        Explicitly pointed.
        1. Phil77 April 25 2020 21: 37 New
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          A pair of our fighters patrolled at an altitude of about 3000 meters, as they were mostly afraid of dive bombers. Well, the guys missed a low-flying torpedo bomber, and a couple of watchdogs unjustifiably went far ahead. Such an ambush happened! By the way, in February of this year there was an article about this disaster on the VO. And the article and discussion were quite good!
          1. agoran April 25 2020 21: 48 New
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            Seriously?
            Ie one torpedo bomber (read the target) flew without cover?
            Hmm, Goering at his Communist Party in Lertz ate bread in vain.
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              Well, why not? Free hunting. Yes, and it was 41 years old on the calendar, things were going well at that time. Heinkel 111 is hardly a target.
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                Well, not a fact. Bomb load of 1500 kg., Well, or a couple of torpedoes.
                Of the defensive 3 7,92 MG-15, the crew of 4 people, well, obviously not Stratofortress.
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                  Lada! Then we attribute this situation to the self-confidence of the Germans and .... I repeat, in the fall of 1941, which generated this self-confidence!
                  1. agoran April 25 2020 22: 34 New
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                    If you will, I'll take a little action.
                    In Crimea, there was a large diaspora of Germans, even during the 1st MB, spies and saboteurs were caught, I do not go into history, read it yourself.
                    So, here I am inclined to the idea that here too there was an obvious aiming at the target.
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                      Quote: agoran
                      In Crimea there was a large diaspora of Germans

                      There were Tatars. I read the memoirs of the commander of the Crimean underground, the Tatars and the Germans were very friends.
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                  Well no. You give the characteristics of the He.111 era of the beginning of the War in Spain. In 1941, it was already a pretty different airplane.
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          Quote: agoran
          Well, hz I do not say anything, but what I saw in the museum, there the torpedoes correspond to a standard size of 4 Fab 250s and fly with a couple of these for free hunting on those types of comrades, well, I don’t think that the Germans were fools.
          Explicitly pointed.

          Quote: agoran
          Seriously?
          Ie one torpedo bomber (read the target) flew without cover?

          It was not uncommon to fly solo Condors (they were even called the scourge of the Atlantic) Focke-Wulf Fw 200. This is a hefty 4-engine car. Could attack the target itself, if it seemed too tough, or else circled over a convoy discovered, constantly transmitting coordinates, to submarines, and directing aircraft (conceived - of its own brothers). Convoys did not have air cover, and Condors acted at the beginning of World War II with almost impunity.
          In the Black Sea, German dominance was overwhelming.
    2. Grigory_45 April 25 2020 22: 55 New
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      Well, the attack of a single torpedo bomber (not a pair, not a troika, without cover) leads to certain thoughts

      Free hunting. It was practiced not only by fighters, but also by pilots of bombers and torpedo bombers.
      In addition, there was especially nobody to fear - Luftwaffe aircraft dominated the sky. Meet the Soviet fighters - the probability is very small.
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    In war as in war ... moral standards do not apply ...
    Napoleon’s fighters during the campaign to Moscow were offended by Russian men who fenced not according to the rules adopted in Europe ... but simply deafened on the head ...
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  • Emphasis April 25 2020 23: 43 New
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    In fact, a great day for the repose of many people !!! Land they rest in peace.
    And about the anti-aircraft guns, on the one hand it seems like yes, with them the ship is no longer civilian and this is a fact.
    But one must look at the circumstances. First of all, the plane was alone. This means that there was probably no preliminary aerial reconnaissance and the plane flew to torpedo the ship. It is unlikely that the pilot would make a preliminary flight, then again went in for torpedoing. With a high degree of probability, we can say that they deliberately bombed.
    The only option could be that he was fired by the same anti-aircraft guns and went on the attack. Then the anti-aircraft gunners themselves signed a sentence.
    But as for me, it is nevertheless closer to the truth the first option, in which the ship was sunk consciously.
    Be that as it may, this is a great event, a day of justice and tranquility !!!
  • bubalik April 26 2020 00: 18 New
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    ,,, in early August, the ship was re-equipped for transporting the wounded from Odessa, changing its status and painted in a spherical color, traditional for a warship. On the vessel were installed 4x45mm 21K universal guns and four 12,7mm machine guns. Since August 10, 1941 it’s already incorrect to call “Armenia” a ship, it’s a ship that was part of the Black Sea Fleet, because he, in addition to weapons, receives a fully military command.
    ,,, from the point of view of shipbuilding, it is impossible to accommodate 5 thousand people on board the “Armenia”. This is a very large quantity. An analysis of the transportation of the same type of transport "Abkhazia" and "Georgia" shows that the maximum number of personnel transported by these vehicles at a time never exceeded 2,7 thousand people. Calculations of the capacity for these ships show that when transporting such a number of passengers, the personnel had to be placed on the upper deck while standing, and in office space sitting on the floor. At the same time, at least 4 people were supposed to sit on each stationary bed, and the hanging beds should be removed, i.e. transportation of the wounded was excluded.
    1. bubalik April 26 2020 00: 39 New
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      ,,, traditionally, the drowning of “Armenia” is attributed to group II./KG26, its 6th squadron (12 aircraft) was based at the Buzeau airfield west of Galati, in Romania, from where this squadron operated on communications in the Odessa region.
      Theoretically, her planes could reach Yalta, the distance from the airfield to Yalta is about 700 km, the radius of this aircraft, 800-900 km (flight range 1950 km). But there is one “but”: since October 19, 1941. Squadron aircraft did not, not a single sortie.
      ,,, the Black Sea Fleet aviation could not ensure the passage of the vessel, especially since the documents mention I-153, which is also strange, because the time spent by airplanes in the air was limited, especially considering the need to return to Sevastopol.

      So the questions are full.
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        the time spent by airplanes in the air was limited, especially considering the need to return to Sevastopol.

        They could be based not on Sevas. At that time, they still had the entire Kerch Peninsula east of the Ak-Monai border.
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      ,,, from the point of view of shipbuilding, it is impossible to accommodate 5 thousand people on board the “Armenia”.

      At half the size of Donna Pas, there were over 400 people. And not refugees, but commercial passengers.
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        FRAUD - should be "over 4000 people."
  • Ravil_Asnafovich April 26 2020 07: 27 New
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    Marinesco, hero of the Soviet Union.
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    So invoice Grandma Merkel for payment taking into account the accrued interest and convict for destruction SANITARY vessel.
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      Yes, no it, nafig, was not "sanitary". See discussion. The Government of Germany - will send far. And there will be a right to 146%.
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    And on November 7th, the 41st at 23.00 was light?
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    Other sources write that the attack on "Armenia" was two torpedo bombers. ……… The first target was spotted by a pair of German torpedo bombers Heinkel He-111. Our fighters considered the diving bombers of the Yu-87 to be the main danger, therefore they patrolled high and did not notice low-flying vehicles. The boats were ahead and also missed the attack. The overloaded ship could not leave in time for the anti-torpedo zigzag. Later, during interrogations, the katerniki testified that two torpedoes of the Heinkel’s lead passed by and exploded in the coastal cliffs. The second came from the shore, on a shaver, tightening the crests of the waves with screws. The torpedo hit the bow compartment, "Armenia" sank literally in a matter of minutes ... ... ..

    https://svpressa.ru/post/article/263675/?utm_source=warfiles.ru
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    A war can be very funny, but that a real war is “bullshit” - I would not he said. In my experience in cr. least. smile
    And the hostilities on the Eastern Front in your Civilian - were completely not only in areas adjacent to the Trans-Siberian Railway.

    And what experience and where, I want to ask?
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      1. Andrey VOV April 27 2020 12: 08 New
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        And on whose side?
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          1. Andrey VOV April 27 2020 13: 01 New
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            A polygamist, and even an enemy ... Evano as
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              What, nafig, "polygamist" ?? I have one wife. The fourth is already true. laughing But there are girls in common with his wife, yes. smile
              Well, yes - I am the enemy of Russkago Agro. And my Girls, too. For four oaths are like "certain" deputies. com your fleets - they’re not used to taking them. It's called Soldier Honor you know.
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                Not everyone took 4 oaths and for individual individuals conclusions should not be made at all
                1. Zementbomber April 28 2020 16: 14 New
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                  Of course. If the “oath of office” was some kind of coastal drop or even a capra, and the episode was dated by the 90s, this would not be worth giving any significance. But this is a deputy. komflotami in the vice admiral ranks, appointed after 2014. What characterizes your attitude to like, ahem ... "comrades". cops (and even security officers) - also far, far from all trash. But they still judge the cops and Chekists precisely by the "most prominent representatives" of these classes. Of course - this is unfair and even insulting to those to whom the Honor - not empty sound. But these are the immutable laws of the formation of public perception. "one black sheep - spoils the whole edge"- This is a saying, however, of those times when neither Russia nor Ukraine elementarily existed.
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                Well, if your girls are against the end of the Russian world, he will not survive this, will collapse. laughing
                1. Zementbomber April 28 2020 16: 26 New
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                  And then! tongue But seriously - sarcasm-humor - appreciated. good Plus - set. But of course, everyone perfectly understands that the fate of the "Russian Mir Project" does not depend on individuals. It does not even depend on Russia and Russian society as a whole — nor, indeed, on Ukraine. The fate of this project - like many other things on our Beautiful Planet - is decided by the consensus opinion of those who "own all the wealth of the Earth and the Earth itself."
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                    Do you seriously believe in the World Government, or rather, a global conspiracy conspiracy? winked The fate of any state formation depends solely on its citizens, how much they are able to put the interests of the motherland above their own, if on the contrary, it’s a cover, and the opinion of those who “own” plays only a certain role, nothing more.
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                      No, I do not believe in the existence of a World Government. Moreover, I am of the opinion that such a government cannot be created in principle, at least until Mankind begins to colonize Mars on a large-scale or enters into an exchange of resources with extraterrestrial civilization.
                      But the World Conspiracy - exists. And not one. But all such "conspiracies" are nothing more than attempts to "fish in the troubled waters of the general civilization crisis."
                      Nevertheless, the phenomenon of “world elites” really exists. And if in the midst of these elites there is a stable, wide and active consensus on some issue - no state and no society can successfully resist them for a long time.
                      PS In the course of the general nuclear war - “the fate of the state formation” will also “depend solely on its citizens”? Maybe - nevertheless, from the used megatonage and other operational factors? (I do not consider the WAR to be significantly probable - this is just an illustration of the obvious absurdity of your respective thesis)
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    And after that, someone else is trying to convict Marinesco for the sinking of William Gustav
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      Well - who Marinesco "condemns"? Even the NATO members write and say that it was the outstanding success of the Baltic Fleet. Included in the Top-5 WWII submarine attacks.
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    What a shame that the Mir bathyscaphes are no longer used, and their operators are old. I think it would be problematic to explore a ship at such a depth without them.
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    Who "reproaches Marinesco for" Wilhelm Gustlov "?? The legitimate target for the attack, the brilliant success of the CBF. Higt-class worked, in short. And this is the point of view of precisely those whom you scornfully call the "Europeans." By the way - the question: Why is not a drop of Marinesco GSS? (and that this is not gut) - the first to be raised in print by the Swedish sailors. In the midst of the Cold War ...

    Exactly so, a brilliant attack on a legitimate target, unlike Armenia, which no one talks about there. I’m trying to say that his actions are trying to present as barbarism, in contrast to the actions of the Nazis, who are in every possible way justified in the gerop at this time. About Marinesko - Yandex to the rescue, a difficult person was with a difficult fate. But I would give the Hero of Russia, definitely.