Armenia accuses Azerbaijani army of attempted diversion

From Transcaucasia, there are reports of a sharp aggravation of the situation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. The Armenian side claims the shelling, which was carried out by the army of Azerbaijan. According to the latest data, settlements Baganis and Voskevan came under fire.

The materials say that as a result of the shelling a child was injured - a resident of Voskevan.

From the message of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia:

The Azerbaijani side made an attempt to sabotage penetration towards the Armenian positions of the Noyemberyan region of the Tavush region. Thanks to the actions of the Armenian Armed Forces, the enemy was thrown back, information about the losses is being specified.

Allegedly, the Azerbaijani side fired for at least half an hour. Local residents report damage to the houses and infrastructure of the villages. From which weapons fired, not reported.

The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry has not yet commented on these reports.

Against this background, it became known that the Turkish authorities called for a boycott of the elections in Nagorno-Karabakh. Elections in the region were scheduled for today - March 31. The Turkish Foreign Ministry called Nagorno-Karabakh the territory occupied by Armenia, adding that there can be no election in the region under occupation.

From a statement by the Turkish Foreign Ministry:

This is an open violation of the principles of international law, including UN Security Council resolutions and OSCE principles.

Comments

[Lekxnumx]

The respected VO, the Azerbaijani army could not fire at Baganis and Voskevan just because it is not there! ))) There the service is already conducted by the State Fire Service of Azerbaijan and therefore the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has not announced anything)) Because the State Fire Service of Azerbaijan said "On March 30 at 17:30, residential buildings and vehicles of civilians in the village of Gushchu Ayrim of the Gazakh region were fired at from large-caliber machine guns by units of the Armed Forces Armenia, located near the villages of Boganis and Voskevan in the Noyemberyan region. "" The State Border Service of Azerbaijan reported to Azeri State Border Service. The provocation of the Armenian military was prevented, the enemy shelling was suppressed by the return fire. Currently, the operational situation is under the control of the Azerbaijani border guards. . "

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lek3338

Dear VO The Azerbaijani army could not fire at Baganis and Voskevan just because it was not there!

Let me doubt your information "about the absence of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces" in this region ...

[Lekxnumx]

I allow it!)) Your right! The GPS of Azerbaijan is less poorly equipped than the National Army of Azerbaijan but personally, in my opinion, better prepared! For a couple of years ago I wrote that the GPS creates a shock fist as an army reserve. But I was mistaken the preparations were made for the direct combat use of the GPS on the border with Armenia, to the part where the border of the two countries is directly! outside of Karabakh. A video from the duty station

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Lek3338

GPS of Azerbaijan is less poorly equipped than the National Army of Azerbaijan

It is very important for the Armenian authorities to draw the CSTO into this conflict. This is why they are shooting not from the Karabakh side, but from the Armenian side so that the answer is for Armenia, then it will be possible to invite Russia to this conflict

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Marxal2020

It is very important for the Armenian authorities to draw the CSTO into this conflict. This is why they are shooting not from the Karabakh side, but from the Armenian side so that the answer is for Armenia, then it will be possible to invite Russia to this conflict

Yes, everyone already understands that the Karabakh conflict will clearly go beyond the boundaries of N. Karabakh during escalation. This is well known in the CSTO, but a good maneuver by the command of Azerbaijan. It will put the border guards there in advance by improving their positions with a small silent attack in the media. This will get a political advantage for the maneuver in case of provocation in that direction, the military also took control of strategic heights. The distance between our border guards and the Armenian army is 50 meters. As a person who served in Pogran, I can confidently declare one piece of the border, I'm sure .In preparation pograntsov I'm more than I know Elchin Guliyev and his attitude to his soldiers. Since Soviet times, passers-by did not get into the frontier guards and training at the highest level. I felt this preparation in my own skin. If we knew what our border guards do, what intelligence operations are carried out in neighboring countries. But alas, this is a state secret.

[Shurik70]

I believe that at this point on the map, the residents of Armenia and Azerbaijan themselves cannot say exactly who is starting first.
But accuse, as usual, the opposite side.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Shurik70

I believe that at this point on the map, the residents of Armenia and Azerbaijan themselves cannot say exactly who is starting first.

I do not want to offend you, but you did not try to think, who needs this? Why should Azerbaijan shoot at the territory of Armenia? At the same time, against the CSTO? If you shoot like that shoot at Karabakh (unrecognized by anyone and approved by Azerbaijan) Or is it still beneficial for Armenia to draw everyone into the CSTO on its side against Azerbaijan?

Why shoot the Azerbaijani border guards on the territory of Armenia and not have heavy weapons to repel the attack? (large-scale?)

Many military ataches in Azerbaijan have already made a report on this situation.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Marxal2020

Why should Azerbaijan shoot at the territory of Armenia? ... Or all the same, it is beneficial to Armenia

I know that you know that I know ...
Maybe someone "genius" was found in Azerbaijan to blame the provocation on Armenia. You can never ignore the idiot. Or too smart.
Too protracted conflict.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Shurik70

I know that you know that I know ...
Maybe someone "genius" was found in Azerbaijan to blame the provocation on Armenia.

Do you think that the Azerbaijani army is a mess? Who wants to can shoot and anywhere?)

[Shurik70]

Do you think the Israeli army is a mess?
When Israel needs to bomb someone, from there "someone" fires at Israel. Moreover, the missiles fly not over residential areas, but over wastelands.
Politics is filth. Army command has to deal with politics.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Shurik70

I believe that at this point on the map, the residents of Armenia and Azerbaijan themselves cannot say exactly who is starting first.
But accuse, as usual, the opposite side

And there is

[Lekxnumx]

And yes, the GPS, having received combat duty over this piece of border, began its service with a military offensive, occupying 4 new posts. And therefore, it has strategic superiority "the units of the Gazakh division of the GPS moved towards Mount Babakar, and also got the opportunity to control the main transport arteries in the territory Armenia passing through this direction. " While the borders of Armenia are protected by Russian border guards, our border guards, outside of their direct duties, are protecting the "peaceful" borders of Georgia, Russia, Iran and the Caspian Sea. They can provide personnel for military operations. This fact itself speaks of the mobilization reserve of the two warring countries ...

[mavrus]

Everyone has a mortal longing ... quarantine, coronavirus ...
And here life is in full swing, the guys are having fun to the fullest. Having started on a pandemic.

[Vovanya]

Why do I need to know this? Other topics or not?

[Marxal2020]

Everything was exactly the opposite. Before posting the news, please check for the latest news.


30 March at 17: 30 residential buildings and vehicles of civilians in the village of Gushchu Ayrim in the Gazakh region were fired from heavy machine guns by units of the Armed Forces of Armenialocated near the villages of Boganis and Voskevan in the Noyemberyan region.

This was reported in the State Border Service of Azerbaijan. The provocation of the Armenian military was prevented, enemy fire was suppressed by return fire. Currently, the operational situation is under the control of Azerbaijani border guards.

They added to the GPS that the information of the Armenian media that the ceasefire was violated by the Azerbaijani side is not true: "Our units did not open fire on the settlements of Armenia."

[Romka47]

If only they would not start again

[Insurgent]

Quote: Romka47

If only they would not start again

И strange next "coincidence"...
As soon as Russia is forced to be distracted by some other problems outside or inside, something begins in the NKAR ...

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Insurgent

As soon as Russia is forced to be distracted

You are not right with everything. The economy of Armenia is in a deplorable state and for the economy to start working, Armenia needs peace with Azerbaijan and Turkey. If Pashinyan goes to peace, the parliament part 2 is guaranteed. You have to do something about this. And what remains to distract the internal public from the virus and the collapse of the economy?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Marxal2020

have to do something

Quote: Marxal2020

You are not right with everything.

In the main, I am right, that the real conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia has not begun so far due to the efforts of the Russian Federation, which periodically cools the "hot heads" of its neighbors ...
But as soon as the "grip of Russia" weakens (as it seems to some), a "get-together" begins in the region ...

Apparently Russia will again have to threaten the naughty fingers.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Insurgent

Apparently Russia will again have to threaten the naughty fingers.

I hope it’s not going further than a finger, and most importantly in the right direction.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Marxal2020

I hope it’s not going further than a finger, and most importantly in the right direction.

These factors are determined by the sanity of both parties to the conflict.
In case of exacerbation,each get what he deserves.

And supplement - DESTINATION FOR RUSSIA.

Quote: Bible, New Testament

Romans Epistle Up Paul
...
2: 5. But, according to your stubbornness and unrepentant heart,
you yourself collect anger on the day of anger and
revelations of righteous judgment from God,
2: 6. Which the will reward to everyone according to his deeds:
...

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Insurgent

In case of exacerbation, everyone will receive what they deserve.

I agree to all 100% In Syria, the Turks have shown what only 4 drones are capable of, and we have more than enough of them, I am silent about kamikaze drones.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Marxal2020

the Turks showed what only 4 drones are capable of, and we have more than enough of them, I am silent about kamikaze drones

Silence is better at all.

Because, your level of knowledge about the "4 Turkish drones" says that you are far from understanding what was happening and what is happening.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Insurgent

Silence is better at all.

You will give orders to the Syrians and Armenians and not to us!

Quote: Insurgent

For, your level of knowledge about "4 Turkish drones" says

I'm talking about the facts))) and believe me not you to judge my knowledge of what is happening dear!

[Butchcassidy]

On the battlefield, only the one on the battlefield decides. In 1994, the indecisiveness and general lack of talent of the then President of Armenia impeded the adoption of military decisions, and often completely blocked them. Of course, then numerous bloody losses also affected, on both sides, but not the will of Russia.

Now, of course, Moscow has other times and other possibilities. But Moscow will not take direct participation either then or now in the hostilities on the territory of the unrecognized part of the Armenian states.

Of course, Moscow does not need a war and it will put pressure on Yerevan and Baku so that there is no war. But this does not mean that the situation is under control. A la guerre comme a la guerre. Not always what you want.

[Butchcassidy]

Of course not. You misunderstand the situation. The only thing that blocks the war is Baku’s insecurity in the success of hostilities. And the superiority in military equipment and weapons here does not always play directly. In the 90s, the superiority of Baku over Stepanakert and Yerevan was total, but this did not change the situation.

Of course, you should not discount the factor of the 102nd base in Gyumri, which for Armenia is needed only to block the entry of Turkey into the war on the side of Az. R. Russia needs it in order to protect (alienate) the North Caucasus from Turkey in the military sense. No one forgot where the militants from Chechnya received sanatorium-resort treatment (regardless of their origin: Chechens, Arabs, Afghans, etc.).

[Insurgent]

Quote: ButchCassidy

You misunderstand the situation. The only thing that blocks the war is Baku’s insecurity in the success of hostilities.

Add: “Because of Baku’s doubts about the reaction of Russia. possible actions in support (and on the side, if necessary) of Armenia ... "

This is how, I think, the "picture of the world" is revealed relatively fully .

[Butchcassidy]

Add: "Because of Baku's doubts about the reaction of Russia. Its possible actions in support (and on the side, if necessary) of Armenia ..."

This is how, I think, the "picture of the world" is revealed relatively fully yes.

No need to correct me. I said as it is. Russia's position is as follows (and there are no prerequisites for its change): Russia will participate in hostilities on the side of Armenia in the event of a military invasion of the territory of the Republic of Armenia itself. Those. in the event of hostilities, including large-scale in the territory controlled by Stepanakert, then Russia will not intervene militarily in the situation.

Those. Russia has no de jure and de facto obligations to Armenia and / or NKR in the event of a military invasion of Stepanakert.

So I said what I said. If Baku has confidence in success, then no one will restrain their aggression except the Stepanakert Defense Army, which is closely integrated with the military structures of Yerevan.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

The only thing that blocks the war is Baku’s insecurity in the success of hostilities.

You are completely wrong! The only thing that blocks the war is the green light from the Kremlin!

Quote: ButchCassidy

In the 90s, the superiority of Baku over Stepanakert and Yerevan was total

You are wrong again. In the 90s, more than half of the equipment was not in working condition as well as a lack of officers. And if we talk about history, then the Nazis almost reached Moscow?

Quote: ButchCassidy

Of course, you should not discount the factor of the 102nd base in Gyumri, which for Armenia is needed only to block the entry of Turkey into the war on the side of Az.

Turkey has repeatedly proved that she does not care who and what. If necessary, they will also bring down and if necessary then 4 drones will be sent to iron the enemy’s air defense and tanks. Believe me!

Quote: ButchCassidy

No one forgot where the militants from Chechnya received sanatorium-resort treatment (regardless of their origin: Chechens, Arabs, Afghans, etc.).

Well, everyone has enough sin. We also did not forget where the organizer of the Sumgayit events Edruard Grigoryan lives and hides.

[Butchcassidy]

You are completely wrong! The only thing that blocks the war is the green light from the Kremlin!

These are old bikes for internal use by Az. R. And "Kremlin" is spelled with a capital letter when you talk about Moscow as the capital. This is like the "White House" (Washington), "Elysee Palace" (Paris) or the High Porta (Constantinople, OI).

You are wrong again. In the 90s, more than half of the equipment was not in working condition as well as a lack of officers. And if we talk about history, then the Nazis almost reached Moscow?

The lack of officers was everywhere, because The army structures of the post-Soviet republics were in a state of military construction. But this was compensated by Baku by mercenaries - former officers of the SA.

And about technology - this is complete nonsense. The Azerbaijan SSR was stuffed with military equipment, and nobody exported the most modern and its lion's share - airplanes, tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, MLRS. Yes, and the one that was exported, we know how. Ammunition alone was 11 thousand wagons (!)

Turkey has repeatedly proved that she does not care who and what. If necessary, they will also bring down and if necessary then 4 drones will be sent to iron the enemy’s air defense and tanks. Believe me!

I see no reason to believe you in this matter. Now at the 102nd base there are enough air defense / missile defense systems to make the whole territory of Turkey right up to Ankara. Ankara knows this, Baku knows it. They know this in Yerevan and Moscow. And taking into account the fact that a joint air defense group operates in Armenia, which is led by a representative of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia in peacetime and by a representative of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in war, the issue of direct participation of the Turkish Armed Forces is excluded. You can relate to the Turks as you like, but they are not suicides.

Well, everyone has enough sin. We also did not forget where the organizer of Sumgayit events lives and hides Edruard Grigoryan

This is an old bike that is actively promoted by Baku propagandists and paid magazines ... in Russia. To that abominable article in Nezavisimaya Gazeta, all decent people in Russian journalism did not only say what they think about it. The pogroms are organized by the authorities and power structures of the Azerbaijan SSR, which their own Nuremberg is still waiting for.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

This is an old bike

Okay, think whatever you want. Let it be your way))

[Butchcassidy]

Russia directly affects the military balance by supplying heavy equipment to the parties. Naturally, taking into account the greater opportunities of Baku to purchase equipment. Previously, it was violated in favor of Baku by 2016. Conclusions were made in Moscow, and aligned it towards Armenia.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Conclusions were made in Moscow, and aligned it towards Armenia.

and with what if not a secret?

[WOLF330]

Two B \ U-shnymi Su-30s, at the helm of which there is no one to put in Armenia)))

[Butchcassidy]

and with what if not a secret?

Aviation, CBT, Iskander-E, etc.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Aviation, CBT, Iskander

S-300 favorite, Barack8, beech, spider, and much more.

So is your Iskander or Armenian? When using it, Laura and Polonaises will also fly.

[Butchcassidy]

I did not understand the question. You asked how Russia equalized the balance, I replied.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

You asked how Russia equalized the balance, I replied.

I gave you an example that nothing is aligned. I repeat once again, 4 of the total drone brought the Assad army to their knees in Syria. And there was everything .... and aviation and tos and beech and shell and everything. Did it help And in the arsenal of Azerbaijan there are many powerful drones and kamikaze in huge numbers. To all this, there are Laura and Polonaises and 54 billion of foreign exchange reserves, which will allow playing war games for a very long time. These TOSA will not even have time to shoot. Iskanders in the ban by the international community. Aviation in Karabakh does not play a special role. Yes, and if it plays air defense at the level. In general, you can write a lot and for a long time ............. the result will show the future.

[Butchcassidy]

Of course, this is not the case. Baku still has a certain advantage in offensive weapons. And 2/3 of the above you are defensive weapons - Buk, S-300, Spider, Barack.

On the side of Baku in 2016 there was an advantage in TOC and drones. Now this situation is equalized - export versions of Iskanders and TOS are delivered to Armenia. In addition, Armenia is well developing its own electronic warfare and UAV production.
Baku in response to this bought Laura and Polonaise. But this again does not give a fundamental advantage. NKR has modernized Points and other missile weapons. But then they did not use it. The main losses of Stepanakert are associated with a factor of surprise (this is an obvious flaw in the Armenian intelligence), when the Tornadoes and TOS were pulled to the line of contact. From them, as well as from kamikaze drones, there were major losses.

But it was a prepared operation with the work of the DRG. Jacob Kedmi writes that it was an unorganized and unplanned attack. But it is so simple Tornadoes and TOC do not appear at a salvo range.

The conscripts stopped her, albeit with losses. This indicates a certain level, which Baku still has nothing to overcome. There is a high level of engineering structures and the competent use of terrain, which Baku cannot crack.

What will happen next - time will tell.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Now this situation is equalized - export versions of Iskander delivered to Armenia

How do you imagine Armenia burning Iskander? Do you understand that this will untie Azerbaijan’s hands and then they won’t get rid of the world scandal (of course, if there is a stone left on it there) How many kilometers are the Tos? I repeat, at the start of hostilities they will be destroyed as 2 by 2. And Azerbaijan has more than enough response to these Tosam including the same Tosy.

Quote: ButchCassidy

In addition, Armenia is well developing its own electronic warfare production.

:) let them develop.

Quote: ButchCassidy

Baku in response to this bought Laura and Polonaise. But this again does not give a fundamental advantage.

Azerbaijan, if you buy an atomic bomb, the Russian media will again say there is no advantage) We are already used to it. Let it be your way)

Quote: ButchCassidy

NKR has modernized Points

Not these Points are not Scuds will not reach, I repeat, Azerbaijan has air defense air defense.

Azerbaijan has more than 50 installations TAT, LINUX, KOSYRGA and much more. Whatever Armenia shoots, the answer will be 100 times more. The Armenian army in Cuba is no match for Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan teaches all the moments of an unmanned war and in April showed it and now the number of UAVs is not tens but hundreds. We have a production. Do you understand this?

As you said, time will tell. In April we showed ..... we will show again.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Marxal2020

How do you imagine Armenia burning Iskander? Do you understand that this will untie Azerbaijan’s hands and then they won’t get rid of the world scandal (of course, if there is a stone left on it there) How many kilometers are the Tos? I repeat, at the start of hostilities they will be destroyed as 2 by 2. And Azerbaijan has more than enough response to these Tosam including the same Tosy.

I am not suggesting that you measure yourself with [special tools]. I'm talking about the weapons that both sides have. Iskander is an OTRK, it is not used to "fire". The goals for him are quite specific and the use of Iskander-E will mean that large-scale actions have already begun and there is nowhere to retreat - behind Yerevan and Stepanakert. Given the scale of the theater of military operations, such weapons are strategic in nature, rather than a classic operational one.

Azerbaijan, if you buy an atomic bomb, the Russian media will again say there is no advantage) We are already used to it. Let it be your way)

Nobody will sell you an atomic bomb. In Armenia, if desired, they can make a "dirty" atomic bomb using atomic waste from the Metsamor nuclear power plant. And he talked about a fundamental advantage. The offensive capabilities available to Baku will not be enough to gain a decisive advantage in hostilities and "hack" the defense capabilities of the Armenian states. The military doctrine of the Republic of Armenia provides for the concept of active defense, which provides for the containment of the enemy's offensive with the subsequent transfer of hostilities to the enemy's territory. Az.R. There are many very vulnerable points, such as the oil and gas infrastructure, the Mingechaur hydroelectric power station, the destruction or damage of which will cause damage unacceptable for Baku. In the case of the Mingechaur hydroelectric power station, its serious damage can threaten with simply catastrophic consequences. The Metsamor nuclear power plant is under the umbrella of the joint Russian-Armenian air defense / missile defense group.

Not these Points are not Scuds will not reach, I repeat, Azerbaijan has air defense air defense.

Well, what can I say. Yemenis can easily bomb Dots and their modernized Iranian versions of Saudi Arabia wherever they want and how they want. This is with the financial capabilities of the KSA and the American operators of their air defense systems. If you think that Armenians are worse warriors than Yemenis, and your air defense operators are better than American ones, well, then you have nothing to worry about.

Azerbaijan has more than 50 installations TAT, LINUX, KOSYRGA and much more. Whatever Armenia shoots, the answer will be 100 times more. The Armenian army in Cuba is no match for Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan teaches all the moments of an unmanned war and in April showed it and now the number of UAVs is not tens but hundreds. We have a production. Do you understand this?

As you said, time will tell. In April we showed ..... we will show again.

As for the combat capabilities, I already wrote. Baku needs at least fivefold superiority in the offensive. And preferably ten times. Now this is not there. As for April 2016, yes, then you managed to do something. But the main blow was thwarted - in the east (Aghdam) direction by a preemptive artillery strike. The UAVs that are in service with Baku have rather weak protection against electronic warfare equipment, which is why Armenia is developing this direction. Armenia generally works asymmetrically, it’s clear that the Armenian states have much lower economic opportunities, and Stepanakert’s military budget generally has about $ 50 million. But their tasks are solved by modest possibilities. Let me remind you that then Zakir Hasanov threatened to inflict a blow on Stepanakert by all military branches. The NKR Defense Ministry replied that the answer would be disproportionate. As we well know, Baku did not dare to execute the threat of its Minister of Defense. And that says something.

In any case, wait and see. I suppose that Baku may soon again initiate a serious escalation.

[Butchcassidy]

By the way, in 2016, both sides did not use aviation and missile weapons. And there are certain reasons for this, primarily because the collision is already very likely to develop into a full-scale war, which even with the mediation of Moscow cannot be stopped so easily.

And this does not meet the interests of the parties. Including the interests of the aggressor: Baku is well aware that the outcome of a large-scale war is not guaranteed, but more than serious consequences are guaranteed for Baku in the first place.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

By the way, in 2016, both sides did not use aviation

What kind of aviation?)))) Dear Azerbaijan, 50 rooks. Upgraded. To this, plus strategic UAVs with COM missiles (cruise missiles) we have hundreds of them. The first one will fly their radar station and this will sing a song with Armenian air defense.

A bushes drying 30s will not complete the task in Karabakh. The purpose of these aircraft is different. This they themselves recognize.

Quote: ButchCassidy

Including the interests of the aggressor

The aggressor is one and this is indicated in documents of the UN, OIC, Council of Europe and many others. So no one will be especially worried about them, well, except for the Kremlin.

Quote: ButchCassidy

serious consequences in the first place for Baku are guaranteed.

In April 2016, the whole world was silent, and so the next time they will be silent! A document is a document. The main Kremlin. But this is a temporary issue. Pashinyan is doing everything to ruin this relationship.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Marxal2020

What kind of aviation?)))) Dear Azerbaijan, 50 rooks. Upgraded. To this, plus strategic UAVs with COM missiles (cruise missiles) we have hundreds of them. The first one will fly their radar station and this will sing a song with Armenian air defense.

A bushes drying 30s will not complete the task in Karabakh. The purpose of these aircraft is different. This they themselves recognize.

What strategic UAVs are we talking about?
There are two Armenian air defense systems: Stepanakert air defense and the combined air defense of Yerevan and Moscow. Which of them can you zero out for one or two?

The aggressor is one and this is indicated in documents of the UN, OIC, Council of Europe and many others. So no one will be especially worried about them, well, except for the Kremlin.

Well, at home you can drive this nonsense, but then what? Of all the documents you have indicated, only 4 UN Security Council resolutions are binding. In none of them are the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh called aggressors. And how can one be aggressors in their native land? This is an oxymoron. And the rest of the documents are like that, fiction.

In April 2016, the whole world was silent, and so the next time they will be silent! A document is a document. The main Kremlin. But this is a temporary issue. Pashinyan is doing everything to ruin this relationship.

Do not tell tales for Pashinyan. He pursues the policy of his boss Levon Ter-Petrosyan, who is ready to surrender everything and everyone. The question is that he will not be allowed to do this. And about the Kremlin - I already described all this above. Your lack of order does not allow you to drink tea in Shushi in the evening, the Kremlin does not give you, or something else. You can tell your people any nonsense. If the Iranians can bomb US bases in Iraq with impunity, then they do. If you could, you would already do everything that you are telling.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Insurgent

In the main, I’m right that the real conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia has not started so far due to the efforts of the Russian Federation

You are not right with everything. 1. Of course, Russia does not need an open conflict because it will have to make a choice and then reap the consequences. A) if it intervenes, relations between Russia and Azerbaijan will deteriorate. B) If it does not intervene, it will lose an ally who, by the way, is torn to the west. But there is one thing but to whom to sell weapons, offensive and shield. On this conflict to BE, but it should not burn but should smolder.

I am sure you yourself understand this very well. Nothing personal, just business.

[Butchcassidy]

You are not right with everything. 1. Of course, Russia does not need an open conflict because it will have to make a choice and then reap the consequences. A) if it intervenes, relations between Russia and Azerbaijan will deteriorate. B) If it does not intervene, it will lose an ally who, by the way, is torn to the west. But there is one thing but to whom to sell weapons, offensive and shield. On this conflict to BE, but it should not burn but should smolder.

I am sure you yourself understand this very well. Nothing personal, just business.

You are trying to wishful thinking. All attempts to blame the conflict from Baku to Moscow are doomed. The conflict has its roots in the policy of dearmenization of the region, which has been implemented by Turkey and its political project (not unsuccessful, it should be noted) the Republic of Azerbaijan for more than 100 years. This policy is aimed at the genocide of Armenians, and Moscow’s interest in the conflict is just nonsense.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

All attempts to blame the conflict from Baku to Moscow are doomed.

Well, yes, from your words it turns out we wanted to determine ourselves twice in Karabakh in our own land?))))))))))))))))))))))))))), As I understand it, I am a dealer I communicate also stubborn who does not even want to discuss the facts. I understand you are a schoolboy?

Quote: ButchCassidy

This policy is aimed at the genocide of Armenians

Well then, show me in a photo or video where the remains of 1.5 million people from the genocide are buried. All in attention ............

Of course, you would like to hide this incident. It is you who set the Armenians against the Turks.

[Butchcassidy]

Well, yes, from your words it turns out we wanted to determine ourselves twice in Karabakh in our own land?))))))))))))))))))))))))))), As I understand it, I am a dealer I communicate also stubborn who does not even want to discuss the facts. I understand you are a schoolboy?

Well, "your" this land is only because in the 18th century. the ancestors of today's Azerbaijanis migrated there. The Armenians have lived in Orhisten (as the ancient Greeks called the province of Ar.ts.akh of Great Armenia) since time immemorial. Even in Yerevan after the eviction of the Armenians by Shah Abbas deep into Persia until a certain period did not live, but there the Armenians were and will always be.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Well, "your" this land is only because in the 18th century.

What are you saying))) show me at least 1 international treaty of the 17th, 18th century or 16th or 15th where is there even a word about them?))) The name of the king or at least something? You do not show. This is not and never was. But ar-ssa x yes was in the 13th century, and its founder was not Ashot Petrosyan but Hassan Jalal. So do not try to Armenize. And for that matter, let's remake the whole world on a 13th century map. Not weak? Paul Russia Turan !!!! and not Yerevan but Irevan. Name the city correctly. And about Persia. Who ruled Persia until the Khomeini revolution? Azerbaijanis !!! For the past 1000 years, Persia has been ruled by the Qajars and Kashkays, and these are ethnic Azerbaijanis. So do not tell fables here.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Marxal2020

What are you saying))) show me at least 1 international treaty of the 17th, 18th century or 16th or 15th where is there even a word about them?))) The name of the king or at least something? You do not show. This is not and never was. But ar-ssa x yes was in the 13th century, and its founder was not Ashot Petrosyan but Hassan Jalal. So do not try to Armenize. And for that matter, let's remake the whole world on a 13th century map. Not weak? Paul Russia Turan !!!! and not Yerevan but Irevan. Name the city correctly. And about Persia. Who ruled Persia until the Khomeini revolution? Azerbaijanis !!! For the past 1000 years, Persia has been ruled by the Qajars and Kashkays, and these are ethnic Azerbaijanis. So do not tell fables here.

Ahahaha))) It is a pity that the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan is not listened to all over the world, and Heydral’s studies are not taught around the world. Then everyone would believe your nonsense. In the meantime, a little real history: Armenians have different names by origin: John (English), Arman (French), Karen, Suren (Iranian), Hassan (Arabic), Daniel (Jewish), Nikogos (Greek), there are many and actually Armenian names Rook, Vartan, Sipan, Armen, etc. But this does not make carriers of non-Armenian origin of names non-Armenians. As Azerbaijanis of both sexes do not make with the names of Hiyar, Hiyar (Cucumber, Cucumber - so, probably, there will be a female cucumber) vegetables, isn’t it? (not banter, these are real names).
And what a pity (for you))) that Prince Hasan Jalal Dola bore the surname Vakhtangyan, was a Khachen prince (Khachen is a medieval Armenian principality on the territory of present-day Nagorno-Karabakh) built the Armenian monastery Gandzasar (literally from Armenian - "Mountain of treasures", meaning the names are not at all in money, but the fact that the monastery is located on the mountain and was a university and a significant scientific center of that time, and knowledge for Armenians is a treasure), he wrote everything there in Armenian. Well, all sources - from Byzantines and Arabs to Armenians and Mongols - call him an Armenian. Sorry, really sorry (for you).

Sculpture of Hasan Jalal Dol at the Gandzasar Church

I do not know all your alternative folk history, which is taught in Baku, but taking into account the fact that in Iran a significant part of the ruling elite speaks Turki at home - a language that is very similar to Azerbaijani), and the current Iranian rahbar is also "Azerbaijani" according to your version, it is not clear why they suddenly did not go to war against Armenians for "your Karabakh". Maybe because they do not consider themselves "Azerbaijanis" by nationality, but Iranians? And "Azerbaijani" speech can often be heard in Yerevan from Iranians who come to rest on Navruz. And no one there is going to fight for the interests of Baku.

"Ethnic Azerbaijanis" is very funny. Then the Mushki, Hurrians, Urarts and Luwians, who were the ancestors of the Armenians, should be called "ethnic Armenians"? Very funny. Despite the fact that "Azerbaijanis" to designate the Turkic-speaking Shiite population of the Transcaucasus and, first of all, the AzSSR appeared only in the early 30s of the 20th century. in TSB. Before that, there was no nationality as such, there was a confessional ethnonym - Muslims (Muslimlar), and the language was Muslim. Here's an example

And disputes about what you should be called correctly do not subside in Baku so far - Azeri, Azeri or Azerbaijanlar.

[Butchcassidy]

Well then, show me in a photo or video where the remains of 1.5 million people from the genocide are buried. All in attention ............

Of course, you would like to hide this incident. It is you who set the Armenians against the Turks.

All claims can be sent to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation. They will consider your opinion, but for now the official position of Russia as a state was expressed back in 1995, where it is clearly and specifically stated that it was genocide. Yes, and Putin was in Yerevan on April 24, 2015, and not at the "Galipoli anniversary celebration", where Shuvalov went, if I am not mistaken.

[parusnik]

Apparently, the coronavirus pandemic did not affect Armenia and Azerbaijan, if a showdown was started .. "We showed the drama Pif-Paf: the hunter and the hare, who is right - who is wrong? Our credo is laconic. Conventional, convention, convention, convention."

[Marxal2020]

Quote: parusnik

Apparently, the coronavirus pandemic did not affect Armenia and Azerbaijan.

in Baku, quarantine in harsh form.

[Maks1995]

And, in general, as always.
Provocateurs fired, others answered, and now everyone blames the friend’s drkg and escalate ...

And provocateurs everywhere in bulk.
"The Azeri side fired for at least half an hour" "As a result of the shelling, a child was wounded" - and this is in all seriousness ...

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Max1995

And provocateurs everywhere in bulk.
"The Azeri side fired for at least half an hour" "As a result of the shelling, a child was wounded" - and this is in all seriousness ...

Let’s then remember how the Armenians put a mine into the doll and let it down the river towards Azerbaijan, as well as how they killed a small child and grandmother. Practice has shown that the Armenian side is more interested in peaceful people than ours.

[Maks1995]

All parties say the same thing.

A normal person will never get a mine into a doll.

And to the provocateur ... - and to provocateurs and provocative media everywhere in bulk. The oligarchs in power are paying them for this.

Look, on the example of the DNI, LC, Ukraine can be seen ...

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Max1995

A normal person will never get a mine into a doll.

I never lie dear. Here read https://1news.az/mobile/news/armyane-spuskayut-miny-po-reke-gargarchay-v-azerbaydzhanskie-sela

and here is how a little girl and grandmother of 2017 died from a shot of Armenians. https://vesti.az/proisshestvie/xeber__b_pri_obstrele_armyanami_sela_v_fizuli_pogibli_babushka_s_vnuchkoj__b__-335688

And the monument to the Nazis in the city center is proudly erected by the Armenian side and not by us.

and the main paradox is that whatever the Azerbaijani side would not do for Russia, we will always be in the cons and no matter what nasty things the Armenian side would do, they are always in the black.

The world is going crazy!

[Maks1995]

You just do not understand me.
There are always provocateurs who do nasty things. So here I believe you.

But the media often "omit" unfavorable details from both sides.
In Armenia, Azerbaijan I do not know at all. And in Novorossia it is so.

But oligarchs and nationalists need tension, everywhere and always. Hence the shelling and provocation.

[WOLF330]

Do you know that every year Azerbaijani children die from Armenian snipers? Not from a stray bullet or a fragment, but from a sniper shot! This girl was shot dead with her grandmother.

[Maks1995]

I do not know. What I wrote above.

Among my friends there are both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
None of them would even think of it ....

And to whom it will come ... it is clear to whom.
Do you know that, according to interviews, both hired snipers and rich bastards "on the hunt" go to both Ukraine and the DPR?
Fresh "Georgian snipers", "Saudi instructors" flickering here and there?
A Chechen (and nearby) flicker on both sides?

Who pays? He orders the music.

[WOLF330]

I strongly disagree about hired snipers. There is no hot stage. But the Armenian snipers are "practicing" on the peacekeeper - this has been proven. And yet, you have not forgotten about Georgian, Arab and Chechen instructors and snipers, but somehow you are silent about PMCs. But all the others taken together do not even pull 10th in number in comparison with the Wagnerites. Now the thought was thrown, maybe they have settled in Armenia ?!

[Maks1995]

And, that is, on the one hand, angels, all in white, no allah-akbar, and PMCs from Azerbaijan and Turkey do not and never have. And snipers too.

And on the other hand, evil Christian devils and Wagnerites, have grown horns, have leaked to all the countries of the world, and they have probably settled in Armenia too ....

Is logical. In case of a halo, I know where to draw ...

[Marxal2020]

Quote: Max1995

And, that is, on the one hand angels, all in white

It is the angels. Which they were given the names of 80%, dishes, music, land, friendship, and in return genocide in the 19th, genocide in the 92nd, Sumgayit events that Kafan events want to push us to Sumgait.

[WOLF330]

Why distort the facts. First, you yourself were the first to voice the version of the mercenaries. And secondly, following your logic, Islamists of different stripes are shooting at our children from the territory of Armenia?
And one does not need to ascribe religion here in any way. I'm talking about the Crusades and did not stutter. Keep in mind the fact that it’s occupied Azerbaijani lands, and the Russian Federation incidentally recognizes Karabakh as Azerbaijan.

[WOLF330]

That's it ... when Azerbaijani children are killed, we must immediately minus it.
Solidarity, so to speak .. but someone here still remembered about religion .. And laughter and sin!

[Zeev Zeev]

The Azerbaijani village of Baganis-Ayrum is located at the junction of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, a Nagorno-Karabakh conflict broke out between the two Soviet republics of Transcaucasia, which affected both Azerbaijani enclaves and border villages outside of the NKAR.

On March 26, 1990, the village was attacked by Armenia, which killed 11 local residents [3]. On August 19 of the same year, Armenian forces bombarded Baganis-Ayrum and a number of other Azerbaijani villages, and, according to eyewitnesses, used grenade launchers, mortars, hail guns and ground-to-ground missiles [3]. For several hours, the defenders of the village, consisting of two platoons of military unit 5477 of the Ganja OSMBM and the reconnaissance platoon of 368 guards SMEs, repelled the attack, but with the arrival of reinforcements [3], the village came under their control. In battle, the deputy chief of staff of military unit 5477, Captain Lipatov Alexander Vladimirovich, was awarded the Order of the Red Star (posthumously) for courage and heroism by a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of December 14, 1990.

[Butchcassidy]

The beginning of hostilities from Baku is a matter of time. Khramchikhin writes about this in the Military-Industrial Courier, and the logic of events suggests this: a sharp drop in oil prices hurts the Az budget. R. And always in order to distract from social problems, as if by magic, "provocations of the Armenians" appear at the moment necessary for Baku, which "the valiant defenders of Az. R." by order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief I. Aliyev, they were "repelled". And now everything can be more serious. 4 years have passed since the last "war", in Armenia there is a political crisis and a crisis of state administration. The special services and the police have cleaned up those who refuse to carry out Pashinyan's nonsense and co, the army has not been touched, apparently a small degree of adequacy is still present.

Today, war is needed only in Baku. The Armenian states need a strategic turning point in order to stop the issues of provocations and the constant threat of war on the western borders. The tasks to be solved are clear. The only question is political will and means, of course.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

The start of hostilities from Baku is a matter of time.

I agree, but this has nothing to do with the fall in oil prices.

Quote: ButchCassidy

Today, war is needed only in Baku.

Why are you making babuyaga from Baku? More than 20% of the land (by all recognized including the Russian Federation) is under occupation and UN resolutions are not implemented.

[svoit]

Quote: Marxal2020

More than 20% of the land (by all recognized including the Russian Federation) is under occupation and UN resolutions are not implemented.

It would be better to direct forces to convince the Azerbaijani elite that there is no "occupation" and never has been, as soon as it succeeds, then this elite is quite capable of convincing the people and the possibility of a peaceful outcome will significantly increase. All the same, there are probably more refugees among the Armenians and they need to live somewhere.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry called Nagorno-Karabakh the territory occupied by Armenia, adding that there can be no election in the region under occupation.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry, unfortunately, is mistaken; in international practice it is considered normal to legitimize the occupation by elections.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: svoit

It would be better to direct forces to convince the Azerbaijani elite that there is no "occupation" and never has been

Believe me, if you would have proposed this in Baku, at least you would have been beaten. Here, power in the Karabakh issue does not play a role in my plan. Karabakh - it was and is and will be Azerbaijan. We will return !!!! and he’s not going anywhere.

Quote: svoit

there are probably more Armenian refugees and they need to live somewhere

They love Russia more than Armenia.

[Butchcassidy]

I agree, but this has nothing to do with the fall in oil prices.

Directly connected. Since the main source of filling the budget Az. R.

Why are you making babuyaga from Baku? More than 20% of the land (by all recognized including the Russian Federation) is under occupation and UN resolutions are not implemented.

Read Security Council resolutions. As for the occupation - and Az. R. and NKR, like the RA, RB, RF, etc. left the Union on the basis of one ton of the same Union law. And by the way, Nakhchivan would also become independent if G. Aliyev were not able to become president of Az. R. Do I tell you that he made a separate peace with Yerevan and that everything was calm on the Armenian-Nakhichevan border?

[Lekxnumx]

Ogo Khramchikhin revealed the secret of the open door))) Of course, Baku needs war! Armenia is satisfied with the status quo. Conducting a sabotage operation in that direction does not make sense. Since both sides are lying, and no one has canceled the information war, you need to turn on your logic. And even better, open the map and see! In the first, the GPS already carried out the offensive and occupied the dominant heights in the direction of Mount Babakar, the heights of Saltamysh, the Azerbaijani villages of Gushchu Ayrym, Gizil Hajili and Mezem. And further advancement means a wedge in the settlements in subsequent problems. Since the positions are literally over Armenian villages everything is visually controlled by special devices. And the advancement of the DRG is not advisable by virtue of detection. What goals are set for the DRG to collect information, it is already by virtue of the best location. Sow panic in the rear? So this is achieved by large-caliber firearms. To interfere with traffic? So again, a certain section of the road is controlled. Purely in military and political terms, can someone explain why sabotage in that direction? I admit in other sectors of the front

[knn54]

And why (this is indirectly indicated in the article) not to assume the presence of a "fashionable" third force in our time.
Erdogan, who behaves, in my understanding, like a "Young Turk". Climbs from the Caucasus to Africa, from Cyprus to Central Asia. Only the "saviors of the fatherland" and their leaders ended badly.
I do not exclude the Anglo-Saxons who need to weaken Russia's influence in the Transcaucasus and fan the fire near its borders in the North Caucasus.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: knn54

Erdogan, who behaves, in my understanding, like a "Young Turk". Climbs from the Caucasus

Turkey on the Karabakh issue repeats that is all. UN, 4 resolutions and so on. They are not up to Armenia and not up to the Caucasus, believe me. They don’t care about the Armenians AT ALL, for if there were at least 1% of the business, they would simply expel the illegal Armenians from Turkey, who are there to earn money and their 150.000 people.

Quote: knn54

I do not exclude the Anglo-Saxons, who need to weaken Russia's influence in the Caucasus

This is a dessert for them. After Syria, it is Iran’s turn, and then the Karabakh conflict and the biological laboratory in Armenia and the US embassy with a huge staff will come in handy. But for now, it's for dessert.

[rotmistr60]

reports of a sharp aggravation of the situation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border

This is not the first time the situation has escalated, and unfortunately not the last. Azerbaijan has an ally Turkey, which, as can be seen from the article, is already openly interfering in the internal affairs of Karabakh. That's just, as if Azerbaijan did not end up stepping on the Georgian rake. Those were also pumped up with weapons, trained and "supported" by the Americans so that the Georgians had a false impression of themselves as the strongest army in the region. The result is known.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: rotmistr60

Azerbaijan has an ally Turkey, which, as can be seen from the article, is already openly interfering

Do not believe in the article. If Turkey wants to intervene, they will simply expel 150.000 illegal immigrants from Armenia and then Pashinyan will bite his elbows. Turkey the maximum that makes it sells weapons and training. ALL! Another is not given and is not necessary! Unless of course Russia does not intervene openly in the Karabakh conflict.

Quote: rotmistr60

as if Azerbaijan eventually stepped on a Georgian rake

But the paradox is that Azerbaijan is not Georgia. Not from an economic point of view, not from a geopolitical one, not in military and open intervention, in this case Turkey will intervene.

Quote: rotmistr60

taught and "supported" by the Americans

Invalid comparison. Do you intervene for Belarus if NATO runs into them? The same story in relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, only we do not have gas and meat dairy conflicts, unlike the ones described above.

[WOLF330]

Do you think you won in Georgia?

[Butchcassidy]

Is not it so?

[Marxal2020]

Quote: KURT330

Do you think you won in Georgia?

They probably consider it a privilege that Ganduras recognized Abkhazia))))))

[Lekxnumx]

For especially gifted minus players of my first post, I'll clarify! The Azerbaijani Army is the "National Army of Azerbaijan", which includes the Land Forces of Azerbaijan, the Air Force of Azerbaijan, and the Naval Forces of Azerbaijan. The State Border Service is not part of the National Army as a type of troops. In that direction of the front, the National Army of Azerbaijan DOES NOT! The first administration of the VO, before reprinting the nonsense of the Armenian media, clarify the information. Second, the forum participants, before how to minus, state their position and the reason for the minus. And although it is already clear here. You put yourself in a laughing stock with your senseless minuses.

[WOLF330]

Again, Armenian desa .. The Armenian Armed Forces have 2-200 and 2-300. And this is when repelling the attack?

[WOLF330]

Quote: Insurgent

Silence is better at all.

Are you hanging out in the role of the cupper?

[WOLF330]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Armenian states

I hope that Stavropol Territory with the Krasnodar Territory, as well as Sochi, are included in this wording of yours.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: KURT330

I hope that Stavropol Territory with the Krasnodar Territory, as well as Sochi, are included in this wording of yours.

And here Sochi and Krasnodar? This is Petrosyanism at the level of inclusion of Moscow food markets in the territory of Az.R.

Russia is Russia. And the citizens of the country behave themselves in it law-abidingly. Regardless of nationality. And to all the rest comes a good uncle, a policeman.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: KURT330

I hope that Stavropol Territory with the Krasnodar Territory, as well as Sochi, are included in this wording of yours.

They are already asking for autonomy.

[WOLF330]

Both half of Turkey and half of Georgia

[Marxal2020]

Quote: KURT330

Both half of Turkey and half of Georgia

I can bet how relations with Iran and Iran’s gender will deteriorate.

[WOLF330]

Quote: Marxal2020

4 total drone knocked Assad army to their knees in Syria

Only Asad? Man, you just flatter your opponent

[Marxal2020]

Quote: KURT330

Man, you just flatter your opponent

Think correctly) I do not want to spoil the mood of our opponents. :)))

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Marxal2020

Do not believe in the article. If Turkey wants to intervene, they will simply expel 150.000 illegal immigrants from Armenia and then Pashinyan will bite his elbows. Turkey the maximum that makes it sells weapons and training. ALL! Another is not given and is not necessary! Unless of course Russia does not intervene openly in the Karabakh conflict.

Spartan king Leonidas said centuries ago: Molon labe - come and take it. And - Armenians - "illegal immigrants" who have been living in their homeland for thousands of years, will answer you and other panturskist fraternity.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

A-Armenians are "illegal immigrants" who have lived in their homeland for thousands of years

Listen ...
1. 80% of the surnames of Armenians, Turkic with the Persian ending of the YaN (About who controlled Persia, I wrote above)
2. Folkler and Turkic dishes.
3. In their phrasebook a huge mass of Turkic words.

This all speaks of the assimilation of Armenians with the Turks and not vice versa. These are not only my words, I can show you 100000 examples by Armenian sources.

Do not mislead people.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

live in their homeland for thousands of years

For thousands of years they have been living anywhere but in their own land. And they like foreign land more than Armenia. Migration service indicators look.

[WOLF330]

So he is Armenian, it is useless to argue with him.

[Marxal2020]

Quote: KURT330

So he is Armenian, it is useless to argue with him.

I thought so too when he wrote Parsakh) Usually Russians don’t write like that.