Katyn case: inconsistencies that make you think


One of the main claims put forward by Warsaw to Moscow is the accusations of "Katyn execution" that have been exaggerated for more than seventy years. To argue on this issue not only with russophobic Polish patriots, but even with representatives of the domestic liberal public, who is scolding “repentance” for yet another “totalitarian atrocity,” is an empty matter, because no arguments will be heard. Therefore, we just dwell on some questions, honest answers to which will make us look at the Katyn affair from another perspective.


First of all, let’s talk about what constitutes an “unbreakable card” in the speckled deck of those who claim that Polish officers were shot in 1940 at the evil intention of the NKVD - either in pursuance of a direct order, or with the full approval of Stalin personally. That is, about allegedly authentic documents confirming this version.

Yes, something like that exists: he walks all over the Internet, being in the public domain, the “Beria memorandum” in which he convinces Stalin to lime all Polish prisoners of war. It seems to be important and genuine paper, but it’s exactly what seems to be. It is issued not according to the rules of office work, there is no date on the document. It is somehow strange, alarming ... With the "decisions of the Politburo" on this issue - and even worse. On one of the extracts for some reason there is a seal ... of the CPSU, which was born already in 1952, and during the events described it was called the CPSU (b). But then even more interesting. Discrepancies that make you think - like from a cornucopia.

The highest party authority instructs the top three bodies of the NKVD to consider the cases of captured Poles. Well, everything converges - the Beria executioners, threes, executions ... There is only one detail - by a joint decision of the USSR Council of People's Commissars and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, all up to one trio were disbanded and were strictly forbidden back in 1938, that is, two years before the alleged execution. And the composition of the “repressive organ” is obtained, according to “genuine documents”, rather strange: Vsevolod Merkulov, Bogdan Kobulov, Leonid Mashtakov. Yes, the names are famous, but the point is in the posts. The first as of 1940 is the head of the NKVD State Security Directorate, the second directs the Main Economic Directorate, and the third - the accounting and registration department at all. Such is the composition of the "shooting three" - this, excuse me, is nonsense. There are similar inconsistencies, which indicate that those who were in the USSR, at first during Khrushchev’s time, and then under Gorbachev, “collected materials” regarding Katyn, so that they could “repent” for their imperfections and heartily. But exceptionally superficial.

Now about the issues related to the burials directly found under the Goat Mountains. That is, specifically physical evidence and evidence, which, as everyone knows, constitutes the basis for the prosecution and acquittal in any investigation. Before turning to details, I want to ask: why doesn’t anyone bother with the moment that almost all the “mass graves of the victims of Stalinist repressions” that were “discovered” by the Germans in the USSR were “located” exclusively in those places where the Nazis themselves carried out mass executions of civilians, and certainly in a year, or even more after this area was occupied by them? In the case of Katyn, the interval was from 1941 to 1943. Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?

As a matter of fact, the main evidence smashing the version of the "enkavedesh shootings" to smithereens is the generally recognized fact: all the victims were killed by 7,65-mm Geco 7,65 D bullets. A similar ammunition was used for the German pistols Walter and Mauser. It would seem, what else is there to talk about? However, the “prosecutors”, both international and domestic, have an “explanation” on this score: they say that the insidious executioners of the NKVD, foreseeing in advance that their terrible crime could be solved, specifically “executed” those executed not from Nagans or TT, but exclusively from German weapons and German cartridges. To, so to speak, cast a shadow and make confusion. No, you think about it: in 1940, the Third Reich is still not our enemy, there is a non-aggression pact, and the nostradamus from the Beria’s department will already foresee not only the war, but also the fact that the Wehrmacht will reach right up to Smolensk - a trait that many summers will have. 1941 seemed unreal! And at the same time, they exclusively knit Poles with German-made cords, dig ditches and graves with pedantic geometric accuracy, more typical of Germans than our brother ... Here are insidious monsters!

There is still a lot of details of the same kind: the fallen leaves discovered in the graves, which in no way could get there in the month of April, but are understandable if the Nazis executed the shootings in the fall of 1941. Letters of the Poles dated much later than the "execution of the NKVD", suspiciously well-preserved newspapers, it is not clear how they got to the prisoners at all. And also - documented evidence of local residents that before the war, there were no "closed zones" specially protected and inaccessible to ordinary citizens in the Katyn Forest. They appeared only with the advent of the Nazis. Well, then the Polish graves “suddenly showed up” ...

There are diary entries of Nazi officers and functionaries, right up to the doctor of Goebbels propaganda, directly confirming: Katyn is a colossal provocation of the Third Reich aimed at denigrating the USSR and driving wedges between it and its allies, as well as inciting hatred of the Poles towards the Russians. Alas, the plan was a complete success.

The “official confession of guilt of the USSR,” concocted and announced in the days of Gorbachev, is the essence of the link in the endless chain of his betrayals of the country and deliberate acts aimed at its destruction. The final point in the Katyn case, alas, will not be set for a very long time. It is easy to give birth to lies with a certain effort. Destroy is much more difficult.
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  1. sergo1914 25 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    Elena Prudnikova in her book painted everything well and laid out on shelves. The Germans shot.
    1. Tatyana 25 February 2020 17: 51 New
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      CIA agent Gorbachev had long been put to the wall and shot!
      And we pay him a pension in the amount of about 800 thousand rubles. per month, etc. benefits in the Russian Federation he has for himself and his family!
      DAM also awarded Gobach with the highest order of the Russian Federation - the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called!
      This is a mockery of the people of Russia!

      To deprive Gorbachev of the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called or not? May 22, 2013


      Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent. Posted Jul 13 2013 year
      1. Tatyana 25 February 2020 18: 03 New
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        The russophobic elite of modern bourgeois Poland needs to be politically drafted in the interests of the historical truth and national security of the Russian Federation. Namely.

        Therefore, Putin needs to close the case of the falsification of Soviet “Katyn” documents committed by Gorbachev / Yakovlev in favor of the Goebbels version of the alleged execution of 20 thousand Poles (policemen, judges, security guards) supposedly by the NKVD, and not by the Germans.
        With this, it is necessary to knock out the Polish Russophobes in their world anti-Russian policy, the main now supporting stone from under their feet against Russia - the Goebel myth of the allegedly execution of 20 thousand Poles by Russians in 1940. In fact, evidence has been gathered that the massacres of the Poles in 1940 by the USSR authorities were NOT.

        In particular, the government of the Russian Federation and Putin himself need to end with the myth in the same Copper, which has become history. Namely.

        In the Tver region, 30 kilometers from Tver there is a memorial complex "Copper". The visitors of Medny are assured that the remains of more than 6 thousand Polish prisoners of war, shot by the USSR authorities in the spring of 1940 in Kalinin, rest in this place. There is a similar memorial in the Smolensk region (Katyn).

        In the period from 1941 to 1943, several hospitals were located in the vicinity of the village of Mednoye. The Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army, who died in wounded medical battalions, were also buried there. And in the place where the Polish memorial is now located, there was a collection point for the bodies of the Red Army soldiers who died in battles, whose memory has not yet been immortalized. In 2006, representatives of the “Union of Soviet Officers” erected a marble slab on the territory of the Mednovsky Memorial in memory of the Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army who fell in battle. But soon the stove mysteriously disappeared.

        Myths of Copper Posted: Jul 25 2015 year
        1. Tatyana 25 February 2020 18: 09 New
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          It should be noted that on November 26, 2010, the State Duma of the Russian Federation also adopted the Statement “On the Katyn Tragedy and its Victims”.
          This shameful document, made explicitly by order from above, also blames the Soviet side on the Soviet side for all the blame for the shooting of Polish officers. In fact, it confirms the version of events fabricated at one time by the Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels. Moreover, the document contains offensive, baseless attacks on the Soviet government and the leadership of the USSR. The adoption of this statement may also lead to multibillion claims of the Polish side against Russia.

          Communist deputies strongly opposed the adoption of this document.
          The patriotic position of the Russians - regarding the falsification by Gorbachev / Yakovlev of Soviet documents on the Katyn case in support of Goebbels propaganda - was substantiated back then by a member of the Communist Party faction V.I. in his speech to the State Duma of the Russian Federation Ilyukhin.

          And indeed, after 10 years, the historical practice of international relations has clearly shown that with no false-concessive liberalism of the Russian "leaders" with their hope in the "pink glasses" to achieve any kind of Western disposition towards Russia, historically did not pass, does not pass - and will not pass!
          And it is time to end such an anti-Russian russophobic ruling elite at the “top” of the Russian Federation!

          In addition, the Polish memorial in Mednoye, which is located in the Russian Federation and is kept at the expense of Russians, must be opened completely, exhumed, and a thorough socio-medical examination carried out. Then, to separate the Poles from those who died in the battles and who died from wounds in the local hospitals of the Soviet military personnel - soldiers and officers. To create a real memorial for the Red Army soldiers who fell in battle.
          And with the Poles buried there, one must act according to historical truth and finish the matter contrary to the fabrications of Poland and by agreement with the authorities of the Russian Federation.
          Historical popular justice must triumph over the political idiocy of the ruling elite.

          Goebbels would be happy! Posted Nov 26 2010 year
          1. Tatyana 25 February 2020 18: 26 New
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            Quote: sergo1914
            Elena Prudnikova in her book painted everything well and laid out on shelves. The Germans shot.

            In my home library I have this book by E. A. Prudnikova "Katyn: A Lie That Became History", 2015 edition.
            The authors of the book are trying to put an end to the Katyn case, using as evidence not emotions, not political intrigues, but only facts.
            And historical facts suggest that it was the Germans who shot the Poles!
            1. mikh-korsakov 25 February 2020 19: 35 New
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              Okay. Everyone saw it. Our commander in chief repented and got up on his knees. I admit that he himself, for sure, did not delve deeply into this matter - this is not a royal matter. Only, perhaps, I do not have to impute to me “faith in a good king” - this has nothing to do with it, I just worked for a long time and I know that even at the level of the director of a large company, they are preparing a question for the director. Another thing is that the composition and quality of the work of advisers is the responsibility of the boss. Our president is multipolar and omnivorous (the late L. Alekseeva and Z, Prilepin in one bottle) - how is this? Apparently, his advisers told him that he needed to take the position of the Poles in the name of pragmatism in terms of universal values, normalization of relations with Poland and the approval of the curator. Well, he sinned. The Poles swallowed the gesture of GDP with pleasure and wanted more. And away we go. And the Ukrainians on Maidan were set on Russia, and the monuments were demolished, and the blame for the World War was laid, maybe it still repents, but then it’ll roll away the little money, and now they have demanded, in the end, to organize our arrival to conduct anti-Russian bacchanalia directly on your territory but do not attend there yourself. We must pay tribute to the GDP realized its mistake, began to snap back. There comes a moment of truth. Allowing the Poles to come means ... And then let the explanators of his line then say that this is a wise move, that they will come and they will be ashamed !!! They will be ashamed - ha ha ha. These are pipes from pipes.
              1. Ross xnumx 26 February 2020 07: 49 New
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                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                We must pay tribute to GDP realized his mistake, began to snap back. There comes a moment of truth.

                What is the mistake? What gave Viktor Ilyukhin the opportunity to speak at the State Duma? So now the death of Ilyukhin is covered in darkness ...
                It is not yet known who caused the greatest harm to Russia and its statehood: EBN - with its senile drunken antics or GDP - with its cunning plans and fabulous breakthroughs ...
                This is a constant meme-kanye on Katyn’s issues, this blame on everyone who was born in the Soviet era and has the “audacity” to live and remember all the joys of the Soviet past ... Yes, it’s his direct fault that it’s reasonable on Russian TV channels people are not allowed to say the words, and Polish “fosterlings” pour insults and streams of lies on our country, on you and me.
                1. aybolyt678 26 February 2020 08: 24 New
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                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Polish "fosterlings" pour insults and streams of lies on our country, on you and me.

                  Or maybe it's for the better ... as a vaccine for the future ???
                  1. Ross xnumx 26 February 2020 11: 26 New
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                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Or maybe it's for the better ... as a vaccine for the future ???

                    We have already been given so many vaccinations for the future that only a short-sighted person (completely not caring about the future of his country) will open all the cards for the right to be “shook hands”.
                    See for yourself. Here is this gebist, who played in the “supreme ruler” and “constitutional reformer”, what did he acquire in the person of world states?
                    Perhaps we are happy to be welcomed in any country at any time?
                    Looks like Russia is dismissing technology in industrial production with which world countries are in a hurry to share with it?
                    Probably the Russian ruble is included in the list of reserve currencies?
                    Is it true that the West is trying to bring Russia's GDP closer to Spanish (per capita) with the declared economic sanctions?
                    To know, Macron returned (with apology) the Mistrals ordered in France?
                    Perhaps the Russian state guaranteed the safety of Russians anywhere in the world?
                    Apparently, the Crimea is recognized as part of the Russian Federation on the basis of the international right of nations to self-determination, and the water again “gurgled” according to the CCM?
                    Obviously, our athletes are no longer perceived as a source of doping?
                    Apparently, the Russian government can no longer be taken “by the gills” with existing residence permits, rights to foreign business and real estate, the presence of young students who are guaranteed the right to study in foreign universities under the law of “kinship”?
                    Come, did the American authorities return diplomatic property to the United States?
                    Tea, Turks ceased to speak "hotly and harshly" about the construction of skyscrapers from the skulls of the Russian military?
                    Or maybe it’s time for us to make “especially sick Russophobia” a small “perke” for a test of Kurchatov-Sakharov syndrome?
                    belay
                    1. mikh-korsakov 26 February 2020 12: 06 New
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                      Yuri Vasilievich! And here Kurchatov. Kurchatov led a team of scientists who gave the USSR nuclear weapons. And you him with late Sakharov, who, if anyone does not know in the early years, calculated the hydrogen bomb, then later his brains went crazy, and you are on the same board!
                      1. Ross xnumx 26 February 2020 14: 13 New
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                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        Yuri Vasilievich! And here Kurchatov. Kurchatov led a team of scientists who gave the USSR nuclear weapons.

                        You see, here I got excited. Meaning:
                        Or maybe it’s time for us to make “especially sick Russophobia” a small “perke” for a test of Kurchatov-Sakharov syndrome?

                        I, inherent in my tongue-tied tongue, voiced the VVZh when, in order to demonstrate the power of the Russian Federation, he proposed:

                        It was this process of nuclear fission that I called Kurchatov-Sakharov syndrome ...
                        request
                        He was wrong, got excited ...
                        hi
                      2. mikh-korsakov 26 February 2020 15: 02 New
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                        Yuri Vasilievich! Understood thanks! When I was studying, the teachers still came across old people who participated in a nuclear project to produce plutonium - these were heroic people. At the beginning of the work, little was known about the effects of radiation, so one was without a finger - fell under a beam, the second walked forever with a crimson cheek. Now they are not alive. What a pity - there were bright people
                      3. Nikolai Korovin 26 February 2020 21: 14 New
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                        Americium-243, I must report, the thing is pretty poisonous.
                  2. Siberian54 28 February 2020 12: 20 New
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                    He did not go nuts! On the contrary, he needed it for the speedy production of Israel's RAM.
        2. Theme, dear Tatyana, ,, slippery ,,. But the truth is uncomfortable.
          There were several camps for the maintenance of Polish officers in the USSR ...., the international commission, which the Germans had gathered at one time, found inadequate evidence ... The corpses were in uniform, and in the pockets of the uniform were newspapers, letters ... of a certain period. Well-known high-ranking military men in Poland were shot ... Here they were imprisoned in the USSR, and then hundreds of families suddenly and simultaneously broke off before the start of the Great Patriotic War ... There were letters returned to Poland with a note ,, the addressee left, ..., the graffiti on the walls of the last stage, which were read by those Poles who arrived later and who managed to return to their homeland over the years, for example, through the Craiova Army or through the Army Polish .... ,, Handwriting, peculiar - trees planted on top ... A whole grove of young trees. In short, fragmented and from memory.
          The story, Tatyana, she is so ... ,, unkempt, ,, such as it is, and not the one that NEEDS someone for something. Moreover, people need it to search for the TRUTH, and, to ordinary people, it is usually needed to manipulate people
          1. Tatyana 26 February 2020 19: 12 New
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            Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
            Theme, dear Tatyana, ,, slippery ,,. But the truth is uncomfortable.
            ..A whole grove of young trees. In short, fragmented and from memory.
            The story, Tatyana, she is so ... ,, unkempt, ,, such as it is, and not the one that NEEDS someone for something. Moreover, people need it to search for the TRUTH, and, to ordinary people, it is usually needed to manipulate people

            Dear Evgeny Plotnikov!
            In my home library I have this book by E. A. Prudnikova "Katyn: A Lie That Became History", 2015 edition. I read it and studied the facts with a pencil in my hands.
            Everything that you write about is described there with the pros and cons from both sides.
            The authors of the book are not just trying to somehow put an end to the “Katyn case”, but they are trying to put an end to it by using not emotions, not political intrigues, but facts only as evidence!
            And historical facts suggest that it was the Germans who shot the Poles!
            Try to read this book! There are many documents presented, which are not discussed in various videos on this issue.

            In my opinion, this book is in electronic form at the Russian National Library.
            1. zenion 27 February 2020 14: 20 New
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              For some reason, they forgot that they collected and created the Anders army. Where did they get the full officers? In addition, tens of thousands of Polish officers refused to be in the army, which did not fight the Germans, but for years stretched in countries under England's jurisdiction and entered the war at the end of the war. In addition, the Polish Army was created in the USSR, in which there were also Polish officers, or were there privates turned into officers? Really forgot about the provocation of the Germans in the radio station Gleivits, before the attack on Poland, because that provocation and provocation in Katyn are the same.
    2. Machito 25 February 2020 23: 15 New
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      The Poles shot themselves in Katyn.
      1. Nikolai Korovin 26 February 2020 00: 16 New
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        Partly true. They did not want to evacuate - they wanted the Germans to free them from the dictates of the Soviets. The officers were forced to build a road, you see.
      2. Range 26 February 2020 01: 01 New
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        After “penguins” poked around in the archives, archives in Katyn should also be examined. There are many striped "namuhvulyali", the imputation arrogantly and not embarrassed.
      3. cradle 26 February 2020 05: 08 New
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        Yes Yes! But German bullets, with control.
      4. fleks 26 February 2020 09: 33 New
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        Umnik. And how many of ours died in Polish concentration camps in 1920? They there too ...?
  2. novel66 25 February 2020 18: 11 New
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    : All the victims were killed by 7,65 mm Geco 7,65 D bullets. A similar ammunition was used for the German pistols "Walter" and "Mauser"

    and all !!! for any trail - more than enough !!
    1. 210ox 25 February 2020 18: 27 New
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      He lived in Smolensk for almost half a century. Here is what I want to bring. Immediately after the war, the Borok sanatorium from the Ministry of Internal Affairs was created almost at that place. Well, I think the responsible people from the authorities would not rest at the crime scene. Whatever it was. Yes, and where did Anders' army come from on the territory of the USSR if the entire Lyakhov “color” was knocked out in Katyn and Medny?
      1. novel66 25 February 2020 18: 29 New
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        for starters - and where are our prisoners. 20s?
        1. aybolyt678 26 February 2020 08: 26 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          for starters - and where are our prisoners. 20s?

          And there were more than 26 thousand of them there. There are generally recognized figures - the total number of 157 thousand people, 85 thousand returned. The rest perished, the hunger of the disease of bullying.
      2. 210ox 25 February 2020 19: 13 New
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        I'll add more. Before the war, there was a guarded territory with a military-industrial complex Bel VO. The ground parts of these fortifications are still preserved there. And what, they were shot at hand right by the side? Near Smolensk is full of places where you can without noise and dust .. And then the Nazis came and "discovered" ..
        1. novel66 26 February 2020 07: 21 New
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          Mukhin’s everything is painted according to the points!
      3. Doctor 25 February 2020 19: 52 New
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        He lived in Smolensk for almost half a century. Here is what I want to bring. Immediately after the war, the Borok sanatorium from the Ministry of Internal Affairs was created almost at that place. Well, I think the responsible people from the authorities would not rest at the crime scene.

        This is just the usual practice for them. Verified people should settle in such places, otherwise peasants will dig something exotic in their country house.
        The famous "Kommunarka" used to be completely surrounded by summer cottages of former employees.

        Another thing is that the Goat Mountains is generally a very interesting place ...
        1. 210ox 25 February 2020 20: 05 New
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          Who is this common practice for? What are you rubbing rubbish. Already the haters of the organs standing guard over the State hesitated.
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          2. cradle 26 February 2020 05: 16 New
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            The elite served in the NKVD troops. These were steel people! And those who bark at them now, because they bark because they have already left.
          3. novel66 26 February 2020 07: 21 New
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            Dmitry! hi Respect !! and respect good
    2. Nikolai Korovin 26 February 2020 21: 18 New
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      Well, the “Mauser” by the year 1940 had somehow almost gone, and the “Walter” had just begun to produce. It seems extremely unlikely that the very first consignments went for export to the USSR.
  3. Pravodel 26 February 2020 07: 06 New
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    The question of Gorbachev in general should not be on the “spy or not spy” plane, but on the legal assessment of Gorbachev’s activities as the head of state — the USSR. It is also necessary to supplement such figures as Shevarnadze and Co ...
    A special court created on the basis of the State Duma and the Federation Council, which will understand the charms of Gorbachev’s rule and put an end to issues of betraying the interests of Russia and the people of Russia, must give a legal assessment of the activities of Gorbachev and Co.
  4. oracul 26 February 2020 08: 14 New
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    Do not overestimate the role of Gorbachev. He simply is not suitable for the role of a spy in his qualities. The main thing. he was not capable of real government, taking responsibility for his decisions. Yes, he possessed some skills of palace intrigues, but did not understand his role. To reach such heights in our country, he had the ability to speak, or rather to chatter others, which was against the background of the tongue-tied tongue of his predecessors (with the exception of Andropov). He really wanted to please the West and succeeded in this. There was an odious figure in his circle, on which he relied on many issues. It was Yakovlev A.N .. The maximum that Gorbachev was fit with his personal qualities is to be an agent of influence, and even that which was used in the dark.
    1. Nikolai Korovin 26 February 2020 21: 20 New
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      Yes, just an illiterate talker. "Tajik". Consensus neither to the village, nor to the city. To all consensus. Ponimash.
      1. beeper 27 February 2020 02: 33 New
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        Quote: Nikolai Korovin
        Yes, just an illiterate talker. "Tajik". Consensus neither to the village, nor to the city. To all consensus. Ponimash.

        hi Yes, only Mikhinogo thinking was enough to understand the intellectual and educational level of this note-teller (after he was approved as Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the first gasps of the hasty humpbacked cheeks “oh, how young, oh, speaks without a piece of paper!”, I read it for the sake of interest (as it’s easy to listen to his semi-literate, not processed "for printing", "speeches" with phrases-parasites, could not-was nervous, trying to find at least a fraction of the meaning in Gorbachev's words-for conducting political information with the team request ), “editorial” on two pages in “Komsomolskaya Pravda”, with some sort of his “spontaneous exit of the young general secretary into the crowd for conversation”.

        And what?! The HMS is asked a specific simple question, and he frankly, right on the CT cameras, blabs his answer to almost a page of text with a small font, but so, in fact, doesn’t answer anything, it’s just “watery water”, it’s disgusting to read this idle talk !

        So I read a couple of Gorbachev’s lengthy “interviews” and stopped, I realized that there wouldn’t be any sense from this shabby yap, only harm!
        So it turned out, that's just the harm from Gorbach and his Raisa surpassed all my "bold assumptions" ... request

        And this "labeled (there is no place to put samples!) Miracle" still smokes the sky with impunity, alas! Yes, well, and instead of thinking about the Soul, this scoundrel continues to "stick his tongue" - a plug in every hole, as if mocking all of us and trying to finish it off completely ?! negative
    2. andrew42 27 February 2020 13: 54 New
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      The fact that Yagupop 77th was a talker and a worthless organizer, that hanging out on a leash from Raeochka My People and agent Yakovlev, does not in any way relieve him of his primary responsibility for a deliberate state, moreover, planned and modeled as deep as 5 years.
  • Arlen 25 February 2020 18: 06 New
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    The VO website already had an article dedicated to Katyn. It said that "back in 1943-1944 a special commission led by the chief surgeon of the Red Army N. Burdenko came to the conclusion that the Nazis killed Polish soldiers. "
    https://topwar.ru/130811-kto-rasstrelyal-v-katyni-polskih-oficerov.html
    P.S. On my own behalf, I’ll add that all the accusations of the shooting of the Poles by the NKVD are beneficial to the anti-Russian and Russophobic forces, for the appearance of a complex of guilt against the "enlightened Europeans" among the citizens of our country.
    1. Svarog 25 February 2020 21: 46 New
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      Quote: Arlen
      for the emergence of a guilty complex among the citizens of our country before the "enlightened Europeans".

      This is how much you need to be frostbitten so that you feel guilty towards the Europeans .. These "enlightened" people have recently started to wash themselves humanly ..
  • knn54 25 February 2020 18: 53 New
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    Alain Deco is a historian, publicist, and public figure. Former French Deputy Foreign Minister. And far from sympathy for the USSR.
    "Katyn: Hitler or Stalin."
    The exhumation was carried out by the Nazis in conjunction with Polish "experts."
    There is an interesting trilogy (albeit artistic) of the Lviv writer N. Daleky about the Soviet intelligence agent. In this case, “For living and dead water” is the last, third. It is completely “independent”.
  • tihonmarine 25 February 2020 20: 41 New
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    Quote: sergo1914
    Elena Prudnikova in her book painted everything well and laid out on shelves. Germans shot

    The book of Grigory Goryachhenkov is also good, and it seems that the author of the article relied on it.
  • NordUral 25 February 2020 20: 41 New
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    That's it! It's time to close this topic and the Poles firmly explain it. Enough!
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      It's time to close this topic and the Poles firmly explain it.

      Someone laid flowers, the topic was closed.
  • Campanella 25 February 2020 17: 39 New
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    No docking to say the least. All this is sewn with white thread. It is well known how the survivors of the Stalinist repressions during the time of Yelkin, the donors “made” the Stalin documents, they turned the counters on, and now this will have to be cleaned up for a long time. Because the main privatizer still holds bread positions, and his brother, a publicist-historian, continues to shit on a small one.
  • DMB 75 25 February 2020 17: 39 New
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    But what else could there be inconsistencies? The Germans shot the Poles. It is proved. And who "even in the eyes, all God's dew," you will not prove anything.
  • Strashila 25 February 2020 17: 50 New
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    The Katyn case is proved by the Nuremberg trials that this is an act of the Nazis.
    All other revelations, clean remake.
    “they say, the insidious executioners of the NKVD, foreseeing in advance that their terrible crime could be solved, specially“ executed ”the executed not from Nagans or TTs, but exclusively from German weapons and German cartridges.”, they tied their hands with killed German twine and German knots.
    This is reflected in the documents of Soviet investigators in the Katyn case during the war.
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  • Livonetc 25 February 2020 17: 50 New
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    I heard about Katyn in 83, listening to enemy voices at night.
    The goal was to record western music.
    I recorded the WEF from the receiver to electronics 311.
    Sometimes at night it was possible to catch a good signal with minimal interference.
    They also broadcast religious dregs in Russian from all sorts of pastors.
    1. tihonmarine 25 February 2020 20: 49 New
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      I heard about Katyn in 83, listening to enemy voices at night.

      I heard and knew this since 1962, when I lived in the village. Krasny Bor is not far from those places, there was also 136 camp. Old people told a lot, but few of their stories were reflected in the documents. But at the time of Khrushchev, as well as at the time of Gorbachev-Yeltsin, these testimonies were not needed, the first to beat Stalin, the second to All / Soviet power and the country. But the behavior of the authorities in present-day Russia is not clear to me.
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        But the behavior of the authorities in present-day Russia is not clear to me.

        I personally understand the behavior of the authorities of today's Russia since the 91st year.
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        But the behavior of the authorities in present-day Russia is not clear to me.

        So they are followers .. Gorbachev-Yeltsins ..
  • Skif 25 February 2020 17: 53 New
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    And here is still bad luck! The "Great Exposure" took place exactly in anticipation of the meeting of the Big Three in Tehran.
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    1. carstorm 11 25 February 2020 18: 07 New
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      in it sat mostly people with uniform on their posts! The Gulag is the Main Directorate of Forced Labor Camps. Do you understand management? it's like saying now that people are sitting in the Federal Penitentiary Service. serving sentences in correctional facilities and not in administration. I sometimes have teeth from this expression)
    2. vvvjak 25 February 2020 18: 27 New
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      Honestly, this issue will not hurt you to study, preferably from various sources. Maybe even about the Anders army enough patience to get to the bottom. But about the "food for fools" are you in vain .......
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        Maybe even about the Anders army enough patience to get to the bottom.

        And what to dig about it, they just ran away to Africa, so as not to get to the German front. This 1st and 2nd Army Polish Army fought as part of the Red Army.
        1. vvvjak 25 February 2020 21: 48 New
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          So I am hinting to a “Karabas” comrade about this — study the question. 120 thousand Poles went to the Middle East, another min. 50 thousand in the Polish Army. And now the question: "Where did the Poles go?" The natural answer (from the point of view of "not fools not eating belching") - shot Stalin (personally).
          PS Information for especially "stubborn". About 1400 bodies were found in Katyn. And also, in the city of Novgorod - Volynsky (Western Ukraine), two Poles were found, who appear to be shot in Medny (according to the Gorbachev lists).
      2. nov_tech.vrn 26 February 2020 13: 15 New
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        his father said that Anders’s army was leaving the USSR, they couldn’t take everything with them, for all his life he remembered how the Poles burned food in front of hungry boys.
    3. Adam Khomich 25 February 2020 18: 47 New
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      Solzhenitsyn was sitting in a camp in the village of Vladykino (not far from the current metro station Vladykino), now Altufevskoe highway, the area of ​​houses is 13-27. And further. Have you forgotten to indicate WHO WRITTEN DAMAGES? And then everyone is to blame - Stalin, Beria, the NKVD, but only not informers from the environment of the repressed!
    4. Adam Khomich 25 February 2020 18: 52 New
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      Did the NKVD release captured Polish officers?

      Do you know how many captured Red Army soldiers the Poles starved to death and shot in the 20s? And no Geneva Conventions, Red Crosses, or international law were authority for them. Take an interest and be very surprised
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        Quote: Adam Khomich
        Do you know how many captured Red Army soldiers the Poles starved to death and shot in the 20s?

        And you dig in and find out how many Red Army ethics were. I personally found 120 people, of whom 000 died while being transported to the camps.
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        Quote: Adam Khomich
        Do you know how many captured Red Army soldiers the Poles starved to death and shot in the 20s? And no Geneva Conventions, Red Crosses, or international law were authority for them. Take an interest and be very surprised

        Does the current government need this?
      3. karabass 25 February 2020 22: 14 New
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        Yes, I don’t care who killed whom 100 years ago, I’m telling you an article - it stinks of propaganda for three versts! And since propaganda - let fools use it! I try to live my mind
        1. mikh-korsakov 26 February 2020 13: 31 New
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          Propaganda is a way of bringing the state’s position to the public. Any sorted information is propaganda. Unsorted information is what nuclear physics refers to as background or white noise. There are many facts - there is little sense. Anyone who does not believe the propaganda of his state inevitably believes the propaganda of another state, for it is impossible to try to sort out the white noise. For some, Stalin is a genius, for some, a bloody tyrant, wandering around the Internet, figuring out who is right - useless - is the law of large numbers.
          1. karabass 26 February 2020 16: 04 New
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            And this depends on what state propaganda to believe if developed as the United States or Europe, where people have good salaries, then to hell with it, you can pretend that you believed! And if some kind of Africa or ours - Russia, where people have low salaries, then even pretend that there is no reason to believe
            1. mikh-korsakov 26 February 2020 17: 32 New
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              I do not know. Here I recently spoke with my son. He told me that in St. Petersburg in private firms, a conversation with an experienced programmer, (in the material, but not enough stars) - the job seeker begins with a salary of 120000 p. Talented people who have worked abroad, claim 200000 or more. So according to your logic, are they all zaputintsy or what? Not at all, any convictions there in bulk. A cardio-x-ray surgeon in our regional hospital (shunts, stents, etc.) earns about 170000 r. This generally does not give a damn about any propaganda - their work is difficult.
              1. karabass 26 February 2020 17: 41 New
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                Well, someone should have been lucky. if I knew, I would study at the time at the Faculty of Computer Science. In our hospital, the best surgeon (when I planned the operation met him) earns 40 plus - Doctor of Science) I would like to draw your attention to the usual gray mass - ordinary people with simple specialties - Here is their salary - less unemployment benefits in developed countries. In Europe, you can just go to work at a factory or at a construction site and live with dignity, but in our country, working at a factory in a regular specialty rather than a rare profession is to doom yourself to a beggarly existence! Retire is the way to poverty! Therefore, I will not believe in anything for our state. I’ll rather believe the enemies
                1. mikh-korsakov 26 February 2020 19: 19 New
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                  About Europe. Upon retirement. signed a contract with a German private company and worked there for 2,5 years. In my department there were many German repatriates from Kazakhstan. First of all, they saw the decline in social status. The lady who was preparing a workplace for me (a salary of 1000 euros) “in a past life” was the head of the library in Kustanai. Her husband, a noble virgin soil, knight of the Order of Lenin, managed to get a welder at a construction site, from where he was quickly fired, since he did not want to learn "this dog language." According to her, the former chief accountant of the plant in Chimkent worked as a cleaner. In my case, I was offered a job due to the fact that I had special competence in the issue that they needed to solve. But I also moved from a scientific (in the Russian Federation) to an engineering position (in Germany), though, and here you are right in money seriously won. But life in a foreign country, without solid skills in the German language, is a minus.
                  1. karabass 26 February 2020 19: 52 New
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                    It would be nice if the Russian people received a good salary for their work as in Europe, and not as in third world countries! And why do you think I should leave my country in order to earn money normally! I want those in power to share stolen with the people, then we would have good salaries in Russia
    5. MORDVIN13rus 25 February 2020 19: 49 New
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      Read better the last of the columns of Tolstoy, namely D.A. Bystroletov's “Feast of the Immortals”, and not the idiot soprazhuikin, who even in the camps did not really sit. But Bystroletov, imprisoned for 18 years, by personal order of Yezhov. After the hedgehog was removed, they came to him several times, with acquittal decisions, but he was a proud man, and served the prescribed 18 years.
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          I also read Shalamov (but somewhere from a year or 2 ago, I got an interview with Shalamov, where he said that the Kolyma stories are not credibility, and he embellished a lot), and I repent sledzhuykin (who was forced to read at school) But Bystroletov, I most of all liked, no politoty, and other nonsense.
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            1. MORDVIN13rus 26 February 2020 22: 05 New
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              Well, what is easier for Bystroletov, here's how to look, but the fact that Solzhenitsyn was almost like cheese in butter is without options.
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    6. skobars 25 February 2020 21: 47 New
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      Well, karabass himself Here everything is almost laid out on shelves, but apparently a little scarce.
      1. karabass 25 February 2020 22: 06 New
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        As he was a political officer, he remained so!
        Only now without AIF, sorry? Right now I would speak and explain the party’s policy. But old age is not a joy.
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          karabass (ivan)
          Quote: karabass
          And nobody sat in the Gulag, and Shalamov and Solzhenitsyn invented everything.

          Well, yes, since when did Solzhenitsyn become a Gulag historian? And since when can one trust Solzhenitsyn's works of art and refer to them as evidence? And you say with your mind ... This must be bent like that
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  • Viktor Sergeev 25 February 2020 18: 01 New
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    For this, I would have put Gorbachev to life all the forgers-forgers.
    1. tihonmarine 25 February 2020 20: 57 New
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      For this, I would have put Gorbachev to life all the forgers-forgers.

  • Adam Khomich 25 February 2020 18: 06 New
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    In ideological assistants, Hunchback had a CIA officer Alexander Yakovlev. This "agent of influence" had such opportunities for falsification that the CIA never dreamed of. And then all this took shape in the form of exposing and repentant speeches of Gorbachev and in the decisions of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Now only interrogation with the predilection of a corrupt Nobel laureate (one would have to hurry until the labeled one has bent) can reveal the lies and deceit. And the Poles were shot by the Nazis, about which they themselves, with the help of the International Red Cross and the Vatican, and trumpeted the whole world.
    1. tihonmarine 25 February 2020 21: 02 New
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      Quote: Adam Khomich

      In ideological assistants, Hunchback had a CIA officer Alexander Yakovlev. This "agent of influence" had such opportunities for falsification that the CIA never dreamed of.

      Forgot to mention another such agent, Vladimir Falin. In 1988-1991 - head of the International Department of the CPSU Central Committee. In 1990-1991 - Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee.
      In 1992 he moved to Germany, where, at the invitation of the famous German politician Egon Bara, he worked as a professor of history at the Institute for the Study of Peace and Security (German Institut für Friedensforschung und Sicherheitspolitik) at the University of Hamburg. CC secretaries are not taken to the universities of Hamburg, but agents are forever.
  • Adam Khomich 25 February 2020 18: 08 New
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    Quote: Livonetc
    listening to enemy voices at night

    Seva = Seva Novgorodians .....
    City of London Be_be_S: :)
  • Old Horseradish 25 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    And why the hell did the Soviet Union climb into Poland when Poland fought with the Wehrmacht? Instead of building a common front against the Germans, or at least supporting Poland in every way, we, to put it mildly, have entered its borders. And as a result? Got a common land border with Germany. Flattened the future ally. Well, how many Poles died in our camps? Just do not yell "Urya", there are historical documents. Well, about the joint parade with the Wehrmacht, I am generally silent.
    No need to rewrite history, the war was a tragedy for both Poland and the Soviet Union. Both Poland and the Soviet Union suffered the greatest sacrifices in this damned war.
    1. Adam Khomich 25 February 2020 18: 40 New
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      Excuse me, did you smoke a history book?
      1. Doctor 25 February 2020 19: 42 New
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        Excuse me, did you smoke a history book?


        http://dvp.sssr.su/

        Start from volume XXII to XXIV. Almost all documents classified as “secret”, “top secret” and “top secret”.
        This is not a history textbook.
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Instead of building a common front against the Germans, or at least supporting Poland in every way,

      Did the Psheks want this?
      1. Old Horseradish 25 February 2020 19: 49 New
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        Quote: Alf
        Did the Psheks want this?

        The trouble is that no one was striving for this. Here Germany and crushed the Slavic states alone. The Slavs have one misfortune: no cohesion.
    3. MORDVIN13rus 25 February 2020 20: 00 New
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      And why the hell did the Poles forget in 1919 in Kiev? In April 39th, the USSR proposed that Naglia and France create a military alliance. But Naglia refused.
      1. A.TOR 25 February 2020 21: 14 New
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        You take an interest in what conditions the USSR arranged for the conclusion of an alliance against Hitler
        1. MORDVIN13rus 26 February 2020 19: 50 New
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          Well, what are the interesting conditions !? On April 17, 1939, the Soviet government turned to England with concrete, far-reaching proposals, which provided for:
          1. England, France, the USSR conclude an agreement between themselves for a period of 5-10 years on a mutual obligation to render each other immediately all assistance, including military assistance, in the event of aggression in Europe against any of the contracting states.
          2. England, France, the USSR undertake to provide all, including military, assistance to the East European states located between the Baltic and Black Seas and bordering the USSR in case of aggression against these states.
          The Soviet government considered it absolutely necessary to accompany the treaty of defensive alliance with a military convention containing precise indications of the size and forms of military assistance.
          However, the English and French parties essentially rejected these proposals, which were based on the complete reciprocity of obligations. They did not want to sign a military convention along with a political treaty. English and French representatives put forward their proposals, in which, as before, they tried to bind the USSR with unilateral obligations. Help was promised to the Soviet Union only if it was involved in the war by virtue of its obligations to England and France, and the USSR was obliged to help them in any military conflict with Germany. This project was unacceptable for the USSR, as it did not provide for effective mutual assistance of the USSR, England and France.
          1. A.TOR 27 February 2020 14: 15 New
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            If you don’t know about Stalin’s demands on England and France to “influence” Romania and Bulgaria so that they would agree to “Soviet guarantees” (with the deployment of troops), and if you quote Sovkov’s nonsense from an agitator’s notebook, then what to talk about with you? ?
            A lot of documents, in the public domain.
            1. MORDVIN13rus 27 February 2020 18: 37 New
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              Did you read the text? What guarantees did Stalin ask for in April 39th? Stalin proposed to influence England and France, on Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria, in the June sentence of 39, and not in the April sentence about which I wrote. Which by the way, too, England and France rejected.
    4. mikh-korsakov 25 February 2020 20: 09 New
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      Poland in 1939 was an enemy of the USSR. The Polish leadership sent saboteurs to the USSR and voiced vicious insinuations. So everything was done right
      1. A.TOR 25 February 2020 21: 15 New
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        "Saboteurs" and insinuations - this is one, and September 17. 1939 is another
    5. tihonmarine 25 February 2020 21: 04 New
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      And why the hell did the Soviet Union climb into Poland when Poland fought with the Wehrmacht?

      I thought that it was liberating the current lackey servants from the Poles. What happened is what happened, although I do not argue in vain.
    6. tihonmarine 25 February 2020 21: 08 New
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      And as a result? Got a common land border with Germany.

      If Western Ukraine had not been taken from Poland, then the Germans would have taken it, and we would have got the same Soviet-German border only hundreds of kilometers eastward. Further to write and not worth it.
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      Poland, England and France had a secret pact: a complete rejection of any military-political cooperation with the USSR, signed in the winter of 1939.
  • Operator 25 February 2020 18: 15 New
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    Another smearing of snot on a plate: the USSR state security agencies slammed in Katyn Polish punishers and occupiers, who had terrorized the indigenous population of the western territories of Ukraine and Belarus since 1920.

    But, for example, in Brest after his liberation from the Polish occupation in 1939, not all Polish military and police officers were arrested and sent outside the Urals, so that the rest took up arms that were buried on June 22, 1941 and shot in the back of the Red Army soldiers trying to stop parts of the Wehrmacht. Those. the Poles happily sided with Germany at the first opportunity.
  • iaroslav.mudryi 25 February 2020 18: 17 New
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    Victor Ilyukhin about Katyn falsification


    2010 Katyn: truth and falsehood. Interview Ilyukhin in "Literary newspaper"
    https://lgz.ru/article/N27--6282---2010-07-07-/Katыny:-pravda-i-krivda13315/

    2010. Statement by State Duma deputy V. Ilyukhin on mass falsifications of historical documents in the State Archives of the Russian Federation.


    March 19, 2011 Viktor Ivanovich Ilyukhin suddenly died in his country house in the village of Kratovo before the ambulance arrived.
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    There is a site "Truth about Katyn" (http://katyn.ru/)
  • nikvic46 25 February 2020 18: 32 New
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    I was recently surprised by V. Soloviev. After the downed plane in Iran. He said something like this. Iran was able to repent of its participation, just as we once repented in the events in Katyn. I boiled. How can we equate our country with Iran? After all, the main thing is that there is no evidence of our guilt. At one time, there were many refutations of this accusation. And that's it.
    1. A.TOR 25 February 2020 21: 16 New
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      After all, the main evidence is not our fault

      There are crimes without evidence
    2. skobars 25 February 2020 21: 54 New
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      That's exactly nikvic46 like this. Several times Solovyov dealt with the theme of Katyn and always denied our guilt in the execution of the Poles.
  • Doctor 25 February 2020 18: 34 New
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    As a matter of fact, the main evidence smashing the version of the "enkavedesh shootings" to smithereens is the generally recognized fact: all the victims were killed by 7,65-mm Geco 7,65 D bullets. A similar ammunition was used for the German pistols Walther and Mauser. It would seem, what else is there to talk about?

    This is the main evidence, CONFIRMING the version of the "enkavedeshnyh executions."
    If Goebbels actually gave the command to falsify the shooting in Katyn, then of course bullets and shells from TT would be found in the graves.
    As Zheglov said: "So the gun, Volodya, outweighs one hundred thousand other evidence."
    It is simply unbelievable that Germans could not take such evidence into account.
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      It is simply unbelievable that Germans could not take such evidence into account.

      I don’t know for the Germans, but in the world, and especially in Russia, they believe this. And no investigations otherwise convince- Unfortunate Polish officers were shot by the bloody NKVD. And even crack ..
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        On the other hand, there is such a photo, it outweighs all reasonable explanations.

        If he himself admitted, then what can you prove ...
        1. Svarog 25 February 2020 21: 56 New
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          Quote: Alf
          If he himself admitted, then what can you prove ...

          On two chairs .. on the one hand, tolerance and liberalism .. but it’s not popular among our people, on the other, it’s supposedly rigidity in upholding interests and enemies around .. But the truth is always visible - you will know it by deeds ..
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        I don’t know for the Germans, but in the world, and especially in Russia, they believe this. And no investigations otherwise convince- Unfortunate Polish officers were shot by the bloody NKVD. And even crack ..

        So how not to believe if they themselves talk about it?

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          Quote: Arzt
          So how not to believe if they themselves talk about it?

          Well, if Tokarev says that Polish prisoners were asked for a PLACE of WORK (1,55min), then there are no more questions ..
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            Well, if Tokarev says that Polish prisoners were asked for a PLACE of WORK (1,55min), then there are no more questions ..

            This is nitpicking. Grandfather under 90 years old, of course, he simply meant the position.
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              Quote: Arzt
              This is nitpicking

              The devil in the details.
              Quote: Arzt
              Grandfather under 90 years old,

              That's it.
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                The devil in the details.

                Come on you. Can you recall the first 5 questions of your first profile?

                There will be time, see the full, almost 3-hour version of his survey.
                It’s impossible to come up with.
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                  Quote: Arzt
                  Can you recall the first 5 questions of your first profile?

                  I can not. Therefore, I will answer a similar question, I do not remember.
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                    I can not. Therefore, I will answer a similar question, I do not remember.

                    Well, if Tokarev says that Polish prisoners were asked for a PLACE of WORK (1,55min), then there are no more questions ..


                    W. Churchill "The Second World War".
                    "As a result of further Nazi-Soviet agreements, many
                    of which were transferred to the Germans for use in forced labor. According to the Geneva Convention, prisoners of war cannot be treated like that, and among the 14500 Poles who were in the hands of the Soviets in three camps in the Smolensk region, there were 8 officers. A significant part of these officers belonged to the Polish intelligentsia - university professors, engineers and prominent citizens who were mobilized as reservists. "


                    M.Semiryaga "Crime in Katyn".
                    “In these three special camps, according to the data of the NKVD archive discovered by N. S. Lebedeva, 1 8 officers, including 348 generals (including 12 personnel), 2 majors (567 personnel), were registered through the 356st special department of the NKVD 1 captains (534 personnel), 936 lieutenants (1 personnel), 830 other officers (480 personnel), 4 chaplains. "


                    There, most were civilians, called up from the reserve during the war. Maybe that's why they asked who worked.

                    Remembers grandfather.
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                      Quote: Arzt
                      There, most were civilians, called up from the reserve during the war.

                      And were these civilians in suits or uniforms?
                      Teachers were also called up to the war and given them uniforms. When they were captured by the Germans they were asked the part number, and not who was in civilian life.
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                        When they were captured by the Germans they were asked the part number, and not who was in civilian life.

                        In our case, not getting captured. The part number is no longer important. The occupation is important here, while the most notorious were selected for execution. Barchukov, intellectuals, priests, ardent anti-Soviet officers.
                        But suddenly his own hesitated. Proletarian. Not good...
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      is logical. and if it’s even trickier and he knowing what they learn did at all so that would confuse everything? ))) Who the heck did this conspiracy theories rest?))) Goebbels, of course, knew that after they lost the war and in a few decades, the Russians would have to be blamed for something)
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        Goebbels, of course, knew that after they lost the war

        In February 1943? You underestimate Goebbels. He defended his doctorate at the University of Heidelberg.
        But these are trifles.
        Do you know a lot of people who are capable of killing themselves, their wife and their six children for the sake of the idea?
        He could.
        Goebbels was a Nazi abruptly Hitler. He did not even think of any lost war in February 1943.
    3. sidoroff 25 February 2020 20: 11 New
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      if the Germans were to shoot, it would be full of shells from the Mauser 98k rifle, 9mm Luger. not from
      small-caliber (also shells
      6.35mm come across) generals farting. massive
      executions are work, not
      pleasure.
      1. Doctor 25 February 2020 20: 21 New
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        if the Germans were to shoot, it would be full of shells from the Mauser 98k rifle, 9mm Luger. not from
        small-caliber (also shells
        6.35mm come across) generals farting. massive
        executions are work, not
        pleasure.

        It would be just shot.
        But we are also told about falsification. Thoughtful, modeled in such a way as to blame the Soviets.
        How could the Germans not take into account such evidence as a murder weapon?
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          if there was a need to "model" with one corpse, okay - with a dozen, but with 10 thousand?
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            if there was a need to "model" with one corpse, okay - with a dozen, but with 10 thousand?

            So I am about the same.
        2. Romka47 26 February 2020 16: 01 New
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          How could the Germans not take into account such evidence as a murder weapon? Themselves at the top said that the superman Goebbels at that time (we assume that the Germans had already shot during the Second World War and why they "messed" with bullets / shells) was sure of the victory of the Wehrmacht, it is logical that they would not have given any expertise to any bullets and exhumations? (and it wouldn’t be in the form that now neither the Poles nor us). It is just logical to drive a wedge at that moment in time, to sound about the NKVD, and it is without special evidence. Their logic was (could be) this: in the end we will win, nobody will believe all the words and will not look at the trunks, if we lose, then they (the Germans) will not give a damn about these psheks or advice, after the concentration camps this already does not matter .
          1. Doctor 26 February 2020 16: 13 New
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            is it logical that they would not give any expertise to any bullets and exhumations?

            That is, you want to say that at first the Germans simply shot the Poles and did not plan a hoax? And then they decided to exhume and attribute the NKVD?
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              No, I don’t want to say this, I answered the question "How could the Germans not take into account such evidence as a murder weapon?", more precisely, gave a viable version.
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        Quote: sidoroff
        if the Germans were to shoot, it would be full of shells from the Mauser 98k rifle, 9mm Luger.

        But do not allow the possibility that the Germans then gathered them?
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          But do not allow the possibility that the Germans then gathered them?

          What if they don’t find a couple of dozen? After all, there are more than 4 thousand ...
          But that's not the point. Those who say they shot the Germans claim they did it on purpose to blame the USSR. That is, they were falsified.

          Imagine - you are the CC Sturmbanfuhrer. Goebbels calls you and instructs a secret mission - to shoot several thousand Poles and do it in such a way that they thought on the NKVD.
          Your actions?
          I see it like that. We are going to a concentration camp, recruiting Poles (of those who were recaptured in 1941 on the territory of the USSR), driving to Smolensk, to the place where, according to local rumors, the NKVD worked.
          We execute it, process it with a solution to age. From personnel TT. Service cartridges. Bullets in corpses. We forget the sleeves in the pit, a couple - three clips, you can also use a pistol (confiscated from a captive special officer in 1941), two dozen empty bottles from under the "capital" with the correct dates on the labels, a cap with a raspberry cap. Sprinkle with earth, in a couple of months we call the Red Cross.
          Is it logical
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            Alf 25 February 2020 21: 48 New
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            Quote: Arzt
            Is it logical

            In places.
            Quote: Arzt
            it is possible and a pistol (confiscated in 1941 from a captive special officer)

            The executioner officer lost a gun somewhere. It’s ridiculous.
            Quote: Arzt
            cap with a raspberry peg.

            "Lieutenant Ivanov, where is your cap? Damn it, Comrade Senior Major, she must have rolled into the pit during the execution. Yes? Well, to hell with her." Even funnier.
            And one more "proof" note. Vasya was here.
            You ask how the Germans conducted the exhumation. When selected representatives were shown separate corpses, not allowing them to do ANYTHING with the corpses. Yes, in such conditions, Poles can be resolved with bullets from muskets, no one will check. And kapron ropes from there too.
            And in the photo from the book I cited, pay attention to the top of the right column about the "suddenly revived" Poles.
            1. Doctor 25 February 2020 21: 52 New
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              The executioner officer lost a gun somewhere. It’s ridiculous. "Lieutenant Ivanov, where is your cap?

              I certainly exaggerate. But the sleeves from the Walters would definitely not be there. And kapron ropes of German production, too. The Germans knew a lot about hoaxes.
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              And in the photo from the book I cited, pay attention to the top of the right column about the "suddenly revived" Poles.

              The opposite is true. Not about those who came to life, but about those who disappeared.
              After June 22, 1941, the USSR was forced to reconsider relations with the Allies. Including with the Polish government in London. The formation of Anders' army began, the captured Poles were released, but 8 were missing. And when the Germans exhumed the graves, some of the corpses were still suitable for identification. And it turned out that this those who were captured by us.

              TELEGRAM OF THE AMBASSADOR OF THE USSR TO THE UNION GOVERNMENTS IN LONDON A.E. Bogomolova in the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the USSR
              April 21, 1943 Sov.secret
              Today received the following personal note from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs signed by Raczynski ...
              ... Mr. Ambassador, foreign telegraph agencies published a report from the German military authorities about the discovery of a common grave with the corpses of Polish officers in the vicinity of Smolensk, near the village of Koziagora, as if they had been killed in the spring of 1940. In the very first days, 155 dead bodies were identified, among which was the ashes of the brigade general Mechislav Smoravinsky ...


              Do you understand what the trick is? Horseradish with them with sleeves from the Walthers, but how did the corpses of the Poles who were captured with us get there? After all, the rest who remained alive communicated with them?

              From the very beginning, the Poles knew exactly who was shooting.
      3. meandr51 25 February 2020 22: 07 New
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        Pistol cartridges are cheaper than rifle cartridges. The Germans were always very economical. If they immediately wanted to put the blame on the NKVD, they would shoot from mosin, DP and Nagans. Fortunately, they seized this good in the 41st abound. But the idea to quarrel the Poles with the Russians came to Goebbels only when their blitzkrieg collapsed and the retreat began. If the Nazis defeated the USSR, then they would have no idea to hide or falsify anything. They were not at all embarrassed of their attitude towards the “untermanes,” including Poles.
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          in 41, the Germans shot tens of thousands of prisoners of war, civilians .. about the expense during the fighting - it’s better
          do not remember at all. and they decided to save on Polish officers.
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            This corresponds to the cliches of their thinking: to strictly save where the situation does not affect the war. In any case, neither the Germans in the 41st, nor the USSR in the 40th had any sense and desire to hide something from someone when dealing with prisoners of war and stoop to falsifications. The USSR used the Poles as a manpower at the front, partly armed and sent to the Middle East at their request. Why shoot them? Only a small part of the Polish war criminals guilty of the genocide of the Baltic, Belarusian and Ukrainian populations were tried and punished. A hackneyed record representing the leadership of the Union with stupid bloody maniacs was suitable for the population in the early 90s, now it only causes a smile.
  • Thomas the Unbelieving 25 February 2020 19: 23 New
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    The Polish leadership (not the people!) Are playing the Russophobic game. We paid with the weak and returned to the European Parliament, received in the face. Therefore, I want to remind you how during the Patriotic War the Union reacted to the tricks of the Polish government. I quote a document from "Correspondence of the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR with the Presidents of the USA and the Prime Ministers of Great Britain during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945." Volume 2, Gospolitizdat, M, 1957.
    I am sure that these documents of correspondence between allies at this level cannot contain false facts. So:
    Katyn affair.
    80
    PERSONAL AND SECRET MESSAGE
    PREMIER I.V. STALIN
    TO THE PRESIDENT Mr. FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
    The behavior of the Polish Government in relation to the USSR recently Soviet
    The government considers it completely abnormal to violate all the rules and norms in the relations between the two union states. The slanderous campaign launched by the German fascists against the Soviet Union
    about the same killed Polish officers in the Smolensk region, in the occupied
    German territory troops, was immediately picked up by the government of Sikorski and strongly ignited by the Polish official seal. The Sikorsky government not only did not resist vile fascist slander against the USSR, but did not even consider it necessary to turn to the Soviet Government with any questions or for clarifications on this subject. The Hitlerite authorities, having committed a monstrous crime against Polish officers, play an investigative comedy, in which they staged some of the Polish pro-fascist elements selected by themselves from occupied Poland, where everything is under Hitler’s heel and where an honest Pole cannot speak his word openly. For the "investigation" involved both the Sikorsky Government and the Hitler Government, the International Red Cross, which is forced into
    the terrorist regime with its gallows and mass extermination, civilians take part in this investigative comedy, directed by Hitler. It is clear that such an “investigation”, carried out, moreover, behind the back of the Soviet Government, cannot arouse the trust of any honest people. The fact that the hostile campaign against the Soviet Union was launched simultaneously in the German and Polish press and is conducted in the same way - this fact leaves no doubt that there is contact and conspiracy between the enemy of the allies - Hitler and the government of Sikorsky conducting this hostile campaign. While the peoples of the Soviet Union, shedding blood in a difficult struggle with Hitler Germany, exert all their strength to defeat the common enemy of freedom-loving democratic countries, the city of Sikorsky, in favor of Hitler's tyranny, inflicts a treacherous blow on the Soviet Union.
    All these circumstances compel the Soviet Government to admit that the current Polish government, having rolled down the path of conspiracy with the Hitler government, has actually ceased allied relations with the USSR and has taken the position of hostile relations to the Soviet Union.
    On the basis of all this, the Soviet Government came to the conclusion that it was necessary to break off relations with this government. I consider it necessary to inform you of the foregoing and I hope that the US Government will understand the necessity of this forced step of the Soviet Government.
    21 April 1943 of the year.
  • cniza 25 February 2020 19: 52 New
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    The “official confession of guilt of the USSR,” concocted and announced in the days of Gorbachev, is the essence of the link in the endless chain of his betrayals of the country and deliberate acts aimed at its destruction. The final point in the Katyn case, alas, will not be set for a very long time. It is easy to give birth to lies with a certain effort. Destroy is much more difficult.


    For a long time we will hiccup from the deeds of this ruler ...
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    The “official confession of guilt of the USSR,” concocted and announced in the days of Gorbachev, is the essence of the link in the endless chain of his betrayals of the country and deliberate acts aimed at its destruction. The final point in the Katyn case, alas, will not be set for a very long time. It is easy to give birth to lies with a certain effort. Destroy is much more difficult.
    To refute the lie confirmed by the leadership of the USSR in the person of its last president is not a real thing.
    This lie is beneficial to everyone except us.

    But is Gorbachev still alive?
    And if he repents and explains WHY he did this, then it will help us at least.
    And let him not survive how QUESTIONS will be asked to him.
    I will continue to live with this, grieving.
  • 75 Sergey 25 February 2020 20: 30 New
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    It's time to raise this issue!
    With the exhumation and the sending of depersonalized remains, and at the same time the remains of convicts, who were shot by sentence for crimes.
    And having received 5 6 samples, let them establish who and when, and then compare.
    The hunchback needed for self-flagellation for democracy, and the EBN was sober.
    , the Nazis said, but we picked up!
    And when will we create a memorial, on the territory of Poland, to hundreds of thousands of tortured Red Army men ?!
    What wild not justice?
    1. parusnik 25 February 2020 21: 19 New
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      And when will we create a memorial, on the territory of Poland, to hundreds of thousands of tortured Red Army men ?!
      .... Never ... Russia is now interested in white whites and the heroes of the white movement ... But the Red Army is so ... almost fought against their own ... White Poles .. as they were once called ..
  • Aviator_ 25 February 2020 20: 46 New
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    It is strange that no one mentioned the Katyn Detective Yu.I. Mukhina, 1998 edition, where all Goebbels' arguments "and Tokarev's answers are thoroughly and maliciously disassembled.
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      Quote: Aviator_
      It is strange that no one mentioned the Katyn Detective Yu.I. Mukhina,

      This will ruin the whole "picture". SAM repented, which means that it is so.
    2. Jarserge 25 February 2020 21: 11 New
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      "Katyn Detective" brochure, the first attempt by Yuri Mukhin. Then came a more complete publication "Anti-Russian meanness"
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        Yes, then he disassembled it more and more carefully, but the second option is more difficult to read, the first is shorter and reads in one go. In general, after the “documents” of 1940, which mention the CPSU, German cartridges, and paper twine, which were not produced in the USSR in the pre-war period, the question can be closed immediately and forever. However, the political --------------- rule.
  • Jarserge 25 February 2020 21: 10 New
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    Yuri Mukhin in his book "Anti-Russian villainy" has long put everything on the shelves, not every current investigator will carry out such work. Poles invited him to a meeting of his parliament. His performance there produced the effect of an “exploding bomb”, but alas, they “bark” as before.
  • parusnik 25 February 2020 21: 16 New
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    As far back as 1940, the NKVD knew that the Germans would reach Smolensk and shot the Poles with German weapons ... to substitute the Germans .. and another version of the Burdenko commission worked in three shifts, picking out Soviet-made cartridges from the corpses and inserting German .... laughing
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      And she brought bullet holes in the heads of those shot to a diameter corresponding to German weapons. And then they poured shot German cartridges
      1. Reptiloid 26 February 2020 16: 54 New
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        Quote: Aviator_
        And she brought bullet holes in the heads of those shot to a diameter corresponding to German weapons. And then they poured shot German cartridges

        So what? Left-handed flea shoe, even when it was ...
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          Of course it was - handmade - to adjust the holes in the turtles with a file
    2. Reptiloid 26 February 2020 16: 50 New
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      ....... Burdenko commission worked in three shifts, picking out Soviet-made cartridges from the corpses and inserting German .... laughing
      Jewelry work!
  • meandr51 25 February 2020 21: 53 New
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    A number of Polish officers were indeed convicted by a military tribunal and executed. Strictly for the cause, for war crimes against the civilian population captured by the Sov. Russia in 1920 territories. They led genocide there.
    And the first to vote against Polish-fascist propaganda was Yu.I. Mukhin: "Katyn Detective" (1995) and "Anti-Russian Meanness" (2003). After the first book was sent to the Polish embassy, ​​Poland withdrew the official compensation requirements for relatives, leaving a propaganda hype.
  • Was mammoth 25 February 2020 22: 24 New
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    That's it! It's time to close this topic and the Poles firmly explain it. Enough!

    To do this, at least once again the Duma needs to be assembled. How? Not weak Vladimir Vladimirovich. Without this, the point cannot be reached.
    1. Jarserge 26 February 2020 09: 21 New
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      If you collect the Duma, then the next step is called bad people (at least) Gorbachev and Yeltsin, because they are smeared with criminal participation or non-participation from head to toe in this unclean story. And the current government doesn’t like Pachemut to do this.
      1. Reptiloid 26 February 2020 17: 03 New
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        Pachemuta, speak? If at least some business of this couple is officially recognized as treacherous and illegal, then the thread will stretch to other matters further and more ....... am am
        And it will reach the illegality of the current ....
        So a bear friend took it and declared the USSR illegal ((or illegal ??)) And why would it? If you didn’t ask? Does the earth burn underfoot? Or show yourself to someone?
        Quote: Jarserge
        If you collect the Duma, then the next step is called bad people (at least) Gorbachev and Yeltsin, because they are smeared with criminal participation or non-participation from head to toe in this unclean story. And the current government doesn’t like Pachemut to do this.
        1. Jarserge 27 February 2020 12: 34 New
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          The current government is trying to sit on several chairs, ideologically. And it doesn’t happen, as one lady character said, is pregnant or not. So it is here. If they don’t decide on ideology, then alas, they won’t live for a long time, they will gobble up, despite fairly competent maneuvering. And if they decide then it turns out which of these characters is a hero and who is not. But the people will not understand. So they spin like in a frying pan
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            I don’t agree
            Quote: Jarserge
            The current government is trying to sit on several chairs, ideologically. And it doesn’t happen, as one lady character said, is pregnant or not. So it is here. If they don’t decide on ideology, then alas, they won’t live for a long time, they will gobble up, despite fairly competent maneuvering. And if they decide then it turns out which of these characters is a hero and who is not. But the people will not understand. So they spin like in a frying pan
            ideology has long been decided, Yeltsin is the center of the simplest example, and bonuses to former presidents, and NGOs, sl, ova, negative confirming the creation of estates and their consolidation ..... and I want to shout ---- we are our own, bvzhuinsky !!!!! ... Only sometimes the instinct of self-preservation shouts ----- it is necessary to be silent! am Then wagging begins, like a Markitan boat
            1. Jarserge 27 February 2020 14: 12 New
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              I think Yeltsin's center and support all the time "for the elbow" of Psyusha Sobchak is a tribute to youth and dead people, which speaks of the decency of the president. But what will such equivocations lead to in such a precarious situation? Clearly, there’s nothing good. Will have to ".. either wear a cross or take off his panties ..." There is no third.
              1. Reptiloid 27 February 2020 19: 58 New
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                Decency, in my opinion, is a human quality. The category of humanoid races. laughing lol
                And politicians ---- they should not be humanoids, humanly. request
                And they don’t happen. Retirement age is an example
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                  I agree. About it i.e. Georgy Klimov wrote well about politicians (their mental health and qualities that they need) in the book "Prince of this world." In fact, a terrible book
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                    I will familiarize myself with the book. Thank. hi
  • Nikolai Korovin 26 February 2020 00: 14 New
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    The Polish Red Cross and the London Poles happily seized on this matter, which was the reason for Stalin's subsequent refusal to resolve the issue of the participation of the London Poles in the Lublin government. And they tried not only to argue with the Poles - that’s what these barbarians are doing with the Europeans. The number of Wehrmacht volunteers from formally neutral countries has increased dramatically, but especially, of course, Poles. And at the Nuremberg trials, three witnesses were summoned for this episode, including from the German side, Oberst Lieutenant Arnes (that is, Lieutenant Colonel) (or Arens? Forgotten), to whom the Soviet side, in fact, incriminated the leadership of these acts, and he assured - No, we didn’t do anything like that. My unit had completely different tasks. And the episode from the general list of crimes of the Nazi invaders was excluded by the tribunal. Well, we didn’t hear anything about any Katyn in the 60s and 70s, but in the West, meanwhile, we studied the issue with might and main. The most original version was given by the investigation of the American Senate - that Polish officers were supposedly loaded onto a barge and drowned in the White Sea. Why they got this is not clear. Well, we tried to forget about this version.
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    And also, in the city of Novgorod - Volynsky (Western Ukraine)

    This is not Western Ukraine, but Western Volhynia (Lodomeria)
  • sen
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    Katyn is a German provocation. The Russians had something to take revenge on Poland for, it is enough to recall history, but this is not in our rules.
    For example, there was an article in Trud N43 dated 06.03.01/75/80. For the war with Poland, Trotsky mobilized XNUMX thousand Russian peasants. Not trained, not dressed and poorly armed, they were immediately thrown into battle.
    Their fate is officially unknown. The Polish side said that they were taken prisoner and all as one died from illness within about 3 years. But given that Poland did not need prisoners at all, much less Russians, the USSR suggested that the Poles did not take Russian prisoners. However, it has always been so. According to the memoirs of the French, when Poland fought on the side of Napoleon, the Poles chopped, slaughtered Russian prisoners of war on the spot.
  • Basarev 26 February 2020 06: 25 New
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    This is not even Germanic work. It would be closer to the Germans to throw prisoners into camps. Such a massacre is much closer in spirit to Ukrainian nationalists.
  • Jurkovs 26 February 2020 07: 28 New
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    Gorbachev committed a thousand petty betrayals of his people. For each of them we will tire of tired. And after his death, this will be done and not at all simple. In short, while the head is alive, he must be judged, and thereby level all his meannesses.
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      In short, while the head is alive, he must be judged, and thereby level all his meannesses.

      Who will judge? This ?

      And who is THIS? And he is a simple chair warmer, who cannot even take a step without the order of the One who cannot be called.
  • nikvic46 26 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    We often react violently to every squeak, both on networks and on television. And they are happy. They don’t want to listen to them at home. But they heard here. For some time now we are already used to making excuses. What about politics, what about gas. And I have never seen our lawsuit. What have they no violations? I do not believe.
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    In support of the article .. Why should the Germans attend to the remains of the "Poles" if they could not hide their atrocities plainly? German ammunition? An elementary substitution in which the demshiz believes. Suffering from the absence of elementary logic
  • Pavel57 26 February 2020 09: 51 New
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    The KGB officers who made these written fakes specifically left markers - this is a fake.
  • place 26 February 2020 13: 45 New
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    The main problem is the complete indifference of society to spitting, grandiose humiliations and instructive kicks with an admixture of "sympathy" for the disabled oppressed by anyone. Societies that are already experimenting with, like rabbits or mice. They are searching for the limit of patience - and joyful results are obtained showing that THESE can be crushed, crushed and crushed again as you like, until it is smeared with a thin layer.
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    “It is easy to make a lie with a certain effort. To destroy is much more difficult." - Is there a desire to destroy?
  • Yury Siritsky 26 February 2020 14: 26 New
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    Those who started this whole story are the so-called Communists Yakovlev and Gorbachev. All this camarilla repented before the West, pounding its chest with its fist. !
  • akunin 26 February 2020 15: 20 New
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    even if all the Poles were shot, then I don’t see any more stupidity than to admit it
    The shooting of the Poles in Katyn has long been the subject of fierce debate in Soviet and Russian society and has become one of the reasons for the difficult relations between Poland and Russia. ... For the first time, the USSR recognized responsibility for Katyn in 1990. President of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev. Vladimir Putin, who served as head of state from 2000 to 2008, in 2002 laid flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, where Katyn’s land from the place of execution was located. The president promised to conduct a thorough investigation into the circumstances of the tragedy.
    but what about the fact that an investigation into the death of our prisoners of war in Polish captivity in the Polish-Soviet war?
  • ee2100 26 February 2020 17: 13 New
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    Just read
    https://politics.d3.ru/poslednii-boi-veterana-1932128/?sorting=rating
  • Goldmitro 26 February 2020 17: 25 New
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    But then even more interesting. Discrepancies that make you think - like from a cornucopia.

    Because it's early hunchback judaswho urgently needed to show something to the West to show him his new thinking and increase your rating!
  • anjey 26 February 2020 18: 01 New
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    Katyn is a colossal provocation of the Third Reich,
    Dr. Goebbels can rejoice, he has many good students in the West who today in their lying opuses with the help of the USSR unleashed a war in Europe and then occupied it, with the help of Russia attacked poor Ukraine, shot down Boeing, attacked Syria, false historians and punishers of truth have accumulated at least a dime a dozen ... For some, historical lies have become a political business.
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    When this labeled one comes, I’ll come and posse to his grave. Moder - you can put in an eternal ban
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    Investigate and make the position official.
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    In response, the Poles must be presented with the genocide of the Russian people in pre-Petrine times .. For the Polish-Lithuanian intervention in 1610 .. Susanin is a witness to this.
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    When Humpback dies, the devils in Hell will get drunk with joy ...!
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    the author is lying unashamedly. Bravo. The statue of Goebels deserved.