Equipping US submarines with tactical nuclear warheads W76-2 considered an attempt to complacency

Discussions continue on equipping US submarines with W76-2 tactical nuclear warheads. In particular, the article considers expenditures in the US military budget for the year 2020, which envisages spending on the acquisition of W76-2 in the amount of $ 19,6 million.

The author Sebastien Roblin (Sebastien Roblin) in the publication The National Interest writes that for such an amount "you can buy only a quarter of the F-35A fighter." Based on the amount of the cost of purchasing W76-2 warheads for an American underwater fleet NI Browser concludes:

There is no reason to celebrate the receipt by the American submarines of tactical nuclear weapons W76-2. By and large, these warheads improve security more psychologically than technologically.

The author considers such weapons to be an attempt of complacency in the US Navy.

Roblin writes that the idea of ​​arming US submarines with tactical nuclear warheads was promoted by former Pentagon officials. Former Secretary of Defense James Mattis is also an example. According to him, W76-2 "will allow the United States to receive additional funds to quickly and proportionately repel the tactical nuclear weapons that Russia, for example, possesses."

The NI notes that opponents of such arguments counteract this by the fact that tactical nuclear warheads in submarines only increase the risk factor for a nuclear war.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

It’s like a knight before a tournament, instead of a full-fledged pike, they gave a dart without a tip ... The pipes sang loudly, it would have to be a duel ... and the opponent’s steel sparkles ... But they patted him on the shoulder - you fight, fight ... If what, we will avenge you ... But you have to be afraid of him, with a dart?

[Vita vko]

Equipping US submarines and aircraft with tactical nuclear weapons has one single goal - lowering the threshold for its use. Therefore, despite all skepticism, an increase in the likelihood of a nuclear conflict should be expected in the near future. Moreover, according to American military experts, a nuclear conflict with the use of tactical nuclear weapons could well be limited to third countries where there are American interests, but the massive use of diverse forces and means like Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan is too expensive. In such circumstances, a couple of dozen cruise missiles with tiaos are quite capable of destroying 90% of the infrastructure of such a country as Syria, Iran or Venezuela, which will throw the economy of these countries to the level of the Middle Ages.

[Amateur]

Roblin writes that the very idea of ​​arming US submarines with tactical nuclear warheads

It is interesting to which exactly the place of the submarine, the authors are going to fasten the warhead.
Usually it is screwed to some sort of rocket. In an extreme case - as an aerial bomb.

[Sky strike fighter]

But on submarines, are there not missiles to which you can fasten a warhead?

[venik]

Quote: Amateur

It is interesting to which exactly the place of the submarine, the authors are going to fasten the warhead.

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In fact, the amerskie nuclear submarines shoot the "Harpoon" and "Tomogavk" missile launchers through the torpedo tubes (as well as ours)! And "Tomogavki" - as you know, they can carry YABCh!

[Svetlana]

It is interesting to which exactly the place of the submarine, the authors are going to fasten the warhead.
Usually it is screwed to some sort of rocket. In an extreme case - as an aerial bomb.

These are translation problems. Do not find fault with the words.

[Amateur]

These are translation problems. Do not find fault with the words.

Why should I think about something. when I read an article. This should be thought of by the author, at worst the site editor. Well, if the author cannot intelligently express his thought or adequately translate the text, then why does he crawl into the information field.

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[Svetlana]

Quote: Amateur

These are translation problems. Do not find fault with the words.

Why should I think about something. when I read an article. This should be thought of by the author, at worst the site editor.

The head is given not only to wear a hat.

[aszzz888]

Be that as it may, the boats will carry the tactics of W76-2.

[knn54]

-means of air defense / missile defense
-command points and communication centers
aerodromes, ports
strategic objects of civil infrastructure
...
For this, a cruise missile with TBNG is quite enough. Moreover, they can be placed on board much more than ballistic ones.

[KCA]

I don’t understand why so much noise? And is the SBN on our anti-ship missiles not a tactical nuclear weapon? RCCs work perfectly on land, which has been repeatedly demonstrated

[SVD68]

So the Americans put these warheads on strategic tridents. And the launch of a trident is the start of a retaliatory strike.

[KCA]

On the "Trident" MIRV for 14 charges, even tactical, at least 100kT, the launch of a 99,9% probability of the 3rd World War, the Americans want to put on the "Axes" W76-2 and use them in limited conflicts

[SVD68]

Quote: KCA

Americans want to put on "Axes" W76-2 and use them in limited conflicts

No, not with axes, but with tridents "to contain Russia."

[Bongo]

Quote: KCA

I don’t understand why so much noise? And is the SBN on our anti-ship missiles not a tactical nuclear weapon? RCCs work perfectly on land, which has been repeatedly demonstrated

Which of our anti-ship missiles are now equipped with "special combat units"?

[Sky strike fighter]

Yes, even the same Onyx.

[Bongo]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Yes, even the same Onyx.

Are you sure?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Bongo

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Yes, even the same Onyx.

Are you sure?

In any case, there is such a technical possibility. And to be sure you need to know for sure, but who will officially disclose this secret to you? Just don’t say that the source of the information is not the same. The tape reprinted the information from the TASS agency, and more complete and accurate information now I don’t want to search the Internet.

The range of upgraded supersonic universal anti-ship missiles P-800 Onyx (Onyx-M) is 800 kilometers, two sources in the military-industrial complex told TASS.

According to the first interlocutor, the updated “missile is equipped with an advanced control system and will be able to hit both sea and ground targets with greater accuracy”, and also has increased protection from the effects of electronic warfare (EW).

The second source added that Onyx-M flight design tests were planned for the first ten days of September at the Northern Fleet marine range (in the Barents Sea), “however, launches were not completed due to the need for additional verification of prototypes of the product,” as a result, similar missile tests will begin in the next one to two months. The interlocutor also said that Onyx-M, like Onyx, can be equipped with a conventional or nuclear warhead, and the mass-dimensional characteristics of the missiles coincide.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2019/09/25/oniks/

[Bongo]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

It’s just not necessary to say that the source of information is somehow different.

You said that. And why are you pouring this water?
As for the "Onyx", then apparently you do not absolutely know the realities of our armed forces. It is highly unlikely that this extremely small anti-ship missile was equipped with an SBS.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Informal? So there is no such agreement. There were persistent rumors that we have nuclear weapons in the Navy. And what the Americans have is the Americans.

One way or another, our marine TNW is stored on the shore, and the American liquidated.

[KCA]

P-700, no? In general, how do I know? But I think that for "Caliber-PL" there are also

[Sky strike fighter]

Yes, and on the P-700 Granite the same special units at least were.

[Bongo]

Quote: KCA

P-700, no? In general, how do I know? But I think that for "Caliber-PL" there are also

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Yes, and on the P-700 Granite the same special units at least were.

Keyword "were". Until the agreement with the United States, tactical nuclear warheads intended for naval missiles, anti-ship missiles / missile defense systems, depth charges and torpedoes were removed from the carriers and stored on the shore.

[KCA]

Arrangement? What is it like? In the bathhouse for beer agreed two admirals? An agreement between the USA and the USSR / RF has never happened

[Bongo]

Quote: KCA

Arrangement? What is it like? In the bathhouse for beer agreed two admirals? An agreement between the USA and the USSR / RF has never happened

Apparently there was an informal arrangement. In the US Navy, tactical nuclear weapons are not there either.

[Sky strike fighter]

Apparently there was an informal arrangement. In the US Navy, tactical nuclear weapons are not there either.

Informal? So there is no such agreement. There were persistent rumors that we have nuclear weapons in the Navy. And what the Americans have is the Americans.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote from rudolf

The agreement was.

Official?

[mvg]

RCCs work perfectly on land, which has been repeatedly demonstrated

Well, in a small city ≈500 thousand of population, at night, with lighting, they’ll definitely get there. And for a specific purpose, such as an air defense battery, I'm afraid not. And the range of 300-500 km is noticeably inferior to the Tomahawk CR with a nuclear warhead, with a range of 2500 km, and their programmed flight paths, various GOS and KVO of 0,5 meters.
PS: If you mean 94A and Granite in Syria, then this is an amateurish example of an oturiyapatriot.

[KCA]

The progenitor of all types of "Caliber" "Granat" was exclusively in the version with TNBCH, probably, the TNBC "Granata" can be installed without problems on the "Caliber", and in the version of the anti-ship missile system, and in the version of the KRBD

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: KCA

The progenitor of all types of "Caliber" "Granat" was exclusively in the version with TNBCH, probably, the TNBC "Granata" can be installed without problems on the "Caliber", and in the version of the anti-ship missile system, and in the version of the KRBD

It’s possible. Although it’s business to change the nuclear warhead to a non-nuclear warhead.

Information about the tender of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the disposal of 60 strategic cruise missiles 3M10 of the 3K10 Granat missile system in the Northern Fleet (in the tender documents, for some reason, apparently from some "conspiratorial" reasons, they are called "anti-ship missiles").
Recall that the sea-based missile system 3K10 (S-10) "Granat" with a strategic cruise missile 3M10 (KS-122), designed for use from 533-mm torpedo tubes of submarines to destroy the administrative and industrial centers of the enemy with previously known coordinates , was developed by the Sverdlovsk machine-building design bureau "Novator" and adopted by the USSR Navy on December 31, 1983 (the actual arrival of serial missiles to the fleet, according to known data, began only in 1987). The 3M10 missile had a nuclear warhead and was in fact an analogue of the American shipborne strategic cruise missile BGM-109A Tomahawk TLAM-N. According to the informal "politically binding" Soviet-American agreements in the fall of 1991, all strategic cruise missiles with nuclear warheads were removed from ships of both sides by the mid-1990s and stored. It is believed that all US TLAM-N missiles since the late 1990s have been converted to non-nuclear versions.

The 3M-10 anti-ship cruise missile is handed over for disposal without a warhead.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1772748.html

[Bongo]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Although the business is to change the nuclear warhead to a non-nuclear warhead

I saw anti-ship missiles only in the museum, but I watched different types of missiles live. Anti-aircraft missiles with special warheads differed from conventional ones not only with their internal filling, but sometimes even externally. Look on the net how the 5V29 missile differs from the 5J23.

[Keeping]

To discuss the opinion of one Sebastien Roblin is how to quote 90 percent of comments from VO in a serious society ...

[cniza]

By and large, these warheads improve safety more psychologically than technologically.

If only against a nuclear power, but the point?

[sanik2020]

Equipping US submarines with tactical nuclear warheads W76-2 considered an attempt to complacency

A suicide attempt is the number of nuclear charges already accumulated by mankind, but whether it happens or not depends on us all, though in different ways.

[Old26]

Quote: Vita VKO

Equipping US submarines and aircraft with tactical nuclear weapons has one single goal - lowering the threshold for its use. Therefore, despite all skepticism, an increase in the likelihood of a nuclear conflict should be expected in the near future. Moreover, according to American military experts, a nuclear conflict with the use of tactical nuclear weapons could well be limited to third countries where there are American interests, but the massive use of diverse forces and means like Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan is too expensive. In such circumstances, a couple of dozen cruise missiles with tiaos are quite capable of destroying 90% of the infrastructure of such a country as Syria, Iran or Venezuela, which will throw the economy of these countries to the level of the Middle Ages.

The threshold will indeed be lowered. And about the possible scenarios for the use of such low-power BG 5 years ago was written in the Western press. Moreover, the initiative came not from the military, but from the Federation of American Scientists.

Quote: venik

In fact, the amerskie nuclear submarines shoot the "Harpoon" and "Tomogavk" missile launchers through the torpedo tubes (as well as ours)! And "Tomogavki" - as you know, they can carry YABCh!

But not W-76, but W-80-0. And these are different mass and dimensional characteristics

Quote: knn54

-means of air defense / missile defense
-command points and communication centers
aerodromes, ports
strategic objects of civil infrastructure
...
For this, a cruise missile with TBNG is quite enough. Moreover, they can be placed on board much more than ballistic ones.

In principle, such low-power BGs as the W-76-2, according to the same scientists from the Federation of American Scientists, should have been used to deliver surgical strikes. They believed that 1,5-2 dozen strikes inflicted on key infrastructure facilities of countries could lead to the country capitulating .. True, later our media have already added here their weighty opinion that these BGs are intended specifically for us. As if besides us there are no opponents in the same England or the USA. On British boats on the OBD, one missile is equipped with ONE variable power warhead. Moreover, the regulator is set to minimum. It is this missile that is intended for a "show", "surgical" strike against the enemy. The Americans are doing the same now. On one or two missiles, 1-2 BG W-76-2 are installed. The purpose of such blows? For example, one missile with 1-2 BGs falls on Tehran and turns into steam a couple of government buildings, the second - one of the plants of the nuclear complex. And then, in a situation of chaos, other tasks are solved. And most importantly, after the use of such warheads, a deserted desert does not appear at the site of the strike by the same Tridents with normal warheads.
Plus such a "philanthropic" act on the part of those who used nuclear weapons. For example, a power plant will be destroyed by such a charge, and a town of power engineers located at a distance of 5-7 km from the station will receive a minimum of damage and a minimum number of victims.

Quote: KCA

On the "Trident" MIRV for 14 charges, even tactical, at least 100kT, the launch of a 99,9% probability of the 3rd World War, the Americans want to put on the "Axes" W76-2 and use them in limited conflicts

14 charges is a purely theoretical quantity. In reality, it was tested only with TWELVE GVM BG. The launch of SLBMs is not a priori a 99,9% probability of World War III. Most often, such launches provide notification to the interested party (Russia) about the launch. But even if such an alert fails for some reason, there are mechanisms for responding to a single launch ...

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Yes, even the same Onyx.

Actually Sergey (Bongo) asked a question not which ones can be equipped, but

Quote: Bongo

Which of our anti-ship missiles are now equipped with "special combat units"?

And he is absolutely right in this regard. None of the warships currently have cruise missiles equipped with nuclear warheads.
Cruise missiles equipped with SBS were removed from all ships (submarines) of the fleets of the USSR (RF) and the USA. Removed and disposed of. Purely theoretically, of course, both Onyx and Caliber can carry SBS. But for this, these missiles must be tested with such a SBS. The theoretical possibility "does not roll" here. It's the same with the American "axes". The nuclear KR 109A was removed from service and disposed of, and new ones with SBS (or at least with the SBC main computer) were not tested.

Quote: Bongo

The key word was "were". Until the agreement with the United States, tactical nuclear warheads intended for shipborne missiles, anti-ship missiles / anti-ship missiles, depth charges and torpedoes were removed from the carriers and stored on the shore.

Not just stored, but gradually disposed of.

Quote: KCA

Arrangement? What is it like? In the bathhouse for beer agreed two admirals? An agreement between the USA and the USSR / RF has never happened

Have you read all protocols and agreed statements of contracts? For example, OSV-2, START-1, or INF? Personally, I'm not all. Only open. And besides them there are also protocols and coordinated statements that have a signature stamp. As for the agreements, they were official. It is necessary to look only in the composition of agreements on the OSV-START-RSMD or separately. So tactical nuclear weapons were removed from the ships and submarines of both countries

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Apparently there was an informal arrangement. In the US Navy, tactical nuclear weapons are not there either.

Informal? So there is no such agreement. There were persistent rumors that we have nuclear weapons in the Navy. And what the Americans have is the Americans.

Precisely rumors. Only earlier, in the 70s, there were depth charges and anti-submarine missiles on the BOD for anti-submarine missiles, and after the beginning of the 90s, they were no longer there. And these are not rumors. Tasks were solved for remote monitoring of the presence of nuclear weapons on ships, tests were conducted. So no one will go to such violations. YES and on the same BOD-EM in the early 2000s they were no longer there.

Quote: KCA

The progenitor of all types of "Caliber" "Granat" was exclusively in the version with TNBCH, probably, the TNBC "Granata" can be installed without problems on the "Caliber", and in the version of the anti-ship missile system, and in the version of the KRBD

If they remained, but were not disposed of. In addition, you will need to conduct a test cycle. It’s impossible to just fasten a certain BG to a certain rocket ...

Quote: cniza

If only against a nuclear power, but the point?

We are not the only enemy of the United States. And the United States is not beneficial for the territory of its non-nuclear adversary to become a scorched desert with tens, if not hundreds of thousands of victims.