Russian aircraft returned to low combat heights in Syria


After the aggravation of the situation in northwestern Syria, the acute dissatisfaction of Ankara with the successful offensive of Damascus and the emergence of information about the spread of MANPADS among jihadists, a change in tactics was noted aviation VCS.


Recently, strikes by Russian bombers have been recorded from a height that impedes the effective use of man-portable air defense systems. So, there is evidence that when trying to destroy the Su-24, he was 5 km from the surface of the earth.

However, now there is evidence of the use of Su-25 attack aircraft. These vehicles are not able to adequately hit the ground forces of the enemy from a great height. In this regard, they enter the battle formations of the enemy from low altitude. The specifics of the use of attack aircraft exposes them to increased danger, especially in conditions of widespread use of aviation weapons among militants.

As can be assumed, the decision to attract the Su-25 to strike at Nairab was caused by the transfer of Turkey to the conflict zone of anti-aircraft systems with an increased (in comparison with MANPADS) range. With their appearance, a potential threat loomed over all types of combat aircraft. Under these conditions, the stormtroopers may not have made sense to "sit out" at the base and they were returned to business.


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  1. anjey 23 February 2020 01: 54 New
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    Spring has come, "Rooks" have arrived !!! In a word, "oil painting in Syria" based on Savrasov.
    1. kapitan92 23 February 2020 01: 57 New
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      Quote: anjey
      ,"The Rooks Have Arrived!!!

      1. bessmertniy 23 February 2020 03: 22 New
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        There is that "Rooks" to peck in Idlib! wink
      2. bayard 23 February 2020 03: 27 New
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        Gorgeous clip!
        Especially on the Day of the Defender of the beloved Fatherland!
    2. RideMaster 23 February 2020 05: 04 New
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      Urrapatriots are insane. It is written what and how. Perhaps there will be dead pilots.
      We don’t have to see in the normal number of calibers or something like jaesem that the Americans rivet like pies. Otherwise, how to explain the risk to pilots instead of missiles more expensive.
      1. Nikolai Grek 23 February 2020 05: 10 New
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        Quote: RideMaster
        It is written what and how.

        honestly, this is just the author’s speculation in the article !! request
        PS ... but it is necessary to crush igilists in compliance with all precautions - there is no doubt in this !!! soldier
        1. Range 23 February 2020 15: 24 New
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          I think the article is provocative. I think that decisions on the destruction of barmalei will be made taking into account the risk and the latest incident with MANPADS. It seems that Perdogan will not calm down until he is curtailed Faberge.
          1. Magog 23 February 2020 15: 56 New
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            I believe that the operation in Idlib was miscalculated in the General Staffs of the SAA and the Russian Army (How else?). The possible use of the Su-25 VKS of Russia with the Vitebsk-25 systems is also from a number of calculated options (see comments below). T. h., Here's a look. Of course, this EW novelty should be tried with due care, until the pilots have confidence in the effectiveness of this protection. And do not allow adversaries of all stripes to experiment on the battlefield with means to overcome this type of electronic warfare, that is, Soushki are working in the final phase of the Idlib operation, which should not be delayed.
            1. spectr 24 February 2020 10: 03 New
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              Rather a necessary measure. Turks climbed in. And in order not to accidentally crush them and not provoke the beginning of hostilities between the Russian Federation and Turkey, our VKS were forced to go to low altitudes with the risk of losses.
      2. anjey 23 February 2020 05: 14 New
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        Insanity and pessimists from the "word completely" are insane, if you do not believe in Victory, do not get into a fight ... There is nothing to grumble, especially on February 23 !!!
        1. Cyrus 23 February 2020 09: 30 New
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          And of course you will sit out in the rear, in principle, as cowardly balabolas usually do.
          1. anjey 23 February 2020 11: 49 New
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            You know my dear, if the Motherland invited me to hide, I didn’t run, just to be useful and necessary for the Motherland and to be aware of my contribution to the firm and clear policy and strategy of my country ...
          2. anjey 23 February 2020 17: 31 New
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            Aren't you a balabol? Brave and bloodthirsty, like that king Kurush ??? whose head the Scythians drank their own blood in a wineskin ??? I will not say anything about the fan of children's fiction laughing .
      3. yang174 23 February 2020 08: 29 New
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        unfortunately this is war, and such a job!
        and iron people like Peshkov, Nurbagandov and such as they are!
        1. yang174 23 February 2020 09: 10 New
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          even someone does not agree What is such work, to defend the homeland?
          1. Grits 23 February 2020 11: 04 New
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            It was just a flock of Zion Witnesses
            1. Xenofont 23 February 2020 11: 12 New
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              These are just normal people have not yet turned on because of the early time, here are the enemies and are rampant unrequited.
              1. Grits 23 February 2020 11: 21 New
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                Quote: Xenofont
                These are just normal people haven’t turned on yet because of the early time.

                Well, it depends on where. Are we here, in the Far East, already thinking - stop or still go?
            2. anjey 23 February 2020 11: 40 New
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              The sons of David they are, their ancient anger was born earlier than they laughing .
      4. SSR
        SSR 23 February 2020 09: 12 New
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        Quote: RideMaster
        We don’t have to see in the normal number of calibers or something like jaesem that the Americans rivet like pies.

        Please tell us more.
        1. How many riveted cruise missiles in the United States.
        2. For what purposes this type of weapon is used.
        Here from the Internet.

        Question to the experts.

        A total of 7302 CR Tomahawk were produced.

        Industry can produce 150-160 per year.

        https://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/637505&full
        a threat loomed over all types of combat aircraft. Under these conditions, the stormtroopers may not have made sense to “sit out” at the base and they were returned to business.

        Everything is at risk, and advisers and tankers, and generally based on the results of the previous ones, should have been amended in the actions of the Armed Forces.
        1. Xenofont 23 February 2020 11: 28 New
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          Yes that's right. A few years since the factory was built from scratch, where in 3 shifts rivets of all kinds gauges! This current is not known to the defeatists.
        2. anjey 23 February 2020 16: 31 New
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          For interest, I looked at the old komenty of this "rider master", He once in different topics, mentions the lack of Caliber in us, as if the wedge light on these Caliber came together, this is some kind of fix idea, it seems, apparently in early childhood, in the hospital not calibrated correctly laughing
          1. yang174 24 February 2020 00: 54 New
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            they rub him Faberge laughing
      5. sivuch 23 February 2020 10: 06 New
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        And what kind of jaesm are these? Maybe they mean SDB-1 and SDB-2? In principle, there is a UAB with satellite navigation, but for some reason the Russian Ministry of Defense does not want to have bombs with a caliber of less than 250 kilos, although there are no technical problems
      6. figwam 23 February 2020 10: 26 New
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        Here, apparently, the point is this. For a new modification of the Su-25SM3, under the wing, containers of the active jamming station of the Vitebsk-25 defense complex were installed.
        1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 11: 07 New
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          Quote: figvam
          Here, apparently, the point is this. For a new modification of the Su-25SM3, under the wing, containers of the active jamming station of the Vitebsk-25 defense complex were installed.

          So what??? Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?
          How many such modernized sides in Syria? Do you have official data?

          The only thing that will give a real effect is the suppression of enemy air defense. it is from this that any operation involving aviation begins. Fortunately, the Patriots will have to transfer to the border itself to cover Idlib - their range is not more than 90 km along a target flying at an average height.
          1. figwam 23 February 2020 11: 36 New
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            So what??? Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?

            For this he was created. There is no such system on the Su-24M2, it is more vulnerable to air defense.
            Quote: Gregory_45
            How many such modernized sides in Syria? Do you have official data?

            How many sides in Syria is a military secret, but the fact that they are there is for sure, here is a photo from Syria 2018, under the wing of the blocks of Vitebsk-25.

            Quote: Gregory_45
            The only thing that will give a real effect is the suppression of enemy air defense. it is from this that any operation involving aviation begins.

            Turkey’s air defense is on its territory, then it is necessary to start a war with Turkey.
            1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 11: 41 New
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              Quote: figvam
              Quote: Gregory_45
              So what??? Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?

              For this he was created.

              do you read carefully?
              Quote: Gregory_45
              Vitebsk gives a guarantee of non-defeat of the aircraft?

              I repeat the question: guarantees, at 100%, that the plane will not be hit by missiles ???
              In addition to missiles, for your information, barmaley full of MZA.

              Quote: figvam
              Turkey’s air defense is on its territory, then it is necessary to start a war with Turkey.

              what for? Drop DRG, let the guys work quietly and quietly
              1. figwam 23 February 2020 12: 00 New
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                I repeat the question: guarantees, at 100%, that the plane will not be hit by missiles ???

                For those who repeat in an armored train.
                Vitebsk is the Russian electronic warfare complex for individual aircraft protection. Protection is carried out by staging optical and electronic interference. The main element of Vitebsk is a digital station of active interference, it “crushes” the signal of an enemy radar in a wider frequency range. In addition to the CSAP, the complex includes a missile defense system with a thermal homing head (TGSN). Such a system is installed on government aircraft called "President-S".
                Quote: Gregory_45
                what for? Drop DRG, let the guys work quietly and quietly

                It's good that you do not command our troops in Syria.
                1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 12: 10 New
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                  Quote: figvam
                  For those who repeat in an armored train.

                  and I will repeat for those who are in a tank with tightly welded hatches: none of the defensive systems (whether Vitebsk or something else) guarantee the non-defeat of aircraft, they only reduce the likelihood of this unpleasant event. And MZA is not saved from the word at all from the fire.
                  Therefore, losses when operating from low altitudes are likely.

                  Quote: figvam
                  It's good that you do not command our troops in Syria.

                  and it’s very wonderful that you too. Only a criminal can send aircraft to attack without suppressing air defense (or not trying to suppress it)
                  1. figwam 23 February 2020 12: 25 New
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                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    And MZA is not saved from the word at all from the fire.

                    You saw a lot of shot down planes from MZA, right not one.
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Only a criminal can send aircraft to attack without suppressing air defense (or not trying to suppress it)

                    Once again, air defense is located in Turkey and was not used on our aircraft !!! In Syria, the Turks used only MANPADS.
                    1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 12: 39 New
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                      Quote: figvam
                      You saw a lot of shot down aircraft from MZA

                      shot down barmalei in the SAR planes and helicopters (Syrian) from MZA. And the "stupid" projectile doesn’t care what type of BKO you have installed on board. In addition, the ability of BKO to adequately respond to explosives and missiles with multispectral heads (such as the latest Stingers, Sidewinders, Willows) has not been confirmed
                      And again, for those who believe in fairy tales: not a single BCO in the world will give 100% protection.

                      Quote: figvam
                      Air defense is located in Turkey and was not used on our aircraft !!! In Syria, the Turks used only MANPADS.

                      MANPADS - not air defense system ??? And now the planes will go on small - i.e. in the area of ​​responsibility are just MANPADS and MZA.

                      P.S. Pull up the materiel)
                      1. figwam 23 February 2020 12: 53 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        shot down barmalei in the SAR planes and helicopters (Syrian) from MZA.

                        Shot down from MANPADS.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        In addition, the ability of BKO to adequately respond to explosives and missiles, with multispectral heads (such as the latest Stingers, Sidewinders, Willows) has not been confirmed

                        Who is not confirmed by you? This is the latest system designed to combat just taking into account the characteristics of all possible thermal and radar missiles.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        MANPADS - not air defense ???

                        You wrote that you first need to suppress air defense, how you were going to suppress MANPADS, this is a passive portable system which any trained infantryman can use, it is impossible to suppress it in advance.
                        So the mat. part is your weakness.
                      2. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 13: 06 New
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                        Quote: figvam
                        Shot down from MANPADS.

                        shot down from everything that could shoot at an aircraft - from MANPADS, ATGMs, MZA

                        Quote: figvam
                        Who is not confirmed by you?

                        BKO indicated by you was tested on Arrows and Needles

                        Quote: figvam
                        This is the latest system designed to combat just taking into account the characteristics of all possible thermal and radar missiles.

                        BKO only increases the chances of the aircraft to survive, it is not a miraculous "impenetrable umbrella." When you understand this, you will understand everything else.

                        Quote: figvam
                        You wrote that you first need to suppress anti-aircraft defense, how you were going to suppress MANPADS

                        Oh, so you are not yet trained to read? Then I explain: if the enemy has a long-range / medium-range air defense system, they must be crushed. If this is not done, aviation will have to snuggle up to the ground, falling under the fire of MANPADS and MZA. Is it clear now?

                        And, for your information, all MANPADS are related to air defense and air defense systems.
                      3. figwam 23 February 2020 13: 22 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Then I explain: if the enemy has a long-range / medium-range air defense system, they must be crushed.

                        Is your Russian not native? What air defense are you going to suppress? I repeat the third time to you that the air defense is located on the territory of Turkey and was not used on our and Syrian aircraft !!! A MANPADS located in Syria is not possible to suppress.
                      4. Alexey G 24 February 2020 01: 33 New
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                        Do not quarrel! In any case, war does not happen without losses! BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THAT THE LOSS BORN HEROES, THAT IS THOSE ON WHICH OUR YOUNG GUYS WILL BE ORIENTED, WHICH NOT THE WATERMELONES DRIVE, AS WAS SINGED, AND BATTLE AIRPLANES IN THE CLIP! TAKE THEIR SKIES AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO FLY AND YES TO RISK ALSO, AND WHAT WILL REMAIN? AND WHERE DO HEROISM TAKE AT ALL? And FROM THE FAMOUS PROFESSIONALISM SONGS DO NOT FOLD! NO RISK OF HEROISM!
                        AS ONE PHILOSOPHER SAID: WAR IS NOT WHEN YOU CAN KILL SOMEBODY, BUT WHEN YOU RISK YOURSELF TO BE KILLED. THIS FIRST KILLING, SECOND WAR, FIGHT, BATTLE ...
              2. yang174 24 February 2020 01: 04 New
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                you argue from scratch.
                https://countrymeters.info/ru/Russian_Federation
                if you are fighting, then there will be losses. just the adequacy and max caution. but the losses will be UNDERSTANDING!
                cynical? damn well .... acceptable losses or not. and in whose opinion ... for me there’s one victim, a tragedy. but for statistics I’m afraid a couple of hundred thousand trifles
            2. aiden 23 February 2020 16: 53 New
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              So they are our DRG there. The internet is full of video. Yes, and someone gives target designation to astronauts to create craters
          2. Orkraider 23 February 2020 12: 53 New
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            I repeat the question: guarantees, at 100%, that the plane will not be hit by missiles ???


            hi
            There is a good quote:
            “There are no guarantees in this world, only opportunities.” - Douglas MacArthur


            The main threat is the barmalei with MANPADS, but tracking them is unlikely. Therefore, no one can give you 100% guarantee that in the attack area there will be no threat from MANPADS, he will not be able to give .. but the tasks must be completed.
  2. V.I.P. 23 February 2020 10: 45 New
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    So, foreigners use different UABs (a range of 120 km for a stationary target and 60-80 for a moving one). That does not risk pilots ..... We have no UABs in service. Only KAB and even not enough ... At and at exhibitions, UABs carry even ammunition. Yes, only everyone in the world has been using them for a long time, and not on TV and shows ... That’s why you have to fly on this "rook")))
    1. Xenofont 23 February 2020 11: 16 New
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      Don’t make me funny ... You don’t have any UABs, that's for sure. And the airspace system is full, only they do not use space, but for individual MANPADS operators.
      1. V.I.P. 23 February 2020 11: 41 New
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        Well, and what kind of PSA is in service with the Russian Federation ???? ...... ....... "Drill" which is at exhibitions and tests. It is not in service. Here are the characteristics of this experimental bomb, it has three modifications. One of them is a rocket (9-A-7759), equipped with a solid-fuel engine and having a range of 120 km. The other two (9-A1-7759 and 9-A2-7759) are gliding bombs with a range of 65 km. This, of course, is less than that of the CBU-39, but it is a record for Russian ammunition of this type ....
      2. V.I.P. 23 February 2020 11: 46 New
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        CABs that are armed with need lighting .. That's why our spotters in Syria climbed to the rear and periodically died. Now, whether for Krasnopol, or for CABs, backlighting from a drone is used ... And what is their reset range? If the plane flies over the discharge site entering the NEAR air defense zone and the militants shoot at them from MANPADS ..... We need ammunition with a normal discharge range so that people would not risk in vain!
        1. Xenofont 23 February 2020 11: 53 New
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          And what does the discharge height of 6 thousand meters do not suit you? They will not get MANPADS, but they haven’t delivered anything else.
    2. figwam 23 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: V.I.P.
      So foreigners use different UABs (120 km drop range for a stationary target and 60-80 for a moving one) Yes, only everyone in the world has been using them for a long time, and not on TV and exhibitions.

      Oh, keep these tales with you. When NATO bombed Libya, all guided munitions from Europe ended in the second week and they began to ask them from the United States, and this is when the Libyan army showed almost no resistance, our group has carried out air strikes for the fifth year, and not a single country has enough weapons Yes, and money.
    3. sivuch 23 February 2020 11: 34 New
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      In fact, KAB and UAB are one and the same. For a TSA that does not have a remote control and, correspondingly, with poorer energy, the name KAB is more accurate, because its trajectory is only adjusted relative to the aiming point. And the formal range of the start or reset is far from always fulfilled in practice. In Iraqi, the actual launch range of the Mavericks rarely exceeded 6–9 km, while the maximum range was 25
  3. Ratmir_Ryazan 23 February 2020 11: 05 New
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    jesem, which the Americans rivet like pies. Otherwise, explain the risk to pilots instead of rockets more expensive.


    And do you think the pilots of the United States and NATO do not risk anything since they have more missiles ?!

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_авиационных_потерь_международной_коалиции_в_Афганистане

    103 helicopters and 36 helicopters 1 tiltrotor crashed or were shot down in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2019.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_авиационных_потерь_сил_коалиции_в_Иракской_войне

    80 helicopters and 18 aircraft crashed or were destroyed in Iraq from 2003 to 2010.

    As you can see, the losses are huge for the United States and NATO countries, and this is in conditions of the almost complete absence of enemy air defense, and these countries also deliver MANPADS to terrorists in Syria.
  4. Oleg123219307 23 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    Policy in this case. And on both sides for now. If our pilots once again cover the Turks with everything, including the Turks, they talk smartly about Syrian aviation. And they fought on the ground and no one needs a global conflict with the Turks, money for gas, NPPs and C400 are not profane ... But if the Caliber is not blind, then the Israeli satellites do not trumpet in minutes. Although, from the point of view of tactics, it would be worth all Turkish troops to be expelled from there, and whoever doesn’t leave so add, but this is a war, and not for our land and not for our interests. Why is there massively ruining our guys?
  5. Sirocco 23 February 2020 14: 13 New
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    At my place of work, a colleague’s opinion like yours was discussed, he was worried about the situation with the deaths of military personnel in Afghanistan in the past and in Syria today, saying that there’s nothing and nothing to do there. First of all, the army is designed to protect the state, and many people, both in the past and today, choosing to serve in the armed forces, understand what they are going to, or how to get a master’s salary, but how can others protect their homeland? And the fact that this is not a bad training ground for testing tactics and weapons, that they learn to fight there, so that they die less in the future, do not you understand that? My colleague is a driver, I asked him a simple question, how many die each year in an accident on the road from his colleagues? Difficult to answer, but tens of thousands are dying, is this working fine? and a nail in the coffin with which he agreed. When asked if it is possible to learn how to drive a car while sitting at a desk without getting behind the wheel of an AM, and without driving into the city, he answered me no. The same thing with the army, it should be engaged in tactical training training that would not decompose like the Libyan, Syrian army at the beginning of the conflict. It's my opinion.
  6. DPN
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    Gone are the days when rockets were printed like sausages in the country.
  7. sevryuk 24 February 2020 20: 52 New
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    Americans, yes ... In Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq ... This is even a problem with polymers.
  • TermNachTer 23 February 2020 11: 56 New
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    Explain to me the term - "distant height" - this lope?
  • NEXUS 24 February 2020 02: 01 New
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    Quote: anjey
    Spring has come, "Rooks" have arrived !!! In a word, "oil painting in Syria" based on Savrasov.

    Actually, it’s not very good news and I’ll explain why ... if our planes lowered the ceiling to heights where, say, Igla-S can get them, then wait for trouble. And mattresses will take advantage of this fact, promptly putting new MANPADS for this case to the majahids. Do not go to a fortuneteller ...
  • Berkut752 24 February 2020 15: 32 New
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    Firstly, the article is clumsily written, and secondly, the author’s flood ...............
  • Thrifty 23 February 2020 01: 56 New
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    The Rooks are essentially flying tanks, or Il2 of our time. The cars are good, but already outdated, although with proper modernization they will still show themselves in all their strength.
    1. irbis0373 23 February 2020 02: 28 New
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      The cars are just great, the whole situation is that there is simply no replacement for them.
      And at the expense of modernization - this is probably good, but only at what level and who will do it, or rather where?
      1. loki565 23 February 2020 03: 36 New
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        Replacement, these are shock drones. The United States has long been using drones instead of warthogs.
        1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 05: 16 New
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          I don’t know any freeman with such weapons as the Rook or the Warthog
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            Quote: Stalllker
            I don’t know any freeman with such weapons as the Rook or the Warthog

            Yes, and this UAV is not needed. The drone hangs in the combat zone, is attracted to targeted attacks by guided weapons (UAB, UR) against the most significant targets - KP, warehouses, air defense systems, vehicles in which commanders move, etc.
            When air defense is suppressed, and command and control is disorganized, then attack aircraft can also be used, covering the area with the square-nesting method — ordinary iron or napalm.
            1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 11: 18 New
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              Hypothetically, Grach can be "fooled" by electronics, electronic warfare and all that and put into independent flight bully
            2. sivuch 23 February 2020 11: 40 New
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              Against normal military air defense, these drones are practically useless
        2. sivuch 23 February 2020 10: 08 New
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          For conflicts of low intensity (in other words, with slippers)
          1. aiden 23 February 2020 17: 02 New
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            You tell the Saudis. They just slippers with semi-self-propelled drones caused great damage to the oil industry
            1. sivuch 23 February 2020 19: 28 New
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              So they themselves are slippers, at least mentally.
      2. smile 23 February 2020 06: 07 New
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        irbis0373
        Su 34 ...
        Apparently, in range, in "carrying capacity", in their ability to counter air defense systems, in their ability to work on the ground - machines can do it ... and better than rooks .... and they themselves need less than rooks ... It’s not in vain that they stopped ordering rooks (as well as warthogs), and began to order su 34 .... yeah, here someone is an unreasonable bukhtel about a small amount ........ they say, only 76 ..... so already his bad forecasts were discredited, the order was doubled ..... and nothing will hinder to extend it further - well, if the religion of the critic does not interfere th that fact .....
        I want to remind these comrades - if the MO ordered 76 cars - any - then nothing and no one will prevent them from ordering them later, after the expiration of the current contract .... such things .....
        1. K-612-O 23 February 2020 07: 03 New
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          They stopped ordering Su-25s even from the union, because the plant in Tbilisi remained, now there is devastation. There is nowhere for Rook to produce.
          1. Sergey Valov 23 February 2020 08: 17 New
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            They were also made in Ulan-Uda.
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              Quote: Sergey Valov
              They were also made in Ulan-Uda.

              In addition, they made a modification of the Su-39
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              They were also made in Ulan-Uda.

              at the UAZ did the Su-25UB training camps. Now the plant belongs to Rosvertol and produces helicopters. There is no production line for Rooks on it, the plant only carries out the modernization of existing aircraft of this type.
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          or just know about 76ti
        3. Stalllker 23 February 2020 11: 19 New
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          Su 34 is no attack aircraft, Grach and 34 are two different cars
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          not in vain did they stop ordering rooks (as well as warthogs), and began to order su 34.

          So the Su-25 is simply nowhere to produce. There is no production line. The main plant remained in Georgia, the plant in Ulan-Ude was converted for the production of helicopters.
          It would be where to make attack aircraft, I think we would have ordered them. Existing cars are being modernized, they are not planning to abandon them (like the Americans, who tried to secure their Thunderbolt retirement three times for sure)
    2. maidan.izrailovich 23 February 2020 03: 20 New
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      Cars are good, but already outdated ....

      In this world, everything is relative.
      And you know a lot in the world attack aircraft similar Su-25 and younger by age?
    3. RUS96 23 February 2020 09: 01 New
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      Good cars, but already outdated
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      The Rooks are essentially flying tanks, or Il2 of our time. The cars are good, but already outdated, although with proper modernization they will still show themselves in all their strength.

      and there was also IL-102. wink
  • Nikolaevich I 23 February 2020 02: 00 New
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    Su-25 + electronic warfare system "Vitebsk" = bombing from low altitudes ...
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      Su-25 + electronic warfare system "Vitebsk" = bombing from low altitudes ...

      the main thing is that in Syria it would be Su25cm3
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        Quote: loki565
        the main thing is that in Syria it would be Su25cm3

        Exactly.... hi
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      1. sivuch 23 February 2020 10: 11 New
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        It can be reduced. Unfortunately, the R-195 with a reduced IR signature is not installed on modernized dryers.
  • voyaka uh 23 February 2020 02: 06 New
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    Attack aircraft are not used for a good life. recourse
    I think that all QABs have been used up (while they make and deliver new ones ...),
    FABs do not fall in a dynamic combat environment.
    But we must fight now.
    1. anjey 23 February 2020 02: 29 New
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      Let's see who and what is missing, the movement began north of the Khan Sheikhun, probably the SAA will take control of the M-4 highway ....
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      voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 02: 06
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      Attack aircraft are not used for a good life. recourse
      I think all KABy (while they make и give a ride new ...),

      Daaaaaaaa, such a ravage has not yet been !!!!!!!! in Israel they do this in the back room on their knees one per quarter (maybe), and they bring it on oxen. laughing
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        in Israel they do this in the back room on their knees one per quarter (maybe), and they bring it on oxen.

        Due to the insignificance of the distance, in Israel it is possible to bring on a stretcher.
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          in Israel they do this in the back room on their knees one per quarter (maybe), and they bring it on oxen.

          Due to the insignificance of the distance, in Israel it is possible to bring on a stretcher.
          Or roll it ... wink
    3. maidan.izrailovich 23 February 2020 03: 22 New
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      Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.

      Many countries have no attack aircraft at all. Apparently not from a good life.
      1. tlauicol 23 February 2020 06: 15 New
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        Why should they spend money on an attack aircraft if they have high-precision weapons? It turns out cheaper, more precisely, more reliable and safer. Until we understand this, we will scatter money down the drain and lose pilots
        1. sivuch 23 February 2020 10: 36 New
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          Yes, no one doubts for a long time. But the goal is far from always possible to find and identify from a safe distance and altitude, especially if it, the target, actively counteracts this
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            Yes, no one doubts for a long time. But the goal is far from always possible to find and identify from a safe distance and altitude, especially if it, the target, actively counteracts this

            drone. - safe cheaply accurate. NOT a ground attack aircraft
            1. sivuch 23 February 2020 12: 44 New
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              With any normal air defense, these drones do not fly much.
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                With any normal air defense, these drones do not fly much.

                yeah. whether it’s a ground attack aircraft
                1. sivuch 23 February 2020 13: 51 New
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                  It will probably surprise you, but the attack aircraft has really higher survivability. Especially if he uses the UAPP.
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              That's for sure!!! Not one wedding with a funeral or a fair was covered)))
      2. Krasnodar 23 February 2020 09: 43 New
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        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.

        Many countries have no attack aircraft at all. Apparently not from a good life.

        The Israelis at one time used the F-4 modernized as attack aircraft. Then they changed to drones.
      3. Grits 23 February 2020 11: 12 New
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        Many countries have no attack aircraft at all. Apparently not from a good life.

        So, only the USA and Russia have “pure” attack aircraft. The rest - all sorts of ways to them from other types of aircraft.
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan 23 February 2020 10: 11 New
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      Attack aircraft are not used for a good life. recourse
      I think that all QABs have been used up (while they make and deliver new ones ...),
      FABs do not fall in a dynamic combat environment.
      But we must fight now.


      Perhaps it is, Russia does not have enough precision weapons to destroy military equipment, there are X-25s in different versions, but for some reason they are not used often.
    5. Xenofont 23 February 2020 11: 21 New
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      Well, where did you get that ended? In warehouses they are always full. Well, who will be KABami for a single operator MANPADS hollow? Simply Krasnopol at the location or just a fire raid.
    6. Pavel57 23 February 2020 16: 16 New
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      There is logic.
  • Sarkazm 23 February 2020 02: 16 New
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    Apparently it is impossible to ensure sufficient intensity of sorties by other types, or they are saving fuel and ammunition, so we have to risk our pilots sending the Su-25.

    This is a very big risk, I will explain. Turkey produces under license from the Stinger MANPADS and the Rapira 2000 anti-aircraft missile systems, so there are a large number of them in their troops, and accordingly a large number can be transferred to the forces under their control in Syria. Both Stingers and Rapiers are effective against low altitude aircraft. Stinger is clearly a portable complex, but Rapira is a fairly small complex located on uniaxial trailers, which can be covertly deployed, deployed and applied.
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      Sarkazm Today, 02:16 .... either they save fuel and ammunition,
      Complete nonsense !!! Not 41 years of the last century ...
    2. loki565 23 February 2020 03: 42 New
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      They have already deployed ATILGAN short-range air defense systems based on the M113a2
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        This is Stinger
        1. loki565 23 February 2020 10: 31 New
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          Yes, but there the reaction time is much shorter, plus a thermal imager, a system for detecting and tracking targets, a laser rangefinder, a recognition system "Own - Alien" and so on.
          1. sivuch 23 February 2020 10: 39 New
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            Well, yes, of course there are additional nishtyaki, but the range-altitude-energy-noise immunity is still Stinger's. Then it was more logical to take heavier Mistral missiles
  • Voltsky 23 February 2020 02: 18 New
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    not a big remark, when used on the Su-25 SVP-24 Hephaestus, it can carry out bombing from heights inaccessible for MANPADS. Most likely, attack aircraft are used because it is a direct support vehicle for offensive operations on the battlefield. Consequently, a need arose for attack aircraft, in addition to bombers.
    And not because .... I didn’t quite catch the logic in the article :)
  • Svetlana 23 February 2020 02: 21 New
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    >>> In this regard, they enter the battle formations of the enemy from a low distance.
    O great and mighty Russian language.
    1. Paranoid50 23 February 2020 02: 33 New
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      the great and mighty Russian language.

      Some kind of reprint. Judging by the link to the Sky News photo, the “little water” is probably from there. request It makes sense to wait for more reliable information.
    2. Amateur 23 February 2020 06: 57 New
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      These vehicles are not able to adequately hit the ground forces of the enemy from a distant height.

      When I wrote last time that VO has problems with the Russian language (meaning, the text is more stringent), I immediately received a ban personally from Mr. Smirnov. As it is now said, "Ya Krivedko"
      1. TT62o 23 February 2020 10: 24 New
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        They take a foreign source, and translate it by a computer translator without editing with Russian brains. Type shavat. So apparently all our media are working.
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          Quote: TT62o
          They take a foreign source, and translate it by a computer translator without editing with Russian brains. Type shavat. So apparently all our media are working.

          In the media, the principle, who previously published, is well done. In the meantime, you will include brains (if any) and edit, you will get ahead. Therefore, "semi-finished products" are dumped.
    3. Sergey Valov 23 February 2020 08: 20 New
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      Many have many such mistakes. Dilettantism however.
    4. TT62o 23 February 2020 09: 56 New
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      at ultra low altitude
  • Alexey from Perm 23 February 2020 02: 26 New
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    risk the lives of our pilots.
  • aszzz888 23 February 2020 02: 40 New
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    Good luck to our pilots !!! Return home alive and healthy !!!
    1. aszzz888 23 February 2020 02: 49 New
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      Which is not there ... on the site! Even such a post is minus!
      1. Vadim Zhivov 23 February 2020 03: 04 New
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        No problems !!! Now fix the gifts from boobies ... hi
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          Vadim Zhivov (Vadim) Today, 03:04
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          No problems !!! Now fix the gifts from boobies ...
          hi ! Yes, not because of the cons I worry, "It's a shame for the Power!" Happy Holiday, Vadim! soldier
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            And you with the holiday! Happy Soviet Army and Navy! hi soldier From my old memory I like it more ... soldier
  • Chaldon48 23 February 2020 04: 02 New
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    But what about the latest EW, which should lead missiles to the side?
  • rotmistr60 23 February 2020 04: 11 New
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    voyaka uh
    Attack aircraft are not used for a good life.
    With all due respect to you, but today you are out of shape. There was a period when in our country they wanted to abandon attack aircraft. And ... There were clever heads that proved to the leadership of the Politburo that the attack aircraft is not just needed, but necessary, like a battlefield plane.
    1. bars1 23 February 2020 10: 24 New
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      It’s a pity, only this happened after the assault aircraft were eliminated by replacing it with fighter-bomber aircraft. Su-7B and its modifications due to the high speed could not effectively detect and hit targets on the battlefield. I had to return the attack aircraft back and develop special aircraft for it
  • Chigi 23 February 2020 05: 31 New
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    The Rooks arrive for the "juvenile" work at the front. Dangerous job at the front.
    Guys, hold on!
    It seems like you can’t do without you Rooks now
  • Mountain shooter 23 February 2020 05: 37 New
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    Good luck and courage to our pilots! May everyone return from the flight. By defeating the enemy ...
  • Kaw
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    Logically, everything should be the other way around. If there are MANPADS, then you need to climb higher. Just at an altitude of 5 km MANPADS aircraft will not get. And the attack aircraft have no protection against MANPADS (except for obsolete heat traps).
    1. IGOR GORDEEV 23 February 2020 08: 55 New
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      Quote: Kaw
      Logically, everything should be the other way around. If there are MANPADS, then you need to climb higher. Just at an altitude of 5 km MANPADS aircraft will not get. And the attack aircraft have no protection against MANPADS (except for obsolete heat traps).

      Read above. Already mentioned the modification of the Su-25 cm3, which allows you to fight MANPADS missiles.
    2. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 11: 36 New
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      If there are MANPADS, then you need to climb higher. Just at an altitude of 5 km MANPADS aircraft will not get.

      If the enemy has nothing but MZA and MANPADS, then yes, it makes sense to go at high altitude, where neither missiles nor shells can be reached. But as soon as the enemy has something more serious - a long-range or medium-range air defense system, the aircraft is sharply pressed to the ground, leaving for the ultra-low. In this case, there is a greater chance of survival - the radio horizon is small (long-range air defense systems cannot work effectively), the line of sight is small, the time spent by the aircraft in the sight of air defense systems is minimal. They may not even have time to react to the aircraft; GOS MANPADS may not capture the target in such a short period of time. True, the effectiveness of strikes decreases - one call, and leaving for the base.
  • askort154 23 February 2020 08: 27 New
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    Russian aircraft returned to low combat heights in Syria

    What is the title, so is the article. The writer, either not yet sober, or saw aviation only in the movies, and was completely unfamiliar with aviation terminology.
    Yes, and to hell with him. Everyone on the site, happy holiday! drinks
  • Xambo 23 February 2020 08: 32 New
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    was caused by the transfer of Turkey to the zone of conflict of anti-aircraft systems of increased (compared to MANPADS) range

    Our S-400? Ah Russia, they deceive and betray us at every turn .. Here in the west they will laugh at us if they bring down our own air defense
  • Stils 23 February 2020 08: 57 New
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    Idlib is Erdogan's soft underbelly. Are the Syrians coming? OK! The meaning of Russia's participation in this mess is not completely clear.
    Just do not about the unfinished terrorists, noodles from kissel TV.
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  • rotkiv04 23 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    Guys from February 23 and most importantly without loss
  • Ros 56 23 February 2020 09: 13 New
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    What nonsense did I read now, I especially liked the "distant height"?
    Okay, let's not talk about the sad holiday.
  • cniza 23 February 2020 09: 16 New
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    the decision to attract the Su-25 to strike at Nairab was caused by the transfer of Turkey to the conflict zone of anti-aircraft systems of increased (compared to MANPADS) range. With their advent, a potential threat loomed over all types of warplanes.


    Everything is getting hotter and more intense ...
  • Zaurbek 23 February 2020 09: 29 New
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    And what did the Turks transfer?
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    2. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 21: 57 New
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      And what did the Turks transfer?

      Atılgan PMADS short-range air defense systems. Two quad launchers of the air defense system Stinger (FIM-92 Stinger) on the B113 MXNUMX chassis.
      The launchers are mounted on a gyro-stabilized platform, the air defense system can fire on the go, the sighting system includes a thermal imager, a television camera, and a laser rangefinder. There is a computerized SLA.

      Despite the fact that the missiles used are from the Stinger MANPADS and have the same characteristics in terms of target destruction, the presence of specialized sighting equipment and SLA, as well as 8 ready-to-launch missiles make PMADS much more unpleasant for aviation than a few separate shooters with MANPADS.


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    The writer from the couch does not know what he is writing about!
  • frolov andrey 23 February 2020 10: 54 New
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    Even an analysis of the level of "grandmother for two said."
    Zen article
  • stepka_razin 23 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    Well, in vain, they will shoot down in such cases ...
  • Stalllker 23 February 2020 11: 25 New
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    Sorry for the rooks, they beat the same !!! Maybe it’s better to kill crocodiles at extremely low altitudes with non-guided missiles?!?
  • ljoha_d 23 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    Again we arrange a circus, the trick is called flying over hell. We do not regret our pilots at all, horseradish with cars is the main thing people. Pi_n_ dosy razfigachiliba all the air defense in the beginning, so is Israel and the latter also hit from their territory. Amy was in hell, as always, not in 1812, when they stood and fought in full growth. We all praise ourselves and praise ourselves, but they act better with minimal losses and are better equipped. and we have hope for the soldier himself, this article is a confirmation of this. Stop hassling with the Turks to clear the airspace from the threat and act in safety, but this will not happen at least until we lose people and only then we can turn on the brain, possibly turn it on. we don’t learn from mistakes, but all step on the rake over and over again. For example, after Afghanistan where we were the most prepared, Chechnya learned to fight in the second company again, then Georgia again suffered considerable losses and I am sure that the official data are underestimated (we lost 22), not counting the rest
    1. TatarinSSSR 23 February 2020 13: 59 New
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      Israel hits “from afar” without entering the air. Syrian space - because it knows in advance the exact coordinates of the targets, they are stationary - these are warehouses, stationary radars and air defense systems, command posts. And the MLRS or the artillery mount of the barmalei was shooting up and dumped right away, often under some kind of shelter. And the sense of it is to shoot an expensive rocket to the place where it is no longer there.
  • Sarkazm 23 February 2020 11: 56 New
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    Sarkazm Today, 02:16 .... either they save fuel and ammunition,
    Complete nonsense !!! Not 41 years of the last century ...
    Do not compare wet to soft. As our "managers" say, there is a logistics problem that is very dependent on the Bosphorus, and if we face Turkey’s foreheads seriously, then for a couple of days and that’s all, there’s no fuel or ammunition, airplanes will become an expensive colorimeter on earth and no more.

    Apparently there is a supply of NURSs, for example, small-caliber bombs for the Su-25 that did not fly for a long time into combat. They decided, after powerful blows, to support the offensive and frustrated the counterattack a couple of times to limit themselves to direct support.

    Well, pilots and planes are a war, for the General Staff and politicians, there is no other logic like "we have a lot of them."
  • rusboris 23 February 2020 12: 04 New
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    It is logical to leave the Rooks resource to NATO. And for barmaley you need a special plane, for example, the reincarnation of IL-10, 1945. The Syrians will quickly master it. Let them risk in the sky of their country. Fuck this plane laid on the "Stingers". He does not have infrared radiation and at 250 meters of attack height, in general, nothing will have time to fly into it. And what will fly, so from 16 mm of armor and fly off. Krasava. Two guns, two machine guns, bombs, heresy. That barmaley and suits most. Cheap and safe for our pilots. You can teach any Kyrgyz in an aero club. They are only for the joy of earning Russian citizenship with a risk to their lives. Become a prestigious pilot. It’s not for you to carry glass wool at a construction site.
    1. Mikhail Anokhin_2 23 February 2020 21: 35 New
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      Clever! Since we know the case is written!
  • iouris 23 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    Quote: "... from a distant height. In this regard, they enter the battle formations of the enemy from a low altitude." The end of the quote.
    Adhering to a given style, it should have been written "from near heights."
    In essence. "Return" is possible. Question: Do pilots have the necessary training and ammunition? What will be the result, combat and non-combat losses. In other words, will the combat effectiveness be sufficient? Aviation should be used to isolate the war zone, destroying enemy forces on a march in Turkey. And this does not seem appropriate.
    1. Andrey.AN 23 February 2020 15: 55 New
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      Such aviation is used for a quick reaction when the pilot personally and quickly conducts on-site reconnaissance of targets. When urgently needed.
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    The probability of being shot down may be more or less, but it is not zero.
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    So what is the article about? For the sake of a few lines - attack aircraft are again involved and work from low altitudes - have they released an entire article? Well ok, now we are aware that there may be losses among the SU-25.
  • Victor March 47 23 February 2020 15: 27 New
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    Urrapatriots are insane. It is written what and how. Perhaps there will be dead pilots.
    We don’t have to see in the normal number of calibers or something like jaesem that the Americans rivet like pies. Otherwise, how to explain the risk to pilots instead of missiles more expensive.

    Humanitarianism, you need to move to the hut, as his main idol V.I. Lenin, who covered the whole world proletariat with his care, wrote the February theses, sold an apartment, sold a car and loaned money for the Caliber rocket. Perhaps the tail is enough. Work with mobilizing the likes. You can collect it in an osprey. But not by a large number. For we have not so many freaks.
  • Victor March 47 23 February 2020 15: 34 New
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    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    So what is the article about? For the sake of a few lines - attack aircraft are again involved and work from low altitudes - have they released an entire article? Well ok, now we are aware that there may be losses among the SU-25.

    Fools are only concerned about their own ass. But they, due to their underdevelopment, do not understand that the mass of aviation crushes the enemy as massively as they use it massively. Unfortunately, the intervention of external forces, of the same Turks, leads to an escalation of hostilities. But not accepting additional pressure will prompt the ENEMY to think about his victory. Which is completely unacceptable.
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: "... from a distant height. In this regard, they enter the battle formations of the enemy from a low altitude." The end of the quote.
    Adhering to a given style, it should have been written "from near heights."
    In essence. "Return" is possible. Question: Do pilots have the necessary training and ammunition? What will be the result, combat and non-combat losses. In other words, will the combat effectiveness be sufficient? Aviation should be used to isolate the war zone, destroying enemy forces on a march in Turkey. And this does not seem appropriate.

    It seems appropriate to use ALL types of aviation. Nobody talked about REPLACING high-altitude applications with more vulnerable ones, as well as shelling with "Caliber", I do not exclude the use of Iskander. If there is a "Point" there, why not replenish this park with more modern ones?
  • shadow 23 February 2020 19: 14 New
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    Where did the data come from? Who voiced them?
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      Quote: Shadows
      Where did the data come from? Who voiced them?

      military review.
  • Mikhail Anokhin_2 23 February 2020 21: 32 New
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    Should there be a means of counteracting these anti-aircraft complexes?
  • Lucy 23 February 2020 22: 41 New
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    I read it. Horror. Not just commentators-sofas, but hunchbacks, bespectacles, flat feet, color blinds and other “flight personnel” of IA, ShA, FBA corresponding to the RF Ministry of Defense, No. 455 — who study the Internet tactics of the Air Force with SS stamp ..
  • Pushkar 24 February 2020 00: 09 New
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    “High Altitude”, “Low Altitude” - but is there anyone who knows Russian in the editorial staff?
  • shadow 24 February 2020 00: 19 New
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    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    Quote: Shadows
    Where did the data come from? Who voiced them?

    military review.

    And from the Military Review, where did they come from? Have you come up with?
  • surok1 24 February 2020 07: 01 New
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    It makes sense for the Rooks to fly in units of 4 pieces, to put the nurses so that they could not raise their heads. One bombed, immediately the next, while the previous claws tear. And I hope that in the nomenclature of nurses there is cumulative shrapnel.
  • Olya Tsako 24 February 2020 09: 22 New
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    You can shoot the continuation of the film "Heavenly Slow-moving-2." With chief editor "Besogon".
  • Fighter 24 February 2020 09: 30 New
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    The article is a frank fake. There are no rooks there now !!!
  • FCSO 24 February 2020 13: 19 New
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    Are you tired of carrying crap?
    How to understand this, (quote) "These machines are not able to adequately hit the ground forces of the enemy from a distant height"?
    The Su-25 is almost completely re-equipped with Hephaestus equipment!
  • Fishery 24 February 2020 13: 53 New
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    why they do not use AVBPM I'm sorry for them or something to throw a couple of pieces)))))) it’s interesting