In the Chinese Sina, they said that they “solved the riddle” of the location of the missiles in the internal compartments of the Su-57

The Chinese press is discussing the situation in the Russian Federation in relation to the operation of fifth-generation fighter pilots. The military-thematic section of a major Chinese information resource Sina discusses a video published by the Russian Ministry of Defense that tells how pilots of the Russian aerospace forces master the latest aviation technique. The video, published on March 25, is called "Beyond the Laws of Physics."

The Chinese author, commenting on the video, writes about the demonstrated ability of the Su-57 to fire missiles of the "air-to-air" class at "outrageous angles of attack."

From the material:

Russian Su-57 fighters are capable of striking air-to-air missiles, carrying out almost vertical climb.

According to the author of the material on the Sina resource, this allows the Su-57 pilot to attack the enemy’s aircraft while in the lower echelon, which for many other fighters would be regarded as losing in advance in the event of an air battle.

The video of the Ministry of Defense in question:

Further, the Chinese author writes that the video published by the Russian defense department answered the question of where the missiles are located on the Su-57 fighter.

From the material:

Two huge “cocoon” compartments under its wings turned out to be lateral locations for air-to-air missiles. Due to their small size and inconspicuous location, these "cocoons" were previously considered an on-board electronic system, and now it is finally confirmed that they are directly related to arming a fighter with R-73 missiles or their modifications. Thus, the mystery of the location of missiles on the Su-57 in the internal compartments is unraveled.

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How much the internal arms bays on the Su-57 were "secret" is an open question. Apparently, no one was going to hide the presence of internal compartments for full-time rocket weapons of the new generation Russian fighter. Therefore, the statement on the "solved secret" looks strange.

Comments

[knn54]

Sina "guessed" before Sohu, however.

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

Sina "guessed" before Sohu, however.

And how "The National Interest" will be offended ...

[Sky strike fighter]

We don’t forget about The Drive. By the way, in my opinion, the R-74M2 short-range air-to-air missile was launched.

The Drive believes that a unique design of compartments, which includes a retractable rail, can be implemented in the Su-57. The ammunition is launched from it.

The design of the interior of the Su-57 at the link below.
https://topcor.ru/13817-amerikancy-pytajutsja-ponjat-chto-za-raketu-vypustil-su-57-na-ispytanijah.html

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: knn54

Sina "guessed" before Sohu, however.

Quote: svp67

And how "The National Interest" will be offended ...

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Do not forget about The Drive.

Right now the "expert" D.Majumdar will come and tell everyone everything ...

Quote: poquello

))))) fortune-telling office

[cost]

Sina "guessed" before Sohu, however.

That's what journalistic responsiveness means.
in the morning the thought came in closet - in the evening an article in the newspaper

[Thrifty]

Pilots have rockets in the cockpit, and before launching their pilots inflate

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Thrifty

Pilots have rockets in the cockpit, and before launching their pilots inflate

This is where you read this? Why in the cockpit?

[Boratsagdiev]

And where else to store them?! ...
Moreover, the second pilot launches them from hand.
Therefore, specifically this angle for the show was chosen.

[Aviator_]

Father told me that during the war, he, the navigator of the Po-2, usually had 10 kg SAB on his knees during night sorties, which he threw overboard over the target. New - well forgotten old!

[cost]

Moreover, the second pilot launches them from hand.
Therefore, specifically this angle for the show was chosen.

Judging by the angle - not from the hands, but from the feet. .. But shh is a military secret

[33 Watcher]

They say that if hands grow from the priests, then these are legs.

[cost]

And you are well-read. I respect you.
For a quote from the school of young monkeys "Mowgli" you are a fat plus

[Boratsagdiev]

the third pilot holds his feet, so that he doesn’t fall with a rocket in his arms in turns.

[gurzuf]

Why in the cockpit? Probably because it’s easier to push them into the hole in the floor with your foot.

[DimanC]

Wait, wait! The first of April has not yet arrived!

[mitroha]

Quote: knn54

Sina "guessed" before Sohu, however.

It looks like an Indian movie, however

[Sibguest]

Narrow-film "worn out" reported their discovery at the Sukhoi Design Bureau?
Suddenly no one there knows about it?

[Paul Siebert]

To these Chinese, just give a screwdriver and look away for five minutes ...
Run over, disassemble and make copies of recyclables.
And then these copies will be declared "Chinese know-how", "great breakthrough."
And they will glorify the "masterpieces" on their media resources ...

[poquello]

))))) fortune-telling office

[Angelo Provolone]

is called "Beyond the laws of physics"

To someone who came up with this:
"Everything happens according to the laws of physics, you just don't know some of them ...".

[Reserve buildbat]

"To what extent the internal compartments for the location of weapons on the Su-57 were" secret "is an open question. Apparently, no one was going to hide the presence of internal compartments for the standard rocket armament of the Russian new generation fighter."
It was just that all attention was riveted to the main weapon compartments between the nacelles. And these influxes really considered everything to be anything, but not arms bays.

[Tuzik]

Well, why are you like this? But to banter over the Chinese!

[Vladimir_6]

In the Chinese Sina, they said that they “solved the riddle” of the location of the missiles in the internal compartments of the Su-57

And the riddle of the riots in the Chinese province of Hubei has not yet been solved?
We have to focus on an article by the American news network Breitbart.

[Operator]

The answer is simple - according to official data from China over the past day, 53 people were infected with the coronavirus (this was with the alleged epidemic in Wuhan).

By the way, in "God's chosen" Israel 425 people were infected per day, the total number of infected reached 3460 (with a population of 9 million - less than in Moscow), which indicates a complete failure of local health care.

#poravalit?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Operator

which indicates a complete failure of local health care.

The healthcare system and its methods have failed EVERYWHERE! No country can say that its health system has effectively and quickly defeated the virus.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Operator

(with a population of 9 million - less than in Moscow)

But almost as much as in Belarus. And the area is 10 times less if I don’t confuse anything ...
So what?

[Operator]

The fact that in Russia with a 147-million population is half the number of cases of sick people than in Israel.

Question - what does the number of Belarusians have to do with it?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Operator

Question - what does the number of Belarusians have to do with it?

Quote: Operator

By the way, in "God's chosen" Israel 425 people were infected per day, the total number of infected reached 3460 people (with a population of 9 million - less than in Moscow)

What does Israel have to do with it?
And why bother talking about numbers and comparing?
In general - it’s a muddy thing to consider sick and dead, based on official data. Someone considers fresh urns with ashes, someone believes that the authorities are silent about the true state of things. Out of my ear I heard the opinion, for example, that China announced the cessation of the pandemic due to the fact that they simply stopped counting the dead. Dark business, in short ...
And let's not flood anymore?

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

Another clue for everyone will be the super-maneuverability of the SU-57, allowing you to shoot everyone and everything at 360 x 360 degrees

[Operator]

Damn, on the Internet in bulk pictures of the wing sections of the arms of the Su-57 - well, I realized: the Internet has not yet been sent to China

[pilot306]

Can I reference at least one photograph of the open wing compartment of the Su-57?

[Operator]

Only for you

[pilot306]

I repeat: reference at least for one photo of open wing compartment Su-57? A painted photograph on take-off, with closed arms compartments is not interesting (((

[pilot306]

Here are the open fuselage compartments of the f-35: https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-09/thumbs/1474698039_1.jpeg Find the same photo of the open wing sections of the Su-57 on the Internet, as promised)). The article was about what, in fact, is hiding under these influxes.

[Operator]

Instead of asking for a free photo of the wing sections of the Su-57 in the open position (which I did not promise), it’s better to study the corresponding KB patent
https://findpatent.ru/patent/261/2614871.html
and official aircraft design patterns that are available on the Internet (in addition to dozens of Su-57 pictures in flight with clearly visible wing compartments of weapons in a closed position).

Tovarisch Chinese spy, the salary must be worked out independently.

[pilot306]

Sorry, I read from you

on the Internet in bulk pictures of the wing sections of the arms of the Su-57

, and then

ask for free photo of the wing sections of the Su-57

. Nowhere do you see contradictions?

[Operator]

It is not good to cut off a quote at the most interesting place: "... in an open position (which I did not promise)."

Tovarisch, you are just like the Ideological Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, which liked to quote the VIL in this form: "The most important art for us is cinema", modestly forgetting about the ending "... and the circus"

[Pre ol]

Operator - so as not to look like a fool, do not repeat other people's nonsense. Because there was no "circus" ending. It has been chewed for a long time. Link to scans of primary sources?

[Well done]

"Solved the riddle" of the location of the missiles

But is it necessary for this a lot of mind?

[thinker]

YouTube video comment

Min Defense finally began to hire professionals to shoot videos. Taken cool, the installation is excellent, well, the aircraft themselves are certainly beautiful.

[askort154]

Two huge “cocoon” compartments under its wings turned out to be lateral locations for air-to-air combat missiles

Finally, guessed. Now it’s necessary to rivet on your own super J-20.

[Zaurbek]

On the "VP" they wrote that it was a failure ...

[HAM]

"Two huge compartments- "cocoons" under its wings turned out to be lateral locations for air-to-air combat missiles. Due to its small size and inconspicuous location, these "cocoons ......."

The Chinese are confusing the enemies .... Guessful !!

[rruvim]

I’m trying to explain to everyone at Topvar that the SU-57 is a unique machine. I saw her live only at MAKS with old engines, but my acquaintances working at the UAC on the "fingers" explained that it would be in five years. It will be Fantastic !!! The question is whether factories, subcontractors, research institutes would work, etc. etc. Well, the whole concept is correct! Unless, of course, the guys from KRTV fail ...

[Tuzik]

Quote: rruvim

but my acquaintances, working in the UAC on the "fingers" explained that it will be in five years.

Are radar absorbing work in progress? Solve this problem?

[rruvim]

As far as I understood from conversations with the "developers", there is no point in working on a radio-absorbing coating. Any flying object is already determined not by the Doppler transition, but by the magnetic component, which computers can easily "design" from these cell towers. Up to a meter. Plus, coils buried in the ground with a copper-nickel winding determine the object of movement within a radius of 2-3 km., Giving data to standard radars. At the same time, STEALTH technologies do not work, because any stealth bomber (for example, SPIRIT) violates the earth's magnetosphere. Plus, any stealth or non-stealth object makes non-hackneyed eddies in the atmosphere, which are captured and systematized by passive sensors, even in the HYDROMET.

[rruvim]

With the introduction of photonic locators (in metal), Stealth technologies will generally lose their relevance.

[Tuzik]

Thanks, interesting, I thought they were pounding there and testing. In your version, the Americans are dumb.

[rruvim]

No, the Americans are certainly not stupid. Moreover, excellent programmers from India and Russia work in the US military-industrial complex. They just clashed at the turn of the 60s-70s with Vietnam, where our 75s were, and in the "war of attrition" with the 125s. Therefore, their scientific thought went to the development of aviation in stealth technology. And it worked! In 1991 in Iraq and 1999 in Yugoslavia. But now is the 21st century. Stealth technologies are not relevant, or rather, they are terrible for underdeveloped countries, I assure the standard "Roland" radar in Brazil will not see the F-35. Perhaps the F-35 will not "see" most of our complexes, including the 400s. But in the future they will see!

[Same lech]

Perhaps the F-35 will not "see" most of our complexes, including the 400s.

Do not go in cycles in С-400 ... Ф-35 are not immortal Gods.

[Tuzik]

I agree, there is logic, if we assume that in the next 20 years there will be no serious war. Striped nonetheless, the B-21 is being prepared for release, with all the stealth chips.

[rruvim]

Well, they are preparing a new "bomber" not to fight against China or Russia. This is all colonial policy. There are many countries or entities that honor themselves as independent states, where the B-21 will be invulnerable.

[_Ugene_]

where does the magnetic component and the coils buried in the ground, etc., etc.? stealth has a very small EPR, as a result, for example, a missile seeker does not capture air-air in a frontal projection or a capture fails, as a result it is problematic to shoot it down, besides all of your coils buried in the ground with our country size is just ridiculous and the cell towers in the real war will most likely not work, all of these are banal excuses, but they can’t say honestly - yes, in these technologies we were 20 years behind (in the 90s there was no time for this, there was nothing to eat ) and it's too late to catch up

[rruvim]

In a globalized world, catching up with technology is easy! There would be political will and resources. Question in concepts... Now we are not even talking about stealth technologies, but the question "is a pilot needed?"

[_Ugene_]

In a globalized world, catching up with technology is easy!

it seems so to you, it takes time for everything, political will and resources can’t reduce it at all, this is clearly seen in China, despite political will and huge resources in some areas they still can’t catch up, for example, aircraft engines

Now we are not even talking about stealth technologies, but the question "Do you need a pilot?"

the question "do you need a pilot?" does not negate the advantages of stealth, an unobtrusive drone will also have an advantage over a conventional one

[rruvim]

Imagine a stealth-stealth-stealth drone, this is not a caliber with a tomahawk, released and forgot. In any case, the UAV has a connection with the operator. He fonit, like a Christmas tree. Well, let's say a UAV, like Globalhawk, has a direct connection with the repeater in orbit, but these satellites are known to everyone and their orbits as well. It is possible and possible to determine the transmission of data in a certain place, and the point in space where the data is transmitted. Then, of course, the work of ground-based radars. I assure you, if someone pokes a finger at the analog oscilloscope on the good old P-15, at the right place and at the right time, the operator will see the target with both 0,15 EPR and 0,0014, like in SPIRIT. And the CHP operator will capture it. It’s important that someone pokes this finger.

[_Ugene_]

the operator will see the target with both 0,15 EPR and 0,0014, as in SPIRIT. And the CHP operator will capture it.

firstly, when the RCS is 0,0014, then the operator can see 50 more birds around and it is not clear how a target with such RCS can be identified, secondly, it is not enough to "see" the target, it still needs to be destroyed, and with this there are big problems for the rocket launcher

[rruvim]

I wrote that therefore we need someone who pokes his finger at the mark between all the garbage on the screen. Do you know who "saw" Powers on May 1, 1960 over the Urals? There is no radar station for 75 complexes. And the usual passive station POST-3M (in the common people "shepherdess"). It does not emit anything, it only receives signals. U-2 with its electronics became an "open book" for the operator. He passed the azimuth and direction to the authorities, naturally by telephone with a pen. And there the divisions have already begun to "compete", they even "filled up" their board.

[_Ugene_]

who pokes a finger between the trash on the screen

this is the problem with stealth aircraft, and drones can now perform some tasks completely autonomously, without communication with the operator, and in the near future it will be commonplace, how then to detect a drone with stealth technologies? the advantages of stealth are undeniable, such aircraft simply have more room for maneuver, they will notice it much later than a regular aircraft, so it’s much easier to work on a target from afar, without going into the detection zone

[rruvim]

What is the difference between a conventional airplane and a UAV? Only the fact that there the pilot sits and breathes air. Everything else is only worse, because it is a mechanism, not Orlan, a living bird that can hang for hours in the air, spreading its wings. The so-called stealth technology is a scam like coronovirus. Affects countries where there is no normal air defense system. I do not claim that it is normal in our country, I mean engineering thought. Stealth technologies: radio-reflective coating, corner design of an object, reduction of turbine exhaust in the IR range, etc. all this has already been studied and recognized, for example, in Moscow Baumanka or at the Moscow Aviation Institute. But these are only general education universities.

therefore, it is much easier for him to work on a target from afar without going into the detection zone

But I agree with this, with the phrase: without going into the detection zone. You thereby state that the STELS UAV can be detected. But this is a question for the rockets. The carrier should only fly up into the air, its whole task ... And it can barrage only in colonial countries.

[_Ugene_]

Don't you understand that the so-called detection area of ​​a conventional aircraft is much larger than that of a stealth aircraft? Nobody claims for a long time that stealth is "invisible". The same air defense radar will detect an ordinary aircraft at a distance several times greater than the stealth one, as a result, stealth can work out with missiles without entering the detection zone of the air defense radar and dump. The missile seeker has very limited characteristics due to massive size limitations and therefore they have big problems with the capture of targets with a small EPR, the probability of hitting a target is reduced significantly. All this gives inconspicuous aircraft a tangible advantage over ordinary ones, that's all, "all this has already been studied and recognized" and only the very stubborn continue to repeat their mantras about the fact that stealth is a scam and a scam

[Mavrikiy]

"Beyond the laws of physics."

Sounds nice.

[rruvim]

"Beyond the laws of physics" is, of course, a propaganda cliche. But, the fact that the "developed" abandoned the STELS technology and switched only to the aerodynamics of the SU-57 is a big plus.

[Pacifist with AK]

The Chinese are so insightful ....

[Ros 56]

The Chinese media are very crudely obsessively acting as propagandists. Subtlety is not enough, but like Asians.

[Maxim Sibirev]

I generally thought that launching a rocket was an installation (it was already like that in his case). For the main event of the video was positioned as a beautiful flight (of which there were already a lot), but not a word about the launch of the rocket (although this would be an event because we have not seen the launch of the rocket yet)

[Altona]

In the Chinese Sina, they said that they “solved the riddle” of the location of the missiles in the internal compartments of the Su-57
----------------------------------
Models of aircraft, including the Su-57, are sold on AliExpress, with good detail and description, apparently guessed to buy and consider.

[rruvim]

I somehow managed to "get through" to the pilot (pilot of the SU-57) at the last MAKS. Probably my arrogance led, I ran from the cops on the floor of the "site" in Zhukovsky. One question I had was: "How is it?" He answered until I was captured (I don't know his last name) "Cool car!"

[Varaga]

The people of Sinai have revealed the "secret" ... Majumdar is not on them! He would have spread them for all the compartments - without leaving the office, without getting out of the table, without looking up from the "keyboard".

[cniza]

Thus, the mystery of the location of the missiles on the Su-57 in the internal compartments is unraveled.

They are funny however ...

[kit88]

In the twelfth year of his term, the Vigilant Falcon discovered that there was no external wall in his cell.

[cherkas.oe]

Fsё, now this rubik's cube and the Chinese and piHdocy will twist until the brains are dislocated. And then they will start to think up to themselves that they won’t be like this until they go crazy.

[Unic]

Beautiful plane

[universe1]

I wonder how the sticking rivets on the structural elements of the aircraft help the invisibility of the radar of a potential enemy?

[Incompetent]

Who knows what is the problem "attacking an enemy aircraft during vertical climb" for less modern aircraft ??

[rruvim]

In the event of a serious conflict, serious countries with equal potential, it is the climb attack that decides the outcome. This became clear already in the 70s, when the Migi did not have time to gain altitude during the attacks of the Israeli Phantoms, and already reaching the corners of the attack they understood that the Israelis had lost their trail. In the Iraqi-Iranian war, only the one who took off earlier could intercept the enemy's plane, so the war in the sky became loitering, where both sides constantly kept several squadrons in the sky. She also became a "tanker" one. Iraqis and Iranians dropped air-to-air missiles, without meeting each other, on civilian ships.

[Incompetent]

An informative story! But still I did not understand why the planes cannot attack targets located at an altitude from below? I caught the target and pressed the button, is it difficult? Or "upside down" you fly like this, catch an airplane and piu .. the target is hit

[Dart]

oh, not just such a nickname .... "Incompetent (Vityok)"

[Incompetent]

I evaluate myself objectively

[Operator]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Dark business, in short ... And let's not flood anymore?

If you do not understand the issue, then all your comments are flood.

[Operator]

Quote: pilot306

bottom photo of the open wing compartment of the Su-57

Tovarisch Chinese spy, no one promised you an open wing compartment.

[Fmax]

The video clearly shows that there is mounting and a rocket at the external point of the suspension. What they saw in Sina is not clear, maybe the coronavirus affected.

[bars1]

This place does not provide an external weapon suspension assembly.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: rruvim

In the event of a serious conflict, serious countries with equal potential, it is the climb attack that decides the outcome. This became clear already in the 70s, when the Migi did not have time to gain altitude during the attacks of the Israeli Phantoms, and already reaching the corners of the attack they understood that the Israelis had lost their trail. In the Iraqi-Iranian war, only the one who took off earlier could intercept the enemy's plane, so the war in the sky became loitering, where both sides constantly kept several squadrons in the sky. She also became a "tanker" one. Iraqis and Iranians dropped air-to-air missiles, without meeting each other, on civilian ships.

all the pilots knew this in WWII, you were late with such news!

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Incompetent

Who knows what is the problem "attacking an enemy aircraft during vertical climb" for less modern aircraft ??

no problem, a sharp turn will help for modern aviation too. Now the whole thing is the runway, it is not there - there will be no aviation either. Air defense steers the topic.
ps I don’t know a single plane that will land on the primer - the asphalt will then refuel and take off, training has been going on for several years, but no one really sat down and took off from the parking lot after refueling near our gas station !!!

[Chaldon48]

It is necessary to show the whole world how smart they are, these damned Russians are cunning, they are hiding everything, but they cannot be fooled, they see everything through!

[Nitarius]

))) Wow))) beauty)))

[Genak]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Operator

which indicates a complete failure of local health care.

The healthcare system and its methods have failed EVERYWHERE! No country can say that its health system has effectively and quickly defeated the virus.

And about the annual outbreaks of influenza, everyone immediately has amnesia, it fails every year;)

[Mentat]

Quote: pilot306

Sorry, I read from you

on the Internet in bulk pictures of the wing sections of the arms of the Su-57

, and then

ask for free photo of the wing sections of the Su-57

. Nowhere do you see contradictions?

There are no contradictions anywhere. He talks about compartments, you write about open compartments.

Neither he nor you will find such photographs, because the principle of work is a state secret. Calm down already, the anglerfish is primitive.

Here they somehow tried to fetch information on photon radars, and when they were sent to study monographs, starting from the Soviet era, which were almost publicly available, they were blown away sharply. You should be ready for copying on a silver platter, right?