Russian aircraft returned to low combat heights in Syria

After the aggravation of the situation in northwestern Syria, the acute dissatisfaction of Ankara with the successful offensive of Damascus and the emergence of information about the spread of MANPADS among jihadists, a change in tactics was noted aviation VCS.

Recently, strikes by Russian bombers have been recorded from a height that impedes the effective use of man-portable air defense systems. So, there is evidence that when trying to destroy the Su-24, he was 5 km from the surface of the earth.

However, now there is evidence of the use of Su-25 attack aircraft. These vehicles are not able to adequately hit the ground forces of the enemy from a great height. In this regard, they enter the battle formations of the enemy from low altitude. The specifics of the use of attack aircraft exposes them to increased danger, especially in conditions of widespread use of aviation weapons among militants.

As can be assumed, the decision to attract the Su-25 to strike at Nairab was caused by the transfer of Turkey to the conflict zone of anti-aircraft systems with an increased (in comparison with MANPADS) range. With their appearance, a potential threat loomed over all types of combat aircraft. Under these conditions, the stormtroopers may not have made sense to "sit out" at the base and they were returned to business.

Comments

[anjey]

Spring has come, the Rooks have arrived !!! In one word, "oil painting in Syria" based on Savrasov.

[kapitan92]

Quote: anjey

,"The Rooks Have Arrived!!!

[bessmertniy]

There is something for the Rooks to eat in Idlib!

[bayard]

Gorgeous clip!
Especially on the Day of the Defender of the beloved Fatherland!

[RideMaster]

Urrapatriots are insane. It is written what and how. Perhaps there will be dead pilots.
We don’t have to see in the normal number of calibers or something like jaesem that the Americans rivet like pies. Otherwise, how to explain the risk to pilots instead of missiles more expensive.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: RideMaster

It is written what and how.

honestly, this is just the author’s speculation in the article !!
PS ... but it is necessary to crush igilists in compliance with all precautions - there is no doubt in this !!!

[Spektr]

I think the article is provocative. I think that decisions on the destruction of barmalei will be made taking into account the risk and the latest incident with MANPADS. It seems that Perdogan will not calm down until he is curtailed Faberge.

[Magog]

I believe that the operation in Idlib was calculated by the General Staffs of the SAA and the Russian Army (How else?). The possible use of the Su-25 of the Russian Aerospace Forces with the Vitebsk-25 complexes is also from a number of calculated options (see comments below). So, let's see here. Of course, this novelty of electronic warfare must be tried with due caution until pilots have confidence in the effectiveness of this protection. And not to allow adversaries of all stripes to experiment on the battlefield with means of overcoming this type of electronic warfare, i.e., Su-shki are working in the final phase of the Idlib operation, which should not drag on.

[spectr]

Rather a necessary measure. Turks climbed in. And in order not to accidentally crush them and not provoke the beginning of hostilities between the Russian Federation and Turkey, our VKS were forced to go to low altitudes with the risk of losses.

[anjey]

The pubesians are insane and pessimists from the "word at all", if you do not believe in Victory, do not get into a fight ... There is no need to grumble, especially on February 23 !!!

[Cyrus]

And of course you will sit out in the rear, in principle, as cowardly balabolas usually do.

[anjey]

You know my dear, if the Motherland invited me to hide, I didn’t run, just to be useful and necessary for the Motherland and to be aware of my contribution to the firm and clear policy and strategy of my country ...

[anjey]

Aren't you a balabol? Brave and bloodthirsty, like that king Kurush ??? whose head the Scythians drank their own blood in a wineskin ??? I will not say anything about the fan of children's fiction ...

[yang174]

unfortunately this is war, and such a job!
and iron people like Peshkov, Nurbagandov and such as they are!

[yang174]

even someone does not agree What is such work, to defend the homeland?

[Grits]

It was just a flock of Zion Witnesses

[Xenofont]

These are just normal people have not yet turned on because of the early time, here are the enemies and are rampant unrequited.

[Grits]

Quote: Xenofont

These are just normal people haven’t turned on yet because of the early time.

Well, it depends on where. Are we here, in the Far East, already thinking - stop or still go?

[anjey]

The sons of David they are, their ancient anger was born earlier than they .

[SSR]

Quote: RideMaster

We don’t have to see in the normal number of calibers or something like jaesem that the Americans rivet like pies.

Please tell us more.
1. How many riveted cruise missiles in the United States.
2. For what purposes this type of weapon is used.
Here from the Internet.

Question to the experts.

A total of 7302 CR Tomahawk were produced.

Industry can produce 150-160 per year.

https://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/637505&full

a threat loomed over all types of combat aircraft. Under these conditions, the stormtroopers may not have made sense to “sit out” at the base and they were returned to business.

Everything is at risk, and advisers and tankers, and generally based on the results of the previous ones, should have been amended in the actions of the Armed Forces.

[Xenofont]

Yes that's right. A few years since the factory was built from scratch, where in 3 shifts rivets of all kinds gauges! This current is not known to the defeatists.

[anjey]

For interest, I looked at the old comments of this "rider master", He, over and over again in different topics, mentions our lack of Calibers, as if the light came together like a wedge on these Calibers, this is some kind of fix idea, apparently in early childhood, in a maternity hospital not calibrated correctly

[yang174]

they rub him Faberge

[sivuch]

And what kind of jaesm are these? Maybe they mean SDB-1 and SDB-2? In principle, there is a UAB with satellite navigation, but for some reason the Russian Ministry of Defense does not want to have bombs with a caliber of less than 250 kilos, although there are no technical problems

[figwam]

Here, apparently, the point is this. For a new modification of the Su-25SM3, under the wing, containers of the active jamming station of the Vitebsk-25 defense complex were installed.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

Here, apparently, the point is this. For a new modification of the Su-25SM3, under the wing, containers of the active jamming station of the Vitebsk-25 defense complex were installed.

So what??? Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?
How many such modernized sides in Syria? Do you have official data?

The only thing that will give a real effect is the suppression of enemy air defense. it is from this that any operation involving aviation begins. Fortunately, the Patriots will have to transfer to the border itself to cover Idlib - their range is not more than 90 km along a target flying at an average height.

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

So what??? Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?

For this he was created. There is no such system on the Su-24M2, it is more vulnerable to air defense.

Quote: Gregory_45

How many such modernized sides in Syria? Do you have official data?

How many sides in Syria is a military secret, but the fact that they are there is for sure, here is a photo from Syria 2018, under the wing of the blocks of Vitebsk-25.

Quote: Gregory_45

The only thing that will give a real effect is the suppression of enemy air defense. it is from this that any operation involving aviation begins.

Turkey’s air defense is on its territory, then it is necessary to start a war with Turkey.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Gregory_45
So what??? Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?

For this he was created.

do you read carefully?

Quote: Gregory_45

Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?

I repeat the question: guarantees, at 100%, that the plane will not be hit by missiles ???
In addition to missiles, for your information, barmaley full of MZA.

Quote: figvam

Turkey’s air defense is on its territory, then it is necessary to start a war with Turkey.

what for? Drop DRG, let the guys work quietly and quietly

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

I repeat the question: guarantees, at 100%, that the plane will not be hit by missiles ???

For those who repeat in an armored train.
Vitebsk is a Russian electronic warfare system for the individual protection of aircraft. Protection is carried out by staging optical and radio-electronic interference. The main element of "Vitebsk" is a digital active jamming station, it "presses" the signal of the enemy radar in a wider frequency range. In addition to the CSAP, the complex includes a missile defense system with a thermal homing head (TGSN). Such a system is installed on government aircraft called "President-S".

Quote: Gregory_45

what for? Drop DRG, let the guys work quietly and quietly

It's good that you do not command our troops in Syria.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

For those who repeat in an armored train.

and I will repeat for those who are in a tank with tightly welded hatches: none of the defensive systems (whether Vitebsk or something else) guarantee the non-defeat of aircraft, they only reduce the likelihood of this unpleasant event. And MZA is not saved from the word at all from the fire.
Therefore, losses when operating from low altitudes are likely.

Quote: figvam

It's good that you do not command our troops in Syria.

and it’s very wonderful that you too. Only a criminal can send aircraft to attack without suppressing air defense (or not trying to suppress it)

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

And MZA is not saved from the word at all from the fire.

You saw a lot of shot down planes from MZA, right not one.

Quote: Gregory_45

Only a criminal can send aircraft to attack without suppressing air defense (or not trying to suppress it)

Once again, air defense is located in Turkey and was not used on our aircraft !!! In Syria, the Turks used only MANPADS.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

You saw a lot of shot down aircraft from MZA

shot down the barmaley in the SAR by planes and helicopters (Syrian) from the MZA. A "dull" projectile does not care what kind of BKO you have installed on board. In addition, the ability of the BKO to adequately respond to explosive and missile defense missiles with multispectral heads (such as the newest Stingers, Sidewinders, Verba) has not been confirmed
And again, for those who believe in fairy tales: not a single BCO in the world will give 100% protection.

Quote: figvam

Air defense is located in Turkey and was not used on our aircraft !!! In Syria, the Turks used only MANPADS.

MANPADS - not air defense system ??? And now the planes will go on small - i.e. in the area of ​​responsibility are just MANPADS and MZA.

P.S. Pull up the materiel)

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

shot down barmalei in the SAR planes and helicopters (Syrian) from MZA.

Shot down from MANPADS.

Quote: Gregory_45

In addition, the ability of BKO to adequately respond to explosives and missiles, with multispectral heads (such as the latest Stingers, Sidewinders, Willows) has not been confirmed

Who is not confirmed by you? This is the latest system designed to combat just taking into account the characteristics of all possible thermal and radar missiles.

Quote: Gregory_45

MANPADS - not air defense ???

You wrote that you first need to suppress air defense, how you were going to suppress MANPADS, this is a passive portable system which any trained infantryman can use, it is impossible to suppress it in advance.
So the mat. part is your weakness.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

Shot down from MANPADS.

shot down from everything that could shoot at an aircraft - from MANPADS, ATGMs, MZA

Quote: figvam

Who is not confirmed by you?

BKO indicated by you was tested on Arrows and Needles

Quote: figvam

This is the latest system designed to combat just taking into account the characteristics of all possible thermal and radar missiles.

BKO only increases the aircraft's chances of surviving, it is not a miraculous "impenetrable umbrella". When you understand this, you will understand everything else.

Quote: figvam

You wrote that you first need to suppress anti-aircraft defense, how you were going to suppress MANPADS

Oh, so you are not yet trained to read? Then I explain: if the enemy has a long-range / medium-range air defense system, they must be crushed. If this is not done, aviation will have to snuggle up to the ground, falling under the fire of MANPADS and MZA. Is it clear now?

And, for your information, all MANPADS are related to air defense and air defense systems.

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

Then I explain: if the enemy has a long-range / medium-range air defense system, they must be crushed.

Is your Russian not native? What air defense are you going to suppress? I repeat the third time to you that the air defense is located on the territory of Turkey and was not used on our and Syrian aircraft !!! A MANPADS located in Syria is not possible to suppress.

[Alexey G]

Do not quarrel! In any case, war does not happen without losses! BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THAT THE LOSS BORN HEROES, THAT IS THOSE ON WHICH OUR YOUNG GUYS WILL BE ORIENTED, WHICH NOT THE WATERMELONES DRIVE, AS WAS SINGED, AND BATTLE AIRPLANES IN THE CLIP! TAKE THEIR SKIES AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO FLY AND YES TO RISK ALSO, AND WHAT WILL REMAIN? AND WHERE DO HEROISM TAKE AT ALL? And FROM THE FAMOUS PROFESSIONALISM SONGS DO NOT FOLD! NO RISK OF HEROISM!
AS ONE PHILOSOPHER SAID: WAR IS NOT WHEN YOU CAN KILL SOMEBODY, BUT WHEN YOU RISK YOURSELF TO BE KILLED. THIS FIRST KILLING, SECOND WAR, FIGHT, BATTLE ...

[yang174]

you argue from scratch.

https://countrymeters.info/ru/Russian_Federation

if you are fighting, then there will be losses. just the adequacy and max caution. but the losses will be UNDERSTANDING!
cynical? damn well .... acceptable losses or not. and in whose opinion ... for me there’s one victim, a tragedy. but for statistics I’m afraid a couple of hundred thousand trifles

[aiden]

So they are our DRG there. The internet is full of video. Yes, and someone gives target designation to astronauts to create craters

[Orkraider]

I repeat the question: guarantees, at 100%, that the plane will not be hit by missiles ???

There is a good quote:

“There are no guarantees in this world, only opportunities.” - Douglas MacArthur

The main threat is the barmalei with MANPADS, but tracking them is unlikely. Therefore, no one can give you 100% guarantee that in the attack area there will be no threat from MANPADS, he will not be able to give .. but the tasks must be completed.

[V.I.P.]

So foreigners use various UABs (drop range 120 km for a stationary target and 60-80 for a moving one). So they don't risk pilots ..... We don't have UABs in service. Only KAB and that is not enough ... On and on exhibitions UABs carry even loitering ammunition. Yes, only everyone in the world has been using them for a long time, and not on TV and exhibitions ... That's why the "rooks" have to fly)))

[Xenofont]

Don’t make me funny ... You don’t have any UABs, that's for sure. And the airspace system is full, only they do not use space, but for individual MANPADS operators.

[V.I.P.]

Well, what kind of UAB is in service in the Russian Federation ???? ...... …… "Drill" which is at exhibitions and tests. It is not in service. Here are the characteristics of this experimental bomb - it has three modifications. One of them is a rocket (9-A-7759), equipped with a solid fuel engine and having a range of 120 km. The other two (9-A1-7759 and 9-A2-7759) are glide bombs with a range of 65 km. This, of course, is less than that of the CBU-39, but it is a record figure for Russian ammunition of this type ....

[V.I.P.]

CABs that are armed with need lighting .. That's why our spotters in Syria climbed to the rear and periodically died. Now, whether for Krasnopol, or for CABs, backlighting from a drone is used ... And what is their reset range? If the plane flies over the discharge site entering the NEAR air defense zone and the militants shoot at them from MANPADS ..... We need ammunition with a normal discharge range so that people would not risk in vain!

[Xenofont]

And what does the discharge height of 6 thousand meters do not suit you? They will not get MANPADS, but they haven’t delivered anything else.

[figwam]

Quote: V.I.P.

So foreigners use different UABs (120 km drop range for a stationary target and 60-80 for a moving one) Yes, only everyone in the world has been using them for a long time, and not on TV and exhibitions.

Oh, keep these tales with you. When NATO bombed Libya, all guided munitions from Europe ended in the second week and they began to ask them from the United States, and this is when the Libyan army showed almost no resistance, our group has carried out air strikes for the fifth year, and not a single country has enough weapons Yes, and money.

[sivuch]

In fact, KAB and UAB are one and the same. For a TSA that does not have a remote control and, correspondingly, with poorer energy, the name KAB is more accurate, because its trajectory is only adjusted relative to the aiming point. And the formal range of the start or reset is far from always fulfilled in practice. In Iraqi, the actual launch range of the Mavericks rarely exceeded 6–9 km, while the maximum range was 25

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

jesem, which the Americans rivet like pies. Otherwise, explain the risk to pilots instead of rockets more expensive.

And do you think the pilots of the United States and NATO do not risk anything since they have more missiles ?!

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_авиационных_потерь_международной_коалиции_в_Афганистане

103 helicopters and 36 helicopters 1 tiltrotor crashed or were shot down in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2019.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_авиационных_потерь_сил_коалиции_в_Иракской_войне

80 helicopters and 18 aircraft crashed or were destroyed in Iraq from 2003 to 2010.

As you can see, the losses are huge for the United States and NATO countries, and this is in conditions of the almost complete absence of enemy air defense, and these countries also deliver MANPADS to terrorists in Syria.

[Oleg123219307]

Policy in this case. And on both sides for now. If our pilots once again cover the Turks with everything, including the Turks, they talk smartly about Syrian aviation. And they fought on the ground and no one needs a global conflict with the Turks, money for gas, NPPs and C400 are not profane ... But if the Caliber is not blind, then the Israeli satellites do not trumpet in minutes. Although, from the point of view of tactics, it would be worth all Turkish troops to be expelled from there, and whoever doesn’t leave so add, but this is a war, and not for our land and not for our interests. Why is there massively ruining our guys?

[Sirocco]

At my place of work, a colleague’s opinion like yours was discussed, he was worried about the situation with the deaths of military personnel in Afghanistan in the past and in Syria today, saying that there’s nothing and nothing to do there. First of all, the army is designed to protect the state, and many people, both in the past and today, choosing to serve in the armed forces, understand what they are going to, or how to get a master’s salary, but how can others protect their homeland? And the fact that this is not a bad training ground for testing tactics and weapons, that they learn to fight there, so that they die less in the future, do not you understand that? My colleague is a driver, I asked him a simple question, how many die each year in an accident on the road from his colleagues? Difficult to answer, but tens of thousands are dying, is this working fine? and a nail in the coffin with which he agreed. When asked if it is possible to learn how to drive a car while sitting at a desk without getting behind the wheel of an AM, and without driving into the city, he answered me no. The same thing with the army, it should be engaged in tactical training training that would not decompose like the Libyan, Syrian army at the beginning of the conflict. It's my opinion.

[DPN]

Gone are the days when rockets were printed like sausages in the country.

[sevryuk]

Americans, yes ... In Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq ... This is even a problem with polymers.

[TermNachTer]

Explain to me the term - "distant height" - this skoka?

[NEXUS]

Quote: anjey

Spring has come, the Rooks have arrived !!! In one word, "oil painting in Syria" based on Savrasov.

Actually, it’s not very good news and I’ll explain why ... if our planes lowered the ceiling to heights where, say, Igla-S can get them, then wait for trouble. And mattresses will take advantage of this fact, promptly putting new MANPADS for this case to the majahids. Do not go to a fortuneteller ...

[Berkut752]

Firstly, the article is clumsily written, and secondly, the author’s flood ...............

[Thrifty]

"Rooks" are essentially flying tanks, or Il2 of our time. The cars are good, but already outdated, although with proper modernization they will still show themselves in all their strength.

[irbis0373]

The cars are just great, the whole situation is that there is simply no replacement for them.
And at the expense of modernization - this is probably good, but only at what level and who will do it, or rather where?

[loki565]

Replacement, these are shock drones. The United States has long been using drones instead of warthogs.

[Stalllker]

I don’t know any freeman with such weapons as the Rook or the Warthog

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Stalllker

I don’t know any freeman with such weapons as the Rook or the Warthog

Yes, and this UAV is not needed. The drone hangs in the combat zone, is attracted to targeted attacks by guided weapons (UAB, UR) against the most significant targets - KP, warehouses, air defense systems, vehicles in which commanders move, etc.
When air defense is suppressed, and command and control is disorganized, then attack aircraft can also be used, covering the area with the square-nesting method — ordinary iron or napalm.

[Stalllker]

Hypothetically, you can "inflate" Rook with electronics, electronic warfare and all that and let it fly on its own

[sivuch]

Against normal military air defense, these drones are practically useless

[sivuch]

For conflicts of low intensity (in other words, with slippers)

[aiden]

You tell the Saudis. They just slippers with semi-self-propelled drones caused great damage to the oil industry

[sivuch]

So they themselves are slippers, at least mentally.

[smile]

irbis0373
Su 34 ...
Apparently, in terms of range, "carrying capacity", the ability to counteract air defense systems, the ability to work on the ground - the machines do quite well ... and better than rooks .... and they themselves need less than rooks ... .not in vain they stopped ordering rooks (as well as warthogs), and began to order sous 34 ... yeah, then someone unreasonable booted about a small amount ........ they say, only 76 ..... his bad predictions have already been discredited, the order has been extended twice ... and nothing will prevent him from extending it further - well, if the critic's religion does not prevent the realization of this fact ...
I want to remind these comrades - if the MO ordered 76 cars - any - then nothing and no one will prevent them from ordering them later, after the expiration of the current contract .... such things .....

[K-612-O]

They stopped ordering Su-25s even from the union, because the plant in Tbilisi remained, now there is devastation. There is nowhere for Rook to produce.

[Sergey Valov]

They were also made in Ulan-Uda.

[Grits]

Quote: Sergey Valov

They were also made in Ulan-Uda.

In addition, they made a modification of the Su-39

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sergey Valov

They were also made in Ulan-Uda.

at the UAZ did the Su-25UB training camps. Now the plant belongs to Rosvertol and produces helicopters. There is no production line for Rooks on it, the plant only carries out the modernization of existing aircraft of this type.

[yang174]

or just know about 76ti

[Stalllker]

Su 34 is no attack aircraft, Grach and 34 are two different cars

[Grigory_45]

Quote: smile

not in vain did they stop ordering rooks (as well as warthogs), and began to order su 34.

So the Su-25 is simply nowhere to produce. There is no production line. The main plant remained in Georgia, the plant in Ulan-Ude was converted for the production of helicopters.
It would be where to make attack aircraft, I think we would have ordered them. Existing cars are being modernized, they are not planning to abandon them (like the Americans, who tried to secure their Thunderbolt retirement three times for sure)

[maidan.izrailovich]

Cars are good, but already outdated ....

In this world, everything is relative.
And you know a lot in the world attack aircraft similar Su-25 and younger by age?

[RUS96]

Good cars, but already outdated

[Klingon]

Quote: Thrifty

"Rooks" are essentially flying tanks, or Il2 of our time. The cars are good, but already outdated, although with proper modernization they will still show themselves in all their strength.

and there was also IL-102.

[Nikolaevich I]

Su-25 + electronic warfare system "Vitebsk" = bombing from low altitudes ...

[loki565]

Su-25 + electronic warfare system "Vitebsk" = bombing from low altitudes ...

the main thing is that in Syria it would be Su25cm3

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: loki565

the main thing is that in Syria it would be Su25cm3

Exactly....

[sivuch]

It can be reduced. Unfortunately, the R-195 with a reduced IR signature is not installed on modernized dryers.

[voyaka uh]

Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.
I think that all QABs have been used up (while they make and deliver new ones ...),
FABs do not fall in a dynamic combat environment.
But we must fight now.

[anjey]

Let's see who and what is missing, the movement began north of the Khan Sheikhun, probably the SAA will take control of the M-4 highway ....

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 02: 06
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Attack aircraft are not used for a good life. recourse
I think all KABy (while they make и give a ride new ...),

Daaaaaaaa, such a ravage has not yet been !!!!!!!! in Israel they do this in the back room on their knees one per quarter (maybe), and they bring it on oxen.

[Grits]

Quote: aszzz888

in Israel they do this in the back room on their knees one per quarter (maybe), and they bring it on oxen.

Due to the insignificance of the distance, in Israel it is possible to bring on a stretcher.

[aszzz888]

Grita (Alexander) Today, 11: 11
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Quote: aszzz888
in Israel they do this in the back room on their knees one per quarter (maybe), and they bring it on oxen.

Due to the insignificance of the distance, in Israel it is possible to bring on a stretcher.

Or roll it ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.

Many countries have no attack aircraft at all. Apparently not from a good life.

[tlauicol]

Why should they spend money on an attack aircraft if they have high-precision weapons? It turns out cheaper, more precisely, more reliable and safer. Until we understand this, we will scatter money down the drain and lose pilots

[sivuch]

Yes, no one doubts for a long time. But the goal is far from always possible to find and identify from a safe distance and altitude, especially if it, the target, actively counteracts this

[tlauicol]

Quote: sivuch

Yes, no one doubts for a long time. But the goal is far from always possible to find and identify from a safe distance and altitude, especially if it, the target, actively counteracts this

drone. - safe cheaply accurate. NOT a ground attack aircraft

[sivuch]

With any normal air defense, these drones do not fly much.

[tlauicol]

Quote: sivuch

With any normal air defense, these drones do not fly much.

yeah. whether it’s a ground attack aircraft

[sivuch]

It will probably surprise you, but the attack aircraft has really higher survivability. Especially if he uses the UAPP.

[Ponchik78]

That's for sure!!! Not one wedding with a funeral or a fair was covered)))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.

Many countries have no attack aircraft at all. Apparently not from a good life.

The Israelis at one time used the F-4 modernized as attack aircraft. Then they changed to drones.

[Grits]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Many countries have no attack aircraft at all. Apparently not from a good life.

So after all, only the United States and Russia have "clean" attack aircraft. The rest have all sorts of adaptations to them from other types of aircraft.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Attack aircraft are not used for a good life. recourse
I think that all QABs have been used up (while they make and deliver new ones ...),
FABs do not fall in a dynamic combat environment.
But we must fight now.

Perhaps it is, Russia does not have enough precision weapons to destroy military equipment, there are X-25s in different versions, but for some reason they are not used often.

[Xenofont]

Well, where did you get that ended? In warehouses they are always full. Well, who will be KABami for a single operator MANPADS hollow? Simply Krasnopol at the location or just a fire raid.

[Pavel57]

There is logic.

[Sarcasm]

Apparently it is impossible to ensure sufficient intensity of sorties by other types, or they are saving fuel and ammunition, so we have to risk our pilots sending the Su-25.

This is a very big risk, I will explain. Turkey produces under license the Stinger MANPADS and the Rapira 2000 air defense systems, therefore there are a large number of them in their troops, and accordingly a large number can be transferred to the forces under their control in Syria. Both Stingers and Rapiers are effective against aircraft operating at low altitudes. The Stinger is understandably a portable complex, but the Rapier is also a rather small complex placed on single-axle trailers, can be covertly thrown, deployed and used.

[aszzz888]

Sarkazm Today, 02:16 .... either they save fuel and ammunition,

Complete nonsense !!! Not 41 years of the last century ...

[loki565]

They have already deployed ATILGAN short-range air defense systems based on the M113a2

[sivuch]

This is Stinger

[loki565]

Yes, but there the reaction time is much shorter, plus a thermal imager, a target detection and tracking system, a laser range finder, a "Friend - Alien" recognition system, and so on.

[sivuch]

Well, yes, of course there are additional nishtyaki, but the range-altitude-energy-noise immunity is still Stinger's. Then it was more logical to take heavier Mistral missiles

[Voltsky]

not a big remark, when used on the su-25 svp-24 "Hephaestus", it can conduct bombing from heights inaccessible to MANPADS. Most likely, attack aircraft are used because they are a direct support vehicle for offensive operations on the battlefield. Consequently, there was a need for attack aircraft, in addition to bombers.
And not because .... I didn’t quite catch the logic in the article :)

[Svetlana]

>>> In this regard, they enter the enemy's battle formations from a low distance. 
O great and mighty Russian language.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Svetlana

the great and mighty Russian language.

Some kind of reprint. Judging by the link to the Sky News photo, the "water" may be from the same place. It makes sense to wait for more reliable information.

[Amateur]

These vehicles are not able to adequately hit the ground forces of the enemy from a distant height.

When I wrote last time that VO had problems with the Russian language (in terms of meaning, the text is more severe), I immediately received a ban personally from Mr. Smirnov. As it is now said "Ya Kryvedko"

[TT62o]

They take a foreign source, and translate it by a computer translator without editing with Russian brains. Type shavat. So apparently all our media are working.

[Piramidon]

Quote: TT62o

They take a foreign source, and translate it by a computer translator without editing with Russian brains. Type shavat. So apparently all our media are working.

In the media, the principle who previously published is well done. In the meantime, you will turn on the brains (if any) and edit, they will be ahead of you. Therefore, they dump "semi-finished products".

[Sergey Valov]

Many have many such mistakes. Dilettantism however.

[TT62o]

at ultra low altitude

[Alexey from Perm]

risk the lives of our pilots.

[aszzz888]

Good luck to our pilots !!! Return home alive and healthy !!!

[aszzz888]

Which is not there ... on the site! Even such a post is minus!

[Vadim Zhivov]

No problems !!! Now fix the gifts from boobies ...

[aszzz888]

Vadim Zhivov (Vadim) Today, 03:04
+2
No problems !!! Now fix the gifts from boobies ...

! Yes, I'm not worried about the minuses, "It's a shame for the State!" Happy Holidays, Vadim!

[Vadim Zhivov]

And you with the holiday! Happy Soviet Army and Navy! From my old memory I like it more ...

[Chaldon48]

But what about the latest EW, which should lead missiles to the side?

[rotmistr60]

voyaka uh
Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.

With all due respect to you, but today you are out of shape. There was a period when in our country they wanted to abandon attack aircraft. And ... There were clever heads that proved to the leadership of the Politburo that the attack aircraft is not just needed, but necessary, like a battlefield plane.

[bars1]

It’s a pity, only this happened after the assault aircraft were eliminated by replacing it with fighter-bomber aircraft. Su-7B and its modifications due to the high speed could not effectively detect and hit targets on the battlefield. I had to return the attack aircraft back and develop special aircraft for it

[Chigi]

Rooks arrive for "jubilee" work at the front. Dangerous work at the front.
Guys, hold on!
It seems like you can’t do without you Rooks now

[Mountain shooter]

Good luck and courage to our pilots! May everyone return from the flight. By defeating the enemy ...

[Kaw]

Logically, everything should be the other way around. If there are MANPADS, then you need to climb higher. Just at an altitude of 5 km MANPADS aircraft will not get. And the attack aircraft have no protection against MANPADS (except for obsolete heat traps).

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Kaw

Logically, everything should be the other way around. If there are MANPADS, then you need to climb higher. Just at an altitude of 5 km MANPADS aircraft will not get. And the attack aircraft have no protection against MANPADS (except for obsolete heat traps).

Read above. Already mentioned the modification of the Su-25 cm3, which allows you to fight MANPADS missiles.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Kaw

If there are MANPADS, then you need to climb higher. Just at an altitude of 5 km MANPADS aircraft will not get.

If the enemy has nothing but MZA and MANPADS, then yes, it makes sense to go at high altitude, where neither missiles nor shells can be reached. But as soon as the enemy has something more serious - a long-range or medium-range air defense system, the aircraft is sharply pressed to the ground, leaving for the ultra-low. In this case, there is a greater chance of survival - the radio horizon is small (long-range air defense systems cannot work effectively), the line of sight is small, the time spent by the aircraft in the sight of air defense systems is minimal. They may not even have time to react to the aircraft; GOS MANPADS may not capture the target in such a short period of time. True, the effectiveness of strikes decreases - one call, and leaving for the base.

[askort154]

Russian aircraft returned to low combat heights in Syria

What is the title, so is the article. The writer, either not yet sober, or saw aviation only in the movies, and was completely unfamiliar with aviation terminology.
Yes, and to hell with him. Everyone on the site, happy holiday!

[xambo]

was caused by the transfer of Turkey to the zone of conflict of anti-aircraft systems of increased (compared to MANPADS) range

Our S-400? Ah Russia, they deceive and betray us at every turn .. Here in the west they will laugh at us if they bring down our own air defense

[Stils]

Idlib is Erdogan's soft underbelly. Are the Syrians coming? OK! The meaning of Russia's participation in this mess is not completely clear.
Just do not about the unfinished terrorists, noodles from kissel TV.

[rotkiv04]

Guys from February 23 and most importantly without loss

[Ros 56]

What kind of nonsense have I just read, especially liked the "distant height"?
Okay, let's not talk about the sad holiday.

[cniza]

the decision to attract the Su-25 to strike at Nairab was caused by the transfer of Turkey to the conflict zone of anti-aircraft systems of increased (compared to MANPADS) range. With their advent, a potential threat loomed over all types of warplanes.

Everything is getting hotter and more intense ...

[Zaurbek]

And what did the Turks transfer?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Zaurbek

And what did the Turks transfer?

Atılgan PMADS short-range air defense systems. Two quad launchers of the air defense system Stinger (FIM-92 Stinger) on the B113 MXNUMX chassis.
The launchers are mounted on a gyro-stabilized platform, the air defense system can fire on the go, the sighting system includes a thermal imager, a television camera, and a laser rangefinder. There is a computerized SLA.

Despite the fact that the missiles used are from the Stinger MANPADS and have the same characteristics in terms of target destruction, the presence of specialized sighting equipment and SLA, as well as 8 ready-to-launch missiles make PMADS much more unpleasant for aviation than a few separate shooters with MANPADS.

[musorg]

The writer from the couch does not know what he is writing about!

[frolov andrey]

Even the analysis of the level "grandma said for two."
Zen article

[stepka_razin]

Well, in vain, they will shoot down in such cases ...

[Stalllker]

Sorry for the rooks, they beat the same !!! Maybe it’s better to kill crocodiles at extremely low altitudes with non-guided missiles?!?

[ljoha_d]

Again we arrange a circus, the trick is called flying over hell. We do not regret our pilots at all, horseradish with cars is the main thing people. Pi_n_ dosy razfigachiliba all the air defense in the beginning, so is Israel and the latter also hit from their territory. Amy was in hell, as always, not in 1812, when they stood and fought in full growth. We all praise ourselves and praise ourselves, but they act better with minimal losses and are better equipped. and we have hope for the soldier himself, this article is a confirmation of this. Stop hassling with the Turks to clear the airspace from the threat and act in safety, but this will not happen at least until we lose people and only then we can turn on the brain, possibly turn it on. we don’t learn from mistakes, but all step on the rake over and over again. For example, after Afghanistan where we were the most prepared, Chechnya learned to fight in the second company again, then Georgia again suffered considerable losses and I am sure that the official data are underestimated (we lost 22), not counting the rest

[TatarinSSSR]

Israel hits "from afar" without entering the air. the space of Syria - because it knows in advance the exact coordinates of targets, they are stationary - these are warehouses, stationary radars and air defense systems, command posts. And the MLRS or the artillery mount of the barmaleev fired off and knocked them down immediately, often under some kind of cover. And the point is to shoot at it with an expensive rocket to the place where it no longer exists.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: aszzz888

Sarkazm Today, 02:16 .... either they save fuel and ammunition,

Complete nonsense !!! Not 41 years of the last century ...

Don't compare wet to soft. As our "managers" say, there is a logistics problem, which is very dependent on the Bosphorus, and if we face Turkey in a serious way, then a couple of days and that's it, there is no fuel or ammunition, the planes will become an expensive non-ferrous metal on the ground and no more.

Apparently there is a supply of NURSs, for example, small-caliber bombs for the Su-25 that did not fly for a long time into combat. They decided, after powerful blows, to support the offensive and frustrated the counterattack a couple of times to limit themselves to direct support.

Well, pilots and airplanes are a war, for the General Staff and politicians, there is no other logic like "we have a lot of them."

[rusboris]

It is logical to leave the Rooks resource for NATO. And for the barmaley, a special plane is needed, for example, the reincarnation of the IL-10, 1945. The Syrians will quickly master it. Let them risk themselves in the skies of their country. Fuck this plane lay down on the Stingers. It has no infrared radiation and at 250 meters of attack altitude, nothing at all will have time to reach it. And what will reach, so from 16 mm of armor and will fly off. Krasava. Two cannons, two machine guns, bombs, eres. That which suits the barmale the best. Cheap and safe for our pilots. Any Kirghiz can be taught at the flying club. They are only for the joy of earning Russian citizenship at the risk of their lives. It is prestigious to become a pilot. This is not for you to carry glass wool at a construction site.

[Mikhail Anokhin_2]

Clever! Since we know the case is written!

[iouris]

Quote: "... from a distant height. In this regard, they enter the enemy's battle formations from a low altitude." End of quote.
Adhering to the given style, one should write "from a near height".
Essentially. You can "return". Question: Do the pilots have the necessary training and ammunition? What will be the result, combat and non-combat losses. In other words, will the combat effectiveness be sufficient? Aviation should be used to isolate the combat area, destroying enemy forces on the march in Turkey. And this does not seem appropriate.

[Andrey.AN]

Such aviation is used for a quick reaction when the pilot personally and quickly conducts on-site reconnaissance of targets. When urgently needed.

[Pavel57]

The probability of being shot down may be more or less, but it is not zero.

[TatarinSSSR]

So what is the article about? For the sake of a few lines - attack aircraft are again involved and work from low altitudes - have they released an entire article? Well ok, now we are aware that there may be losses among the SU-25.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: RideMaster

Urrapatriots are insane. It is written what and how. Perhaps there will be dead pilots.
We don’t have to see in the normal number of calibers or something like jaesem that the Americans rivet like pies. Otherwise, how to explain the risk to pilots instead of missiles more expensive.

A philanthropist, you need to move to a hut, as his main idol V.I. Lenin, who covered the entire world proletariat with his care, write the February theses, sell the apartment, sell the car, and loan money for the Caliber rocket. Perhaps enough for the tail unit. Work on mobilizing the likes. You can collect in bulk. But, not for a large amount. For we do not have so many such freaks.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

So what is the article about? For the sake of a few lines - attack aircraft are again involved and work from low altitudes - have they released an entire article? Well ok, now we are aware that there may be losses among the SU-25.

Fools are only concerned about their own ass. But they, due to their underdevelopment, do not understand that the mass of aviation crushes the enemy as massively as they use it massively. Unfortunately, the intervention of external forces, of the same Turks, leads to an escalation of hostilities. But not accepting additional pressure will prompt the ENEMY to think about his victory. Which is completely unacceptable.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: iouris

Quote: "... from a distant height. In this regard, they enter the enemy's battle formations from a low altitude." End of quote.
Adhering to the given style, one should write "from a near height".
Essentially. You can "return". Question: Do the pilots have the necessary training and ammunition? What will be the result, combat and non-combat losses. In other words, will the combat effectiveness be sufficient? Aviation should be used to isolate the combat area, destroying enemy forces on the march in Turkey. And this does not seem appropriate.

It seems expedient to use ALL types of aviation. Nobody talked about REPLACING high-altitude use with more vulnerable, as well as shelling with "Caliber", I do not exclude the use of "Iskander". Since "Tochka" is there, why not replenish this park with more modern ones?

[shadow]

Where did the data come from? Who voiced them?

[Eugene-Eugene]

Quote: Shadows

Where did the data come from? Who voiced them?

military review.

[Mikhail Anokhin_2]

Should there be a means of counteracting these anti-aircraft complexes?

[Lucy]

I read it. Horror. Not just commentators, sofas, but hunchbacks, bespectacled people, flat-footed people, color-blind people and other "flight personnel" IA, SHA, FBA corresponding to the pr. Of the RF Ministry of Defense No. 455 - studying the Internet tactics of the Air Force with the SS stamp ..

[Pushkar]

"Distant height", "low height" - is there anyone who knows Russian in the editorial staff?

[shadow]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Quote: Shadows

Where did the data come from? Who voiced them?

military review.

And from the Military Review, where did they come from? Have you come up with?

[surok1]

It makes sense for the Rooks to fly in units of 4 pieces, to put the nurses so that they could not raise their heads. One bombed, immediately the next, while the previous claws tear. And I hope that in the nomenclature of nurses there is cumulative shrapnel.

[Olya Tsako]

You can shoot a sequel to the movie "Heavenly Slow-Mover-2". With the chief "Besogon".

[Fighter]

The article is a frank fake. There are no rooks there now !!!

[FCSO]

Are you tired of carrying crap?
How to understand this, (quote) "These machines are not capable of adequately hitting enemy ground forces from a distant height"?
Su-25s have already been reequipped almost without exception with the Hephaestus equipment!

[Fishery]

why they do not use AVBPM I'm sorry for them or something to throw a couple of pieces)))))) it’s interesting