India has chosen a supplier of new machine guns for its army


India is engaged in the modernization of the arsenal of small arms weapons their armed forces. A supplier has already been found, and this is not Russia. Although between our countries there have always been strong ties in the arms trade.


Recently, the Indian leadership is concerned about the increasing mortality of small arms, which are equipped with units of the ground forces of the country. The implementation of this task requires a difficult military-political situation in the state of Jammu and Kashmir on the border with Pakistan, as well as in those states of India where various rebel groups still operate.

Recently, the Indian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with Israel for the supply of Negev 7,62X51 mm LMG machine guns. Recall that the Negev light machine gun is one of the most famous Israeli-made machine guns. It is an automatic weapon with gas automatic and air-cooled barrel, and is available in two versions - standard and shortened.

Negev NG-7 7,62 × 51 mm was first introduced in 2012. With a barrel length of 508 mm, the LMG can be used in semi-automatic and fully automatic modes, as well as used to launch grenades.

The weight of the weapon is 7,95 kg without a magazine and accessories. The total length of the LMG is 1100 mm and the retracted length is 1030 mm. In semi-automatic mode, the Negev 7,62 × 51 mm fires 600 rounds per minute, while in fully automatic mode the rate of fire reaches 750 rounds. The magazine can be either an assault drum for 100 or 125 rounds, or an ammunition belt.

The machine gun, if necessary, can be equipped with several optical sights, such as a reflex sight with day / night illumination, a multi-purpose reflex sight with two laser pointers (visible and infrared), a weapon sight with a red dot, a magnifying sight x3 with a TAVOR adapter, a day sight with x4 magnification, multifunctional night vision mini-monocular, self-luminous reflector for 40 mm grenade launcher and laser pointer.

Negev machine guns are in service with the armies of a number of states - Israel, Kenya, Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine and India.

Note that in 2018, India has already signed a contract for the purchase of 40949 such machine guns. Then this decision was the first large-scale modernization of the arsenal of small arms of the Indian army in the last twenty years. The main requirement of the Indian command, which was presented to the purchased weapons, was its compatibility with all additional accessories, including optical sights.

Currently, India has decided to purchase an additional number of machine guns. According to the terms of the contract, approved by the country's defense minister Rajnat Singh, India will acquire 16 modern machine guns. As emphasized in the country's military department, the Negev 479x7,62 mm LMG is a battle-tested weapon that is used in several countries around the world.

The Indian military believes that a machine gun will significantly increase mortality during the battle, allowing soldiers to shell a large territory. Accordingly, the combat power of the ground forces units will increase, which will lead to an advantage during clashes with the enemy.

At one time, India considered the possibility of acquiring small arms from the Russian Federation, but then decided to abandon this idea and bought machine guns from Israel. And this is not the first refusal of the Indian side, our traditional partner in the arms trade, to conclude contracts with Russia.
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  1. newcomer 20 March 2020 11: 30 New
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    Dancing ...
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2020 11: 40 New
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      Quote: newbie
      Dancing ...

      The question is not whether they “dance” or not, and not even with what? For example, “tambourine” or “harmonica”!
      The main thing is to understand the reasons for the choice of Indians and not only them!
      Azerbaijan is in the list of machine gun operators!
      So there is a signal, now we need to work on the bugs!
      1. newcomer 20 March 2020 11: 45 New
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        Yes, they can dance with elephants. Our political mistakes. Arms_ is generally a political product of trade. In general, I don’t understand how it is possible to maintain an army with such a venerable arms supply? I’m silent about aviation in general; who will throw them into the fifth generation besides us?
        1. bessmertniy 20 March 2020 11: 52 New
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          It would be interesting to compare the prices of our Israeli machine guns, and for others - it would be interesting to know the prices. Only the technical characteristics do not determine the choice of Indians.
          1. newcomer 20 March 2020 11: 54 New
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            Price_ nothing, kickbacks_ everything. Joke.
            1. Krasnodar 20 March 2020 12: 21 New
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              Quote: newbie
              Price_ nothing, kickbacks_ everything. Joke.

              All right - kickbacks
              1. Alex777 20 March 2020 12: 39 New
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                In the semi-automatic mode, the Negev 7,62 × 51 mm fires 600 rounds per minute, while in the fully automatic mode, the rate of fire reaches 750.

                Did the author print the text without regaining consciousness?
                What is this semi-automatic shooting -10 rounds / sec ??? negative
                The mind is incomprehensible!
                1. ssergey1978 20 March 2020 12: 46 New
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                  Apparently he wanted to write 60 meters
                  1. Alex777 20 March 2020 12: 51 New
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                    Apparently he wanted to write 60 meters

                    Until the text is corrected, we will not know. hi
                    The use of the word "cartridges" instead of "shots" is particularly alarming.
                2. Captain Pushkin 21 March 2020 10: 20 New
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                  Quote: Alex777
                  Did the author print the text without regaining consciousness?

                  An article was written (or translated?) By a person who was illiterate, not connected with weapons, and had no technical education. But he wrote, being conscious. It's just that he has such a consciousness.
            2. novel66 20 March 2020 12: 50 New
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              not sure what a joke ..
          2. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 12: 22 New
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            Rosoboronexport prices are sky-high !!!
            PM was offered at 28 thousand rubles in 2012. And Glock at 32 thousand rubles, so consider where power is novelty and quality!
            A good bullet, and costs no more than RMB.
            1. ssergey1978 20 March 2020 12: 46 New
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              Glock at 32000 is not expensive.
              1. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 21: 15 New
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                And the survivability cycle! ??
                PM - 4 thousand and debited!
                Glock - 40 thousand before the reduction in accuracy! I am silent about the caliber, magazine capacity, barrel length, workmanship, polymers, dovetail, 3 fuses, etc.
                1. Uncle Izya 21 March 2020 10: 23 New
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                  And what do you align with Makarov in 1952 and you shoot at least 4000 thousand and what is the price of the glock?
                  You compare for a start with peers with a booster gsh-18 and so on
                  1. Talgat 148 21 March 2020 15: 49 New
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                    Read the Glock cost above.
                    Your Boa constrictor and GSh-18 are not for sale. Not sold at least.
                    1. Uncle Izya 21 March 2020 18: 23 New
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                      You haven’t shot 40 rounds in 4000 years
                      1. Talgat 148 21 March 2020 20: 06 New
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                        It is you, and others without problems!
                      2. Uncle Izya 21 March 2020 20: 32 New
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                        Only at the shooting range, look at the army for how many trunks?
                      3. Talgat 148 22 March 2020 18: 25 New
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                        Because they don’t shoot. And specialists every day on a hundred rounds!
                      4. Uncle Izya 22 March 2020 20: 36 New
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                        Macar specialists do not choose, but Makar will serve for more than one year
                      5. Talgat 148 22 March 2020 21: 23 New
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                        Makar stupidly exists, and if there was a modern pistol in the army and the police, the lives of the fighters would be saved more.
                        For a long time they got rid of UAZs and gas-66, and Makar still. Thanks to people like you.
                      6. Uncle Izya 23 March 2020 15: 03 New
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                        As far as I’ve already released and gsh-18 and a lot of other things and I’ll tell you a secret with a gun you won’t get a lot of guns and the makar is trouble-free.
                      7. Talgat 148 26 March 2020 03: 21 New
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                        THOSE. you won’t get a lot of guns, and Makar isn’t a gun !? It is simply trouble-free! ???
  • Korax71 20 March 2020 14: 34 New
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    Pkm-o i.e. civilian version of the PCM from 900 sp. hi
    1. Talgat 148 21 March 2020 04: 35 New
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      RMB - is there a civilian option ????
      1. Captain Pushkin 21 March 2020 10: 22 New
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        Quote: Talgat 148
        RMB - is there a civilian option ????

        This is if only a civilian steals RMB from the warehouse ...
      2. Korax71 21 March 2020 11: 09 New
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        It happens hi as well as a chilled version, and mmg. the last of which is about 200-250 tyr.
      3. Uncle Izya 22 March 2020 20: 37 New
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        With Makarov, I shot 2 times well in the hand lies, maybe there was nothing to compare
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    Dog 21 March 2020 00: 13 New
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    Quote: Talgat 148
    and costs no more than RMB

    Call the numbers. And then everyone except the subject of the conversation was "evaluated" in numbers - doubts are laid
    1. Talgat 148 21 March 2020 04: 34 New
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      There are no commercial offers. But I’m also at the arms exhibitions.
  • Paul Siebert 21 March 2020 17: 42 New
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    A good bullet, and costs no more than RMB.

    And why exactly RMB?
    We have another machine.
    RPK - 16:
  • kutuz 20 March 2020 20: 23 New
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    "It is interesting to compare the prices of our Israeli machine guns" - not everything decides the price
  • Captain Pushkin 21 March 2020 10: 14 New
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    Only technical specifications do not determine the choice of Indians.

    To understand the problem, you also need to know the amount of kickbacks for each competitive offer.
  • Vol4ara 20 March 2020 13: 53 New
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    Quote: newbie
    Yes, they can dance with elephants. Our political mistakes. Arms_ is generally a political product of trade. In general, I don’t understand how it is possible to maintain an army with such a venerable arms supply? I’m silent about aviation in general; who will throw them into the fifth generation besides us?

    And who will leave us in the 5th generation?
    1. newcomer 20 March 2020 16: 14 New
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      In the morning, the day before yesterday, we are already there.
  • TermNachTer 20 March 2020 19: 59 New
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    That's when their soldiers, in zinc, start to go home, because of new-fashioned Jewish machine guns, then let them dance.
    1. ROSS_51 20 March 2020 21: 18 New
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      Quote: TermNachTER
      That's when their soldiers, in zinc, start to go home, because of new-fashioned Jewish machine guns, then let them dance.

      Why's that? The world is full of good manufacturers of weapons, in particular machine guns. Some survivability is not inferior to ours. And the workmanship is superior. In addition, I do not remember that Israel would make poor weapons — these guys have been living in war all their lives.
      1. TermNachTer 20 March 2020 22: 11 New
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        Israeli weapons are imprisoned for the conditions of a specific region, very small. India is vast and diverse. What is good for a warm climate may not be very good high in the mountains with a strong minus or in the humid jungle.
        1. indy424 21 March 2020 01: 30 New
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          yes yes, in the cold the Negev will not start
          1. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 11: 07 New
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            But the German soldiers were not at all funny in the winter of 41, near Moscow. Because the gun grease thickened and the weapon did not fire. And in the 93rd US Marines laughed until you drop, when their M - 16 after a dust storm in Iraq, stopped shooting. A "Kalash" shot calmly
            1. borberd 21 March 2020 11: 35 New
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              Now all manufacturers test their weapons at different temperature conditions, in mud, sand, water and swamp. So now far from the 41st and not even the 93rd
              1. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 12: 37 New
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                They test, but not all test results are brought to consumers. Jokes begin later, when this barrel falls into the hands of an ordinary soldier, and not a proving ground.
                1. borberd 21 March 2020 12: 49 New
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                  Well, this device has long been in the Indian army, this is the second order.
                2. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 13: 21 New
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                  In what real battles did you participate, except for parades? Was Siachin on the glacier?
                3. borberd 21 March 2020 14: 18 New
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                  Well, if questions of such a plan have gone, then let's talk about a PC or Pecheneg. What wars did he participate in? I was in the Pamirs, Kilimanjaro, about the poles, too, it’s not clear, again, the Mariana Trench is not lit, was it on the ISS? Well, if you weren’t in all these places, then sucks in your opinion? Are you trying to humiliate other people's weapons? It makes no sense. Hindus do not read, they have their own experts.
                4. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 15: 51 New
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                  RMB was almost everywhere that you listed, except for the Mariana Trench. But there he is unnecessarily, as well as on the ISS. Sucks or not sucks, will show the number of failures and, accordingly, losses.
      2. ROSS_51 22 March 2020 13: 25 New
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        Quote: TermNachTER
        But the German soldiers were not at all funny in the winter of 41, near Moscow. Because the gun grease thickened and the weapon did not fire. And in the 93rd US Marines laughed until you drop, when their M - 16 after a dust storm in Iraq, stopped shooting. A "Kalash" shot calmly

        Are you talking about this notorious story with a captive pilot? Just do not misinterpret the facts. It was not the weapon that was to blame, but the grease. After its removal, the Germans also began to shoot weapons. More about engine warming up, remember the air filters in Iraq.
        As for the M-16 ... imagine, Kalash also needs to be cleaned.
  • ROSS_51 21 March 2020 01: 44 New
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    Quote: TermNachTER
    Israeli weapons are imprisoned for the conditions of a specific region, very small. India is vast and diverse. What is good for a warm climate may not be very good high in the mountains with a strong minus or in the humid jungle.

    Negev machine guns are in service with the armies of a number of states - Israel, Kenya, Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine and India.

    Of course, historically no one in these countries has a single foot in arms. Moreover, India bought the first batch and still wants to. Judging by our tenders, Indians are very meticulous buyers.
    Just remember how ours decided to vaparize the repaired Gorshkov through their ass, like a deeply modernized Vikromaditya. The scandal was notable.
    1. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 11: 02 New
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      Banderland also bought (or maybe gave) a small batch of Jewish rifles. So, the opinion of the soldiers on these trunks is strictly negative. Alas, the specific reasons are not known, but the reviews are purely obscene.
      1. borberd 21 March 2020 12: 56 New
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        And you can reference the obscene opinion. What I read was purely positive, especially since in Israel the majority of infantry combat units have long switched to TAR-21, and the reviews are also positive.
        1. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 13: 20 New
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          This information is not from the Internet. Told the little man from ukroSS. Some of them were armed with "Kalash", but the neighboring one had Jewish trunks. So the reviews of the neighbors were exclusively obscene. I do not know why? Maybe the soldiers have clumsy hands, maybe the Jewish wunderwaffe is not Feng Shui.
          1. ROSS_51 21 March 2020 21: 36 New
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            Quote: TermNachTER
            This information is not from the Internet. Told the little man from ukroSS. Some of them were armed with "Kalash", but the neighboring one had Jewish trunks. So the reviews of the neighbors were exclusively obscene. I do not know why? Maybe the soldiers have clumsy hands, maybe the Jewish wunderwaffe is not Feng Shui.

            Reminded me of one situation during the Second World War. I met the opinion that our soldiers did not like Simonov’s rifle. They considered her capricious and not reliable. But the Germans considered it a great success to get Simonov’s rifle as a trophy.
            And yes, arguments like: "One grandmother said," as it does not inspire.
          2. Alex 22 March 2020 08: 39 New
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            not Simonov, but Tokarev SVT-40. Moody and unreliable if there is no normal care. But it was discontinued primarily due to the high cost in comparison with the rifle 1891/1930.
          3. TermNachTer 22 March 2020 18: 08 New
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            Withdrawn from production, but she successfully fought the whole war. And in the warehouses of long-term storage, it still lies. It is a normal rifle if the handles are not clumsy. I saw her in a sniper performance.
        2. TermNachTer 22 March 2020 18: 06 New
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          The man who told this in balabolism was not seen, he served in the army for many years. This is sorry, not the level of "one woman told at the bazaar."
  • English tarantas 21 March 2020 07: 47 New
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    Israeli weapons are imprisoned for the conditions of a specific region, very small.

    How tired of this mantra is, and then what does PKM work in India? The weapon either shoots or not, weather, landscape, flora and fauna do not affect this.
    1. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 11: 03 New
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      At least they served in the army? Judging by what nonsense you write - I doubt it very much.
      1. English tarantas 21 March 2020 12: 00 New
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        And you? Judging by what you write, even if you served, they didn’t teach you much there, they called in vain. Somehow, the serving OBZhshnik said to me that RPG-7 has a huge return, but what about him, the driver.
        1. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 12: 34 New
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          Actually, I still served in the Soviet Army. And a lot of what they taught me there is still useful. For example - to think
          1. Liam 21 March 2020 12: 43 New
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            Quote: TermNachTER
            Actually, I still served in the Soviet Army. And a lot of what they taught me there is still useful. For example - to think

            During military service, they are not particularly positive about the manifestations of thought processes.I'm the boss you
          2. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 13: 26 New
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            Stupidity is utter. Any commander needs a subordinate who thinks for himself. Otherwise, the whole service of this commander will be to think for yourself and give out valuable instructions. The main initiative of subordinates is directed in the right direction. And as soon as the sergeant departs for 2 km. from the commander - who will think? There were no mobile phones during my service, and there are not many ordinary ones either. Therefore, call every 2 minutes. and it was impossible to specify the tasks. You have to think for yourself.
        2. English tarantas 21 March 2020 16: 19 New
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          And it seems like this ability over time ... Oh well, you are tired of yours: "Israeli weapons are made to the specifics of the area." If you do not know, then the Negev is not far from the PKK by design.
        3. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 17: 09 New
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          So almost all Israeli trunks are “Kalash rehash”, well, with the exception of “Uzi”. Only copies are far from always successful.
        4. really 21 March 2020 21: 20 New
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          Tell me right away, you do not like that you bought non-Russian weapons. The remaining arguments are not important.
        5. TermNachTer 22 March 2020 18: 25 New
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          Yes, I generally deep pluck, I live in Ukraine. So I'm an outside observer.
  • Po-tzan 21 March 2020 22: 42 New
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    I’m silent about aviation in general; who will throw them into the fifth generation besides us?


    And what do we have from the fifth generation in the sense of aviation? request
  • svp67 20 March 2020 11: 49 New
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    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Azerbaijan is in the list of machine gun operators!

    There and Ukraine e ... this is a "signal, a signal to all signals"
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Now we need to work on the bugs!

    I honestly don’t understand how this machine gun is better than our Pecheneg
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2020 11: 51 New
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      I honestly don’t understand how this machine gun is better than our Pecheneg

      Nothing, but chose another!
    2. Aaron Zawi 20 March 2020 12: 16 New
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      Quote: svp67

      There and Ukraine e ... this is a "signal, a signal to all signals"
      I honestly don’t understand how this machine gun is better than our Pecheneg

      "Fort" entered into an agreement on licensed assembly in 2013 under Yanukovych.
      What's better? I do not know. Each has its pros and cons.
    3. Krasnodar 20 March 2020 12: 22 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Azerbaijan is in the list of machine gun operators!

      There and Ukraine e ... this is a "signal, a signal to all signals"
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Now we need to work on the bugs!

      I honestly don’t understand how this machine gun is better than our Pecheneg

      By nothing
      Maybe a little easier
      1. novel66 20 March 2020 12: 52 New
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        body kit can be better, our somehow traditionally hammer on it
        1. Krasnodar 20 March 2020 13: 11 New
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          The body kit - with an adequate price for a machine gun and a competent layout, you can buy on the side and it can be profitable - in the end. They just do not know how to trade.
          How do the Israelis work?
          Nakhalyava is invited by some Kenyans to the course of, say, anti-terror - buildings, hostages, etc. On the line of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The guys are taking a course with Tavors made in Israel. Invite to a demonstration at the end of the Kenyan course. General Staff, they bring him a small batch of Tavors, then when he is not afraid to take a pullback, because the gun is not bad and everything is justified; they already feed a large batch. Invited again to Israel, for .... display of agricultural technology. He takes a delegation from the Ministry of Agriculture, the more like a radish with potatoes in the sand, rollback again through it, the systems are sold fellow Etc.
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            Dog 21 March 2020 00: 24 New
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            systems sold

            This is how they work all over the world, including ours. But not international sellers from the defense industry. Why? But because there are either officials who are imprisoned for taking rather than giving, or representatives of monopolist corporations who are not used to competition.
    4. Skubudu 20 March 2020 13: 42 New
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      Quote: svp67
      I honestly don’t understand how this machine gun is better than our Pecheneg

      At least loose tape
      1. Insurgent 20 March 2020 18: 38 New
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        At least loose tape

        As once "an active PC user (M), I can see that a single tape, with the possibility of recharging it, is probably not a disadvantage, but an advantage.
        But the fact that the Negev has combined power, and is equipped with an additional "assault" barrel, is a plus.
        The asset of the Israeli machine gun, also trims under the "body kit" and ergonomics. I watched several videos with him, and noted for myself a very comfortable grip "by the bipod."
        PC (M) cannot boast of this, even with my not-so-short arms. Yes, and the dangling bipods themselves do not really contribute to this.
        1. Old partisan 21 March 2020 11: 56 New
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          Compare Negev and RMB well, at least incorrectly
          When developed PKM and when when the Jewish machine gun. Well then, at least Pecheneg. He is clearly fresher. and when viewing supplies, I think the kit is not a problem to order.
          1. Insurgent 21 March 2020 15: 42 New
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            Quote: Old Partisan
            When developed PKM and when when the Jewish machine gun. Well then, at least Pecheneg.

            “Pecheneg” ... And what is “Pecheneg”, if not RMB with a barrel cover, and “anti-ball pen”?
            Not a fundamentally new model, but the current modernization.
            1. 2Albert 21 March 2020 20: 57 New
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              Accuracy in Pecheneg is much higher as well as the resource of the trunk, the bipod at the muzzle end added accuracy. "From the belly" of course it is more convenient to shoot holding on to the bipod, which Pecheneg certainly does not allow. But I must say right away that optics make sense precisely on the Pecheneg.
    5. Genry 20 March 2020 16: 34 New
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      I honestly don’t understand how this machine gun is better than our Pecheneg

      Indians simply switch everything to 7,62x51. Assault and sniper rifles, machine guns. A cartridge without a protruding edge works fine everywhere.
      True, a machine gun with a tape is slightly inferior in reliability to a machine gun with a cartridge with a protruding edge, but magazine weapons - without problems.
      1. John22 20 March 2020 19: 42 New
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        And in what is inferior, I wonder?
    6. Private-K 20 March 2020 18: 56 New
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      More compact. Pecheneg, like the entire PC family, has a hefty receiver. On the Negev, 7,62 it is noticeably smaller. And in general, the Negev 7,62 is better controlled in unstable positions for firing - as it seems to me (although this is not important). Still, again, as it seems to me, with the Negev 7.62 it is corny more convenient to manage - more compactness. Also - a great opportunity to install a variety of stray from a different bipod to sighting devices.
      Although, all of the above I have said, does not make Negev7,62 generally better than PKP / PKM / PC.
      But the engineering staff of the Russian Federation should not rest on Grandfather’s laurels, but move their brains and work for the future ...
      By the way, I remind you that the Russian Federation, once, bought the Negev 5,56 batch and the fighters of the same 45th Airborne Special Forces Command used it with pleasure. (Which, in turn, raised another wave of Wishlist 5,56-mm machine gun under the tape in the Russian Federation.)
    7. English tarantas 21 March 2020 07: 46 New
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      Judging by the Negev photo, at least much more compact.
    8. TermNachTer 21 March 2020 11: 04 New
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      As far as is known, the reviews of ukrozoldat about Jewish trunks are purely abusive.
    9. Alex 22 March 2020 09: 52 New
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      I believe that the matter is in the cartridge. The Indians have weapons under 7,62x51, but I have not heard about the presence under 7,62x54R.
  • URAL72 20 March 2020 12: 20 New
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    It’s sad. I think we could offer a more attractive price, plus a license. But something went wrong. Marketing is lame, although there are more than enough “effective managers”.
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  • Boris Chernikov 20 March 2020 23: 29 New
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    the choice is simple, a caliber of 7,62 for 51 they have a machine gun + Negev seems tactful to them + a suitcase of money on time .. Given the size of the Indian army, they will also purchase PKM and PKP soon.
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    Yes, these are not mistakes, this is marketing. Azerbaijan better understands the relationship between the personal well-being of Indian generals and the adoption of one or another machine gun))))
  • Aaron Zawi 20 March 2020 12: 11 New
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    Normal machine gun. Not know-how, but he does his job.
    1. polar fox 20 March 2020 12: 25 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Normal machine gun.

      I read reviews from people watching trophies after 8.8.8, I got delays ... it was with the tapes that there were problems. What was the catch?
      1. Aaron Zawi 20 March 2020 12: 46 New
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        Quote: polar fox
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Normal machine gun.

        I read reviews from people watching trophies after 8.8.8, I got delays ... it was with the tapes that there were problems. What was the catch?

        They had 5.56, but that’s not even the point. Georgians saved on tapes. Bought from someone suitable, but low quality.
        1. knn54 20 March 2020 15: 33 New
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          Aron.
          The tapes and the cartridges seemed to be Turkish.
          But (as I was told) the machine gun had a light and thin barrel. Which literally “whitened” (overheated) after two hundred shots. There were other complaints, but I don’t remember.
          1. Aaron Zawi 20 March 2020 15: 35 New
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            Quote: knn54
            Aron.
            The tapes and the cartridges seemed to be Turkish.
            But (as I was told) the machine gun had a light and thin barrel. Which literally “whitened” (overheated) after two hundred shots. There were other complaints, but I don’t remember.

            Well, I will not argue. We have the Negev in all parts. And no complaints have been received.
      2. 3danimal 22 March 2020 07: 44 New
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        M-249, I quote (a native of the former USSR, serving in the US infantry) "the most problematic small arms of the US Army."
    2. Captain Pushkin 21 March 2020 10: 33 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Normal machine gun. Not know-how, but he does his job.

      Actually, the term know-how means know how.
      I translate your phrase into Russian:
      "A normal machine gun. I don’t know how, but it does its job"
      1. Aaron Zawi 21 March 2020 11: 16 New
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        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Normal machine gun. Not know-how, but he does his job.

        Actually, the term know-how means know how.
        I translate your phrase into Russian:
        "A normal machine gun. I don’t know how, but it does its job"

        laughing good
      2. beeper 21 March 2020 22: 14 New
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        hi Plus to you, dear Captain Pushkin, and from me! smile
        For your refined sense of humor, super-exemplary perfectionism (that is, meticulousness in the "perfection of literary scholarship" coupled with the ability to "look at the root" non-trivially wink ) and flawless logic! good
        With your laconicly honed "linguistic justification", you, in contrast to the general "political and technical discussion - who is into the forest, who is by the fire", smiled at one moment - "skipped" and dispelled my overcast mood! yes
        Thank you sincerely for the inspired Jolly Optimism!
    3. 3danimal 22 March 2020 08: 20 New
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      This machine gunner scolds him https://www.youtube.com/user/atanillinois (difficult care, etc.)
  • kjhg 20 March 2020 11: 32 New
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    India has chosen a strategic path of rapprochement with the United States and its allies. Not noticing it is stupid. But military-technical cooperation with Russia for various reasons still remains, although it is smoothly declining.
    1. maidan.izrailovich 20 March 2020 12: 00 New
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      India has chosen a strategic path of rapprochement with the United States and its allies.

      The strategic path of India is determined in London (this is not strongly advertised). India is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations. Where the British rule. The fact that India was friends with the USSR is a short period of easy disobedience. It is long over. And India returned to the sphere of Anglo-Saxon influence.
      1. military_cat 21 March 2020 06: 49 New
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        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        The strategic path of India is determined in London (this is not strongly advertised).
        That is, when they entered into contracts for the T-50, Vikramaditye with carrier-based aircraft, Bramos - was it all the hand of London? Or "easy disobedience"?
  • svp67 20 March 2020 11: 33 New
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    Another Indian tender was lost ... and this is not surprising. How unfortunate. Why didn’t they like our Pecheneg?
    1. newcomer 20 March 2020 11: 39 New
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      Incomprehensible decisions of the Indians. With us, communications will be completely ruined, then how to get into the next generation of technology.
      1. knn54 20 March 2020 12: 22 New
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        Or maybe there are "mother of pearl buttons" in the kit?
        1. newcomer 20 March 2020 12: 30 New
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          I don’t know, maybe.
      2. 3danimal 22 March 2020 10: 52 New
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        Tender is not communication. Who offers the best conditions / equipment, he wins.
    2. Mitroha 20 March 2020 11: 45 New
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      SVP67
      Well, judging from the article, this time there was no tender. The Indians simply bought additional machine guns from the supplier of the Indian Army’s arms that had already been supplied. Buyers always have to "dance" between different offers in order to achieve the best conditions, and in the case of Indians, it is VERY hypertrophied
      The title of the article
      "The Sultan called me his beloved wife!" laughing
    3. voyaka uh 20 March 2020 11: 47 New
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      The point is a set of sights. Israel sells weapons with a day kit
      and night optics of high quality. This is becoming the norm.
      1. svp67 20 March 2020 11: 51 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        The point is a set of sights. Israel sells weapons with a day kit
        and night optics of high quality. This is becoming the norm.

        Well this is debatable. Not only is our daytime sights no worse, but also a unified bar allows you to use sights of different companies ...
        1. missuris 20 March 2020 13: 49 New
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          as I understand it, IVI sells a machine gun with optics for the same price, and RosOboronExport charges a separate fee for optics. then this is logical.
    4. D16
      D16 20 March 2020 11: 52 New
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      Why didn’t they like our Pecheneg?
      A wound cartridge, which is not in India. 7.62x51 is used. The choice is logical.
      1. newcomer 20 March 2020 12: 02 New
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        Well yes?! What did they fuel and fuel the Soviet / Russian rifleman?
      2. svp67 20 March 2020 12: 04 New
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        Quote: D16
        A wound cartridge, which is not in India. 7.62x51 is used. The choice is logical.

        No, not logical ...

        Indian fighter with SVD, and, therefore, our "welded" cartridge is not a secret for them
        1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 March 2020 12: 48 New
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          Indian SVD under the cartridge 7,62 * 61.
          RAV service for each company has a "Rakov Machine"
          are they somewhere there in beautiful Russia of a brighter future, but in reality, soldiers have to equip manually, spend a lot of time and spoil their fingers.
          1. svp67 20 March 2020 12: 54 New
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            Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
            Indian SVD under the cartridge 7,62 * 61.

            Can I have a look at this cartridge? No you're wrong, SVD Sun India uses our 7,62 for 54 rounds
            Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
            there are them somewhere in the beautiful Russia of a brighter future, but in reality, the soldiers have to equip manually, spend a lot of time and spoil their fingers.

            For bad commanders, yes, for those who "counted as a raven" in the school, and who studied military affairs in the present and know that such a machine does not exist ...
            1. mmaxx 21 March 2020 13: 03 New
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              One especially did not meet smart commanders. On the contrary, they didn’t give any equipment to anyone, so they didn’t break it. Shovel and bare hands are our everything.
      3. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 12: 25 New
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        In addition, the tapes equipped from the factory go like that and are stored in boxes, and we are in hand-to-hand .... zinc open, put the tape in the box, put everything rattles ...
        In the Negev, by the way, boxes and polymer material, and 5.45 you can use a regular store from a piece of rifle.
        1. svp67 20 March 2020 12: 33 New
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          Quote: Talgat 148
          and we’re in hand-to-hand .... zinc open, put the tape in the box put everything rattles ...

          Actually, there is such a device in the RAV service for each company

          The "Rakov Machine" is called.
          Quote: Talgat 148
          In addition, the tapes equipped from the factory go and are stored in boxes

          In the "cut" so "cut" ... interesting, but if when stored on cartridges or tape rust or bruises are detected, the whole "box" is sent back to the manufacturer?
          1. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 21: 09 New
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            Rakov’s machine is part of the spare parts armor, I don’t know in infantry. But if you like it, carry the machine with you!
          2. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 21: 10 New
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            Their cartridges in the tapes do not lie for a long time.
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            In addition, Rakov’s car is mounted on a drawer or table. Find this furniture in the field, mountains, desert and take water with you instead of water!
            1. svp67 21 March 2020 04: 06 New
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              Quote: Talgat 148
              In addition, Rakov’s car is mounted on a drawer or table.

              And in what way is it transported? Is it in a box? And where do the zinc with the cartridges come from? Well, if you have never used it before, then at least turn on your imagination, how and where to install it at the point of battle
              1. Talgat 148 21 March 2020 04: 28 New
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                He pulled up already, I used it in a tank school, I'm talking about light infantry (Special Forces, reconnaissance), and I have never seen a motorized rifle, it's all manual. Carry no sense, heavy and voluminous.
                ... ammunition point ....))))))
                1. svp67 21 March 2020 07: 42 New
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                  Quote: Talgat 148
                  I used it in a tank school,

                  And I "talked" with the troops and trained fighters
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                    I’ve taken to the mountains !? Or the fighter carried !? Or he could take water or BK with rations.
              2. mmaxx 21 March 2020 13: 18 New
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                A soldier drags like a horse. Another machine to drag on yourself. In the box. Our army boxes, it feels like they came up on purpose to carry it extremely close to impossibility. That’s clear. They were designed by civilians. With the expectation that the army is modern. Square - carry. You throw in the car and drive. But the bosses do not care how to carry. All the same, not to them.
                What the hell ammunition point? Where? At the shooting range as much as you like. Where in the field? Dali zinc: on, drag. This is not a commander’s business to take care of any nonsense. Nobody will ask for tapes being stuffed with hands. And for beds, boots, etc. they will ask. For a lost machine in general in a 10-fold size.
          4. indy424 21 March 2020 11: 31 New
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            if the whole tape, yes. and so take out the crumpled cartridge and fasten the tape back. the usual procedure before the company inspection, check the tapes
        2. mmaxx 21 March 2020 13: 08 New
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          Well, Duc, in the 50s !! years raised the question of loose tape, direct feed cartridge, etc. Generals said firmly: "NO." We must steadfastly overcome.
          And now we are offended that the Indians do not need our machine gun. What the hell is he? To buy cartridges in Russia? Or put a plant for the production of our cartridge, now unique to the whole world? There are not many of them for SVD. And for a machine gun you need a lot.
    5. Boris Chernikov 20 March 2020 23: 31 New
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      most likely, they didn’t bring the suitcase .. nothing, as a result, the Indians began to buy the same AK-203, and it will be machine guns
    6. Pavel57 21 March 2020 08: 11 New
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      It was necessary Pecheneg chambered for 7.62 x 51 to do for the Indians.
  • evgic 20 March 2020 11: 35 New
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    Indian Ministry of Defense enters into contract with Israel for the supply of Negev 7,62X51 mm LMG machine guns
    And these people say that they are close to hypersound. We can’t make a machine gun, and a hypersonic missile is easy. Yeah
    1. svp67 20 March 2020 11: 53 New
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      Quote: evgic
      We can’t make a machine gun, and a hypersonic missile is easy. Yeah

      Who told you this, about the machine gun ... Pecheneg, RPK-16 are excellent machine guns tested on the battlefield
      1. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 12: 26 New
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        Pecheneg problem!
        RPK-16 unknown handbrake ...
      2. evgic 20 March 2020 12: 32 New
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        EEE since when Pecheneg and PK, PKK Indian machine guns. Here we are talking about India.
        1. svp67 20 March 2020 12: 43 New
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          Quote: evgic
          EEE since when Pecheneg and PK, PKK Indian machine guns.

          EEE, and you from India?
          Quote: evgic
          . We can’t make a machine gun

          Are you talking about India?
          1. evgic 20 March 2020 13: 00 New
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            Well yes. It was sarcasm if someone did not understand)))
      3. missuris 20 March 2020 13: 52 New
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        Eugene wrote about Indians, Indians wrote that they are close to hypersound and choose with whom to do it, with Japan or with Russia
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        Who told you this, about the machine gun ... Pecheneg, RPK-16 are excellent machine guns tested on the battlefield
        Actually, Eugene said that it was the Indians who were not able to create their own machine gun.
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          Quote: 72jora72
          Actually, Eugene said that it was the Indians who were not able to create their own machine gun.

          Actually, he was asked a clarifying question
          Quote: svp67
          Are you talking about India?
  • uhu189 20 March 2020 11: 36 New
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    The "traditional partner" does not choose partnership based on tradition, but out of its interests, and India cannot be blamed for this, this is normal ...
    1. bessmertniy 20 March 2020 11: 54 New
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      However, it is a pity that India ignored our machine guns. recourse We tried for them, tried, we can say, with a note ... we picked them up, and they draw us figs. repeat
      1. Talgat 148 20 March 2020 12: 26 New
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        They made the right choice!
    2. Boris Chernikov 20 March 2020 23: 32 New
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      Well then, you need to sell something to the Pakistanis .. the same Indians .. only in profile
      1. Talgat 148 21 March 2020 04: 29 New
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        All your essence!
        Armenians free, Azerbaijanis for money, let them fight.
        1. Boris Chernikov 21 March 2020 19: 49 New
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          1) Armenians also buy weapons within the framework of their military budget, Baku corny has a larger budget due to oil and therefore buys more. 2) Armenia receives free deliveries as it is a military ally of Russia - Azerbaijan is not a military ally of Russia
          1. Talgat 148 22 March 2020 04: 17 New
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            This is not the point, the point is that they kill each other with the help of you.
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              They kill each other with the help of themselves.
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                But you add Kerasin to the fire!
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              if we don’t sell, we will sell others, and there’s a way to influence the situation, to prevent the conflict from growing, so by
  • Tuzik 20 March 2020 11: 41 New
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    that is, they switch to NATO cartridges
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 March 2020 11: 54 New
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      They did not leave them anywhere, however, they are not going to refuse from 7,62 * 39.
    2. D16
      D16 20 March 2020 11: 58 New
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      that is, they switch to NATO cartridges

      They use 7,62x51 a long time ago.
  • Pavel57 20 March 2020 11: 52 New
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    Pakistan must be offered what India does not take.
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 March 2020 11: 59 New
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      Pakistan is close friends with China.
      At the same time, despite certain difficulties, Russia still has good relations with India, which should be protected.
      1. maidan.izrailovich 20 March 2020 12: 05 New
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        Pakistan is close friends with China.

        Yes it is. But you still need to sell.
      2. Boris Chernikov 20 March 2020 23: 32 New
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        to save, you need to show that they can be lost ..
    2. My doctor 20 March 2020 21: 59 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Pakistan must be offered what India does not take.

      More precisely. It is necessary for Pakistan to give what India does not buy.
  • Sergej1972 20 March 2020 12: 05 New
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    If my memory serves me right, the USSR, and then the Russian Federation, have never been the leading suppliers of small arms for India.
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 March 2020 12: 16 New
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      In the Indian Army there are (or were) AK-47, AKM, SVD, “cliffs” and licensed production of AK-203 is still in progress. Otherwise, almost everything has their own (as far as creatively rethought, not the most successful copies of AK can be called theirs).
      1. Sergej1972 20 March 2020 12: 31 New
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        Back in Soviet times, I read in the Foreign Military Review that India purchased a significant part of small arms in the UK, as well as in several other European countries, or produced under their license with subsequent Indian modernization.
      2. Real Vugluskr 20 March 2020 16: 06 New
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        M - Multi Caliber
  • Alexfly 20 March 2020 12: 07 New
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    It's all about the cartridge, the .308 is better than the 54R, anyway ....
    1. missuris 20 March 2020 13: 55 New
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      but actually what? which of the .308 is better which of the 54R? gunpowder is better? barrel speed higher? is ballistics better? armor-piercing core stronger? bullet energy higher?
      1. Alexfly 21 March 2020 12: 36 New
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        the characteristics of the cartridges are similar, but the .308 is more convenient to use, for example, in stores, there is no flange, and the taper is less, it is easier to equip ... Armor piercing does not interest me, it is not important for hunting.
  • Warrior MorePhoto 20 March 2020 12: 16 New
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    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Quote: newbie
    Dancing ...

    The question is not whether they “dance” or not, and not even with what? For example, “tambourine” or “harmonica”!
    The main thing is to understand the reasons for the choice of Indians and not only them!
    Azerbaijan is in the list of machine gun operators!
    So there is a signal, now we need to work on the bugs!


    Light (the lightest machine gun), a quick change of the barrel with bipods and the installation of a short barrel, we get an assault machine gun. Small return. I am silent about the picatini bar.
    If ours modernized Pecheneg, taking into account what the Negev has, it’s real + a barrel for silent shooting ... well, if only, if only ...
    1. Boris Chernikov 20 March 2020 23: 34 New
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      and PKM aware that the Negev is the easiest?
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        and PKM aware that the Negev is the easiest?

        in which place?
        although, if this is irony, then I take my question back
        1. Boris Chernikov 21 March 2020 19: 50 New
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          RMB without accessories 100 gr will be easier
  • Operator 20 March 2020 12: 27 New
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    Google translate - carcasses of light laughing
  • Prisoner 20 March 2020 13: 08 New
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    “Chigan adiyaly”, which is translated into Russian as “gypsy blanket”. This means a blanket made of multi-colored, multi-woven shreds. The Indians have the same canoe with weapons and equipment. Pret of them gypsy, oh and rushing. winked They also cannot forgive us that we began to normalize relations with Pakistan. winked
  • Put__NIK 20 March 2020 13: 25 New
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    No one noticed that India has long grown from Mowgli into a huge military state in terms of size and power, almost at the level of China!
    It is necessary to look at the time and how now it will end only God knows.
    1. Boris Chernikov 20 March 2020 23: 36 New
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      they still have to walk and walk to China.
  • Ax Matt 20 March 2020 15: 45 New
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    Walking the streets, studying at our universities ... smiling. Good ones. And then bam! And they suck on mattress covers. They do what they are told ... In the United States, the Indian diaspora is numerous and unlawful ... The pressure levers are long. Monkey decoys ...
  • Oleg Olkha 20 March 2020 17: 25 New
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    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/defence-ministry-signs-contract-for-16479-light-machine-guns-for-frontline-troops-with-israel-weapons-industries/articleshow/74716149.cms Пишут, кроме прочего, что рассматривалась Болгария (Arsenal) и Ю.Корея (S&T Motiv) 16.479 шт. на 118 млн. долларов... "Это вооружение закупается по ускоренной процедуре (FTP) обеспечивающей закупки для срочных оперативных потребностей регулярных и специальных сил. Она применяется в тех случаях, когда произошла непредвиденная задержка, которая отрицательно сказывается на боеспособности войск."
  • Ivanushka 20 March 2020 17: 40 New
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    In fact, the Kalashnikov assault rifle is not, in the full sense, an automaton. It is rather an automatic with an increased barrel length.
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    Unfortunately, we have no alternative to the PC! I have no doubt that the Kalashnikov machine gun is a wonderful "machine", but it is one ("Pecheneg", this is the same PC just advanced, albeit very well advanced)!
    There is a theme called “Turner” - a double-powered machine gun from the Degtyarev factory! Why don't they give it a go ?! If not to the Russian Army, then at least offer for export ?!
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      Quote: senima56
      There is the same topic "Turner" - a machine gun with dual power

      Quote: senima56
      Why not "give a go"

      And to whom is he on. do you need?
      1. senima56 21 March 2020 22: 07 New
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        This is an SSJ-100 to anyone, how do you say "do not need ...."! And we always knew how to make machine guns! They will buy! Believe me, they will also be in the queue. Just do not need to "clamp down" the initiative, give freedom to weapons designers. That's because the sniper rifles were "released", see how many excellent samples there are right away: Lobaev, Chukavin ... The same thing is with machine guns.
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          Lobaev, Chukavin ...

          Oh do not tell ...
  • frolov andrey 20 March 2020 18: 29 New
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    Total from article:
    1. Our machine guns can not provide the required level of mortality!
    2. Our machine guns do not have the necessary tools to use the range of accessories!
    Now it’s not clear at all: there are no proposals on how to make our machine guns better than Israeli ones; there are no designers.
    Or maybe Israeli weapons have no analogues ?!
  • vit670 20 March 2020 18: 52 New
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    Another Indian tender was lost ... and this is not surprising. How unfortunate. Why didn’t they like our Pecheneg?

    What is incomprehensible here? Choose the best! And don’t need to tie a policy here ...
  • jura-19 20 March 2020 19: 10 New
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    Soviet weapons are outdated for a long time and under Putin, apart from cartoons, nothing is created
  • John22 20 March 2020 20: 05 New
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    The article says about the additional purchase of Negev machine guns chambered for 7,62x51 mm. An additional batch of machine guns to the existing ones. If India already uses this cartridge - why does it need our machine guns under another cartridge? If RMB had an option for the same cartridge, then options would be possible! But PKM has only tape power, and the Negev also has storefront food. And apparently it is simpler in design, with the ensuing consequences for reliability. Plus also a single fire. Russia has long needed to take a bezrantny cartridge, which would simplify machine guns for universal nutrition. The cartridge of 7,62x54 mm is inconvenient for shops. Such an opinion.
    1. mmaxx 21 March 2020 13: 27 New
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      It is uncomfortable for the tape. Convenient for a three-line. But a bezrantovy in the three-ruler would be no worse.
  • Arhip smith 20 March 2020 21: 05 New
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    The conclusion suggests itself, whoever attacks India, their enemy cartridges / shots will always be suitable as trophy ones. :)
    Ps And the world is better than the world!
  • Puper driver 20 March 2020 21: 40 New
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    Hindus have been placing eggs in different baskets for a long time. And they’re doing it right.
  • Protos 20 March 2020 22: 03 New
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    Not a licensed copy of RMB hi
  • Pushkar 20 March 2020 22: 36 New
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    India is a member of the British Commonwealth and their head of state is the Queen of England.
  • mmaxx 21 March 2020 04: 26 New
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    It just doesn’t make any sense to contact our machine gun cartridge. In the 30s, in a good way, it was necessary to change him.
    1. mmaxx 21 March 2020 13: 23 New
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      Wow. Minus came in!
      For some reason, everyone, anyone richer than us. And they were able to change the cartridge to normal. Only we cry that it is expensive. For a long time already everything would be done. If something needs to be done, it is better early.
  • storm 21 March 2020 08: 43 New
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    Buy Russia’s AK 200 series and not buy Pecheneg - some kind of stupidity
    1. mmaxx 21 March 2020 12: 55 New
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      No connection. The cartridges are different.
  • akribos 21 March 2020 09: 16 New
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    Negev, by the way, was created with an eye on the PC. A completely excellent, reliable weapon, as well as a PC.
  • smart fellow 21 March 2020 11: 43 New
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    In Russia, there are simply no analogues in prom. production. The original AK-12 was replaced with a fake from AK-74.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhgA74Fq7Dk
    1. Alexfly 21 March 2020 17: 18 New
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      Sat, looked at the link, sadly ...
  • Sibguest 21 March 2020 20: 10 New
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    "..... Israel, Kenya, Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine and India ....."
    The first are developers / manufacturers, it would be strange if they used someone else's weapons.
    The latter are customers who are known for their desire to get for free not only a modern product, but also the technology of its production (not a single manufacturer in their right mind will put their MOST MODERN developments on the counter).
    And between the first and last set of countries, which are not at all an indicator of the level of defense and the level of equipment of troops.
    So ... let Zita and Gita continue to create a “vinaigrette” in their troops - a flag in their hands and a machine gun on their necks.
  • garik77 21 March 2020 20: 50 New
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    I wonder how the Indians are going to serve their entire range of weapons? A bunch of different brands from different manufacturers with different calibers.
  • shoroh 22 March 2020 09: 49 New
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    Why do we need to sell our weapons right and left? The task of weapons is to protect our homeland in the first place. Our weapons should not be budget revenues, because they are politically unstable goods. They want to buy from us, well, please. No, well, do not care, the main thing is that our army should be fully armed with modern standards.