RF and ATS before a serious choice. Consequences of the construction of fortified areas of the Turkish NE near Ed-Dan


While numerous Syrian and domestic military-analytical portals, citing information from military commanders and SAA troops staying at strongholds near the M5 motorway, continue to replete with reports of the successful and rapid advance of the mechanized units of the Syrian army in the eastern operational direction of Big Idlib , focusing the audience on the inviolability of the position of the CAA command, even against the background of threats and ultimative rhetoric from the head of the Turkish defense department X Ulusi Akar and President of the Republic of Turkey Recep Erdogan, the real operational-tactical alignment in the northwestern regions of the Idlib theater of operations continues to be extremely controversial.


The operational-tactical alignment on the Idlib theater almost leaves Damascus and Moscow no time to think


In particular, despite the recent suppression of the firing positions of the militant Islamist formation Tahrir al-Sham in the villages of Kafr-Amma and Kafr-Dail, the currently successful development of the Syrian government’s offensive will be relevant only until the assault units of the SAA enter the eastern approaches to Kafr-Karmin, Turmanin and Al-Beitarun, who are the main links in a hurried manner erected the first line of defense of the Turkish Northeast in the north-eastern part of the "Idlib viper." The complexity of the breakthrough of this defensive line is due to several factors of an operational-tactical nature.

Firstly, the construction in the three above-mentioned cities of the powerful fortified areas of the Turkish army, which have not only standard observation posts with stationary and mobile optical-electronic, radio-technical and radar artillery reconnaissance systems, but also impressive anti-tank arsenals based on the TOW-2A / B self-propelled anti-tank systems, equipped with anti-tank guided projectiles BGM-71E and BGM-71F, as well as anti-tank / multi-purpose missile systems UMTAS / OMTAS. As you know, the former have a semi-automatic control system for wires, as well as tandem cumulative warheads and warheads of the "shock core" type with the ability to destroy obsolete MBTs of the T-72B family, equipped with DZ type Contact-5 and without active defense complexes.

The more advanced anti-tank guided missiles of the 3rd generation UMTAS / OMTAS anti-tank systems, developed by the Turkish military-industrial concern Roketsan and put into serial production on August 24, 2018, are equipped with the new generation IIR dual-band TV / IR GOS operating in television and medium-wave infrared (3-5 microns) ranges. At the same time, the medium wave infrared photodetector type IIR (“Imaging Infrared”) boasts not only the standard mode of direction finding, tracking, and “capture” of the most heat-contrasting areas tanks and enemy self-propelled guns (a weapon during active fire work and the engine-transmission compartment), but also by the regime for generating a detailed infrared “portrait” of the target with identification of the most vulnerable sections of the enemy unit.

This type of infrared seeker allows UMTAS / OMTAS anti-tank missiles to dive at a target at angles of up to 90 degrees (and in some cases with negative angles) in the terminal section of the trajectory, which can be seen in the Roketsan video demonstration materials posted on YouTube in 2019. It is logical to assume that even the presence of Drozd-2 and Arena-M active defense systems, whose guidance radars and transport-launch mortars cover the elevated sector in the range of only 0 to 20 °, will not protect the Syrian T-72A / M1 / B from the latest Turkish ATGM UMTAS / OMTAS.

The second and no less significant factor, which excludes the rapid breakthrough of the Syrian army units deep into the northern areas of the Greater Idlib, is the small geographical dispersion of the fortified areas of the first line of defense of the Turkish NE and Tahrir al-Sham, erected in the cities of Kafr-Karmin, Turmanin and Al- Beitarun. Unlike, for example, from the Turkish Armed Forces support / observation posts Nos. 9 and 10, which are tens of kilometers apart, the aforementioned fortified areas are located no more than 5-7 km from each other, which completely excludes the possibility of moving mechanized units of the SAA, bypassing the radius of destruction of the ATGMs of the TOW-2, UMTAS / OMTAS family, anti-tank artillery, as well as the main M60T Mk.2 Sabra battle tanks equipped with 120-mm MG253 guns with very decent ballistic parameters.

Thirdly, in addition to the first defense line described above, the Turkish army's engineering units erected a second and third defense line, the echelons of fortified areas stationed in the cities of Sarmad, Ed-Dan, Tell-Adeh, Tennura, Ash-Shayuh Hassan, Zarzitah and Katurah. In the vicinity of these settlements, the batteries of the self-propelled guns T-155 "Firtina" and MLRS T-122 "Sakarya" are deployed, the operators of which are ready to join the counter-battery "pick-up" with artillery batteries of the Syrian Arab army any minute. At the same time, do not forget that all the firing positions of the Turkish artillery will be covered by the multifunctional F-16C Block 50+ fighters of the Turkish Air Force operating in the following terrain (hiding from the Russian S-400 deployed near the Khmeimim Aviation Aviation), as well as numerous air defense systems, including the upgraded SAM "Hawk / -PIP-R".

This is evidenced by the recent relocation to the Khatay silt (to the Turkish-Syrian border) of the Koral electronic warfare complex, which can both carry out electronic and electronic reconnaissance and partially cover the limited sectors of Idlib from PFAR radars Sh-141 mounted on multi-role fighters bombers of the Su-34. Conclusion: the successful suppression of the numerous fortified areas of the Turkish NE in the so-called Idlib de-escalation zone, as well as the opposition to tactical aviation The Turkish Air Force (against the background of the SAA offensive operation) can be carried out only with the integrated use of all tactical aircraft deployed at the Khmeimim air base in conjunction with the recently deployed Tu-214R strategic optoelectronic and radar reconnaissance aircraft, which has the most interference-protected in Russian VKS AFAR radar side view MRK-411.

The provision of the “green light” for the command of the Syrian air defense forces to use the Buk-M2E military air defense systems against Turkish aviation can also contribute. Further forecasting of scenarios for the development of the situation on the Idlib theater may be objective only after analyzing the results of negotiations between senior representatives of the Russian and Turkish establishments in Moscow.
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  1. Andrey VOV 18 February 2020 04: 45 New
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    If the author Damantsev is asked to write that 2 on, 2 is 4, he will divorce people there about each digit and stuff, strategist
    1. FORCE 38GB 18 February 2020 05: 41 New
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      Chewed and laid out on shelves so to speak .. laughing
    2. Aaron Zawi 18 February 2020 08: 36 New
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      Well, we'll see.
      1. Ros 56 18 February 2020 09: 05 New
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        Well, why are you kidding me? I don’t know any Arabic language. Carefully mark everything on the map, sign it in Russian and then lay it out. laughing
    3. Demagogue 18 February 2020 11: 43 New
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      This article is especially enchanting. Especially the onset of the "mechanized" Assad compounds. Theoretically, a column of pickups and vans with one two tanks or an infantry fighting vehicle is mechanized. By the standards of 1939. Assad has real full-blooded units with a regular number of tanks sitting in Damascus. They are on rough terrain and in the building showed complete failure. In fact, saa, hezbollah, ksir, Wagnerians, etc. differ from the Barmalei in organization inessentially. A little more tanks and infantry fighting vehicles that are used as sau, but nothing more. In general, more artifacts and there is air support. And it works. Also smiled passage about the tow towers, which have been with barmales in commodity quantities for a long time. Actually, this "long arm" makes the defense of light infantry competitive against armor. So hezbollah stopped Aoi in Lebanon extreme times.
      1. dauria 18 February 2020 12: 34 New
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        In fact, saa, hezbollah, ksir, Wagnerians, etc. differ from the Barmalei in organization inessentially. A little more tanks and infantry fighting vehicles that are used as sau, but only

        At least someone looks soberly. You read Damantsev, so the assault on Konigsberg is being prepared. Where then are 3 thousand railway cars with artillery ammunition, trains of fuel, huge cargo flows from grub with water to footcloths and cartridges, where there are medical battalions littered with corpses and wounded? If there is enough air support by the forces of one regiment from one airfield - even to the exercises of the motorized rifle division, minuscule.
        1. Paranoid50 18 February 2020 13: 07 New
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          Quote: dauria
          If there is enough air support from the forces of one regiment from one airport, even to the exercises of the motorized rifle division, minuscule.

          So, for a long time the wedges of tank armies did not tear apart the defense of the adversary and did not carry out hundred-kilometer raids with sweeps - the fighting became compact.
          It is possible that for the time being, but certainly not on this theater.
        2. Paranoid50 18 February 2020 22: 51 New
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          Quote: dauria
          At least someone looks soberly.

          Well, judging by the reaction of the contingent to our part of the branch, " few can do it, not only everything "(C) laughing
    4. YakimovSS 18 February 2020 12: 53 New
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      Surprised that the TTX is not scheduled this time. But the author’s emphasis is recognized from the third paragraph.
      1. Paranoid50 18 February 2020 13: 08 New
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        Quote: YakimovSS
        Surprised that TTX is not scheduled this time

        laughing Yes, this time Eugene stinted on the digital, limiting himself to listing types and names, but he did not regret the letters. yes
  2. FORCE 38GB 18 February 2020 05: 39 New
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    It will be difficult now to squeeze the Turk home from the province .. One thing is good, NATO will not stick up for the Turks, so the ardor of the Sultan should decrease slightly .. Unfortunately, now is not on the side of the SAA, but it needs to be pushed !!! Ahead is the border! We believe in you Assad! Good luck, and as little as possible losses! good
    1. Alex Russia 18 February 2020 09: 14 New
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      And why would NATO help the Turks, did Syria attack Turkey and the Syrian army occupied Turkish cities?
      1. bessmertniy 18 February 2020 10: 03 New
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        Trump has already shown NATO an example that you should not get into Idlib. repeat Americans have no interest in dying for the Turks. no
    2. Paul Siebert 18 February 2020 14: 23 New
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      Ahead is the border! We believe in you Assad! Good luck, and as little as possible losses! good

      I fully support!
      And then the Ottomans were completely out of control - they send SMS to our ambassador Alexei Erokhov, promise to put a skyscraper out of Russian skulls! angry
      He imagines the shadow of Tamerlane behind his own tanks!
      Throw bash-bazouks back to Hatay. So that their spirit was not in Syria! am
      1. Vladimir Varlamov 19 February 2020 09: 20 New
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        Why Tamerlane? Do they really have no idols in the history? Tamerlan, just kicked their ass, and drove their sultan with him in a cage, like a trained monkey.
        1. Paul Siebert 19 February 2020 16: 34 New
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          Timur built mounds of skulls ... crying
  3. nikvic46 18 February 2020 06: 10 New
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    The author is a true military observer. Why didn’t he be at VO for a long time?
    1. rotmistr60 18 February 2020 06: 18 New
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      For some reason, he was not at VO for a long time.
      It does not happen that Damantseva does not exist for a long time (sorry for the tautology). And the fact that he chews every detail to the smallest detail, which for some reason some do not like, is a plus to him. The only often impossible thing to understand is whether we will give up or will be allowed to live.
      1. Alex Russia 18 February 2020 09: 18 New
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        Quote: rotmistr60
        For some reason, he was not at VO for a long time.
        It does not happen that Damantseva does not exist for a long time (sorry for the tautology). And the fact that he chews every detail to the smallest detail, which for some reason some do not like, is a plus to him. The only often impossible thing to understand is whether we will give up or will be allowed to live.

        If at the very first bunch of some kind of Turkey there we are ready to immediately pull our paws to the top, what can we say then about China, the USA, etc., let's give up right away.
        If we bend there (in Syria), and even before Turkey, then nobody in the world will respect us, and they will wipe our feet
    2. Siberian 66 18 February 2020 07: 49 New
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      You know, enumerating the performance characteristics of various weapons does not mean anything at all. The first one. It must be able to apply. The second one. It must be used in conditions of the strongest electronic warfare, so if it comes to kneading, electronic warfare will immediately disrupt the communication and control channels. The second side will massively use the barreled and rocket artillery, which will destroy a significant part of everything that the Turks dragged into Syria. And the tanks will go behind the fire shaft. Look at the experience of the recent war in one nearby country. RER, EW, reconnaissance and artillery gunners have decided almost everything.
  4. Thrifty 18 February 2020 06: 11 New
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    Eugene, you write well, you need to be a consultant at the General Staff. No one says that there will be a leego. But now, the question is, are the Turks ready for the mass flow of coffins with their military? Why should they die for stolen oil, and for Erdogad’s personal ambitions? Now, if Turkey had been attacked from outside, or invaded, then the losses would have been justified - they died for the whole country! And to die for a stranger, and on a foreign land, the Turks are not eager. Therefore, they threw mass-lured militants to slaughter.
    1. for
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Why should they die for stolen oil, and for Erdogad’s personal ambitions? Now, if Turkey had been attacked from outside, or invaded, then the losses would have been justified - they died for the whole country!

      This can be said about us.
    2. Nyrobsky 18 February 2020 09: 11 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Why should they die for stolen oil, and for Erdogad’s personal ambitions?
      More likely for the second. Preserving the Idlib viper, Turkey is trying to maintain its influence on regional processes in the post-war period, since having lost its control over this area, the main solvers will be Syria, Iran and Russia, leaving the Turks resolving issues with the Kurds, but with truncated trump cards.
  5. Adam Khomich 18 February 2020 06: 13 New
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    Sultan and wants and pricks! If the Turks enter into a direct clash with the SAA, then the Kurds can seize this moment and strengthen their partisan actions.
    And as history shows, it will be very difficult for the Turks to fight on two fronts!
    1. Altai72 18 February 2020 09: 16 New
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      Turks against 23 countries fought in WWII. Whom it did not bring there, from Anzacs to the British, from the French to the Greeks ... So, chickens in the fall count.
      1. ultra 18 February 2020 15: 13 New
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        So, chickens count in the fall.

        They are already plucking the Turks, and by autumn they will be in the soup. laughing
      2. Paranoid50 18 February 2020 22: 55 New
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        Quote: Altai72
        chickens

        I apologize, a little hint: in the Russian Language there are only THREE exclusion words in which “Y” is written after the letter “C”, namely: gypsies, chicken, chicks (on tiptoe). In all other cases, the letter "I" is written. hi
        1. Thunderbolt 18 February 2020 23: 15 New
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          A gypsy tiptoed over to the chicken and said, "Tsyts!
        2. Altai72 19 February 2020 12: 34 New
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          Truncated, will not happen again wink
  6. Mountain shooter 18 February 2020 06: 20 New
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    TTX ATGM can be listed. But they do not determine the capabilities of the troops. What "catch" the Turks in the fortified areas? These are not concrete Maginot line bunkers! Common field fortifications. I believe their Syrians will not storm. They will bypass and block, if possible ... The Syrians have something to suppress these "fortified areas."
    The Turks will not sit in the blockade for long ...
  7. Amateur 18 February 2020 07: 25 New
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    Another nonsense from E.D. List of titles.
    Everything will be determined by political decisions of Russia, Turkey, the USA and Israel.
    Everything else is “from the evil one”
  8. Lamata 18 February 2020 07: 40 New
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    So what to do then? stand or give up?
    1. Alex Russia 18 February 2020 09: 24 New
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      If at the very first bunch of some kind of Turkey there we are ready to immediately pull our paws to the top, what can we say then about China, the USA, etc., let's give up right away.
      If we bend there (in Syria), and even before Turkey, then nobody in the world will respect us, and they will wipe our feet
    2. knn54 18 February 2020 10: 17 New
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      Maybe even the author is aware that they brought three An-124s to Khmeimim IMMEDIATELY?
      1. Titus 19 February 2020 11: 59 New
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        I don’t understand ... cons for disclosing state secrets
  9. Livonetc 18 February 2020 08: 31 New
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    That's interesting.
    And how fortified are these fortified areas in terms of countering, for example, Point U missiles?
  10. 7,62h54 18 February 2020 08: 54 New
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    And if the Turks block the straits, what will the Dear Head answer?
    1. Lamata 18 February 2020 08: 59 New
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      immediately remember that they are partners.
    2. Winnie76 18 February 2020 09: 17 New
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      This is a reason for war. Interestingly, someone from NATO will fit in for a small but proud Turkey. I think no. And in what place will this Nato be? Well, if it does not protect its members.
      1. Altai72 18 February 2020 09: 22 New
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        Do not believe everything said! Today in politics, this trend has begun: At night in one bed, and in the morning, "Do we know each other?" The Germans have already lifted the arms embargo for Turkey. Pakistan pledges support up to manpower.
        1. Winnie76 18 February 2020 09: 45 New
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          Quote: Altai72
          The Germans have already lifted the arms embargo for Turkey. Pakistan pledges support up to manpower.

          And what does it change. Many will be willing to participate if every night the positions of these fortified areas are fired upon by MLRS and artillery? Well, suppose Germany puts a dozen - another tanks / self-propelled guns.
          1. 7,62h54 18 February 2020 11: 22 New
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            PzH2000 there is no need to drive into the fortified area, it can beat overhead from the depths. Two dozen of these self-propelled guns at a rate of 10 rounds per minute will be able to arrange a large racket.
            1. Paranoid50 18 February 2020 23: 01 New
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              PzH2000 there is no need to drive into the fortified area,

              PzH2000 is no longer the need to produce. The Bundes quietly podshamanivaet, the rest are selling used B / U, like the Dutch drove a party to Lithuania a couple of years ago, some of them on spare parts. And even without the need for the Turkish “Panzergaitsa”, for they actively use their “Firtin”, even sent to fight in Libya. Therefore unlikely
              Quote: 7,62x54
              will be able to arrange a big racket.
        2. Butchcassidy 18 February 2020 10: 10 New
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          Quote: Altai72
          Do not believe everything said! Today in politics, this trend has begun: At night in one bed, and in the morning, "Do we know each other?" The Germans have already lifted the arms embargo for Turkey. Pakistan pledges support up to manpower.


          Why would Pakistan send its military to Syria to support the Turks? He offers to clash with Iran in Syria? or are there few problems with India?
        3. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 27 New
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          Quote: Altai72
          Do not believe everything said!

          Do not believe your eyes and ears. Believe the talker from the Internet!
      2. BIABIA 18 February 2020 09: 43 New
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        This "small" and proud Turkey has the second strongest army in NATO. They will have to be reckoned with whether someone wants to or not. Alas...
        1. Winnie76 18 February 2020 09: 52 New
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          Quote: BIABIA
          They will have to be reckoned with whether someone wants to or not. Alas...

          Be considered yes. To dance to their tune - no. The size of the Turkish army is naturally important, but no more. With a serious kneading against big boys, like the Russian Federation, Turkey is not a tenant
          1. BIABIA 18 February 2020 10: 20 New
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            To dance - no, I definitely agree. One must think that the game is delicate, the Americans are just waiting for the Russian Federation to mate with Turkey. Mixed in a bunch of people, horses ....
            1. Isim soyad 18 February 2020 13: 00 New
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              And I think so, in my opinion, the United States is only waiting for this, so that they mate. That’s why, "like they left Turkey alone." If all this is not agreed in advance between the Russian Federation and the TR, then the US will take advantage of their clash to show themselves.
          2. 2 Level Advisor 18 February 2020 10: 57 New
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            apart from nuclear weapons, Russia will have a very difficult time in the war with Turkey, it’s not Ukraine or Poland .. They have really the strongest army in Europe and they don’t need to transfer anything by sea / air .. Therefore, they will have to solve it somehow politically .. In general, I believe that everything is going according to the scenario, it’s not for nothing that the GDP with Erdogan is in constant contact
          3. Arpad 18 February 2020 12: 22 New
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            Quote: Winnie76
            Quote: BIABIA
            They will have to be reckoned with whether someone wants to or not. Alas...

            Be considered yes. To dance to their tune - no. The size of the Turkish army is naturally important, but no more. With a serious kneading against big boys, like the Russian Federation, Turkey is not a tenant

            And why should Russia mix with Turkey?
            Because of Assad or what?
            1. protoss 18 February 2020 12: 53 New
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              Quote: Arpad
              Because of Assad or what?

              due to the fact that commentators want to go to war.
              1. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 07 New
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                commentators on in want to war

                You are not right.
                In war, I want the Turks. And we only for that, in which case, they ate this war for another 200 years ahead. Well, is that bad?
                1. protoss 18 February 2020 13: 22 New
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                  Quote: Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣
                  You are not right.

                  your comment only confirmed my innocence wink
                  1. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 31 New
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                    Quote: protoss
                    your comment only confirmed my innocence

                    Low level of your intelligence is not my concern hi
                    1. protoss 18 February 2020 13: 36 New
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                      but you don’t need to be rude, you start right after registration, you’ll go to the ban this way
                      1. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 58 New
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                        Quote: protoss
                        but do not be rude

                        When you received a deuce at school, you also considered it rudeness on the part of people evaluating your intellect? This, excuse me, is a clinic. You must be able to soberly look at your abilities.

                        Quote: protoss
                        in the ban

                        Oh, they banyat me here every day)). Depending on the work schedule of one of the moderators, it’s early in the morning or later in the afternoon. Now, it seems, late in the evening they usually banyat.
            2. 2 Level Advisor 18 February 2020 18: 48 New
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              I think there is no need .. this certainly will not be because of Assad
        2. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 12: 57 New
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          Quote: BIABIA
          second in strength

          In terms of numbers. Do not confuse.
        3. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 00 New
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          Quote: BIABIA
          They will have to be reckoned with.

          We have to reckon - we will calculate in the best possible way.
      3. 7,62h54 18 February 2020 09: 44 New
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        The Turks themselves will have enough manpower, after all, is the second largest army in NATO. But NATO can provide “support” with precision weapons instantly. Massive missile attack. There is such an experience. And again there will be an occasion here to discuss why the C300 does not answer, why the Armor was hit. Will the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation and his Minister of Defense have enough political will for not just an answer, but at least to protect Assad’s troops? Or will they look through the pragmatic prism of energy sales to the West and the USA?
      4. The comment was deleted.
    3. flicker 18 February 2020 10: 03 New
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      Such thoughts have already arisen and the answer was given to them:
      "Turkey, the then Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, our famous" Mr. NO ", comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreyevich, speaking informally with American journalists, said in between that he was going to the Mediterranean The Black Sea Fleet of the USSR will need only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR
      1. protoss 18 February 2020 10: 51 New
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        this bike can be procrastinated as much as you like, but in reality these are completely Turkish straits, if they want, they will close it. and even all the nuclear weapons of the world are not able to make a strait.
        as Chavushoglu recently said:
        To exit the Montreux Convention ... It is enough to appeal to one of the participating countries. Turkey does not seek to reject the convention ...

        By the way, the convention gives the Turks the right to close the strait if they consider themselves to be in military danger, a very subjective formulation, in principle, after the death of their soldiers, they can already use this item. and well, if they slow down the Syrian express, you can’t miss out on all of our oil tankers, and suddenly we sent their assad. and it will be much more abruptly than tomatoes. and based on the convention, we can only complain to the League of Nations (nonexistent).
        1. flicker 18 February 2020 10: 55 New
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          in reality
          Do you know reality very well? bully
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            apparently better than you.
            1. flicker 18 February 2020 11: 09 New
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              Oh yeah!
              and even all nuclear weapons of the world not able to make a strait.
              Directly not capable? winked
              It is necessary not only to articulate the text, but sometimes try to understand its meaning. In the same place (in this "bike"), it’s not about the strait, but about the fact that Istanbul WILL NOT. bully
              Or maybe all the nuclear weapons in the world are not capable of doing this?
              1. protoss 18 February 2020 11: 14 New
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                Istanbul is possible, you can’t strait. but Istanbul can only theoretically, because it is a 20 million megalopolis with tens of thousands of citizens of other countries. otvetka in Moscow, etc. It will be necessary, there’s nothing to hope for.
                1. flicker 18 February 2020 12: 36 New
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                  No, of course, I understand that I want to argue. But there are obvious facts: Russia is a nuclear power, Turkey is not. So, Russia has the potential to bang Istanbul (even if it is at least 40 million), and Turkey does not have such a potential. Therefore, we have reason to say so, but Turkey does not. Now, when Turkey becomes a nuclear country, then it can say so. But so far has not become.
                  Z.Y. Once again: "After these words Turkey never raised the question of closing the Bosphorus for the warships of the USSR "
                  1. protoss 18 February 2020 12: 48 New
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                    Once again, this is a bike. such tales, attributing certain phrases to famous personalities a dime a dozen.
                    listen to yourself: ... the Minister of Foreign Affairs ... communicating in an informal (in a bar, in a sauna?) setting with American reporters ... between business (between glasses / leaving the steam room?) ... (and all of a sudden) Turkey will never again ...
                    puff, some nonsense.
                    Russia has the potential to bang Istanbul. Yes.
                    Russia will never do this because it will receive a nuclear response from NATO. Yes
                    even if the Turks block the straits for us? YES
                    so take it easy.
                    1. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 10 New
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                      once again it's a bike

                      This is an allegory. You can not understand.
                    2. Essex62 18 February 2020 13: 49 New
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                      I bet about NATO’s response, although with a powerful, vibrant USSR, the Turks were quiet and peaceful. Whether or not Gromyko’s statement was not significant. You, in principle, are right, but the order to answer is not given by NATO command. Those who give such an order are unlikely to be ready to sit in bunkers until the end of days, for the sake of revenge for the glazed Istanbul. There will be no answer; Erdogan has no vigorous argument. (If there is, however, options are possible)
                      PS And why do you have Russia with a non-capital letter? Random or personal?
                      1. protoss 18 February 2020 14: 35 New
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                        you don’t decide for them. in such things, hope that someone is scared, not worth it, but suddenly not, what shall we do?
                        I write everything with a small letter, laziness
                      2. Essex62 18 February 2020 15: 19 New
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                        Masons would have shied away long ago had they not been shaking their skins. They did not dare even when we had nothing to answer really. Then they had a product and carriers, which we practically had nothing to bring down. They allowed Stalin to restore parity, in the late 90s once again, already to Putin. The Anglo-Saxon Zionists do not have a small intestine. I want to, but it is scary. Alien hands and lives are used to.
                  2. flicker 18 February 2020 16: 07 New
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                    this is a bike. such tales attributing famous people some phrases a dime a dozen

                    Why so sure that this is a bike? Maybe your surname Gromyko?
                    Now, even if it is a bike, and if this bike was put into the mouth of the USSR Minister of Foreign Affairs (note, not ours), then this "bike" probably carries some meaningful meaning!
                    Namely, especially for you: "Russia is a nuclear power, Turkey is not. And that means that Russia has the potential to bang Istanbul, but Turkey does not have such a potential."
                    Well, what is not clear here? request
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              2. meandr51 18 February 2020 14: 01 New
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                And where is Istanbul? It is enough to strip the strip along the strait. It is quite real.
                1. protoss 18 February 2020 14: 08 New
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                  have you been to istanbul drove across the bridge over the strait or maybe sailed on a ferry? there a lot of people live on the banks of the Bosphorus, and half of them are tourists.
                  and there is such a story in architecture that all of Syria put together is not worth the Sultanahmet alone. it is solid unesco.
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                    If there are no Turkish troops there, then you can not clean it up, but just go through. And if there their troops open fire, then let them talk to UNESCO themselves.
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            apparently better than you

            And in your reality, everything is not as it really is
    4. 7,62h54 18 February 2020 13: 17 New
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      These are your phantom pains. There are no legs and hands, but dream of running and grabbing everything.
  11. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 12: 56 New
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    And if the Turks block the straits, what will the Dear Head answer?

    It is high time for the heirs of the 2nd Rome to regain this part of the inheritance.
    There will be a very good moment for the restoration of historical justice.
    1. Essex62 18 February 2020 13: 54 New
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      If you are about Russia, then it was listed by the third Rome.
      1. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 14: 02 New
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        she was considered the third Rome

        Is listed.
        And the third is what kind of heir do you think?
        1. Essex62 18 February 2020 15: 23 New
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          Byzantine.
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            This is with a fright, Russia is now listed? Secular state, with a full set of religions. Yes, with not, extinct yet, the Soviet population, which on priestly ravings, to put it mildly, spit. Third Rome is a political definition of the Russian state, which refers to faith indirectly. A tool to suppress and fool the people. Justification of the power of the rebels.
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              This is what a fright

              Russia - was, is, and, God willing, will be - regardless of the form of government.
              And you are addicted to separatism. Temporal. Someone in space is trying to tear the country apart, and someone in time.
              1. Essex62 18 February 2020 19: 48 New
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                I was "hooked" on the ideas of communism, and since childhood. As a pioneer. Religion is opium for the people. Very precise definition, suppress pain points, instill hope that if not we are our children ... He sees, he will intercede. And at this time, the descendants of the very first gangsters, future princes, and the kings ate a full spoon, passing by inheritance to the children. Uncomplicatedly so, he was born in the family of the prince, it means already above the others, and who does not agree - the guts on the wattle fence. How could it be otherwise, "I'm the boyards of smerd." And why actually, yes because killing was a great ancestor and bent everyone. This in the dashing 90s repeated.
                And the church, the priests provided the ideological justification for this lawlessness with sweet carrots in front of the laity.
  12. ultra 18 February 2020 15: 15 New
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    And if the Turks block the straits, what will the Dear Head answer?

    They will not block, they, like all traders, can count money.
  13. JonnyT 18 February 2020 16: 18 New
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    Will make man-made strait in Turkey
  • Dedok 18 February 2020 09: 51 New
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    until we go there, we don’t find out how and what the Turks have there
    Therefore, we must try and would like a little blood
    1. Altai72 18 February 2020 10: 13 New
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      We already went there. Will it get out?
      1. Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 35 New
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        Quote: Altai72
        We already went there. Will it get out?

        If it doesn’t work out, we will bring you out under the white hands. Turks go home, as they say.
        1. Altai72 18 February 2020 14: 34 New
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          Who are you? Think of yourself as Messing or what? I'm starting to suspect something. There are some “most draffnie” that the Turks seem to be everywhere, are you one of those? laughing
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      2. ultra 18 February 2020 15: 16 New
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        But this is the right question. How are you going to leave the Turks?
  • protoss 18 February 2020 11: 08 New
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    Turks have already caught up with a bunch of people and equipment in idlib and on the border. this is what has been tweeted. but something long-range and they do not need to drag them to the border. and so far they have been involved, it can all be for a fraction of a percent, several times respondingly shooting back at the Asadites.
    if there is an order to start felling the Asad troops there at full height, then it will not seem enough.
    So far, a tacit agreement has been in force in Syria: sponsor countries can wet the natives, but they do not overlap. So the Asadites there are the same proxy Aborigines as green or Kurds.
    if the batch goes, will we decide that we must break this rule?
    1. nov_tech.vrn 18 February 2020 12: 21 New
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      cool protos, well, the main thing for you is that the zerg with the queen will not do anything. Crowded placement of a large amount of equipment
      1. protoss 18 February 2020 12: 31 New
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        so while they simply indicate their presence, or do you think that in case of exacerbation they will still stand in columns along the side of the road?
  • Xenofont 18 February 2020 11: 43 New
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    How many nusra made fortified areas near Aleppo and elsewhere, and the army crushed them regardless of the TOU and MANPADS and the supply of Turkish weapons. Already an emetic reflex from such analytics of "enthusiast" Damantsev as a true graphomaniac.
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    and then I remembered Gorbachev’s strategic thinking, with emphasis on 1 syllable
  • fk7777777 18 February 2020 12: 29 New
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    So, what is it that it’s impossible to use a missile force, apple, of low power, the concentration of missile strikes, so hit, torn, encircled, then what remains behind the missiles to naughty in the rear? ... And shout louder, we say for peace, friendship and clap rockets with apples, and again we are for peace ...
    1. 2 Level Advisor 18 February 2020 18: 58 New
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      Is Russia already at war with Turkey or outplayed in toys?
  • Essex62 18 February 2020 13: 19 New
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    Putin and Erdogan will resolve the issue. There can be no direct conflict between Turkey and the Russian Federation, in principle. There are no unsolvable contradictions and concrete benefits. For the current government of the Russian Federation, a war with a serious adversary is similar to death. She will launch such processes inside, which will remain before the collapse of the half-step. The benefits, in the case of a Pyrrhic victory, are almost zero.
    1. meandr51 18 February 2020 14: 03 New
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      At one time, 1 MV became the cause of revolutions in Russia and the subsequent technological breakthrough. Just a liberal swamp drained ...
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        There, a swamp with such a set of evil spirits was, liberoids, in the modern sense, then did not smell.
    2. Russian Central Asian 18 February 2020 22: 38 New
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      Our guarantor is known for strictly observing personal agreements. And if he once gave Assad a word that he would protect him, then you can be sure that he would put the whole Russian army there rather than move away from his word. A real man soldier
    3. sd000016 18 February 2020 23: 43 New
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      "For the current government of the Russian Federation, a war with a serious adversary is similar to death."

      And what is the war with Russia for Turkey in general and Erdogan in particular. Tomatoes and tourists alone will be enough to cause sensitive damage to the Turkish economy, and this is far from all the levers of economic influence in the hands of Russia.
      1. Essex62 20 February 2020 17: 48 New
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        The Turkish army is comparable in number and conventional armaments to the better trained RF Armed Forces. As the comrade wrote, we’ll put the entire Russian army, but for what? Prove that we are cooler. So, what is next? Here, we won’t get over the enforcement of peace, the Turks will not stop. The big batch will continue. Have to glass. For the peace-loving Russian people, this is not acceptable. You can imagine the nuclear strike of the Russian Federation not in return, but for ... The whole country will "rise to ears", the power of the khan. Given that neither Ulyanov nor Stalin is observed, so far, who will leak to the helm? How will the neighbors look at the bloodless RF? With an appetite? As a communist, I am against such a scenario. Let them agree.
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  • JonnyT 18 February 2020 16: 21 New
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    According to these fortified areas, in the case of a hedgehog, they simply work out the OTK point, and that's all
    1. 7,62h54 18 February 2020 16: 43 New
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      Why waste points. So you can throw and hats.
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        Good name for a new rocket ...
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    1. Charik 19 February 2020 00: 15 New
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      these are fairy tales about millions of Assad killed by you yourself invent or infa from instagram
  • Shahno 18 February 2020 18: 49 New
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    Quote: Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣
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    This is what a fright

    Russia - was, is, and, God willing, will be - regardless of the form of government.
    And you are addicted to separatism. Temporal. Someone in space is trying to tear the country apart, and someone in time.

    Eh. Like this. And we are collecting the country. Thank God.
    Who doesn’t like it. Previously, you had to think. While we were weak ...
    Yes, Meehan. Everything is lost.
  • Empire soldier 18 February 2020 20: 17 New
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    Get this wife, please! Well, or write to the author immediately after the headline, otherwise you start reading, and then suddenly he starts to feel sick ... he squandered a meter and a half of empty scribble - and then all of a sudden it is ... zhenya.
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      Quote: Empire Soldier
      or write to the author immediately after the title,

      This is absolutely unnecessary, because the author is elementarily calculated by the title. laughing So don’t worry - there’s another couple of materials, and you’ll click out Eugene “one at a time”. yes
      1. Titus 19 February 2020 13: 11 New
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        Well, I still don’t pull the headline, but after 2-3 paragraphs I begin to understand.
  • Russian Central Asian 18 February 2020 22: 34 New
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    I think in the coming days everything will be quite interesting there. If our peasants weren’t there, it would be doubly curious, you could even bet on both sides. But since ours are there, I am most interested in ensuring that all of them remain alive. Well, Muslim brothers, let each other cut to the last person even. Neither those nor those do not mind.
  • sd000016 18 February 2020 23: 28 New
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    Mentioning the author of the article about what good fortifications the Turks created in Idlib can only cause a smile. I am not a military specialist, but I am aware that the existing multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) in Syria will instantly turn any Turkish fortified area in Idlib into a deserted desert, along with all tanks and other military equipment. Among others, there are such MLRS that use ammunition to create the so-called volumetric explosion, which will destroy any fortifications. The delivery by the Turks of any military equipment will result in the conversion of this equipment into scrap metal.
  • Miron 19 February 2020 00: 31 New
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    Such issues are resolved only by striking Ankara.
    How many tourists are there now, author?
    How many of these tourists are interested in the affairs of Russia as a country?
    (and they would go to Turkey if they were interested ...)
    1. sergevl 21 February 2020 17: 25 New
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      I did not understand, but forgot about Kiev? But what about the victory parade with the captured Ukrainians and the irrigation machine in Kiev and the denazification of Hohlyatsky evil spirits? Why so far the gas has not been screwed on the pan to the head maydauns? And they promised to wash footcloths in the Indian Ocean .... Eh, you didn’t promise anything .... Aren't you ashamed to be real Russians?
  • Wanderer039 19 February 2020 00: 59 New
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    Well, the F-16 unit 50+ at the Turkish Air Force has only 14 pieces, it’s not very easy to walk around ... another 162 older units 50, a couple of F-35s and this is what modern aircraft in Turkey end with ...
  • Dymik 19 February 2020 22: 35 New
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    I think the negotiations will continue) Volodya will not allow a big war and Assad will not pull against Turkey. (Here tornadoes are needed in large numbers but I don’t think Assad has them) Tornado C is even better)
  • v.biseroff 19 February 2020 22: 46 New
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    Again, I stand for the importance of aligning the accents of Russia and Syria. 1) Eliminate as many terrorists as possible in Syria so that there are fewer of them in our country and the countries of the Eurasian Economic Union. 2) Keep the Assad regime and thus our military bases for an indefinite period. 3) Not engage in open armed confrontation with any country in the Middle East because this contradicts the paradigm of the development of Russian relations in this region since the times of the USSR. 4) Always observe your own interests and consistently uphold them. 5) Diplomacy is the art of the possible, and war is also diplomacy. 6) Russia learned virtuoso diplomacy from the Arabs and legally became the helmsman and watchman in this region. Why should she go into the bottle, rest her horn on the ambiguous Assad, to spoil relations with Turkey seriously? Enough with Bashar and what is or what was won last month! 7) Turkey will reserve a 30 km zone for everyone, it’s its cow and it milks it. 8) Do not underestimate Turkey, which like us however, it is dreaming of imperial thinking and this thinking cannot be suppressed, but can only be directed in the right direction, beneficial to both countries. 9) The USA will remain militarily quiet until the end of the election, which means Assad can be foolish at home but there is a limit to everything and where he goes in the Kremlin for sure, Unless, of course, everything was calculated there correctly! 10) It is strange that the southern appendix has not yet been eliminated in order to drive the Barmalei away from our bases. 11) Our Kurdish card is still not a trump card! 12) And finally, we always know less than some and therefore are not quite aware of the chess parties and all sorts of plans B and C.
    1. sd000016 20 February 2020 11: 39 New
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      Erdogan lost his idea of ​​reality. The Turks clearly have an inadequate idea of ​​the country's military and economic capabilities or are simply bluffing (which is most likely). But it would be nice for Russia to test its latest weapons on a more serious enemy than ISIS. In addition, it would be nice to once again see how the economic leverage in the hands of Russia works. Turkey is now on its knives with the EU, NATO in general, and with Greece, Libya and Egypt (supporting one of the parties to the Libyan conflict) in particular. I'm not talking about the Kurds who can be supported (of course, implicit, indirect) in their natural desire to gain their own statehood. Thus, the situation of Turkey is much more unfavorable and more vulnerable than that of Russia. After passing the period of confrontation, the Turks will reconcile with Russia, pretending that there was nothing special, well, they quarreled a little, with whom it does not happen.