In Turkey, presented some details of the attacks on the Su-24 and L-39 of the Syrian Air Force

The Turkish media publish some details of how the Turkish Air Force acted, shooting down the planes of the Syrian air force. Recall that over the past few days, Turkey shot down three aircraft of the SAR Air Force: two Su-24 bombers and a combat training L-39.

It is noted that all these aircraft were shot down by F-16 fighters, which were not included in the airspace of the Syrian Arab Republic. To strike, air-to-air missiles were used.

From the material on the Haber TV channel:

And although the airspace over Idlib Damascus was closed, this did not prevent the F-16 crews from delivering accurate strikes and destroying three regime aircraft. Turkish pilots really intimidated air force pilots of the regime - they bring down planes without crossing borders.

The report, citing the command of the Turkish Air Force, states that both the Su-24 and L-39 were spotted by radars even at the moment when they took off from the airfields of the base.

From the report:

The processed radar data was transmitted to the crews of the F-16. Aircraft of the Turkish Air Force as close to the air borders (Syria), focused on targets and struck with long-range air-to-air missiles.

The statement of the professor of the University of Uludag Ferhat Pirinci is given:

Turkish combat aviation did everything to reduce the number of regime aviation sorties over Idlib. As the planes were hit one by one, Assad began to panic.

Apparently, the Turkish professor "personally observed" the emotions of Bashar al-Assad, if he allows himself such statements. In this case, one should ask if there was a panic for Recep Erdogan when almost four dozen coffins with dead Turkish soldiers were delivered to Turkey in the last few days.

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[Victor_B]

Apparently, the Turkish professor "personally observed" the emotions of Bashar al-Assad, if he allows himself such statements.

"The rich inner world" drove his pen!

[figwam]

Quote: Victor_B

"The rich inner world" drove his pen!

And he wrote while lying on the wreckage of Turkish drones, autographed by Erdogan.

[Sky strike fighter]

Assad seems to be setting the stage for compromise.

"What hostile action - big or small - did Syria commit against Turkey? It does not exist. There are Syrian-Turkish marriages, there are families, there are vital common interests. , - he said in an interview with the TV channel "Russia 24".
Also, the Syrian leader called the Turks a fraternal people and said that it was not clear why they would die in a foreign country.

https://ria.ru/20200304/1568153504.html

[Sky strike fighter]

Turkey is also preparing for a compromise.

at a meeting with the Russian leader, Erdogan will raise the question not only of the situation in Idlib, but also of Turkish-Russian relations in general. The talks will also discuss economic ties between Turkey and Russia. Turkish gas, a nuclear power plant, S-400, which are part of a range of issues related to the economy, are of great importance not only from an economic, but also from a strategic point of view. A signal will be given that Turkish-Russian relations are not only Idlib, but they can suffer because of it.

For Turkey, the Idlib issue is an important milestone. It is noted that if we abandon Idlib, then the turn will come to the areas of operations "Olive Branch", "Shield of the Euphrates" and "Source of Peace".

Expectations from negotiations can be summarized as follows:

1. The announcement of a sustainable ceasefire.

2. Idlib's declaration of a safe zone.

Turkey is not allowed to use the airspace of Idlib. As a result of the announcement of the safe zone in Idlib, not only Turkish planes, but also regime planes, Russian aviation will not fly here.

https://inosmi.ru/politic/20200304/246986079.html

[Nikolay73]

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched...

[Karaul73]

Those who sit on top rarely have panic from such troubles. They have already gone through a good school of life. And the loss is war. Today they beat us, tomorrow we will break.

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

And why should Erdogan panic? They didn’t deliver him in a coffin! He called those who died martyrs and bribes smooth! And the exile of the school desk without fear of an answer can only be compared with the heroes of the Israelites. They always do that.

[Kronos]

You confuse war with knightly duels where there is a certain code

[Grits]

Quote: VASYA ZYUZKIN

And the exile of the school desk without fear of an answer can only be compared with the heroes of the Israelites. They always do that.

It looks, of course, disgusting and vile in our understanding. But in war it is called "military cunning" or "all means are good." Here the question is different - why can the Turks and Jews do this, but the Syrians cannot?

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

I will answer both! More precisely, I will ask!)))) How long has Turkey declared war on Syria? If there is a counter-terrorist operation in which Turkey participates on obligations not on the side of the terrorists. And if you judge logically, Turkey, Syria and Russia are allies in the fight against terrorists. So? So the plane shot down is not a military trick, but the usual rat-dog

[Alexey from Perm]

Because Turks and Jews are strong, and Syria is weak

[Dog]

Quote: Gritsa

It looks, of course, vile and vile in our understanding

In any sense.

Quote: Gritsa

But in war

I missed the moment when Turkey declared war on Syria. There would be a war, a dozen roadblocks packed with Turks would have long been burned to the ground with all their contents. And so, the Syrians do not touch them, even they supply to them, because there is no type of war, and Turkish ghouls beat the Syrians from under the silence. This is an act of cowardly, cowardly ghouls, and not war.
This is from a series of selukovy imbicism like "but what for me?" Like, don't touch the Turks at the checkpoints, they are here in peace, while other Turks, meanwhile, are stabbing the Syrians in the back with a knife.

[alexmach]

There would be a war, a dozen roadblocks packed with Turks would have long been burned to the ground with all their contents. And so the Syrians do not touch them, even they supply to them, because there is no type of war, and Turkish ghouls beat the Syrians from under the silence

Very practical remark.
Strange War - 2

[alexmach]

Here the question is different - why can Turks and Jews do this, but not Syrians?

because
1. nothing
2. As a result, you can row several times stronger.

[Dog]

Quote: alexmach

1. nothing
2. as a result you can row several times stronger

Israel would have long been devoured by the Arabs and the Persians, if you discuss your "otgret" purely in terms of the alignment of regional forces.
The point is in the striped owners, who themselves spat on international law and their servants sometimes even spit there

[alexmach]

Israel would have long been devoured by the Arabs and the Persians, if you discuss your "otgret" purely in terms of the alignment of regional forces.

The facts seem to speak against this, especially now when, from the Arab countries, essentially no stone was left on the stone, and those from which remained friendly with Israel.

[Dog]

Quote: alexmach

The facts seem to speak against it.

Data? Like the ones that home-made products from Gaza regularly "pierce" Israel's hyped dome? A missile strike against Iran, for example, looks very menacing against this background.
As far as I understand, Israel itself states that it is not capable of waging a serious war with the surrounding "ill-wishers," and therefore must look for other ways to prolong its existence. But the local comrades from Israel, obviously, have a different opinion - they know better, here, and logic with facts does not always help.

[alexmach]

A missile strike, for example, Iran against this background looks very menacing

What about the rocket attacks of Iraq during the time of the Desert Storm?
Listen to how many wars they have already survived there?

As far as I understand, Israel itself states that it is not capable of waging a serious war with the surrounding "ill-wishers," and therefore must look for other ways to prolong its existence.

And the movers are capable of? Who! Iran, perhaps, but 100% of the USA will enter the war against it.
And exactly such a doctrine declares? Other ways this is not a war of little blood on the territory of the enemy as the last 6 times?

[Dog]

Quote: alexmach

What about the rocket attacks of Iraq during the time of the Desert Storm?

Modern Iran is not correctly compared with Iraq of Hossein, Iran’s missile weapons today are much more developed.
And comparing amers and Israelis is generally ridiculous.

Quote: alexmach

but against it 100% USA

About this I wrote the same.

Quote: Dog

The thing is the striped hosts,

Do we understand each other?

[businessv]

Quote: Gritsa

Here the question is different - why can Turks and Jews do this, but not Syrians?

I agree, one F16 would help correct the situation and restore the parity of this no-fly zone!

[Dog]

Quote: VASYA ZYUZKIN

And why should Erdogan panic?

It is old and biliary, it kills such a coronovirus. It will become infected during the transfer of the Chinese MANPADS to terrorists, or someone from the Iranian delegation sneezes at him inadvertently in the negotiations - and that’s all, write it is gone.

[Sasha_5]

Well then, the operation of the Russian VKS in Syria is also a peremptory bombing of infantry without fear of an answer. It is strange that none of the Russian troops, no one goes wall to wall in Syria with Idlib members. But you have all the cards in your hands, you can get up from the couch and go set an example of stiffness, show what kind of a dick you are

[Dog]

Quote: Sasha_5

Russian VKS operation

We have honestly said "I'm going for you" to terrorist groups. The Turks, hiding behind the absence of war, want to feel calm at checkpoints and maneuver their means without encroaching on Syria, but at the same time they themselves beat the Syrians.

Quote: Sasha_5

hero

Heroes have already smeared all the keyboards with fat, cursing themselves before the Turks by writing their not-so-distant posts here on VO.

[Rakovor]

Go to bed, pan, or rather jump.

[New Year day]

The processed radar data was transmitted to the crews of the F-16. Aircraft of the Turkish Air Force as close to the air borders (Syria), focused on targets and struck with long-range air-to-air missiles.

from around the corner scorching. Syria is afraid to enter the airspace. So nothing prevents the rocket from flying outside Syria towards Turkey

[cniza]

So it is true, but then Turkey will raise a howl and demand protection from NATO, they really want to crank up this option ...

[the most important]

Quote: cniza

So it is true, but then Turkey will raise a howl and demand protection from NATO, they really want to crank up this option ...

And this is all due to the action of Turkish electronic warfare !!! Missiles go crazy and fly .. fly ... preferably immediately to the palace to the Sultan. Is there really no explanation for such a phenomenon?

[novobranets]

Quote: Silvestr

nothing prevents the rocket from flying outside Syria towards Turkey

Erdogan will dance with joy, this rocket will give rise to NATO to give him armed support. While the Turks are fighting on foreign territory, they will not see this support, but as soon as a Turkish plane is shot down over Turkey ...

[Revival]

It will not give anything.
What a formalism is strained. The attacking plane is the attacking plane.
The main goal of the action, if Turkey attacked and bombed someone without crossing the border, then it is an aggressor, even if the plane is abroad even inside

[novobranets]

Quote: Revival

What a formalism is strained.

Quote: Revival

if Turkey attacked and bombed someone without crossing the border, then it is an aggressor, even though abroad the plane is even inside

In international relations, formalities are sometimes critical. I cannot but agree that Turkey is acting as an aggressor, but here an incident arises - quite recently Russia and Turkey held consultations and came to an agreement on Idlib. Even after conducting several joint control and patrol operations. That is, one of the parties is legally present in Syria, and the second signed a memorandum with it. Here's a Kuken Kwaken. Situevina is confused. Now with regard to the shooting down of a plane over Turkey. The NATO charter prohibits other members of this gang from interfering if one of the parties is conducting a database in another country, which is now happening, but if you shoot down a Turk over the territory of Turkey itself, this will be regarded as an attack on an accomplice, and the whole gang, finding a reason and joyfully calling , will rush to shred the already exsanguinated Syria. They will consider it "by concept." Then even a limited contingent of the RF Armed Forces in Syria will not keep the situation. How the development of events will go is anyone's guess. Ugh, how many letters came out. Something like this. I hope I got it clear?

[Smoke]

how did you get your stupidity, what kind of NATO are you ramming here? NATO will give an answer only if there is an attack on one of the NATO countries, all the DOT! But there is no attack, Turkey itself, at its own peril and risk, acts

[novobranets]

Go oversleep, and when you sober up, read something about NATO at your leisure. And you will be rude at home if you know how to dodge a frying pan.

[Smoke]

before you insert your stupid five pennies, you should at least bother to read and familiarize yourself with the NATO charter! And this is not rudeness, this is the real truth that you take offense!

[figwam]

Quote: Silvestr

from around the corner scorching.

Here the Turk contradicts himself.

Aircraft of the Turkish Air Force as close as possible to the air borders (Syria), focused on targets and struck long-range air-to-air missiles.

If long-range missiles are used, then you don’t need to approach the Syrian border as much as possible, you can hit from the depths of your country because Syrian planes fly 20-30 kilometers from the border. I do not exclude that this is a Turkish desa to block the entry of Turkish F-16s into the Syrian sky.

[Vitaly161]

less launch range, more likely to hit the target, so looping at its very border is justified, albeit risky

[figwam]

Quote: Vitaliy161

less launch range, more likely to hit a target

So the AIM-120 has a range of 120 kilometers, it will fly to Tartus, not just near the border.

[Vitaly161]

you understand that at the final stages of the flight the explosive rocket flies by inertia, which means it is limited in maneuver, the closer the target, the more energy the explosive rocket has, the greater the probability of defeat, and as it turns out the Syrians can maneuver, the Su-22 left the missile launched F-16m (written in the next topic)

[figwam]

Quote: Vitaliy161

you understand

The Turks themselves are then substituted, in preparation for the launch, the F-16 radar is operating and thereby gives out its location to the Syrian and Russian air defense.

[Vitaly161]

doesn’t need the Turkish f-16 radar to turn on, AWAX induces them, all target designation from it

[figwam]

Quote: Vitaliy161

AWACS induces them,

Well, if f-16 bombers are constantly shooting down with AVKS, then why ours will not help the Syrians with electronic warfare systems is not clear.

[Advisor to the Council of Advisers]

Perhaps - ours just feel the situation and watch how the enemy behaves .. Dangle on a mustache.
Why not?

upd. It is clear here that we cannot fully act in this situation, but it is very possible to extract advantages.

[5-9]

When firing at Tartus or flying towards a rocket, the plane is 1,5M, provided that it is launched with an excess and speed of 1,5M .... this is a ballistic range.

[501 Legion]

many questions to this whole garbage. and the main ones to Russia. if she is so worried about Syria the country where she entered

[Thrifty]

Familiar handwriting, beat from afar, especially since airplanes with weaker combat capabilities are in the air. The same L39 is used as a Syria attack aircraft not from a good life. This is actually a training aircraft, which is not easy to shoot down, but very simple! I agree, for example, the Turks would have shot down MiG 29, then this is understandable. It seems like equal rivals, but this will be understandable only if the Syrians would have had missiles of increased range for their aircraft.

[Alexander 1386]

http://in24.org/world/38832?utm_source=warfiles.ru
They now have such missiles. According to this source

[Thrifty]

Alexander 1386 -That's right, "now"! And until today, what they could oppose, something old, with weaker characteristics, and the Syrian fleet is small and mostly aircraft of old models, the same MiG29 also cried. ..

[Vitaly161]

Yes, and MiGs are not the first freshness, but they can at least somehow answer, unlike the Su-24 and L-39, I don’t understand why SAA, like the Yemenis, will not, I screwed the same BB rocket on a pickup truck and shoot for health)

[cniza]

In this case, one wonders if Recep Erdogan was in a panic when almost four dozen coffins with dead Turkish soldiers were delivered to Turkey in the last few days.

And these are still understated figures ...

[Vladimir61]

It is necessary to help Syria to make panic begin at Erdogan!

[Jack O'Neill]

The processed radar data was transmitted to the crews of the F-16. Turkish airplanes as close as possible to the air borders (Syria), focused on targets and struck with class rockets Long-range air-to-air.

Taki AIM-120C-7 was.

Well, in general, for the Syrian Air Force this is a problem. Turks shoot from their territory, which means they don’t answer, while Turks can beat for 100 km.
Such a situation ...

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

But it’s nothing that the Türks openly recognize aggression against the troops of a sovereign state, which international law provides that it is possible to shoot down planes of another state that did not violate air borders, I think the Syrians should also shoot down a couple of Tureks from their territory

[Revival]

Absolutely.
The aggressor is the one who attacked, even though he crossed the border, at least not.
No 5 article of NATO does not work if you attacked and they gave you change in your territory.

[jovanni]

Here we can ulcerate as much as we like in the comments about the Turks, threaten them with the inevitable terrible consequences of their aggression, stigmatize them for treachery (we believed in Russian-Turkish friendship), hope for some autumn, according to which we will count chickens ... BUT! The Turkish Air Force is successfully solving its tasks. They destroyed a large amount of manpower and technology of Syria. It is they who shoot down planes. Like those autumn chickens. And air defense is not an obstacle for them, but just one of the goals. Why are Turkish planes not falling? There is only one conclusion - their aviation is much more efficient than pouting cheeks and frowning eyebrows of our officials from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ...

[K-612-O]

Well, let them go into the air of Syria. In addition to drones, they are not in a hurry yet, and then today they lost 3 more plus they got splashes in their "NP", again the turntables flew out, the janissaries take

[TatarinSSSR]

If the technique and professionalism of the crews allows you to destroy enemy targets without entering the zone of its air defense and even in its airspace, then this is precisely what is called excellent tactics and highly effective actions. And the boys "hear you, let's go one on one!" - this is for stupid fans of weed TV series.

[shahor]

Quote: K-612-O

Well, then let them go into the air of Syria.

What for? We live in the 21st century. Stand-off weapons created for what? Nobody already uses Chugunii and Hephaestus.
You have to live with it.

[Nikolay73]

No need to distort the meaning written by another person, even when you do not understand this meaning ...

[businessv]

Quote: Jovanni

There is only one conclusion - their aviation is much more efficient than pouting cheeks and frowning eyebrows of our officials from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ...

What does our officials, and especially their cheeks, have to do with it, colleague? Turkey has the 2nd army in terms of size and armaments in NATO, so Syria has no chance in this confrontation! If in fact, then the Sultan played with the bartender, not fulfilling the clause of the agreement on the cultivation of the bad and the good, but this is only from the submission of whales, so this can not be changed, unfortunately. Another thing is that on the 5th, this situation can be changed from minus to plus, but this will depend only on our GDP.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: businessv

Turkey has the 2nd army in terms of size and armaments in NATO, so Syria has no chance in this confrontation!

It's not about Syria. The question is what are our VKS doing there and why do they need airbases there if they are afraid to protect Syria’s sky even from drones. Shame ..

[Alexfly]

Well done Turks, are working out the possibility of using missiles at existing facilities without breaking the rules .... And you won’t answer, NATO is behind. RF will not cover ... ((

[arnulla]

It is unlikely that NATO will fit in with the Turks, even if the Syrian rivulet flies to Turkish territory

[Revival]

Moreover, article 5 of NATO does not work in this situation

[AVA77]

Go nuts It is registered at VO on March 4, 2020. at 16.57. Already scribbled 52 comments,
rating -903.
How do you do it? Damn how ????

[Alexey Z]

Are you here for the rating? I for various information.

[AVA77]

And what do you have to do with it? I didn’t ask you anything. I asked a question by AlexFly, who added 52 comments in one hour.

[cost]

You are not careful, it is not registered today

[habaroff.ven]

Rich, in what unit did he serve?

[Horon]

If only for information, then why comment? And if the comment was nevertheless written, then a low rating can mean anything: either the comment is complete nonsense, or it is not correctly written, or you were misunderstood, or your comment is provocative (trolling), or you have ill-wishers.

Quote: AlexFly

Well done Turks, are working out the possibility of using missiles at existing facilities without breaking the rules .... And you won’t answer, NATO is behind. RF will not cover ... ((

This comment is clearly provocative. For such behavior, in a decent house, the guest usually gets an eternal ban, but here you can get off at the VO only with a low rating, that is, this person is disgusted with the majority of participants. How do you yourself evaluate such a person if, according to the everyday meaning, this corresponds to a discussion of your neighbor’s broken nose, and suddenly, one of the discussers will say:

Well done is his opponent, because he has brass knuckles and he is trained to use it, and if anything the district lads subscribe to him, and you will not help your neighbor!

[Horon]

In fact, he registered on January 4.

[AVA77]

Khoron (Charon Erebovich) You are absolutely right!
AlexFly, I admit that I am a loshara !. But, as D'artagnan used to say. I beg your pardon, gentlemen, but only for this!

[Horon]

But, as D'artagnan used to say. I beg your pardon, gentlemen, but only for this!

It happens!

[open]

Russia is fighting terrorism in Syria, and it’s unprofitable to shield Assad’s forces from the United States, Israel and Turkey.

[Horon]

Quote: abror

Russia is fighting terrorism in Syria, and it’s unprofitable to shield Assad’s forces from the United States, Israel and Turkey.

Most likely this is not in the bilateral aid agreement between Syria and Russia, and not because it is beneficial.

[sannyomd]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

The processed radar data was transmitted to the crews of the F-16. Turkish airplanes as close as possible to the air borders (Syria), focused on targets and struck with class rockets Long-range air-to-air.

Taki AIM-120C-7 was.

Well, in general, for the Syrian Air Force this is a problem. Turks shoot from their territory, which means they don’t answer, while Turks can beat for 100 km.
Such a situation ...

Of course, I understand that confrontation with any more or less militarily developed Russian powers is now useless. But hell, what is stopping you from transferring to the same Syria (let’s say, with Syrian symbols ?, a couple of su 35s, and their pilots will have the names of Li Si Qing and their ilk, as in Vietnam. And then let them boldly reflect attack and retaliate against objects that are dangerous. And you see, soon the floor will gather around Syria flickering with fangs, the Italians have already climbed out. And why aren’t they pretty in Italy?

[arsenks]

I can’t understand what kind of politics Putin has like “sit down and eat a fish” ... Turkey is a friend and Syria must be supported ... There will be no sense from this duality ....

[K-612-O]

Your suggestions? To unleash a war with an 80-millionth country in which millions of Russians are resting and about 500 thousand live? And is it because of the hysteria of the renounced Georgian, the persecution and murder of our citizens?
Look at the chronicles of the Coventry bombing, and Churchill knew about it.
He then lost the battle, but won the war. Politics is a dirty business. You can’t get clean.

[keeper03]

It’s not necessary to unleash a war, but weighed the stars out of the way so that it was no longer common — it was already overdue !!!

[signifera]

The report, citing the command of the Turkish Air Force, states that both the Su-24 and L-39 were spotted by radars even at the moment when they took off from the airfields of the base.

And why do not ours inform the Syrians about the approach of Turkish fighters? Those take off, our signal to the Syrians, those immediately on the fast and the furious back. And about UAVs, they can give a tip, I’m sure. Apparently the Turks are economically more profitable than the Syrians and it is impossible to offend them.

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

Probably because the Turks are constantly patrolling, but the Syrians do not want to have to perform tasks.

[businessv]

Quote: Signifer

And why do not ours inform the Syrians about the approach of Turkish fighters? Those take off, our signal to the Syrians, those immediately on the fast and the furious back. And about UAVs, they can give a tip, I’m sure.

But this is absolutely true, colleague! Only the Turks, after all, give their command to take off only after the Syrians take off, and they also probably count on the flight time and carry out their attack in a short period of time, so your proposal is very logical but, apparently, difficult to implement. I think that our advisers have repeatedly scrolled through such a situation. I hope that our good fellows come up with something!

[TatarinSSSR]

The Turks are on duty two pairs in the air at the very border. And each pair is ready to conduct an attack instantly, barely having received target designation from ground-based radars or AWACS-type AWACS aircraft. Therefore, it is impossible to warn of an attack.

[businessv]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

The Turks are on duty two pairs in the air at the very border. And each pair is ready to conduct an attack instantly, barely having received target designation from ground-based radars or AWACS-type AWACS aircraft.

Moreover, if the planes are constantly in the air, in combat readiness, then there is little chance of changing the situation. Only increase the range to the attacked objects in order to leave the affected area, but in this case the probability of defeating the attacked targets decreases.

[Liam]

Quote: businessv

Moreover, if the planes are constantly in the air, in combat readiness, then there is little chance of changing the situation. Only increase the distance to the attacked objects in order to leave the affected area, but in this case the probability of hitting the attacked targets decreases

Why are you. 5 years so merrily painted the pros of the war using Didov’s uncontrolled free-fall cast iron ....

[TatarinSSSR]

This requires modern aircraft with modern guidance systems and weapons in the form of long-range V-Z missiles or gliding bombs. This is what the Israelites do. And the Syrians do not have such aircraft and weapons. They mostly work with free-falling bombs or NURS.

[Artemy Morozov]

Assad defends his homeland! The pilots are alive and fighting further. Good luck to them, and to the Turks - death!

[Andrey.AN]

If he reassures the Turks, there is nothing unworthy of this, it’s not like bread alone, people are fed up with stories too, he doesn’t make war, the latter is only beneficial for terrorists, it’s their chance to stretch out longer, Turkey is definitely not profitable, the Americans will not take risks for the Turks at home . Of course, the Russian Federation can make Constantinople from Istanbul, but there’s also no reason to make ends meet, well, we need bases in Syria so that the Mediterranean Sea is more friendly, but Constantinople is still dragging, the Russian Federation is not Sisyphus.

[iouris]

And so everything is clear, but the Turks are also waging an information war against their own. Turkey is very similar to Ukraine.

[Retvizan 8]

... "Turkey is very similar to Ukraine" ...
Yeah, they even have the president of "Sala Ukraine" bawling.)))

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: figvam

And he wrote while lying on the wreckage of Turkish drones, autographed by Erdogan.

Laughter, laughter, but three days ago there was a message about the operation of the DLRO aircraft in Turkey. Is it clear that he didn’t fly there to take pictures of nature and fail to cover the attack aircraft? Am I inclined to think that the aerospace forces do not support SAR aviation at all, if this was allowed? Or not they expected that the Turks would learn from the Jews how to deal sneaky, but in vain. We must be prepared for everything. It seems that the situation has normalized and the black men have begun to graze at their own borders. They even announced the launch of the Turkish Air Force F-16 from BUK, and it seems that three more UAVs were flunked per day, so much so that they stopped flying. In addition, the SAA began to disguise itself and dig in, and the result appeared.

[K-612-O]

Your suggestions? To unleash a war with an 80-millionth country in which millions of Russians are resting and about 500 thousand live? And is it because of the hysteria of the renounced Georgian, the persecution and murder of our citizens?
Look at the chronicles of the Coventry bombing, and Churchill knew about it.
He then lost the battle, but won the war. Politics is a dirty business. You can’t get clean.


That's where our VKS. Yes, and give the Sultan a chance

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: K-612-O

Your suggestions?

Judging by the same comments for readers, are you a bot, or should you answer with nothing like stamped phrases? My proposals are transparent like alcohol, and Putin voiced them. We are not going to fight with anyone, but we won’t give Syria an insult. no matter who you are, and your vacationers and residents do not bother me at all. They know what they are going to and what their business and plans in Turkey can lead to, so do not blame me if their lust and vanity prevail more than protecting Russia's interests .

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Turkey is also preparing for a compromise.

at a meeting with the Russian leader, Erdogan will raise the question not only of the situation in Idlib, but also of Turkish-Russian relations in general. The talks will also discuss economic ties between Turkey and Russia. Turkish gas, a nuclear power plant, S-400, which are part of a range of issues related to the economy, are of great importance not only from an economic, but also from a strategic point of view. A signal will be given that Turkish-Russian relations are not only Idlib, but they can suffer because of it.

For Turkey, the Idlib issue is an important milestone. It is noted that if we abandon Idlib, then the turn will come to the areas of operations "Olive Branch", "Shield of the Euphrates" and "Source of Peace".

Expectations from negotiations can be summarized as follows:

1. The announcement of a sustainable ceasefire.

2. Idlib's declaration of a safe zone.

Turkey is not allowed to use the airspace of Idlib. As a result of the announcement of the safe zone in Idlib, not only Turkish planes, but also regime planes, Russian aviation will not fly here.

https://inosmi.ru/politic/20200304/246986079.html

Most likely this would have come if there were only two sides, we and Turkey. But there is also Iran, and the main load on the earth is on it, the main losses are also on it, not the fact that the ayatollahs will agree with the Russian-Turkish decision. The Iranian influence on Assad and his entourage should not be underestimated.
For instance. The Turks believe that, at least with our tacit consent, a blow was inflicted on their convoy, the movement of which they warned, but in a notification order, without waiting for YES or NO, perhaps ours were deliberately delayed to slow down the rate of entry of Turkish troops into the Idlib zone. And now, just as an option, why no one thought of a possible Iranian combination, and striking the Syrian Air Force at the direction of the Iranians, so that, as they say, we’ll be tied to ourselves more tightly and we won’t get off.
Let me remind you that we have repeatedly talked about the end of the operation and the withdrawal of our forces from Syria, which left the Iranians without air support, and only Israel would strike there every other day, and not on holidays as it is now. But despite the words of the Commander-in-Chief, we stayed there again and even enlarged the group, which was in Iran’s interests, I repeat, Assad was just a bugbear and a puppet in the hands of his relatives, the entourage of I ... Iranians.
"The tail wags the dog" is not an option? ... There is the East, there are our oligarchs, only God knows which of them and what is negotiating and behind what events are behind, big money is at stake there, and as you know, our mothers will sell their own country They talk about black, that there is Syria, and if there is a "modest gesheft", then why not. They can blow anything in the ears of the first, both themselves and through their protégés - the retinue makes the king. Our "fathers commanders" with stripes on their pants are also hucksters through one thing - ALL maybe ANY manipulations.
So it’s not a fact that we can agree on an option that is beneficial to us and the Turks, but which for example will not suit the Iranians ...

[Sky strike fighter]

The Iranian influence on Assad and his entourage should not be underestimated.

Judging by the fact that Assad called the Turks a fraternal people, Iran is also not against a compromise with Turkey, especially since Iran is solving its problems with sanctions through Turkey.
Here, most likely, Russia, Turkey and Iran do not want to leave Syria. Therefore, Idlib will hang on top of Assad like a Damocles sword, on the other hand, this will force Assad to rely on the help of Russia and Iran as a counterweight to possible aggression from Turkey That is, a balance of interests will be maintained, otherwise Assad would have quietly wanted to withdraw our and Iranian units from Syria, saying thank you, and now he will have to rely on them. The influence of Russia, Turkey and Iran will be significant in Syria. The Turks are not going to fight with Iran, Arabs and Israel would hit both sides in both ways, took advantage of the conflict and weakening of the parties. In my opinion, the players curbed Assad by giving this company M 5 and completely the city of Aleppo on the one hand and on the other hand completely divided the spheres of influence into Syria.

[Ros 56]

They are cowards, these Turks. From around the corner, anyone can.

[Retvizan 8]

... "Turkish pilots really intimidated the pilots of the regime's Air Force - they shoot down planes without crossing borders" ...
Enchanting interpretation of events Turkish pilots intimidated the Syrian, but at the same time "brave" Turkish pilots are afraid to cross the border and work from the territory of Turkey!

[svoit]

Quote: Victor_B

"The rich inner world" drove his pen!

There are more objective factors, such as tactics for the subsequent use of the Air Force.
But in any case, the last paragraph in the article is superfluous (unless of course this is a quote from the Turkish media)
Unfortunately, one cannot exclude the fact that the pilot left the plane before his defeat, since the effectiveness of anti-aircraft maneuvers at long range is still higher and there is a chance to get away from missiles. But it is still unknown the range of defeat from the border and what kind of missiles were these? If with radio guidance, then the pilots knew in advance about the exposure

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

If the Turks had electronic warfare, then the pilot could not see the attack.

[Vitaly161]

if there is Turkish AWACS in the air, the radiation signal will not be silenced)

[Kushka]

"In this case, it is worth asking the question, was there any panic in Recep
Erdogan, when in Turkey only in the last few days delivered
nearly four dozen coffins with dead Turkish servicemen? "
You mixed up the cause and effect - at first it was 4 des. coffins and then
there were 4 dess. x N coffins + 3 aircraft + another bunch of military equipment. Did not have
1st, then there would be a 2nd. And 4-dess, so they can have so much by the daily routine.

[Kushka]

Quote: Ros 56

They are cowards, these Turks. From around the corner, anyone can.

With this logic, a sniper sitting on a tree, dressed up as a tree
MYSELF in position - the most that neither is a coward. Let the line cross
front so it will be in full growth

[Adimius38]

I think why f-16s have not been shot down yet because the Russians were covering them and held back Assad in every way they say you can’t help but think about it. And just a day ago, our command stated that it could no longer guarantee the safety of Turkish aviation

[We_smart]

Quote: cniza

So it is true, but then Turkey will raise a howl and demand protection from NATO, they really want to crank up this option ...

Not quite true, because the downing of a military aircraft of another state is an act of aggression and it does not matter where it happened and over whose territory. After all, it turns out that Russia, or another state-state, can also shoot down other people's planes without entering the airspace of this state! But this is not so. Similarly, in this situation, there will be no reason to ask NATO to apply Article 5, since the Turks themselves showed an act of aggression.

[TatarinSSSR]

The fantasies of the Turkest author are certainly funny about Assad. But the fact that the Turks bring down the planes of the Syrian Air Force is not funny.

[Aleks2000]

Among professors and journals, half the telepaths.
They calmly penetrate the thoughts of Assad, Poroshenko, Putin, Lavrov, Endogan, Trump, Zelensky and others.

And there is no escape from them ....

[ugrums1961]

And if you put the Syrians in a hindrance and then try on the decoy and fill up the Turkish f-16 that they will sing then, the planes did not cross the border, and the fool rocket found its target in the face of the Turkish plane.

[sanik2020]

We see the downed Russian and Syrian planes and the crashed PANTSIRI.
Where are the downed enemy planes?