Safety corridor on the M4 road: Turkish media said that Putin and Erdogan were discussing not only Idlib

Turkish media are actively commenting on the hours-long negotiations between Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan that ended on the eve.

Turkish military correspondents reportedly "monitored the situation in Idlib from 0:00 on March 6th." It is noted that with the advent of new days in the Syrian province ceased fire. From a message from Haber correspondents:

Our team has been keeping abreast in this region all night. The fire stopped, the explosions stopped, the flights aviation have ceased.

Further, specific agreements on Syria (other than those related to the ceasefire in Idlib) are reported. As it turned out, the Turkish president was not only concerned about Idlib at these negotiations.

So, it is reported that Putin and Erdogan agreed to create a so-called security corridor up to 6 km deep in the northern part of the M4 highway. We are talking about the highway, which goes from Aleppo through the entire north of the SAR towards the eastern borders of the country. After patrolling the famous Turkish operation, difficulties arose in patrolling the area.

From the report:

Joint Turkish-Russian military patrols east of the Euphrates will provide security.

Judging by the attention paid to this by the Turkish media, for Ankara this is no less important than the situation in Idlib. The fact is that Turkey is trying, under certain conditions, to create a border buffer along the entire Syrian-Turkish border.

This suggests that Erdogan is worried, to put it mildly, to a large extent, the issue of Kurdish armed forces in the north and northeast of Syria.

As noted, the presidents also agreed on channels for the delivery of humanitarian assistance to Idlib residents and to facilitate the return of refugees to their homes in this Syrian province.

Comments

[Livonetc]

As expected.
Kurdish guarantees and joint patrols.
The question is whether the Turks will be able to calm the militants this time.

[bald]

Gennady hello. Because of the Kurds fly to Moscow?, I'm sorry.

[Shurik70]

On a map of the neighborhood of Raqqa, not Idlib.
And what does yellow color mean. Nothing?

[dorz]

The situation in the province of Idlib, taking into account the agreements reached between Putin and Erdogan:

[Nastia makarova]

as I said, there will be a truce and the idlib will be divided in half)))))

[Nastia makarova]

answer but later

[dauria]

But I do not agree, for my actions, fucking should answer

Like a week ago, I repeat - To all local peasants to distribute sapper shovels and learn tactics - we have no brains for more.
Nastya should be sent as an adviser to Lavrov - her strategy is all right.

[Livonetc]

Maybe this is a security zone?

[bald]

Gennady, there’s some sort of stray formed, Be careful.

[Livonetc]

So for what?
Not for the sake of a dream of a new Ottoman Empire.
Moscow has historically been the grave of this dream.
Moscow is more likely a chance of a new impetus to Turkey’s economic development.
Then for stability?

[maidan.izrailovich]

The question is whether the Turks will be able to calm the militants this time.

They (Turks) could reassure the militants before that. And if they have not reassured, then they do not want this.

[Livonetc]

The question is, actually.
Most likely, not all groups want to submit to Turkey.
Rather, allies in case of coincidence of interests at a certain moment.

[musorg]

More precisely whether they want to! And they can be able to.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Livonetc

Kurdish guarantees and joint patrols.
The question is whether the Turks will be able to calm the militants this time.

Nobody can give them guarantees. Is it really Russia? Judging by the first patrol, the Turkish armored car hung so tightly at the stern of the Russian KAMAZ that the distance was about a meter. So it was afraid of poor blasting. The militants obey them only partially, a large half do not. Therefore, the day two and they will start attacking again.

[Paul Siebert]

The question is whether the Turks will be able to calm the militants this time.

Turks are militants. Erdogan oversees the Muslim Brotherhood party. An organization recognized as terrorist.
To support this party, it is also climbing into Libya, protecting its regime in Tripoli.
Arranging joint patrols with askers is ridiculous and harmful.
It's like carrying an adder in your bosom.

[Deniska999]

Strictly speaking, the parties simply took a break. Common words, and only ...

[Dude]

Quote: Deniska999

Strictly speaking, the parties simply took a break. Common words, and only ...

I got exactly the same impression, judging by the stinginess of official statements. However, the Turkish side was marked by rather bold statements, which, in view of their relatively strong military position, as well as the need to play on the patriotic feelings of the Turkish electorate, is understandable. Nevertheless, at the moment, we have not failed in our negotiating position.
From a personal emotional one, I didn’t like how persistently our President expressed his condolences to the Sultan. But this, I emphasize - is solely my emotional assessment.

[bessmertniy]

Everything is clearly freezing. It is better not to rejoice at tomatoes in the Turkish beds. And Turkish hotels should roll up their lips about the income from our tourists.

[Dude]

Quote: bessmertniy

Everything is clearly freezing. It is better not to rejoice at tomatoes in the Turkish beds. And Turkish hotels should roll up their lips about the income from our tourists.

Well, your words - to God’s ears ... Personally, I could never understand what was the point of integrating the Turkish economy into ours (starting with the mass arrival of Turkish builders in our two capitals, back in the 90s), and, contemporary to us - the Russian economy in Turkey (Potok, S-400, nuclear power plants, etc.).
Geopolitical contradictions are far from resolved, like ballet from MMA, why is this artificial friendship? And, exclusively, from our side?
In general, I cannot understand the aspirations of Vladimir Vladimirovich, to please everyone to partners.

[bessmertniy]

I also do not understand what the hell these Turkish builders were for us when ours were unemployed.

[_Ugene_]

I also do not understand what the hell these Turkish builders were for us when ours were unemployed.

You are simply not in the subject, in fact, the Turks are building with us for purely economic reasons - they are building better, faster and cheaper than ours, alas, but this is true. I myself am not enthusiastic about this, but the customer votes in rubles, the market

[Dude]

Quote: bessmertniy

I also do not understand what the hell these Turkish builders were for us when ours were unemployed.

Some "Unknown Fathers" (c) made very good money on this

[V1er]

There is no trust in the Turks. It was already, the militants from the de-escalation zone launched drones at our base and fired at the positions of the SAA.

[master 52]

better a bad peace than war, only there will be no peace. there people in Idlib earn in the war. if the Kurds for the most part throw stones at the Turks, then m4 will be in our

[bald]

It seems completely different - the opposite is true. Remember who wanted to dunk Erdogan and whose hands. Now it’s closer who is giving away at the moment by the Turkish army - there isn’t not the Minister of Defense - no matter how ridiculous it sounds - relatives - this is crazy for us.

[bessmertniy]

I repent, I personally wanted to. Do it yourself. However, the hands grew short and weak. I can’t reach it.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Turks do not change over the centuries. Screaming pontorez.

[Ross xnumx]

Will provide security joint Turkish-Russian military patrols east of the Euphrates.

This decision is the most annoying. The situation is not yet ripe for the Russian military (military police) to patrol together. Well, there is no TRUST for this Turkish side ...
NOT!!!
It is clear that this is almost the same thing as walking along the corridors of the Kremlin together with the Turkish delegation.

[maidan.izrailovich]

In short, the situation freezes again. And all the dots above "and" are not dotted.
And this is ....

... the presidents also agreed on channels for the delivery of humanitarian aid to residents ...

... so generally a gift to Erdogan.
We already understand what "residents" the Turks will supply "humanitarian aid" to.
So the war continues.

[Dude]

So the war continues.

Undoubtedly. Conflict, a priori, geostrategic. Moreover, it is between Turkey and Russia. Both countries are striving to radically strengthen their positions not only in the East, but also in the entire Mediterranean, as a whole, and not only (here there is competition in the global global arms market, and mutually beneficial, it seems, partnership in many sectors of the economy, and mutually exclusive interests of our countries in the Black Sea region, Crimea, Ukraine, Armenia, etc., etc., etc., - everything is very tightly tied into one knot).
Yes, and the imperial and restoration aspirations of Turkey, which to us, frankly, like a sickle ...
Everything is not easy there.

[Vasyan1971]

Further, specific agreements on Syria are reported ...

No, I missed something, apparently. What exactly have you got it? How did the arrow end? By the list. Sultan thunder and lightning metal, threatened with threats, fired from guns across the border ... What in the dry residue do we have now? Where to read?

[Andobor]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Sultan thunder and lightning metal, threatened with threats, fired from guns across the border ...

- M 4 merged, except that in fact they occupied, - and is not mentioned at all.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Vasyan1971

What is the bottom line now? Where to read?

Where to read without a clue, maybe some experts. I see the situation, so the conflict was frozen, both sides made concessions and compromises. Honestly, I don’t see the victory of Russia here .... since the terrorists hid under the umbrella of Turkey in Idlib and now no one will bomb them, since for every blow against them there will be a response to the Syrian troops and this is a violation of the agreement and our side is the first to this will not work, then Idlib could not completely liberate everything, half remained with the Turkish side and it seems that it is not going to give it up at all, and when the SAA tries to start a counterterrorist operation again, the army is leading the army and the conflict will flare up with renewed vigor. By the way, at the press conference after the talks, Erdogan had nothing at all about disarming the militants, only "Assad's regime is to blame for everything" and that the regime's troops are responsible for the situation in Idlib, that is, he did not change his vision and position, which means that the militants, as they were, will remain on the Turkish side in Idlib. Although ours really were able to impose their own conditions, the territory that the SAA recaptured from the protrok remains with the Syrians, that's basically all.

[Vasyan1971]

In short, they merged on the brakes, it turns out. We bought Barmaley lives at the expense of Turkish ones. But the barmaley are such an audience that they will rest, rinse their pants and climb again. So what? Say Slo'va in response? A constant hotbed of tension? Or another "Unrecognized Turkish Republic" like the Cypriot one?
I swim finely, apparently - I’m not catching up ...

[Aleksandr21]

Apparently the stake is on the prudence of the Turkish leadership, and that Erdogan’s Ottoman ambitions outweigh the economic interests and ties between Russia and Turkey, while the conflict froze, it will not be known ... if Turkey is satisfied with the current conditions, then the situation in Idlib could be frozen for a long time, if not, then we will see new attempts by pro-Turkish militants to recapture the territory occupied by the SAA. What Russia will do in this case, without a clue, but ours clearly expect that the Turkish side will fulfill its obligations. But it will be a hotbed of tension, the militants will not go anywhere, Turkey does not plan to disarm them, and it is impossible to liquidate them either, any such attempt will lead to retaliatory military actions from the Turkish side, so there’s a dead end.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Aleksandr21

while the conflict froze

Quote: Aleksandr21

so it's a dead end.

Apparently, yes.

[Dude]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Quote: Aleksandr21

while the conflict froze

Quote: Aleksandr21

so it's a dead end.

Apparently, yes.

At the moment, the situational deadlock is undeniable.
Exclusively IMHO - judging by the very long time spent by top officials on negotiations in the "face-to-eye" format - I do not exclude a considerable number of highly confidential agreements.
Considering that one and the other leader have an urgent need, at the moment, very much to look back on their own internal electorate and on the opposition (in the broad sense of the word) forces within their countries - I won’t be surprised if I’m not far from the truth .
However, time will tell.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Further, specific agreements on Syria are reported ...

No, I missed something, apparently. What exactly have you got it? How did the arrow end? By the list. Sultan thunder and lightning metal, threatened with threats, fired from guns across the border ... What in the dry residue do we have now? Where to read?

The bottom line is approximately the following: RF-Turkey, the score is conditionally draw. Of the losers, Assad is currently conditionally. Because in spite of some territorial acquisitions, he suffered significant losses in equipment, which the Russian Federation will surely make up for, and I also think that there are significant losses in the advancing troops. They even wrote about the death of the Tiger commander, but most likely this is a fake. But the loss of several senior commanders, the Syrians recognized.
Assad’s most significant loss is that starting an offensive with insufficient forces, and as a result, signing a ceasefire. It made it possible for Turkey to actually openly consolidate the occupied territories for itself (source MK.ru):
As a result, journalists had to literally catch Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on the move to find out the main thing: "But what about the military operation in Idlib? Will she not be under any circumstances?". "Yes," - he answered in monosyllables. And I also found it possible to add that in the near future the provisions of the memorandum on stabilization of the situation in Idlib, which was signed on the sidelines of the Russian-Turkish negotiations, agree with the Syrian government.
(Goblin - the second time we (Russia) share Idlib with Turkey, WITHOUT Syria)

Source Kommersant: On March 5, the presidents of Russia and Turkey, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, held talks and agreed on a memorandum to resolve the situation in Syria:
Russia and Turkey agree that the Syrian conflict has no military solution;
from 0:00 on March 6, a ceasefire will be introduced in Idlib;
a security corridor will be created 6 km north and south of the M4 highway in Syria;
from March 15, a joint Russian-Turkish patrol will begin along the M4 highway in Syria;
the parties reaffirmed their commitment to the sovereignty of Syria and expressed their intention to fight terrorism;
Turkey reserves the right to respond to the actions of the Syrian government forces.

However, most likely this is a temporary pause (I do not know how much), because the contradictions between Turia and the SAR with the signing of this truce have not disappeared. And it is unlikely at the moment at least which of the parties is ready to abandon claims to Idlib. Surely preparations will be made for the new database and when one of the parties considers itself strong enough, the other will be accused of non-compliance with the agreement and everything will start again.
It is also interesting what other issues were considered during the bidding on Idlib. First of all, you need to pay attention to Libya. I admit that Erdogan could have received as compensation the consent of the Russian Federation not to oppose him in Libya, especially since the interests of the Russian Federation in Libya and Syria are not comparable.

PS Preservation of Syria within its former borders. As before, I continue to believe that this is not possible in the foreseeable future.

[Salty]

Quote: Leshy1975

RF-Turkey, conditionally draw

Not quite so: RF-USA, the score is 1: 0. Turkey is not a player, Turkey is a figure in the game. So is Assad. The Sultan announced that he would "rip off the hands of the regime," but without tearing anything off, he calmed down. Having lost a good piece of "conditionally" territory and showing the world that it is not safe to troll Russia.

Quote: Leshy1975

Russia and Turkey agree that the Syrian conflict has no military solution

Isn’t you here prophesying a quick war with Turkey, oh great AI?

Quote: Leshy1975

I admit that Erdogan could have received as compensation the consent of the Russian Federation not to oppose him in Libya

Don't beg. Nothing good happened for you, the "redhead" resisted and won another, albeit small, victory in foreign policy.

Quote: Leshy1975

Still keep counting

Try not to count, but to think, but what if it works out?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: SaltY

Isn’t you here prophesying a quick war with Turkey, oh great AI?

No, not me. I do not need to ascribe other people's words. I just insisted that the Russian Federation has no chance to defeat Turkey precisely in Syria, and the forces there. On which I continue to insist.

And I promised, the reincarnation of Golovan, to ignore you. And here, you can blame me for not fully fulfilling this promise.

[Salty]

No, not me. I do not need to ascribe other people's words

I apologize, that means I confused you with someone.

Quote: Leshy1975

I, the reincarnation of Golovan,

Oh, and you, too, the reincarnation of Golovan? By the way, I already have it in my mail, and Vatsape will be there soon. He promises to appear here next week. It seems that he is a serious pain for you, and not only for you. Get ready.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Leshy1975

Of the losers, Assad is currently conditionally.

He was from the very beginning. The question was: "How much?" Happiness that at least he repulsed it.

Quote: Leshy1975

As before, I continue to believe that this is not possible in the foreseeable future.

I bow to the same. Not to mention that the Americans will not return the extracted oil. Tearing Syria all and sundry. Jews, Americans, Turks and absolutely outright bandits ...

[askort154]

So, it is reported that Putin and Erdogan agreed to create a so-called security corridor up to 6 km deep in the northern part of the M4 highway


They pretended to agree on something. This could be solved by telephone.
Most likely, this is the tip of the iceberg for the media. The underwater part is not for publicity.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: askort154

Most likely, this is the tip of the iceberg for the media. The underwater part is not for publicity.

Yes. "We agreed to abide by the previously reached agreements" - what does this mean? Will the Syrians give back the repulsed? Will they stop there? Will you continue? Barmaley will become goodies and will not shit because of Turkish backs?
What the Syrian fighters died for is understandable - for their land. And why did the Janissary grind? Like bought Barmalean lives at the expense of the Turkish?
I can’t see from my sofa ...

[Dmitry Bolotsky]

Judging by the map, a huge piece was given by the Turks without fighting. Plus, both strategic routes will not have to be fired by barmales. Why discouragement in discussions? If I understood everything correctly, this is a serious victory.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Judging by the map ....
If I understood everything correctly, this is a serious victory.

It was beautiful on paper ....
Wait and see.

[Andobor]

Quote: Dmitry Bolotsky

Why discouragement in discussions?

Because the interested and active part of the commentators, like everywhere else on the net, is a hired crap, Ukrainians usually work, they know the language and are very cheap, so they use Western money to fight "Russian propaganda" - there is no other job in Ukraine and poverty is beaten ... For example, it never occurs to me to jump and yell, despite the brilliant achievements.

[Sergst]

Quote: Vasyan1971

No, I missed something, apparently. What exactly have you got it? How did the arrow end? By the list. Sultan thunder and lightning metal, threatened with threats, fired from guns across the border ... What in the dry residue do we have now? Where to read?

There is such a site kremlin.ru - there is primary information about the negotiations.

[Artemy Morozov]

Violation of the truce will definitely be. And the parties will begin to blame each other. In this regard, I see only a massive blow to terrorists and the capture of Idlib with the deployment of our contingent along the border with Turkey. Further negotiations and economic pressure from both sides, where the Turks will be the loser.

[Andobor]

Quote: Artemy Morozov

Violation of the truce will definitely be. And the parties will begin to blame each other.

The agreement in advance contains demands that were obviously impracticable for militants, just as their previous Sochi agreement contained, the Sochi agreement ended in occupying half of the Idlib zone and destroying a significant part of the stubborn militants whom the Turks had made for Assad.

[signifera]

So what about a piece south of the security zone? Not quite clear. There you can finish off the militants or a truce? Whose is it in the end?

[Vaddik]

Since it is not prohibited by the treaty, then you can probably finish off before the exit to the "security corridor"

[Dimas54]

Quote: Dmitry Bolotsky

If I understood everything correctly, this is a serious victory.

It’s interesting how the GDP killed Erdogan to hand over such a piece without a fight, and even M4 without a fight.

[faterdom]

Well, what Turkey wanted, on the eve of the visit, it was completely bluntly voiced by its upper people. What did you get? To put it mildly, from the donkey's ears, and even that is one. But the trend is marked - they will still indulge and incite - the next time everything will be much worse.
Yes, and the holiday season, I think, the Turks can already record for themselves as a minus, dispersed a muddy wave of bashbuzuk - let it themselves digest it there now.

[Igor Gul]

Well, Idlib is understandable. What about Serakib?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Igor Gul

What about Serakib?

With Serakib, everything remained in the hands of the rightful owner, like the entire M5 highway. And already from the fork with M4 and further along it will go "neutral". Let it be for now.

[Vaddik]

A truce for a while. Until the next halving of the control zone of the militants.

[iouris]

There is reason to believe that Erdogan discussed not only Idlib and the Kurds, but also his (personal) fate. The militants in Idlib will not be allowed to dispose of the States. Militants will advance and demand support from the Turkish army, and the opposition, using this topic, will overthrow Erdogan a little (but very democratic, not at all painful).

[Mountain shooter]

Too little time has passed. The Turks did not abandon their plans. Just temporarily silenced. Again, the tourist season can be disrupted. 6 million tourists from Russia !!! And every minimum of a piece of bucks will bring (on average) ... they rivet themselves a lot more drones, dig up ammunition, and try again in the fall, IMHO.