Ukraine intends to organize the production of Turkish drones

Ukraine intends to organize the production of Turkish drones

Turkey will assist Ukraine in organizing the production of Turkish shock unmanned systems at Ukrainian enterprises. This is stated by the Ministry of Defense of the country.


The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is working on the issue of organizing the production of Turkish drones, while it is reported that Ankara is ready to assist Kiev in this matter. According to former defense minister Andrei Zagorodniuk, who left this post on March 4 when the government changed, “drones are very promising weaponand Turkey has proven this in the fighting in Syria. "

The Ukrainian consulting agency Defense Express said that the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drone, previously delivered to Ukraine, is actively and successfully used in the Spring Shield operation in Idlib province, Syria.

The drone is used not only as a scout and gunner of high-precision weapons, but also for strikes, with high efficiency destroying the military equipment of the Assad regime with the help of light guided munitions MAM-L

- writes the Ukrainian agency.

At the same time, many Western publications specializing in military issues note that the heavy losses of Turkish drones cast doubt on their ability to counter ground-based air defense systems of the Syrian army.

Recall that Kiev received from Ankara six operational-tactical multi-purpose drones Bayraktar TB2, and at the end of 2019, Ukrainian specialists completed training in managing these complexes.

Earlier, the former secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Turchinov declared the necessity of using the Bayraktar TB2 drones transferred by Turkey to Ukraine in the Donbas against the militants of the DPR and Lugansk People’s Republic, following the example of “attacks of Turkish drones in Syria.”
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  1. Siberian 66 7 March 2020 19: 31 New
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    Well, everything, joyful excitement in Ukraine ... I think that someone will help LDNR organize the production of air defense systems on an industrial scale .. In general, I even know who. I really hope that the hype will give way to shock ...
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 March 2020 19: 54 New
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      Considering the amazing ability to reproduce captured weapons in LDNR, as well as the possibility of the participation of vacationers from Russia, who will be allowed by the command to pick up the air defense systems necessary for active recreation, there is no need to organize production.
      1. asv363 7 March 2020 23: 11 New
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        DPR air defense is ready to shoot down Bayraktar drones

      2. businessv 7 March 2020 23: 20 New
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        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Considering the amazing ability to reproduce captured weapons in LDNR, as well as the possibility of the participation of vacationers from Russia, who, on vacation, the command will allow to pick up the air defense systems necessary for active recreation, there is no need to organize production.

        laughing Thank you, colleague, laughed heartily after reading your post! good drinks
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 March 2020 00: 07 New
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          Please drinks
        2. fox_rudy 8 March 2020 02: 58 New
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          Well, here, he laughed, laughed, but did not put a plus sign!
    2. kit88 7 March 2020 20: 03 New
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      Why are you all air defense ... air defense ... We will defend ourselves.
      Yes, they would say already - if you would climb with us with drones or with pilots, we’ll go and take Kiev and no Minsk-3 will save you.
      So let them think.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 March 2020 20: 16 New
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        Quote: kit88
        we will go and take Kiev

        This is adventurism. Entering troops is 10 percent success. It is necessary to keep and clean the territory, this implies the introduction of martial law, filtering the population, getting rid of everyone who can shoot in the back. An unambiguous mobilization is needed, since this direction will divert a lot of forces and it is necessary to block the likelihood of retaliatory actions by NATO countries like Poland. It is all about the possibilities to fulfill this plan, which are not there.
        1. Vasya17 7 March 2020 21: 01 New
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          from China and Turkey overlap what will we? and from Japan to Sakhalin?
          1. St Petrov 7 March 2020 21: 28 New
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            from China and Turkey overlap what will we? and from Japan to Sakhalin?




            who in our right mind dares to send troops? Inside him there is such a revolver with a miracle cure. Even Ukraine does not send. And you understand, this is the most powerful army on the continent. And there is also under water and on land, everything is as it should be for those who have the right to "veto" weighing the existence of life on planet Earth



            and you are about japan. there for a long time with samurai bida.

            1. volodimer 8 March 2020 10: 41 New
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              Opinion of a Japanese veteran about Halkin-Gol, Russians, Americans and modern Japanese youth.
        2. businessv 7 March 2020 23: 27 New
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          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          It is all about the possibilities to fulfill this plan, which are not there.

          Unfortunately, you are right! There was an opportunity in 2014, which we, as always successfully, missed.
        3. maidan.izrailovich 8 March 2020 02: 32 New
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          Entering troops is 10 percent success. It is necessary to keep and clean the territory, this implies the introduction of martial law, filtering the population, getting rid of everyone who can shoot in the back.

          So we get up from the sofas and go help to do everything you listed event.
      2. Insurgent 8 March 2020 01: 21 New
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        Quote: kit88
        we will go and take Kiev

        But do we need Kiev, by force capture, when he himself crawls to us, after a certain time after the complete loss of Donbass by him?
        1. kit88 8 March 2020 01: 40 New
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          So Aristarchus writes that he is not needed.
          We are just talking about different things. I will explain.
          Those who are against - talk about the problems with the "capture", after the "capture", how to integrate it all into a single space. You write that "they crawl themselves."
          I’m saying that if the enemy openly declares that he will bomb you, then in return let him hear that they will also bomb him. And if he goes on the attack, then the "miners" will go on the attack and will not stop closer to Kiev.
          By type when the Soviet Army smashed the Wehrmacht in Germany, it was least interested in the attitude of local residents to it, and what to do with them later. No alternative situation. We didn’t attack, we were forced to go to take Berlin.
          1. Insurgent 8 March 2020 01: 49 New
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            Quote: kit88
            By type when the Soviet Army smashed the Wehrmacht in Germany, it was least interested in the attitude of local residents to it, and what to do with them later. No alternative situation. We didn’t attack, we were forced to go to take Berlin.

            Not the Soviet one yet, but the Red Army at that time. And your assumption that the leadership of the USSR and personally I.V. Stalin did not assess the situation in the liberated territories is also debatable.

            But I’m not so much about this, but about whether we need to invest in something that somehow or other will return to us anyway, for several reasons? And in order to ensure just such a course of events, all that is needed is to limit the influence of the United States on what remains of ex-Ukraine to zero.
            1. kit88 8 March 2020 02: 02 New
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              Of course Red.
              Stalin - I see. The leader of this level is obliged to see the whole picture in its entirety and for 10 years ahead.
              I'm talking about no alternative. If you want, you don’t want, the Germans love you in Germany or don’t love you, but go and take Berlin. No choice.
              And when there is a choice, then of course it's a completely different matter. Here you can not rush.
              hi
              1. Insurgent 8 March 2020 02: 04 New
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                Quote: kit88
                And when there is a choice, then of course it's a completely different matter. Here you can not rush.

                Here, in fact, they agreed ...
        2. maidan.izrailovich 8 March 2020 02: 36 New
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          But do we need Kiev, by forceful capture, when he himself crawls to us ....

          While you wait, the banderization of Kiev will end. And then you have to clean up more and more difficult.
          1. Insurgent 8 March 2020 05: 36 New
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            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            While you wait, the banderization of Kiev will end. And then you have to clean up more and more difficult.

            Here they are, and will be engaged in the eradication of ukronatsizm.

            You know that the most active figures who provoked the famine in the Ukrainian SSR in the 30s of the twentieth century were "local cadres" who contrary to installations of Moscow, wanting to curry favor (Ukrainian mental trait sad ) so "broke the firewood" that it still "goes around", and gives an occasion (contrary to documents and historical facts) to blame Russia and Russians in general for "genocide"?

            I am sure, and in this case, with the cleansing of the neo-Nazis, the "local cadres", but already controlled, will do all the rough work themselves ...
          2. Piramidon 8 March 2020 10: 07 New
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            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            While you wait, the banderization of Kiev will end. And then you have to clean up more and more difficult.

            But why and who should be cleaned up if the “banderization” is over and there are no banderlogs left?
    3. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 20: 09 New
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      Banderland which just does not produce or buys from the Turks, including radio stations. Although when in Zaporozhye there was the Radiopribor plant and the corresponding research institute and the production of radio components, starting with silicon and germanium plates, but now this is not and will never be. So - this is another tale.
      1. Moon 7 March 2020 20: 55 New
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        Quote: TermNachTER
        Although when in Zaporozhye there was a factory "Radio device"

        he wasn’t-but there is-there is even a reorganization (they owe them 11 million subcontractors)
        Today 310 people work at the defense enterprise
        1. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 21: 37 New
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          Do not tell my slippers, what a sanitation - there are bare walls. People ran away - the plant died.
          1. Insurgent 8 March 2020 01: 24 New
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            Quote: TermNachTER
            Do not tell my slippers, what a sanitation - there are bare walls.

            That is such a reorganization, in the Ukrainian manner.
            1. TermNachTer 8 March 2020 17: 36 New
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              From me to the factory - 10 minutes. on foot. The factory has security, plumbers on duty, electricians and management. The whole rehabilitation is that the owners want to close the plant with tax debts, and the tax is trying to "squeeze" at least something. Given the kind of “hole” in the Banderland budget, any penny counts.
      2. SSR
        SSR 7 March 2020 22: 36 New
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        Quote: TermNachTER
        Banderland which just does not produce or buys from the Turks, including radio stations.

        In general, this is all the euphoria of damage to the Syrians from UBLA, such nonsense for specialists. The Syrians initially did not expect attacks from the air from the barmalei, hence the absence of both air defense and vigilance (which is just a miscalculation and profaness), but then even with minimal air defense, there may be electronic warfare, .... Well, okay, maybe we’ll get something new .
        1. volodimer 8 March 2020 11: 02 New
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          I agree that the original pictures with the destruction of Syrian technology could arouse the fragile souls of the skakuas, but as soon as the smallest air defense was organized, the disposal of Turkish devices began. And it all ended with Eddogan’s visit to Moscow.
          If the on / on and will be able to establish the production of such devices (which there are serious doubts), then for her it will be a waste of money. It is possible that deciding to try to poke around at the initial stage, they will get some positive effect, but like in Syria, it will quickly end. Just reconcile how it turned out to Erdogan, they fail.
          1. TermNachTer 8 March 2020 17: 39 New
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            It can and can be established, but for this it is necessary an interested (financially) person who will “push through” this project at the top level in Kuev. These have not yet been observed.
    4. Sarmat Sanych 7 March 2020 20: 31 New
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      Rejepka went to the Sharovarny Reich, crowed “Slavaurine” and infected the compatriots with the xxxlisms. All who would not receive the support of the pan-Turk Turks - they get defeated, the general stupor of politicians and internal civil confrontationlaughing. You don’t have to go far for examples; in Omerig, tens of millions of Republicans are arming themselves against tens of millions of Democrats, jumping in squares, and party candidates themselves interfere with each other with bullshit. The Turks fall into the cauldrons, as the late Tymchuk exaggerate the opponent’s losses by a thousand times and their own mostly have “no losses”, in Turkey itself there is a new Maidan. The same is with Europe.
      By the way, the above cooperation is logical: forelock, shalvars, maidan, tyutyun, hundreds of other Turkisms and habits of rogues - the result of three centuries of possession of the Ottoman Empire by the South Russian lands. However, nothing will work out with the current cooperation, there was such an ancient king Midas, everything he touched — turned into gold, by analogy with it everything that Khhhlumbia turns into — turns into a ramsmile.
      1. tekinoral 8 March 2020 01: 35 New
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        Sarmat Sarmat, you have fantasies, can you write a book?
    5. Insurgent 8 March 2020 02: 12 New
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      Quote: Siberian 66
      I think that someone will help LDNR organize the production of air defense systems on an industrial scale ..

      The LPR received the new EW Triton M1 (video)

      December 16 2019

      Designed in Donetsk electronic warfare station (EW) "Triton M1" entered service with the People’s Militia of the Lugansk People’s Republic.

      1. syndicalist 8 March 2020 23: 29 New
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        EW is absolutely useless against a swarm with autonomous control or with laser-grid control. Only a counter-swarm.
        1. Insurgent 8 March 2020 23: 54 New
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          Quote: syndicalist
          EW is absolutely useless against a swarm

          Do you seriously assume the capabilities of the APU for the presence and use of a swarm of UAVs by them?
  2. jovanni 7 March 2020 19: 31 New
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    Turkey will assist Ukraine in organizing the production of Turkish shock unmanned systems at Ukrainian enterprises

    Something the Kurds somehow unexpectedly live poorly. We would urgently need to provide comprehensive assistance ...
    1. tekinoral 8 March 2020 01: 34 New
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      Give your property and salaries to the Kurds, Help !!!
  3. Amateur 7 March 2020 19: 35 New
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    The Ukrainian consulting agency Defense Express said that the Turkish UAV Bayraktar TB2, previously delivered to Ukraine, is actively and successfully used in the Spring Shield operation in the Idlib province of Syria.


    A.S. Pushkin. The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish
    1. Tuzik 8 March 2020 02: 11 New
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      This picture is about USA
  4. lucul 7 March 2020 19: 35 New
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    Ukraine intends to organize the production of Turkish drones

    Everything rests on the production of small motors there.
    Everything else is not so critical ...
    1. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 21: 40 New
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      Zaporizhzhya motors have already been tested at the Bayraktar, everything is fine. The problem is that no one knows how long Zaporizhzhya Motor will live. His fate is decided in Washington.
  5. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 March 2020 19: 38 New
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    About four years ago, the youngest daughter of Erdogan Emiye married one of the co-owners of the Baikar company Selchuk Bayraktar. This is precisely the merging of business and politicians. The Turkish Ministry of Defense conducts a large-scale UAV advertising company, which produces the company "Baikar". Including Bayraktar TB2 reconnaissance and unmanned aerial vehicles acquired by Ukraine.
    1. Saxahorse 7 March 2020 20: 03 New
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      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Turkish Defense Ministry conducts a large-scale UAV advertising company, which produces the company "Baikar"

      Advertising by advertising, but also a significant return in real combat, is also the place to be. Turkish drones clearly made the whole shock division sweat. The lesson is more than visual, do not underestimate the impact of UAVs.

      Although of course you can ask why it is suddenly so expensive, this is the Bayraktar UAV :) Judging by the analogues, the price was lifted three-four times, no less. Apparently dear son-in-law as a gift laughing
      1. lucul 7 March 2020 20: 15 New
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        Advertising by advertising, but also a significant return in real combat, is also the place to be. Turkish drones clearly made the whole shock division sweat. The lesson is more than visual, do not underestimate the impact of UAVs.

        If the Syrians didn’t have military air defense, helicopters would have made such a rustle, and even much more ...
        1. Tuzik 8 March 2020 02: 19 New
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          Well, firstly, they had something, drones shot down something, secondly, no pilot was injured in downed drones, and thirdly, the turntable had more.
  6. Warrior MorePhoto 7 March 2020 19: 41 New
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    And what about the Corsair drones?
  7. knn54 7 March 2020 19: 41 New
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    Or maybe it’s worth considering why Azerbaijan, which has close relations with Turkey, purchased shock drones from Israel.
    1. Never mind 7 March 2020 19: 51 New
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      Rather, with the help of Azerbaijan, the Turks advanced in production.
      1. Oquzyurd 7 March 2020 20: 37 New
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        How? Azerbaijan is assembling some types of drones. It does not have technology, with some exceptions. If you look at the life path of Seljuk Bayraktar, you can understand how they took possession of the technology of advanced drones.
    2. Oquzyurd 7 March 2020 20: 09 New
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      Azerbaijan purchased Israeli shock drones at a time when Turkey still did not have them and did not produce them.
      1. Romario_Argo 7 March 2020 20: 32 New
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        Azerbaijan purchased Israeli shock drones

        because Armenia does not have Tor-M2 air defense systems with 16 SAMs and 4 TsU channels
      2. Lopatov 7 March 2020 20: 36 New
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        Quote: Oquzyurd
        when Turkey still did not have them and did not produce them.

        However...
        And even a one-year ban on the sale of UAVs to Azerbaijan after the scandal did not stop this.
        1. Oquzyurd 7 March 2020 20: 40 New
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          This is due to complex agreements with Israel, as Azerbaijan purchased from them not only drones, but also radars and air defense systems, as well as MLRS.
          1. Lopatov 7 March 2020 20: 53 New
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            Quote: Oquzyurd
            This is due to comprehensive agreements with Israel.

            What's the difference.
            Israeli Defense Ministry banned sales due to investigation, and Azerbaijan waited. And I didn’t buy from Turkey.
            And a year ago, after the lifting of the ban, I signed a contract for another 13 million
            1. Oquzyurd 7 March 2020 21: 03 New
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              People were given the word that they would buy drones. They keep their word, no matter what. "The Moscow Region banned sales due to an investigation," Apparently they knew the temporary nature of this ban.
              And yet, Azerbaijan is not a large country, but behaves like an adult.
    3. voyaka uh 7 March 2020 22: 01 New
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      When Turkey and Israel were still friends, Turkey received licenses
      on Israeli drones. Mastered production and quickly
      developed her new cars.
      Azerbaijan purchased something else: kamikaze drones and barrage
      ammunition.
      1. Sky strike fighter 7 March 2020 22: 08 New
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        And now why aren't they friends?
        1. voyaka uh 7 March 2020 23: 40 New
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          Erdogan began to "run into" Israel 10-12 years ago.
          Support for Hamas, sending from Turkey "fleets of peace" to Gaza.
          Well, and the support of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Which military
          flooded. First, military cooperation ceased, then
          tourism slowed down. Normal trading continues.
      2. Oquzyurd 8 March 2020 10: 07 New
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        The license is the submission of all documentation for production in Turkey. This situation was not. Several drones were sold, and then the operators and maintenance personnel were Israelis. That is, the Turks were not allowed to the control panel. What kind of license can be discussed in such conditions. Therefore, UAVs flew in the mood of the Israelis, sometimes at the right time for the Turks, then it broke, then not the weather .. etc. With all due respect, that was the case at that time.
        P.S. The visible part was so, but it may be that we don’t know something ..
        1. voyaka uh 8 March 2020 10: 52 New
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          Maybe I don’t know for sure. But there was some kind of exchange of military technology until about 2005.
    4. Aaron Zawi 8 March 2020 00: 02 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Or maybe it’s worth considering why Azerbaijan, which has close relations with Turkey, purchased shock drones from Israel.

      Israel does not produce shock drones.
      1. Nikolaevich I 8 March 2020 04: 22 New
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        Israel does not produce shock drones

        Well, what can I say? It remains. Like that monkey from a joke, grab his head and ... "oh, pi ... rejoicing ... oh, pi ... rejoicing!" In 2004, the first references to the use of drones as a shock rather than reconnaissance force appeared. In 2006, Flightglobal magazine published a report alleging that Israel armed its Heron 1 UAVs with Rafael Spike missiles and actively used them in Lebanon and Gaza. According to the human rights organization Human Rights Watch, during the Second Lebanon War (2006), the Israelis have already completed 9 attacks from UAVs and destroyed 25 Lebanese. In 2007, Palestinians began to argue that Israel increasingly used shock drones instead of the usual helicopters to hit targets in northern Gaza. In 2008, the Heron TP Eitan UAV found widespread use during Operation Cast Lead, where drones are already causing at least 42 air strikes. It was in this operation that control of their own strike UAVs also for the first time passed from the Air Force to the ground forces. In 2009, according to some reports, Israel uses a Hermes 450 UAV for a missile strike on an Iranian caravan of weapons in Sudan. In 2012, during Operation Cloud Pillar, UAVs inflict at least 7 air strikes. According to Aviation Week magazine, in the same 2012, Israel created a separate command to control the UAV strike for missions "over a long distance." In 2013, Israeli drones deliver targeted air strikes against Gaza and Egypt, eliminating selected targets (terrorists). And the use of drones, "kamikaze" (that is, barrage of ammunition ...)? Isn't that a kind of shock UAV?
        PS Israel does not officially recognize the active use of shock UAVs ...
        1. Aaron Zawi 8 March 2020 11: 17 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Israel does not produce shock drones

          Well, what can I say? It remains. Like that monkey from a joke, grab his head and ... "oh, pi ... rejoicing ... oh, pi ... rejoicing!" In 2004, the first references to the use of drones as a shock rather than reconnaissance force appeared. In 2006, Flightglobal magazine published a report alleging that Israel armed its Heron 1 UAVs with Rafael Spike missiles and actively used them in Lebanon and Gaza. According to the human rights organization Human Rights Watch, during the Second Lebanon War (2006), the Israelis have already completed 9 attacks from UAVs and destroyed 25 Lebanese. In 2007, Palestinians began to argue that Israel increasingly used shock drones instead of the usual helicopters to hit targets in northern Gaza. In 2008, the Heron TP Eitan UAV found widespread use during Operation Cast Lead, where drones are already causing at least 42 air strikes. It was in this operation that control of their own strike UAVs also for the first time passed from the Air Force to the ground forces. In 2009, according to some reports, Israel uses a Hermes 450 UAV for a missile strike on an Iranian caravan of weapons in Sudan. In 2012, during Operation Cloud Pillar, UAVs inflict at least 7 air strikes. According to Aviation Week magazine, in the same 2012, Israel created a separate command to control the UAV strike for missions "over a long distance." In 2013, Israeli drones deliver targeted air strikes against Gaza and Egypt, eliminating selected targets (terrorists). And the use of drones, "kamikaze" (that is, barrage of ammunition ...)? Isn't that a kind of shock UAV?
          PS Israel does not officially recognize the active use of shock UAVs ...

          All of the above is nothing more than speculation about UAVs. As for the ammunition barrage, they really are in service with the IDF.
    5. stone 8 March 2020 08: 14 New
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      Because Azerbaijan is not a poor country, unlike Ukraine, and can afford to buy, of course, more advanced and expensive Israeli UAVs. The Turks, by the way, advanced in the production of UAVs, thanks to many years of cooperation with the same Israel.
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      Quote: knn54
      Or maybe it’s worth considering why Azerbaijan, which has close relations with Turkey, purchased shock drones from Israel.

      The price tags are different. Israel apparently hung yellow. laughing
  8. Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 March 2020 19: 42 New
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    Time will tell what this production will result in.
  9. Warrior MorePhoto 7 March 2020 19: 44 New
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    Quote: Siberian 66
    Well, everything, joyful excitement in Ukraine ... I think that someone will help LDNR organize the production of air defense systems on an industrial scale .. In general, I even know who. I really hope that the hype will give way to shock ...


    TOR will do quite well.
    1. Prisoner 7 March 2020 20: 12 New
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      Svidomye and cope. They already have experience. Either the armor goes cracked, then the mortars self-destroy along with the calculation. They’ll come up with something for the UAV.
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    Let them "die" ... The deeper the disappointment.
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 19: 46 New
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    Well, that's what I was talking about. Now Ukraine will increase purchases of these Turkish UAVs and use them in the Donbass.

    The failure of the attack on Idlib could result in even greater failure in the Donbass, in the sky of Syria, pro-Russian forces were masters and there were few things that could be opposed by UAVs with both S-300 and Buki and Torah and Armor, and Bandera would be hosted over Donbass.

    I don’t understand what the difficulty was in keeping the AWACS aircraft in the sky of Syria (and he was already there) to detect UAVs and then attack them with Su-30/34/35 fighters using R-77 missiles ?!

    Or is it all simple and simple, neither our missiles nor our radars see UAVs from composites ?!

    Why were you afraid? What rocket will fly to Turkey? And to hell with her, they would say that the Syrians are shooting, and the Turks have their own missiles and no worse - AIM-120, there are no secrets for them in R-77.

    The Turks were not embarrassed by anyone, they kept in the sky both the AWACS and the F-16 pairs and as soon as they detected something, they immediately opened fire on them, interfered with the electronic warfare systems and fired at UAVs, shooting at tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and Syrian artillery from a dash. And ours were scared to beat the UAV, RUSSIA was AFRAID !!! A SHAME!!!

    But now they tell us what good fellows we are, “bent” Erdogan - they invited us to negotiations, where there is a statue of Catherine 2 and a clock with Cossacks))).

    This Erdogan bent the most combat-ready parts of Syria in front of Russia !!! And this is a shame and it continues !!!

    After the first attacks from UAVs in the Donbass, Russia MANDATORY no matter what, to put in the army of the DPR and LPR air defense systems capable of fighting these drones, the crews for them should already begin to train.
    1. rocket757 7 March 2020 19: 59 New
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      Porridge in the minds of what's here, what's there, the result is the same.
      Some write nonsense, others are ready to pick it up.
      This has nothing to do with the truth.
    2. krillon 7 March 2020 20: 24 New
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      You, in the sense of the request, sent to the General Staff and from there you got an answer that you were afraid? In the Donbass, the letaks landed, which means an opportunity was needed in this. And Syria was not left without anti-aircraft defense, the question is how effectively it uses those systems that are available, at least according to reports, drones are successfully breaking down. The fact that we hear lamentations that more modern systems are not used, means there is no political decision on this issue. In a glass shop, they don’t throw stones.
    3. Kirya 7 March 2020 20: 27 New
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      After the first attacks from UAVs in the Donbass, Russia MANDATORY no matter what, to put in the army of the DPR and LPR air defense systems capable of fighting these drones, the crews for them should already begin to train.

      So, Russia will deliver the Verba MANPADS, which, thanks to its 3-band and sensitive seeker, easily knocks drones to an altitude of 4500 meters and the Garmon radar in addition ... Don’t worry, everything is under control! If necessary, then "Shell-C1"!
      https://topwar.ru/150530-ruchnye-kompleksy-pvo-chast-10-pzrk-verba.html
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 23: 39 New
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        What is MANPADS ?! You look at the maximum height of Turkish UAVs 7-9 km !!!
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        2. Kirya 8 March 2020 00: 22 New
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          Do not worry, everything is under control! If necessary, then "Shell-C1"!

          Did you miss about the Shell-C1?
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 8 March 2020 10: 39 New
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            Did you miss about the Shell-C1?


            I read it, only Russia, even in Syria, did not use its air defense to cover the Syrians, and even more so did not dare to decide over the Donbass.
    4. Sky strike fighter 7 March 2020 20: 45 New
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      in the sky of Syria, pro-Russian forces were masters, and there was little that could oppose the UAV with both the S-300 and Buki and Torah and Armor

      Have you read the article?
      At the same time, many Western publications specializing in military issues note that the heavy losses of Turkish drones cast doubt on their ability to counter ground-based air defense systems of the Syrian army.


      Now Ukraine will increase purchases of these Turkish UAVs and use them in the Donbass.

      Yes, to health, if you don’t feel sorry for the money. They will fire a couple of days until they are all knocked down. Turkish UAVs burn well.
      The failure of the offensive on Idlib

      Are you talking about Turkey? Nothing. It happens. CAA is not Kurds.
      I don’t understand what the difficulty was in keeping the AWACS aircraft in the sky of Syria (and he was already there) to detect UAVs and then attack them with Su-30/34/35 fighters using R-77 missiles ?!

      And who do you think warned the Su-22 about the attack from the Turkish F-16? Regarding the R-77. Enough and Buk-M2E with the Shell-S1 air defense SAA. True, the Turks destroyed two air defense machines.
      and the Turks have their own missiles and no worse - AIM-120

      AIM-120 AMRAAM American missiles, not Turkish.
      This Erdogan bent the most combat-ready parts of Syria in front of Russia !!! And this is a shame and it continues !!!

      And what did the Turkish troops and the SNA take over? They could not hold Serakib. They could not cut the M-5 highway. Erdogan, since the month of December, Idlib’s province merged. What are you talking about?
      1. Ovrag 7 March 2020 21: 55 New
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        In fairness, our victory is more purely tactical than military. Our soldiers and planes for Turkey and Turkish proxies are not kill. And the fact that the “military police” units were driven into Serakib turned out to be several times more effective than all Assad’s soldiers combined. The air is the same feint. Ours do not shoot at the Turks. Turks don't shoot at us. And the Syrians are in such a situation in any case in a winning position.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan 8 March 2020 00: 04 New
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        I read the article and do not think at all that the Turks directly lost a lot of UAVs.

        Turkey has about 10 Anka-S shock dozens of Anka reconnaissance and more than 100 Bayraktar units !!!

        How many Turkish UAVs were shot down in total? 7-10 pieces. In my opinion this is not much, given how many cases these UAVs have heaped up.

        During the 5 days of the war with Georgia, Russia lost as many planes with people, not UAVs.

        Turkey was able to drive the advancing parts of Syria into the burrows, inflicting serious damage to them in technology and people. But shooting down an UAV was not such an easy task.

        Our Armor, Torah, Buki and S-300/400 (and I think Russia is sharing information with Syria about enemy targets in the Syrian sky) were supposed to pinpoint them for tens of kilometers, and Anki-S and Bayraktary could hit the target with adjustable ammunition for a distance less than 10 km

        So how could these UAVs hit Russian air defense systems ?! But it’s very simple, these UAVs from composite materials and our radars simply don’t see a damn thing or see them only when they themselves are within the radius of the UAV’s destruction.

        The saddest thing is that for several days the Turks actually hosted their UAVs in the sky of Syria and simultaneously shot down Syrian planes in Syrian airspace, successfully using AWACS reconnaissance aircraft and F-16s, which caused even Chinese mockery at Russian equipment.

        I don’t see that Turkey has lost a lot of UAVs, but I see that they have become a serious problem for the advancing Syrian troops and even our VKS.

        If it weren’t for Turkey, Idlib would have been cleared of terrorists, but essentially nothing has changed. Yes, they lost in the territory, but tomorrow they will also be able to quickly recapture it, and all agreements with Turkey and the terrorists are worthless.

        The recaptured M-4 and M-5 will become roads of death, as terrorists will place high-explosive bombs on them and attack columns of equipment, setting up ambushes, they have ATGM like a fool's wrappers.
    5. Prisoner 7 March 2020 22: 24 New
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      What's wrong with you? Rave
  12. Retvizan 8 7 March 2020 19: 57 New
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    It’s not a cheap pleasure to make a drone, but are there pennies?
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 8 March 2020 00: 08 New
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      It’s not a cheap pleasure to make a drone, but are there pennies?


      They will give it -

      Since 2014, the United States has allocated more than $ 1,3 billion for the development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said Pentagon spokesman Eric Pahon.

      US President Donald Trump signed legislation on the allocation of almost $ 700 million to Ukraine

      US House of Representatives Approves $ 250 Million Military Assistance to Ukraine
  13. Pavel57 7 March 2020 20: 00 New
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    Unmanned aerial vehicles are not cheap, and vulnerable to air defense, it was available.
  14. Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2020 20: 16 New
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    Freshly giving, I believe, with difficulty ...
  15. askort154 7 March 2020 20: 16 New
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    Ukraine intends to organize the production of Turkish drones

    Ukraine, breaking away from the USSR, succeeded a lot:
    - sold (mainly to Africa and BV) all weapons exported
    from the countries of the Warsaw Pact. What is not sold, only suitable
    for scrap.
    - concluded an agreement on the construction of a spaceport in Brazil.
    - entered into an agreement with Saudi Arabia on a joint
    production of An-140,
    - entered into an agreement with the United States on the sharing of "KB
    South "
    - concluded an agreement with China on the construction of "aircraft carriers",
    - concluded an agreement with China on joint construction
    aircraft engines.
    This is a fraction of what was recorded on the "hard disk" of my head, without a specific binding to dates. yes
  16. V.I.P. 7 March 2020 20: 37 New
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    And why does the Turkish armed forces have no APU ammunition from the STM - ALPAGU BLOK II?
    The radius of the UAV is 5-10 km, the working altitude is 250-400 m. The flight duration is 10-20 minutes. The flight speed is 90-120 km / h. The mass of the warhead is up to 2,5 kg. The system uses self-learning algorithms to automate the functions of detecting, identifying and tracking targets ... ... ..This is cheaper. One drone, one target))))
    1. V.I.P. 7 March 2020 20: 38 New
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      In addition, the Turks and MLRS make ballistic missiles and a bunch of wheeled armored vehicles. They can be bartered, Ukraine named KAZ and dynamic protection, and the Turks give them a bunch of their weapons)
  17. Topol M 7 March 2020 20: 40 New
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    In addition to manure is unlikely to succeed! But seriously warned you, turn around, lose statehood! Ukrainians, think not an ass, a head that you do not have!
  18. Vladimir Mashkov 7 March 2020 20: 55 New
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    Well, fool! They dream of defeating the Donbass with their drones, and do not realize that for this they have no money, no conditions, no time. Dreamy rams! laughing
    1. Sky strike fighter 7 March 2020 21: 02 New
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      This begs the question.
      The six Bayraktar TB2 drones purchased by Ukraine from Turkey still stick out at the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnitsky region because Ukrainian generals understand the futility of using these large and low-speed UAVs over the military formations of the DPR and LPR armed forces saturated with air defense and electronic warfare systems.
      If the Syrians, in the conditions of the lack of modern air defense systems and ZSU, were able to fill up a dozen Turkish drones in Idlib within a few days, how many six yellow-block “Bayraktars” will live in the sky of Donbass? ..

      https://vestirossii.com/politika/tureczkie-bespilotniki-vsu-obrecheny-na-gibel-v-nebe-donbassa.html
  19. Vasya17 7 March 2020 21: 04 New
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    such newsmen need to be driven with dirty slippers - it was publicly announced that Bayraktars are sold with the possibility of establishing production in Ukraine, and to make news out of this, a year after the sale ....
  20. Vasyan1971 7 March 2020 21: 12 New
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    Turkish UAV Bayraktar TB2, previously delivered to Ukraine, is actively and successfully used in the operation "Spring Shield" in the province of Idlib Syria.

    This, which the Syrians have famously learned to omit? Good thing ...
    1. Sky strike fighter 7 March 2020 21: 22 New
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      The Ukrainian propagandist Butusov, who at one time was involved in the purchase of Bayraktars in the Ukrainian army and had a certain percentage for himself personally, is now actively drowning for the purchase of new Turkish drones by Ukraine, naturally benefiting himself by reasoning that the Turkish drones defeated SAA. And what you can’t write for the money. Look on the Internet for what a developed fantasy a person has when needed.
      1. Vasyan1971 7 March 2020 21: 24 New
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        what a developed fantasy a person has when needed.

        If you want to live well, you will not be so heated. And your close ones.
  21. Alexey from Perm 7 March 2020 21: 30 New
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    I am surprised by the small losses of drones, not large ones. Beech militia will need to throw
    1. Mavrikiy 7 March 2020 21: 39 New
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      I am surprised by the small losses of drones, not large ones. Beech militia will need to throw

      But what about the “shell”, “Tunguska”?
      1. Alexey from Perm 7 March 2020 21: 43 New
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        He showed himself poorly, I would modernize him. What a pest did the second stage without a marching engine, it's just wrecking
        1. Mavrikiy 7 March 2020 21: 48 New
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          He showed himself poorly, I would modernize him. What a pest did the second stage without a marching engine, it's just wrecking

          Maybe, but missiles will be cheaper for shooting at drones of 10-20 kg, and machine-gun shells ......
          1. Alexey from Perm 7 March 2020 21: 58 New
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            specialization - insect work, the carapace must be able to deal with all kinds of targets
        2. Kirya 8 March 2020 01: 44 New
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          Quote: Alexey from Perm
          What a pest did the second stage without a marching engine, it's just wrecking

          Alexei, read less about the conference materials about the Shell-C1, which are not true and are the property of the yellow (liberal press) press in the face of the live journal! There 95% of outright lies. In the last topic of Armament-Air Defense IN - is in the comments.
          1. Alexey from Perm 8 March 2020 15: 23 New
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            then what 2 stage without a marching engine is also a lie?
  22. Mavrikiy 7 March 2020 21: 34 New
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    Ukraine intends to organize the production of Turkish drones
    Maybe it's time for Russia to help the Kurds organize the production of UAVs? repeat
    1. Alexey from Perm 7 March 2020 21: 43 New
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      they haven’t done theirs yet, who is there to help ??
  23. Lord of the Sith 7 March 2020 21: 34 New
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    So what, we have air defense, so their drones will land on the ground without reaching the demarcation line))

    And the Sumerians, as always, will get to the headstock))
    1. Alexey from Perm 7 March 2020 21: 44 New
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      you underestimate them
      1. Lord of the Sith 7 March 2020 21: 46 New
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        Well, of course))

        I've been repeatedly present at those events when Ukrainian drones and UAVs were shot down.

        Have you participated in such fun? laughing
        1. Alexey from Perm 7 March 2020 21: 57 New
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          no i can't brag
      2. Sky strike fighter 7 March 2020 21: 52 New
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        you underestimate them

        They for the money themselves will shoot down their own drones, unless of course they earlier agree with someone who will be able to sell these drones.
  24. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 7 March 2020 22: 00 New
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    Given the fact that my "compatriots" can not sharpen 150mm shells. They fly somersault in flight. That UAV will be even sadder.
    1. Sky strike fighter 7 March 2020 22: 12 New
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      Ukraine purchased 200 MAM-L for Bayraktar from Turkey.
      The high-precision small-sized ammunition (bomb) MAM-L (SMM - Smart Micro Munition) weighing 22 kg, developed by the Turkish company Roketsan specifically for use with UAVs, is actually a “trimmed” version of the Roketsan L-UMTAS ATGM (weight 37,5 kg,) with removal sections of the rocket engine and equipping with a laser semi-active guidance system. Ammunition length 1 m, caliber 160 mm. A warhead weighing 10 kg can be of two types - high-explosive fragmentation or tandem cumulative. It is stated that when dropped from a significant altitude, the flight range of the MAM-L exceeds 8 km.

      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3583080.html
      1. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 7 March 2020 22: 33 New
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        200 shots, it's about nothing. Well bought? Well, with the help of a UAV, they will demolish a couple of three observation posts. And then what?
        1. Tuzik 8 March 2020 02: 39 New
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          What do you want next? It is necessary to make peace in the Donbass. Adopt UAV technology, produce, sell, and raise pensions for the money. I think so.
        2. Alexey from Perm 8 March 2020 15: 25 New
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          UAVs destroy technology, and this is human life + a depressing sense of helplessness
  25. _Ugene_ 7 March 2020 22: 38 New
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    drones are a very promising weapon, and Turkey has proven this during the fighting in Syria
    proved in the absence of air defense, with normal air defense none of these drones would have survived
  26. Zaurbek 7 March 2020 23: 03 New
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    It’s a reasonable decision ... maybe we should buy a license for that.
  27. xomaNN 7 March 2020 23: 39 New
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    Summary: In Syria, the Russian Armed Forces need to actively work out ways to "extinguish" Turkish UAVs in idlib. Useful! ... hi
  28. Lekz 7 March 2020 23: 48 New
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    Another intention did not surprise. Already not even funny. But once in Ukraine they did "Satan."
  29. RoTTor 8 March 2020 00: 12 New
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    Former aviation derzhava ...
    It is doubtful whether they will be able to do them on the Orstes of the Soviet military-industrial complex, which is cheated, i.e. REVORMS, muddy Lithuanian grantosos
    NATO lackeys prefer to wag their tail in front of the Turks and rot their own, Ukrainian UAV developers.
  30. 501Legion 8 March 2020 07: 53 New
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    dill creatures. their regime is Assad. and what is your ki mode? Fascist
  31. Andobor 8 March 2020 09: 12 New
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    Yes, it’s purely in Ukrainian, right after the Turkish dronopad.
  32. Andrey.AN 8 March 2020 11: 08 New
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    The cheapest answer to these matters is to create an air monitoring service, stupidly set cameras for agents and put people on TVs, and let them broadcast who, where, when and where they fly, no one will turn on the radar to the constant, and then decide how to fight .
  33. sanik2020 8 March 2020 13: 33 New
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    If they ruined such an aircraft industry, even if they make plastic flying machines.
  34. mammadov teymur 10 March 2020 06: 59 New
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    good luck to Ukraine