Admiral Kuznetsov: the smoke cleared. Damage assessment and reflection on the future of an aircraft carrier


The smoke from the fire disappeared on the only Russian aircraft carrier, and what is happening to Kuznetsov now and what will happen to it in the future?


First of all, it should be noted that the panic suggestions that were heard after the last state of emergency regarding the fact that now "the old man will be sent to the scrap" are not confirmed. As far as we know, the ship is still at the berth of the 35th shipyard near Murmansk in anticipation of the resumption of full-scale repair work. Also, the allegations that, as a result of the fire, their estimated cost soared either to 90, or to 95 billion rubles, were not justified. As the president of the United Shipbuilding Company JSC Alexei Rakhmanov said on this occasion, there can be no question of such figures.

The damage is definitely great - shipbuilders tentatively estimate its size at 300 million rubles. Many experts are skeptical of such estimates, believing that the numbers are underestimated.

However, the final conclusions will be made only after the announcement of the report of the special commission dealing with both the investigation of the causes of the emergency and the assessment of the extent of its consequences. It was tentatively expected that she would finish her work in January, but so far no official statements had been made by her members, therefore, the line under the proceedings was most likely not drawn. Either summed up, but they have not yet decided to announce the results of the assessment.

One way or another, but at the beginning of this year, the same Mr. Rakhmanov confidently said that the December fire would not have a significant effect on both the timing of repairs at Admiral Kuznetsov and their estimated cost. In any case, if last year the head of the USC firmly promised that the aircraft carrier would be commissioned in 2021 with a delay of a maximum of four months from the terms specified in the contract, now, according to him, the ship will be able to go to sea trials later - in 2022. However, the point here is not only in the fire, but also in the need to carry out a number of additional actions that have already been revealed in the process of work that has begun.

According to available information, after an emergency, which became the subject of a criminal case instituted on his fact, at the Zvezdochka branch in Murmansk, where Kuznetsov is now located, security measures were significantly increased, especially when conducting welding and other similar work, for discipline and compliance with the necessary rules and they are watching the norms there, as they say, in all eyes.

Be that as it may, but at the Naval alternatives to the return of the Tavkr, which some have already hurried to write off, fleet Russia today simply does not exist. Farewell to "Admiral Kuznetsov" will mean a bold cross on the Russian deck military aviation, which will later have to be revived from scratch. Our Navy, of course, needs a nuclear submarine or a “pair of frigates,” the cost of which some experts compare the price of repairing an aircraft carrier. However, no one will be allowed to launch a knife for the sake of momentary interests, one of a kind and not having analogues at the present time. To call such a decision reasonable would definitely be difficult.
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  1. New Year day 11 March 2020 07: 05 New
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    Farewell to “Admiral Kuznetsov” will mean a fat cross on the Russian carrier-based military aircraft, which will later have to be revived from scratch.

    Right! This must not be allowed! The return of Kuznetsov is vital
    1. Malyuta 11 March 2020 08: 51 New
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      Author. According to the information available, after the incident, which became the subject of a criminal case instituted on his fact, at the Murmansk branch of Zvyozdochka, where Kuznetsov is now located, significantly safety measures have been increased, especially during welding and other similar works, discipline and compliance with the necessary rules and norms are now being watched there, as they say, in all eyes
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      And Kuzya should be put away from various cranes, he simply can’t stand the second “crane”.
      If Kuzma is to be revived, then it is necessary to distill it to China and repair and modernize it at their will, it will be cheaper and our travel experience and technologies will be gained.
      If they fix it with us, firstly, the estimate and real expenses will come out in a blatant space amount, and then it turns out that the ship is out of date, the concepts have changed and they will quietly fuse it into China, but on needles and pins.
      Tough, huh? But such is our reality!
      1. donavi49 11 March 2020 09: 32 New
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        If Kuzma is to be revived, then it is necessary to distill it to China and repair and modernize it at their will, it will be cheaper and our travel experience and technologies will be gained.


        By the year 22, they can build a new one, already according to the improved type001A project. For example, the pace of construction of a completely new type for them (UDC) for a new unique project (since it is not like the others).

        April 24, 2019 - readiness for launching 8 DKVD 071 projects, next to it is UDC 075 in the form of a mortgage section.


        Today, March 11, 2020 UDC 075 is completing completion and has begun factory tests, going out to sea April-May.


        In place of 8 DKVD, they laid down a new UDC 075 project, presumably in the summer. There is no exact date. At the beginning of March, the new UDC. Also in the spring will be let down.


        Judging by the satellite, the third UDC 075 is being built in the fall at the site of the head UDC 075 launched
        1. Malyuta 11 March 2020 09: 48 New
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          Quote: donavi49
          By the year 22, they can build a new one, already according to the improved type001A project. For example, the pace of construction of a completely new type for them (UDC) for a new unique project (since it is not like the others).

          Comrade, that’s exactly what I had in mind, I just didn’t want to upset the local urrit-patrites. Honestly, I would buy a couple of UDCs from my dummies for my armament, only now no one wants to admit to technological and production backwardness. fleet, but the shame of Russia as a sea power washed by the seas and oceans.
          And Kuzya? Well Kuzya? He is a symbol of a bygone great era, just as many did not fit into the market, so his soul is wrinkling, he wants to drown, then burn out, maybe even out of shame for the new owners.
          1. bayard 12 March 2020 03: 56 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            Honestly, I would buy a pair of UDC from my Chayns under my armament.

            The Fleet’s command had such thoughts - to buy a batch of Chinese-built frigates for their weapons, and the Chinese offered UDC 071 to us ... Even Sokh wrote that China was ready to build 20 frigates and 2 to 4 UDCs of type 071 for Russia, and that wrote that delegations of Pacific Fleet officers visited Chinese shipyards and looked closely ...
            But.
            But then, China not only joined the sanctions against Russia, but also showed considerable zeal for persecuting Russian business in China, closing representative offices of Russian banks and firms, closing Russian accounts in Chinese banks ... Then there was a supply from China of defective and extremely unreliable diesel engines ship engines for Russian MRKs, which were left without German diesels, with which our sailors are still struggling with ...
            NOT ALLY CHINA TO US!
            And not even a partner (in the sense of reliable).
            This is a roguish and selfish subject, always ready to stab in the back with a knife.
            He (China) proved it in CASE.
            “Friends are in need” - Russian folk wisdom.
            Russia RECOGNIZED China.
            Not a friend.
            Therefore, they did not order any ships in China.
            Moreover, nothing can be sent for repairs.
            If you want to receive humiliation and losses to your country - contact China.
            My friend once took part in the military council of the Pacific Fleet (not a member - on military cooperation) and spent half his life in Primorye. And we often talk ... Believe me, I know what I'm talking about.
            Quote: Malyuta
            And Kuzya? Well Kuzya? He is a symbol of a bygone great era, just as many did not fit into the market, so his soul is wrinkling, he wants to drown, then burn out, maybe even out of shame for the new owners.

            "Kuznetsov" was not completed and was not transferred to the Fleet at the time when it was essentially stolen from Nikolaev. There, where there were no normal conditions for his service. In extreme climatic conditions. And for a very long time he simply rotted there against the wall - there was no means for its maintenance and repair. He was then saved from decommissioning and disposal through public initiatives.
            But the fleet really needs the ship today — when the new Navy of the Russian Federation is being built / revived in order to maintain competencies in the operation of aircraft-carrying ships. For the training of pilots of deck aviation of the future fleet. Indeed, without aircraft carriers, the ocean fleet is impossible.
            But they will not appear soon - in 12-15 years, for objective reasons. Therefore, Kuznetsov will have to serve after repair for at least 15 years.
            And it is better to serve him in the warm seas.
            1. Alien From 12 March 2020 20: 18 New
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              You got very emotional comment) I will join him completely !!!)
            2. fif21 13 March 2020 20: 37 New
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              Quote: bayard
              And it is better to serve him in the warm seas.

              And I think in the Far East. hi
              1. bayard 14 March 2020 01: 00 New
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                On the Black Sea it’s good - the warm sea, beautiful girls, a thread simulator and in easy accessibility another one - the warmer sea - the Mediterranean ... and there Tartus and Hmeimim. Learning is fun - maximum flying days per year, training center and CIVILIZATION. So there will be no problems with the teaching staff. For the school desk, that's it.
                And for the Far East, new aircraft carriers are needed - first UDC, and there you look and wait for new aircraft carriers.
                But it’s better to teach cadets and sea pilots where there is a clear sky the maximum number of days in a year.
                And God forbid the Pacific Fleet, wait for their UDC and new ships of the main classes.
        2. silver_roman 12 March 2020 22: 57 New
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          not surprising.
          I somehow paid on the deadline for Arly Berkov. It seems that in some years up to 3 ships were part of the fleet. and so on 2 is stable.
      2. bayard 12 March 2020 03: 23 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        If Kuzma is revived, then it is necessary to distill it to China and repair it

        No, Malyuta, you can’t drag him around the ball into China, but it’s still advisable to drag him around. And drag to the Crimea - to Kerch, in the Gulf Shipyard. There is an appropriate dock, and all the necessary infrastructure, and the sea is warm (climate, temperature, lack of polar night). It’s best to send personnel - there will be enough willing - a trip to the resort, but for interesting work in normal climatic conditions.
        Kuznetsov’s repair should not interfere with the construction of 2 UDCs, because work with him will be carried out in the dock and at the outfitting wall, and UDC in the slipways. Personnel for repair - from the north.
        But the experience of working on an aircraft carrier in the future can be very useful - at the beginning of work on the already new aircraft carriers of the classical type, which are nowhere more to be built in Russia. Yes, and you can’t imagine a better place - both in logistics, and in the development of infrastructure, in the background of the enterprise, and in climatic conditions.
        The construction of 2 - 4 UDCs and the repair work at Kuznetsovo will prepare the Bay for the future interesting and very necessary work.
        Well, and if something does not grow together and the aircraft carriers will not build (or they will build it then ...) ... they will build tankers, gas carriers, dry cargo carriers, lighter carriers on the Gulf. In fact, this revived enterprise will become the one - so necessary for Rosneft and Novotek, the SECOND super-shipyard, because they simply do not have one Big Stone.

        Yes, and to serve in the future “Kuznetsov” handy in the warm seas - a school desk for future aces of carrier-based aviation.
        In the Black and Mediterranean Seas.
        Where the conditions for the training of deck-based pilots are simply ideal.
        And the pilots thus prepared in the future will be transferred to the newly built aircraft carriers and sent to the place of the new military service - to the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet.
        "Admiral Kuznetsov" is interesting for the fleet precisely in such a noble role.
        hi
      3. Victor_B 13 March 2020 04: 58 New
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        The damage is definitely great - shipbuilders tentatively estimate its size at 300 million rubles.
        Well, and what is the matter to the Ministry of Defense?
        Due to the fault of the ship repair plant, an accident occurred, let them repair it at their own expense!
        What's wrong?
        AT THE ACCOUNT OF PROFIT!
        At a loss!
    2. Nadsor 11 March 2020 08: 55 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      Right! This must not be allowed! The return of Kuznetsov is vital

      This is a matter of principle already .. hi No wonder we literally drove him from under the nose of Svidomo in Crimea, when the empire collapsed
      1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 09: 35 New
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        This is a ship that inspires respect on the seas. And this must be maintained.
        1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 09: 47 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          This is a ship that inspires respect on the seas. And this must be maintained.

          I agree ! It is not without reason that he is so poisoned in neoliberal media and various sabotage suit ..
          Kuzya after modernization, will still show itself in all its glory .. This is not a simple aircraft carrier .. soldier
          1. RMT
            RMT 11 March 2020 10: 21 New
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            "different sabotage suit .." What are you talking about?
            1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 10: 50 New
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              Quote: RMT
              "different sabotage suit .." What are you talking about?

              Yes, all from the same .. Or do you think that our “Kuzyu” is haunted by setbacks and slovens on the verves?
              They want to modernize Kuzya to the fullest and it will not just be an aircraft carrier .. You can kick, but some are obviously trying to write it off and clap your hands when they saw it ..
              1. RMT
                RMT 11 March 2020 14: 47 New
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                Write off and clap your hands, I agree with this. Naval and land commanders have been arguing about its capabilities and prospects for a long time. Opinions are completely opposite. And you, I think, correctly said "pursuit of failure and sloven in the shipyards." Sloppiness! The consequences are such that saboteurs cannot be done. Fires at shipyards have occurred more than once. By the way, now I was trying to remember the fire at the tank factories, and nothing came to mind.
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                  RMT 11 March 2020 14: 48 New
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                  Write off and clap a lot of people who want to, but this is not my opinion.
            2. Barkun 11 March 2020 12: 36 New
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              But it’s quite reasonable: “The first time you look for chance, the second - coincidence, and the third - the enemy" :)))
          2. Marine engineer 11 March 2020 22: 34 New
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            “And they are doing different sabotage ..”

            When you drink at least a snack or something.
    3. GTYCBJYTH2021 12 March 2020 01: 56 New
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      As a floating target, right?
    4. Pavel73 12 March 2020 04: 55 New
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      Everything is correct. Unless you forget that such a ship is not for war, at least with an equal or superior enemy. It is needed exclusively to maintain Russia's competence in the field of carrier-based aviation. You cannot steal what you have learned.
    5. Igor E. 13 March 2020 12: 04 New
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      I’m a simple citizen and I understand that this ship should be with a nuclear propulsion system! I think that if they don’t understand this, they don’t understand it in the leadership, so in my opinion it is not competent and the top leadership is engaged by competitive states!
  2. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 07: 08 New
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    However, letting the knife for the sake of short-term interests is unique and unparalleled warship there will be no one
    Finally, the correct application of the concept. Thanks to the author!
  3. Ross xnumx 11 March 2020 07: 10 New
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    The damage is unambiguously large - shipbuilders tentatively estimate its size at 300 million rubles. Many experts look at such estimates with skepticism, believing that the numbers are underestimated.

    ГrafArant considers accounts in his account ... wassat We’ll also settle accounts with you ... belay
    Some miserable 300 ... Tea is not out of my pocket ... Here, they will spend almost 000 times more on "vital" amendments ... laughing
    At least, they will spend at least XNUMX% on the organization and conduct of voting on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation 14 billion. This follows from the order of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The document is published on the official Internet portal of legal information. Photo: "BUSINESS Online".
    1. bayard 12 March 2020 04: 36 New
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      Some miserable 300 ... Tea is not out of my pocket ... Here, they will spend almost 000 times more on "vital" amendments ...

      And do you think the constitution written by American advisers and CIA officers is nicer? In which there is no law on a referendum (therefore, a "popular vote" and not a referendum), but there is juvenile justice and the "Law on the Central Bank"?
      Does that really suit you?
      And the "Budget Rule"?
      And "Pension Reform" by order of the World Bank?
      And the American consulting companies that write laws to the State Duma (so far, and THIS - by law).
      Or do you still see the self-interest of the “Guarantor of the Constitution”?
      So he is this guarantor, this constitution also rules.
      Not for the sake of a new term, but for WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. For the sake of what, all these years, Russia has gathered FORCES.
      To finally get rid of the fact that under Yeltsin, weights were hung on her neck with weights.
      At least you include your brain, and do not follow the tantrums of custom-made clicks.
      And I agree for a new term for Putin, for I do not observe a figure of equal scale and competence in either the country or the whole world.
      And if it is impossible to hold a referendum under the Law, then let there be a popular vote, I like this phrase even more - in Russian it completely reveals the essence, and not the alien aliens of the newspeak. hi
      1. Ross xnumx 12 March 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: bayard
        Or do you still see the self-interest of the “Guarantor of the Constitution”?
        So he is this guarantor, this constitution also rules.
        Not for the sake of a new term, but for WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. For the sake of what, all these years, Russia has gathered FORCES.

        I went on a long journey, and you, along with amendments to the constitution, compiled according to the patterns of the West by Putin’s leader Sobchak quickly and quickly in front of me.
        I was comfortable with the USSR Constitution of 1977 ... Is there no law on referendum? That's what I see EBN put the device on the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, and his successor did not even consider 3 signatures against pension reform.
        Amendment initiator, say? Only public interest? It is a pity that the bulk of the population of Russia is not included in this community, which lives happily at ease in Russia.
        Do not try to raise a topic in which you do not understand anything.
        hi
        1. bayard 12 March 2020 09: 35 New
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          Quote: ROSS 42
          I was happy with the USSR Constitution of 1977

          And that Constitution completely suited me. Like the State in which I was born, I grew up and served in the officer rank.
          But that State has long ceased to exist ... To my great regret.
          And that State was destroyed by that same “mind, honor and conscience ... of an era” - the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Politburo and their instrument - the KGB of the USSR (it is not unfortunate for me to write about this, but believe me, I know too much, including some characters of those events).
          Quote: ROSS 42
          That's what I look EBN put the device on a referendum on the preservation of the USSR

          He was not appointed for this.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          and his successor did not even consider 3 signatures against pension reform.

          There are circumstances stronger than us. Even stronger than the will of the leader of a country like Russia. It was a reaction to the ultimatum. A very serious ultimatum. And God forbid you ever to face such a choice.
          The answer went only now, and we are only observing the first steps of this answer.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Amendment initiator, say? Only public interest? It is a pity that the bulk of the population of Russia is not included in this community, which lives happily at ease in Russia.

          Nekrasov, of course, is a great Russian writer and poet, but over the entire history of recent centuries, only short periods of time ... of her Soviet period, lived freely and merrily.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do not try to raise a topic in which you do not understand anything.

          You are talking to a stranger. How do you know the depth of my knowledge and the degree of understanding of what is known?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I went on a long journey, and you, along with amendments to the constitution, compiled according to the patterns of the West by Putin’s leader Sobchak quickly and quickly in front of me.

          Well, why are you going so far? I didn’t send you there (and indeed), and I didn’t give an assessment of what you said (written), as I do not even now. The emotional attitude to what is happening over the past two years is quite clear to me, and I have the same emotions.
          The level of knowledge about the meanings of what is happening is different. But explaining these meanings against the background of the emotional nerve is far from grateful, it is much easier to spit on the obvious that has crawled to the surface. I myself sometimes do this ... but I know the meaning of what is happening.
          Only now to the drafting of the "Constitution of 93" Putin is still not involved. This is an obvious fact.
          To fulfill - is obliged, as well as to guarantee its execution ...
          But FIX ... now - maybe. Together with all of us.
          After all, it was approved by the All-Russian Referendum.
          Do you remember?
          And they approved it secondly (including) that there can no longer be referenda.
          Dexterously?
          Cleverly turned out.
          They did it.
          Then.
          But now there will be a popular vote.
          ... gracefully ...
          Do you even understand that the main point of this action is the abolition of the supremacy of international law over Russian?
          THIS IS IMPORTANT!
          Everything else is trash.
          You are being bred for trash to vote for the "American" constitution.
          Thinking that you are voting against the "damned regime."
          Once again you are bred.
          That's why I say - turn on your head.
          It is important .
          Not emotions are important. No offense.
          It is important to REMOVE THIS YARMO.
          And deal with the rest in working order.
          ... or you do not like the restrictions for officials?
          Or was the king so disgusting that it was not a pity to burn the Country?
          1. Ross xnumx 12 March 2020 12: 22 New
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            Do not want to quickly go ahead of me? Your modesty is laudable, at least in this. And then you painted here “under Khokhloma” your “unprecedented” merits and “unheard of” postulates. I won’t tell you a lot, on YuoTube many authors and very educated people have erased their languages ​​to blisters, telling and proving to you - diplomas, and your idols - candidates of economic sciences and Roman law, what is “good” and what is “bad”. Therefore, I will be brief, because, as the writer - author of "Kashtanka" said: "Brevity is the sister of talent."
            Quote: bayard
            And I agree for a new term for Putin, for I do not observe a figure of equal scale and competence in either the country or the whole world.
            And if it is impossible to hold a referendum under the Law, then let there be a popular vote, I like this phrase even more - in Russian it completely reveals the essence, and not the alien aliens of the newspeak.

            Do you agree on a new term for Putin? But what about the law, but what about the Constitution of the Russian Federation? Or is it so written there? You began to share the skin without killing the bear. For me, Putin ended with a phrase with a grin - “she drowned ...” Under the referendum law, it can be held. Only conduct according to the law, according to the rules, without looking for loopholes and opportunities for using administrative resources. A vote on the approved by "Edrom" of the State Duma does not mean at all that this party has the right to express the majority after the laws "beloved by all the people"
            Quote: bayard
            But now there will be a popular vote.
            ... gracefully ...
            Do you even understand that the main point of this action is the abolition of the supremacy of international law over Russian?
            THIS IS IMPORTANT!

            Voting - EVENING. That campaign around the amendments is a “edrosovsky” farce against the background of lost authority and the right to make decisions on behalf of the people. Even if in fear of being out of power together with a corrupt successor - who sold the basic rights and freedom of the people for the sake of the oligarchic elite.
            Quote: bayard
            ... or you do not like the restrictions for officials?
            Or was the king so disgusting that it was not a pity to burn the Country?

            What are the restrictions for officials who would be nice to me. Maybe this is the lack of dual citizenship? Or is it inaccessibility to real estate, business and assets abroad? Or is it the openness of the income statement of each official and, most importantly, the correspondence of these incomes to expenses? What are these "overgrowing bees" put forward against "honey"? Or maybe they made time limits (returned to their original position)? Or age restrictions, when after the age of 65 they have set, people are not entitled to keep servants moving in closed spaces?
            Remember! This is your first king, and I, as Alexander Sergeyevich said:
            “I saw three kings: the first ordered me to take off my cap and scolded my nanny for me; the second did not favor me; the third one, even though he put me in prison for old age, I don’t want to exchange him for the fourth; from good they do not seek good. ”
            The king will die sooner or later. The rulers in Russia were greater and more literate than Putin, and, most importantly, independent of some thieving nomenclature, the memory of which lies in his desk in the form of a party ticket.
            And there’s not much left to burn in the country. Taiga? Industrial enterprises? Agriculture? Mamai walked through the country, and you want to perpetuate him ...
            In its place, it was necessary to give an order to lay a conduit to the Crimea (for 5 years we would have done a lot of things), and he gave the right to accomplices to scatter oil and gas pipes in order to increase their loot ...
            hi
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              Quote: ROSS 42
              Do not want to quickly go ahead of me? Your modesty is laudable, at least in this. And then you painted here

              I can direct it on foot and on horseback, but I don’t like it. Especially for the eyes.
              And briefly you did not succeed:
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Therefore, I will be brief, because, as the writer - author of "Kashtanka" said: "Brevity is the sister of talent."

              Well, everyone has their own truth, and only Truth is one. He who does not know the truth has his own truth.
              I did not defend the government for its decisions and actions, I talked about the fact that it is necessary to get out of the position of slave colonial dependence. You insist:
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Do you agree on a new term for Putin? But what about the law, but what about the Constitution of the Russian Federation? Or is it so written there?

              What constitution are you talking about now? Americans spelled out? And they said that it was milder than the 1977 sample. Was that the time prescribed?
              And who said that is SO more correct?
              Won Lukashenko how many times already elected, well, do not shout about usurpation?
              The right to vote must be the same for everyone. If the People want to have such a ruler for themselves, this is their right. And in endless elections they play only puppets. And puppets must be replaceable.
              Roosevelt got out four times in a row. And that was by law. Then the law was changed - to make it easier to turn puppets.
              Do you want to help anyone twirl?
              Quote: ROSS 42
              For me, Putin ended with a phrase with a grin - "she drowned ..."

              And what do you have to do with the Kursk nuclear submarine?
              On this boat the only son of my father’s friend died. And his father did not survive for long after learning about the tragedy - they buried him in one year, they are in one enclosure.
              What do you know, except for YouTube language abrasors?
              Who is your idol?
              Zyuganov?
              Grudinin?
              Platoshkin?
              Bulk?
              Do you even know to whom and WHY he then grinned?
              Do you even remember who asked the question and why?
              He then simply cut off all their next workpieces.
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And there’s not much left to burn in the country. Taiga? Industrial enterprises? Agriculture? Mamai walked around the country, and you want to immortalize him

              What country do you live in? ... little is left for him to burn ...
              Quote: ROSS 42
              In its place it was necessary to give an order to lay a conduit to the Crimea

              Not really from the Crimea?
              Ai malatsa!
              And how does he sit behind the Russian Army? Is it cozy?
              But we have to defend our choice with weapons in our hands.
              Since 2014, now I quit smoking - arrivals again ... So what are weeping about? What is not reported to the bowl?
              The bridge is small - give the pipe?
              A good lip is not a fool.
              Or maybe it’s better to build a bridge across the Volga in Saratov or Engels - does it hurt too far to travel around?
              But the authorities are investing in the Crimea - roads, interchanges, infrastructure, energy, the airport ... not enough for him ... he overthrows Putin ...
              Although I received a Russian citizen’s passport quite recently (even though I was born in the Urals), I have never handed over my Soviet passport. And having such a mentality as yours, I would now have much more reasons for resentment and discontent. but do not wait.
              This is skinning and consumerism.
              He didn’t have a pipe
              We have been dying for the sixth year here ... and not for the right to advocate for the occupation constitution and the rules established by the Americans, like you.
          2. Marine engineer 12 March 2020 14: 35 New
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            The ROOS 42 colleague is right and you are not. For a post about the Chinese, plus.
      2. Machito 12 March 2020 22: 00 New
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        Interestingly, Kuzya will be longer in repair than the GDP in the presidential chair?
  4. zxc15682 11 March 2020 07: 15 New
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    "a warship that has no analogues at present" is all the pain in words ...
  5. Mytholog 11 March 2020 07: 17 New
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    How many comers got out to write off “Kuzyu”. Figs to them, the old man still resembles a flag.
    1. vadsonen 11 March 2020 12: 16 New
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      How many comers got out to write off “Kuzyu”. Figs to them, the old man still resembles a flag.

      It’s like it, but can it solve any military tasks? He’s been repairing all his life since launching.
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        He’s been repairing all his life since launching.

        The only reassuring thing is that the De Gaulle frogmen are even cooler in this regard.
      2. bayard 12 March 2020 04: 44 New
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        Rejuvenated, and he can.
        After repair, its main task is to prepare carrier-based combat pilots for the future of the Navy and its aircraft carriers.
        And to carry out combat missions, it will depend on the training of pilots and the technical condition of the materiel. "Vikramaditya" then among the Hindus it serves ... richly.
      3. Siberian54 12 March 2020 08: 10 New
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        A military campaign in Syria at the moment when a certain prezik declared "the economy of the Russian Federation is torn to shreds" paid for all expenses for it, both political and economic (Turkey missed our supply ships to Syria when the convoy went to the Atlantic)
  6. novel66 11 March 2020 07: 17 New
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    but we want to !! there are still arguments for deck aviation ?? where is the concept?
    1. Serg65 11 March 2020 10: 24 New
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      Stay at home today! The courier will bring the package with the concept .... do not forget to sign it! wink
      Healthy hi
      1. novel66 11 March 2020 10: 44 New
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        Hello! hi I can’t take it anymore, let it carry me to work, then I’ll sign it
  7. The leader of the Redskins 11 March 2020 07: 26 New
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    Wow! Haraluzhny and not a word about Dill? Not familiar like that ...
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Wow! Haraluzhny and not a word about Dill? Not familiar like that ...

      I will quench, as I can, your thirst for Ukraine: Tavkr "Admiral Kuznetsov" was built in the Ukrainian SSR at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in Nikolaev.
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        TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" was built in the Ukrainian SSR at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in Nikolaev.


        Here, as it were, a little from a different angle, I think not for me alone, the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr was built in the USSR. And for the USSR it is not particularly important at which shipyard, there were several of them. The choice was simply made for a number of reasons. This is what I could build at another shipyard, so that shipyard remained in Ukraine - well, how many ships were built there?
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          Quote: user
          that shipyard remained in Ukraine - well, how many ships were built there?

          It is strange that you perceived the Ukrainian SSR as an “independent Ukraine”, and not as one of the 15 republic republics ...
          Is, in his caustic comment, about craving Leader of the Redskins to the "news of the outskirts", could I use some other name besides the Ukrainian SSR?
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      and not a word about Dill?

      It's a shame, yes?
      1. Unusual. With the rhythm of life knocks.
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          Go to the Censor, there your karma will be slightly corrected!
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  8. rocket757 11 March 2020 07: 33 New
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    Be that as it may, the Russian Navy simply does not exist an alternative to the return of the Tavkr, which some have already hurried to write off.

    Everything has a beginning .... everything should have a logical end!
  9. vic02 11 March 2020 08: 07 New
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    There will soon be a bold cross throughout the industry. OSK President Aleksey Rakhmanov proposed to the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, to reorganize the Krylov State Scientific Center (KSCC) and virtually eliminate it. Mr. Rakhmanov proposes to transfer his key assets to USC, and the rest - to merge into the Federal State Budgetary Institution. "At the same time, departments of the SCSC, including hydroaerodynamics, propulsion, structural strength, physical fields of ships and acoustics, mathematical modeling, and also model production can enter the" compact testing center for collective use "in the format of the FSBI, Mr. Rakhmanov believes. Https : //www.korabel.ru/news/comments/v_osk_predlozhili_rasformirovat_krylovskiy_gosudarstvennyy_nauchnyy_centr.html https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4283295



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    1. Aviator_ 11 March 2020 08: 23 New
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      If Mr. Rakhmanov (don’t think that sir) considers it necessary to tear up the Krylovsky Center, then this will be the death of a scientific approach to the problems of shipbuilding. In the aviation industry, they have been trying to do something similar with TsAGI for many years, here Alyoshin (AvtoVAZ reformer) was general director for some time, but so far TsAGI has been holding on. And Alyoshin became an academician. Rakhmanov not going to academics?
    2. d4rkmesa 11 March 2020 08: 27 New
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      Precisely, competitors are removed "just in case". Too many layouts of aircraft carriers and other ships lit up. This prevents OSK and the Nevsky Design Bureau from finally selling the Ulyanovsk project once again to the fleet, brushing off the dust and redrawing the CAD drawings from the mice eaten under the guise of a new one.
      1. Constanty 11 March 2020 09: 48 New
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        And where will the poor improved Ulyanovsk project be?

        The project was developed at the time of well-trained personnel, based on the experience of previous ships. Even the Mayak steam catapults were manufactured and tested.

        It is enough to update the project, changing it from TAVKR to a real full-blooded aircraft carrier, replacing the “granites” and the trampoline on the bow with another catapult and a ship, definitely better than the “Admiral Kuznetsov”.
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          Quote: Constanty
          It is enough to update the project, changing it from TAVKR to a real full-blooded aircraft carrier, replacing the “granites” and the trampoline on the bow with another catapult and a ship, definitely better than the “Admiral Kuznetsov”.

          The problem is that 1143.7 was designed for a completely different industry - half of its subcontractors died in the 90s. Plus 90% of the projected REO is no longer available or out of date. And to change the REO is to re-solve the issue of EM-compatibility and redesign the laying of cable routes.
          1. Constanty 11 March 2020 11: 29 New
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            This is all true, but it is probably easier to clarify / improve a completed project than to start over from scratch. I think so, although I could be wrong, of course.
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            Aleksey, yes now it’s not necessary to push atomic monsters, but to build the ships NECESSARY ON FUNCTIONAL SERIES.
            What is the use of the “white elephant” on the atomic course in a single copy in twenty years?
            Where to build it?
            At what capacities and by what personnel?
            When it will be possible to start THIS and how long will this song (construction / long-term construction) last?
            About ten years later - no sooner, it will be possible to start (only then competencies and personnel will appear, and capacities / cooperation will be determined) and build 10 years more. Then a few more years to put into operation, learn, train the crew, gain experience in combat services and long-distance campaigns ...
            This is not a realistic approach.
            Yes, and the fleet does not need such a monster ... in one or two copies.
            It’s another matter if, abandoning the illusions of atomic supercarriers, you set yourself and the industry realistic tasks — a series of NON-ATOMIC / gas turbine aircraft carriers of the MEDIUM displacement of 40-50 thousand tons. With catapults (electromagnetic - they were developed in the USSR and even passed tests successfully), AWACS (Yak-44 revive, tea documentation remained in the design bureau) and an air wing of 24 fighters (MiG-35K will do quite well) and 12-14 helicopters PLO and PS.
            This is a realistic goal, quite achievable in the medium term.
            And the price of such ABs, especially during the series construction, will be quite acceptable. The developers promise 1,5 - 2 billion dollars. without an air wing. In such cases, the cost of one "Storm" \ "Manatee" can be 4 (!!!) medium aircraft carrier to build.
            And at the same time.
            And the cost of the life cycle of such ABs will be an order of magnitude cheaper than that of an atomic monster, and the basic infrastructure will be needed easier ... and the development of personnel is also easier.
            And to build such ships is where - the Kerch "Bay". This year, the first two UDCs of the VI will be laid down 25 tons, they will train, accumulate competencies (maybe the Fleet will order a couple of the same UDCs), and there it will already be possible to start the construction of medium-sized aircraft carriers. The infrastructure there allows - there is a huge dock, huge slipways. Corresponding cranes and other equipment, by the time the work begins, I think will already be deployed.
            And this enterprise is not the first to build ships of such a VI for this enterprise - there supertankers also built lighter carriers (including one nuclear, it still runs along the NSR).
            And the climate there is suitable, and the conditions for testing.
            And these power ALREADY IS.
            And SUCH ships can be built there in 5 years.
            And the construction cycle of SUCH ships will be much shorter than their atomic counterparts.
            Therefore, the conclusion is that this type of aircraft-carrying ships, our industry is ABLE to build in the coming years. With a competent approach and good organization, the entire series of 4-6 ships) can be built in 15-20 years. And at the cost of the whole series comes out ... as another Crimean bridge ... Although the whole program will require much higher costs - coastal infrastructure, air wing, preparation of l / s ...
            But this, nevertheless, is much more preferable than looking from year to year at the model models of atomic ABs, which the Navy will never see ... And if you suddenly see it someday ... it is unlikely to be happy. hi
    3. Xnumx vis 11 March 2020 08: 52 New
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      Sami blew up "Korea", we ourselves will sink the "Varyag" ................
    4. donavi49 11 March 2020 09: 37 New
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      Well, the model has long been necessary to transfer to self-sufficiency and the markets. Let saw modelki for private traders. Anyway, the level of development they have is the same.

      The remaining departments, including a pool unique to Russia, are still needed. Computer simulation is an advanced topic that is used by everyone. But full-scale testing of models for another 30-40 years will be mandatory.
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        Quote: donavi49
        But full-scale testing of models for another 30-40 years will be mandatory.

        Field tests of the latest technology and elements of the latest technology will always be relevant, unless, of course, the technology implements new operating principles and unique parameters.
    5. Serg65 11 March 2020 10: 26 New
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      Soon there will be a bold cross throughout the industry

      This bold cross has been promised for 30 years and still nothing!
      1. vic02 11 March 2020 10: 52 New
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        Yes, yes, but where are the newly built cruisers, destroyers, submarines with VNEU? Or is your fleet personalized yachts for the price of these cruisers?
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          Quote: vic02
          Yes, yes, but where are the newly built cruisers, destroyers, submarines with VNEU?

          Yes, there, where their ideological inspirers stuck them !!!
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            My ideological inspirers for 30 years from 1945 to 1975 created the 2nd fleet in combat power in the world at that time and a scientific and technological reserve, including research institutes, on which your ideological inspirers have been traveling for 30 years without creating anything and ruining what happened created.
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              Quote: vic02
              My ideological inspirers for 30 years from 1945 to 1975 created the 2nd fleet in combat power in the world

              Would it be interesting to smash that 2nd power fleet into boats?
              Quote: vic02
              your ideological inspirers have been traveling for 30 years, not creating anything, and ruining what was created during the campaign.

              what Those. is it modern rulers who ruined and plundered the country and navy in honesty? What does the CPSU have to do with it? Zyuganov in the 90s and zero what did you do? And Grudinin?
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                Quote: Serg65
                Those. is it modern rulers who ruined and plundered the country and navy in honesty? What does the CPSU have to do with it? Zyuganov in the 90s and zero what did you do? And Grudinin?

                Why drag in pawns. not directly related to public administration.
                Zyuganov distracts citizens from the political struggle. imitating the opposition ...
                He is not a communist. not a Bolshevik. just a social democrat ...
                The collapse in the 1990s deepened so much that almost nothing was left of state property.
                By the way, the restoration of state property takes place in a strange way ...
                Indeed, the CPSU built the fleet, and did not fall apart.
                EBNa do not need to drag in ... everything is clear with him.
                But the work of state corporations is organized in such a way that the success of the industry of the USSR to us today, as before the moon.
                Unfortunately, unlike communist China.

                Restore "Admiral Kuznetsov" must be.
                Rather, to upgrade.
                1. Marine engineer 11 March 2020 23: 34 New
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                  All right. I will only add the “weakness” of state corporations to the merit of those who have been sitting in the Kremlin for 20 years.
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                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  Why drag in pawns. not directly related to public administration.

                  The pawns were in the CPSU and voted unanimously for all the decisions of the Politburo and the congresses of their party!
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  Zyuganov distracts citizens from the political struggle. imitating the opposition ...

                  I don’t know what he’s imitating there, but from its submission all the Communists quite recently drove for Bourgeois Grudinin, and now they are also bowing down the swindler and liar Platoshkin all together, which in itself speaks of the deepest crisis in the left movement!
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  He is not a communist.

                  laughing The deputy head of one of the leading departments of the Central Committee is definitely not a communist !!!
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  almost nothing remained of state property.

                  Last year, there were 17 thousand state unitary enterprises!
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  Indeed, the CPSU built the fleet, and did not fall apart.

                  The whole country built the fleet under the leadership of the CPSU! Now about the collapse! Hero of the Soviet Union, Admiral of the Fleet, Commander in Chief of the Navy, Member Central Committee of the CPSU Chernavin V.N., Fleet Admiral, Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, member of the CPSU, Deputy of the Supreme Council of the USSR Gromov FN, Admiral of the Fleet, Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, member of the CPSU, Deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR V.I. Kuroedov are one of the main culprits of the collapse of the fleet and they were all active members of the CPSU !!!
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  the work of state corporations is organized in such a way that the success of the industry of the USSR to us today, as before the moon.

                  Do not write off live!
              2. vic02 12 March 2020 08: 43 New
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                Would it be interesting to smash that 2nd power fleet into boats?
                Decided to blunt? The cruiser ocean zone project 58-4, 1134-4, 1123-2, BOD 1134 a / b - 12 to 76 g, total 17. Total 22/27 ships 1/2 of the rank of new projects, and not converted 30-40 years.
  10. ermak124.0 11 March 2020 09: 09 New
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    Aircraft carrier? Or is it a cruiser ???
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      Carrier cruiser. Cruiser, because in service must be cruise missiles such as "Granite".
  11. Yrec 11 March 2020 09: 21 New
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    After the Kuzi’s unsuccessful trip to Syria, I changed the mooring wall and, after some time, scrapped it. I was then bombarded. Actually, they drove him there to confirm this. We have neither infrastructure, nor technology, nor a crew / pilot training system at a sufficient level. What it is is unique and in single copies, the economy of war does not accept this. We do not have a carrier fleet in the foreseeable future. The fire at the Kuz, the flooding of the dock and other smaller emergency situations simply yell about it. "Kuzya", as a combat unit of the fleet, has exhausted itself.
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      And what exactly is unsuccessful, or is this just balabalism?
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      And why vang it, even before going to Syria, defense mines reported that, after the campaign, the “blacksmiths” would be repaired.
  12. Vladimir SHajkin 11 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    "Admiral Kuznetsov" is needed, and still need to build two units + landing helicopter carriers.
    Yes, the ekranoplanes would be the best solution, but so far they are only in the project, but how much easier and more efficient it is to have ekranoplanes instead of aircraft carriers and the opportunities and tasks are expanding and cheaper.
  13. Grafova Irina 11 March 2020 09: 34 New
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    I wonder what he will do after returning to duty. What is the rationale for its "need"? Besides the fact that he is one such and unique
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    Ah, bare thoughts ...

    And 300 million. That is the price of one apartment in the center of Moscow ... So it will be so, the terms will be extended, and as a combat training it is quite, quite ...
  15. pmkemcity 11 March 2020 10: 21 New
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    What is this article about?
  16. Victor Leningradets 11 March 2020 10: 34 New
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    Kuznetsov must be converted into a combat training aircraft carrier to train crews and develop tactics of naval combat with the network-centric use of aerial vehicles. ABACS and VKP launch vehicles should remain on the deck, and (possibly) the basing of PLO helicopters is provided. The bow should be given for the launch of unmanned aerial robots, attack and air defense. And, of course, electronic warfare.
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      I agree. Relocate it somewhere warmer somewhere in the Black Sea Fleet, for example. It’s not necessary to have a training aircraft carrier in the Arctic.
      1. Alexey RA 11 March 2020 14: 55 New
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        I agree. Relocate it somewhere warmer somewhere in the Black Sea Fleet, for example. It’s not necessary to have a training aircraft carrier in the Arctic.

        And we will also ask the enemy to fight somewhere warmer? wink
        The main theater of naval aviation is the north (“to the corner” and “around the corner”) and TO (Kamchatka, Kuril Islands, Sea of ​​Okhotsk).
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          A “reserve airdrome” in the literal sense of the Mediterranean would not be in the way right now. Especially if you dream, surrounded by missile destroyers.
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    Can still not mock the veteran? The systems are worn out, the communication paths are the same. Put at the "wall" as a museum. As a monument to a great, but still bygone era.
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    Quote: Cyrus
    And what exactly is unsuccessful, or is this just balabalism?

    What’s good? The loss of 2 aircraft during operation, the combat load of decked aircraft is several times lower than usual, with the corresponding result, we have fewer pilots of decked aircraft than astronauts. I’m not even talking about the cost of operating a single complex. All this was obvious even before Syria, they drove him there to admonish especially stubborn warriors, whom the glory of the "mistress of the seas" does not give rest.
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      You already forgot everything, so it was a long time ago .. The Bulgarians closed the skies for military transport aircraft, in the Bosphorus, the NATO watchmen launched an attack on our transports, naturally went to ram and rammed .. And at that time he went "kuzya" Instead of a dock on a hike, under the howl of liberals and the “democratic press”, he reached Tartus and the weapons he brought brought Assad’s troops to quickly take the fortified area of ​​Aleppo with minimal damage to the city’s infrastructure. And generally stabilize the situation in the country
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    Arguments about the damage from the fire are completely groundless. It is still not known which specific energy compartment was burning. And this is a big difference, or a compartment with the main turbines, or DG, or boilers, etc.
    1. Marine engineer 11 March 2020 22: 57 New
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      “Which particular energy compartment was burning. And this is a big difference, or a compartment with the main turbines, or DG, ”

      With DG.
  20. mik193 11 March 2020 15: 51 New
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    Honestly, our private shipbuilders need to be put up against the wall in one. They sold, betrayed and prosrali all the present and future of the domestic fleet. These creatures consider only loot in their pockets.
  21. tech3030 11 March 2020 17: 46 New
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    Not bad saboteurs work, they almost drowned and then nearly burned. The third part of the Marleson ballet will be ?!
    1. huntsman650 11 March 2020 18: 12 New
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      The most dangerous saboteurs are conscripts)))
      1. Alexey RA 11 March 2020 19: 08 New
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        The most dangerous saboteurs are conscripts)))

        As usual, our sailor is unusually curious and extremely playful. Running along the corridor of the only aircraft carrier in Russia, he thoughtlessly poked a button on a pretty unsealed device with his dirty finger and a nibbled fingernail, and hearing a loud pop and the sound of pouring water behind the bulkhead, joyfully jumped and rushed into the bread slicer to steal butter. What does it matter to him that within a few seconds he incapacitated immediately more than a hundred of the best air-to-air anti-aircraft missiles in the world, for each of which the once fraternal Ukraine is fighting over more than one hundred thousand dollars with us according to the best world standards.
        © Vice Admiral Radzevsky
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          In reality, there was such a topic on the BPC, tundryuk, Tuvimian turned on irrigation of the turret. In the explanatory he wrote that it was dark, he wanted to turn on the light.
  22. Rudkovsky 11 March 2020 18: 43 New
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    Who will send it to the scrap if on it it is still possible to master (plunder) grandiose funds for repairs and modernizations for ten or two years?
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    It’s much cheaper to bring to mind a satellite targeting system and rivet frigates and submarines with missiles. It’s all the same for us not to keep up with the Ami, and now the Chinese
    1. Nikolai Redko 12 March 2020 20: 51 New
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      And do not chase in aircraft carriers. But to have some will have to! For example 3. The fact is that in recent years, Putin brought Russia to the level of global politics. And at this level you need to have a certain number of aircraft carriers - peacetime ships with the assignment of "police" functions to them. As well as ships of the Mistral type. Such ships, in fact, are mobile national military bases for forcing peace in regional conflicts or for being in the “right” place so that conflicts do not go into the hot phase. Somehow I imagine a modern view of these monsters. I do not see the place of aircraft carriers in the global war.
  24. ont65 12 March 2020 15: 20 New
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    The USSR, with its own vision of projecting power, had a series of ships of this class, and with the appropriate environment,. such a ship is only an integral part of the strike force with landing, missile and other ships capable of ironing everything within reach and securing success directly by landing, in order to bring 'consensus' to this or that part of the world, and not just wipe it from the face of the earth. would have goals and objectives for this business. Do Russia have the same ones? At least obviously it didn’t sound anywhere. Kuznetsov seems to have several options for fate. - It will serve where they will prescribe and with what they appoint, if of course they consider it necessary at all.
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    -all this looks like a great and methodical work of saboteurs!
    In order to minimize it, it is high time (using the old drawings) to revise the project, to make Kuznetsov2. Equip it with the most modern systems, transfer the wing to it (for constant combat work) and calmly (given the reworked experience of placing weapons) to modernize the old one. Hone and improve its ergonomics, to gain experience and educate a new generation of young designers in the design of such complex ships.
    PS And the experience of creating aircraft-carrying cruisers must be preserved (passed on to the younger generation), it is unique !!!
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    I do not believe that by 22g. "Kuznetsov" will be combatants. Where are they going to dock for the installation of screws and elementary painting.
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    No, Malyuta, you can’t drag him around the ball into China, but it’s still advisable to drag him around. And drag to the Crimea - to Kerch, in the Gulf Shipyard.

    I applaud while standing !!!
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    "Kuznetsov" is needed! We need pilots with practical skills of working with an aircraft carrier. I think that we also need a ship airfield for drones and drones. The war in Syria has shown their effectiveness. hi
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    It is puzzling that the OSK still hides the real amount of damage from the fire. A week would be enough for this. Therefore, all discussions on the problems of repairing a ship are not more accurate than fortunetelling on coffee grounds.