In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

US decommissioned ships withdrawn from the US Navy are the only means to strengthen the Ukrainian Navy, capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea. This was stated by Ukrainian military expert, deputy director of the Kiev Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Mikhail Samus.


Speaking at a briefing by Glavkom, Samus said that the only way out could help the Ukrainian the fleet build up their strengths and capabilities, is the transfer to the US Navy decommissioned American ships armed with cruise missiles. According to him, a dozen such ships are capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine.

If we are talking about strengthening Ukraine in the maritime direction, then only the USA can help us here. Quickly give us a certain amount of at least second-hand missile ships weapons. A dozen ships with cruise missiles can change the balance in the Black Sea

- He stressed, adding that the new Minister of Defense Andrei Taran should deal with this issue.

Recall that in 2018, the United States handed over to Ukraine two Island type boats written off by the Coast Guard, which, after modernization, became part of the Ukrainian Navy. According to reports, Ukraine requested three more boats of this type.

For our part, we add that cruise missiles are armed with destroyers like Arleigh Burke, cruisers like Ticonderoga, and nuclear submarines as part of the US Navy. It remains only to understand what of the presented list Ukraine wants to receive and in what quantity?
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  1. unhappy 7 March 2020 07: 04 New
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    Seriously? The Ticonderoga cruiser with this?
    1. Shuttle 7 March 2020 07: 15 New
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      Quote: unhappy
      Seriously? The Ticonderoga cruiser with this?

      Right! Let Paul Verhoeven turn here for this "Ticonderoga" from the "Starship Troopers"

      True remedy.
    2. WILL 7 March 2020 07: 15 New
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      Yes, let them give all the trash! Mighty Ukrainian Economy - Get another chance for Vmerla Puppy .... but Already fatal! yes
      1. abrakadabre 7 March 2020 07: 55 New
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        Yes, let them give all the trash!
        Battleships! Battleships will save the puppies And a couple of aircraft carriers.
        1. NIKN 7 March 2020 10: 54 New
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          They are the remnants of what could not be kept from Russia (something drowned in the parade), but here they should be kept. How? Rather, what? Maybe the business of recycling is going to run?
      2. Victor_B 7 March 2020 08: 07 New
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        “If you want to ruin a small country, give her a cruiser ...” - Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
      3. spech 7 March 2020 09: 33 New
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        It is a sin to laugh at the wretched ©
        and sing so pitifully, "I haven’t died yet ......" almost ©
        1. Shelest2000 7 March 2020 09: 52 New
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          and sing so pitifully, "I haven’t died yet ......"

          This is they asking laughing and they themselves are surprised that not yet ... wassat
          1. major147 7 March 2020 11: 37 New
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            Quote: Shelest2000
            They ask this and they themselves are surprised that not yet ...

            At the funeral wake, they want to eat lol
        2. Nyrobsky 7 March 2020 12: 47 New
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          Quote: spech
          It is a sin to laugh at the wretched ©
          and they sing so pitifully;..... "almost ©

          "Schenevmerlu" even their drovers appreciated
    3. Thrifty 7 March 2020 07: 29 New
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      Yes! Only militarized, and not one, but about 5 pieces at least! So that their economy enters a dead dead peak. ..
      1. Crimean partisan 1974 7 March 2020 09: 23 New
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        So that their economy enters a dead dead peak. ..nothing to enter, the country is no longer there. what is the economy
    4. Michael67 7 March 2020 07: 56 New
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      Calm Only calm. This is schizoid paranoia. Or paranoid schizophrenia. Patients are poorly watched. I could get to the journalists.
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      2. Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 March 2020 08: 13 New
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        Quote: Michael67
        Calm Only calm. This is schizoid paranoia. Or paranoid schizophrenia. Patients are poorly watched. I could get to the journalists.



        Maidanut skakuasy emboldened.
    5. Xnumx vis 7 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      Quote: unhappy
      Seriously? The Ticonderoga cruiser with this?

      And they will call it "Ukraine" and Zaporozhets cruise missiles ... like a car that was once famous throughout the USSR! Now there is nothing of his own, everyone miscalculated ... So they will rejoice at the crumbs from the pans table ... Crawling on the belly before the pan-African Americans ... They are the ancient Ukrainians laughing , the heirs of the Aryans tongue wassat
    6. Svarog 7 March 2020 08: 30 New
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      US decommissioned ships withdrawn from the US Navy are the only means to strengthen the Ukrainian Navy, capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea. This was stated by Ukrainian military expert, deputy director of the Kiev Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Mikhail Samus.

      Offer to make scrap landfill in the Black Sea?
      1. Crimean partisan 1974 7 March 2020 09: 29 New
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        They suggest making scrap landfill in the Black Sea? ..... I will take scrap metal at a price of 3 rubles per kilo,
        1. major147 7 March 2020 11: 41 New
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          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          They suggest making scrap landfill in the Black Sea? ..... I will take scrap metal at a price of 3 rubles per kilo,

          It's like in a joke: "The Ukrainian army went to the border of Russia, scrap metal receivers moved to meet it!" bully
    7. askort154 7 March 2020 10: 25 New
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      unharru Seriously ?

      We read:
      This was stated by Ukrainian military expert, deputy director of the Kiev Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Mikhail Samus.
      His position and surname are not serious. no hi
      1. 4ekist 7 March 2020 11: 32 New
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        In ukrozhopiya there are only military experts and analysts, we are far from them.
    8. svp67 7 March 2020 10: 30 New
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      Quote: unhappy
      Seriously? The Ticonderoga cruiser with this?

      No, they don’t threaten SO so far, they hint at frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry type that are withdrawn from the US Navy until ..., and there they look and the Ticonderogs will ask, "appetite comes when I eat”
    9. antivirus 7 March 2020 10: 39 New
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      "submarine in the steppes of Ukraine"
    10. Finches 7 March 2020 11: 00 New
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      The modest charm of schizophrenia ... laughing
    11. Paul Siebert 7 March 2020 11: 02 New
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      Seriously? The Ticonderoga cruiser with this?

      In 1961, the Soviet Union decided to transfer the Sverdlov class Ordzhonikidze cruiser, project 68 bis, to Indonesia.
      Indonesia was preparing for war with its former mother country, Holland, and purchased a small fleet from the USSR. Ordzhonikidze became Irian and the flagship of the Indonesian Navy.
      Until 1963, he scared Dutch sailors, fired the main caliber at Malay violators and pirates, and took part in numerous military parades.
      At the end of 1963, the cruiser completely lost its combat readiness. Three out of six boilers of the main power plant failed. In March 1964, the cruiser came for warranty repairs in Vladivostok.
      But this did not save the poor cruiser - local sailors simply could not maintain his acceptable condition. There was not enough knowledge, training, attitude to the service was different than in the USSR Navy.
      In 1965, a coup d'etat took place in Indonesia.
      President Sukarno was succeeded by Suharto. And immediately declared "Irian" an economically unjustified waste of the state.
      Until 1970, he, half-flooded in the port, served as a floating prison ...
      At the end of this year, the Indonesians drove him to Taiwan and sold it for metal.
      Local legend says that on the way to Formosa in the Indonesian convoy flew Russian cruisers and finished off the ill-fated brother ...
      The future of the American "Ticonderoga" in the glorious, non-blocking fleet seems to be about the same ... wink
    12. 4ekist 7 March 2020 11: 20 New
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      .... a hunchback only a grave can fix.
    13. tihonmarine 7 March 2020 11: 25 New
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      Quote: unhappy
      Seriously? The Ticonderoga cruiser with this?

      The battleships “Iowa” and “New Jersey” would be better, there is an apt statement of the beginning of the last century: “If you want to ruin a small country, give it a cruiser.
    14. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 12: 26 New
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      Why not? There are six pieces written off. Shaw, sorry to give one? Who cares where it will rust? But all is not enough - it’s necessary to remove a little valuable, because the heroic banderomatroses will remove everything and drink it.
  2. Insurgent 7 March 2020 07: 05 New
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    I am laughing out loud. Comment on nothing. Just read the title.
    1. Insurgent 7 March 2020 07: 56 New
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      Quote: Insurgent
      I am laughing out loud.


      In! I'm already THE WHOLE LIFE, so fast! Thanks !

      I SERVE THE LABOR PEOPLE! soldier
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 March 2020 08: 20 New
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        In Ukraine, the strongest army in Europe.
      2. Rustic i ...... 7 March 2020 10: 24 New
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        The corporal who does not dream of the chancellor of Germany is bad.
        1. Insurgent 7 March 2020 10: 28 New
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          Quote: Rustic i ......
          The corporal who does not dream of the chancellor of Germany is bad.


          Quote: Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich (1730 - 1800)
          Powder is not gunpowder, buccles are not guns, a scythe is not a cleaver; I'm not German, but a natural Rusak
      3. Paranoid50 7 March 2020 12: 37 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        WHOLE LIVE

        Staff Sergeant.
        1. Insurgent 7 March 2020 12: 42 New
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          Quote: Paranoid50
          Staff Sergeant.

          Growing up wink
    2. Romario_Argo 7 March 2020 10: 10 New
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      I agree. Yeah, like, the score is 2,5 barges to 150 and it will be 2,8 to 150
    3. tihonmarine 7 March 2020 11: 29 New
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      Quote: Insurgent
      I am laughing out loud. Comment on nothing. Just read the title.

      I laugh and cry, the Ukrainian SSR did aircraft carriers and the most powerful missile cruisers, and now around the world with a cap "Uncle Donik, give alms for Christ's sake." Just shameful.
      Here it is a reminder of the past, and what is the reality.
  3. Donald72 7 March 2020 07: 07 New
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    Decommissioned boxes can certainly be taken. But if there is money, it’s not better to order at least rocket boats in the homeland.
    1. tihonmarine 7 March 2020 11: 35 New
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      Quote: Donald72
      But if there is money, it’s not better to order at least missile boats in the homeland.

      So they still need to be built, and at the present time it’s only boats to catch poachers and smugglers. America is already getting rid of this waste rubbish. Even the new Littoral Combat Ship (Coastal warship) is written off. The time has passed for the gunboats, the priests, coastal defense monitors and boats.
    2. Brturin 7 March 2020 11: 53 New
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      Quote: Donald72
      But if there are funds, it’s not better if they even order missile boats in their homeland
      If there is money ... how many years have they been building Vladimir the Great
  4. Fedorov 7 March 2020 07: 10 New
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    I don’t even know whether to laugh or laugh. I have a neighbor, a techie aviator in Nikolaev, just goes in clothes, so that nothing from the rusty sea rubbish would be spionieri. In the maritime "special forces" retrained for retirement.
    And if we are talking about missile weapons, then do not tell me, my lips are cracking.
    1. dzvero 7 March 2020 09: 55 New
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      On a patrol boat you can put MANPADS on top of a machine gun and the balance of forces will immediately change smile
      1. tihonmarine 7 March 2020 11: 37 New
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        Quote: dzvero
        On a patrol boat you can put MANPADS on top of a machine gun and the balance of forces will immediately change

        A better Dunku with a cook and a pan on his head.
        1. dzvero 7 March 2020 11: 43 New
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          And UTB is already WMD smile
  5. bessmertniy 7 March 2020 07: 12 New
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    Ukraine wants to receive, but for the Americans it is profitable to sell it. If the United States continues to promote a freebie for Independent, then the transfer of second-hand can really improve the Ukrainian fleet. But, if the Americans put up the ships they are disposing of at auctions, then Ukraine will fly by - there are other people who want the American “second hand”, who will kill the prices for which Ukraine could buy it. what
    1. unhappy 7 March 2020 07: 23 New
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      The conversation is not about auctions, but that there is no money even for the maintenance of the wretched Sagaidachny. And then the cruiser. sad
      1. bessmertniy 7 March 2020 07: 25 New
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        Yes, even an aircraft carrier - it would be something for the robots to go fishing. wassat
      2. orionvitt 7 March 2020 14: 06 New
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        Quote: unhappy
        there is no money even for the maintenance of the wretched Sagaidachny.

        Well, this is how to look. "Saigak Country", still afloat. The truth does not go, but have not yet been welded to the pier.
    2. KCA
      KCA 7 March 2020 08: 19 New
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      You do not forget that all weapons and weapon control systems have been removed from these decommissioned pelvis, as combat units they are not even zero, but minus 100, who else needs them to strengthen the fleet, except for damage? Yes, even Bangladesh will take them no more than 1/3 of the price of scrap metal, because still need to be cut
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    5. Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 March 2020 08: 37 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      Ukraine wants to receive, but for the Americans it is profitable to sell it. If the United States continues to promote a freebie for Independent, then the transfer of second-hand can really improve the Ukrainian fleet. But, if the Americans put up the ships they are disposing of at auctions, then Ukraine will fly by - there are other people who want the American “second hand”, who will kill the prices for which Ukraine could buy it. what


      Most likely on Nezalezhnaya, the transfer of this second-hand will finally undermine the economy, since it requires repairs and large resources for maintenance.
  6. carstorm 11 7 March 2020 07: 13 New
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    ha) well, let's say they were given them. and then it’s all to serve, at whose expense he was going to?))) fucking humor)))
    1. abrakadabre 7 March 2020 07: 57 New
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      and then it’s all to serve at whose expense he was going?
      Yes, even if the money was for maintenance. There, even repairs - American standards. Up to non metric bolted threads.
  7. Vladimir61 7 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    I think that in the case of such an acquisition, there will be no "racing under the sails," as in the Kerch provocation. At the entrance to Russian waters, immediately to the bottom, feed the fish.
  8. A strange expert ... Does not own the question. In technical terms, so absolutely.
    1. Gato 7 March 2020 09: 42 New
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      Strange expert

      M. Samus, an expert from the breed of forged politicians, graduated from the Kiev Naval Political School (the name itself is already a joke). Now the editor of the “Bulletin of export control” (!), “Expert” on “Radio Svolota”, Defense Express, the pages of “Ukrainian Truth”, Espreso TV and other national washes.
      1. dauria 7 March 2020 12: 49 New
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        Kiev Naval Political School (the name itself is already a joke)


        Never mind a joke. It was among six military schools in Kiev (not counting IEDs). The discipline is stick, in comparison with them even the infantry from KVOKU were friends. If their turn is in patrols, it is better to bypass gardens. The worst thing was to give them a garrison guard (Lip and commandant’s office). Tightened right up to 23.00, bastards. They had internships in all fleets, and teachers of Lafa retired in the chic capital. So no joke. Or on your parade ground the sea should be with a cruiser wink ?
        1. orionvitt 7 March 2020 14: 10 New
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          Quote: dauria
          and Lafa teachers - retire in the chic capital

          It was a chic capital, but everything came out.
        2. Gato 7 March 2020 17: 02 New
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          Or on your parade ground the sea should be with a cruiser

          In my opinion, a naval school should be located on the shores of the ocean, sea, or, in extreme cases, a large lake. Unless, of course, it is going to train naval officers, and not the political leaders. Otherwise, the maximum that they could see from the warships is a river monitor, and even that in the form of a monument. And so, they only painted anchors for the holidays in a radically black color - he himself observed in childhood.
  9. Amateur 7 March 2020 07: 20 New
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    In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

    It is necessary to assign the ranks of admirals to at least 10 more people. Then any intelligence, after finding out how many admirals are in the naval forces of the outskirts and counting them on the number of naval formations and associations, will be horrified and voluntarily agree to rename the Black Sea to the Ukrainian Sea, and the Azov Sea to Poroshenko’s. fellow
  10. Al Asad 7 March 2020 07: 26 New
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    But what about the RCC "Neptune" annihilating everything and everyone?
    1. Thrifty 7 March 2020 07: 31 New
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      So Neptune probably inadvertently self-annihilated crying lol
  11. Ham
    Ham 7 March 2020 07: 35 New
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    where is the money from, zin? Gold Semi-finished or something found?
  12. Dmitry Potapov 7 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    They are their part of the combat fleet inherited from the section of the Black Sea Fleet pro..fukat now managed to wave to the United States.
  13. Sergey Averchenkov 7 March 2020 07: 48 New
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    Begged all the same ... beggars.
    "The US Congress is informed of the Pentagon’s plans to supply Ukraine with anti-artillery radar stations, patrol boats and other equipment worth $ 125 million." RT
    1. Levin 7 March 2020 07: 53 New
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      See you soon on the black market. wassat
  14. Mountain shooter 7 March 2020 08: 15 New
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    Great idea. Let’s write off a dozen “Berks” to Odessa. And before that, it will be necessary to collect crews, and to study in Hawaii ... so that they come under their own power laughing ... and then the admiral woke up ...
  15. Tusv 7 March 2020 08: 28 New
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    According to him, a dozen such ships are capable of changing the balance of forces in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine.

    Rather, in favor of Ukrainian divers. 10.08.2008/5/3 to remind? Smart ass. RTO Mirage vs XNUMX missile boats. One destroyed, one damaged and flight. Consumption of XNUMX rockets.
    1. Avior 7 March 2020 09: 38 New
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      The Georgians did not have missile boats, and they tried to get closer to the distance of gun fire, therefore
      1. Tusv 7 March 2020 09: 56 New
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        Quote: Avior
        they tried to get closer to the range of gun fire so

        My God with guns on two guard ships. Project 206 MR has two launchers "Termite". They tried to reach the start distance.
  16. Thecubel21 7 March 2020 08: 33 New
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    Yes, as recently as yesterday, it seemed like the news was that the United States sent to scrap quite old literal ships. They say it’s expensive to maintain and upgrade them too. But their Ukraine and do not stutter to give. Only boats.
    1. Parsec 7 March 2020 09: 13 New
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      And not literal, and not lateral, especially not tangential, but littoral.
      Do not know the spelling of the term - write "coastal".
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        I apologize. I will write coastal.
  17. Chingachguk 7 March 2020 08: 35 New
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    I completely agree with Misha Samus !!!! One insignificant bunch from Misha and associates towards Russia, after receiving the winged second hand, and the balance will change once and for all. Misha and his prancing brothers will cease to exist.
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  19. novobranets 7 March 2020 08: 39 New
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    To keep even a new serviceable ship is a lot of money fellow . And what about Ukraine, with its "European" economy crying , will do with decommissioned trash, because these costs are an order of magnitude greater? They will put it to the wall until it sinks itself sad ? Verily, your deeds are wonderful, Lord.
  20. Avior 7 March 2020 08: 40 New
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    The only ships that fit these requirements are Perry. But I'm not sure that Harpoons are still being released under the Mk13 launcher and, in general, are they preserved in Perry’s storage?
    More logical mosquito fleet with RCC
    This would indeed create a certain threat in itself by the fact of the presence and would force a part of the Black Sea Fleet to keep part of the forces, and would prevent them from being sent to Syria, for example.
    If you are not able to make RCC yourself - you can buy from the Chinese, inexpensively and they will sell
    True, Americans may be against
    And asking Americans Perry is stupid
    They will devour the entire impoverished budget of the Ukrainian fleet for maintenance.
  21. shinobi 7 March 2020 08: 40 New
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    Well, another dreamer in life. After all, they will have to be equipped from scratch. But practice shows that it costs 1,5 times more than a new ship from the shipyard. Or do they think that they will get scrap with all the body kit? This is, however, a complete clinic.
  22. Ura Orlov 7 March 2020 08: 53 New
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    And here they are, patched, darned, boat veterans of the US war with Vietnam.
  23. strannik1985 7 March 2020 09: 02 New
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    Soon, Ukrainian experts will catch up with English scientists.
    Most likely, uncle had in mind RCA with anti-ship missiles of the Harpoon type. It remains to find such in the US Navy.
  24. Barmal 7 March 2020 09: 06 New
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    Drown when leaving the port.
  25. Dmitry starik 7 March 2020 09: 08 New
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    Do they feed the cruiser?
  26. rocket757 7 March 2020 09: 17 New
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    Do you want to ruin someone, give him a cruiser!
    There is no need to discuss this brad further.
  27. grandfather_Kostya 7 March 2020 09: 19 New
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    Pentagon: - "Cruise missiles also decommissioned please deign?"
  28. Prisoner 7 March 2020 09: 29 New
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    There, at least for the divorce of clever left or all ?! This dEbil decided to fill up the Black Sea with garbage?
  29. Ross xnumx 7 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    In Kiev, found a way to change the balance of power in the Black Sea in favor of Ukraine

    Strange ... 68 comments, but no one remembered:
    “(Stupid person) with the thought of a rad, her win and a bag”
  30. businessv 7 March 2020 09: 57 New
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    It remains only to understand what of the presented list Ukraine wants to receive and in what quantity?
    Why understand that it is the square that floods Nikolaev and Nikolaev at the entrance to Odessa, or cut it into scrap metal, as she did with all her allied legacy !?
  31. alekc75 7 March 2020 10: 00 New
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    wrap one pipe with tape on each boat - and let Russia wonder what they put in there!
  32. Sergey_33 7 March 2020 10: 02 New
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    Submarine .. Apple .. In the steppes of Ukraine it is the place.
  33. artifact 7 March 2020 10: 13 New
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    decommissioned ships with decommissioned missiles for decommissioned Ukraine ... now it’s for sure to pan over and how to pile on damned masks ...
  34. Gato 7 March 2020 10: 17 New
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    Ukrainian Truth, 2024:
    "Due to the overwhelming superiority of the Russian Rybnadzor, the Ukrainian fleet, led by the flagship Petro Poroshenko’s flagship armored squadron, was relocated to the Zhabyacha Zatoka naval naval base (Lviv region)." wassat
  35. Irek 7 March 2020 10: 17 New
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    Second hand country.
  36. Igor Pa 7 March 2020 10: 31 New
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    They hinted that it was time to write off the burki.
  37. TatarinSSSR 7 March 2020 10: 33 New
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    The title is misleading. Finding a way and dreaming are two different things. With the same success I can dream - give me a billion I and will become richer than my neighbor.
  38. Lelek 7 March 2020 10: 45 New
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    (If we are talking about strengthening Ukraine in the maritime direction, then only the USA can help us here. Quickly give us a certain amount of at least a second-hand rocket ship. A dozen ships with cruise missiles can change the balance in the Black Sea)

    Mdya, the inescapable craving of dill for freebies under Russophobic sauce. Ditch their industry, and then ..., then beg for "second-hand", knowing the nature of the Anglo-Saxon - "not even shit for free." Ofisdepit.
  39. shoroh 7 March 2020 11: 26 New
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    Given that the average pension in Ukraine in terms of rubles is about 8700 thousand, after transferring a couple of old cruisers to them, Ukraine itself will start asking for a vehicle in the absence of means of subsistence.
  40. Vasyan1971 7 March 2020 11: 27 New
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    US decommissioned ships withdrawn from the US Navy are the only means to strengthen the Ukrainian Navy,

    Good old principles: "If you don’t have something, replace it with what you have."
  41. rotkiv04 7 March 2020 11: 50 New
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    This is a country of victorious idiocy and commands a clown idiot there
  42. Lord of the Sith 7 March 2020 12: 01 New
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    If you want to ruin a country, give it a cruiser.

    In this case, what they want in \ on.

    Well, will they get it, will something change? Never mind. Only at the service they will go bankrupt, small provocations can take place, but Russia does not cost anything to sink these little ships.
  43. Ezekiel 25-17 7 March 2020 12: 30 New
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    Let them buy "Missouri" in the USA, just according to their ambitions.
  44. Victor March 47 7 March 2020 12: 34 New
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    If you get three or four AUGs as a gift complete with all the escorts, then ....
    I wonder what they should give to the penguins by the roof so that they agree to PROMISE?
  45. iouris 7 March 2020 12: 56 New
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    They just bury it unexpectedly.
  46. Vanya Tikhiy 7 March 2020 13: 00 New
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    Now the owner, from the hole of the VSA, will fuse all his trash to his lackeys from stale for good money.
  47. Grandfather Crimea 7 March 2020 15: 55 New
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    Here and there’s nothing to comment on, everything is simple and funny)))
  48. oks537 7 March 2020 16: 36 New
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    Good people, I'm sorry that we are contacting you, help how many missile boats you can against the damned Muscovites, may God give you health ...
  49. rehev931 7 March 2020 18: 26 New
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    Both that and another and it is possible without bread !!! wassat wassat
  50. Shuttle 7 March 2020 19: 23 New
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    But if you seriously think about it, although this is difficult in this case, what kind of American weapons in the hands of Bandera could somehow contribute to a serious change in the current balance of power?
    Submarines?
    Cruisers URO?
    Light aircraft carriers?
    Hovercraft?
    Give the USA to Ukraine at least some of this will have to learn. I remember that the Americans already supplied counter-battery combat radar to Nenka. The radars of the Ukrainians ran out.