The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17


In the Netherlands, the trial in the case of the downed Boeing of the Malaysian Airlines airline continues. The plane was shot down in July 2014 in the sky over the Donbass. The prosecution is inclined to argue that the perpetrators of the attack on MH17 are three Russian citizens and one Ukrainian citizen.


Jerry Skinner, a lawyer for the relatives of the victims, made a statement to the press during the ongoing trial. Skinner, representing the interests of 40 families, said that the name of the Russian president should be heard in the trial.

Skinner:

We filed a lawsuit in case MH17 with the European Court of Human Rights against Russia and against Vladimir Putin. Probably, in this process we will hear the names of officials close to the Russian president and the name of Mr. Putin himself. I don’t think we can learn a lot. But still so powerful weapon, as an anti-aircraft missile system, could not leave Russia without sanction at the highest level. This all happened, as we believe, since Mr. Putin gave such a sanction.

Thus, while the Kremlin is discussing the so-called “nullification” of the presidential term, bringing it under the amendment of the Constitution, the name of President Putin sounds different in the Netherlands. The prosecution and the attorneys of the families of the victims are trying to use every opportunity to transfer the case to the level of almost the state with the next multi-billion dollar lawsuits.

Recall that the Dutch investigation, based on records on social networks and compiled negotiations of the Donbass militia, for almost six years tried to bring all this under accusations against Russia. At the same time, there are still no answers to the most important questions, including the question of why Ukrainian dispatchers took the airliner over the epicenter of hostilities.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 06: 49 New
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    It’s strange, there is nothing against Chekuha-Poroshenko that would be much more logical, although where are the “Hamburg prostitutes” and where is the logic? But GDP, however, is quite popular in the West, because everything is PeAR, except for the obituary. )))
    1. Ross xnumx 11 March 2020 07: 01 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But GDP, however, is quite popular in the West, because everything is PeAR, except for the obituary. )))

      Important notice! fellow The main thing is to understand it: “PeAR”, “PR” or “Public Relations”, and also to clarify: “necrologist” or “necrologist”? wassat
      In the West, they are judged by the principle: Ukraine, even if it is to blame, will not pay - there is no money. And Russia is already accustomed to paying the costs of Western lawyers - let's hang the case on it.
      fool Fuck them in turnips on the most "Netherlands."
      1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 07: 04 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        Fuck them in turnips on the most "Netherlands."
        Absolutely yes!
        1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 11: 41 New
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          The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17

          The Brussels trial is not just organizing a judicial farce without blaming Russia for it and trying to make a “trial” of Putin, but it is trying to hide the US’s participation by the Armed Forces in their attempt to assassinate Putin during his return from abroad to the Russian Federation. Namely.

          Malaysian Boeing brought down Ukraine from Washington’s filing. And the United States needs to evade responsibility for this crime, blaming itself on Russia not involved in the tragedy.

          Moreover, it was not just a provocation of Ukraine / USA against Russia, but it was Washington’s attempt on Ukraine’s Presidential Airport 1, at which Putin was supposed to fly from abroad when he returned to Russia.
          Ukrainians simply identified as airliners. The sizes on the radars of the Malaysian and the Russian presidential airliner are the same, the colors of the airliners are also similar. The Presidential Russian airliner only has 4 engines, while the Malaysian one has only 2. The Ukrainian pilot Voloshin reported this error when he became close to the Malaysian Boeing.
          See details on video from 5:00 minutes

          ATTEMPT ON PUTIN: Kiev wanted to kill Putin, but shot down MH17.
          Posted: 4 June 2019
          1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 12: 03 New
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            It is a pity that the video and sound recordings that were immediately published on the Internet after the crash of the Malaysian Boeing, now the Internet does not show - does not find.
            And so I remember well the recording of a conversation between Kolomoisky and a Ukrainian official about the shooting of a Malaysian Boeing.
            In an intercepted conversation, Kolomoisky was told that the plane was not at all the one they were counting on.

            It is noteworthy that in the conversation on the part of Kolomoisky himself there was a restrained laconic attitude to this message, while the one reporting to him about the error that had occurred spoke with a tongue twister and a timidly guilty excited voice. The sound recording also informed who the voice belonged to. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the name of this person - since it has long been.
            Moreover, from the conversation it was clear that Kolomoisky was aware of the upcoming operation, but apparently he did not really agree with its implementation, but someone still insisted.
            1. Victor Kuzmenko 12 March 2020 09: 49 New
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              Tatyana, I also remember well how Kolomoisky for several days (maybe a week or a little more) of those events, the correspondent, in the characteristic imposing form of the lord of the rings, promised that soon everything would go according to a completely different scenario.
              What confused and guarded me then?
              Some personalities in every possible way demonstrated that the Buk captured from VSU was dragged around the settlements in broad daylight and as if by chance everywhere it got into the frame. I thought: - who are these people, why are they so obsessively caught in the frame with this setting? Indeed, in those days, the militia was taken away by the militia by thousands of various kinds of military equipment and ammunition, but this was not exhibited, not shown in the media. So I thought - apparently it was not for nothing that the elephant was led to the show. If in the first act of the performance a gun hangs on the wall, then in the next it must certainly shoot. Shot.
              What else is haunting?
              The states instantly declared the culprit and said that they have one hundred percent evidence and evidence. The investigation, however, has been studying social networks for six years, the court also said it would take a year, two or five more years, six.
              This is outrageous! Do you have "one hundred percent proof"? !!! What are there another six years? !!!
              All this is a performance. The infamous performance ... in the same row as they creaked, white helmets, meldonium, relatives, Berezovsky, Litvinenko, etc.
          2. Fitter65 11 March 2020 12: 21 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            The sizes on the radars of the Malaysian and the Russian presidential airliner are the same, the colors of the airliners are also similar.

            You will probably be surprised, but on the radars the color of the aircraft is not visible. The display is just a bright dot near which data for this board is displayed. Yes, and the route of the Russian side No. 1 ran far away from Ukraine, which was at war at that time. So your assumption is just silly fantasies. By the way, following the inversion trail left at altitude by an airplane, you can immediately determine the number of engines in the airplane without even really seeing the airplane itself, and even fly up to the airplane walking along the air corridor, under the control of the controllers, for its visual identification, it’s real nonsense. It would be nice if the plane went without radio communications, with the state recognition system turned off, at the wrong time and in an unauthorized place, and even without the knowledge of the dispatchers, then the plane rises to take action against the intruder. And then they led the board almost across the whole country, and did not know whose board they were leading? Oh fly fly, and suddenly it’s Putin flying over us ... fool
            1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 12: 45 New
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              And the route of the Russian side No. 1 ran much aside from Ukraine, which was fighting at that time. So your guess is just stupid fantasies.

              Well, then watch the video from 8:40 min.!
              1. NEXUS 11 March 2020 13: 56 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                Well, then watch the video from 8:40 min.!

                Tatyana, in order to at least approximately understand what board flight No. 1 is, I’ll say that he, as a civilian Boeing, does not fly alone. There, escort of fighters is such that Buk would not survive for half a minute if he irradiated the target. And by the way, it is this escort that is responsible, among other things, for taking missiles fired along the presidential side to the side, and in emergency cases to expose their fighters to attack.
                1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 14: 19 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Atyana, in order to at least approximately understand what board flight No. 1 is, I’ll say that he, as a civilian Boeing, does not fly alone.

                  Thank you Andrey! I have taken this information from you with the Russian board number 1, but this is not all clear! The question then arises. Namely, has it always been that way, or not always? In all countries or not in all?

                  Well, for example, a counter question. And why was it different with the Polish government board No. 1, which crashed near Smolensk in the Russian Federation with high-ranking passengers and the Katynsky couple in 2010?
                  1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 14: 33 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    even Kayounskih
                    Read - The Fourth Kaornskih
                  2. Fitter65 11 March 2020 15: 33 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    And why with the Polish government board No. 1, which crashed near Smolensk in the Russian Federation with high-ranking passengers and the Katynsky couple headed in 2010, it was different

                    I mean otherwise? Why didn’t he fall under the Buk, but cut down the wing of the Birch? Well, because I didn’t follow the dispatcher’s instructions to leave for the alternate aerodrome, since the main airfield was closed by fog, but the pilots received instructions to land on this strip, and it was proved on the basis of a record from decrypted recorders (the so-called spies, which are mandatory they write all the conversations taking place in the cockpit), and so it was proved that there was an outsider in the cockpit who gave clear instructions about landing on this particular airfield, and not on the emergency one.
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Well, then watch the video from 8:40 min.!
                    I even had the first 15 seconds to understand that this was bullshit. You would be interested, you would just take it and look at the archives for the flight time and the route which board No. 1 then flew
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I’ll say that he, like a civilian Boeing, doesn’t fly alone. There’s escort of fighters,

                    Above the territory of a foreign state, accompanied by fighters ?. You just look at the chronicle of arrivals of flights No. 1 to different countries. The landing and escort of Flight No. 1 by fighters never flashed anywhere, arrival in Syria, where flight number 1 was shown, flights over the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea, to Kaliningrad and back is a completely different song. Again, if flight number 1 were accompanied by fighters, would it really not be visible on the radar screen? And not every fighter without refueling in the air will be able to accompany flight number 1. And for this we need an airborne missile defense (IL-78 in our case), again, how do you imagine refueling fighters in the air, somewhere over Hungary or Switzerland when flying, for example, to France or the UK? Board safety is primarily ensured by completely different means. And this nonsense that confused Putin’s board with MN-17- and this is really nonsense, you just don’t need to give evidence, at least for those who are at least a little connected with aviation and flight organization, and thank God I once served in aviation nearly 32 years ...
                    1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 15: 59 New
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                      Board safety is primarily ensured by completely different means.
                      Then, by what means, Alexander, is the security of Government Board No. 1 of the Russian Federation ensured if this is not an absolutely absolute secret? Moreover, you claim that
                      nonsense that confused Putin’s board with MN-17- and this is really nonsense, you just don’t need to give evidence, at least for those who are at least not a lot involved in aviation and flight operations, and thank God I once served in aviation without small 32 years old ...
                      1. Fitter65 11 March 2020 16: 23 New
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                        Then by what means is the safety of Government Board No. 1 of the Russian Federation ensured if this is not an absolutely absolute secret?

                        Well, firstly, by international treaties, this is the first, by drawing up a safe route, these are two, well, three, as an example of the Boeing VC-25 Air Force One
                        ... Electronics on board connects 383 km of wires, which is two times more than the usual 747th. All wires are shielded to protect against electromagnetic pulse in the event of a nuclear attack. Aircraft also have electronic countermeasures to interfere with enemy radars, means to interfere with missiles with infrared homing, anti-radar reflectors to counter homing missiles ...
                        Or do you think that board No. 1 is an ordinary airliner with the inscription RUSSIA and the presidential standard on the keel, with a gym and a luxury lounge? ..
                      2. Tatyana 11 March 2020 16: 36 New
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                        Quote: Fitter65
                        Or do you think that board No. 1 is an ordinary airliner with the inscription RUSSIA and the presidential standard on the keel, with a gym and a luxury lounge? ..
                        No, of course, I don’t think so!
                        I'm just not an expert in this field. And besides, this technical field of knowledge in its professional field of activity is still more purely male than female.

                        And therefore, it is interesting for me from a specialist in this field and in this field of activity to know the essence of a technical problem and its capabilities, which is or may be superimposed on political insinuations to process the public worldview

                        Thank you for this clarification.
                  3. NEXUS 11 March 2020 16: 34 New
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                    Above the territory of a foreign state, accompanied by fighters ?.

                    If the flight number 1 or flight number 2 flies over the territory of another state, then by default, a group of fighters of the protection of the state over which the given data flies fly into the air. This procedure is such ... because if, God forbid, say Board No. 1 is shot down on the territory of that state where this board flew, this is tantamount to a direct declaration of war with all the consequences.
                    1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 16: 39 New
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                      Thank you Andrey! Now it is clear!
                    2. Fitter65 11 March 2020 16: 46 New
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                      If the flight number 1 or flight number 2 flies over the territory of another state, then by default, a group of fighters of the protection of the state over which the given data flies fly into the air. This procedure is such ... because if, God forbid, say Board No. 1 is shot down on the territory of that state where this board flew, this is tantamount to a direct declaration of war with all the consequences.

                      It is interesting, but who and how can bring down board No. 1 over the territory of a foreign state in whose sky it flies? Sometimes yes, when approaching the airport of arrival of board No. 1, planes rise, such as an honorary escort, but nothing more. How many times, during my service, over the territory of the then KDVO, and then the BBO, various Boards No. 1 flew over, and the fighters for the meeting were not understood, all the forces and equipment on duty were alerted, the sides were tracked but kept by their civilian controllers. I will say more than that, when I served in the SGV, then Gorbachev flew to Poland, and ours also did not take off, just like the Poles, by the way. And again, returning to the delirium that MH17 was confused with Putin’s board, then it turns out, in your understanding, that the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin took off to escort Russian board No. 1 so that, God forbid, no one shot him down, but when he flew up to Boeing, he saw that it wasn’t that board reported to the dispatchers (after all, they didn’t sleep overboard almost across the whole country), the dispatcher was told where it was necessary that this was not Russian board No. 1, it would be possible to shoot a war with Russia .. . laughing laughing laughing
                    3. NEXUS 11 March 2020 17: 04 New
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                      Sometimes yes, when approaching the airport of arrival of board No. 1, planes rise, such as an honorary escort, but nothing more.

                      This honorary escort, as you called it, is lifted into the air not for show and not to show the type of respect, but first of all for SURVEILLANCE OF BOARD No. 1 and its protection. Agree, it would be strange if, say, our BORT No. 1 flew to the United States under the cover (escort) of Russian fighters, which have everything on their wings as an adult.
                      That is, the owner of the house to which the president of another state flies by default ensures his safety is guaranteed.
                      And the fact that you were not personally lifted into the air to accompany important sides, so I'm sorry, that means someone was more experienced and happier than you.
                      Naturally, I'm talking about normal countries, and not such misunderstandings as Ukraine.
                    4. Fitter65 11 March 2020 17: 38 New
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                      Quote: NEXUS
                      That is, the owner of the house to which the president of another state flies by default ensures his safety is guaranteed.
                      And the fact that you were not personally lifted into the air to accompany important sides, so I'm sorry, that means someone was more experienced and happier than you.

                      The safety of overboard flight No. 1 is provided by completely different measures. For example, all aircraft in the air along the flight route, landed at the nearest airfields, others were assigned to a safe distance from the corridor along which the board should fly. Well, if I were personally lifted into the air to accompany the important sides, I would be very surprised. I, as the “duty officer for communications and the flight RTO”, provided the airborne command and control department (operational duty command post) with information about the air situation, all the aircraft that were in the air received information from the airborne command and control system, and not only from us, the whole air situation was reflected on the tablet In addition to being alerted to the duty unit, air defense was also alerted, they had their own information received from their ODKP, and information was exchanged on board with civilian dispatchers ... There was enough tension even without additional irritants ... Even "neighbors" over the river tried not to flicker in the air once again ...
                  4. Tatyana 11 March 2020 17: 08 New
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                    Quote: Fitter65
                    And again, returning to the delirium that MH17 was confused with Putin’s board, then it turns out, in your understanding, that the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin took off to escort Russian board No. 1 so that, God forbid, no one shot him down, but when he flew up to Boeing, he saw that it wasn’t that board reported to the dispatchers (after all, they didn’t sleep overboard almost across the whole country), the dispatcher was told where it was necessary that this was not Russian board No. 1, it would be possible to shoot a war with Russia .. . laughing laughing laughing
                    I agree with you, Alexander! This analytical note is very interesting for you. Namely.

                    It turns out that even if you crack, even die, and the “devilish” ALOGUE in the actions of Ukraine on the downed Malaysian Boeing MN-17 is still present in this matter!
                  5. Fitter65 11 March 2020 17: 42 New
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                    It turns out that even if you crack, even die, and the "devilish" ALOGUE in the actions of Ukraine on the downed Malaysian Boeing MN-17 is still present in this matter

                    Why illogic? Everything is logical, Ukraine is no longer the first civilian board to knock without consequences, and I'm afraid that it is not the last, God forbid, of course ...
          3. Victor Kuzmenko 12 March 2020 10: 35 New
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            "And why the Polish ..."
            Different weight categories. There is such a joke about the elusive Joe.
            The Poles themselves have spread about the planet. There is a whole chain of violations of flight operations manual such as landing procedures and procedures. Their own board (flying first) warned that there was no visibility, fog. That the Russian side went on a spare. The same perished to the ground. The second barometric altimeter was not set correctly; moreover, the altitude was counted on the glide path using a radio altimeter (!!!). We went above the glide path and therefore exceeded the vertical, the plane had an increased speed at the landing. Did not comply with the dispatcher command "Polish, horizon." There were strangers in the cockpit.
            Now they are talking about the explosion on board and that our (Russian) soldiers were finishing off the machine guns that remained alive ....
            What is this called?
      2. Rzzz 11 March 2020 19: 59 New
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        Tatyana, let's give another video, yours have already been fixed.
        1. Tatyana 12 March 2020 02: 18 New
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          Quote: rzzz
          Tatyana, let's give another video, yours have already been fixed.

          Well, here you are, for example, also this video, which I remember well from those years, I found on the Internet.
          If the first - the previous - video was a collection of information with the hypothesis introduced by the author of the video itself, then this video is a living testimony of the witness himself, recorded on tape.
          Listen to the witness and evaluate everything yourself!

          MH17. Key witness. Published: May 14, 2016
          1. Tatyana 12 March 2020 02: 42 New
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            The note that posted this video is for this kind of containment.
            MH17 Listen to this witness. Compare with the video of the radio conversations of the pilot escorting MH17 at an altitude of 7000 m and his last phrase that he sees “small” below. So here. Accompanied Su27, and the small one below Su24.
        2. Tatyana 12 March 2020 03: 23 New
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          Quote: rzzz
          Tatyana, let's give another video, yours have already been fixed.

          And here is another version of a journalistic investigation of the time, from which it follows that there was an INTERNAL explosion on board the Malaysian airliner MN-17, but they are silent about this version now. Meanwhile, the arguments in favor of this version are also very serious.

          MH17. Just the facts. Yuri Antipov. Posted Mar 4 2016 year
          1. Tatyana 12 March 2020 04: 31 New
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            It should be noted that in favor of the version of the execution of the Malaysian Boeing from "Buk" there is evidence that the so-called Investigative Veshchdok N 9D1318869032 at the basis of the accusation by the Netherlands of Russia of the death of MH17 is FALSE a pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian biased investigation in the Netherlands, not only by the number of the Soviet missile, which was in fact in the bins of the Armed Forces, but also by the appearance of the allegedly used missile itself. Namely.

            The upper two photos show the “consequence” in the Netherlands of a missile allegedly fired from the Buk, in the form of Veschdok N 9D1318869032 of the shelling of the Malaysian Boeing by it.

            However, experts say that a thin-walled (4-6 mm) steel cylinder simply can’t look like this after the explosion of 70 kg warhead (warhead) 2-3 meters away and 3-8 meters near the cockpit of the liner of the ill-fated MH17 flight .
            The action of the front of the shock wave of the explosion with part of the striking elements (PE), together with the torn elements of the destroyed structure of the rocket itself, would have turned not only into a "colander" - they would have torn this green thin-walled tube to shreds.
            And even if some large fragment had been preserved, he would also plop out from there, from a height of 11 km on the ground.

            In other words. The tail part of the Buk missile, no matter who launched it, the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Marsiyan, Russians, should approximately look like in the bottom photo. (See photo 3)

            См. подробнее - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5d12b3f37dc1f900b030f9e4/vescdok-n-9d1318869032-falshivka-v-osnove-obvineniia-rossii-v-gibeli-mh17-5dee43a1ba281e00b292d2b7?utm_source=serp
  • Mitroha 11 March 2020 07: 13 New
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    There is a typo in the title of the article, it’s not right “in the Netherlands they said,” but in the Netherlands they lit a cigarette. ”Then everything falls into place
    1. Sova 11 March 2020 10: 27 New
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      And not only did they smoke, but also the lawyer of the relatives of the victims Jerry Skinner, to bother with the plump one and hope that Putin will change his traditional values ​​and punish the bad boy for his announcements. Do not wait for Mr. Skinner.
  • Xnumx vis 11 March 2020 08: 49 New
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    Fuck them in turnips on the most "Netherlands."

    Shells in shells in the left ear, in the right ear the Titanic pipe.
  • Sova 11 March 2020 10: 20 New
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    The logic in your statement is fundamentally there.
  • ccsr 11 March 2020 12: 13 New
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    . And Russia is already accustomed to paying the costs of Western lawyers - let's hang the case on it.

    So we do not recognize the jurisdiction of this court, especially what human rights can be discussed if this crime occurred during the hostilities in the territory not controlled by Russia. Here is what he writes
    Member of the Forum Standing Committee of the Free Russia Forum, ex-lawyer Mark Feigin, who has several high-profile cases behind him, agrees that such processes have been going on for quite some time, and that Russia does not recognize the court’s decision.

    Based on this, Russia took a reasonable position:
    In Russia, at the official level, they have not yet responded to the prosecution of the Netherlands by the suspect in the case of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 airliner flight MH17 over the occupied territory of Donbass in the summer of 2014. Experts believe that Moscow at this stage is trying not to give unnecessary informational reasons to cover this topic.

    I think we should not bother much with this process, especially since the whole thing is sewn with white thread.
  • Yashka Arteleiist 11 March 2020 07: 24 New
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    Yoshkin drin, give Dutch cheeses



  • Prisoner 11 March 2020 07: 32 New
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    And what to take from Ukraine? These bastards want to put Russia on money. Relatives and their lawyers do not care about politics. The main thing for them is to do their business on the dead.
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      [quote = Prisoner] And what to take from Ukraine? These bastards want to put Russia on money. Relatives and their lawyers do not care about politics. The main thing for them is to do their business on the dead. [Quote]
      Pretty strange comment.
      Without any connection with Ukraine, this is the question, and in the case of victims, let's say in an accident, due to the fault of a drunk driver - are relatives with lawyers doing the same business on the dead?
      1. Egoza 11 March 2020 08: 00 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Without any connection with Ukraine, this is the question, and in the case of victims, let's say in an accident, due to the fault of a drunk driver - are relatives with lawyers doing the same business on the dead?

        Well, who’s like .... "If you were hit by a car, then you will pay for the repair of the car" - such an innovation
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          Quote: Egoza
          Well, who’s like .... "If you were hit by a car, then you will pay for the repair of the car" - such an innovation

          I’m not surprised at all in Europe, if a cucumber should already grow no more than 8 centimeters, then you can ignore the rest. In the building of the European Council on the wall are written three of the most popular sayings from each country. One was "Silence is gold, and the word silver." The council decided that “the word cannot be silver,” the saying was removed.
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        Of course. When they try to blame the owner of an expensive sports car, standing next to him, realizing that you can’t take much from a drunk drunk on a rotten Cossack. So nothing strange. hi
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  • Rusj 11 March 2020 06: 50 New
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    Well Putin! And what is not Stalin or Peter1. It’s too small for the gay people to fantasize. How ridiculous in their Russophobia are these wretched. Nerds what to say.
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      Well Putin! And what is not Stalin or Peter1


      Do you offer him to go to the society of these worthy personalities as soon as possible? There is also Mahatma Gandhi, who will talk with
    2. Russobel 11 March 2020 07: 05 New
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      Of course it’s funny if it weren’t so sad ...
      You can laugh as much as you want on the show-offs, but they slowly and not to no avail drive the pegs into the heads of the geyropets.
      We should already have to answer if they attack.
  • Andrey VOV 11 March 2020 06: 51 New
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    Stoned judges, the same lawyers, leisurely and yawning repeat the same mantra, tired ... by golly
  • Sayan 11 March 2020 06: 51 New
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    Here about the amendment about zeroing was mentioned, and about the amendment canceling the supremacy of international law is more appropriate in this regard, why not a word, funny
  • bessmertniy 11 March 2020 06: 52 New
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    The case should sound the name of the Ukrainian President, who did not close the skies for civil aviation flights over the area where the fighting was conducted. This is the main reason for what happened.
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      bessmertniy (Victor) Today, 06: 52
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      The case should sound the name of the Ukrainian President, who did not close the skies for civil aviation flights over the area where the fighting was conducted. This is the main reason for what happened.
      Victor, hi ! The question of "closing the sky" is unnecessary, WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT ALL. At least this was voiced in the media from hemp (see Holland).
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        And what after that is their Human Rights Court in The Hague, which is simply a fiction to protect them! no , Like this particular court in the case of the downed Boeing, which they build on their patterns. negative
    2. Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2020 09: 16 New
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      In the case, the name of the Ukrainian President should sound, ... the funny thing is that the Dutch do not know what Ukraine is because there cannot be presidents there, their logic is simple, Russia is the legal successor to the USSR, therefore everything that happens in the womb of the former USSR is to blame for Russia, Now the population of the territory of U 404 really poked his nose into the dung indicating where their place
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      Closing the skies for civilian planes is not quite the president’s business. There are international flight regulations. We hear a lot of gibberish from Holland, but there is no answer to the most important question. Where is the dispatcher? Here is the most important witness who (I) strangely disappeared (a), the day after the incident. The question is, where does Russia in general and Putin in particular. If in the west people have cereal in their heads, then you do not need to make the whole world idiots.
  • Mytholog 11 March 2020 06: 56 New
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    A day after the crash, liberal newspapers came out with headlines like "Putin shot down a plane" ...
    Not a "can", but is guaranteed to appear. All of their mumbled booths were collected precisely for this purpose.
  • Fedorov 11 March 2020 06: 56 New
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    It smells of senility, just like a spring exacerbation. Especially Dutch. Che Guevara would have been attributed to the case of Mao Dzedong, too, the hoopoes are over.
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      This is not insanity. This is war.
    2. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 09: 34 New
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      Che Guevara would have been attributed to the case of Mao Dzedong, too, the hoopoes are over.

      Well, if they no longer had Hitler unleashed the WWII, but the USSR, then they would "pin" both Mao and Peter the Great here to Putin. But Gorbachev and Yeltsin will not dare.
  • Klingon 11 March 2020 06: 58 New
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    and what else could you expect from stoned addicts ??
    soon they will have the Kraken crawl into the conference room and draw with him Buk and GDP and Cthulhu knows whom else wassat
  • Grits 11 March 2020 06: 59 New
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    No matter how great our President is, unfortunately, he cannot give an indication of the movements and actions of Ukrainian Buk and other powerful air defense systems of Ukraine.
    1. revnagan 11 March 2020 09: 50 New
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      he cannot give an indication of the movement and actions of Ukrainian Buk and other powerful air defense systems of Ukraine

      Ukraine, no, but we are talking about air defense systems of Russia hi .
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        we are talking about air defense systems of Russia

        What do they have to do with it?
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          What do they have to do with it?

          Probably not for nothing that you chose a camel in a helmet as your avatar. Did you read the article? Is it about the fact that the Russian Buk darted back and forth across the border. Most likely, it’s not without the knowledge of the “darkest” one.
  • aszzz888 11 March 2020 07: 03 New
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    The prosecution and the attorneys of the families of the deceased are trying to use every opportunity to transfer the case to the level of almost the state with the next multi-billion dollar lawsuits.
    And there is. This court)) is more important than the political component. And the felling of grandmas already from the STATE. But judges will weed the grass on a par with everyone, and at the state level. What demand can be repaired from the stoned? laughing
  • Honest Citizen 11 March 2020 07: 05 New
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    Nevertheless, it's time to forbid marijuana in Holland ...
    At least for judges, lawyers and prosecutors
    1. aszzz888 11 March 2020 07: 14 New
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      Honest Citizen (Sergey) Today, 07: 05 NEW
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      Nevertheless, it's time to forbid marijuana in Holland ...
      At least for judges, lawyers and prosecutors

      But how can they then administer justice)) ?! wink
      1. Honest Citizen 11 March 2020 07: 26 New
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        Those. you think that on a sober and clear head they clutch their heads there with screams: "But how did you get to this?" wassat laughing
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          Those. you think that on a sober and clear head they clutch their heads there with screams: "But how did you get to this?" wassat laughing
          They will not grasp, and their heads will never be sober and clear. ALWAYS stoned (but because the state permits). bully
  • Strashila 11 March 2020 07: 14 New
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    “Recall that the Dutch investigation, based on entries in social networks,” the network has already sounded that the site in this case was already three days before the disaster. This, as with the Korean Boeing, the plane was still flying, but protests have already begun with its death.
    “Everything was clear. The house was doomed. It could not help but burn down. And, indeed, at twelve o’clock in the night it burned, set ablaze at once from the six ends.” So this plane, he was appointed “incident belli” against Russia, if if it were as the figures from the Dutch court say, then NATO soldiers would already be on the border with Russia. But the fact that the Ukrainians were thrown in this matter suggests that they did not organize the provocation well and no one in the West wants to be held accountable, but having barked once they have to turn on the “performance” further, otherwise they themselves will go to the tribunal.
    1. Pathos 11 March 2020 09: 39 New
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      Now, if it had fallen on the territory of the Russian Federation, then NATO and the United States would have stood near the borders with the Russian Federation, but it didn’t work out. Something went wrong, and dances with a tambourine, they have been beating the gong for 6 years and howling at the moon, the country is burning under your feet, you have to do something to imitate frantic activity, because the relatives of the victims are also pressing, but again, accidental Russia throws firewood to them slowly even Malaysia found radar data and a rocket, began to slowly yap and conduct its investigation, they can only be pulled by ears, and if it had fallen on the territory of the Russian Federation it would have been declared evil empire in 15m laughing So they marked 4 boobies and found a mythical beech. There are suggestions that the Russian Federation has more than one ace up its sleeve in this matter.
      In fact, the entire mega-movement with this liner of pure water is a provocation to bring in NATO troops and establish their bases, only now in the Kharkov region. missile defense system does not make sense since You can get not sickly in the back from Donetsk. Those. the plan failed. If Donetsk and Lugansk surrender, a US missile defense appears and this reduces the flight time of missiles, reduces the time for identifying targets and the time for deciding on destruction and retaliatory strike. Something like this request
      Sorry for the people flying this liner, unfortunately they will not be returned, and dancing with a tambourine will continue, sadly forever.
  • don-1500 11 March 2020 07: 21 New
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  • IL-64 11 March 2020 07: 25 New
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    Permission to fly a liner over a combat zone creates the prerequisites for the possibility of its downing, but is not related to the fact of the downing. If only someone does not seriously consider that a multi-pathway has been prepared (which then completely distilled its target, and we are in shit). Unfortunately, the facts of posts in social networks about the downing of the aircraft, then deleted, were not explained. But you could say - They shot MANPADS at the transporter. We decided that they shot down. Then they sorted it out.
    And now all this is attracted to one heap.
  • rocket757 11 March 2020 07: 27 New
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    Maybe they can deliver a particularly strong "bamboo" to the court meeting !!! There is someone to take care of. wassat
  • 7,62h54 11 March 2020 07: 47 New
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    Kremlin as sellers of Oriflame. They climb into Europe, intrusively want to prove that they are also members of the European family. They are at the door, they are at the window.
    It has long been necessary to understand that Russia has its own history, its own development. From the window to Europe there is only a draft and dirt. Anyone sneezing outside the window is Russia's new accusation.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2020 09: 41 New
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      also members of the European family. They are at the door, they are at the window ...... dare, offset. But the right must be persistent in these matters, the USSR only in recent years began to bend its back and crawl on its knees. and so remember Korea. Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, Hungary. Well and Afghanistan, all the trepachas went to the farm, they did everything, just like with the Korean Boeing at 83m, he had nothing to do there and EVERYTHING. and no one climbed the window. they themselves came to us in the tsarlah at the petition, and schyas .... scream. Thumped Th something and all catastrophe
  • Nadsor 11 March 2020 07: 48 New
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    Well, how can it be without Putin, all this harassment of Russia is directed at him ... Politically it doesn’t work, now they want it economically .. Oil has fallen in price and will fall! Hold on Russia mother ..!
  • oracul 11 March 2020 07: 57 New
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    Insolence, coupled with a lie, is immense, but with frequent use it makes people who use it stupid. Actually what was happening in a similar vein was expected. There is no evidence in court, and even more so about Putin, but why not rinse the name of the President. After all, it fits into the demonic image of Russia and its leader, who hysterically paints the West, a collective artist of globalism.
  • Chingachguk 11 March 2020 08: 01 New
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    Cheerful on all head !!!! For a week, replace Putin with Zhirinovsky, and this whole gop company, headed by judges, lawyers and witnesses, would already be sitting in a dock in Moscow in the dock for insulting the president and for openly lying in the case !!!!
  • Rusj 11 March 2020 08: 06 New
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    I look at life
    through the bottom of the glass.
    Vodka is evil!
    Or maybe not evil?
    It’s hard in a village without a gun.
    And with a gun - it’s also hard.
  • stels_07 11 March 2020 08: 28 New
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    And why not start such a trial in Russia, where the names of the CIA director, Anb or Poroshenko could come up ..
  • Den717 11 March 2020 09: 14 New
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    The prosecution and the attorneys of the families of the deceased are trying to use every opportunity to transfer the case to the level of almost the state with the next multi-billion dollar lawsuits.

    Is this an attempt to implement the “Libyan” scenario? I think they will have a very difficult time. Russia is not Libya. Blackmail will not work here.
  • cniza 11 March 2020 09: 21 New
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    At the same time, there are still no answers to the most important questions, including the question of why Ukrainian dispatchers took the airliner over the epicenter of hostilities.


    There are many questions, but nobody wants to ask them, and dispatchers are already in another world ...
  • tihonmarine 11 March 2020 09: 26 New
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    But still such a powerful weapon as an anti-aircraft missile system could not leave Russia without authorization at the highest level.
    Strange, but while weapons in such enormous quantities left Russia, and so far, the entire Armed Forces of Ukraine have been armed. Such nonsense, even with a big "hangover" you can imagine.
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      and so far, the entire Armed Forces of Ukraine is armed with it.

      ..and also all the security forces of LDNR what .
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        . as well as all the security forces of LDNR

        And they Lao PDR, also in colossal amounts?
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          And they Lao PDR, also in colossal amounts?

          Of course, yes, because they need to somehow compensate for the enormous quantitative advantage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, and since the Russian troops are known to be "ichtamnet", then only with a colossal amount of deliveries from the Russian Federation. Well, how much could remain in warehouses and in mines there, on this piece of territory? But it doesn’t end in any way.
  • Retvizan 8 11 March 2020 09: 35 New
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    Yes, are you still not up to date?
    Dutch investigators found iron evidence of our president’s involvement in the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing!
    In Odnoklassniki they found Putin’s correspondence with Lavrov, where he writes in plain text: "It became boring, ordered to bring down a civilian plane."
    ))))))
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      In Odnoklassniki they found Putin’s correspondence with Lavrov, where he writes in plain text: "It became boring, ordered to bring down a civilian plane."

      Thank God, at least a piece of the fence was not provided where these words were written.
  • revnagan 11 March 2020 09: 46 New
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    “At the same time, there are still no answers to the most important questions, including the question of why the Ukrainian air traffic controllers took the airliner over the epicenter of hostilities.” (Cit.)
    In Ukraine, anyone came into power in 2014, but not fools. They quickly drew conclusions from the death of a transport worker with paratroopers near Lugansk. And they specially put Malaysia's airliner under attack from pro-Russian forces. Now the Dutch court has a difficult task - how to denigrate Russia while hooking Ukraine, which is guilty no less, and possibly more, since the passengers were framed deliberately.
  • EXPrompt 11 March 2020 09: 48 New
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    Why maybe the last name Putin should appear, and no nails !!!
    The secret agent M007 personally heard how Putin commanded the calculation of beech for government communications, in a salvo, and saw how Putin’s shadow stood next to the launcher)))
    And note, all with a binge.
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      Why can the surname Putin appear should, and no nails!

      These courts are simply fictitious. They put him in the states of director Wallenstein for 23 years without evidence of rape, on the basis of the words "allegedly the victim". And what is better in the Netherlands?
  • Strashila 11 March 2020 09: 50 New
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    "The Dutch prosecutor Dedi Voi-A-Tsoi during a trial on the case of a Boeing MH17 shot down in the Donbass told about the testimony of a witness who claimed the presence of Russian soldiers and FSB officers near the Buk anti-aircraft complex. This was reported by The Stawell Times-News.
    According to the prosecution, a witness admitted that he saw Russian soldiers who were present next to the Buk. He also allegedly heard from his companions about the presence of people from the FSB at the time of the disaster. The prosecutor also said that Russian military intelligence may have hacked into the Australian federal police to distribute fake data. ",
    draws attention "admitted that he saw the Russian military" that under torture, witnesses do not admit, they testify. and this mother probably swore a tooth that he should be believed, they obviously didn’t believe him, so he added, "He also allegedly heard from his companions about the presence of people from the FSB,"
    Yes, there were still the guardsmen of Tsar Ivan, and SMERSHovtsy comrade Stalin.
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  • sleeve 11 March 2020 10: 25 New
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    And hasn’t it sounded yet? I thought they would start from this.
  • 1536 11 March 2020 10: 43 New
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    Only one thing is clear that a Russian citizen, even being in the territory of the Russian Federation, is absolutely not protected from the arbitrariness of foreign courts, special services and other fascist associations of Europe and their minions in other parts of the world. They survived, as they say, hugging and fraternizing with this bastard. A citizen of Russia at any time can be blamed for anything and anyone, starting from a baby and ending with the Patriarch. And how long will this go on? At least the Baltic "embassies" were expelled from Moscow and the American ambassador was pressed out so that they would not feel like a master in Moscow.
  • bukhach 11 March 2020 10: 46 New
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    Relatives of the victims can be understood, people have lost their loved ones, but to bring the tragedy to an absurdity, blaming everyone who is not lazy, is also impossible.
  • sanik2020 11 March 2020 10: 55 New
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    Everyone knows that there are BUK air defense systems in both Russia and Ukraine. First you need to prove whose one was there and whose shot it was?
    And we can all argue.
    1. mordor 11 March 2020 15: 16 New
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      So it has already been proven, the pictures and videos from the Internet, even though they were made in a photo shop, otherwise the video where the GDP itself was pulled by a beech strap, which is not proof. And, which is also not proof where the beech was transported on the platform, it is true to the other side, but it was transported, and for them, what difference does it make they do not orient themselves to the cardinal points, especially after another tightening.
  • Forest 11 March 2020 11: 31 New
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    For good, Western rulers do not understand.
  • Griol 11 March 2020 11: 37 New
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    Who would doubt that this 3,14 Dorye will do everything to blame Russia for the bloody provocation committed by Poroshenko and Obama .. The so-called “court”, along with fiduciary prosecutors, becomes an accomplice in the crime, otmazyvaya real criminals.
  • Operator 11 March 2020 12: 00 New
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    The European Court of Human Rights operates under the Council of Europe - an absolutely parasitic organ that does not decide anything, but at the same time constantly adopts Russophobic resolutions.

    The Russian Federation, by mistake, which is part of the Council of Europe, serves there as a whipping boy and a cash cow.
  • primaala 11 March 2020 13: 22 New
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    The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17
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    Clowns)) (I did not find other words). laughing
  • 123456789 11 March 2020 13: 25 New
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    The Netherlands said Putin’s surname “may appear” in MH17

    And the Netherlands "may disappear" from the political map of the world, and do not say that people are sorry! Every nation deserves its power! And the court is one of the branches of government. Therefore, responsible for the crimes of power - the people. Including the deprivation of the future. Unfortunately, the story is not a teacher, but a warden!
    IMHO
  • Gennady Fomkin 11 March 2020 14: 38 New
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    In June 2019, the GSS stated that it had identified four individuals suspected of involvement in the incident. Among them are three Russians - Igor Girkin, also known under the pseudonym Strelkov, Sergey Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov. The fourth suspect is a citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko. The trial of them should begin on March 9, 2020. After all the investigations into Yugoslavia, I want to send all those prosecutors to God's court. laughing
  • mordor 11 March 2020 15: 07 New
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    We filed a lawsuit in case MH17 with the European Court of Human Rights against Russia and against Vladimir Putin. In how there was no trial, the perpetrators have not been identified, and the lawsuit has already been filed, what is coronavirus, highly likes it yes.
  • flicker 11 March 2020 22: 16 New
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    while the Kremlin is discussing the so-called “nullification” of the presidential term, bringing it under the amendment of the Constitution, in the Netherlands, the name of President Putin sounds for a different reason.

    How the world community has become excited against Putin, it simply does not see the point in the life of another.
    They want to accuse him of bringing down a Boeing, arrogance and cynicism are simply beyond. Not a single Russian leader was subjected to such an obstruction from the West as Putin. Just some sort of bullying. I think the case will turn up and these tricky ... drunk and arrogant creatures will answer.
    But it’s in the West, with these halls, everything is clear, but when in their own country different grant-eaters begin to replicate Western manuals, and corrupt media distribute them, and the most exalted audience begins to howl at sites, then this is too much.
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 11 March 2020 22: 44 New
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    But Putin does not allow quiet life not for our oppositionists, not for the West, what will you do without Putin?
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    And the Netherlands may disappear from the map of Europe ... all of a sudden.
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    As soon as the process began, in addition to the hiding Ukrainian criminals, the list of innocent convicts by the Hague court of justice was not published, there was no daily run over.
  • Jambal Green 12 March 2020 12: 05 New
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    Perhaps we are talking about a transcript of a telephone conversation between Obama and Putin in which Vladimir Vladimirovich directly told Obama that he knows the whole cunning plan for introducing NATO forces to the Russian border to help the APU group dying in the South Boiler, therefore he asks not to aggravate the US blame for the deaths of passengers among which (according to Poroshenko) 80 children and curtail the paid media company. Apparently, he also said that his people would monitor the work of private detective Joseph Resh, hired by "unknown" customers.
  • Yuri Mikhailovsky 12 March 2020 14: 41 New
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    This is not a court. This is the gang of bandits who committed a crime and sweeping tracks ...
  • Tolik_74 12 March 2020 15: 48 New
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    Let's call this country Galandia, and oh how they do not like this name. #galland #
  • Jambal Green 12 March 2020 18: 59 New
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    Joseph Resh SACTS keeps a secret about customers and executors of the destruction of MN-17. He received his fee, and all the investigation materials and material evidence were taken by the police and since there were traces of explosives there, no one will ever see this evidence again. The world community only had an inventory of these material evidence published on the website of anonymous information trading, where they were laid out for a modest amount of ฿ 35000. 1. The original audio recording from the CDF, on magnetic media, in the form of a coil with magnetic wire, a radio exchange of a combat control officer (OBU) with a pilot of a military aircraft, who was near the Boeing 777 at the time of the crash. (7min. 41 sec. The carrier is a magnetic carrier, in the form of a coil with magnetic wire. Original).
    2. Video recording from the cabin of the SAM-BUK made by a mobile phone. (15 min.) The carrier is the mobile telephone itself with video recording. (Original).
    3. Data of electronic interception of telephone conversations of employees of foreign special services - 6 pcs. (The carrier is a flash drive. Original).
    4. The protocol in the form of a video recording, a source of information and material evidence. (The carrier is a tablet computer with a video protocol. Original).
    5. Video recording of an informal meeting with a source of information. (The carrier is a tablet computer with a video recording of the meeting. Original.)
    6. Explosion-technical examination of fragments of a liner that received mechanical action on six sheets. (Original.)
    7. Video recording, in the form of a laboratory assistant's data, collecting materials for explosive technical examination. (The carrier is a mobile telephone with video recording of the laboratory’s video protocol. Original).
    8. Protocol inspection of the area of ​​the fall of the side of the MH17 for the presence / absence of damaging elements, debris. (The carriers are: a mobile telephone with video recording of a video protocol of the testimony of the person who inspected, as well as a paper document, with personal data and personal signature of the person who inspected. Originals.)
    9. Independent technical examinations of audio / video materials and media themselves for authenticity, as well as integrity and lack of signs of installation. (Examinations were made by Group-IB and provided on paper. Original.)
    10. Expert opinion of air defense specialists, video recordings of the SAM-BUK. (Provided on paper. Original)
    11. Expert opinion of the specialists of the Air Force, audio recordings of SOK-KDP. (Provided on paper. Original)
    12. Expert opinion on the situation of the SAM-BUK, military aircraft SU-XX and SU-XX, MH- and their trajectories. (Provided in hard copy. Original) 14. Copy of the criminal case (Ukrainian) to one of the sources of information. Materials of the criminal activity of this source. (Provided on a flash drive in the form of photographs taken by the camera from the original materials of the criminal case, indicating the numbers of the criminal case, data of the victims, data of the accused, data of the investigators, photos and other materials. Copy from the original.)
    15. Screenshots of the electronic correspondence of the source of information with one of the agents of the special services. (Provided personally by the source of information on a flash drive with confirmation of their authenticity to him personally on two video recordings. Original.)
    16. Operational information and other operational materials of the SBU in relation to employees of foreign special services. (Provided on a flash drive. Confirmed on video records of the source of information. Copy.)
    17. Certificate in relation to an employee of the SBU related to events related to the Boeing 777 airliner and material evidence, facts and information provided for this crime. (Provided on a flash drive. Video source records confirmed. Copy.)
    18. Photographs of extracts from hotels where foreign intelligence officers lived. (Provided in the form of photographs taken by the camera from the registration documents of the hotels. Original.)
    19. An examination of the insolvency of all existing versions of this crime. (22 pages. Made by the group conducting this investigation and the experts who participated in it. Original).
    20. Examination of the causes of the disaster (101 pages. Made by the group that carried out this investigation, and the experts who took part in it. Original).
    21. Expertise in relation to passengers of this flight.
    22. Photographs, videos and other documents.
    23. Expert studies of photos of materials presented in official investigations. (Independent expert. Original).
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    Donetsk 1992
    And they don’t want to file a lawsuit against the barracks (translated from Arabic, on the contrary, werewolf!)? He gave a tooth, but there are pictures from space. He didn’t provide it, apparently it’s not the time yet ...