“Conclusions have been drawn from the situation with the Kursk APRC: captain 1st rank commented on reports on a promising torpedo

Today it became known about the completion in our country of state tests of a promising torpedo. This was announced by the head of the corporation TRV (Tactical missile weapons) Boris Obnosov. According to him, in addition to the torpedo, the state tests of the 250-kilogram air bomb were completed.

RIA News leads a statement by Boris Obnosov:

I would like more torpedo activity arms, but the amount that the USSR ordered is probably no longer needed now. But the torpedoes of Soviet development, now in service and well-proven, we are modernizing.

Commentary on the reports on the completion of testing the latest torpedo for the Russian Navy for "Military Review" was given by a military expert, member of the expert council of the All-Russian organization "Officers of Russia", 1st-Class Captain Vasily Dadykin.

According to him, there were significant problems with new torpedo weapons in our country after the collapse of the USSR. The expert recalls the tragic situation at the Kursk nuclear submarine, which, according to the official version, was caused by an explosion in the torpedo compartment. According to Vasily Dadykin, conclusions from those events were made.

Vasily Dadykin:

Our developers today are making efforts to eliminate the backlog of foreign countries in terms of torpedo weapons.

The expert notes that this gap can be eliminated not quantitatively, but qualitatively:

These should be significant indicators of range, speed, and most importantly - the reliability of the use of torpedo weapons. It is important to maintain all these parameters also due to the fact that new ships come to the fleet. And on these ships, including the commissioned frigate Admiral Gorshkov, modern torpedo weapons should occupy important positions.

At the moment, official information about the performance characteristics of the new Russian torpedo is not given.

Comments

[CAT BAIYUN]

Although it’s not a maritime, let it be a good new torpedo. Come in handy

[Sema0]

Quote: News

At the moment, official information about the performance characteristics of the new Russian torpedo is not given.

I wanted to hear the opinion of Klimov (physicist) or Timokhin about the new torpedo on VO!

[reader65]

Here is M. Klimov’s comment about the torpedo
https://mina030.livejournal.com/16252.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=JournalNewEntr

[petrol cutter]

The main thing is the Big Ship - The Big Torpedo!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sneaky Urus

Comrade Mina is missing

"Vile, you say ... Well, maybe so. But telling the truth is not the greatest meanness than cleverly keeping silent when it is profitable ..." (c)
Cap 3 rank (reserve) M. Klimov - a pro, unlike Dadykin, albeit a caperanga. Maxim always told the truth, for which he suffered. (Probably - Woe from the mind!) But he didn’t allow blunders in matters of MOT. What am I talking about?
Yes, that's what. The frigate of project 22350 does not have a TA. Even modernized. They can be equipped with PLR 91R2 - missile torpedo, where warhead - small-sized, 324mm torpedo MPT-1UM. They are located in UKSK 3S14. The frigate has no TA for 533mm torpedoes. There are "Packages" under the latch ports, but they are also 324mm in diameter. There is simply no other torpedo weapon on the ship. And this is correct, because its main task is to launch a missile strike on the NK and BC and air defense of the KUG / KPUG ships.
But for some reason, K1P Dadykin does not even mention corvettes (according to the old classification - anti-submarine ships). And how can you talk about a new torpedo, if you are not a "miner" and do not know the TTD of a new product?
Maxim would surely give examples, comparisons, maybe he would remember about Physicist-2 / Case ... And so - air shaking is not in essence.

[huntsman650]

I forgot to ask the Romanian (horned himself) why we didn’t use a ruby ​​1000 (like a boa constrictor) during preventive bombing in the area of ​​Kursk’s death while guarding it before the ascent. But the RBU-6000 carriers used products in the area. Romanian shot from MrG when our ship was monitoring the area.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: huntsman650

I forgot to ask a Romanian (horned himself) ...

Colleague, if this is for me, then I was a navigator as a girl. Therefore, the question is not addressed ...

[Sneaky Urus]

Maxim was a pro, probably about 30 years ago. Where can he get information about the current state? By the way, I never wrote that Comrade Kapraz Dadykin said something intelligible.

[Lipchanin]

At the moment, official information about the performance characteristics of the new Russian torpedo is not given

And why not take some bullshit.
Let partners scratch turnips

[Thrifty]

Double opinion about this caperang! Those Moremans, with whom they talked about the death of the Kursk, mostly questioned the version with the torpedo, but the paradox is that they tried not to voice their opinion about the tragedy with the submarine, for some reason!

[New Year day]

Quote: Thrifty

tried not to voice, for some reason!

Then much remained unspoken. "Kursk" in muddy water, in a word

[Chaldon48]

I saw a photograph after raising Kursk, a round hole with curved inward edges was clearly visible on it

[gaudin]

I don't know about the photograph, but the hole was shown in a French film dedicated to the death of the Kursk. The hole is a technological hole, and the concave edges due to impact on the ground, this is the opinion of one of the submarine specialists. I will not say my surname and position, many years have passed.

[Chaldon48]

The Americans themselves claim that this is a typical sign of the impact of the Mk-48 torpedo, which pierces the hull, and then explodes inside. The fact of the presence of the American boats "Memphis" and "Taledo" is also not denied.

[Berkut154]

Have you seen this hole in the movie? She is on board at a sufficiently high distance from the keel! What kind of impact on the ground are we talking about?

[gaudin]

We read carefully:

A hole is a technological hole, and concave edges due to impact on the ground

damaged external light housing.

[Andrey Komkov]

And in a strong place at this place, the most powerful destruction and bulkheads, curved towards the nose, are just beginning. Interesting coincidence, right?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The ship itself, did not see. I will not lie. But on TV (right the next day) I saw a minute video about the urgent commission coming from the IMF to Moscow. I still remember. I also thought -, there’s an accident with a nuclear submarine and these hucksters flew in in an instant. Strange ..... ,,

[orionvitt]

Quote: Thrifty

the torpedo version was mostly called into question

The most interesting thing, and in the article, this issue is being called into question.

the cause of which was, according to the official version, the explosion in the torpedo compartment

That is, they do not speak directly, but make a reference to the "official version".

[voyaka uh]

There is a version - an unofficial one - inside which there is an official version: the trainer, by mistake, planted a training torpedo (without warhead) cruiser Peter the Great. Torpedoes inside the boat detonated from its impact.
That is, the official version is correct. But she has an external trigger.

[impostor]

We will never know the truth about the Kursk, because it is the most terrible in modern history, it has been cut off and eliminated. As well as not finding out about the Dyatlovites. Conspiracy theories around are full. About Peter the Great, including, and about the fact that the capernag Lyachin went out of obedience like Sablin and tore into the tail and mane of the Yankes in Yugoslavia. The most convincing, IMHO, were the naval officers who pointed to Toledo and Memphis, to a foreign buoy and to an emergency cancellation of the debt after the visit of the CIA director. And the opportunity to punish the Yankees was real, the flyers actually overtook the killers. And therefore, while we are hawking the version of the "fatty".

[The Siberian barber]

The truth about the Kursk lies on the surface!
Money, only for autonomous regions, women who raised money for caviar, for men leaving, at sea ...
* Kursk * - a consequence! Details are important, but not especially!
What happened to the Fleet, except for CHANGE, cannot be interpreted !!!!
I really hope that those involved will one day be in the dock.
Sorry for the emotional post)

[Crimean partisan 1974]

planted a training torpedo (without warhead) cruiser Peter the Great. Torpedoes inside the boat detonated from its impact ........ and the first one who detected the sonar anomaly is the Norwegian from the systems of the first anti-submarine line, the first corresponded to 200 kg of TNT, which corresponds to warheads -65-76 and then the whole ammunition of torpedo weapons, moreover, according to the first anomaly, the coordinates of the tragedy were also revealed, given the fact that the Norwegians did not need to participate in any intrigues and fictions, then this data is the main thing that happened, and neither of which are Peter the Great and other Losangeles

[voyaka uh]

There is no contradiction. At first, one torpedo detonated - 200 kg of explosives.
The explosion was spotted by the Norwegians. Secondary detonation occurred from primary detonation - a few more
torpedoes. (This often happens during the bombing of a missile depot. First, one rocket breaks,
then a pause - and the rest. We showed a lot of such videos).
The question is what caused the first torpedo explosion: a technical malfunction or external
factor?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The question is what caused the first torpedo explosion: a technical malfunction or external
factor? ..... yes there shouldn’t be any questions, training grenades such as the Grenade (not to be confused with the Rocket Grenade) are not capable of causing deformation with penetration into the hull to create an emergency in the torpedo compartment, the whole thing is in the torpedo 65- 76, during the investigation it turned out that torpedoes 65-76, many before the tragedy, had frequent problems on board the submarines of the USSR, only these moments were in the category of emergency situations and not emergency situations, for obvious reasons. (hiding the problem, it’s easier to live) because it did without casualties, but the tragedy poured this crap outward, 65-76 were removed from service

[voyaka uh]

Thank you for the clarification.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it’s bad that until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself

[Chaldon48]

It was unlikely that it could explode from a purely mechanical impact of a torpedo, there were a lot of fuses on it. Then the impact of a training torpedo should be greatly weakened, because before it hit the warhead of the torpedo, it had to penetrate a light and strong body.

[voyaka uh]

Where did the controversial version about the training torpedo strike come from?
There was a photo of the hole on the Kursk body with the edges concave inward.
According to the official version, this is the rescue hole that the divers cut out.
But some objected that the edges of the gas-cut hole should,
were looking different.
Why exactly the training torpedo? Because the combat torpedo does not ram the hull,
and explodes around, squeezing (squeezing) the case with a hydraulic shock.
----
I do not insist on the version about the impact of the training torpedo, perhaps it is not wealthy.

[Nehist]

Andrey since when 65-76 has a 200kg charge? There are at least 450

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

the first corresponded to 200 kg in TNT, which corresponds to warhead -65-76

The torpedo 65-76A ("Kita") has BZO = 500kg TGA with a factor of 1,7, which corresponds to 850 kt TNT Therefore, 200 kg does not pull on an explosion t-dy ... But the Mk-48 may be ..

[Chaldon48]

Aha, and a clever saboteur sat on the "Peter the Great"!

[Rokossovsky]

Quote: Thrifty

Double opinion about this caperang!

Yes, after what has been said, it is no longer twofold, but even threefold, about this comrade!
He is not even aware that the frigates of this project and torpedo tubes are not fully functional. Do not consider them the “little things” of the Package-NK!

[Magic archer]

This is a Flurry torpedo. Unfortunately, it has a small range of application (13 km in total) and a lot of noise at launch, which unmasks the submarine. For comparison, the American Mk-48 torpedo has a range of 50 km ...

[ANB]

This is an M5 product. The form without TTX is top-secret. Descriptions and performance characteristics of special importance. I had f2.
Your information is slightly close to reality.
In 1991 and 2003, the pl were not issued. I don’t remember exactly whether Yeltsin or even Gorbachev, at the request of the United States, type removed him from service, but left him in storage.
Short range, high speed, no homing. But in the Soviet version it was not needed.

[Chaldon48]

By the way, the nasal tip of the Mk-48 has a special device, a copper band under it is visible with a termite charge, which heats up very quickly to the temperature of white heat, which makes it easier to break through the hull. By the way, molten copper is an excellent lubricant.

[ANB]

Have you seen a sturdy case? Was the thickness estimated?
What is the break?
The acoustic sensor stands on the fuse so that there is an explosion at a distance.

[Leha667]

Article by nothing. Information is zero.
Why publish it?

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

In the case of the Kursk nuclear submarine, I believe only in our supreme commander.
He said she drowned.

[huntsman650]

https://yandex.ru/video/touch/search?text=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B4%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%20%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0&path=wizard&noreask=1&filmId=15056539835731694596

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: huntsman650

I am writing as a participant in those exercises

In the exercises, all torpedoes with military warheads, and not with inert ones? And everything in the torpedo tubes? Even I, an infantryman, will not believe such a thing.

[agond]

Kursk was a large submarine cruiser, with a displacement of 24 tons and a length of 000 m 154 m in diameter !!! , and was supposed to be a submarine with a length of less than 18 m, and a hull diameter of 100 m. This is just to present a picture from the surface of the water to the bottom of the sea 8 m of which 108 m occupies the height of the profile of the boat without logging, that is 18% !!! If he went to the floor of the water (as the fishermen say) it was only 17 meters to the bottom and 45 meters to the surface, in such conditions a torpedo from the First World War could fall, not to mention modern ones. It’s time to review the design principles of submarines

[huntsman650]

You are probably the rear))) about the degree of readiness have heard anything

[huntsman650]

See the movie link. According to your bz load with the outbreak of hostilities.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: huntsman650

See the movie link.

I looked. I admit that in the fleet the bk is loaded onto the boat, but what for are military torpedoes loaded into torpedo tubes? Or is it the norm in the navy? Torpedo tubes are always charged, even when the boat is at the pier? Such a combat readiness in the fleet?

[huntsman650]

PG ships to the eyeballs. The exercises load the practice.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: huntsman650

PG ships to the eyeballs. The exercises load the practice.

I repeat the question. Why on exercises to charge torpedo tubes with BATTLE torpedoes? Is this the norm in the navy?

[huntsman650]

Ask the Commander in Chief)))

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: huntsman650

Ask the Commander in Chief)))

Clear. Have you been making a connoisseur for so long.

Quote: huntsman650

I am writing as a participant in those exercises

[Berkut154]

For practical (training shooting), before entering the sea, one or several TAs are assigned by order of kk, depending on the task. In the remaining TAs, the weapons are standard and unauthorized launching measures are taken due to a possible error. Same thing on the shelves in the compartment. The training torpedo is always stored on the rack and in the TA is charged immediately before use.

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

The first torpedo explosion due to the reaction of hydrogen with untreated air, which knocked out the airborne torpedo system.

And who did you serve on the BOD?
There is no hydrogen in the dashboard.
It can form in very small quantities in the battery ed. 260, but they are not on this project.
Hydrogen interacts better with purified air.
There were fires and explosions due to hydrogen in the AB of the submarine itself, but this never led to detonation of ammunition. Yes, and the battery is small on Apple, I did not hear about accidents with them. There is an automatic gas analyzer and regular ventilation is carried out.

[huntsman650]

96 percent hydrogen peroxide was wrong. Watch a movie there is everything to the smallest detail. There, civilians from the dagdiesel died in the first compartment.

[K-36]

First torpedo explosion due to the reaction of hydrogen with untreated air, which knocked out system of airborne torpedoes. Second explosion of torpedoes in torpedo tubes, which crumpled upon impact on the ground

Something was recalled from the Soviet television and radio: "my nightingale, nightingale, gA-A-A greasy sA-A-Al-Avay"

[huntsman650]

Already wrote hydrogen peroxide, I was mistaken, watch the movie here.

[K-36]

see the file on the link

For a start, it would be more polite to call "look".
And so I have seen a lot of films during my service. I even remember the film about the first American lowering his historical foot to the moon ...
Interesting only: who filmed it?!? Lunatic, it seems ...

[huntsman650]

Are you from the Institute of Noble Maidens? When there is nothing to argue, the combs begin to check the combs))) I repeat that I participated from the beginning of the death to the rise of Kursk. And it's funny to hear delusional versions of people far from the fleet. Especially about the deliberate destruction of the boat from Peter)))) Behave like a bendyuzhnik, but demand for you))). Golem ambition)))

[K-36]

No offense, I’ll ask a question about your main argument ( I mean The film ): And who shot this film?!? Not from the same operator's shop, whose specialists filmed the historical leg during the "landing on the moon"?!?

[huntsman650]

I personally adhere to the version of the death of the boat, in this movie, I don’t believe in the rest of the nonsense. Does skepticism cream have anything else?

[K-36]

I personally adhere to the version of the death of the boat, in this movie,

Well Duc stick, who's stopping you? Personally, I am somewhat rejected in your posts by the veiled desire to present myself as one of those who "consecrated to Truth"(in the question with" Kursk ") .. Modesty adorns the Human (checked).
And to rush at everyone who doubted your statements (whether through ignorance or, on the contrary, through Knowledge) is the lot of those who are unsure of themselves ... What can I say here? "Everyone chooses for himself: woman, religion, road ..."
I really hope that you will not be offended by me for such a remark.

[huntsman650]

That's right, it’s noticed and you don’t need to rush at me, but attacked me, the troll is like a initiate)))) give the author about the moon to him)))

[phair]

whale option - my syalyaev syaalavey, gaylyayasisty salayave

[ANB]

The article does not understand what Kursk has to do with the development of a new torpedo.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ANB

The article does not understand what Kursk has to do with the development of a new torpedo.

From this "reservation" of Dadykin, one can make a logical conclusion that this is a thick (650mm) torpedo with new fuel, or with a new thermal engine with all the advantages of the previous 65-76. And Kursk is connected with this torpedo. This is how they are connected.
But! This is hardly true, because on 885 and 955 projects all TAs are only 533mm. Well, and how to use them in the future?
But.

[ANB]

Yes, they don’t put 650 mm on new boats. But in vain. Where to put 86p and 88p now? They are not removed from service.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ANB

Where to put 86p and 88p now? They are not removed from service.

So far, the 971th and 949th are similar to these products until they are excluded from the fleet.

[ANB]

Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky

In the case of the Kursk nuclear submarine, I believe only in our supreme commander.
He said she drowned

Believe it right.
Or did she come up and return to base?
What did you want from a president’s weekless year at that moment, which he himself could not understand in maritime affairs, and the Northern Fleet command only mumbled something.

[ANB]

Quote: orionvitt

Quote: Watchman

Or is it technology already obsolete?

The effect of cavitation has not yet been canceled. And as far as I know, no one has applied in their designs except the USSR.

The cavitation effect is actually a bad thing. The rocket torpedo uses a slightly different effect, which is conventionally called supercavitation. But in fact a jet stream of nozzles of a special shape. Exact technology is, of course, classified.

[ANB]

Quote: Sergey Medvedev

Quote: huntsman650

I am writing as a participant in those exercises

In the exercises, all torpedoes with military warheads, and not with inert ones? And everything in the torpedo tubes? Even I, an infantryman, will not believe such a thing.

Torpedoes have no warheads. There is a BZO. There are no inert BZOs, then it is no longer a torpedo, but a torpedo bomb and they are not taken to the sea. The exercises take both combat torpedoes with BZO, in a reduced quantity, and practical ones, in which instead of the BZO there is a compartment with recording equipment.

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

Already wrote hydrogen peroxide, I was mistaken, watch the movie here.

And what kind of substance is "hydrogen peroxide"? I haven't heard of that.

[huntsman650]

Here it is not necessary to find fault with words, I am not a chemist))) I am "horned". Let's call it a substance that has reacted with untreated air)))

[16329]

It’s just hydrogen peroxide, the one in the pharmacy that uses much more concentrated peroxide only for gas generation

[phair]

it happens. n3 02

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

96 percent hydrogen peroxide was wrong. Watch a movie there is everything to the smallest detail. There, civilians from the dagdiesel died in the first compartment.

96 percent hydrogen peroxide does not react with air.
Dagdiesel has nothing to do with fat 298, they were made in Alma-Ata. Actually, this is one of the reasons why everyone dumped it and removed it from service.
Although what they shot is good. Already painfully capricious was in operation.
By the way, peroxide was not 96 percent.

[huntsman650]

It does not react with air, but with impurities from the crude system yes. The fact that people from Dagdiesel died is. In the movie there are details about the reaction ahead of time in the dashboard.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: huntsman650

There are details in the movie

yes well you all refer to "cinema"?
why do you even think that everything is true?

[huntsman650]

A more competent person chews everything.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: huntsman650

A more competent person chews everything.

Is he the ultimate truth ..?

[huntsman650]

For me, the most truthful version. And you again blah blah blah))))

[huntsman650]

And where did you get the idea that there is a lie?

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: huntsman650

And where did you get the idea that there is a lie?

I first asked a question

[huntsman650]

You question Ryazantsev’s version, justify or just blah. Blah. Blah ...

[ANB]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

The question is what caused the first torpedo explosion: a technical malfunction or external
factor? ..... yes there shouldn’t be any questions, training grenades such as the Grenade (not to be confused with the Rocket Grenade) are not capable of causing deformation with penetration into the hull to create an emergency in the torpedo compartment, the whole thing is in the torpedo 65- 76, during the investigation it turned out that torpedoes 65-76, many before the tragedy, had frequent problems on board the submarines of the USSR, only these moments were in the category of emergency situations and not emergency situations, for obvious reasons. (hiding the problem, it’s easier to live) because it did without casualties, but the tragedy poured this crap outward, 65-76 were removed from service

No torpedo grenade. Kursk missiles were called Granite. Submariners also call granites the entire submarine of Project 949A. Officially, 298 is to blame for the explosion.
But in fact, this is unrealistic.

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

96 percent hydrogen peroxide was wrong. Watch a movie there is everything to the smallest detail. There, civilians from the dagdiesel died in the first compartment.

Why should I watch a movie made by people who are absolutely far from the fleet and have little understanding of mine weapons?

[huntsman650]

The first explosion. Cause

The watch documentation of the submarine, which was found on board the sunken Kursk nuclear submarine, contains a handwritten record of the commander of a combat mine and torpedo unit of the following content: “August 11, 2000 15 hours 50 minutes. They measured the pressure (growth) in the oxidizer tank for 12 hours. Pressure increased to 1 kg / cm2. They tampered the VVD (high pressure air) into the air tank up to 200 kg / cm2. ”

“To a specialist submarine,” Ryazantsev explains, “this short record says a lot. Firstly, this information relates to a practical peroxide torpedo 65-76 PV. Secondly, the condition of the oxidizer of this torpedo for a long time, from August 3 to 11, 2000, was normal and did not cause any concern among the personnel. Thirdly, in the peroxide practical torpedo through the airway leaks there were micro-leaks of high-pressure air. This is not an emergency. In torpedoes (military and practical), replenishment of the air force is a normal technological operation ...

Replenishing air in torpedoes with strong oxidizing agents requires special care and specially low-fat tools and systems. Degreasing of torpedo tools, air hoses and technical air systems is carried out annually under the supervision of a ship commission.

Now we recall that in the current “Act of checking and degreasing technical air pipelines” of the Kursk nuclear submarine dated December 15, 1999, the signatures of the members of the ship commission and the submarine commander are false. It follows from this that the "Kursk" for a long time technical air systems were not operated and did not degrease. During this time, particles of dust and organic oils accumulated inside the pipelines of industrial air, and tiny particles of dirt, grease and rags of the rags could get into portable air hoses. Thus, the replenishment of the VVD on August 11, 2000 was carried out with untreated air, and all the dirt from the air pipelines and hoses that accumulated over many years of inactivity got into the air tank of the practical torpedo.

The instructions for handling hydrogen peroxide say that if organic oils, metal shavings and sawdust, copper and lead parts, dirt, dust and other objects get into it, a rapid process of decomposition of peroxide begins, which is accompanied by a large heat release and ends with an explosion.

On August 11, 2000, after replenishing the VVD through dirty pipelines and hoses, the non-degreased air from the torpedo air tank could not enter the oxidizer tank. When a practical torpedo 65-76 PV is on the rack, the locking air valve is closed on it, and safety devices are installed on the air trigger cock. That is why the "thick" torpedo behaved quietly until August 12, 2008, when preparations for torpedo fire began. It was after loading into the torpedo tube inside the torpedo that the uncontrolled decomposition of hydrogen peroxide began ... "

[huntsman650]

1 Vice Admiral Valery Ryazantsev, an experienced torpedo fighter, served 25 years on various types of nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet, deputy commander of the Pacific Fleet, in 2001 - deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Navy for combat training. He was a member of the government commission to investigate the causes and circumstances of the disaster of the Kursk submarine, headed by I. Klebanov.

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

The second explosion of combat torpedoes in torpedo tubes, which crushed upon impact on the ground

At exercises in torpedo tubes, combat torpedoes, if any, are at least. They are on the shelves.
At the same time, even if you crush the combat topoped, it will not explode.

[huntsman650]

Second explosion

Here is how Valery Ryazantsev reconstructs the death of Kursk in his unpublished book.

After the first explosion, an uncontrolled submarine “sank deeper and deeper. A minute after the first explosion, the trim on the nose reached about 15-20 degrees. Two minutes later, the first compartment was almost completely filled with water and the trim reached 30-35 degrees. To the bottom of the Barents Sea, the submarine had to walk about 20-25 meters. After 15 seconds, the K-141 Kursk submarine at a speed of about 3 knots, with a trim on the nose 40-42 degrees at a depth of 108 meters, collided with soil. The bow of the submarine collapsed, and the tubes of the torpedo tubes collapsed. A monstrous force, the explosion of combat torpedoes in torpedo tubes and on the shelves of the 1st compartment tore apart the solid submarine hull and, like a mighty press, pressed all the equipment from the 1st to 3rd compartments and most of the submariners into one shapeless metal pile. ”

[ANB]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

new heat engine with all the advantages

But peroxide is better not to use anymore. Although women took, lighten hair :)

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

It does not react with air, but with impurities from the crude system yes. The fact that people from Dagdiesel died is. In the movie there are details about the reaction ahead of time in the dashboard.

Dagdiesel is in no way associated with 298. Peroxide is not oxygen, in which any fat explodes.
The air in the dashboard is always clogged through the BOTV, and if it wasn’t, then why the commander and chief engineer of the arsenal, where they prepared 298, are not in prison?
Full bummy.

[huntsman650]

Seconded
Senior Lieutenant Borisov Arnold Yurievich - Leading Engineer VP Military Defense Ministry, b. 1976, VVMUPP

Gadzhiev Mamed Ismailovich - representative of the Dagdiesel plant, born in 1958, Republic of Dagestan, s. Hryug

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

Here it is not necessary to find fault with words, I am not a chemist))) I am "horned". Let's call it a substance that has reacted with untreated air)))

And I'm a suite. And for some reason I know what there can react with. Why did he ask, and who did you serve at this BOD?

[huntsman650]

1 Vice Admiral Valery Ryazantsev, an experienced torpedo fighter, served 25 years on various types of nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet, deputy commander of the Pacific Fleet, in 2001 - deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Navy for combat training. He was a member of the government commission to investigate the causes and circumstances of the disaster of the Kursk submarine, headed by I. Klebanov.

[Al_lexx]

Again a shadow on the fence, in the direction of the Kursk ...
Yes, there was an explosion in the torpedo compartment. But no one talks about its reasons, as well as the reasons why they cut off the torpedo compartment and bombed it with depth charges, except for one independent French journalist who shot the sensational film "Submarine in troubled water". On YouTube, it is regularly overwritten, but it pops up again (I saved it myself).
There is a mass of facts that the Kursk was torpedoed (by mistake) by the Americans, just when our new torpedoes were being tested. The Americans heard how the torpedo ports were opening and thought that they would shoot at them now, and made a pre-emptive one. Further, according to the well-known scenario from the media. Unless they kept silent that in order to hush up this scandal, in fact, they drowned the entire crew, so that no one could examine anything. Well, at the same time, they wrote off a bunch of Russian debts, and the "happy zero" came to the Americans.
Those. in fact, the Americans are to blame for the sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine, who climbed into the closed exercise area. And the then leadership, headed by Klebanov, was to blame for the death of the submariners, who until recently had even more leverage than the prime minister or the president (thank God, this Ebeldos gang was recently removed).

[huntsman650]

The first compartment was sawn off and blew up at the bottom, due to the presence of unexploded ordnance in it. In the second compartment, when analyzing the rubble and searching for people in the dock, the remains of a combat torpedo were found.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: huntsman650

The first compartment was sawn off and blew up at the bottom, due to the presence of unexploded ordnance in it. In the second compartment, when analyzing the rubble and searching for people in the dock, the remains of a combat torpedo were found.

Yep ...
Listen to you, it turns out that cutting under water was safer than on land.
And the fact that people in the boat lived for quite some time and knocked on bulkheads, but they were not lifted, although they could, referring to some kind of crap, like bad weather. This type was afraid to frighten relatives that they were not dressed in an outfit. So what?

He was a member of the government commission to investigate the causes and circumstances of the disaster of the Kursk submarine, headed by I. Klebanov.

Key phrase.
It sounds about the same as:
“What can I tell you?” The boat sank ...

I do not know personally Vice Admiral Ryazantsev, but my relative serves as the captain of the nuclear submarine in the north. They talked, in an undertone, like at family gatherings. Of course, I will not name him here.
This is me, as if hinting at the fact that I'm sick of politicians. And from politicians in uniform - triple.

[huntsman650]

Everything about salvation is in the movies, Ryazantsev says. I personally saw all attempts at salvation until the 16th. And during the storm they did not stop. Bathyscaphe gouged a little even. The rescue commander, Rudnitsky did not want to work in a storm, but KSF Popov insisted. I heard, talked and invented my version, write nonsense from the part. The trouble is that in the SF at that time there were no deep-sea divers and related equipment. The compartment was drunk with a cable, a special installation, not a metal saw manually))).

[ANB]

Quote: huntsman650

Seconded
Senior Lieutenant Borisov Arnold Yurievich - Leading Engineer VP Military Defense Ministry, b. 1976, VVMUPP

Gadzhiev Mamed Ismailovich - representative of the Dagdiesel plant, born in 1958, Republic of Dagestan, s. Hryug

You’re writing for the fifth time that there were representatives of Dagdiesel on Kursk. Everyone already knows about this.
What do they have to do with the alleged explosion of 298? Have they blown up themselves?

[ANB]

Quote: Al_lexx

I do not know personally Vice Admiral Ryazantsev, but my relative serves as the captain of the nuclear submarine in the north.

Is your relative a doctor? There are no other captains on the Premier League.

[huntsman650]

Inspired by a little. The first officer rank was secretly considered on the ship as a senior lieutenant, the first naval captain-lieutenant)))

[ANB]

Quote: Al_lexx

And the then leadership led by Klebanov was to blame for the death of the submariners,

Yeah. And also the command of the Northern Fleet. Actually, when Putin found out the real cause of the tragedy, he fired them all.
And now they tell tales about American submarines. They don’t want to look guilty.
In vain Putin felt sorry for them. Under Gorshkov would have sat down.

[ANB]

Quote: Al_lexx

Those. in fact, the Americans are to blame for the sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine, who climbed into the closed exercise area.

It’s hard to suspect a love of Americans, but in the case of Kursk, they themselves suffered. AZ fell from the second explosion at Mephis. And the boat was freaking out on the ground.
Then the pilot confused her with Kursk.
In general, the mess was indescribable. I thought we had a collapse at the Pacific Fleet, but when the reports were coming from the North, everyone became sober, how can this be.

[huntsman650]

On the 16th, our ship left the area, I personally heard a report from one of the rescuers (the ship) that a large buoy of white-green color was discovered. When they discovered the boat (Peter) with acoustics and were not qualified yet. To the side of it, the pilots discovered a large oily stain. Thought another boat. Then they decided that the spot was pulled by the current from Kursk.

[Dzafdet]

first drowned Kursk, and then blamed the torpedo and the sailors who supposedly could not serve it ...

[Vladimir SHajkin]

MY OPINION
The depth of the sea at the place of flooding of Kursk is 108 m., Kursk itself is 154 meters in length and - 18,2 width, - 18,4 height. Surface speed - 15 knots, underwater - 33 knots, displacement, surface - 14 tons, underwater - 700 tons.
My assumptions.
The boat was sailing at periscope depth, and judging by what was already announced, she was going to shoot with a training barrage that can only work at periscope depth. Periscopic depth - 20-30 meters from the surface of the sea.
At such depths, the speed is possible only with a small or very small stroke, and this is about 5-10 knots i.e. 9 - 18 km / h., - 2,5 - 5 m / s.
Now imagine 20 meters to the surface + 20 meters the height of the boat, 60 meters remain under the keel, speed 2,5 - 5 m / s, the time before a collision with the ground 24 - 12 seconds.
Such a collision with the ground and subsequent collapse and explosions could occur only if someone intentionally or accidentally crushed the boat from above from above. Who could pin down?
Only the passage of another boat in the immediate vicinity and the collision, it is in this sequence that the collision of the upper deck of Kursk with the keel of another boat is Memphis.
Any ship has buoyancy i.e. ability to recover after receiving any roll, trim or damage.
If there was an explosion, then Kursk 1. is designed so that from one explosion it is able to restore buoyancy. 2 why was control lost?
Thus, what happened with Kursk can be predicted with high probability as a collision, passage over the upper deck and its touch, which led to the Kursk trim on the nose and did not give the opportunity to play the opposing force, but for a short time it was fatal, no one understood and nothing did not have time to do.
At a speed of 2,5 - 5 m / s, 23 t crashes into the ground after a maximum of 860 s.
This led to the impact and explosion of a torpedo, which was possibly prepared and was in the apparatus for firing.
Thus, the unprofessional actions of the enemy submarine led to tragic consequences.
The bow, the main evidence with traces left at the bottom, and thus found a solution to other problems.
Often they talk about a hole in the starboard side, allegedly from a torpedo. But it is very even, even if it is burned, then there should remain a reflow, but it does not. In addition, a very "cunning" turned out to be a torpedo entered the starboard side, without destroying anything and not blowing up the entire side to the left, and turned to the bow went through the bulkheads and exploded in the first compartment.
Which our country's leadership took advantage of, if you remember, at that time we had very decent external, Yeltsin's debts, and then quietly, our state paid everything, the Americans secretly came to us at that time and agreed on something. I think it's not about repairing Memphis.
But to solve the more pressing problems most likely did not give the amers the opportunity to maneuver in the negotiations.
I think so.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

MY OPINION
The depth of the sea at the place of flooding of Kursk is 108 m., Kursk itself is 154 meters in length and - 18,2 width, - 18,4 height. Surface speed - 15 knots, underwater - 33 knots, displacement, surface - 14 tons, underwater - 700 tons.
My assumptions.
The boat was sailing at periscope depth, and judging by what was already announced, she was going to shoot with a training barrage that can only work at periscope depth. Periscopic depth - 20-30 meters from the surface of the sea.
At such depths, the speed is possible only with a small or very small stroke, and this is about 5-10 knots i.e. 9 - 18 km / h., - 2,5 - 5 m / s.
Now imagine 20 meters to the surface + 20 meters the height of the boat, 60 meters remain under the keel, speed 2,5 - 5 m / s, the time before a collision with the ground 24 - 12 seconds.
Such a collision with the ground and subsequent collapse and explosions could occur only if someone intentionally or accidentally crushed the boat from above from above. Who could pin down?
Only the passage of another boat in the immediate vicinity and the collision, it is in this sequence that the collision of the upper deck of Kursk with the keel of another boat is Memphis.
Any ship has buoyancy i.e. ability to recover after receiving any roll, trim or damage.
If there was an explosion, then Kursk 1. is designed so that from one explosion it is able to restore buoyancy. 2 why was control lost?
Thus, what happened with Kursk can be predicted with high probability as a collision, passage over the upper deck and its touch, which led to the Kursk trim on the nose and did not give the opportunity to play the opposing force, but for a short time it was fatal, no one understood and nothing did not have time to do.
At a speed of 2,5 - 5 m / s, 23 t crashes into the ground after a maximum of 860 s.
This led to the impact and explosion of a torpedo, which was possibly prepared and was in the apparatus for firing.
Thus, the unprofessional actions of the enemy submarine led to tragic consequences.
Often they talk about a hole in the starboard side, allegedly from a torpedo. But it is very even, even if it is burned, then there should remain a reflow, but it does not. In addition, a very "cunning" turned out to be a torpedo entered the starboard side, without destroying anything and not blowing up the entire side to the left, and turned to the bow went through the bulkheads and exploded in the first compartment.
The bow, the main evidence with traces left at the bottom, and thus found a solution to other problems.
Which our country's leadership took advantage of, if you remember, at that time we had very decent external, Yeltsin's debts, and then quietly, our state paid everything, the Americans secretly came to us at that time and agreed on something. I think it's not about repairing Memphis.
But to solve the more pressing problems most likely did not give the amers the opportunity to maneuver in the negotiations.
I think so.

[agond]

Quote: Shaikin Vladimir

The depth of the sea at the place of flooding of Kursk is 108 m., Kursk itself is 154 meters in length and - 18,2 width, - 18,4 height. Surface speed - 15 knots, underwater - 33 knots, displacement, surface - 14 tons, underwater - 700 tons.
My assumptions.

An underwater object the size of an airship did not fit into the sea. turned out to be small

[huntsman650]

Modern torpedoes do not crash into ships and boats)))), the detonation comes from distortion of the magnetic field, this is by the way about the hole in the boat’s hull supposedly from a torpedo))) the version is utopian, which they just won’t come up with))

[ANB]

So a flurry surfaced.

[Avior]

passing over the upper deck and touching it, which led to the Kursk trim on the nose

If Kursk was sailing at periscope depth, then an American boat on the surface, is it?
No other way....

[Victor March 47]

Quote: K-36

No offense, I’ll ask a question about your main argument ( I mean The film ): And who shot this film?!? Not from the same operator's shop, whose specialists filmed the historical leg during the "landing on the moon"?!?

Why not bring here behind the ear and delirious with his "Stalingrad"? If we really, to generalize, then all the bastard bastard here.

[nnz226]

Whoever understands the torpedo weapons located on the submarine is unlikely to agree with the official version of the Kursk's death ....

[gaudin]

Quote: Chaldon48

torpedoes Mk-48, which pierces the body, and then explodes inside

You yourself answered your own question, after the explosion there cannot be a smooth hole in the case.

[huntsman650]

https://onthedeep.com/weapons/mark-48/
Doesn't crash at all))))

[ANB]

Quote: Dzafdet

first drowned Kursk, and then blamed the torpedo and the sailors who supposedly could not serve it ...

Exactly the same impression.

[Subtext]

I would like more activity on torpedo weapons, but the amount that the USSR ordered is probably no longer needed.

In WWII, American submariners spent stocks of torpedoes in the first month. That was a big problem. It could be solved according to ours (in the Second World War), shoot with one torpedo, strictly ask for each miss. But in the USA they went their own way, established mass production of torpedoes

[petrol cutter]

... And the holivors rushed along the Kursk ...
A note in the newspaper was for the construction of a new topeda, sort of like? Yes, and developed a bomb over the plan. No, to say good fellows, it’s not for nothing that the designers eat bread, they suffered in the wilds.
I am one of the last people who touched / saw the Kursk. It was cut at the Nerpa shipyard. In the PD "Pallada". Where exactly at this time I had the honor to work. So what? I am not authorized to draw or voice any conclusions. The boat was lost. God rest the souls of sailors. What to do? This is the profession.
While I was there, drowned another boat with the loss of people. No one spares anything about these people and does not write articles.
Except, as in the local newspaper, the note was ...

[petrol cutter]

Yes sir. Thank you, for the prescription of time, I forgot its name.
As far as I remember, THREE tugboats pulled her, and no one saw that the boat was sinking!
They pulled us to the "Nerpa".
Of course, the scale is not the same, but the participants in the incident are not much easier on this.

[huntsman650]

That's right, k-27 ps flew very quickly from the shore and lifted the first starley still alive. And Art. 1 tbsp. and k3r. unfortunately already dead. The rest did not have time to jump out. The boat had no buoyancy, pulled on pontoons. It is fortunate that the length of the tow rope is greater than the depth of the sea. What an idiot it occurred to people to put people there. By the number of compartments.

[reader65]

Here is M. Klimov’s comment about the torpedo
https://mina030.livejournal.com/16252.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=JournalNewEntry

[impostor]

In tragedies of this historical magnitude, you cannot rely on emotions. Here, the first place should always be the question - WHO IS PROFITABLE? At the Amov captain, the papers are allowed to open fire at the sound of the opening hatch cover. "Kursk" was destroyed by the Yankees, this is indisputable. The senior officers of the fleet spoke about this immediately, the coastal was raised, caught up with the killers, but ... the attempt to destroy the aggressor was plugged by the emerging global wallets. If Kursk had been killed by a fat woman, no one would have written off Russia's foreign debt.

[huntsman650]

Kursk was discovered at a training ground where he was supposed to fire a practical torpedo at a detachment of surface ships, on a combat course.
I was on one of the BOD. No other boats were discovered by the surface ships or aircraft until the 16th.
16th left the area to replenish supplies. I ask you to clarify who was chasing and for what))) Munchausen can at the core)))

[Crystal of Truth]

Draw conclusions for 20 years?