In Chinese Sohu: Not even 30 years have passed before India switched to the serial order of its fighters

In the military-thematic section of the Chinese information portal Sohu, material was published with frankly ernic notes regarding the Indian Air Force and New Delhi's plans for their modernization.

The author of an article on a Chinese resource does not miss the opportunity to hurt India in the sense that it has been trying for too long to choose suitable fighters for itself, but still cannot focus on any particular model. Additional “special ratings” on the Chinese portal were awarded to the development of military aircraft in India itself.

In an article on a Chinese information resource:

As you know, since the 1980s, India led the development of its fighter LCA (Tejas). Such a fighter made its first flight only in 2001. And only now, for the needs of the air forces of this country, a batch of 83 local-made fighter jets is being ordered for $ 5,2 billion. Thirty years had passed before India switched to serial order. While India tried to overtake the whole world in the creation of its fighter, it has long been overtaken in Pakistan.

The Chinese author reminded his readers that Pakistan is actively cooperating with Chinese manufacturers. aviation technicians. Reported work on the creation of fighters with modern equipment, including radars with AFAR (active phased array).

In China, they additionally recalled that India still cannot decide on the fifth-generation fighter program, having previously refused to cooperate with the FGFA project with Russia.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Plyusanul, but the first comment you made was "some in the forest, some for wood", no offense.

[mitroha]

If you mean India, then they did not do "Ladas".
And our country, if you have meant it, will remain Great, at least I will do everything for this, and I will tell the children.

[Cowbra]

China is punished for corruption, punished ... Yes, only something less than those that have to be punished for corruption - it does not get there!

[Zaurbek]

So the economy is of a different size ... and the industry is all ... it's not pumping oil and tying money.

[Cowbra]

Yes, there - to dig rare earth metals and sew panties. And they can't build an engine for their fighter. And who is tyriting - still see. In China, there are most of all oligarchs on the planet, and "all major modern fortunes were acquired by criminal means" (c) And in general, we must remember where the most developed mafia in the world is called the Triad

[Zaurbek]

There are completely all types of industry ... with different margins ..... multiplied by the scale of the country. I think the attitude of corruption to the economy in money is much more positive than ours. Plus the amount of our administrative apparatus to our economy ....

[businessv]

Quote: Cowbra

Yes, only something less than those that have to be punished for corruption - it does not get there!

And you read the statistics that are being conducted and pay attention to the time when Mr. Xi came to power in 2012. After all, it was he who launched the war on corruption. It turns out that it is even decreasing, and if we compare them and us, then we are ahead of the rest on corruption, and we do not punish anyone, we just shuffle the stealing bureaucrats from place to place, like cards in a deck!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Dead Day

In Chinese Sohu: In less than 30 years, India has moved to the serial order of its destroyers

How many decades have passed, and the Chinese themselves have not collected a single aircraft without borrowing any critical parts, profiles from foreign cars! And they are going to buy, almost speaking openly, only exemplary units for copying!

[voyaka uh]

In China, one 5th generation J-20 fighter squadron is already in the ranks
Air Force, and the second is deployed.
And ready for adoption the second type of fighter of the 5th generation J-31

J-31

[newcomer]

What can I say then? While the Indians amuse themselves with a dozen expensive Rafals, the packs are increasing the number of cheap but powerful Chinese clones of our cars. Hindus now desperately need to take our MIG35s. I think so.

[Sky strike fighter]

The Mig-35 and Rafal are analogous planes. But the Mig-35 is cheaper, but the French did not waste time and in one of the joint exercises of the French Air Force and the Indian Air Force were interested in the Afar Indians standing on Rafal, so the Indians chose even more expensive French cars. Our MiG-35 is not accepted for service, and if they do, it’s not known which side radar AFAR or slotted. I have said many times that the trouble is our zoo, which results in many highly specialized aircraft on each of which are forced to save and not a couple of the three universal machines brought to mind. From here are all our troubles and lost tenders. Bring your mind to the Su-57, MiG-35 and Su-35S or Su-34 and buy them in series. But not every plant does one exclusive car. Factories should be universal.

[Amateur]

Mig-35 and Rafal aircraft counterparts.

Nevertheless, there is mad cow disease. Brains wedges tight.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Amateur

Mig-35 and Rafal aircraft counterparts.

Nevertheless, there is mad cow disease. Brains wedges tight.

What don’t you like, dear? Take a look at the performance characteristics of airplanes. Without outboard fuel tanks, the combat radius of both with a weapon of 1000 km is almost the same plus or minus the weight of the vehicles. Both are universal fighters. Find on the Internet the comparison tables of the performance characteristics of the Mig-35 and Rafal.

[Tusv]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

I have said many times that the trouble with our aviation is the zoo, as a result of which we get many highly specialized aircraft on each of which are forced to save, and not a couple of three universal machines brought to mind.

How much does Rafaley need to break the target at a distance of 2 km? And how many Su-000? How much does Rafaley need to patrol the border around the clock, and how many Su-30s? IMHO Su-30 is the most versatile machine in the world, but it is not enough to protect the continent of Russia, and therefore the zoo

[Sky strike fighter]

How much does Rafaley need to break the target at a distance of 2 km?

At worst, you can hang outboard fuel tanks, as they do in the West, including with the same Rafals. Suspend tanks and you will be 2000 km. Business then. The range is far from the only important characteristics of the aircraft. The Hindus chose Rafal, and not the Su-30SM. The main quality of the aircraft in battle, AFAR. And not just fly on, but technologically lag behind the same Mig-35 with AFAR.

but it is not enough to protect the continent of Russia, and therefore the zoo

That is, in your opinion, the more the zoo and the more means to spray on different types of aircraft, and not one or two types, but with a larger series, the easier it is to defend a large territory? Unification has not yet been canceled.

[Tusv]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

At worst, you can hang outboard fuel tanks, as they do in the West

And Rafali can safely be multiplied by three. And so there are few suspension points, and even 3 PTBs. What turns out. For India, Rafal costs over 150 megabytes. For a target such as a Pakistani camp, 3 armed VZ and a couple armed with VV missiles are already needed

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

We have not adopted the Mig-35, but if they do, it’s not known which side radar AFAR or slotted

Accepted. With crevice. Six serial at the end of 2019 delivered like

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

We have not adopted the Mig-35, but if they do, it’s not known which side radar AFAR or slotted

Accepted. With crevice. Six serial at the end of 2019 delivered like

Well, they saved it. The Indians would have compared French planes when comparing Rafal combatant and MiG-35 combat aircraft. Because the avaricious always pays twice, and we would buy MiG-35 combat aircraft with AFAR, you see the Indians would be interested in MiG-35 and some of the money would be repulsed at deliveries, and so everything is only at your own expense.

[newcomer]

Attractiveness MIG35_ fighting qualities plus price. Colleague, do not measure the quality and capabilities of machines on the orders of the Indians_ lost time.

[newcomer]

Let's not lump everything together. Versatility, already: the Su35 was armed with the supersonic R77M_ 57go ammunition. And in terms of avionics, they are almost completely identical. 30 unifies engines from 35m. Su57_ is the peak of our car industry, which has already been ordered and deliveries are expected. Our pilots are already successfully mastering it. Well, 34 _ is a fighter-bomber, gradually replacing 24 of all modifications. The MIG35 is ready for delivery, as the gendir used to say. "by option". That is, at the request of the customer there will be both AFAR and UHT. And the "advantage" of AFAR over PFAR is greatly exaggerated.

[Tusv]

Quote: newbie

And the "advantage" of AFAR over PFAR is greatly exaggerated.

Yes, hell knows. What could be better than my P-12 standing on a hill? Everything is really visible and very far away that IK is not enough. The main thing is to be able to use it. The Yankees say for sure that in many ways they are more technologically advanced, but just in case, the flights of the AWACS are increasing. But Our radars on Sushki and Migahs really see further.

[Sky strike fighter]

I recently posted a link saying that the Su-35S is working on the use of the R-37M. The decision has already been made. Look for the news on the Internet.
In my opinion, it is optimal to have single Su-57, Su-35S for gaining air supremacy and universal double Su-34 and MiG-35D for working on land / water. Why do we still need Su-30 SM? It turns out for each case of life a separate plane. Resources must be concentrated, not sprayed. The same French have one Rafal, but the car is brought to mind and universal.

[newcomer]

30 workhorse. And the Navy also likes it. Colleague, 34th bomber with the ability to fend for yourself. MIG35_ frontline fighter for air superiority. Yes, he knows how to hit land and water, but thank God he is not a "drummer". For this role, we have a different line of machines. Regarding single, double_ read the concept of their use, and the decision to take variations of the machines for the videoconferencing.

[Sky strike fighter]

And the new Mig-35D cannot be a workhorse if the hour of its flight is one and a half times cheaper than the hour of flight of the same Su-30SM? Again, there is experience in creating the Mig-29K / Mig-29KUB, a ship version.

[newcomer]

Colleague, MIG35 and 35D factory designations of machines (like on my avatar . 35C went into the series, probably double will be SD, I think so. Well and yes, MIG35 will be a workhorse front-line soldier. There were rumors about the ship 35m, let's see.

[Tusv]

Quote: newbie

30 workhorse. Yes, and he likes MorFlot.

Morflot still has a workhorse for the Su-27. And Su 30 is the balance between air surface and air air. This machine and delivered to the Air Force at an accelerated pace. Now that all the airplanes of the Russian Federation, air defense and air forces, are united in the aerospace forces, they began to think about PAK-FA and PAK-DA and other promising airline complexes. The meaning of which is world peace

[newcomer]

Colleague, the fact is that PAK YES is strategic aviation, a completely different issue. And about 30ku, and so am I about: the workhorse of an extensive range of tasks; Especially often arriving in sea aviation. Unfortunately, 76 aircraft ordered 57h weather will not do much in our aviation, the long and expensive process of saturating them with airborne forces. Algeria will help a little (if I don’t confuse) if it doesn’t refuse to buy. Therefore, it unifies as much as 30th with 35m, but the 35th is as close as possible to 57th in terms of armament, avionics and TD.

[Tusv]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In my opinion, it is optimal to have single Su-57, Su-35S for gaining air supremacy and universal double Su-34 and MiG-35D for working on land / water. Why do we still need Su-30 SM?

Well I do not know. Su-35 and Mig 31 are mainly air-defense vehicles.

[Zaurbek]

And Mig29 is an analogue of Rafal ...

[Mavrikiy]

The Chinese author reminded his readers that Pakistan is actively cooperating with Chinese aircraft manufacturers.

And what about the engines in Pakistan? Does China chew on its 200 hours of resource?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Does China chew on its 200 hours of resource?

Not for the sake of argument, but 200 hours is a minimum of 75 two-hour flights.

[newcomer]

So they've gutted Motor Sich, not even one hour, they will learn how to make rafts.

[Vladimir_2U]

Judging by the epaulette and chevron, you’re obviously a beginner and you don’t know that the Chinese will never learn anything, if you believe the experts on the site, that the Chinese have been showing for 20 years. )))

[newcomer]

For 40 years, the Chinese have achieved superiority in economic development. Over the past 20 years, ships have been stamped like pies. Soviet / Russian developments plus its own scientific school plus intelligence, in the end they have what they have.

[Vladimir_2U]

I'm talking about the same thing, only slightly ironic.

[Tusv]

Quote: newbie

So they've gutted Motor Sich, it's not even an hour, they will learn to make alloys

Motor Sich is not a frail production facility with trained personnel. But they have nothing to do with technologies of construction materials.

[newcomer]

Do not tell_ they had their own options for upgrading serial engines.

[Tusv]

Quote: newbie

Do not tell_ they had their own options for upgrading serial engines.

I kind of said about trained personnel and production facilities. But where to get the right accessories?

[newcomer]

I agree. I'm talking about technology.

[Tusv]

Quote: newbie

I agree. I'm talking about technology.

They say for their Blackbird, the Yankees through third countries purchased our titanium alloys. By itself, titanium is fragile, or as the Yankees say frajill. So the technology is complete. Bought Motor Owl + Production facilities with staff. Sanctioned CMs have been purchased from us. There, through the straits and the PLA, it is provided with high-class engines.
But here the Yankees themselves are against. And so the competition with Mil and Kamov is high, and here also China

[Grandfather]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Mavrikiy

Does China chew on its 200 hours of resource?

Not for the sake of argument, but 200 hours is a minimum of 75 two-hour flights.

the rumor was that the "shoulder blades" learned to handle, although, "mow" can be like idiots for another ten years, and then ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dead Day

although, they can "mow" like idiots for another ten years

No, under the fools, the Chinese have not mowed for a long time, they begin to behave quite imperially.

[Operator]

The Indians have already reached parity with China in terms of population, after the pandemic they will receive technological doping from linguisticly close Anglo-Saxons, it remains only to adopt at the state level the syncretic beskast religion of the Sikhs and it will be in the hat

[16112014nk]

Quote: Dead Day

for a couple of decades .... a great country?

- How much will you do?
- I'll do it in a day.
......
......
- And for ten?
... For ten days one can’t cope, then an assistant is needed - homo sapiens! ©
Here are 300 "homo sapiens" from the CIA, jointly with the "Chicago boys" in Russia at an accelerated pace and destroyed the country. For 10 years. And for 20 years there has been a sluggish "stabilizer" called getting up from his knees.

[Puskarinkis]

But they have good songs and dance beautifully! ))))

[Chaldon48]

China, laughing at India, probably because it will not copy its fighters, because Russian engines will not fit them.