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TV channelHistory"Launched the nationwide contest" I am proud. " Now everyone can talk about why he is proud of his great-grandfather, grandfather or someone close to them who participated in the Second World War. These are stories of heroic deeds and fearless deeds that should never be forgotten. And today we recall the assault on Koenigsberg, a city that, over eight centuries, was turned by the Germans into a powerful fortress, which the Nazis considered impregnable. Hitler ordered the defense of Koenigsberg to the last soldier and to the last cartridge. The assault of Koenigsberg by the Red Army lasted four days and became the most fleeting operation to capture a large city during the Second World War.


The Inaccessible Bastion


During the Second World War, the capital of East Prussia - the city of Koenigsberg - was the largest and most well-fortified fortress in Europe. The Germans surrounded the city with forts, powerful walls, pillboxes and other fortifications. Hitler called Koenigsberg "an impregnable bastion of the German spirit." The Nazi command gave defense to this stronghold an important meaning. It was here, in East Prussia, that a school of German officers emerged. From here, the unification of German lands once began. For many Germans, the loss of this region amounted to the loss of Germany itself.

The assault on Koenigsberg by Soviet troops lasted four days - from April 6 to 9, 1945. It was one of the most fleeting operations to capture a large and well-defended city during the Second World War. According to official figures, during the assault, the Red Army lost more than 3 soldiers and officers killed. The Germans - ten times more - over 000 people.

Such success was achieved thanks to the careful preparation of the operation. Every step, every action and maneuver of the Red Army was thought out down to the smallest detail. In March 1945, a special front-line model was created, over which a special group of one hundred people worked. At the head of the project was the Marshal of the Soviet Union - Alexander Mikhailovich Vasilevsky, as well as commanders of all military branches, tankmen, pilots, signalmen, infantrymen. Each group was formed separately and received a specific task, thanks to which people better understood where to go, what to do, who to interact with, and how to complete the task.

For centuries, East Prussia has been the scene of fierce and bloody battles. It was here that in the 18th century Russian troops inflicted a heavy defeat on the considered invincible army of the Prussian King Frederick the Great. In 1807, at the Battle of Preisis Eilau, the Russian army stopped Napoleon's victorious march to the East. The last major battle in East Prussia took place at the very beginning of the First World War. Then the Russian troops under the command of Generals Samsonov and Rennenkampf during the offensive on Koenigsberg at the cost of heavy losses actually thwarted the plan for a lightning war Kaiser Germany against Russia and France.

During the Second World War, Hitler set the task of turning East Prussia into an impregnable bastion of the Third Reich. On the outskirts of the city of Rastenburg, just a hundred kilometers from Koenigsberg, was Hitler’s main wolf’s headquarters, where the Führer spent a total of more than eight hundred days. East Prussia was turned into a huge fortress with a large number of bunkers and artillery positions, which were surrounded by natural barriers in the form of rivers, lakes and swamps. Of course, getting through such armor was not easy.

Rest only in our dreams


The first aerial bombardment of Koenigsberg and its environs was carried out by the Soviet aviation by order of Stalin in the fall of 1941. This was a response to the German bombing of Moscow. However, the raid of British aviation in 1944 became truly destructive for Koenigsberg. On August 30, 189 British Lancasters dropped 480 tons of incendiary bombs onto the city. It was a targeted bombardment of the city with high-explosive bombs that burned buildings from the ceiling to the basement.

In early 1945, under the pressure of the Red Army, the Wehrmacht retreated to the west. Soviet troops liberated most of Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, Poland and went to the eastern borders of Germany. On January 12, Stalin gave the order to launch an offensive along the entire front from the shores of the Baltic to the Carpathian Mountains. In the north, the main blow was inflicted on the territory of Poland and East Prussia. German defense was broken through. Warsaw was liberated on January 17th. A few days later, the Red Army took the fortress of Poznan, crossed the Oder and reached the direct road to Berlin. In the north, Soviet troops pushed German divisions to the Baltic Sea and actually surrounded Koenigsberg. By the end of January, three large groups of German troops concentrated in the city and its suburbs, which continued to provide fierce resistance.

Hitler gave the order to defend East Prussia up to the last soldier and to the last patron, giving this a very great moral and ideological meaning. Therefore, when the offensive began on January 13, Red Army soldiers met with a serious retaliatory strike. Geographically, this is a very good area for defense: it is replete with swamps, rivers, lakes and hills, which are very easy to defend. In fact, to storm East Prussia did not mean to follow the route that is convenient for the advancing, but to move along the so-called beaten paths, being subjected to attacks by forces previously deployed here.

The Koenigsberg fortifications were three lines of all-round defense. The outer line ran approximately 10 kilometers from the city center and consisted of old forts built at the end of the 19th century. The brick walls of the fort were reinforced with a meter layer of concrete. On top of the fortifications were covered with a thick layer of earth, and outside surrounded by a moat. The garrison of such a fort could include up to three hundred people armed with machine guns, light guns and mortars. A second line of defense ran through the outskirts of the city, including capital stone buildings, barricades, and reinforced concrete firing points. The third line encircled the central part of Koenigsberg and consisted of old fortifications. Most of the buildings in the city center were connected by underground tunnels, had warehouses, arsenals and even underground factories that produced military products.

On January 28, 1945, by order of Hitler, General Otto Lyash was appointed commandant of Koenigsberg. The next day, Lyash arrived at the fortress and ordered that a new underground bunker be built immediately for his command post. A place for him was chosen in the very center of the city, two hundred meters from the Royal Castle. On March 7, the bunker was ready. Inside the underground shelter were equipped rooms for the commandant, staff officers, radio operator and various technical rooms. Lyash was sure that Koenigsberg was able to restrain the onslaught of the Soviet troops for months, believing that if the Russians had defended Sevastopol for 250 days, then Koenigsberg would last no less. Almost the entire male population was mobilized for the defense of the city, by order of the commandant, along with regular units of the Wehrmacht. According to Soviet intelligence, by the beginning of April, the Konigsberg garrison numbered about 60 thousand people. However, it quickly became clear that the German group was rather more numerous. In addition, in East Prussia there were many tanks, there were separate battalions of heavy tanks "Tiger", rearmament on the "Royal Tigers" - military vehicles, almost no penetration due to armor.

Go to battle


The task of capturing Koenigsberg was entrusted to the Third Belorussian Front, headed by Marshal Alexander Vasilevsky, who considered the main thing to prepare the troops, not only in the technical, but also in the tactical sense. The idea of ​​Vasilevsky was to cut the forces of the garrison and take possession of Koenigsberg with two powerful blows from the north and south in convergent directions. For this task, four armies with a total number of about 130 thousand people were concentrated on the approaches to the city. But these troops were heavily bloodless by the war. The strongest replenishment went to Berlin, and those who were released from captivity and young soldiers came to Koenigsberg. It was to this disparate mass that it was necessary to give morale, rally and tune only to victory. Vasilevsky had only a month for this. March 22, 1945 the command of the Red Army abandoned 4 groups of saboteurs in Koenigsberg. Soviet intelligence captured more than 30 enemy soldiers and captured part of the combat documentation with the designations of German positions. All city fortifications were photographed from the air in order to understand how the defense system works.

In early April, Soviet artillery launched tons of shells at the Koenigsberg forts. The heaviest guns were delivered under the city walls. Shells broke through the ceiling, smashed armored observation caps. According to the recollections of German soldiers, this shelling undermined the morale of the garrison, which lost faith in the reliability of ancient casemates. On April 6, assault units of the Red Army launched an offensive on Koenigsberg. The Red Army blocked the forts partially destroyed by artillery shelling, suppressing enemy fire with self-propelled guns, flamethrowers and smoke bombs. Going around the forts, the assault groups moved towards the city blocks. But here the offensive stopped - without the support of the aircraft, which was inactive due to bad weather, it was almost impossible to take the German pillboxes on the move. Only in the evening on April 6, during heavy fighting, the Soviet units managed to move forward and cut the railway connecting Koenigsberg with the port of Pillau. To develop the offensive deep into the fortress of the Red Army, it was urgent to crush the Germans' resistance in the remaining forts on the outskirts of the city. Especially difficult was the assault on fort number five. Its walls were not pierced even by 246 kg shells.

On April 6, our assault groups tried to take control of the fort on the move, but ran into fierce resistance. The solution was found by the lieutenant of the 175th sapper battalion Ivan Sidorov. On the night of April 7, taking advantage of the fact that the German garrison took refuge on the lower floors, Sidorov made his way to the walls of the fort. Here he collected two charges from captured mines and blew up the wall. The explosion killed 76 German soldiers. The whole next night the battle was in the casemates of the fort, and only in the morning his garrison - only 143 people - capitulated. The Sidorov Method was also applied to other Koenigsberg forts, as a result of which they began to pass into the hands of the Soviet troops. The fall of the forts facilitated the assault, but did not lead to the surrender of the city, whose inhabitants continued to fight stubbornly.

On April 7, the weather in the Koenigsberg area improved significantly. Shortly after noon, 516 heavy Soviet long-range bombers appeared in the sky above the city. Within 45 minutes, they dropped 550 tons of bombs on different targets. The main attacks were carried out on German reserves and firing points of the second and third line of defense. After the bombing, chaos reigned in the city, the communication of the headquarters with the troops of the garrison was broken. Fire started everywhere, and many stores with ammunition and food were destroyed. Commandant Lyash subsequently recalled: "The destruction in the city was so great that it was impossible not only to move, but even to navigate." By the evening of the same day, units of the Red Army, with the support of heavy tanks, artillery and aircraft, advanced 3-4 kilometers forward, occupying the port, station and many city blocks in the north-west.

Heroes of the Soviet Union


On the night of April 8-9, the remnants of the German forces tried to break out of the center of Koenigsberg towards the Zemland group. However, their attack failed. On the morning of April 9, Soviet troops resumed the assault on the city. Scattered and battle-exhausted groups of German soldiers took refuge in the eastern part of Koenigsberg. On the evening of April 9, parliamentarians were sent to the Soviet command to negotiate surrender. At 22:45 Lyash ordered an immediate ceasefire. The resistance of individual German troops continued throughout the following night, and only in the morning of April 10 was it finally suppressed. On this day, a red flag was understood over the fort "Don" - the last center of resistance of the Nazi troops.

In honor of the grand victory in East Prussia, 760 thousand Red Army men were awarded the medal "For the capture of Koenigsberg." 216 soldiers and officers of the Red Army were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, and 98 military units were called "Königsberg".
After the end of World War II, by the decision of the Potsdam Conference, the northern part of East Prussia, together with Königsberg, was transferred to the jurisdiction of the Soviet Union. July 4, 1946 after the death of the All-Union Warden Mikhail Kalinin, the city received a new name. So ended the story of the Konigsberg fortress, on the site of which today is the westernmost city of Russia - Kaliningrad.

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  1. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 23 March 2020 06: 32
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    My two grandfathers stormed Konigsberg, as a boy my grandfather showed me the place, now it is Vasilevsky Square, where he was wounded, when their mortar crew changed position, a German mine flew in and my grandfather got a heavy early in the thigh, and the second fought on the Andryusha ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 March 2020 07: 25
      0
      Another video telling why the assault on the Koenigsberg forts is on a par with other outstanding Red Army operations to liberate the Motherland.

    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 March 2020 08: 53
      +5
      And mine, on the outskirts, was "touched" ... From the PT guns, "thirty-four" were set on fire, and then they were "added" from mortars. He remained disabled at the age of 19 ...
    3. evgic
      evgic 23 March 2020 13: 26
      +4
      My grandfather received the Order of the Red Banner for Koenigsberg (there was a representation for the hero), the third shell shock, and was written off to the commandant’s office. There he met a victory
    4. restless
      restless 24 March 2020 22: 32
      0
      Andryusha, my dear, my grandfather Gnezdilov Ivan Vasilievich, was a signalman during the assault, but he received the hardest one as a result, as a result they removed almost all the insides, they commissified in 1944 and he lived 82 years, I don’t know why he ate almost nothing, it smells of moonshine 50 grams and eat borsch and lived on the farm as a blacksmith in the village of Assinovskaya and died in 1991, and here on the spot Chechen Mujahideen appeared with weapons, and we have some drafts and junk from the Cossacks with hunting, Russia did not give help and animals went to slaughter those without help, then for a long time Mutalibov slowed down, and now besides the bases there is none of the Orthodox people there, so to shave half the country, who will answer?
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 23 March 2020 06: 42
    +7
    - Yes, there were people nowadays,
    Not that the present tribe:
    Heroes - not you!
    They got a bad share:
    Few came back from the field ...
    If it were not for the Lord's will,

    Glory to the heroes ...
    let it never happen again, NEVER!
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 13: 52
      +6

      Fifth fort. Courtyard.
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 23 March 2020 06: 52
    +4
    These people are from STEEL!
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      These people are from STEEL!

      You can tell a lot about the fighters who took V. Prussia and Koenigsberg. My grandfather, captain, machine-gun company commander, even before the assault on the city in the district of Insterburg (Chernyakhovsk), was surrounded by the retreating Wehrmacht troops. As he said, they practically had no chance. He buried his rewards under a tree in the forest. And then I couldn’t return. Offensive. Only part of the awards could be restored. Those that were received at the beginning of the war could not.
      Here's another story ... Maybe someone will not like it, but I heard it personally from a participant in those events. In 05 - 08 years, I worked at "Ostmark" (brewery), now, unfortunately, has already been liquidated. A driver, a veteran of the Second World War, worked at the plant. My grandfather was about 90, but he was still quite strong. So, he took this brewery. He said that when they burst into the terrain with a platoon, they quickly shot the Germans who were hiding there. And then, they opened the cellars, and there was BEER in barrels. So they grabbed German women from the nearest houses and locked themselves in this basement. For a week they shot back from OWN, until they drank all the beer ... I repeat once again, this story, I heard personally from him. True or not, I don't know. But I tend to believe him.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 23 March 2020 15: 25
        +5
        I'm not sure that in those war conditions, it was possible to "shoot back" from our own people for a week, in an embrace with beer and German women. But I am sure that even if it was, then personally I would not condemn the soldiers who grabbed somewhere there, German women ... With German women, it will not be lost ...
        Somehow my grandfather accidentally (he was drunk) blurted out to me that the army was going hard to the border. “And after the border, when they approached Germany, everyone was torn, just have time to slow down. There was anger. Everyone wanted revenge.” Maybe someone took revenge, I don't know and didn't hear. But I admit, rare cases. different people, different fates ... But I have no moral right to condemn them.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 15: 45
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          I'm not sure that in those conditions of war, it was possible for a week to "shoot back" from their own,

          For what I bought, for what I sell. request
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          But I have no moral right to condemn them.

          So I do not blame. I just told a story.
          They say there was another episode with a tank of alcohol. And the company that died out of stupidity. Ours were eager to Königsberg and there were still many shortcomings in the rear. Yes, and from the "Kurland Cauldron" broke through. As the grandfather said, the area was cleaned up seriously after the capture of Koenig.
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 23 March 2020 15: 52
            +4
            For what I bought, for what I sell "
            I get it ... No questions.
            Anyway, so that our soldiers would not do there, the problem of command. The rest is a man who took up arms and defended my homeland, for me personally - a holy man. This is not even discussed .. And the Germans, let them scream what they want. I do not care!
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 March 2020 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And then, they opened the cellars, and there BEER in barrels. So they grabbed the Germans from the nearest houses and closed in this basement. A week from YOURS was shot back until all the beer was drunk ...

        For this they were shot during the war. My grandfather also took Prussia - the platoon commander of the art support of the B-4 high-power division of the 28th Army. So, before entering Prussia from the army headquarters, the "representative" arrived and spoke from the back of the grandfather "Studebaker" - they say, the human appearance and we will not be like. Many immediately have questions about - and what the bastards will not answer? To which our (according to the grandfather) the political officer pushed him aside and explained more simply - do not count on looting for a penal battalion or a fine, but for a woman or a bullet or Kolyma.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 17: 05
          +4
          I, there above, answered, explained ... I’m not trying to denigrate the memory of our Veterans. request
          This grandfather was like an Icon for a factory. Almost all work experience is on it. On Victory Day, they wore it on their hands. And he had a decent "iconostasis". Order, "Patriotic War", "Red Star" and "Glory" is what I remember. The story is told in an informal setting. And those who live here have heard many different stories. Therefore, to believe or not is your right. I believe.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 23 March 2020 17: 07
            +1
            Well, I believe in my own grandfather more - there were all the rules with discipline. There were a lot of rewards too - I started as a tanker near Moscow ..
  4. Van 16
    Van 16 23 March 2020 07: 34
    +5
    My grandfather, among all other awards, had one of the medals "For the capture of Konigsberg". I just remembered.
  5. jonht
    jonht 23 March 2020 07: 50
    +5
    My grandfather also took Konigsberg on a Katyusha, he never talked about the war, only once in 1985, about how they took the city, the parade on Red Square and the transfer to the Far East, to Monturia. In Konigsberg, pillboxes were burned out with Katyusha fire, leaving for direct fire, into caponiers dug out in advance. There either everything burned out, or oxygen was burned out, after which they waited for it to burn out and move on.
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 23 March 2020 07: 58
    +5
    Mother infantry and sappers, as always, these hard workers did the hardest work ... my great respect for all the soldiers and officers who took this fortress. hi
  7. knn54
    knn54 23 March 2020 09: 23
    +4
    The most impregnable fortress of Europe, the stronghold of the Nazis in the East, was taken in 81 hours.
    Why is it not mentioned that Marshal Vasilevsky, before being appointed commander of the front, was the chief of the General Staff. This indicates the role that Stalin personally committed to the capture of Koenigsberg and the subsequent liberation of all of East Prussia.
    As experience has shown, the composition of the assault detachment consisted of two rifle platoons (50-60 men), reinforced with 45 mm anti-tank guns, two 76 mm regimental artillery guns, one 76 mm divisional guns ZIS-3, one 122 mm howitzer, one - two tanks (or self-propelled artillery), a platoon of machine guns, a platoon of 82 mm battalion mortars, a squad (platoon) of sappers and a squad (platoon) of flamethrowers.
    The assault squad consisted of two parts:
    -attacking groups that had light small arms (machine guns, flamethrowers, grenades, rifles),
    -group supporting the actions of the first, having heavy types of weapons (machine guns, guns, mortars
    The attacking group (s), depending on the object of attack, could be divided into subgroups, each consisting of 4-6 people.
    Unfortunately, this experience was ignored during the storming of Grozny ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 24 March 2020 09: 47
      0
      Unfortunately, this experience was ignored during the storming of Grozny ..

      Not everything is so simple. I don’t say about Grozny, a separate issue.
      But during the war, many cities stormed. And not always successfully. Why Koenigsberg in 4 days, and in Budapest, the fighting went on for a month, in Prague a little less. Why such a difference there is no single answer.
    2. ELEZKIY
      ELEZKIY 25 March 2020 10: 57
      0
      Vasilevsky was put in command of the 3rd Belorussky instead of the deceased Chernyakhovsky. from his own: my grandfather’s brother deserved the glory of 3 hundred. battle in the area of ​​Klein-Melenau, 16 mortar regiment, 33 minbrigade.
  8. Yuriy_999
    Yuriy_999 23 March 2020 09: 49
    +3
    This is a near-war site. What are the jigs
    who burned buildings from the ceiling to the basement
    ?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 23 March 2020 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: Yuri_999
      This is a near-war site. What are the jigs
      who burned buildings from the ceiling to the basement
      ?

      The author had in mind something else - the Anglo-Saxons first strewed with land mines, which tore off the roofs, then incendiary, which burned out the buildings
      1. Yuriy_999
        Yuriy_999 23 March 2020 22: 52
        +1
        the permanent inhabitants of this site know about the technology of creating a "fire storm", but people who have been here recently, or by accident, can carry this "garbage" to the masses. Well, the site is about the military - "they know." Therefore, editors need to be more careful.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 23 March 2020 23: 07
          +2
          So this is not the worst blooper laughing
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 March 2020 10: 09
    -1
    Yes, there was a case ... near Konigsberg ... All the artillery of "special power" was "brought there" ... even during WW1! It is a pity that no one remembered about the "missile torpedoes" that were developed in the Union before the war! And there is one more question that has been "tormenting" me for a long time ... could Soviet units have used captured guided tankettes-landmines in Konigsberg?
    By the way, in the forties, there was a very ramified underground Konigsberg! But, I heard, the Germans managed to open the "cunning" locks and flood the underground city ... And there, by that time, the Germans had managed to place and hide a lot! Until now, they say, most of the old underground city is hidden under water ... (it has not yet been possible to understand the system of locks ...) The Germans, who are "nostalgic" in Konigsberg, say that the historical, tourist, economic potential of the city is being used "Russians" hardly 40% ... Although, here it is necessary to understand! I also read an indignant article by a certain State Duma deputy that at present the city administration began to "emphasize" the German origin of the city; and young people managed to visit Poland, Germany and other "western" Europe many times, but never in central Russia, Moscow ... This creates certain "distortions" (problems) in the education of the young population of the region! The indigenous "Konigsberzhtsy" are also very outraged by the "contingent that has come in large numbers" that was "formed" under the program of "resettlement of compatriots from abroad! This" contingent ", in the opinion of local residents, behaves like savages ... in a boorish way. (I learned this from a conversation with my school friend ... a naval officer who, after graduating from the naval school, served there and stayed for permanent residence ... That is, I want to say that Konigsberg, at the present time, maybe in a sense, a "problem" city! But the ruling regime in Russia, the regime can keep silent about this ... PS At the end of the last century, there was a proposal to name the city Knyazhgrad (Knyazhegrad ... Russian translation of Konigsberg ...)
    Tank missile torpedoes ...
    1. Romey
      Romey 23 March 2020 11: 23
      +3
      As for the savages in more detail, please ... By the way, I'm one of them too. And also as your friend came to study at the Königsberg people at the VVMU. A barbarian in animal skin. Yes, it is we, Kazakhs, Tajiks, Uzbeks and other Asians with greedy slanting eyes, but with Russian and German surnames we were dismantling our houses into bricks, smashing the economic infrastructure, and dragging out land reclamation. This is all our handiwork and we are to blame before them, the indigenous koenigsberg people in everything up to the appearance of the obochechniks on the roads. However, recently a new tribe of barbarians - "Ukrainians" from Donbass, attacked the Konigsberzhets. Those are generally beasts. Citizenship is demanded by such villains ... Atu them all. True, for some reason, Konigsberg residents do not really risk expressing this all in the face, limiting themselves to the Internet. This is really dangerous, because a barbarian whose great-grandfather died, and the other ended up fighting in these places, can drive over them ... And what to take from the barbarian ...
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 13: 48
        +4
        Quote: romey
        This is really dangerous, because a barbarian in whom one great-grandfather died and the other has finished fighting in these places can drop by them ... But what to take from the barbarian ...

        Totally agree with you ! We sat on ..... exactly. They traded in smuggling. Why work, invest? The fence is overwhelmed, the cow in the yard gave a shit - it will go ... They reminded me of the "aul" people. I lived in Polessk from 98 to 00. Seen enough of the locals. Himself, I almost got drunk with them.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 23 March 2020 15: 41
        +1
        Romey, you don’t get very angry. The man put it quite tactfully and without specifying specific names.
        By the way, I also talked with a former graduate of VVMU (it seems to be named after Ushakov, if I’m not mistaken), this is a native of Kaliningrad. HF of his grandfather was stationed in the city immediately after his release. And he told me himself that after the advent of Soviet power, they didn’t do much land reclamation. Many basements in residential buildings were flooded, and so on ... I want to say that if local authorities cannot control the situation in a specific area, then you can’t blame them local residents, regardless of whether they are local or newcomers.
        1. Romey
          Romey 23 March 2020 17: 06
          0
          But it’s already impossible not to be angry. This hype on the Internet began to get. Here take the reclamation. I understand the problems with urban water disposal: complicated schemes, zero documentation, experts on the fingers ... But, damn it, is it really impossible to calculate the optimal depth of plow installation using a banal shovel before plowing the field? What is the result? We put it on half a meter and not only do we turn out the drainage, but turn out all the clay to the surface, after which nothing grows there except nettles and any rubbish. What is this if not wrecking? When you start talking about this, then, having modestly downcast their eyes, the Konigsberg begin to talk about the hardships of the war and how the occupants behaved badly. And the fact that this is already your land, thoughts did not come? Now the following. How many solid, capital, comfortable residential and household buildings were destroyed? Many, very many. Only not by war, but by the Konigsberg themselves. And why? There is a tiled roof. Like everything in this world, it needs repair. You see, the tile was lifted by the wind, or it cracked, then stick the stairs, climb up or replace, the good is what. But do the indigenous Kenigsbergs need it? This is German ... As a result, the roof rots, the house dries and falls. But the Konigsberg must live somewhere, so he migrates to a house with a normal roof. So they wandered like Kazakhs to the Oralmans until the empty houses ended. And when they ended, the state began to relocate the Konigsberg residents into cardboard trash called the Finnish house .... And there is the same story. If only because quite a lot of Konigsberg residents ate themselves in buckets of alcoholic beverages in the whole spectrum ...
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 23 March 2020 18: 58
            +2
            Yes, I agree with you. There is nothing to say. We are accustomed to - "everything around the collective farm. Everything around is mine" The real owners were exterminated along with the "kulaks". Everyone sits and hopes when the government will come and clean his parking lot, from snow. And to take the shovel yourself, sorry, it's none of my business. I arrived, cleaned my parking lot and parked my car. After a while, one crazily began to take my place. A week later, his wheel "punctured". It's even strange .. does not put any more ..)
        2. Rriv
          Rriv 23 March 2020 19: 07
          +1
          after his release

          after TAKING
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 13: 37
      +4
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      This "contingent" behaves, in the opinion of local residents, like savages ... in a boorish way.

      Oh how ... belay Contingent mean? I arrived in the 98th, the Cathedral was without a roof. As during the Second World War, they loaded it with a bomb, and stood there. Something "indigenous Konigberzhtsy" especially did not smell all this time. In the region, people drank themselves into trash. Attitude towards the "heritage": it's German, not a pity. Maybe, your friend told you, how the first settlers plowed the fields, disrupting the entire reclamation system, which caused waterlogging and the loss of half of the arable land. Maybe he told how German graves were dug, hoping to profit?
      Incidentally, I explained to one such "root" ... That, unlike him, I returned to the Historical Homeland. My ancestors, immigrants from V. Prussia, under Catherine moved to Russia.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 23 March 2020 15: 02
        +1
        Have you heard this phrase: "For each creature, one pair ..."? Different people can move to the region! If you have always behaved and behave "decently", then the given negative is not about you! So why, on the run, portray a fire-breathing "mountain snake"? So the "kondraty" can grab! Drink better to calm the "pyramid"! My friend didn’t say that all (!) Visiting "gaty-delegates" ... but, nevertheless, there are enough of them to cause discontent among some (!) Local residents! Perhaps this happened in some part of the territory of the Kaliningrad region, where "not very good elements" were "accidentally" picked up! A comrade told, for example, the following story: outside the city (perhaps this is a "suburb" of Kaliningrad, and not the "regional center" itself ...) there are abandoned German farms ... There are many gardens left in a "natural" state ... The townspeople are used to visit there during the ripening of the crop. In general, nothing "unusual"! But somehow my friend and neighbors noticed how someone cut down fruit trees in order to "conveniently" collect the fruits! They tracked down and found the "dudes" who did it! It turned out that visitors from, it seems, from Central Asia (according to the program of organizing "compatriots from abroad ...)! When they began to deal with them ... to shame them ... they said that they were" on the roll "... that, since this is a "nobody's" - then there is no need to "stand on ceremony" here! Moreover, my friend noticed that the locals never did this, but the "newcomers" were noticed more than once! That is, a reason for dissatisfaction among the "locals" was created! So why .... what a fig here to run into me? Maybe someone should look in the "mirror"?
        1. Romey
          Romey 23 March 2020 16: 00
          +3
          So. 1994 year. Summer. With their last money, my parents bought a farm that was killed in the trash, overgrown with everything around, including fruit trees: apple trees, pears, cherries ... And in broad daylight, the sounds of an ax and a hacksaw are heard in the garden. Of course, we ran out to see who this greyhound is, who manages our private property. Two indigenous Koenigsbergers, male and female, but judging by the exhaust of cheap moonshine with a taste of solvent, there is no doubt that it was physically impossible for barbarians who consumed this drink to get so far in those days, they felled our cherries and collected it in their garbage cans. To the question "What the hell?", Konigsberg residents expressed their surprise with the question "And what is it? There are a lot of cherries for everyone ..." Then they had to use physical violence. They beat me carefully, but hard. And now you are telling tales here, for the barbarians. It's clear, stump, that this couple also remained dissatisfied with the violation of their human rights.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 23 March 2020 17: 38
            +1
            Quote: romey
            fell our cherries and collected it in their garbage cans.

            Well, how is it all to be understood? My friend told me one thing (by the way, they surprised me a little ... my friend also mentioned cherries, as I remember ...) you are the "second", but the same ...! The result, in the end, turns out to be the same (!): There are "barbarians" here and there! It remains to find out: which side is more ... although what difference does it make to me? Of course, "for the state" it is a little offensive ... for the Kaliningrad region ...! But if you root for every mess, then no "pyramidon" will be enough!
        2. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 16: 12
          +5
          Have you heard this phrase: The toad is strangling ... So maybe this is about them, "indigenous Kenigberzhtsev"? And in general, the "indigenous" and even the "Konigsberzhtsy" is just ridiculous. Your friend, in what generation is it indigenous?
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          But somehow my friend and neighbors noticed how someone cut down fruit trees in order to "conveniently" collect the fruits!

          Haha, funny. You and the cedar have not beguiled. We have orchards, mostly apple. It's easier to climb and shake than to chop.
          I am not trying to justify all the settlers from Wed. Asia, but people are different ... But how much damage has been done by the "indigenous", we will never be inflicted ... "Everything has already been stolen, before us."
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          that the locals never did that, but the "newcomers" were noticed more than once!

          I already wrote to you in what the "locals" were noticed. Yes, and comrade Romey, too. The region was raised by us, visitors from Wed. Asia. We brought here money and a desire to live like a human being.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Drink better to calm the "pyramid"!

          I do not need "advisers".
          Incidentally, recently "yours" from the Far East have poured in a stream. They have already "come in large numbers" ... wink
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 23 March 2020 17: 23
            +2
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            I don't need "advisers"

            So I worried about your health! request
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Recently, "yours" from the Far East have poured in a stream. They have already "come in large numbers" ...

            There was a case ... I was considering the "Kaliningrad" option (a friend called ...): but I chose, nevertheless, the Krasnodar Territory ... until I moved ... everything "would" interfere!

            Quote: LiSiCyn
            You and the cedar have not beguiled. We have orchards, mostly apple. It's easier to climb and shake than to chop.

            It was, as I recall, about cherries ... And now giggle ...

            Quote: LiSiCyn
            The area we raised, coming from Wed. Of Asia. We brought here money and a desire to live a human life.

            Well, yes ... only you and "plowed"! From the 45th to the beginning of the 90s, the area lay in the weeds, it was waiting for you! As soon as you appeared, as soon as by the wave of a "magic wand" the cities were built, the fields were plowed up ... "high technologies" poured from Central Asia to Kaliningrad! Where have you been before? And now in Russia jobs are "flooded" with migrants ... and for this to thank Central Asia? But why has this "Central Asia" after the exodus of the Russians still failed to equip its Central Asia? I remember the period when Tajiks, Uzbeks shouted to the Russians: go to Russia ... get out of our land ... we want to live without Russians, without Russia, we don't want to look at your faces ... And now the Russians, (who could, who survived) left ... Russia left ... And it turned out that without the Russians, without Russia, the Asians had nothing to eat! And without a twinge of conscience, they "flooded" to Russia, to the Russians, whose "faces" they did not want to see ...! And so I and many of my compatriots, who also did not want to see ... the "faces" of these Asians on their land, are now forced to "contemplate" constantly Asian "images" that could not, did not want to equip their homeland, and now, how tumor, prevent us from living our own way ...
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 17: 58
              +5
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              It was, as I recall, about cherries ...

              Cherry lifespan ~ 20 years. This is the question of "German" gardens.
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Where have you been before?

              Stupid question. The answer is, you know.
              Have you been here? I live here. From the 98th. Everything is happening before my eyes. All changes. And you will tell me who - what was doing here - building?
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              that after the exodus of the Russians this "Central Asia" has still not been able to equip its Central Asia?

              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              . And then the Russians, (who could, who survived) left ... Russia left ..

              So Russian or Asians, you already decide?
              You know, I could write a lot about the attitude of "local Russians" to this land, but you still won't believe me. For this, I say goodbye ...
            2. Romey
              Romey 23 March 2020 18: 07
              +2
              Hmm ... Nikolaevich. As if it is about Russians. More precisely, the Slavs and Germans. Well, I'm really not quite a Russian, ethnic Cossack. And the rest?
              Or do you really think that we are Kazakhs?
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 18: 35
                +6
                Quote: romey
                Or do you really think that we are Kazakhs?

                laughing To me, one such one, it is true in the Krasnodar Territory, having learned that I, from Kazakhstan, also spoke of similarity ... To me, in whose veins the blood of Russians, Germans, Poles and Zaporozhye Cossacks flows. To my question: Has Kazakhov ever seen him live? I answered no. But I can imagine. lol
                1. Romey
                  Romey 23 March 2020 18: 43
                  +2
                  Something seems to me that we were mistaken for guest workers.
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 24 March 2020 01: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: romey
                    Something seems to me that we were mistaken for guest workers.

                    I did not accept ... in the "conversation" there was an "Asian PARALLEL" and I "walked along it ..."
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 23 March 2020 18: 43
                  +3
                  In the form of Sasha Baron Cohen in the movie Borat laughing
                  1. Romey
                    Romey 23 March 2020 19: 05
                    +2
                    In-in ... To the very point.
                  2. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn 23 March 2020 19: 12
                    +5
                    Albert hi
                    You know, I don’t even look like Borat .... request laughing
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 23 March 2020 19: 22
                      +3
                      Hi! hi
                      Well, I look more like Baron Cohen - and even understand his “Kazakh" without translation laughing
                3. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 24 March 2020 01: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  Has Kazakhs ever seen live? I answered no. But I can imagine.

                  In our area, there are Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Uzbeks among the "visitors" (I don't count the Chinese, North Koreans ...) There are especially many Kyrgyz ... they, in my opinion, "dominate" from "Central Asia". ..
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 24 March 2020 01: 25
                +1
                Quote: romey
                Or do you really think that we are Kazakhs?

                No, I didn't think ... I remember your "introduction", meaning comments from "everyone": "the resettlement program (or whatever is more correct? ...) of compatriots abroad ..."; "Russian surnames" ... that's why I thought: either Russian families from Asia, or "mixed", or "Slavic" appearance (non-Asian ...) And the reason that I started talking about "migrants from Asia"? It's just that the "Asian parallel" somehow emerged arbitrarily and I "walked" along it ... In this "thread" I didn't mean you ...
  10. saygon66
    saygon66 April 16 2020 23: 08
    0
    - Now, things are no better in the region ... The "invited to the kingdom" current administration, squealing with joy, is selling land to joint ventures, which, in pursuit of harvests, poison the local already meager land with chemistry ... Harvest - to Poland .. . "greens" - in your pockets ... Here all the "deeds" of local and "Asians" seem petty hooliganism! The forest, which was artificially planted hundreds of years ago, the farmsteads are pulled apart on bricks for mansions ... The fence forged from the Baltika stadium was stolen by the Varangians ... angry