The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17

In the Netherlands, the trial in the case of the downed Boeing of the Malaysian Airlines airline continues. The plane was shot down in July 2014 in the sky over the Donbass. The prosecution is inclined to argue that the perpetrators of the attack on MH17 are three Russian citizens and one Ukrainian citizen.

Jerry Skinner, a lawyer for the relatives of the victims, made a statement to the press during the ongoing trial. Skinner, representing the interests of 40 families, said that the name of the Russian president should be heard in the trial.

Skinner:

We filed a lawsuit in case MH17 with the European Court of Human Rights against Russia and against Vladimir Putin. Probably, in this process we will hear the names of officials close to the Russian president and the name of Mr. Putin himself. I don’t think we can learn a lot. But still so powerful weapon, as an anti-aircraft missile system, could not leave Russia without sanction at the highest level. This all happened, as we believe, since Mr. Putin gave such a sanction.

Thus, while the Kremlin is discussing the so-called “nullification” of the presidential term, bringing it under the amendment of the Constitution, the name of President Putin sounds different in the Netherlands. The prosecution and the attorneys of the families of the victims are trying to use every opportunity to transfer the case to the level of almost the state with the next multi-billion dollar lawsuits.

Recall that the Dutch investigation, based on records on social networks and compiled negotiations of the Donbass militia, for almost six years tried to bring all this under accusations against Russia. At the same time, there are still no answers to the most important questions, including the question of why Ukrainian dispatchers took the airliner over the epicenter of hostilities.

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[Vladimir_2U]

It's strange, there is nothing against Chekukha-Poroshenko that would be much more logical, although where are the "Hamburg prostitutes" and where is the logic? And the GDP, however, is quite popular in the West, for all PeAR, except for the obituary. ))

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But GDP, however, is quite popular in the West, because everything is PeAR, except for the obituary. )))

Important notice! The main thing is to understand it: “PeAR”, “PR” or “Public Relations”, and also to clarify: “necrologist” or “necrologist”?
In the West, they are judged by the principle: Ukraine, even if it is to blame, will not pay - there is no money. And Russia is already accustomed to paying the costs of Western lawyers - let's hang the case on it.
Fuck them in turnips on the most "Netherlands."

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ROSS 42

Fuck them in turnips on the most "Netherlands."

Absolutely yes!

[Tatyana]

The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17

The trial in Brussels is not just organizing a judicial farce without guilt over Russia and trying to arrange a "trial" over Putin, but it is trying to hide the participation of the United States with the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in their attempt to assassinate Putin during his return from abroad to Russia. Namely.

Malaysian Boeing brought down Ukraine from Washington’s filing. And the United States needs to evade responsibility for this crime, blaming itself on Russia not involved in the tragedy.

Moreover, it was not just a provocation of Ukraine / USA against Russia, but it was Washington’s attempt on Ukraine’s Presidential Airport 1, at which Putin was supposed to fly from abroad when he returned to Russia.
Ukrainians simply identified as airliners. The sizes on the radars of the Malaysian and the Russian presidential airliner are the same, the colors of the airliners are also similar. The Presidential Russian airliner only has 4 engines, while the Malaysian one has only 2. The Ukrainian pilot Voloshin reported this error when he became close to the Malaysian Boeing.
See details on video from 5:00 minutes

ATTEMPT ON PUTIN: Kiev wanted to kill Putin, but shot down MH17.
Posted: 4 June 2019

[Tatyana]

It is a pity that the video and sound recordings that were immediately published on the Internet after the crash of the Malaysian Boeing, now the Internet does not show - does not find.
And so I remember well the recording of a conversation between Kolomoisky and a Ukrainian official about the shooting of a Malaysian Boeing.
In an intercepted conversation, Kolomoisky was told that the plane was not at all the one they were counting on.

It is noteworthy that in the conversation on the part of Kolomoisky himself there was a restrained laconic attitude to this message, while the one reporting to him about the error that had occurred spoke with a tongue twister and a timidly guilty excited voice. The sound recording also informed who the voice belonged to. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the name of this person - since it has long been.
Moreover, from the conversation it was clear that Kolomoisky was aware of the upcoming operation, but apparently he did not really agree with its implementation, but someone still insisted.

[Victor Kuzmenko]

Tatyana, I also remember well how Kolomoisky for several days (maybe a week or a little more) of those events, the correspondent, in the characteristic imposing form of the lord of the rings, promised that soon everything would go according to a completely different scenario.
What confused and guarded me then?
Some personalities demonstrated in every possible way that the Buk, captured from the Armed Forces, was dragged around in broad daylight through the settlements and it seemed to be in the frame everywhere by chance. I thought: - who are these people, why are they so obsessively caught in the frame with this installation? Indeed, in those days, the militia was taken away from the Armed Forces by thousands of various kinds of military equipment and ammunition, but this was not exhibited in this way, was not shown in the media. So I thought - apparently it's not for nothing that the elephant is being taken to the show. If in the first act of the play a gun hangs on the wall, then in the next one it must certainly shoot. It shot.
What else is haunting?
The states instantly declared the culprit and said that they have one hundred percent evidence and evidence. The investigation, however, has been studying social networks for six years, the court also said it would take a year, two or five more years, six.
This is outrageous! Do you have "XNUMX% proof"? !!! What are six more years there ?!
All this is a performance. The infamous performance ... in the same row as they creaked, white helmets, meldonium, relatives, Berezovsky, Litvinenko, etc.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Tatiana

The sizes on the radars of the Malaysian and the Russian presidential airliner are the same, the colors of the airliners are also similar.

You will probably be surprised, but on the radars the color of the aircraft is not visible. The display is just a bright dot near which data for this board is displayed. Yes, and the route of the Russian side No. 1 ran far away from Ukraine, which was at war at that time. So your assumption is just silly fantasies. By the way, following the inversion trail left at altitude by an airplane, you can immediately determine the number of engines in the airplane without even really seeing the airplane itself, and even fly up to the airplane walking along the air corridor, under the control of the controllers, for its visual identification, it’s real nonsense. It would be nice if the plane went without radio communications, with the state recognition system turned off, at the wrong time and in an unauthorized place, and even without the knowledge of the dispatchers, then the plane rises to take action against the intruder. And then they led the board almost across the whole country, and did not know whose board they were leading? Oh fly fly, and suddenly it’s Putin flying over us ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Fitter65

And the route of the Russian side No. 1 ran much aside from Ukraine, which was fighting at that time. So your guess is just stupid fantasies.

Well, then watch the video from 8:40 min.!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tatiana

Well, then watch the video from 8:40 min.!

Tatyana, in order to at least approximately understand what board flight No. 1 is, I’ll say that he, as a civilian Boeing, does not fly alone. There, escort of fighters is such that Buk would not survive for half a minute if he irradiated the target. And by the way, it is this escort that is responsible, among other things, for taking missiles fired along the presidential side to the side, and in emergency cases to expose their fighters to attack.

[Tatyana]

Quote: NEXUS

Atyana, in order to at least approximately understand what board flight No. 1 is, I’ll say that he, as a civilian Boeing, does not fly alone.

Thank you Andrey! I have taken this information from you with the Russian board number 1, but this is not all clear! The question then arises. Namely, has it always been that way, or not always? In all countries or not in all?

Well, for example, a counter question. And why was it different with the Polish government board No. 1, which crashed near Smolensk in the Russian Federation with high-ranking passengers and the Katynsky couple in 2010?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tatiana

even Kayounskih

Read - The Fourth Kaornskih

[Fitter65]

Quote: Tatiana

And why with the Polish government board No. 1, which crashed near Smolensk in the Russian Federation with high-ranking passengers and the Katynsky couple headed in 2010, it was different

I mean otherwise? Why didn’t he fall under the Buk, but cut down the wing of the Birch? Well, because I didn’t follow the dispatcher’s instructions to leave for the alternate aerodrome, since the main airfield was closed by fog, but the pilots received instructions to land on this strip, and it was proved on the basis of a record from decrypted recorders (the so-called spies, which are mandatory they write all the conversations taking place in the cockpit), and so it was proved that there was an outsider in the cockpit who gave clear instructions about landing on this particular airfield, and not on the emergency one.

Quote: Tatiana

Well, then watch the video from 8:40 min.!

I even had the first 15 seconds to understand that this was bullshit. You would be interested, you would just take it and look at the archives for the flight time and the route which board No. 1 then flew

Quote: NEXUS

I’ll say that he, like a civilian Boeing, doesn’t fly alone. There’s escort of fighters,

Above the territory of a foreign state, accompanied by fighters ?. You just look at the chronicle of arrivals of flights No. 1 to different countries. The landing and escort of Flight No. 1 by fighters never flashed anywhere, arrival in Syria, where flight number 1 was shown, flights over the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea, to Kaliningrad and back is a completely different song. Again, if flight number 1 were accompanied by fighters, would it really not be visible on the radar screen? And not every fighter without refueling in the air will be able to accompany flight number 1. And for this we need an airborne missile defense (IL-78 in our case), again, how do you imagine refueling fighters in the air, somewhere over Hungary or Switzerland when flying, for example, to France or the UK? Board safety is primarily ensured by completely different means. And this nonsense that confused Putin’s board with MN-17- and this is really nonsense, you just don’t need to give evidence, at least for those who are at least a little connected with aviation and flight organization, and thank God I once served in aviation nearly 32 years ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Fitter65

Board safety is primarily ensured by completely different means.

Then, by what means, Alexander, is the security of Government Board No. 1 of the Russian Federation ensured if this is not an absolutely absolute secret? Moreover, you claim that

nonsense that confused Putin’s board with MN-17- and this is really nonsense, you just don’t need to give evidence, at least for those who are at least not a lot involved in aviation and flight operations, and thank God I once served in aviation without small 32 years old ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Tatiana

Then by what means is the safety of Government Board No. 1 of the Russian Federation ensured if this is not an absolutely absolute secret?

Well, firstly, by international treaties, this is the first, by drawing up a safe route, these are two, well, three, as an example of the Boeing VC-25 Air Force One

... Electronics on board connects 383 km of wires, which is two times more than the usual 747th. All wires are shielded to protect against electromagnetic pulse in the event of a nuclear attack. Aircraft also have electronic countermeasures to interfere with enemy radars, means to interfere with missiles with infrared homing, anti-radar reflectors to counter homing missiles ...

Or do you think that board No. 1 is an ordinary airliner with the inscription RUSSIA and the presidential standard on the keel, with a gym and a luxury lounge? ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: Fitter65

Or do you think that board No. 1 is an ordinary airliner with the inscription RUSSIA and the presidential standard on the keel, with a gym and a luxury lounge? ..

No, of course, I don’t think so!
I'm just not an expert in this field. And besides, this technical field of knowledge in its professional field of activity is still more purely male than female.

And therefore, it is interesting for me from a specialist in this field and in this field of activity to know the essence of a technical problem and its capabilities, which is or may be superimposed on political insinuations to process the public worldview

Thank you for this clarification.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Fitter65

Above the territory of a foreign state, accompanied by fighters ?.

If the flight number 1 or flight number 2 flies over the territory of another state, then by default, a group of fighters of the protection of the state over which the given data flies fly into the air. This procedure is such ... because if, God forbid, say Board No. 1 is shot down on the territory of that state where this board flew, this is tantamount to a direct declaration of war with all the consequences.

[Tatyana]

Thank you Andrey! Now it is clear!

[Fitter65]

Quote: NEXUS

If the flight number 1 or flight number 2 flies over the territory of another state, then by default, a group of fighters of the protection of the state over which the given data flies fly into the air. This procedure is such ... because if, God forbid, say Board No. 1 is shot down on the territory of that state where this board flew, this is tantamount to a direct declaration of war with all the consequences.

It is interesting, but who and how can bring down board No. 1 over the territory of a foreign state in whose sky it flies? Sometimes yes, when approaching the airport of arrival of board No. 1, planes rise, such as an honorary escort, but nothing more. How many times, during my service, over the territory of the then KDVO, and then the BBO, various Boards No. 1 flew over, and the fighters for the meeting were not understood, all the forces and equipment on duty were alerted, the sides were tracked but kept by their civilian controllers. I will say more than that, when I served in the SGV, then Gorbachev flew to Poland, and ours also did not take off, just like the Poles, by the way. And again, returning to the delirium that MH17 was confused with Putin’s board, then it turns out, in your understanding, that the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin took off to escort Russian board No. 1 so that, God forbid, no one shot him down, but when he flew up to Boeing, he saw that it wasn’t that board reported to the dispatchers (after all, they didn’t sleep overboard almost across the whole country), the dispatcher was told where it was necessary that this was not Russian board No. 1, it would be possible to shoot a war with Russia .. .

[NEXUS]

Quote: Fitter65

Sometimes yes, when approaching the airport of arrival of board No. 1, planes rise, such as an honorary escort, but nothing more.

This honorary escort, as you called it, is lifted into the air not for show and not to show the type of respect, but first of all for SURVEILLANCE OF BOARD No. 1 and its protection. Agree, it would be strange if, say, our BORT No. 1 flew to the United States under the cover (escort) of Russian fighters, which have everything on their wings as an adult.
That is, the owner of the house to which the president of another state flies by default ensures his safety is guaranteed.
And the fact that you were not personally lifted into the air to accompany important sides, so I'm sorry, that means someone was more experienced and happier than you.
Naturally, I'm talking about normal countries, and not such misunderstandings as Ukraine.

[Fitter65]

Quote: NEXUS

That is, the owner of the house to which the president of another state flies by default ensures his safety is guaranteed.
And the fact that you were not personally lifted into the air to accompany important sides, so I'm sorry, that means someone was more experienced and happier than you.

The safety of the flight of side No. 1 is ensured by completely different measures. For example, all aircraft in the air along the flight route landed on the nearest airfields, others were diverted to a safe distance from the corridor along which the board would have to fly. Well, but if I personally were lifted into the air to accompany important aircraft, I would be very surprised. I, as the "Duty officer for communications and RTO flights", provided the ODKP (operational duty command post) with information about the air situation, information about all aircraft that were in the air was sent to the ODKP, and not only from us, the entire air situation was reflected on the tablet In addition to the fact that the duty link was brought to readiness, the air defense was also brought to readiness, they had their own information displayed to their own UDKP, information was also exchanged on board with civil dispatchers ... There was enough tension without additional irritants ... Even "neighbors" across the river tried not to flicker in the air once again ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Fitter65

And again, returning to the delirium that MH17 was confused with Putin’s board, then it turns out, in your understanding, that the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin took off to escort Russian board No. 1 so that, God forbid, no one shot him down, but when he flew up to Boeing, he saw that it wasn’t that board reported to the dispatchers (after all, they didn’t sleep overboard almost across the whole country), the dispatcher was told where it was necessary that this was not Russian board No. 1, it would be possible to shoot a war with Russia .. .

I agree with you, Alexander! This analytical note is very interesting for you. Namely.

It turns out that even if you crack, even die, but the "devilish" LOGICITY in Ukraine's actions on the downed Malaysian Boeing MH-17 is still present in this case!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Tatiana

It turns out that even if you crack, even die, but the "devilish" LOGICITY in the actions of Ukraine on the downed Malaysian Boeing MH-17 is still present in this case

Why illogic? Everything is logical, Ukraine is no longer the first civilian board to knock without consequences, and I'm afraid that it is not the last, God forbid, of course ...

[Victor Kuzmenko]

"Why Polish ..."
Different weight categories. There is such a joke about the elusive Joe.
The Poles themselves smeared themselves on the planet. There is a whole chain of violations of the flight manual of the type and landing procedures. Their own side (flying first) warned that there was no visibility, fog. That the Russian board went to the spare. These same ones perched to the ground. The barometric altimeter for the second was not set correctly, besides, the altitude was measured on the glide path using the radio altimeter (!!!). We went above the glide path and therefore exceeded the vertical, the aircraft had an increased landing speed. We did not execute the dispatcher command "Polish, horizon". There were strangers in the cockpit.
Now they are talking about the explosion on board and that our (Russian) soldiers were finishing off the machine guns that remained alive ....
What is this called?

[Rzzz]

Tatyana, let's give another video, yours have already been fixed.

[Tatyana]

Quote: rzzz

Tatyana, let's give another video, yours have already been fixed.

Well, here you are, for example, also this video, which I remember well from those years, I found on the Internet.
If the first - the previous - video was a collection of information with the hypothesis introduced by the author of the video itself, then this video is a living testimony of the witness himself, recorded on tape.
Listen to the witness and evaluate everything yourself!

MH17. Key witness. Published: May 14, 2016

[Tatyana]

The note that posted this video is for this kind of containment.

MH17 Listen to this witness. Compare with the video of the radio communications of the pilot who accompanied the MH17 at an altitude of 7000 m, and his last phrase that he sees the "little one" below. So that's it. Accompanied by Su27, and the little one below is Su24.

[Tatyana]

Quote: rzzz

Tatyana, let's give another video, yours have already been fixed.

And here is another version of a journalistic investigation of the time, from which it follows that there was an INTERNAL explosion on board the Malaysian airliner MN-17, but they are silent about this version now. Meanwhile, the arguments in favor of this version are also very serious.

MH17. Just the facts. Yuri Antipov. Posted Mar 4 2016 year

[Tatyana]

It should be noted that in favor of the version of the shooting of the Malaysian Boeing from the "Buk" there is evidence that the so-called. Investigative Veshchdok N 9D1318869032 at the basis of the accusation by the Netherlands of Russia of the death of MH17 is FALSE a pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian biased investigation in the Netherlands, not only by the number of the Soviet missile, which was in fact in the bins of the Armed Forces, but also by the appearance of the allegedly used missile itself. Namely.

The top two photos show the "investigation" in the Netherlands of a missile allegedly fired from a Buk, as evidence N 9D1318869032 of its shelling of a Malaysian Boeing.

However, experts say that a thin-walled (4-6 mm) steel cylinder simply can’t look like this after the explosion of 70 kg warhead (warhead) 2-3 meters away and 3-8 meters near the cockpit of the liner of the ill-fated MH17 flight .
The action of the front of the shock wave of the explosion with part of the striking elements (PE), together with the torn elements of the destroyed structure of the rocket itself, would have turned not only into a "colander" - they would have torn this green thin-walled tube to shreds.
And even if some large fragment had been preserved, he would also plop out from there, from a height of 11 km on the ground.

In other words. The tail part of the Buk missile, no matter who launched it, the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Marsiyan, Russians, should approximately look like in the bottom photo. (See photo 3)

См. подробнее - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5d12b3f37dc1f900b030f9e4/vescdok-n-9d1318869032-falshivka-v-osnove-obvineniia-rossii-v-gibeli-mh17-5dee43a1ba281e00b292d2b7?utm_source=serp

[mitroha]

There is a typo in the title of the article, rightly not “in the Netherlands they said,” but in the Netherlands they lit a cigarette. ”Then everything falls into place

[Sova]

And not only did they smoke, but also the lawyer of the relatives of the victims Jerry Skinner, to bother with the plump one and hope that Putin will change his traditional values ​​and punish the bad boy for his announcements. Do not wait for Mr. Skinner.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: ROSS 42

Fuck them in turnips on the most "Netherlands."

Shells in shells in the left ear, in the right ear the Titanic pipe.

[Sova]

The logic in your statement is fundamentally there.

[ccsr]

Quote: ROSS 42

. And Russia is already accustomed to paying the costs of Western lawyers - let's hang the case on it.

So we do not recognize the jurisdiction of this court, especially what human rights can be discussed if this crime occurred during the hostilities in the territory not controlled by Russia. Here is what he writes

Member of the Forum Standing Committee of the Free Russia Forum, ex-lawyer Mark Feigin, who has several high-profile cases behind him, agrees that such processes have been going on for quite some time, and that Russia does not recognize the court’s decision.

Based on this, Russia took a reasonable position:

In Russia, at the official level, they have not yet responded to the prosecution of the Netherlands by the suspect in the case of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 airliner flight MH17 over the occupied territory of Donbass in the summer of 2014. Experts believe that Moscow at this stage is trying not to give unnecessary informational reasons to cover this topic.

I think we should not bother much with this process, especially since the whole thing is sewn with white thread.

[Yashka Arteleiist]

Yoshkin drin, give Dutch cheeses

[Prisoner]

And what to take from Ukraine? These bastards want to put Russia on money. Relatives and their lawyers do not care about politics. The main thing for them is to do their business on the dead.

[atalef]

[quote = Prisoner] And what to take from Ukraine? These bastards want to put Russia on money. Relatives and their lawyers do not care about politics. The main thing for them is to do their business on the dead. [Quote]
Pretty strange comment.
Without any connection with Ukraine, this is the question, and in the case of victims, let's say in an accident, due to the fault of a drunk driver - are relatives with lawyers doing the same business on the dead?

[Egoza]

Quote: atalef

Without any connection with Ukraine, this is the question, and in the case of victims, let's say in an accident, due to the fault of a drunk driver - are relatives with lawyers doing the same business on the dead?

Well, who else .... "If you were hit by a car, then you will pay for the repair of the car" - such an innovation

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

Well, who else .... "If you were hit by a car, then you will pay for the repair of the car" - such an innovation

Already in Europe I am not surprised at anything, if already a cucumber should grow no more than 8 centimeters, then the rest can be ignored. Three of the most popular sayings from each country are written on the wall in the building of the European Council. One was like "Silence is gold, and the word is silver." The Council decided that "a word cannot be silver," the saying was removed.

[Prisoner]

Of course. When they try to blame the owner of an expensive sports car, standing next to him, realizing that you can’t take much from a drunk drunk on a rotten Cossack. So nothing strange.

[Rusj]

Well Putin! And what is not Stalin or Peter1. It’s too small for the gay people to fantasize. How ridiculous in their Russophobia are these wretched. Nerds what to say.

[Deck]

Well Putin! And what is not Stalin or Peter1

Do you offer him to go to the society of these worthy personalities as soon as possible? There is also Mahatma Gandhi, who will talk with

[Russobel]

Of course it’s funny if it weren’t so sad ...
You can laugh as much as you want on the show-offs, but they slowly and not to no avail drive the pegs into the heads of the geyropets.
We should already have to answer if they attack.

[Andrey VOV]

Stoned judges, the same lawyers, leisurely and yawning repeat the same mantra, tired ... by golly

[Sayan]

Here about the amendment about zeroing was mentioned, and about the amendment canceling the supremacy of international law is more appropriate in this regard, why not a word, funny

[bessmertniy]

The case should sound the name of the Ukrainian President, who did not close the skies for civil aviation flights over the area where the fighting was conducted. This is the main reason for what happened.

[aszzz888]

bessmertniy (Victor) Today, 06: 52
+2
The case should sound the name of the Ukrainian President, who did not close the skies for civil aviation flights over the area where the fighting was conducted. This is the main reason for what happened.

Victor, ! The question of "closing the sky" in unnecessary WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT ALL. At least that's what the hemp-dweller said in the media (see Holland).

[bessmertniy]

And what after that is their Human Rights Court in The Hague, which is simply a fiction to protect them! As well as this particular trial in the case of the downed Boeing, which they are building according to their templates.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In the case, the name of the Ukrainian President should sound, ... the funny thing is that the Dutch do not know what Ukraine is because there cannot be presidents there, their logic is simple, Russia is the legal successor to the USSR, therefore everything that happens in the womb of the former USSR is to blame for Russia, Now the population of the territory of U 404 really poked his nose into the dung indicating where their place

[orionvitt]

Closing the skies for civilian planes is not quite the president’s business. There are international flight regulations. We hear a lot of gibberish from Holland, but there is no answer to the most important question. Where is the dispatcher? Here is the most important witness who (I) strangely disappeared (a), the day after the incident. The question is, where does Russia in general and Putin in particular. If in the west people have cereal in their heads, then you do not need to make the whole world idiots.

[Mytholog]

A day after the disaster, liberal newspapers came out with headlines like "Putin shot down a plane" ...
Not "may", but guaranteed to appear. All their mummers' booth was collected for this very purpose.

[Fedorov]

It smells of senility, just like a spring exacerbation. Especially Dutch. Che Guevara would have been attributed to the case of Mao Dzedong, too, the hoopoes are over.

[Pavel73]

This is not insanity. This is war.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fedorov

Che Guevara would have been attributed to the case of Mao Dzedong, too, the hoopoes are over.

Well, if it was not Hitler who unleashed WWII with them, but the USSR, then they will "pin" both Mao and Peter the Great here to Putin. But Gorbachev and Yeltsin will not dare.

[Klingon]

and what else could you expect from stoned addicts ??
soon they will have the Kraken crawl into the conference room and draw with him Buk and GDP and Cthulhu knows whom else

[Grits]

No matter how great our President is, unfortunately, he cannot give an indication of the movements and actions of Ukrainian Buk and other powerful air defense systems of Ukraine.

[revnagan]

Quote: Gritsa

he cannot give an indication of the movement and actions of Ukrainian Buk and other powerful air defense systems of Ukraine

Ukraine, no, but we are talking about air defense systems of Russia .

[Grits]

Quote: revnagan

we are talking about air defense systems of Russia

What do they have to do with it?

[revnagan]

Quote: Gritsa

What do they have to do with it?

Probably not in vain you chose a camel in a helmet as your avatar. Did you read the article? It is about the fact that the Russian "Buk" was wound back and forth across the border. And most likely not without the knowledge of the "darkest".

[aszzz888]

The prosecution and the attorneys of the families of the deceased are trying to use every opportunity to transfer the case to the level of almost the state with the next multi-billion dollar lawsuits.

And there is. This court)) is more important than the political component. And the felling of grandmas already from the STATE. But judges will weed the grass on a par with everyone, and at the state level. What demand can be repaired from the stoned?

[Honest Citizen]

Nevertheless, it's time to forbid marijuana in Holland ...
At least for judges, lawyers and prosecutors

[aszzz888]

Honest Citizen (Sergey) Today, 07: 05 NEW
+1
Nevertheless, it's time to forbid marijuana in Holland ...
At least for judges, lawyers and prosecutors

But how can they then administer justice)) ?!

[Honest Citizen]

Those. Do you think that on a sober and clear head there they will grab their heads with screams: "But how did you get to this?"

[aszzz888]

Honest Citizen (Sergey) Today, 07: 26
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Those. Do you think that on a sober and clear head there they will grab their heads with screams: "But how did you get to this?" wassat laughing

They will not grab, and they will never have "sober and clear" heads. ALWAYS stoned (but because the state allows).

[Strashila]

"Recall that the Dutch investigation, based on records in social networks," the network has already sounded that the site in this case was already three days before the disaster. This, as with the Korean Boeing, the plane was still flying, but protests have already begun with its death.
"Everything was clear. The house was doomed. It could not help but burn down. And, indeed, at twelve o'clock in the morning it burst into flames, set on fire from six ends at once." And this plane, he was assigned "casus belli" against Russia, if If it were as the buffoons from the Dutch court say, NATO soldiers would already be on the border with Russia. But the fact that the Ukrainians were thrown in this matter suggests that they poorly organized the provocation and no one in the West wants to be held responsible, but having yelled once they have to play the "show" further, otherwise they themselves will go to court.

[Pathos]

Now, if it had fallen on the territory of the Russian Federation, then NATO and the United States would have stood near the borders with the Russian Federation, but it didn’t work out. Something went wrong, and dances with a tambourine, they have been beating the gong for 6 years and howling at the moon, the country is burning under your feet, you have to do something to imitate frantic activity, because the relatives of the victims are also pressing, but again, accidental Russia throws firewood to them slowly even Malaysia found radar data and a rocket, began to slowly yap and conduct its investigation, they can only be pulled by ears, and if it had fallen on the territory of the Russian Federation it would have been declared evil empire in 15m So they marked 4 boobies and found a mythical beech. There are suggestions that the Russian Federation has more than one ace up its sleeve in this matter.
In fact, the entire mega-movement with this liner of pure water is a provocation to bring in NATO troops and establish their bases, only now in the Kharkov region. missile defense system does not make sense since You can get not sickly in the back from Donetsk. Those. the plan failed. If Donetsk and Lugansk surrender, a US missile defense appears and this reduces the flight time of missiles, reduces the time for identifying targets and the time for deciding on destruction and retaliatory strike. Something like this
Sorry for the people flying this liner, unfortunately they will not be returned, and dancing with a tambourine will continue, sadly forever.

[don-1500]

World has gone mad. They are really sick. Well, how can that be? It’s like serious adults who sit there in the courtroom and bear this very seriously ....

[IL-64]

Permission to fly a liner over a combat zone creates the prerequisites for the possibility of its downing, but is not related to the fact of the downing. If only someone does not seriously consider that a multi-pathway has been prepared (which then completely distilled its target, and we are in shit). Unfortunately, the facts of posts in social networks about the downing of the aircraft, then deleted, were not explained. But you could say - They shot MANPADS at the transporter. We decided that they shot down. Then they sorted it out.
And now all this is attracted to one heap.

[rocket757]

They can, they can bring a particularly strong "bamboo" to the meeting of the court !!! There is someone to take care of.

[7,62x54]

Kremlin as sellers of Oriflame. They climb into Europe, intrusively want to prove that they are also members of the European family. They are at the door, they are at the window.
It has long been necessary to understand that Russia has its own history, its own development. From the window to Europe there is only a draft and dirt. Anyone sneezing outside the window is Russia's new accusation.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

also members of the European family. They are at the door, they are at the window ...... dare, offset. But the right must be persistent in these matters, the USSR only in recent years began to bend its back and crawl on its knees. and so remember Korea. Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, Hungary. Well and Afghanistan, all the trepachas went to the farm, they did everything, just like with the Korean Boeing at 83m, he had nothing to do there and EVERYTHING. and no one climbed the window. they themselves came to us in the tsarlah at the petition, and schyas .... scream. Thumped Th something and all catastrophe

[Nadsor]

Well, how can it be without Putin, all this harassment of Russia is directed at him ... Politically it doesn’t work, now they want it economically .. Oil has fallen in price and will fall! Hold on Russia mother ..!

[oracul]

Insolence, coupled with a lie, is immense, but with frequent use it makes people who use it stupid. Actually what was happening in a similar vein was expected. There is no evidence in court, and even more so about Putin, but why not rinse the name of the President. After all, it fits into the demonic image of Russia and its leader, who hysterically paints the West, a collective artist of globalism.

[Chingachguk]

Cheerful on all head !!!! For a week, replace Putin with Zhirinovsky, and this whole gop company, headed by judges, lawyers and witnesses, would already be sitting in a dock in Moscow in the dock for insulting the president and for openly lying in the case !!!!

[Rusj]

I look at life
through the bottom of the glass.
Vodka is evil!
Or maybe not evil?
It’s hard in a village without a gun.
And with a gun - it’s also hard.

[stels_07]

And why not start such a trial in Russia, where the names of the CIA director, Anb or Poroshenko could come up ..

[Den717]

The prosecution and the attorneys of the families of the deceased are trying to use every opportunity to transfer the case to the level of almost the state with the next multi-billion dollar lawsuits.

Is this an attempt to implement the "Libyan" scenario? I think it will be very difficult for them. Russia is not Libya. Blackmail won't work here.

[cniza]

At the same time, there are still no answers to the most important questions, including the question of why Ukrainian dispatchers took the airliner over the epicenter of hostilities.

There are many questions, but nobody wants to ask them, and dispatchers are already in another world ...

[tihonmarine]

But still such a powerful weapon as an anti-aircraft missile system could not leave Russia without authorization at the highest level.

Strange, but while weapons in such colossal quantities left Russia, and until now, the entire Armed Forces is armed with them. Such nonsense, even with a big hangover, you can’t imagine.

[revnagan]

Quote: tihonmarine

and so far, the entire Armed Forces of Ukraine is armed with it.

..and also all the security forces of LDNR .

[tihonmarine]

Quote: revnagan

. as well as all the security forces of LDNR

And they Lao PDR, also in colossal amounts?

[revnagan]

Quote: tihonmarine

And they Lao PDR, also in colossal amounts?

Of course, yes, because they need to somehow compensate for the colossal quantitative superiority of the Armed Forces. Well, since, as you know, there are no Russian troops, then only a colossal amount of supplies from the Russian Federation. on this piece of territory? But it never ends.

[Retvizan 8]

Yes, are you still not up to date?
Dutch investigators have found iron evidence of the involvement of our president in the destruction of the "Malaysian Boeing"!
In Odnoklassniki we found a correspondence between Putin and Lavrov, where he writes in plain text: “It got boring, ordered to shoot down a civilian plane.”
))))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Retvizan 8

In Odnoklassniki we found a correspondence between Putin and Lavrov, where he writes in plain text: “It got boring, ordered to shoot down a civilian plane.”

Thank God, at least a piece of the fence was not provided where these words were written.

[revnagan]

"At the same time, there are still no answers to the most important questions, including the question of why Ukrainian dispatchers took the airliner over the epicenter of hostilities." (Cit.)
In Ukraine, anyone came into power in 2014, but not fools. They quickly drew conclusions from the death of a transport worker with paratroopers near Lugansk. And they specially put Malaysia's airliner under attack from pro-Russian forces. Now the Dutch court has a difficult task - how to denigrate Russia while hooking Ukraine, which is guilty no less, and possibly more, since the passengers were framed deliberately.

[EXPrompt]

Why maybe the last name Putin should appear, and no nails !!!
The secret agent M007 personally heard how Putin commanded the calculation of beech for government communications, in a salvo, and saw how Putin’s shadow stood next to the launcher)))
And note, all with a binge.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: EXPrompt

Why can the surname Putin appear should, and no nails!

These courts are just fictions. Here they imprisoned director Walenstein in the states for 23 years without evidence of rape, based on the words "allegedly a victim." And than the court in the Netherlands is better.

[Strashila]

"During the trial of the Boeing MH17 shot down in Donbass, the Dutch prosecutor Dedi Voi-A-Tsoi told about the testimony of a witness who stated the presence of Russian soldiers and FSB officers near the Buk anti-aircraft complex," The Stawell Times-News reports.
According to the prosecution, a witness confessed that he had seen Russian servicemen who were present near the Buk. He also allegedly heard from his companions about the presence of people from the FSB at the time of the disaster. The prosecutor also said that Russian military intelligence may have hacked into the Australian federal police in order to spread fake data. "
draws attention to "confessed that he saw Russian servicemen" that under torture, the witnesses do not confess, they testify. and this one probably swore by his mother a tooth so that they would believe him, they obviously did not believe him, so he added, "He also allegedly heard from his companions about the presence of people from the FSB",
Yes, there were still the guardsmen of Tsar Ivan, and SMERSHovtsy comrade Stalin.

[sleeve]

And hasn’t it sounded yet? I thought they would start from this.

[1536]

It is only clear that a citizen of Russia, even while on the territory of the Russian Federation, is absolutely not protected from the arbitrariness of foreign courts, special services and other fascist associations of Europe and their henchmen in other parts of the world. We lived, as they say, hugging and fraternizing with this bastard. A citizen of Russia can at any time be accused of anything and anyone, from a baby to the Patriarch. And how long will this last? At least the Baltic "embassies" were kicked out of Moscow and the American ambassador was ousted so that he would not feel like a master in Moscow.

[bukhach]

Relatives of the victims can be understood, people have lost their loved ones, but to bring the tragedy to an absurdity, blaming everyone who is not lazy, is also impossible.

[sanik2020]

Everyone knows that there are BUK air defense systems in both Russia and Ukraine. First you need to prove whose one was there and whose shot it was?
And we can all argue.

[mordor]

So it has already been proven, the pictures and videos from the Internet, even though they were made in a photo shop, otherwise the video where the GDP itself was pulled by a beech strap, which is not proof. And, which is also not proof where the beech was transported on the platform, it is true to the other side, but it was transported, and for them, what difference does it make they do not orient themselves to the cardinal points, especially after another tightening.

[Forest]

For good, Western rulers do not understand.

[Griol]

Whoever doubts, this 3,14 door will do everything to blame Russia for the bloody provocation committed by Poroshenko and Obama .. The so-called "court", together with the fag prosecutor's office, becomes an accomplice in the crime, excluding real criminals.

[Operator]

The European Court of Human Rights operates under the Council of Europe - an absolutely parasitic organ that does not decide anything, but at the same time constantly adopts Russophobic resolutions.

The Russian Federation, by mistake, which is part of the Council of Europe, serves there as a whipping boy and a cash cow.

[primala]

The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17
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Clowns)) (I did not find other words).

[123456789]

The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17

And the Netherlands "may disappear" from the political map of the world, and do not say that you feel sorry for the people! Each nation is worthy of its power! And the court is one of the branches of government. Therefore, it is the people who are responsible for the crimes of the authorities. Including the deprivation of the future. Unfortunately, history is not a teacher, but a warden!
IMHO

[Gennady Fomkin]

In June 2019, the GSS stated that it had identified four individuals suspected of involvement in the incident. Among them are three Russians - Igor Girkin, also known under the pseudonym Strelkov, Sergey Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov. The fourth suspect is a citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko. The trial of them should begin on March 9, 2020. After all the investigations into Yugoslavia, I want to send all those prosecutors to God's court.

[mordor]

We filed a lawsuit in case MH17 with the European Court of Human Rights against Russia and against Vladimir Putin. In how there was no trial, the perpetrators have not been identified, and the lawsuit has already been filed, what is coronavirus, highly likes it yes.

[flicker]

while the Kremlin is discussing the so-called “nullification” of the presidential term, bringing it under the amendment of the Constitution, in the Netherlands, the name of President Putin sounds for a different reason.

How the world community has become excited against Putin, it simply does not see the point in the life of another.
They want to accuse him of bringing down a Boeing, arrogance and cynicism are simply beyond. Not a single Russian leader was subjected to such an obstruction from the West as Putin. Just some sort of bullying. I think the case will turn up and these tricky ... drunk and arrogant creatures will answer.
But it’s in the West, with these halls, everything is clear, but when in their own country different grant-eaters begin to replicate Western manuals, and corrupt media distribute them, and the most exalted audience begins to howl at sites, then this is too much.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

But Putin does not allow quiet life not for our oppositionists, not for the West, what will you do without Putin?

[Anatoly Bartenev]

And the Netherlands may disappear from the map of Europe ... all of a sudden.

[pavelpavel]

As soon as the process began, in addition to the hiding Ukrainian criminals, the list of innocent convicts by the Hague court of justice was not published, there was no daily run over.

[Jambal Green]

Perhaps we are talking about a transcript of a telephone conversation between Obama and Putin in which Vladimir Vladimirovich directly told Obama that he knew the whole cunning plan to introduce NATO forces to the Russian border to help the Ukrainian Armed Forces grouping dying in the Southern Cauldron, so he asks not to aggravate the US blame for the deaths of passengers among them (according to Poroshenko) 80 children and curtail the paid media company. Apparently, he also said that his people would follow the work of private detective Josef Resch, hired by "unknown" customers.

[Yuri Mikhailovsky]

This is not a court. This is the gang of bandits who committed a crime and sweeping tracks ...

[Tolik_74]

Let's call this country Galandia, and oh how they do not like this name. #galland #

[Jambal Green]

Joseph Resh SACTS keeps a secret about customers and executors of the destruction of MN-17. He received his fee, and all the investigation materials and material evidence were taken by the police and since there were traces of explosives there, no one will ever see this evidence again. The world community only had an inventory of these material evidence published on the website of anonymous information trading, where they were laid out for a modest amount of ฿ 35000. 1. The original audio recording from the CDF, on magnetic media, in the form of a coil with magnetic wire, a radio exchange of a combat control officer (OBU) with a pilot of a military aircraft, who was near the Boeing 777 at the time of the crash. (7min. 41 sec. The carrier is a magnetic carrier, in the form of a coil with magnetic wire. Original).
2. Video recording from the cabin of the SAM-BUK made by a mobile phone. (15 min.) The carrier is the mobile telephone itself with video recording. (Original).
3. Data of electronic interception of telephone conversations of employees of foreign special services - 6 pcs. (The carrier is a flash drive. Original).
4. The protocol in the form of a video recording, a source of information and material evidence. (The carrier is a tablet computer with a video protocol. Original).
5. Video recording of an informal meeting with a source of information. (The carrier is a tablet computer with a video recording of the meeting. Original.)
6. Explosion-technical examination of fragments of a liner that received mechanical action on six sheets. (Original.)
7. Video recording, in the form of a laboratory assistant's data, collecting materials for explosive technical examination. (The carrier is a mobile telephone with video recording of the laboratory’s video protocol. Original).
8. Protocol inspection of the area of ​​the fall of the side of the MH17 for the presence / absence of damaging elements, debris. (The carriers are: a mobile telephone with video recording of a video protocol of the testimony of the person who inspected, as well as a paper document, with personal data and personal signature of the person who inspected. Originals.)
9. Independent technical expertise of audio / video materials and media themselves for authenticity, as well as integrity and absence of signs of editing. (The examinations were carried out by the "Group-IB" company and provided on paper. Original.)
10. Expert opinion of air defense specialists, video recordings of the SAM-BUK. (Provided on paper. Original)
11. Expert opinion of the specialists of the Air Force, audio recordings of SOK-KDP. (Provided on paper. Original)
12. Expert opinion on the situation of the SAM-BUK, military aircraft SU-XX and SU-XX, MH- and their trajectories. (Provided in hard copy. Original) 14. Copy of the criminal case (Ukrainian) to one of the sources of information. Materials of the criminal activity of this source. (Provided on a flash drive in the form of photographs taken by the camera from the original materials of the criminal case, indicating the numbers of the criminal case, data of the victims, data of the accused, data of the investigators, photos and other materials. Copy from the original.)
15. Screenshots of the electronic correspondence of the source of information with one of the agents of the special services. (Provided personally by the source of information on a flash drive with confirmation of their authenticity to him personally on two video recordings. Original.)
16. Operational information and other operational materials of the SBU in relation to employees of foreign special services. (Provided on a flash drive. Confirmed on video records of the source of information. Copy.)
17. Certificate in relation to an employee of the SBU related to events related to the Boeing 777 airliner and material evidence, facts and information provided for this crime. (Provided on a flash drive. Video source records confirmed. Copy.)
18. Photographs of extracts from hotels where foreign intelligence officers lived. (Provided in the form of photographs taken by the camera from the registration documents of the hotels. Original.)
19. An examination of the insolvency of all existing versions of this crime. (22 pages. Made by the group conducting this investigation and the experts who participated in it. Original).
20. Examination of the causes of the disaster (101 pages. Made by the group that carried out this investigation, and the experts who took part in it. Original).
21. Expertise in relation to passengers of this flight.
22. Photographs, videos and other documents.
23. Expert studies of photos of materials presented in official investigations. (Independent expert. Original).

[Sawa]

And they don’t want to file a lawsuit against the barracks (translated from Arabic, on the contrary, werewolf!)? He gave a tooth, but there are pictures from space. He didn’t provide it, apparently it’s not the time yet ...