In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

US decommissioned ships withdrawn from the US Navy are the only means to strengthen the Ukrainian Navy, capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea. This was stated by Ukrainian military expert, deputy director of the Kiev Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Mikhail Samus.

Speaking at a briefing by Glavkom, Samus said that the only way out could help the Ukrainian the fleet build up their strengths and capabilities, is the transfer to the US Navy decommissioned American ships armed with cruise missiles. According to him, a dozen such ships are capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine.

If we are talking about strengthening Ukraine in the maritime direction, then only the USA can help us here. Quickly give us a certain amount of at least second-hand missile ships weapons. A dozen ships with cruise missiles can change the balance in the Black Sea

- He stressed, adding that the new Minister of Defense Andrei Taran should deal with this issue.

Recall that in 2018, the United States handed over to Ukraine two Island type boats written off by the Coast Guard, which, after modernization, became part of the Ukrainian Navy. According to reports, Ukraine requested three more boats of this type.

For our part, we add that cruise missiles are armed with destroyers like Arleigh Burke, cruisers like Ticonderoga, and nuclear submarines as part of the US Navy. It remains only to understand what of the presented list Ukraine wants to receive and in what quantity?

Comments

[unhappy]

Seriously? The cruiser "Ticonderoga" by this?

[Shuttle]

Quote: unhappy

Seriously? The cruiser "Ticonderoga" by this?

Exactly! Let Paul Verhoeven be approached for this "Ticonderoga" from "Starship Troopers"

True remedy.

[WILL]

Yes, let them give all the trash! Mighty Ukrainian Economy - Get another chance for Vmerla Puppy .... but Already fatal!

[abrakadabre]

Yes, let them give all the trash!

Battleships! Battleships will save the puppies And a couple of aircraft carriers.

[NIKN]

They are the remnants of what could not be kept from Russia (something drowned in the parade), but here they should be kept. How? Rather, what? Maybe the business of recycling is going to run?

[Victor_B]

“If you want to ruin a small country, give her a cruiser ...” - Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill

[spech]

It is a sin to laugh at the wretched ©
and sing so pitifully "has not died yet ......" almost ©

[Shelest2000]

and they sing so pitifully "have not died yet ......"

This is they asking and they themselves are surprised that not yet ...

[major147]

Quote: Shelest2000

They ask this and they themselves are surprised that not yet ...

At the funeral wake, they want to eat

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: spech

It is a sin to laugh at the wretched ©
and they sing so pitifully "has not died yet...... "almost ©

Even their drivers appreciated "Shchenevmerlu"

[Thrifty]

Yes! Only militarized, and not one, but about 5 pieces at least! So that their economy enters a dead dead peak. ..

[Crimean partisan 1974]

So that their economy enters a dead dead peak. ..nothing to enter, the country is no longer there. what is the economy

[Michael67]

Calm Only calm. This is schizoid paranoia. Or paranoid schizophrenia. Patients are poorly watched. I could get to the journalists.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Quote: Michael67

Calm Only calm. This is schizoid paranoia. Or paranoid schizophrenia. Patients are poorly watched. I could get to the journalists.

Maidanut skakuasy emboldened.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: unhappy

Seriously? The cruiser "Ticonderoga" by this?

And they will call it "Ukraine" and Zaporozhets cruise missiles ... like a car that was once famous throughout the USSR! Now there is nothing of their own, everyone has lost ... So they will rejoice at the crumbs from the master's table ... Crawling on the belly before the pan-African Americans ... They are the ancient Ukrainians , the heirs of the Aryans

[Svarog]

US decommissioned ships withdrawn from the US Navy are the only means to strengthen the Ukrainian Navy, capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea. This was stated by Ukrainian military expert, deputy director of the Kiev Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Mikhail Samus.

Offer to make scrap landfill in the Black Sea?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

They suggest making scrap landfill in the Black Sea? ..... I will take scrap metal at a price of 3 rubles per kilo,

[major147]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

They suggest making scrap landfill in the Black Sea? ..... I will take scrap metal at a price of 3 rubles per kilo,

It's like in an anecdote: "The Ukrainian army headed to the border of Russia, the scrap metal receivers moved to meet it!"

[askort154]

unharru Seriously ?

We read:
This was stated by Ukrainian military expert, deputy director of the Kiev Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Mikhail Samus.
His position and surname are not serious.

[4ekist]

In ukrozhopiya there are only military experts and analysts, we are far from them.

[svp67]

Quote: unhappy

Seriously? The cruiser "Ticonderoga" by this?

No, they still do not aim at THAT, they are hinting at the frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry type decommissioned from the US Navy, until ...

[antivirus]

"submarine in the steppes of Ukraine"

[Finches]

The modest charm of schizophrenia ...

[Paul Siebert]

Seriously? The cruiser "Ticonderoga" by this?

In 1961, the Soviet Union decided to transfer the Ordzhonikidze cruiser of the Sverdlov class, Project 68-bis to Indonesia.
Indonesia was preparing for war with its former metropolis - Holland and purchased a small fleet from the USSR. Ordzhonikidze became Irian and the flagship of the Indonesian Navy.
Until 1963, he scared Dutch sailors, fired the main caliber at Malay violators and pirates, and took part in numerous military parades.
At the end of 1963, the cruiser completely lost its combat readiness. Three out of six boilers of the main power plant failed. In March 1964, the cruiser came for warranty repairs in Vladivostok.
But this did not save the poor cruiser - local sailors simply could not maintain his acceptable condition. There was not enough knowledge, training, attitude to the service was different than in the USSR Navy.
In 1965, a coup d'etat took place in Indonesia.
President Sukarno was replaced by Suharto. And immediately declared "Irian" an economically unjustified waste of the state.
Until 1970, he, half-flooded in the port, served as a floating prison ...
At the end of this year, the Indonesians drove him to Taiwan and sold it for metal.
Local legend says that on the way to Formosa in the Indonesian convoy flew Russian cruisers and finished off the ill-fated brother ...
The future of the American "Ticonderoga" in the glorious independent fleet is seen approximately the same ...

[4ekist]

.... a hunchback only a grave can fix.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: unhappy

Seriously? The cruiser "Ticonderoga" by this?

The battleships "Iowa" and "New Jersey" would be better, there is an apt saying from the beginning of the last century: "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a cruiser."

[TermNachTer]

Why not? There are six pieces written off. Shaw, sorry to give one? Who cares where it will rust? But all is not enough - it’s necessary to remove a little valuable, because the heroic banderomatroses will remove everything and drink it.

[Insurgent]

I am laughing out loud. Comment on nothing. Just read the title.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Insurgent

I am laughing out loud.

In! I'm already THE WHOLE LIFE, so fast! Thanks !

I SERVE THE LABOR PEOPLE!

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

In Ukraine, the strongest army in Europe.

[Rustic i ......]

The corporal who does not dream of the chancellor of Germany is bad.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Rustic i ......

The corporal who does not dream of the chancellor of Germany is bad.

Quote: Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich (1730 - 1800)

Powder is not gunpowder, buccles are not guns, a scythe is not a cleaver; I'm not German, but a natural Rusak

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Insurgent

WHOLE LIVE

Staff Sergeant.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Paranoid50

Staff Sergeant.

Growing up

[Romario_Argo]

I agree. Yeah, like, the score is 2,5 barges to 150 and it will be 2,8 to 150

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

I am laughing out loud. Comment on nothing. Just read the title.

I laugh and cry, the Ukrainian SSR made aircraft carriers and the most powerful missile cruisers, and now all over the world with the cap "Uncle Donik, give alms for Christ's sake." Just disgraceful.

Here it is a reminder of the past, and what is the reality.

[Donald72]

Decommissioned boxes can certainly be taken. But if there is money, it’s not better to order at least rocket boats in the homeland.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Donald72

But if there is money, it’s not better to order at least missile boats in the homeland.

So they still need to be built, and boats are currently only catching poachers and smugglers. America is already getting rid of this unnecessary junk. Even the new Littoral Combat Ship is being discarded. Gone are the days of "gunboats", "popovok", coastal defense monitors and boats.

[Brturin]

Quote: Donald72

But if there are funds, it’s not better if they even order missile boats in their homeland

If there is money ... how many years have they been building Vladimir the Great

[Fedorov]

I don't even know if I should laugh or laugh. My neighbor is a techie aviator in Nikolaev in outfits just walks, so that nothing from the rusty sea trash would be spioneered. In the naval "special forces" he retrained for retirement.
And if we are talking about missile weapons, then do not tell me, my lips are cracking.

[dzvero]

On a patrol boat you can put MANPADS on top of a machine gun and the balance of forces will immediately change

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dzvero

On a patrol boat you can put MANPADS on top of a machine gun and the balance of forces will immediately change

A better Dunku with a cook and a pan on his head.

[dzvero]

And UTB is already WMD

[bessmertniy]

Ukraine wants to get it, but it is profitable for the Americans to sell it. If the US continues to encourage freebies for Nezalezhnaya, then the second-hand transfer could really improve the Ukrainian fleet. But if the Americans put the ships, which they are getting rid of, for auctions, then Ukraine will fly by - there will be others who want an American "second", who will beat the prices for which Ukraine could buy it.

[unhappy]

The conversation is not about auctions, but about the fact that there is no money even for the maintenance of the wretched "Sagaidachny. And here is a cruiser.

[bessmertniy]

Yes, even an aircraft carrier - it would be something for the robots to go fishing.

[orionvitt]

Quote: unhappy

there is no money even for the maintenance of the wretched Sagaidachny.

Well, it depends on how you look at it. "Saiga Dachny", still afloat. True, it does not go, but it has not been welded to the pier yet.

[KCA]

You do not forget that all weapons and weapon control systems have been removed from these decommissioned pelvis, as combat units they are not even zero, but minus 100, who else needs them to strengthen the fleet, except for damage? Yes, even Bangladesh will take them no more than 1/3 of the price of scrap metal, because still need to be cut

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Quote: bessmertniy

Ukraine wants to get it, but it is profitable for the Americans to sell it. If the US continues to encourage freebies for Nezalezhnaya, then the second-hand transfer could really improve the Ukrainian fleet. But if the Americans put the ships, which they are getting rid of, for auctions, then Ukraine will fly by - there will be others who want an American "second", who will beat the prices for which Ukraine could buy it.

Most likely on Nezalezhnaya, the transfer of this second-hand will finally undermine the economy, since it requires repairs and large resources for maintenance.

[carstorm 11]

ha) well, let's say they were given them. and then it’s all to serve, at whose expense he was going to?))) fucking humor)))

[abrakadabre]

and then it’s all to serve at whose expense he was going?

Yes, even if the money was for maintenance. There, even repairs - American standards. Up to non metric bolted threads.

[Vladimir61]

I think that in the event of such an acquisition, there will be no "sailing races", as in the Kerch provocation. When entering the Russian waters, immediately to the bottom, feed the fish.

[The leader of the Redskins]

A strange expert ... Does not own the question. In technical terms, so absolutely.

[Cat]

Strange expert

M. Samus - an expert from the breed of reformed political politicians - graduated from the Kiev Naval Political School (the name itself is already an anecdote). Now he is the editor of the "Bulletin of Export Control" (!), "Expert Advisor" on "Radio Svolota", Defense Express, the pages of "Ukrainian Pravda", Espreso TV and other national washes.

[dauria]

Kiev Naval Political School (the name itself is already a joke)

Never mind a joke. It was among six military schools in Kiev (not counting IEDs). The discipline is stick, in comparison with them even the infantry from KVOKU were friends. If their turn is in patrols, it is better to bypass gardens. The worst thing was to give them a garrison guard (Lip and commandant’s office). Tightened right up to 23.00, bastards. They had internships in all fleets, and teachers of Lafa retired in the chic capital. So no joke. Or on your parade ground the sea should be with a cruiser ?

[orionvitt]

Quote: dauria

and Lafa teachers - retire in the chic capital

It was a chic capital, but everything came out.

[Cat]

Or on your parade ground the sea should be with a cruiser

In my opinion, a naval school should be located on the shores of the ocean, sea, or, in extreme cases, a large lake. Unless, of course, it is going to train naval officers, and not the political leaders. Otherwise, the maximum that they could see from the warships is a river monitor, and even that in the form of a monument. And so, they only painted anchors for the holidays in a radically black color - he himself observed in childhood.

[Amateur]

In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

It is necessary to assign the ranks of admirals to at least 10 more people. Then any intelligence, after finding out how many admirals are in the naval forces of the outskirts and counting them on the number of naval formations and associations, will be horrified and voluntarily agree to rename the Black Sea to the Ukrainian Sea, and the Azov Sea to Poroshenko’s.

[Al Asad]

But what about the anti-ship missile "Neptune" annihilating everything and everyone?

[Thrifty]

So Neptune probably inadvertently self-annihilated

[Ham]

where is the money from, zin? Gold Semi-finished or something found?

[Dmitry Potapov]

They are their part of the combat fleet inherited from the section of the Black Sea Fleet pro..fukat now managed to wave to the United States.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Begged all the same ... beggars.
"The US Congress has been informed of the Pentagon's plans to supply Ukraine with anti-artillery radars, patrol boats and other equipment worth $ 125 million." RT

[Levin]

See you soon on the black market.

[Mountain shooter]

Great idea. Let them write off a dozen "Berks" and to Odessa. And before that, it will be necessary to gather up crews, and to study in Hawaii ... ... and then the admiral woke up ...

[Tusv]

According to him, a dozen such ships are capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine.

Rather, in favor of Ukrainian divers. 10.08.2008/5/3 remind? Smart ass. MRK "Mirage" vs XNUMX missile boats. One destroyed, one damaged, and flee. Consumption of XNUMX missiles.

[Avior]

The Georgians did not have missile boats, and they tried to get closer to the distance of gun fire, therefore

[Tusv]

Quote: Avior

they tried to get closer to the range of gun fire so

My God with guns for two escort ships. Project 206 MR has two Termit launchers. They tried to reach the launch distance

[Thecubel21]

Yes, as recently as yesterday, it seemed like the news was that the United States sent to scrap quite old literal ships. They say it’s expensive to maintain and upgrade them too. But their Ukraine and do not stutter to give. Only boats.

[Parsec]

And not literal, and not lateral, especially not tangential, but littoral.
If you don't know the spelling of the term, write "coastal".

[Thecubel21]

I apologize. I will write coastal.

[Chingachguk]

I completely agree with Misha Samus !!!! One insignificant bunch from Misha and associates towards Russia, after receiving the winged second hand, and the balance will change once and for all. Misha and his prancing brothers will cease to exist.

[novobranets]

To keep even a new serviceable ship is a lot of money ... And what about Ukraine, with its "European" economy , will do with decommissioned trash, because these costs are an order of magnitude greater? They will put it to the wall until it sinks itself ? Verily, your deeds are wonderful, Lord.

[Avior]

The only ships that fit these requirements are Perry. But I'm not sure that Harpoons are still being released under the Mk13 launcher and, in general, are they preserved in Perry’s storage?
More logical mosquito fleet with RCC
This would indeed create a certain threat in itself by the fact of the presence and would force a part of the Black Sea Fleet to keep part of the forces, and would prevent them from being sent to Syria, for example.
If you are not able to make RCC yourself - you can buy from the Chinese, inexpensively and they will sell
True, Americans may be against
And asking Americans Perry is stupid
They will devour the entire impoverished budget of the Ukrainian fleet for maintenance.

[shinobi]

Well, another dreamer in life. After all, they will have to be equipped from scratch. But practice shows that it costs 1,5 times more than a new ship from the shipyard. Or do they think that they will get scrap with all the body kit? This is, however, a complete clinic.

[Ura Orlov]

And here they are, patched, darned, boat veterans of the US war with Vietnam.

[strannik1985]

Soon, Ukrainian experts will catch up with English scientists.
Most likely, my uncle had in mind an RCA with an anti-ship missile of the Harpoon type. It remains to find such in the US Navy.

[Barmal]

Drown when leaving the port.

[Dmitry starik]

Do they feed the cruiser?

[rocket757]

Do you want to ruin someone, give him a cruiser!
There is no need to discuss this brad further.

[grandfather_Kostya]

Pentagon: - "Would you like to demand that cruise missiles have been decommissioned too?"

[Prisoner]

There, at least for the divorce of clever left or all ?! This dEbil decided to fill up the Black Sea with garbage?

[Ross xnumx]

In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

Strange ... 68 comments, but no one remembered:

“(Stupid person) with the thought of a rad, her win and a bag”

[businessv]

It remains only to understand what of the presented list Ukraine wants to receive and in what quantity?

Why understand that it is the square that floods Nikolaev and Nikolaev at the entrance to Odessa, or cut it into scrap metal, as she did with all her allied legacy !?

[alekc75]

wrap one pipe with tape on each boat - and let Russia wonder what they put in there!

[Sergey_33]

Submarine .. Apple .. In the steppes of Ukraine it is the place.

[artifact]

decommissioned ships with decommissioned missiles for decommissioned Ukraine ... now it’s for sure to pan over and how to pile on damned masks ...

[Cat]

"Ukrainian Truth", 2024:
"Due to the overwhelming superiority of the Russian Rybnadzor, the Ukrainian fleet, led by the flagship squadron armored boat" Petro Poroshenko ", was relocated to the naval base" Zhabiacha Zatoka "(Lviv region)"

[Irek]

Second hand country.

[Igor Pa]

They hinted that it was time to write off the burki.

[TatarinSSSR]

The title is misleading. Finding a way and dreaming are two different things. With the same success I can dream - give me a billion I and will become richer than my neighbor.

[Lelek]

(If we are talking about strengthening Ukraine in the maritime direction, then only the USA can help us here. Quickly give us a certain amount of at least a second-hand rocket ship. A dozen ships with cruise missiles can change the balance in the Black Sea)

Eh, the inescapable craving of dill for freebies under Russophobic sauce. Ditch your industry and then ... then beg for "second-hand" knowing the Anglo-Saxon nature - "not even shit for free." Ofzdepet.

[shoroh]

Given that the average pension in Ukraine in terms of rubles is about 8700 thousand, after transferring a couple of old cruisers to them, Ukraine itself will start asking for a vehicle in the absence of means of subsistence.

[Vasyan1971]

US decommissioned ships withdrawn from the US Navy are the only means to strengthen the Ukrainian Navy,

Good old principle: "If you don't have something, replace it with what you have."

[rotkiv04]

This is a country of victorious idiocy and commands a clown idiot there

[Lord of the Sith]

If you want to ruin a country, give it a cruiser.

In this case, what they want in \ on.

Well, will they get it, will something change? Never mind. Only at the service they will go bankrupt, small provocations can take place, but Russia does not cost anything to sink these little ships.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Let them buy Missouri in the USA, just according to their ambitions.

[Victor March 47]

If you get three or four AUGs as a gift complete with all the escorts, then ....
I wonder what they should give to the penguins by the roof so that they agree to PROMISE?

[iouris]

They just bury it unexpectedly.

[Vanya Tikhiy]

Now the owner, from the hole of the VSA, will fuse all his trash to his lackeys from stale for good money.

[Grandfather Crimea]

Here and there’s nothing to comment on, everything is simple and funny)))

[oks537]

Good people, I'm sorry that we are contacting you, help how many missile boats you can against the damned Muscovites, may God give you health ...

[rehev931]

Both that and another and it is possible without bread !!!

[Shuttle]

But if you seriously think about it, although this is difficult in this case, what kind of American weapons in the hands of Bandera could somehow contribute to a serious change in the current balance of power?
Submarines?
Cruisers URO?
Light aircraft carriers?
Hovercraft?
Give the USA to Ukraine at least some of this will have to learn. I remember that the Americans already supplied counter-battery combat radar to Nenka. The radars of the Ukrainians ran out.

[perm23]

The US congressman calls Saakashvili’s wife and says Tell your idiot not to ask us for cruisers and aircraft carriers. Why . so the war will start immediately. these are already such trophies for the Russians

[dauria]

170 comments... Well, gentlemen Americans - congratulations. In five years, land your planes in Chernigov, rent a base in Odessa. Everything worked out for you. Even better than you wanted. The first enemies for the Russians are now in Kyiv. And New York? Come on, some Russians are even ready to move there for permanent residence. The main thing is to place them in separate reservations. Russians and Ukrainians. At least the first generation.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Well, no imagination, they decided to pollute the fairways with expensive scrap metal, but they could have simply buried the sea again, again they would have reduced unemployment for many years to come

[Metallurg_2]

If you want to ruin the country, give it a dreadnought.