Coronavirus stroke. What do virologists hide?

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The coronavirus pandemic is discussed in every way, but we will consider only the "iron" facts.

Made in China?


Chinese test medical systems have discovered a new type of coronavirus in Wuhan, the global logistics center, in the Huanan wildlife market.



A lot of versions have been put forward about the origin of this virus; we will not repeat them. At the official level, no one is blaming the Chinese authorities for anything. Western experts say that this virus could have originated in the wild animal market because it has much in common with the DNA of bats. Chinese virologists believe that coronavirus entered the Huanan market from the outside and spread rapidly.

Note that the wildlife market in Wuhan has been around for hundreds of years. Probably. But a new type of coronavirus appeared and was recorded only at the very end of 2019.

Doctors reassure us: they say there were many similar epidemics, moreover, originating in China, and gradually all viruses lost their high pathogenicity and the epidemics died down, therefore the coronavirus epidemic will develop similarly. This explanation contradicts only one, but very obvious fact: measures to combat the coronavirus are taken unprecedented, as if an alien invasion occurred.

By the way, the fact that the epicenter is located in China, and led to the rapid detection of coronavirus, because for Chinese doctors it is a constant threat. It seems that the coronavirus wanted to appear immediately and make itself felt. Conspirologists talk about microbiological leakage weapons from a Chinese laboratory, on the use of such weapons by the United States, as American biological military laboratories are scattered around the world. And what are they doing there? But all this is not a fact. Perhaps the rest of the world is simply underexplored. Former member of the UN Biological Weapons Commission, Igor Nikulin, believes that sabotage, whether external or internal, has been committed in Wuhan.

War on coronavirus


We are now seeing a real war with the coronavirus, in which the armed forces are used to isolate entire cities. China set an example, isolating the multi-million-dollar Wuhan. China suffers the most damage from this virus, both economic and image. All countries of the world are saved alone, each acting for itself.

Let us look at the world's largest players with the corresponding virological competencies, that is, fundamental science. The United States even incurs military costs: the largest US air base in South Korea is in quarantine, and the entire Pacific Fleet in quarantine, without prejudice to fighting efficiency, is assured by American generals and admirals ... Russia has ceased all communication with China and, as it were, has succumbed to a global panic, is in strict quarantine measures. In Europe, a hotbed of epidemic in Italy has formed, but the Schengen agreements are still working. To date, in Italy, about 50 survivors account for about 20 coronavirus deaths, the rest are undergoing treatment, according to media reports.

Officials, from President Trump to our Ministry of Health, make reassuring statements, with the same plan: wash your hands before eating and sit more at home. But WHO admits panic claims that this pandemic will affect a large part of the world's population, that is, it cannot be stopped. Have to worry about it. And this is a common epidemic, which were before? ..

What is unusual?


The coronavirus is somewhat frightening to virologists, and they, in turn, are politicians. Judging by the statements, they have not yet encountered such a virus, it is unusual for them. Therefore, virologists cannot say anything about the consequences, give predictions, and everyone says, in China, in Russia, and in the USA, the same thing: localize the foci, isolate the infected, enter quarantine, which everyone does.

Virologists do not say anything about when this epidemic will subside. But there is another question: what will happen later with people who have the virus? They recovered, but at the same time they could somehow change. There are cases of reinfection with coronavirus. And then involuntarily come to mind pictures from science fiction films with a similar plot ...

That is, it is not the coronavirus disease itself that worries most, after all, most recover, but an equally unprecedented reaction to the epidemic of authorities of different countries of the world. They all seemed to be underestimating something, afraid to cause even greater panic.

Conclusion


A coronavirus has been hit on our planet, all conventional weapons and nuclear arsenals are powerless, the only weapons to combat it are washing hands before eating and quarantine measures. The effects of the pandemic are unclear.

There are no effective medicines, but most people recover using conventional medicines, people with poor health die. There is no vaccine yet, only promises. Despite the measures taken, it is not possible to stop the pandemic. How it all ends and when is also unclear.
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  1. +15
    3 March 2020 05: 56
    Oh my god, how much can you? I’m too lazy to knock on the clave, I’ll copy my post a week (approximately) ago - personally, my point of view over the past few days has not changed:
    80 thousand cases in two months in completely overpopulated South China, where sanitary conditions, by definition, leave much to be desired - this is nothing at all, during this time, I suppose, an order of magnitude more people have been ill with the flu. The death / recovery ratio is constantly increasing (at first it was 1 to 2, now it is less than 1 to 10). In general, China is lucky for all sorts of exotic viruses and zoos, all the beginning of the XXI century from there some kind of medical alarm is distributed, except for Ebola, which happened in Africa, all the medical horror stories of the last 20 years come from the Middle Kingdom. And nothing, no pandemics happened. So it's too early to wrap yourself in a sheet and slowly crawl towards the cemetery. In a couple of months everything will calm down, and in a couple of years no one will even remember what kind of beast "Covid" is.
    And here is the answer to the question
    What lies behind the coronavirus
    In my opinion, it is quite obvious - the financial interest of some large players in the pharmaceutical market. Nothing more.

    One amendment: in the previous post, the death / recovered ratio indicated "less than 1 in 10", now it is generally 1/15. How scary to live ...
    1. +3
      3 March 2020 07: 01
      I agree with you, just someone wants the virus to be considered horror, terrible. But who? And why scold the markets? Is it because Trump has no competitors in the election?
      1. +5
        3 March 2020 07: 44
        By the way, Trump himself was surprised that thousands of people die every year from ordinary flu. But because of the flu, nothing stops. Most likely, with heat, the coronovirus should recede.
        1. -1
          3 March 2020 07: 51
          Exactly. good hi then this is fake news and the Clintonoids and international bankers controlling these media
          1. +5
            3 March 2020 08: 52
            Yes, I do not care about this coronavirus!
            I woke up feeling that I was breathing acid. I jumped up, opened the window, and from it popped into my lungs a dense acid shaft. She slammed shut. Above the village - like a gray luminous cap. Everything melts, drips, gets wet, and the nearby pipe of the heating system belches invisible, but acutely felt acid. Something similar comes from a close highway. The body wants to live, clings to the remains of oxygen, and they disappear at an alarming rate. Turned on the gas in the kitchen. Somewhere I had a breathing mask.
            1. 0
              8 March 2020 06: 36
              In heating water, in fact, alkali was added. Or saboteurs decided to rust everything with acid?
              What acid does it smell like?
        2. +4
          3 March 2020 10: 52
          Quote: bessmertniy
          By the way, Trump himself was surprised that thousands of people die every year from ordinary flu. But because of the flu, nothing stops. Most likely, with heat, the coronovirus should recede.

          With warmth, everything can probably become aggravated: absolute humidity will increase, people will take off some of their clothes ... The panic is quite understandable: the flu is a familiar evil, but here is something new, and it is not known what to expect and how to act. In WHO, too, not all idiots are. And here, too, pharmacists are rubbing their hands: Onishchenko, presumably, will soon begin to actively protect the manufacturers of fuflomycin lobbied by him, such as anaferon. Here is another aspect of the activity of our Ministry of Health: for some reason, no one wants to ban the sale of notorious dummies, and even actively buy them for state clinics. For government (read - ours) account, by the way.
    2. +3
      3 March 2020 10: 00
      many small spoons in a barrel of redistribution of influence in the world
      not a tank-SU-frigate, but an injection with a syringe.
      trembling tremble and put cons.
      and redistribution of financial flows and markets is coming. the war, however, is already on
      1. +9
        3 March 2020 10: 49
        A colleague, but I just imagined: an outbreak of coronavirus in our village. How to discover? Well, it’s very simple: many people with a cough and fever will call 112 (no one calls an ambulance - the patient is more likely to die or recover than she arrives). The area will find that it is a coronavirus. The village will be shut down tightly. And we do not have a hospital, only a clinic, there are no beds, there is no equipment, not only we have a vaccine - it is not everywhere. And when the available medicines do not help (we have pharmacies using a rampart), doctors will propose a radical method: for all patients, and, in fact, for everyone who has not had time to get up, to put an enema - a proven remedy of the 19th century. From pain and humiliation, the human immune system mobilizes the body to recover, to further bring shame and tell everyone about the suffering and humiliation suffered.
        I'm kidding, of course. This is my property. So, I breathed in the acid in the morning and cough up my lungs. But I pay crazy money for heating. Everyone pays! Why not put some of the money into the filter for a stinking pipe? And how do they drown? They say gas. But does gas give such a thing? Our heating system is worse than any coronavirus and puts us in a coffin. Everyone is outraged, no one can do anything - all standards are met.
        And coronavirus ... Everyone has already said everything that can be said. World capitalism is being protected. And then all became very literate. Like, the system has outlived itself! Out of date? I do not like? Well, look how obsolete. Watch and breathe!
        By the way, they say that in recent years the number of hospitals in Russia has been halved - get sick! Preferably coronavirus? Hi Skvortsova! When she was appointed, she wondered if Kudrin was a birthstress. Or Chubais. The same cunning and sneaky squint of the eye.
        1. +1
          3 March 2020 11: 50
          the doctor told me - to find a friend, stimulate him and brain to him, but just do not bother with your sores.
          only --- from the 19th century - to my own doctor --hol water and ... enema + smile to loved ones and life
          1. +2
            3 March 2020 11: 55
            Yes, colleague, only this remains! Do not hurt you! love hi
    3. +4
      3 March 2020 19: 40
      in the previous post, the death / recovered ratio is indicated as "less than 1 to 10", now it is generally 1/15. How scary to live ...

      40 thousand recovered, 3 thousand died
      in translation, I got sick, two were buried.
      usual thing for you?
      1. 0
        5 March 2020 10: 58
        I think we should wait for statistics on Italy. China and Iran can manipulate numbers
    4. +1
      4 March 2020 02: 44
      Quote: Dalny V
      The ratio of dead / recovered is constantly increasing (at first it was 1 to 2, now it is less than 1 to 10).

      So you decide on arithmetic - does the indicated ratio increase or decrease? wink

      Quote: Dalny V
      One amendment: in the previous post, the death / recovered ratio indicated "less than 1 in 10", now it is generally 1/15.

      The article correctly raises the question - why all epidemiological services react equally "sharply", while not really explaining what they see as a danger, since the lethality is relatively low and hits mainly people with poor health. In my opinion, the point may be that they cannot yet compile a complete reliable picture - after all, there is also an indicator of contagiousness - if I understand correctly, this is how much on average one infected person infects others. And this figure can be scary due to the long incubation period. Indeed, even if the mortality rate is only 3%, and at least 3% of the world's population falls ill, then this is already potentially millions of victims. In addition, it is so in our human society that most of the "powerful of this world" are just over 60 years old - that is, at risk ...
    5. +1
      4 March 2020 11: 53
      Quote: Dalny V
      In a couple of months everything will calm down
      In a month there will be a million patients, and 50 thousand will die from them
    6. -1
      4 March 2020 13: 28
      Quote: Dalny V
      One amendment: in the previous post, the death / recovered ratio indicated "less than 1 in 10", now it is generally 1/15. How scary to live ...


      The fact that 3198 people died on March 5, 2020, only because someone breathed on / sneezed at them or stood next to them - that’s nothing.
      If your parents are sick? Children?
      If it was not in distant Wuhan, but in your yard?

      Maybe you're just an ordinary racist?
    7. 0
      5 March 2020 05: 38
      Far B (Michael) March 3, 2020 05:56
      The ratio of dead / recovered is constantly increasing (at first it was 1 to 2, now it is less than 1 to 10).

      do not re-write nonsense. The pathogenicity and virulence of the coronavirus is several times higher than that of ordinary seasonal flu. Therefore, there is no need to relay stupid hacking statements like "we are experiencing the flu and will survive it."
      Until the ways to localize the epidemic are found, this virus can cause troubles. Especially in third world countries. I just can’t imagine what will happen when the virus gets to Bangladesh, India, the Philippines with slum cities populated by paupers with a density of 100 people per square centimeter of area
  2. +12
    3 March 2020 06: 08
    The virus "solved" several economic problems.
    Collapsed markets ...
    Separated the Chinese elite from the western,
    Questioned the trade agreement with Trump.
    Reduced consumption worldwide.
    1. +9
      3 March 2020 07: 03
      Quote: Tank jacket
      The virus "solved" several economic problems.
      Collapsed markets ...
      Separated the Chinese elite from the western,
      Questioned the trade agreement with Trump.
      Reduced consumption worldwide.

      a week ago, I was buried under slippers, for such a statement ...
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 07: 08
        We will be buried today wassat
        Masked alarmists ...
        Because of them, by the way, you can experience food problems. It is necessary to buy rice with buckwheat.
      2. +3
        3 March 2020 07: 09
        It remains to be seen who threw this pig with the virus to the Chinese.
        1. +2
          3 March 2020 08: 06
          Alex, hi Immortal and I voiced above ...
        2. +8
          3 March 2020 09: 33
          It remains to be seen who threw this pig with the virus to the Chinese.

          But this is a question!
          Among the oddities of the virus in the text of the article I want to point out that at first the virus only affected people of the Mongoloid race.
          Even exclamations were heard from Europe and America: "This coronavirus is not terrible! It will not touch us, it does not concern us!"
          Then the Chinese began to actively cope with the epidemic, took control of it ...
          Rrraz - and the virus spread to other regions of the planet.
          Now it infects both Italians and Belgians and Spaniards ...
          It seems that someone has corrected the internal structure of the virus, made it "suitable" for use in Europe ... wink
          1. +3
            4 March 2020 05: 36
            Quote: Paul Siebert

            Among the oddities of the virus in the text of the article I want to point out that at first the virus only affected people of the Mongoloid race.

            really strange why the virus in China only affected Asians?

            And there is still not much conspiracy theory, Ebola only hit blacks until whites came into contact with the sick; Coincidence ?! don't think
            logic is a complex science, but necessary :)
    2. 0
      4 March 2020 02: 48
      Quote: Tank jacket
      The virus "solved" several economic problems.
      Collapsed markets ...

      This is not a collapse, but only a small and rather smooth deflation. And by the way, what problem does it solve?
      1. 0
        4 March 2020 05: 47
        The problem of paying dividends to deceived suckers. Type of force majeure. There are many derivatives and many suckers. And we can’t pay all the dividends, but then we’re like the innocents, this is coronovirus.
        1. -2
          6 March 2020 00: 16
          Quote: Tank jacket
          The problem of paying dividends to deceived suckers.

          A deceived goof is like butter (L.O.Kh. is a person deceived by a bully). Derivatives have a relationship to dividends like noise to war. But remember the main thing - on derivatives (it is on them, like nothing else) you can earn both with an increase in value and with a fall. So your explanation is so-so ... Moreover, it is not yours, I am taken "from the Internet" or from the "zombie". Here general knowledge and common sense are insufficient - here specialized knowledge, special training is needed. It is as if you are given an SVD, then you do not automatically become a sniper.
          1. +1
            6 March 2020 06: 36
            That is, do you disagree with the fact that the coronavirus is used with the help of the media to justify the type of force majeure on payments of deviants? Stopping factories for lack of spare parts? Repurchase by the Chinese under the guise of "coronavirus" controlling stakes?
  3. +8
    3 March 2020 06: 09
    This coronovirus showed how vulnerable the global economy is to diseases. He set a precedent when, due to illness, any activity in vast territories stops. In this case, due to the high mortality rate, the measures taken by the authorities are justified, and losses can be tolerated. But in the future, panic may occur due to a less formidable disease than this type of pneumonia, and also, as today, enterprises will stop, people will be unemployed waiting for the threat to pass. Then another similar threat could raise panic. Something needs to be done so that panic before illness does not reign. Otherwise it will be bad. We are not talking about how many are dying of hunger today, but there are significantly more of them than those dying of coronovirus. The economy will rise completely, and already millions of people will die from the fact that no products were produced, there was nothing, and hunger went. As it was in the thirties of the last century, when the famines went through the USSR, USA, China, etc., and drastically reduced the population. hi
    1. -6
      3 March 2020 07: 13
      Quote: bessmertniy
      This coronovirus showed how vulnerable the global economy is to diseases. He set a precedent when, due to illness, any activity in vast territories stops.

      I just can't imagine what it would be like for us, judging by our "Ministry of Health" ... it would be just awful ... ugh ... ugh ... ugh ...
      1. +2
        3 March 2020 08: 14
        Quote: Aerodrome
        ... would be just awful. ugh ... ugh .. ugh ...

        neither of which would have been ill would have sat at home treated with folk remedies
        1. 0
          3 March 2020 12: 47
          Enema refers to folk?
          1. -2
            3 March 2020 13: 10
            if only five
    2. +4
      3 March 2020 07: 50
      Quote: bessmertniy
      This coronovirus showed how vulnerable the global economy is to diseases

      The global economy is vulnerable to information technology.
      1. 0
        3 March 2020 07: 57
        So far, only two hospitals have been found in our regional center, where several dozens of quarantine beds can be allocated. By the way, people have already appeared there. At the same time, doctors do not have normal special protection against infection. It will be very lucky if the coronovirus by the time it reaches us becomes less lethal. what
    3. +7
      3 March 2020 08: 24
      The economy is not vulnerable to disease. The economy is vulnerable to panic inflated by the media. Note: deliberately inflated. So someone is profitable.
      1. +3
        3 March 2020 08: 26
        Of course. In the muddy water, someone catches goldfish. negative
      2. +1
        3 March 2020 08: 41
        Observe which media outlets are the loudest to panic and see who they belong to. It will become a little more clear cui prodest.
      3. 0
        3 March 2020 17: 05
        But what about the main Catholic priest in the Vatican, coughing up panic too? he really has more opportunities than ....
        as an option, an international collusion of pension funds ....))
        for racial selectivity - probably not. stupid there just population density at times
    4. +2
      3 March 2020 09: 42
      Quote: bessmertniy
      This coronovirus showed how vulnerable the global economy is to diseases.

      Yes, yes, yes, no argue! Stole production in China? Do not be surprised now that all enterprises of your "technologically advanced" country are getting stuck. You no longer have real production ... Looking from this side, you can see the considerable benefits of what is happening. It seems that some leaders, desperate to explain reality to their stupid financiers, staged a demonstration. And now they poke their noses at fools - see? See? Finally, you stupid creature ?!
    5. 0
      3 March 2020 14: 47
      And most importantly - how the world depends on go. Above.
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  5. +9
    3 March 2020 06: 35
    . unprecedented measures to fight against coronavirus, as if an alien invasion had taken place.


    This is because reporters fanned the elephant out of flies, and gullible citizens who believe in the holy Internet include a tantrum. Demand to take action. So they accept.
    1. +3
      3 March 2020 07: 46
      Quote: mark2
      the journalists fanned the elephant out of the fly,

      there is no doubt that the media are fulfilling a political order. There are two ways to fight a viral infection - the first is the development of a vaccine (attenuated or killed virus), the second- development of specific serum (immunoglobulin). Nothing at all about the second path in the press !. The difficulty is that the disease has a large incubation period, this implies that the vaccine will require an even longer period of formation of immunity than the disease. Plus time to test the vaccine, develop and test options ... Therefore, the vaccine is up to six months ...
      Louis Pasteur infected hens with anthrax, creating special conditions - hens went constantly in the water! After all, in the same way, you can infect pigs with coronavirus, kill the surviving pigs and get immunoglobulins. And with a liter of blood you get up to 400 doses of immunoglobulin!
      For a virologist, this is understandable information .. The media is creating a panic !!!! China is also shaping world public opinion which will further give it respect. Here! type - we did it !!!
      1. +1
        4 March 2020 05: 55
        and the sheep who wrote this woe-article, thereby giving the ground for alarmists to start themselves; who works for?
        1. -1
          4 March 2020 06: 09
          Quote: Voletsky
          thereby giving rise to alarmists to get themselves started; for whom does it work?

          this is a vaccination for us smile hyperimmunization!
          1. +1
            4 March 2020 06: 13
            Well, if so, then the media should be treated the same way :) Or is there a zomboy? And then the free "hu..dzhnik" expresses his thoughts? :)
            1. 0
              4 March 2020 07: 23
              You see, now the media has such a vinaigrette that when rational smart ideas sound, they are not heard. A person simply does not have enough time to figure it out. I am sure that this is a System.
              1. 0
                4 March 2020 07: 46
                To paraphrase the classics: Blessed will still inherit the earth :)

                And now, in order, you can’t hear rational thoughts ?! And how do you know which of them are rational, if you choose to rely on your own information, as it seems to me preferences (well, there are intrigues, investigations, conspiracies, and even better and esoterics)

                Man does not have enough time to figure it out ?! Understand what ?! One needs to study at a virologist; and for a long time, but to come up with a conspiracy theory, and then also appoint the culprit - quickly.

                Are you sure this is a system ?! Well, of course, you are sure that this is a system and not only you, nothing unites people like general psychosis :)
                1. 0
                  4 March 2020 08: 14
                  Quote: Voletsky
                  nothing unites people like general psychosis :)

                  I don’t have a TV at home ... so I cannot be part of that community laughing
                  Quote: Voletsky
                  One needs to study at a virologist; and for a long time

                  I am a virologist, PhD ...
                  Quote: Voletsky
                  Man does not have enough time to figure it out ?! Understand what?

                  You have touched a very large layer of problems ... I will try shorter. Do you know how the Truth differs from the Truth? Here is an example: two people, with foam at the mouth, shout out the Truth, each His own! the problem is that these are simply different opinions based on one known Fact. If you miss a small fact, you get a different interpretation. And the truth is absolute! in order to understand something, it is necessary to shovel a huge number of facts! How to do it using a TV? where 40% of the time is advertising !! 45% - submitting information that was knowingly ordered, 10% useless (somewhere in Thailand) someone killed someone .... and all this with technologies that excite our subconscious mind ... For example, Advertising, it does not advertise goods, it advertises a way of life, world view - Buy and there will be Happiness !!! That is, this is propaganda. This is a ready life position shaping public opinion. The next caveat is the value of facts. Against the background of useless but emotional facts, the value of actually significant information is being diminished which still comes ...
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2020 08: 29
                    What does the telly have to do with it ?! I'm talking about the fact that the author-ram provokes psychosis as well as the media ...
                    Somehow the conversation went nowhere, for how all this crap works, I know, and I don’t use the telly either.

                    or initially the first comment was thrown to the wrong :) A polemic in the style of each about his own but the general line of the story was kept ... tin of course :)
                  2. +1
                    April 5 2020 16: 57
                    Perhaps you are not constantly sitting on the forum, but since I understand you are a PhD, I will repeat the question for you personally: how realistic is it to integrate vif protein into the influenza virus and what properties will the mutant have?
                    1. 0
                      April 5 2020 20: 33
                      Quote: Chintamani
                      I repeat the question for you personally: how realistic is it to integrate vif protein into the influenza virus and what properties will the mutant have?

                      I am a veterinary virologist, and I do not know what vif is. Enlighten please. In addition, you were mistaken. You probably meant - to integrate the gene responsible for the replication of the corresponding protein into the genome of the influenza virus?
                      1. 0
                        April 7 2020 20: 47
                        one of the proteins in the immunodeficiency virus. Thanks to Gorbachev-Yeltsin, I have a dash on biology in the certificate, so the expressions are incorrect. But judging by the decrease in lymphocytes and oxygen in the blood of patients, and other symptoms, an assumption arose that somehow (artificial) in the flu virus at least a shell of one of the proteins, probably vif.
                      2. 0
                        April 7 2020 23: 42
                        the human immunodeficiency virus has a membrane of a protein identical to one of the proteins of the cells of the reticuloendothelial system, goblet cells of the intestine and human lymphocytes. That is, immunocompetent cells. Therefore, for the immune system, the AIDS virus is a native protein. As far as I remember, it has the coding CP-41.
                        Oxygen in the blood of patients is reduced due to damage and swelling of the bronchial mucosa. With any pneumonia, there is a decrease in oxygen in the blood. Lymphocyte count decreases with age, which is why covid19 is not necessarily to blame. In the envelope of this virus there are 5 specific proteins unique to it. Therefore, if you make a chimera (a bird with a lion's head) a genetic mutant, then the immune system will see the remaining antigens (markers of foreignness) and destroy the virus through them. (the virus with antibodies attached to it is already safe) Although the presence of this protein can lead to tropism of the virus in relation to immunocompetent cells.
                        I hasten to reassure you, judging by the long incubation period, this is not a war virus. RNA viruses are more primitive, stable and therefore not particularly prone to mutations. Today it’s not important whether it’s natural or artificial, it’s important that the usual disease is generally used for informational noise.
                        Serum, get easy, 21st century, all the same winked This would immediately relieve tension. would reduce economic losses, would give a reputation gain. Instead, science officials are afraid to take a chance and mumble a word across the mainstream, for they will peck .....
                        It is especially annoying when drug dealers give out a completely useless chemistry as a panacea, as in the case of oncology. Money.....
                        thanks for the question. good
  6. +4
    3 March 2020 06: 38
    I remember. My friends served all over the world, and some brought diseases that were perplexing, of course there was secrecy (we also diagnose all ARVI diagnoses), so there’s one conclusion - if frail, right away ... Such is life and Her Majesty nature and we have fate!
    1. +19
      3 March 2020 07: 06
      hysteria needed by someone.
    2. +4
      3 March 2020 07: 13
      Now there is a thawing of permafrost in the northern hemisphere of the Earth ... here new bacteria and viruses can appear in symbiosis with modern protozoa, they can mutate into new and resistant to drugs new forms of bacteria and viruses ... the danger only increases ... but Of course, you don’t need to panic ... you need to be ready for the unpleasant gifts of nature at any time.
      1. +3
        3 March 2020 07: 31
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Now there is a thawing of permafrost in the northern hemisphere of the Earth ... here new bacteria and viruses may appear

        Previously, nothing thawed, and new viruses appeared the same way. Thawing is not in permafrost, but in zhurnalyug, who make the show out of all this.
        1. +5
          3 March 2020 07: 34
          Previously, nothing thawed, and new viruses appeared the same way.

          It was melting ... remember the famous mammoth Luba ...
          A lot of interesting things were discovered in his stomach ...
        2. 0
          3 March 2020 07: 49
          And now - a sensation. Specialists of the Northwest State University. Mechnikov in St. Petersburg, it seems they discovered the same microorganism! Its name is carnobacterium.

          https://www.mk.ru/science/2014/05/13/yakutskiy-mamont-sohranilsya-kak-novenkiy-blagodarya-chudobakterii.html
  7. +8
    3 March 2020 07: 12
    Lists of diseases from which we all die:
    > Avian flu
    > Swine flu
    > Ebola
    > Coronavirus * you are here
    > The next "pandemic" in 5 years
    > Zombie apocalypse
    1. +1
      3 March 2020 12: 45
      Quote: Durman_54
      Lists of diseases from which we all die:
      > Avian flu
      > Swine flu
      > Ebola
      > Coronavirus * you are here
      > The next "pandemic" in 5 years
      > Zombie apocalypse

      Avian and other flu, including coronavirus, were in our textbooks written half a century ago.
      Health to all and not panic. Another question: how many types of coronavirus are raging in China and which have crawled around the world? What does the presence of genomic inserts from HIV viruses and Avian influenza biological weapons mean? And finally, the previous flu in this region: the proportion of deaths relative to the sick in different ethnic groups? Persons of the yellow race died more often because there are more or ....
  8. +1
    3 March 2020 07: 13
    Kamenev has not written about coronavirus yet ... Other authors of VO have already written ...
  9. +2
    3 March 2020 07: 19
    while this coronavirus is nothing compared to the Spanish type of influenza virus from 1918-19. then 550 million people died
    1. +6
      3 March 2020 09: 07
      Quote: Klingon
      then 550 million people died

      No, that’s not true. 550 million were ill with the Spaniard, according to some estimates, from 50 to 100 million people died, which of course is a lot.
    2. -1
      4 March 2020 09: 10
      Quote: Klingon
      while this coronavirus is nothing compared to the Spanish type of influenza virus from 1918-19. then 550 million people died

      1. You exaggerated the number of dead;
      2. The level of medicine is not comparable now and 100 years ago.
  10. +14
    3 March 2020 07: 37
    How it all ends and when is also unclear

    It will end soon, I think by May, with the victory of medicine over the virus.
    1. +3
      3 March 2020 07: 41
      the victory of medicine over the virus.

      It is also necessary to study its nature ... this process is not fast ... and there you look and another new virus will appear with more advanced characteristics ... this process is endless.
      1. +14
        3 March 2020 07: 48
        I agree, this process is endless.
        I think that the nature of the origin of the coronovirus is already known, its elimination is a matter of the near future.
        New viruses appear too often, but no one is in a hurry to close military biological laboratories.
      2. +4
        3 March 2020 09: 22
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        It is still necessary to study its nature ... this process is not fast

        DNA has already been decoded ... much faster? it is slow virus, inconvenient for work, it multiplies slowly, virus-containing raw materials (necessary for work) slowly accumulate. Chicken embryos are being adapted for this, and this is an extra month. Further testing ... the incubation period is up to 3 weeks .. There is no free access to information about some features of this virus, which indicates that the information is dosed, the most incomprehensible, contradictory, amateur level is selected.
    2. +4
      3 March 2020 08: 16
      Quote: Arlen
      the victory of medicine over the virus.

      rather WHO’s victory over wallets
      1. +5
        3 March 2020 09: 23
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        rather WHO’s victory over wallets

        medicine is the guardian of money! has long been. Especially pharmaceuticals
      2. +4
        3 March 2020 12: 49
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Quote: Arlen
        the victory of medicine over the virus.

        rather WHO’s victory over wallets

        Millions of different viruses, bacteria, and other evil spirits, including chemicals, enter our body every second through the intestines, lungs, and skin. Immunity works, a person is alive. immunity did not cope, the person fell ill. In nature, there is a struggle between these viruses, microorganisms, etc. It is quite possible that competition will lead to a decrease in the number of viruses of the new coronovirus.
  11. +4
    3 March 2020 07: 44
    What the author drew rightly attention to was the "under-agreement".
    It has long been known that if AFTER TOMORROW is the end of the world, the authorities will announce it "five minutes away" in order to prevent general chaos.
    They’ll be so calmer to prepare their own salvation
  12. +10
    3 March 2020 07: 55
    In Russia, it is necessary to ban the coronovirus. Let the boys write down there in the Constitution)
  13. +6
    3 March 2020 08: 03
    straight dream pension fund
  14. BAI
    +4
    3 March 2020 08: 33
    300 to 650 thousand people die of influenza in the world every year

    Those. - about 1500 people a year. From coronovirus for all time 2978 died (from the flu by March 1, 90 000 should die). What is the noise about?
    1. +2
      3 March 2020 10: 00
      The flu epidemic is now in the United States. 200 thousand were infected, 5 thousand died. And there is no panic.
      Therefore, about the coronavirus we are lying. Since mortality is lower (according to official figures), and quarantine measures are higher.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 17: 20
        Everyone makes big money, we need a vaccine, money for its development and so on ...
      2. +2
        4 March 2020 03: 37
        Quote: glory1974
        The flu epidemic is now in the United States. 200 thousand were infected, 5 thousand died.


        "Where did the firewood come from?" Somehow this does not strongly agree with the statistics on influenza in the United States. And there the statistics are more or less OK.
        Every year in the United States, they suffer from 20-50 million flu. people, and dies from him 20-50 thousand. Mortality at the level of 0.1% from year to year remains almost unchanged.

        Quote: glory1974
        Therefore, about the coronavirus we are lying. Since mortality is lower


        It certainly lies, the only question is what lies. In terms of mortality - this is unlikely. About 3 thousand died for about 50 thousand recovered - this is somewhere around 6% and seems to be true, because it is purely taken into account in hospital cases. And this is dofiga. Almost 2 orders of magnitude higher than that of flu. But the most unpleasant thing in the other, how many unaccounted for cases are there?

        For swine flu, WHO officially recorded about 20 thousand deaths. And the estimate of unaccounted for gave 200 thousand (a study commissioned by the same WHO). Fell mainly in South America. And there they died a man and died, all violet.

        I think that Chinese statistics from Latin America will not lag far behind. Especially considering that several million potential carriers were released from Wuhan before sniffing. Now they are spinning like stung. But they will hold onto official statistics to the last. Although it can be seen with the naked eye that it was a lie (it was visible even before the correction, and the correction only confirmed suspicions).

        Well, all right, with China everything is more or less clear. The most interesting begins in South Korea, Iran and Italy. Very beautifully the curve went up. Boom hoping to handle it ...
        1. 0
          4 March 2020 08: 35
          Somehow this is not very consistent with the statistics on influenza in the United States.

          statistics are given in the newspaper "Argumenty nedeli" for the last week. The numbers are not final, as the epidemic has just begun.
          About 3 thousand died for about 50 thousand recovered - this is somewhere around 6% and seems to be true, because it is purely taken into account in hospital cases.

          Here they lie. At the beginning of the epidemic, mortality reached 50%, now it has stabilized in the region of 25%, which is why we observe such quarantine measures.
          The most interesting begins in South Korea, Iran and Italy. Very beautifully the curve went up.

          The attitude is the most serious, the most severe measures, quarantine will be no worse than in China.
          1. 0
            4 March 2020 11: 30
            Quote: glory1974
            The most serious attitude, the most severe measures,
            Burn hospitals, kiss the gates of a mosque? Italy, for example, will introduce quarantine, where there are dead. But there may at first be 100 sick and 0 dead
      3. 0
        4 March 2020 11: 49
        Quote: glory1974
        The flu epidemic is now in the United States. 200 thousand were infected, 5 thousand died. And there is no panic.
        200 thousand were hospitalized, not just infected.
    2. 0
      3 March 2020 18: 11
      The noise was due to the fact that at the very beginning of the epidemic, the infectiousness was like that of the flu, and the mortality rate was slightly lower than that of the ebola. Now mortality is becoming like that of the flu. Another problem will be if it is confirmed that patients have not formed long-term immunity ...
  15. +2
    3 March 2020 08: 39
    There are no effective medicines, but most people recover using conventional medicines, people with poor health die. There is no vaccine yet, only promises. Despite the measures taken, it is not possible to stop the pandemic. How it all ends and when is also unclear.

    The virus has already stepped beyond, it is already clear.
    Not everyone is afraid of the virus, as such, more care about lost profits !!! This is also visible.
    The virus only finishes off the weak, it seems they say so ... just some sort of selection!
    Many misunderstandings, including what will happen next?
    1. +1
      3 March 2020 10: 56
      Any disease kills weak organisms, the coronovirus is no exception.
      1. +3
        3 March 2020 11: 45
        A doctor recently spoke, explained that modern medicine has stopped the natural selection of the human race!
        Talk about the gene pool is always very tense, because from just understanding the current state of health of the human race to .... in short, anything can be agreed!
        1. +3
          3 March 2020 17: 19
          That's something like this happens ... and it is used in completely different cases ...
          1. +1
            3 March 2020 18: 02
            There would be nothing to cook up affairs forever.
            However, those figures and something like that can be bungled, there is no doubt about this!
            1. +3
              3 March 2020 18: 05
              The fact that all these panic screams are fraught with big capital, I have no doubt ...
  16. +6
    3 March 2020 08: 57
    The Chinese most pollute the planet, here is nature and tries to get rid of them in the first place.
  17. +1
    3 March 2020 09: 01
    The author, would you read what an epidemic and pandemic is and so on. Then they would not write nonsense.
  18. +2
    3 March 2020 09: 33
    Well, most of all, coronavirus is similar (and apparently is) to ordinary flu. The reaction of the world's authorities is somehow reminiscent of the reaction of the democratic bastard, who is struggling to cut down the hype to his elections. And the WHO reaction is extremely similar to the story of bird flu, when some kids, quite by accident, directly related to WHO, managed to raise simply fantastic amounts on vaccines. How scary to live, swimming in a sea of ​​shit, from which absolutely no way out is visible ...
  19. +2
    3 March 2020 10: 17
    Well fsё, we wrap ourselves in a white sheet and slowly, with all the "ball" - in the cemetery ... The author scared ...
  20. +1
    3 March 2020 10: 57
    "And then involuntarily come to mind pictures from science fiction films with a similar plot... "

    Does the author hint at this?

  21. 0
    3 March 2020 10: 59
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    Among the oddities of the virus in the text of the article I want to point out that at first the virus only affected people of the Mongoloid race.

    Well this is necessary. Well - starting in China, the virus primarily affected the Chinese. The most obvious ethnic weapon!
    And it didn’t occur to him that if the epidemic started in Africa, then he would have hit mostly blacks?
    No need to build conspiracy theories from scratch and with obvious logical flaws.
  22. +1
    3 March 2020 12: 56
    Author, study the meaning of the term pandemic, perhaps after that your literary talent will undergo changes ...
  23. +3
    3 March 2020 13: 01
    Former member of the UN Commission on Biological Weapons Igor Nikulin believes that sabotage has been committed in Wuhan, external or internal.
    And I agree with him, it hurts this virus VERY selectively, but deadly. Something similar to the "epidemic" of Anthrax in Sverdlovsk
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 15: 27
      Mortality is too low for a war virus. Unlike anthrax.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 15: 57
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Mortality is too low for a war virus. Unlike anthrax.

        Who knows what will "grow" out of "him"
  24. +2
    3 March 2020 14: 44
    this virus is VERY selectively ... acting

    it seems so - the Pope fell ill with the coronavirus https://www.livekuban.ru/news/obshchestvo/papa-rimskiy-zabolel-koronavirusom/

    don't know how true this is
  25. 0
    3 March 2020 15: 15
    Quote: svp67
    And I agree with him, it hurts this virus VERY selectively, but deadly. Something similar to the "epidemic" of Anthrax in Sverdlovsk

    And the same picture was with bird flu in China, then 2 people from Europeans were infected if not mistaken. And mostly men from 16 to 45 years old were ill ...
  26. +1
    3 March 2020 16: 09
    When it’s already normal, i.e. Adequate, people will stop being carried on any crap invented for scalding the pharmaceutical mafia to blisters ?! Avian influenza, SARS, swine flu, gonkogsky flu, ebola, coronovirus ... What's next? Crocodile tripper ???
    1. +3
      3 March 2020 17: 16
      Yeah, now they’ve discovered the brother of the coronovirus, just in case, to be safe and to breed all the rest ...
  27. +2
    3 March 2020 17: 15
    Coronavirus stroke. What do virologists hide?


    Nobody is hiding anything, this "show" was organized by the world capital, dividing spheres of influence ...
  28. 0
    5 March 2020 07: 48
    "If you are weak, go straight to the coffin; keep your health so that you can do it, people rub down. ........" Vysotsky is getting clearer)))))))).
  29. 0
    5 March 2020 10: 00
    Coronovirus is a product. Not military, although it is very similar. Someone tried very hard. I suspect that a private laboratory was commissioned by globalists. For this version, the percentage of the population with the highest mortality speaks. Old people and sick people with weakened immune systems. That is, someone It is impossible to exploit. And that is where it all began. The region where the main production facilities of the "free market" are now located. And most likely this is a test for world reaction. A test of the pen, so to speak. It is also evidenced by the fact that since the mid-80s the main world powers have been developing bioweapons with selective defeat on a genetic basis.
  30. -1
    8 March 2020 17: 48
    Mostly the elderly die. As PF dreamed. Is his ears sticking out here?
  31. 0
    April 5 2020 16: 42
    There are experts who can answer the question: how realistic is it to integrate vif protein into the flu virus? If so, what properties would a mutant have?