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As The Intercept points out in a February 21 article, Prince, the heir to a billion-dollar fortune and believed to be an ally of United States President Donald Trump, is under federal investigation. He is charged with illegal actions with two aircraft built in the USA for pollination of plants, which were turned into stormtroopers.

This technique was deployed as part of PMC units. In violation of trade rules weapons Prince sought either to sell ground support aircraft, or to engage them in mercenary operations in the interests of Azerbaijan and in a number of African states.

According to the publication, Prince has long been striving to adapt single-engine agricultural aircraft into light attack aircraft, which, in his opinion, can bring a revolution to the way of conducting small wars. These two cars were the first prototypes in Prince's program, trying to create an inexpensive private air force.

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Comments

[Sergey39]

Another series of "Bulldogs under the carpet"

[bessmertniy]

They do not allow the business that invented the American corn-workers to rise.

[Shurik70]

Just the arms lobby is one of the strongest in the USA.
And they won’t let anyone get into their sandbox.
And the one who tries to bring down prices is not just "wrapped up", but approximately punished. For your edification.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sergey39

Another series of "Bulldogs under the carpet"

It’s also interesting where Prince managed to screw up: the uproot of the American government, he visited the country 404 just now in the interests of this government, and there is a surprise: the same government put the FBI on its tail. As the Poles say there - panas fight, at lackeys forelocks crack..

[Proton]

Ah well done, I turned plywood into an attack aircraft

[Krasnodar]

Sold like plywood)).

[LiSiCyn]

Not sold, but tried ...
Hi Albert!
Are you on duty?

[Krasnodar]

Hi Stas!
Yes, I’m on duty for a steward - teeth are cut, sleeps badly))
They caught the hand in time - because it set foot.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Krasnodar

They caught the hand in time - because it set foot.

Oh, these teeth ... At first they cut, then they hurt, but in the end they generally fall out ... Some problems with them.

[Krasnodar]

Do not say
So sweetly fell asleep - and it began
First, electronics are supplied, then weapons, then the machine itself with hanging cylinders for herbicide pesticides. Everything is being assembled on site. Weapons are shipped through a third country. More expensive or less fat - but more reliable)).
But then what Azerbaijanis or others will install on such an airplane is not his problem

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Krasnodar

Azerbaijanis

To use in Karabakh? I doubt it. Knock down the moment. Caspian patrol, poachers, maybe.

[Krasnodar]

I don’t know the tactics of their application - if this goes to the very small - FIGs will notice - the question is what kind of weapons it has. Israeli kamikaze drones worked there - I don’t know how these planes work.

[vfwfr]

Missiles on poachers ... however, it will be expensive, though .. not from our budget, however ..))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Proton

Ah well done, I turned plywood into an attack aircraft

"If you want to live, you will not be so hot." = movie quote. The Koreans converted the An-2 into an attack aircraft.

[vfwfr]

Well .. in Soviet times, the AN-2 didn’t do anything and where it didn’t fly .. There’s a joke ... I didn’t fly into space)))
By the way, not very long ago, the Germans overtook one instance of a bourgeois ... They managed to fly around the statue of liberty)

[Mountain shooter]

I wonder if at the modern level, reincarnate the IL-10? Turboprop engine, titanium armor, a modern set of weapons, three tons ... It is clear that he does not need a shooter, a single aircraft, a battlefield plane. Guns, machine guns, RS-s ... Faster and less vulnerable than a helicopter, cheaper than jet ones, such as the Yak-130 ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I wonder if at the modern level, reincarnate the IL-10? Turboprop engine, titanium armor, a modern set of weapons, three tons ... It is clear that he does not need a shooter, a single aircraft, a battlefield plane. Guns, machine guns, RS-s ... Faster and less vulnerable than a helicopter, cheaper than jet ones, such as the Yak-130 ...

There you have to be smart with electronics, increase the cabin in any way, a powerful motor, etc. As a result, a completely new product will be released, not IL-10)),

[WILL]

Komrad spoke about the concept of piston attack aircraft (specifically about the armored hull as part of a glider). He gave an example of the IL-10 ... he proposed not to modernize the agricultural aviation (formally) but to return to the well-proven old practices!

[Krasnodar]

The idea is correct, the demand is huge - in hybrid wars the most cymes, and the flight is cheaper than any jet fighter

[Lopatov]

Quote: Krasnodar

and the flight is cheaper than any fighter jet

If you fight in Europe. With a developed aerodrome network.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I wonder if at the modern level, reincarnate the IL-10? Turboprop engine, titanium armor, a modern set of weapons, three tons ... It is clear that he does not need a shooter, a single aircraft, a battlefield plane. Guns, machine guns, RS-s ... Faster and less vulnerable than a helicopter, cheaper than jet ones, such as the Yak-130 ...

And what does not suit you Su-25? He will far surpass all your desires. Moreover, a ready-made, tested and proven machine.

[Undecim]

His subject was the alleged fraud associated with the transformation of agricultural seaplanes into military vehicles for their further use in Azerbaijan and Africa.
Apparently, we are talking about the Thrush Aircraft company converted from Georgia, the Thrush 710 aircraft into an Archangel combat vehicle.
Where did the author of the news find seaplanes? And the companies have beguiled.
Thrush 710 aircraft manufactured by Thrush Aircraft from Albany (Georgia) will be converted to Ichangax (Muresville, North Carolina) reconnaissance and strike machine Archangel Border Patrol Aircraf. She does this completely legally, starting in 2012 and regularly showing her equipment at air shows in Le Bourget and Dubai. Today is the third modification of Block 3.

Emirates bought 24 cars, Egypt ordered 12 units.
How Prince is going to "sew" this case is not yet clear. Not for nothing, in an interview about his possible release from prison, he replied: "Not under this guy."

[Disorder]

On such an attack aircraft only against natives with bows and arrows to fight or hunt for excavators.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

These are inexpensive means of warfare with unarmed (Papuans, people, it doesn’t matter). You see, the carts (buggies) have already returned)). And the guy was tied up because he imprudently repeated the licensed decision, so I think. PMC decided to save on disposable airplanes by refusing to purchase from a direct manufacturer.

[svp67]

From an agricultural airplane to attack aircraft .... well, you can make any suspension points on it as much as you like, but it still won’t be a full-fledged attack aircraft, since it’s not clear how the issue of protecting the pilot and critical aircraft elements from bullets and fragments is resolved.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: svp67

From an agricultural airplane to attack aircraft .... well, you can make any suspension points on it as much as you like, but it still won’t be a full-fledged attack aircraft, since it’s not clear how the issue of protecting the pilot and critical aircraft elements from bullets and fragments is resolved.

Widespread misconception. it would be naive to think that the Americans are completely stupid. Firstly, these vehicles are well protected by ceramic and polymer armor, and secondly, they are mainly intended for using high-precision ammunition outside of anti-aircraft fire. The photo shows it.
In the public domain there are statistics on the use of light counterinsurgency aircraft with turboprop engines. These cars flew many thousands of hours without casualties.

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

outside anti-aircraft fire

But besides anti-aircraft guns, there are also anti-aircraft missiles, the range of which is commensurate, and even exceeds the range of use of the missiles placed on this plane

[zyablik.olga]

And someone planning to use these machines against the Russian Aerospace Forces?

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

And someone planning to use these machines against the Russian Aerospace Forces?

And only the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have missiles? As I understand it, Armenia also has them

Quote: zyablik.olga

Firstly, these machines are well protected by ceramic and polymer armor, and secondly

Sorry, but hard to believe. What is the carrying capacity of the original aircraft? The fact that it carries a lot of external suspensions, so if the armor is there, then it is most likely in the form of body armor and a protective helmet on the pilot, that is, the minimum

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: svp67

Sorry, but hard to believe. What is the carrying capacity of the original aircraft? The fact that it carries a lot of external suspensions, so if the armor is there, then it is most likely in the form of body armor and a protective helmet on the pilot, that is, the minimum

All this is freely available, including statistics on combat use. Ballistic protection of the cabin and the main units keeps rifle armor-piercing bullets hit at right angles from 300 m.

Quote: svp67

And only the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have missiles? As I understand it, Armenia also has them

If you talk like that, then you can refuse from combat helicopters. Or do you want to say that the security of specialized turboprop attack aircraft is worse than that of helicopters?
The armor of critical nodes on an airplane can be even higher. In addition, the aircraft does not have a large rotor and a tail boom with a propeller and gearbox. The thermal signature of a turboprop aircraft is lower, and the flight speed is higher.

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

Or do you want to say that the security of specialized turboprop attack aircraft is worse than that of helicopters?

Specialized Russian combat helicopters - YES, better protected and their maneuverability higher

[zyablik.olga]

Let's compare the security of A-29 "Supertukano" and "Apache", as well as their vulnerabilities? The helicopter's only advantage is its ability to hover and maneuver at minimum speed. At the same time, the airplane has a higher flight speed and it is more difficult to get into it.

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

Let's compare the security of A-29 "Supertukano" and "Apache", as well as their vulnerabilities?

Why did you suddenly decide "cardboard" AN-64, take our MI-24, MI-28 or KA-52.
And even if you take it, then the use of over-the-body radar is already a huge plus, in comparison with the A-29

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: svp67

Why did you suddenly decide "cardboard" AN-64, take our MI-24, MI-28 or KA-52.

Of all these vehicles, the AN-64 is significantly superior to only the Ka-52 in terms of security.

Quote: svp67

And even if you take it, then the use of over-the-body radar is already a huge plus, in comparison with the A-29

Do we have many helicopters with radar?
Perhaps you do not know, but for the A-29 a radar was created in its capabilities superior to any over-muzzle.
But that's not the point. We compare extremely expensive anti-tank helicopters with counterguerrilla aircraft. The main advantage of a turboprop attack aircraft over a helicopter is the significantly lower flight hour price, and shorter preparation time for a second flight. Nevertheless, under equal conditions, the survival of a turboprop attack aircraft will be higher than that of a helicopter.

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

The main advantage of a turboprop attack aircraft over a helicopter is the significantly lower flight hour price, and shorter preparation time for a second flight.

Do you have specific numbers to compare?

[zyablik.olga]

This was repeatedly written at VO, for example here:
https://topwar.ru/160803-protivostojanie-amerikanskoj-aviacionnoj-tehniki-s-vertoletami-mi-35-i-mi-17-v-afganistane.html

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

https://topwar.ru/160803-protivostojanie-amerikanskoj-aviacionnoj-tehniki-s-vertoletami-mi-35-i-mi-17-v-afganistane.html

I read it. But a lot, not very objective. The toucan is not able to carry an assault force, and Mi-8, 17, 24, 35 can do this, because they are heavier, and therefore more expensive to operate. A comparison with the Mi-28 or AN-64 would be more interesting ... And I do not agree that a speed of 500-600 km / h saves from MANPADS ...

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: svp67

I read it. But a lot, not very objective. The toucan is not able to carry an assault force, and Mi-8, 17, 24, 35 can do this, because they are heavier, and therefore more expensive to operate.

We talk about percussion tasks, right? What does the landing have to do with it? Mi-28 and Ka-52 landing, too, are incapable of carrying.

Quote: svp67

Yes, and I do not agree that a speed of 500-600 km / h saves from MANPADS ...

Sorry, but what kind of air target is easier to hit, flying at a speed of 300 or 600 km / h, and who will quickly get out of attack, a helicopter or a turboprop attack aircraft? You also, for some reason, forget that the thermal and acoustic visibility of a turboprop aircraft is significantly less.

[svp67]

Quote: zyablik.olga

What does the landing have to do with it? Mi-28 and Ka-52 landing, too, are incapable of carrying.

Here it is necessary to compare them.

Quote: zyablik.olga

You also, for some reason, forget that the thermal and acoustic visibility of a turboprop aircraft is significantly less.

Actually, MANPADS are already equipped with combined GOS, now it doesn’t save much from them

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: svp67

Actually, MANPADS are already equipped with combined GOS, now it doesn’t save much from them

However, the thermal visibility of the aircraft directly affects the capture range of the seeker and the effectiveness of interference. And hence the vulnerability to MANPADS. And you can compare how many turboprop attack aircraft were lost from MANPADS and how many helicopters over the past 10 years.

[zyablik.olga]

The cost of an hour of flight of the Mi-35 is approximately $ 2000.

[rotmistr60]

Everyone tries to earn as much as they can and according to their capabilities. Eric Prince began to strain, most likely because of his ties with Trump. It is not entirely clear what the "fraud" consists in when converting an aircraft for agricultural needs into a light attack aircraft, or does it mean fraud in the sale?

[Sarcasm]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Quote: Krasnodar

Azerbaijanis

To use in Karabakh? I doubt it. Knock down the moment. Caspian patrol, poachers, maybe.

It is unlikely that the Azerbaijanis are the final buyer, most likely through them it should have gone to another country, as in the story with the Bulgarian arms and the Azerbaijani airline. Deflection and joint business with a new "big brother". It would have gone where the Bulgarian weapons were.

Judge for yourself, the Georgians sold all the documentation for the Su-25 to Azerbaijan, equipped and trained personnel at a former aircraft repair plant, we supply engines, Israel stuffing. Theoretically, they can now produce Su-25 from scratch, but it’s much easier and cheaper to buy dryers from Belarus and Eastern Europe, repair, remotorize and modernize on-board electronics. Yes, and much further, they already have two drying regiments in terms of quantity, all the more so the Turkish KR hanged on them, that is, they can also be beaten from outside the zones of destruction of air defense systems in Karabakh and Armenia.
For comparison, we also have two polks of dryers, but to the whole south, and these are three regions and a bunch of republics, and they are smaller than any of our region. There are two Mi-24 / -35 regiments, up to the Mi-8 / -17 pile in the support and anti-tank variant. In short, like a fool wrappers. Plus a cherry on the cake - we and the Turks are preparing them for FREE pilots.
And why the hells of corn? ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Sarkazm

And why the hells of corn? ...

The material has the following rationale:

This technique was deployed as part of PMC units. In violation of the rules of the arms trade, Prince sought to either sell ground support planes or deploy them in operations of mercenaries in the interests of Azerbaijan and in a number of African states.

[irontom]

Complete nonsense, a modern aircraft is the sum of technology, even with hollow documentation, starting production from scratch is very, very expensive. Ukraine, as it were, having a backlog from the USSR and a plant for the production of modern engines, so far has not even been able to start production of those machines that it previously produced in cooperation with Russia. Ukraine even normal repair owls. cannot organize aviation equipment. What is being done is profanity, because without the normal components, the extension and re-extension of old components and assemblies is a way to nowhere. And Azerbaijan - everything is clear here.
In 08th in Zhulyany, he was an engineer taking the An-24 after rem. factory, if the well done dismantled the glider assembled, here with aggregates extension stamp and new paint. Because there was nowhere to repair these units.

[Lamata]

And what, normally, you can’t drive serious barmaleys, but for the little things, it’ll do.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Lamata

but for the little things will do.

Type of poaching fishermen.

[Fishery]

it’s always a pity when a new product is prevented from being born in this way, I wonder how it will come out, application tactics, reviews, some kind of steampunk)

[Sarcasm]

Quote: irontom

Complete nonsense, a modern aircraft is the sum of technology, even with hollow documentation, starting production from scratch is very, very expensive. Ukraine, as it were, having a backlog from the USSR and a plant for the production of modern engines, so far has not even been able to start production of those machines that it previously produced in cooperation with Russia. Ukraine even normal repair owls. cannot organize aviation equipment. What is being done is profanity, because without the normal components, the extension and re-extension of old components and assemblies is a way to nowhere. And Azerbaijan - everything is clear here.
In 08th in Zhulyany, he was an engineer taking the An-24 after rem. factory, if the well done dismantled the glider assembled, here with aggregates extension stamp and new paint. Because there was nowhere to repair these units.

Once again for those who are in the tank. From scratch, the Su-25 was manufactured by the Tbilisi aircraft factory, and by the way, it produced them after the collapse of the USSR more than we did, if we produced new Su-25s at all. He could have missed the news, but in Ulan-Ude we did not produce new Su-25s, we only modernized the ones at aircraft repair plants.
After 08.08.08 we stopped supplying engines to Georgia, there was only a one-time supply at the request of Turkmenistan, so that the Georgians would complete the assembly of one or two Su-25 Scorpions for them. Without engines, Georgians sold everything they had to Azerbaijanis. At the same time, they completed part of the gliders themselves in Tbilisi and at the Azerbaijani plant (former Soviet aircraft repair) they just installed the engines, and then handed them over! documentation and equipment, organized a line, officially it was called, created "posts and workplaces with their certification" for repair and blah blah. Some of the specialists moved to Azerbaijan from Georgia, there were remnants of local personnel, we, the Turks and the Israelis, helped.
So, in essence, this is the same Tbilisi plant moved to Azerbaijan and, if necessary, and if desired, it can produce Su-25 from scratch without problems with supplies from our enterprises. In the meantime, they have completed everything that was in store with the Georgians and will upgrade all of their Su-25s to the Su-25 Scorpio level in a more advanced version - the Israelis additionally supply rebuild systems for self-defense, etc., plus their Turkish SOM can carry drying with equipment from Turkish Aselsan.
For a country that is smaller in size than most of our regions, the number of dryers that is already more than enough, do not have the opportunity to buy dryers abroad, they now have no problem building them from scratch.
What is this nonsense? ...

Immediately, in my opinion, I read that their Su-25 with the SOM CD can destroy most of the relatively large ships of the Turkmen or Iranian fleets in the Caspian that do not have sufficient air defense systems. And no one thought about the fact that outside the base, our "rocket chests" with Caliber are just as defenseless against these CDs? ... This is so, by the way, and on the spite of the day - Azerbaijan is Turkey's ally ...

[Captain Nemo]

An interesting trend in aviation. In the USSR, this topic, in contrast to the Russian Federation, was taken seriously. One of the Soviet developments launched before the bourgeois coup is the "doomsday" stormtrooper in the following versions:

The use of a turboprop engine in a promising attack aircraft was dictated by the following considerations:
1. Small (relative to reactive) fuel consumption.
2. Low noise
3. “Cold” exhaust.
4. TV-3-117 engines are widely used in helicopters.