Russia introduces new rules for alternative military service

The procedure for passing the alternative civil service (AGS) has been amended. Since 2021, conscripts who choose this option will be able to get a civilian profession in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

About this newspaper "News" told sources in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Now, young people who have chosen the ACS will have the opportunity to learn the required specialty, being at the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Alabino, Moscow Region. They will undergo training at the Military Spiritual and Educational Center, where they will acquire the profession of an orderly. After graduation, the guys will receive distribution in medical institutions of the Ministry of Defense.

Alternative civil service now lasts 21 months. At the same time, the young people who go through it work in civilian structures. If the draftee, for whatever reason, does not want to pick up weaponIf he chooses an alternative service in the Armed Forces, and not in civilian enterprises or institutions, his life will be reduced to 18 months.

These recruits will be sent to the location of the Taman Motor Rifle Division in Alabino. They will live on the territory of the unit, studying the profession of orderlies in the spiritual and educational center at the main church of the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[DMB 75]

Against the alternative service categorically .. Replace article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation with article 63 of the Constitution of the USSR.
Article 63. Military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR -
honorary duty Soviet citizens.
All Citizens. If you do not want to defend your homeland with weapons in your hands, what kind of crap are you then?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: DMB 75

Against the alternative service categorically.

Instead of a normal service "ducks" in the hospital to carry?

I had a little son, he asked: "Dad, who did you serve in the army? And who did your grandfather serve in the army?" I was not ashamed to tell my son either about myself or about my father. Although I myself do not know everything about my father's service - he did not even talk at home. Business trip and that's it. I learned more from his friends than from himself.
At the age of 5 he showed his son "In the zone of special attention" and now, I hope, there will be another paratrooper in the family. Hopefully staffing.

А The alternative's son will ask: "And who were you, dad, in the army?" What will he answer? Carrying pots? Or will he lie, how he was a "SEAL" and "saved the world"?

I agree, someone should also carry pots. It’s also a necessary business, which cannot be done without. But this should not be done by healthy young foreheads who can serve the homeland normally, with weapons in their hands ...

[Voyager]

Young healthy foreheads, as a rule, do not choose an alternative. She is chosen just by the weak, with injuries or other private reasons, which also have a right to exist. And all this with today's reforms, when they try to lead the army into a contract.
The categorical nature of your statements, like that of the commentator above (who generally does not seem to know what and how he defines a person as a Citizen), only shows the weakness of your position, intolerance and disrespect by dividing people into different grades.

Alternative service is very poorly demanded - only a few hundred applicants per year according to statistics, however there are such people and you have to make their choice whether you want it or not.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Voyager

Young healthy foreheads, as a rule, do not choose an alternative. She is chosen just by the weak, with injuries or other private reasons, which also have a right to exist.

All weak and crippled ...

[Voyager]

Do you think that they showed a picture with incomprehensibly by whom and it is not clear where, and now we can draw conclusions? Look at the statistics. There are 700+ of such people on average per year - people. This is fie nationwide. So what's the problem? What do you care about their choice, and what will they tell the offspring?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Voyager

What do you care about their choice, and what will they tell the offspring?

Yes, I have nothing to do with these "kosars". Let what they want, and tell their offspring.
They are somewhere TAM, and somewhere I am HERE.

Only I was taught to always choose a fight between shame and fight. And there, as God willing - "or the chest in the crosses, or the head in the bushes."

Quote: Voyager

This is fie nationwide.

And pooh on me, the soul of the wretched.

I just know that I’m not ashamed of myself or my father, grandfather or great-grandfather. Everyone served, everyone fought for their homeland.
And for the son, I think, it will not be a shame to bring up - not for nothing brought up.

[Alexander Larichev]

try to get the right to an alternative. Usually there are people who know how to achieve their goal.

[Keyser soze]

Instead of a normal service "ducks" in the hospital to carry?

Yes, you respected from the oak tree collapsed and fell on your head? There are people with diseases and ailments who are not fatal, but would like to serve in the army. And why not? If you have, for example, kidney stones and surgery, and you can’t run for 50 km. fully laid out, but you can serve as a nurse, computer specialist, cook or something else, why not go to an alternative service?

Or are such personnel not needed in the army? Or are such people not particularly people? Patriots, damn it ....

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Yes, you respected from the oak tree collapsed and fell on your head?

And from an oak, and on a head fell more than once. And before the army, and during the service, and after - in the gym on the tatami and in the ring. But he did not turn into a boor and was used to talking to strangers without insults. And then this Internet will endure everything and on the Internet you can cheat anyone with impunity. But in real life, you can spit out teeth for rudeness to a stranger ...

Good luck and whole teeth.

[Finches]

A gay man with crusts from the RF Armed Forces is a status gay ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Finches

A gay man with crusts from the RF Armed Forces is a status gay ...

I somehow didn’t think about this alternative answer to my son about my service - but he has been with us for a long time ...

- Dad, and who did you serve in the army?
- And I, son, did not serve. I, son, on [...] a gay man slandered ...

Ugh, damn it ... They themselves are not disgusted? ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Finches

A gay man with crusts from the RF Armed Forces is a status gay ...

The real battle ...

[bondrostov]

And I think that it should be because to all non-formal gays (I’d like to write bans differently ..) and any other alternative in the army there is nothing to do.! You don’t want like in Europe we have soldiers with painted nails

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: bondrostov

And I think that it should be because to all non-formal gays (I’d like to write bans differently ..) and any other alternative in the army there is nothing to do.! You don’t want like in Europe we have soldiers with painted nails

I’m not homophobic, I just do not like [...] gays ...

They, with painted nails, have nothing to do in the army in any form. Neither with a gun or a pot in the hospital. Their place is on the reservation in Magadan. Under guard so as not to scatter. Let them build roads, break manicures and arrange gay parades there in the taiga. Bears will appreciate ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zoldat_A

They, with painted nails, have nothing to do in the army in any form. Neither with a gun or a pot in the hospital.

In vain you are so categorical. In vain.
If you think a little, because who is our likely opponent? That's right - NATO troops. And now imagine: trench lines. NATO soldiers and officers see optics painted nails on the arms of the enemy soldiers clutching arms, and think: no. These will definitely not shoot us. And instead of fighting to the death, at the first opportunity, they will not hesitate to surrender, using a bouquet of flowers instead of a white flag.
And in the hospital, it’s even more useful: there is such a wounded soldier, all in bandages and plaster, and through the gap in the bandage he sees painted nails on the caring and gentle hands of the “nurse”. The next day he will declare that his health has improved dramatically and will be discharged or run away from the hospital.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Polite Elk

If you think a little, because who is our likely opponent? That's right - NATO troops.

I once already said here that SUCH a probable adversary should not be surrendered. With bearded it’s easier - all businessmen will be cut off their heads. And, judging by the one who has now officially been allowed to join the US Army, they, the NATO, are perverting this!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zoldat_A

SUCH a probable adversary cannot be captured.

No, no, no ... Stand to the last fighter, to the last cartridge, to the last drop of blood.

[72jora72]

ALL Citizens. If you are in arms do not want to defend the homeland, what kind of crap are you then? Citizen then.

Now I am re-reading Heinlein's "Star Infantry", this topic is described in great detail.

[Hell fire]

That is, you are in favor of depriving all women of their citizenship?

[cost]

18 months. In the spiritual and educational center at the main church of the Ministry of Defense.

Well and on a fig?
Yes, for half a year he will be better trained in the profession of a hospital attendant in any regional hospital

[Uncle lee]

at the main church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

And what, are there also secondary ones?

[knn54]

This is what. In the armed forces of the People’s Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, both the mullah and the political officer served in parallel (in the company precisely).
After "such" orderlies, the early Zhvaanetsky is recalled: "Doctors fought for a soldier's life for a long time, but he survived" ...

[Doliva63]

Quote from rudolf

There are even airborne parachute parachutes. I'm serious! It remains only to assign ranks to the priests, right up to the bishop general! Damn, not a coronavirus, but a schiz mowing our ranks!

Shiza has been mowing our ranks since 91st, however. In different ways: the collapse of the Union, Chechnya, economic crises, reforms, bird flu, coronavirus. And he will mow until there are fifteen million left to work on the "pipe" - this seems to suit everyone, including voters

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from rudolf

"... while studying the profession of a medic in the military spiritual and educational center at the main temple of the Ministry of Defense."
Here are just no words, some interjections!

It remains only in the bakery at the main church of the Ministry of Defense to open the training of radar or ShMAS operators.

God is God, and Caesar is Caesar.

Forgot?

[Doccor18]

I respect the religious feelings of all people. Each person chooses his own destiny and place in life. That's just ...
And if the enemy comes into the house? Not somewhere, but into your house. How to explain to an armed aggressor that, for religious or other reasons, you cannot take arms, you cannot protect yourself, your family, your Motherland ...
I respect the feelings of people, their beliefs. But military service is not a school of aggression and sadism, but a school of courage and the lessons of protecting what is dear to you.
Therefore, I hardly understand the very concept of "alternative service".

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Doccor18

you can not take weapons

In the Great Patriotic War, how many ministers of religions served in the Army, defended their homeland and Vera did not bother them!
PS A priest fought in my father-in-law ....

[Mastodon]

Quote from Uncle Lee

In the Great Patriotic War, how many ministers of religions served in the Army, defended their homeland and Vera did not bother them!
PS A priest fought in my father-in-law ....

That's right Vladimir! And the alternative service is some kind of distortion .. The West!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: Doccor18

you can not take weapons

In the Great Patriotic War, how many ministers of religions served in the Army, defended their homeland and Vera did not bother them!
PS A priest fought in my father-in-law ....

Yes, and before ...
Relight of the cassock did not prevent the Motherland from serving and dying for the Motherland in such a way that it remained centuries old.

And now a year, 30 kilometers from the house, organized by a crowd of three lines in the dining room to go - govinda does not allow ... Yeah ... They have a liquid, alternative to them, govinda ....

[bondrostov]

Well, how to relate to it. But we will protect the disabled in the event of a war between women and the elderly.

[Hell fire]

Well, an enemy with a weapon will come to your house, what will you do to him? Stop patriotism bullet?

[Doccor18]

Why patriotism? ....
Anyone who served in the military knows how to stop and how to do it.

[Hell fire]

Well, they poke a gun in your face and say give money, how will you defend yourself? You can, of course, remember what you were taught 10 years ago on an urgent basis, but this is likely to end badly.

[Nehist]

At one time, being a cadet, he was at a repetition in the Khabarovsk district hospital. After which there was a record, the course arrow shooter passed)))

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Oh, we’re going to play. I don’t want to offend the feelings of believers, but it's too much.

[arlekin]

I served an urgent 1987-89. After the service he made the opinion that some people, by their mental state or by their nature, should not be served in the army. They break them there so that some, unable to stand it, shoot / hang themselves / run away, while others, I don’t know, could then recover in civilian life. It would be better if they had an alternative service, but then this was not.
Regarding jokes about gays, I saw how an enraged guy was forced into action.

[Hell fire]

Read the ACS Law!

"Accommodation of citizens doing alternative civilian service in the organizations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies, in the same building with military personnel doing military service by conscription, is not allowed."

[serge serge]

And what without obscurantist priests it is already impossible to prepare orderlies?

[Alexander Larichev]

Nowadays, in normal countries people pay for service. So why the hell should they serve some kind of homeland upon appeal for free?

[awdrgy]

We had one - a Baptist, it seems (I will not say for sure) that they didn’t do anything with him (an unbending person) After a while it became clear that for him his physical body didn’t really matter in comparison with his soul (in short, a disabled person is so disabled a corpse corpse) and they stopped touching it and served without picking up a machine gun Recently I thundered to the hospital and lay with the young - one was supposed to be called right now, and the second one was slanted Well, I raised this topic with the first in an unofficial smoking room and heard an unplayed surprising answer - "it's so fashionable now" Oh, how are we "old people" even discussing our opinions and they already have their own world which we do not just "accept" or "do not accept" I even find it difficult to understand this For example, "reluctance" "scary" " faith does not allow "or" dad is cool and I can "I can at least understand, but it's so far In general, just thoughts out loud