Strategic Tu-160 bombers will arm dagger missiles, turning them into hypersonic systems


The country's military-industrial complex reports that the Tu-160 strategic bombers will receive new missile weapons.


According to the TASS information service, citing a source, the Tu-160 is armed with Dagger missiles, making this "bundle" a hypersonic missile system. Recall that at the moment only MiG-31s ​​are equipped with such missiles in the Russian Aerospace Forces, however, earlier plans for arming the Daggers and Tu-160 were mentioned.

While there is no information about whether the Tu-160 planes are going to turn into hypersonic systems, or are we talking about the upgraded Tu-160M. Recall that the Tu-160M ​​will begin to enter the VKS from 2021. At the moment, this strategic missile carrier is testing, having gone through several modernization stages.

At the moment, the Tu-160 "White Swan" is the fastest bomber in service. Equipping it with dagger missiles will significantly increase the aircraft’s potential from the strategic fleet aviation VKS of the Russian Federation.

Recall that at the moment, no country in the world, except Russia, is armed with hypersonic weapons. Russian "Daggers", capable of overcoming speed indicators of 6 M, are already on alert.
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  1. Same lech 10 February 2020 06: 38 New
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    Good deal .. The TU-160 from a great height can get US AUG daggers without approaching the AUG aviation range.
    The number of Dagger carriers has increased ... for the Americans, this is already a big problem.
    1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 06: 54 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Good deal .. The TU-160 from a great height can get US AUG daggers without approaching the AUG aviation range.

      Only one small detail is confusing.
      Who will show them which way and when to shoot.
      We do not have a satellite constellation that could provide target designation, even with an accuracy of +/- a couple of hours. The task of AUG target designation in real time at the moment in Russia is not solved. (I believe that they are working on a solution)
      AUG per day can move to a distance of about 1000 km.
      It remains to catch in the narrownesses and on / outside the radius of the AV aviation. Difficult.
      1. Same lech 10 February 2020 06: 57 New
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        And can over-the-horizon radars be able to fix such a mass of floating iron at large distances?
        1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 07: 01 New
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          One year in 89, I was at such a question; if you see how far you see, the unit commander said that flights over Okinawa are being tracked. (From under Nakhodka. Kievka). As for surface targets was not interested.
          For what I bought ...
          As for the interference immunity of ZRLS, my knowledge is zero.
          But the meter range is clogged at a time!
          Ship speed is low. In TWS mode, they are not visible.
          1. krot 10 February 2020 08: 31 New
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            Who will show them which way and when to shoot.

            Another option: A-50, A-100 .. In my opinion, now there is enough capacity for target designation and no one will disclose in detail the mechanism of this.
            1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 13: 26 New
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              I read somewhere that the A-50 sees a large ship in only 400 km. Then the question is, will they let him into the AUG, so that he sees her, since the radius of the F-18 is 800 km.
            2. ugol2 10 February 2020 15: 00 New
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              Let's look for a needle in a haystack, AUG in the vast expanses of the oceans, satellites weighed the entire ball, ZGRLS put. And the adversary also doesn’t bast - He will build the Anti-ZGRLS ...
              No, that is how it should be - progress in military affairs is necessary.
              And if you need to win here and now?
              Yamamoto how did? AUG looking for? He has nothing more to do.
              Where is their "decision center"?
              So let progress be progress, and “Dagger” if it doesn’t look for AUG in the Pacific Ocean, but flies directly to Okinawa, Hawaii and where else they have ...
              1. cherkas.oe 10 February 2020 23: 09 New
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                Quote: ugol2
                and it will fly directly to Okinawa, Hawaii and where else they have what they have.

                Plus, of course, but why do you give out military secrets to the local "archistrates", let them curvature the gyrus.
          2. hydrox 10 February 2020 10: 18 New
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            Please explain from what distance and WHAT are you going to "clog" with the receivers of the ZG radar located in the middle of the European part of Russia?
            1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 10: 30 New
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              Please explain from what distance and WHAT you are going to "clog" with radar ЗГ receivers

              But I don’t know!
              I only know what one person did, he can always break another.
              Well, he studied the P-12 and P-15 on the military commissar, and at the same time the course of radar.
              Since then I have been VERY critical of all "radio portraits" of airplanes.
              Recognition of the "model" of the aircraft (yeah! With the name of the pilot), ultra-precise distance and elevation.
              In the MV and UHF ranges, the radiation pattern looks like this:
              Place your palm upright;
              Imagine that your fingers are well ... 180 km long;
              So between the fingers there will be a failure where the goal is lost.
              1. hydrox 10 February 2020 10: 41 New
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                Thank you, you give exhaustive information - how famously you adversaries with your palm!
                Kaneshno, they are tapericha and not a sunflower!
              2. Aqr009 10 February 2020 20: 23 New
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                But the meter range is clogged at a time!

                ... from what distance and WHAT are you going to "clog" the receivers of the ZG radar located in the middle of the European part of Russia?

                But I don’t know!

                lol
                1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 20: 30 New
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                  But I saw what IKO looks like with active interference.
                  From the simulator.
                  It can be seen there is a yellow solid circle for the entire indicator.
                  That's it!
                  But they write a lot about our electronic warfare systems, they say wonderful to lawlessness.
                  Maybe ours can score a ZG radar?
                  Why do not you admit that they also have?
                  1. Aqr009 10 February 2020 22: 35 New
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                    Why do not you admit that they also have?

                    If you allow, then in the composition of each AUG should be something similar to this belay

                    so that the radius of the "umbrella" just got to the radar station.
                    1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 22: 40 New
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                      I do not agree!
                      Do you think that in the “spot” irradiated by the ZGRLS they are aware of this?
                      Where is the irradiated (elevation angle) known from?
                      What prevents to fix the interference?
                      You can radiate at least Gigawatts in a pulse, but microvolts are reflected!
                      1. Aqr009 10 February 2020 23: 29 New
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                        What prevents to fix the interference?

                        Earth curvature, apparently.
                      2. Victor_B 10 February 2020 23: 44 New
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                        Quote: Aqr009
                        Earth curvature, apparently.

                        Nah!
                        Imagine you are under water and a MIRROR surface sways above you, exactly the same ZRLS works.
                        It shines in the sky. At an angle small on the IONOSPHERE mirror (such as water). And the reflected signal goes back there too.
                        The angle of incidence is ...
                        There, in the sky, and the interference must be sent. More powerful than the reflected signal.
      2. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 16 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        And can over-the-horizon radars be able to fix such a mass of floating iron at large distances?

        Yes, and they shine like a Christmas tree
      3. Piramidon 10 February 2020 11: 13 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        And can over-the-horizon radars be able to fix such a mass of floating iron at large distances?

        According to information in open sources, ZRLS are intended for detection and tracking of AIR purposes.
        ... a container-type station is capable of tracking the movement of air targets over two thousand kilometers from the state border of Russia.
        The station will be able to detect the mass take-off of aviation and cruise missiles, determine the trajectories of individual targets, including tactical and strategic aviation aircraft, as well as hypersonic aircraft.
        It is worth noting that aircraft made using the stealth technology (reduces radar visibility) are not invisible for the Container

        https://ria.ru/20191201/1561793465.html
        1. bayard 10 February 2020 23: 13 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          According to information in open sources, ZRLS are intended for detection and tracking of AIR purposes.

          And surface, too. Even the "Sunflower" is capable of this, and even for the "Container" it is even simpler - he looks at them from above with a beam reflected from the ionosphere. Another thing is that it most likely works in the SDC mode (Doppler effect) and there is a cutoff in speed. If the ship goes into drift ... hardly see. Well, the value of such a cutoff also matters - if the speed is low, he will give cars on the tracks. And trains ... But there are no cars or trains at sea, so ... but there can be a bunch of commercial and other ships.
      4. bayard 10 February 2020 22: 51 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        And can over-the-horizon radars be able to fix such a mass of floating iron at large distances?

        If you ask about "Container", then this yes - sees both air and surface. Far and stable enough.
        At a range of up to 3000 km. distinguishes cruise missile or drones, any lightweight. This is at the first jump (it is two-jump).
        At the second jump - from 3000 to 6000 km. distinguishes only large planes / group targets, as well as the launch of ballistic missiles along the plasma trail (it does not matter from land launch or submarine).
        So this station is very well suited for AUG detection (after all, it essentially looks at the target from above - with a beam reflected from the ionosphere), and at a distance of 2000 - 2200 km. from our shores - with detailing, with the autopsy and control over the activity of not only the order ships, but the entire air group. What is certainly a disguising factor AUG (activity of the air group).
        But since the Container ZGRLS is a decameter station (wavelength - tens of meters), then you should not expect high resolution from it - this is a threat opening station and control of the general air and surface situation. It is unlikely to be able to give target designation to missiles, but it can detect and take on support AUG, KUG or even a separate ship, and further reconnaissance (satellite, aviation, UAV) will be required and now when the coordinates are clarified, target designation will be issued. However, it all depends on the capabilities of the GOS RPC and its combat algorithms to search and detect targets, maybe for some of them - with a high-altitude flight profile, the target designation of the "Container" will be enough. In the East (Far East) direction, the deployment of the Container ZGRLS is now in its final stage, but it is not yet known how long it will take to put it into operation / standby mode.
        Tested on DV and ZGRLS "Sunflower", but there is a completely different principle - it seems that the effect of superrefraction is used. But her work was unstable, because strongly depends on many factors - temperature, humidity, troposphere, solar activity, etc., but nevertheless, several such stations were deployed and at least one delivered abroad (to Iran) ... and another seems to have been deployed in Egypt - area of ​​Suez. But already such deliveries indicate that the "Sunflower" seems to have been sorted out with "childhood diseases." And this is encouraging.
    2. KCA
      KCA 10 February 2020 07: 56 New
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      The news is with VO, though she is a little over 3 years old, probably a lot has changed:

      For the first time, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu publicly announced the development of a highly secret new-generation Liana space reconnaissance system. Work on the project has been going on since the 1990s. In 2013, the trial testing of the system was completed, and the debugging of its components began. Currently, she is working in pilot-duty mode, supplying the command post with data for subsequent processing. Separate segments of the system, according to information available to some sources, were used during the Syrian campaign in the exploration of targets and their destruction by cruise missiles.

      https://topwar.ru/107061-sistema-kosmicheskoy-razvedki-liana-rabotaet-v-opytno-dezhurnom-rezhime.html
      1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 08: 01 New
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        In fact, these satellites are low-orbit. It seems not to be in polar orbits.
        24 satellites in polar orbits will make it possible to track the point of minutes for 20 with a period of more than an hour.
        Yes and no, we have 24 “Lian”
        Actually windows, the absence of such satellites can be measured for hours.
        At hour AUG will run away for fifty kilometers.
        1. KCA
          KCA 10 February 2020 08: 04 New
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          I gave the link, there is at least a little, but something
        2. hydrox 10 February 2020 10: 22 New
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          You are right :: A-100 will not have time to keep up with the AUG! laughing
    3. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 21 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      We do not have a satellite constellation that could give target designation, even with an accuracy of +/- a couple of hours.

      Well, if it has a nuclear warhead, then special accuracy there is not needed.
      And where do reconnaissance planes fly. All the same, AUG for any need to approach our shores at a relatively close distance
      1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 13: 29 New
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        Already written about this, it is enough for the AUG to approach our shores for 2000 km so that their aviation launches the Kyrgyz Republic deep into our territory.
        1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 14: 20 New
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          And this AUG really falls under Caliber
    4. Alex777 10 February 2020 10: 45 New
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      Only one small detail is confusing.

      The article is too optimistic.
      In total, they gathered until the end of 2020 to study the issue of accommodation.
      So the news about the placement of at least another year to wait. hi
      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7721975
    5. figwam 10 February 2020 10: 58 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Who will show them which way and when to shoot.

      Everything is in the complex space, surface and submarine fleet, there are not many places for the possible use of carrier-based aviation against us.
    6. Winnie76 10 February 2020 12: 34 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Only one small detail is confusing.
      Who will show them which way and when to shoot.

      If an aircraft carrier actively raises and lands planes, the radar is supposed to work. Radio intelligence. Satellites. UAVs flying and underwater. The same Mig-31 as a scout. A-50/100. A bunch of options
    7. Andrey.AN 10 February 2020 18: 04 New
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      Any AUG itself gives its location by radiation of defensive systems, it can certainly swim in stealth mode, only reconnaissance aids are not limited to radio direction finding, or satellites, by the way, the Russian Federation launched a lot of all kinds of satellites, American ones too, you are sure that our reconnaissance aids are not worth it (you could After all, and put, everyone likes discounts)?
  2. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 07: 46 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    ... for the Americans this is already a big problem

    Yes, they wanted to be smarter than everyone, but they forgot that for every tricky dupa there is always a vegetable with a screw
  3. Alex_Rarog 10 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    A strategist with a hypersonic missile is terrifying as intriguing ....
    1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 11: 23 New
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      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      A strategist with a hypersonic missile is terrifying as intriguing ....

      It seems that they were going to use the Tu-22M3 for this purpose, and so far, silence in this regard. And to turn strategists, of whom we do not have many, into anti-ship means, in my opinion, is irrational.
      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 14: 22 New
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        Quote: Piramidon
        And to turn strategists, of whom we do not have many, into anti-ship means, in my opinion, is irrational.

        Yes, most likely all will not be.
        After all, not all MiG - 31 were imprisoned under the "Daggers"
        1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 16: 53 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          After all, not all MiG - 31 were imprisoned under the "Daggers"

          How much is the MiG-31 in service and how much is the Tu-60? You can count on the fingers.
  4. svp67 10 February 2020 10: 21 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    Good deal .. The TU-160 from a great height can get US AUG daggers without approaching the AUG aviation range.

    OK, but how many of them do we have, these Swans? It’s time to attend to:
    a) An increase in carrier aircraft due to the modernization of the fleet of Tu-22M3 and Su-34
    b) To begin work on the creation of a new, more adapted for air-based missile, still the Iskander was originally created entirely for such metamorphoses
    1. bayard 11 February 2020 00: 39 New
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      Quote: svp67
      b) To begin work on the creation of a new, more adapted for air-based missile, still the Iskander was originally created entirely for such metamorphoses

      When finished "Zircon", then they will. Zircon was originally planned for an air launch, and the first tests / practical launch was carried out in 2012 from the Tu-22M3. Successfully.
      At Zircon, the dimensions are more acceptable, and the flight profile and engine operating mode are completely different. And the Tu-22M3M modernization is being prepared specifically for them - Dagger and Zircon.
  5. iouris 10 February 2020 15: 34 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    not approaching the radius of the AUG aviation

    This is possible only if you put down your alertness and strike first. In all other cases, the planes will not even take off.
  6. bayard 11 February 2020 00: 30 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    Good deal

    Yes, there is nothing to do there.
    This is the journalist’s imagination; nowhere has such an intention been officially announced - the “Dagger” on the Tu-160. Where will he hang them?
    Pylons for the Tu-160 are not provided and would look perfect blasphemy on it. And from the internal weapons compartment he can only launch them at subsonic speed ... then the characteristics of the “Dagger” are lost ... Do you need it?
    Where to drag the "Dagger" on the strategist? What distance? Yes with such perversions.
    In addition to the MiG-31, the Dagger carrier will be the Tu-22M3M - it will be modernized as the carrier of the Dagger and Zircon (give him Akhura-Mazda as soon as possible). It is then (Tu-22M3M) that is capable of launching from an external suspension at supersonic speed. And high altitude. And the first practical launch of Zircon was also carried out precisely from the Tu-22M3.
    And the range is enough for him to keep the enemy AUG at a distance of 3000 - 3500 km from their native coast. And you need to hit a more distant target, there is a refueling in the air - kerosene drank and fly on. He (Tu-22M3M) also has a place in the bomb bay, there just extra. you can place a fuel tank of 8 \ 10 \ 12 tons - the weapons are still on the external sling, but the load margin remains.
    Tu-22M3M will be able to take 2 \ 3 \ 4 missiles for suspension. A non-modernized Tu-22M3 will take the X-32 (2 pcs.).

    And do not fantasize about the Tu-160. This is a strategist, the carrier of X-101 \ 102.
    They are few !
    What they will build ... someday ... sometime ...
    All the same, they will be few.
    Therefore, they will not be used for stupidity.
    This (Tu-160) is an integral part of the strategic nuclear forces triad.
  • bessmertniy 10 February 2020 06: 41 New
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    TU-160 with the "Dagger" - it will be impressive. hi
  • rocket757 10 February 2020 06: 42 New
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    Strategic Tu-160 bombers will arm dagger missiles, turning them into hypersonic systems

    Everything is clear, but what range?
    Such a large object does not come close to the enemy’s air defense control zone!
    1. Same lech 10 February 2020 06: 51 New
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      From a height of at least 10 km, a range of 2000 km I think will be quite ... safe enough for the TU-160.
      1. rocket757 10 February 2020 08: 42 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        From a height of at least 10 km, a range of 2000 km I think will be quite ... safe enough for the TU-160.

        Means of destruction are being modernized, they will be ON, ABOVE, FASTER, SMARTER ... and all that jazz.
        1. bayard 11 February 2020 00: 50 New
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          For 2000 km. SAM will never shoot. The question is different - at what speed the launch will be carried out and from what position / suspension - external or internal. Tu-160 has no pylons and will not be - there is no need, but from the inside ... this is only subsonic speed, otherwise the wings will not open. And if the subsonic launch, then the range of the "Dagger" will not be 2000 km. , and 1500, or even less. But is it necessary?
          Tu-160 will NEVER be carriers of the "Dagger"!
          Its carriers will be the MiG-31 and Tu-22M3M.
          And Tu-160 - carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic X-101 \ 102. There are few such carriers. Even if a few more will be built (pieces 10 \ 15 \ 20), all the same, THEY WILL BE LITTLE.
          And they will be ONLY for the main tasks.
          And for the “Dagger” several dozen (there are already 30 of them) MiG-31 and 30 pieces. Tu-22M3M will be COMPLETELY enough.
    2. Pike 10 February 2020 07: 07 New
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      To strike at the objects of the first frontier of air defense completely.
    3. Victor_B 10 February 2020 07: 13 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Such a large object does not come close to the enemy’s air defense control zone!

      The “Soviet money” AUG was exchanged for a regiment of naval missile carriers. (Tu-16 / 22M3).
      For the regiment, it was, in general, a one-way ticket. And this is with a nuclear strike on AB!
      1. rocket757 10 February 2020 08: 41 New
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        In the USSR, of course, there was always a calculation for perseverance, skill and HEROISM of pilots, justified by the way! But just like that, send without return, why did you decide so ??? There was no such thing! Everything possible was done to save the crews, if that!
        1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 08: 57 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          But just like that, send without return, why did you decide so ??? There was no such thing! Everything possible was done to save the crews, if that!

          The Soviet Union has never counted on “suicide bombers,” but the AUG is a very well-defended and moving target and the very logic of fighting AUG is a very difficult task.
          Therefore, up to 2 regiments of naval missile aircraft were allocated for search and destruction.
          Crucial for designation. But in real time, there was no opportunity to track the possibility.
          By air, the fighters of AB Tu-shki could not conduct an air battle by definition.
          Therefore, losses were inevitable. How much? No one knows that. How the chip will fall.
          1. rocket757 10 February 2020 09: 17 New
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            Quote: Victor_B
            Crucial for designation. But in real time, there was no opportunity to track the possibility.

            The technique does not stand still. I always point out that such a component as Strategic and other types of reconnaissance and control is one of the main elements of the country's defense capability.
          2. Magog 10 February 2020 10: 52 New
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            By air, the fighters of AB Tu-shki could not conduct an air battle by definition. I am confused by the lack of an arrow in the tail of the Tu-160. Initially, they were there with twin air guns. I can understand that the on-board electronic warfare systems do not allow the enemy to use missiles (accordingly, air combat was reduced to drawing closer to a visual cannon shot), but the absence of an arrow in the tail is something out of the ordinary!
            1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 11: 35 New
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              Quote: Magog
              I am confused by the lack of an arrow in the tail of the Tu-160. They were originally there

              The Tu-160 has never had a stern gunner.
              1. Victor_B 10 February 2020 11: 37 New
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                Quote: Piramidon
                The Tu-160 has never had a stern gunner.

                He mixed up with the Tu-22M3. Probably.
                1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 11: 45 New
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                  Quote: Victor_B
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  The Tu-160 has never had a stern gunner.

                  He mixed up with the Tu-22M3. Probably.

                  The Tu-22M3 has a remotely controlled stern cannon mount. There is no such crewman as the stern shooter. Of the current combat aircraft, he remained only on the Tu-95 and Tu-142
                  1. Magog 10 February 2020 12: 02 New
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                    As for the Tu-160, a discovery for me. Until now, I considered the presence of guns in the stern of a strategist - by itself ... The question remains: and how to defend against annoying fighters? I believe that the Tu-160 is simply not included in the zone of responsibility of air defense aircraft - in extreme cases, it simply quickly leaves the pursuit.
        2. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 09: 02 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          But just like that, send without return,

          It was so. No return aircraft. Our first carriers of nuclear bombs could reach America, but there was no way back.
          And therefore, the option of submarine crew evacuation was considered.
          Everything possible was done to save the crews, if that!

          That yes
      2. Piramidon 10 February 2020 11: 30 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        The “Soviet money” AUG was exchanged for a regiment of naval missile carriers.

        Means of destruction are being improved. Then the flight range of anti-ship missiles was measured by a couple of hundred kilometers. And the aircraft - their carrier had to enter the AUG air defense coverage area.
    4. Fedorov 10 February 2020 07: 20 New
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      Really - nothing. Well, if in a complex with escort to certain distances. And it is not at all necessary to beat Los Angeles with New York, for example, there are enough goals and much closer. .
    5. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 07: 51 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      and what range?

      Yes, ktozh will tell you
      They won’t enter the air defense zone
      1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 08: 08 New
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        If the “Dagger” is an analog of Iskander, and there was 500 km, then the Dagger has 700, with a strength of 800 km. And to take into account the clarity with target designation and how slowly everything is being done with us and the number of these Tu-160s, we shout in vain with cheers, while the Americans have nothing to worry about.
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          KCA 10 February 2020 08: 28 New
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          The Iskander fell under the INF Treaty, so the range did not exceed 500 km, there were no restrictions on air-based missiles, but now there’s absolutely no
        2. rocket757 10 February 2020 08: 35 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          while the Americans have nothing to worry about.

          So it’s not for “disturbing”, it’s like a warning “don’t poke around where you’re not called,” that's all.
          By the way, and who can claim that we have intelligence tools, i.e. find and indicate if there is \ will not be tip-top? This is precisely the reason for the "concern."
          1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 08: 45 New
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            In my opinion, on the contrary, the United States had more "anxiety" when they felt that we could reach any target deep in their territory, Daggers could not do this.
        3. Piramidon 10 February 2020 11: 55 New
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          And to take into account ambiguities with target designation and how slowly everything is being done with us

          Even in the glorious Soviet times, our Tu-95RTs were found by the Yankees AUGs even at the transition from the USA to Europe and issued target designations for them by submarines.
          1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 13: 07 New
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            In peacetime, yes, they did, but in wartime our Tu-95s will not be allowed to approach the detection distance, they will be knocked down.
            1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 13: 22 New
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              In peacetime, yes, they did, but in wartime our Tu-95s will not be allowed to approach the detection distance, they will be knocked down.

              But after all, the ACG will also need to approach our shores for the range of action of their carrier-based aircraft. And our coastal radars and the same A-50/100 will be able to give target designation, acting under the cover of our air defense
              1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 13: 44 New
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                Here, I specifically looked at Wikipedia about the A-50 radar, here:
                "Range of detection of ground targets:
                single target type of launcher of operational-tactical missiles: up to 300 km
                group goals such as "column of tanks": up to 250 km
                Detection range of marine targets (with EPR 250 m²): to the radio horizon "

                Further, he determined the radio horizon by calculator from the Internet, taking the ship’s height to 25 meters, which is a lot with a margin, and the radar height to 10 km, received a radio horizon of 412 km. Now answer who will let our A-50 go to such a distance to the AUG in wartime?
                1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 16: 34 New
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                  Now answer who will let our A-50 go to such a distance to the AUG in wartime?

                  And at what distance should the AUG approach our coast in order to use its carrier-based aircraft? What does not have to do with beaches, but some distance from the coast inland. At the same time, the A-50 does not have to circle over their masts. 200-300 kilometers from the coast + range of its radar under the guise of fighters and air defense systems
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                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  Further, he determined the radio horizon by calculator from the Internet, taking the ship’s height to 25 meters, which is a lot with a margin, and the radar height to 10 km, received a radio horizon of 412 km.

                  Fan-fan! Do not confuse radiogоradio visibility, these are two big differences!
          2. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 13: 45 New
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            Even in the glorious Soviet times, our Tu-95RC was found by the Yankees AUGs even at the transition from the USA to Europe

            in a combat situation the crews of the Tu-95RC - suicide bombers
            1. Piramidon 10 February 2020 16: 44 New
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              in a combat situation the crews of the Tu-95RC - suicide bombers

              Now there are none. The latter were cut in 1993. Well, actually, yes. It was believed that if a regiment could issue a command and control unit as a result of which an aircraft carrier would be destroyed, then even in the event of the death of the entire regiment, the task would be considered completed.
      2. rocket757 10 February 2020 08: 38 New
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        Yes, ktozh will tell you
        They won’t enter the air defense zone

        The question was rhetorical;
        1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 41 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          The question was rhetorical;

          Got it hi
    6. Shopping Mall 10 February 2020 08: 51 New
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      Strategic Tu-160 bombers will arm dagger missiles, turning them into hypersonic systems

      Everything is clear, but what range?
      Such a large object does not come close to the enemy’s air defense control zone!


      I considered placing a Dagger on the Tu-160 a year ago in an article Hypersonic "Dagger" on the Tu-160. Reality or fictionl?
      https://topwar.ru/153987-giperzvukovoj-kinzhal-na-tu-160-realnost-ili-vymysel.html
      1. rocket757 10 February 2020 09: 12 New
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        Impact systems evolve like everything else. it is a smashing SWORD.
        It is clear that any serious power will not be limited to just active defense.
        The question is ripe, they will find a way to implement it.
  • Mountain shooter 10 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    I believe that such a monster of 12 pieces "Daggers" can carry inside the fuselage. He has drum sets for cruise missiles. A pair of such aircraft on patrol - perhaps it would be scary for the adversary ...
    1. Fedorov 10 February 2020 06: 57 New
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      2 drums of 6 pieces? May God grant that in size they fit other parameters. It’s not in vain that they are being modernized, and I think not only because of avionics.
      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 07: 54 New
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        May God grant that in size they fit other parameters.

        Redo to fit
        1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 08: 12 New
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          And in my opinion, the "old" X-101 missiles are much more effective, since they have a range of 5000 km and can reach any place in the United States, which is not possible for a dagger.
          1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 37 New
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            And in my opinion the "old" X-101 missiles are much more effective,

            "Dagger" hypersonic. So it is guaranteed to reach the goal.
            X-101 will not give such a guarantee
            1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 08: 46 New
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              It will not fly exactly, since the X-101 has a range of 10 times greater.
              1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 09: 08 New
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                Will not fly for sure

                Why not fly? It is almost impossible to shoot him down, unlike the X-101
                since the X-101 range is 10 times greater.

                Do you know the flight range of the Dagger?
                What does the range have to do with it, if the X-101 can be shot down, but the “Dagger" is impossible?
                Well, if the target of the “Dagger" is 10 times closer then it will fly?
                1. Cyrus 10 February 2020 12: 22 New
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                  What makes you think that a dagger cannot be shot down?
                  1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 33 New
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                    What makes you think that a dagger cannot be shot down?

                    Actually the Dagger is a hypersonic missile. While it seems that there are no such air defense systems in the world that can bring it down
                    1. Cyrus 10 February 2020 12: 52 New
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                      Actually, no, this is an aeroballistic missile, in the second missile launcher the standard SM-3 block may well, it is basically intended for this.
                      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 03 New
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                        No, it's just a rocket
                        X-47M2 "Dagger" - the Russian hypersonic aviation missile system. Hypersonic missiles of the complex are capable of hitting both stationary objects and surface ships: aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and frigates

                        Inet while funds to bring her down. When they created this block about hypersonic missiles, no one had ever heard of, and therefore, it couldn’t be intended for it in any way
                      2. Cyrus 10 February 2020 13: 11 New
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                        I repeat the dagger "... the missile is not winged, but" aeroballistic "- the trajectory of the rocket is maintained at the expense of high speed. The MiG-31 fighter, specially upgraded to launch this missile, actually serves as its first stage, launching outside dense layers of the atmosphere at altitudes from 12 to 15 thousand meters. The rocket also flies at the border of the stratosphere in order to avoid significant air resistance. [11] ... "SM-3 is designed to destroy ballistic targets outside the atmosphere (warheads of ballistic missiles and spacecraft in low orbits). For their guidance, a modified Aigis BIUS is used. Missiles of this generation are used to intercept space targets and short- and medium-range ballistic missiles in any part of the trajectory (at dispersal, ballistic section and at the entrance to the atmosphere) and are designed to defend fleet or ground targets from a limited missile attack.
                        In general, the problem of all new types of weapons is the NTR, you will not have time to come up with something new as a counter to come up with a "shield".
                      3. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 21 New
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                        . The rocket is not winged, but

                        Well, after all, a rocket
                        And nobody can knock her down yet
                        You prove that you can bring down hypersonic.
                        Then what will happen to the X-101?
                        Don't run it at all?
                      4. Cyrus 12 February 2020 09: 51 New
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                        I’m trying to show that the bet on “weapons of retaliation” is basically wrong, you can shoot down everything and X101 / 102 and the Dagger and Poseidon, the same applies to the state’s weapons.
                        STR happened in the 90s. excludes the very possibility of a superweapon coming up in the near future without the appearance of a shield from it (although I like the Wassabi project, but there is a deep disturbing silence).
                        What to do? “God is on the side of large battalions” —better300-500MBR (partly with avant-garde, partly with classic warheads) than 10-15 at best Poseidons, better than a hundred X101 / 102 and calibers than dozens of “Burevesniks”, etc. that as scientific research, both Poseidon and Petrel are probably important, but in the military sense zilch.
                        In addition, regarding the Dagger, placing it on the only heavy interceptor that can cover our ICBMs at the start and partially at the booster stage is not even a betrayal, it is worse, this is a mistake.
          2. PPD
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            Do you know the flight range of the Dagger?

            2000-2500km. from the airfield base.
            Therefore, the defeat of targets at such a distance is still possible, but they will not reach America.
            Range X 101 - 5500 km.
            There are no daggers on that 22. These are just plans.
            Read the news correctly- CAN am appear, or maybe not.
            News in tonality — there is now — a small minority.
            The Iskander is difficult to shoot down because at the final segment the speed is higher than the possibility of air defense, and on the ballistic section the missile spends little time. And if this section is enlarged, then a hypothetical opportunity arises to overthrow it, and taking into account the constant approximation of NATO units also with the carrier.
            And when it’s all, God forbid, one should wait for a new portion of stench from the “bearers of democracy”. laughing
          3. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 13: 32 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            It is almost impossible to shoot him down, unlike the X-101

            Who told you such a heresy? There are missile defense systems that can bring down hypersonic targets. From a shorter distance, of course, but knocked down.

            Quote: Lipchanin
            Well, if the target of the “Dagger" is 10 times closer then it will fly?

            But nothing that the X-101 is launched outside the enemy air defense, without exposing the carrier to unnecessary risk? And the dagger will cling to throw, breaking through the attacking fighters, and then through a swarm of enemy missiles. How many planes will survive before launch, and how many more will be knocked down at the departure? Range is a very important indicator. Let the rocket fly relatively slowly, but low, it is stealth, and there will be a whole swarm of them. It’s almost impossible to dismiss such a tricked-out layered air defense.
            1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 42 New
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              And the dagger will cling to throw, breaking through the attacking fighters, and then through a swarm of enemy missiles.

              He that from 10 km will let her go? What is the range of the “Dagger"?
              Why climb into the heat?
              but low, she is stealth, and there will be a whole swarm of them.

              So fly to her in America.
              "Dagger" there is nothing to do. Goals closer in bulk
              1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 14: 10 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                He that from 10 km will let her go?

                and enemy fighter aircraft and AWACS patrols not 10 km from the target. At a distance of several hundred kilometers.

                Quote: Lipchanin
                What is the range of the “Dagger"?

                enlighten

                Quote: Lipchanin
                "Dagger" there is nothing to do. Goals closer in bulk

                which ones? And if the goals are closer, then why do we need an airplane with an intercontinental range? It can handle the same high-speed, but cheaper Tu-22M3, right?
                1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 14: 30 New
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                  And if the goals are closer, then why do we need an airplane with an intercontinental range? It can handle the same high-speed, but cheaper Tu-22M3, right?

                  It will cope when the AUG approaches our shores.
                  At the distant approaches, just need the Tu-160.
                  With its altitude and speed, the flight range of the “Dagger” will be greater than that of the Tu-22M3.
                  In general, I don’t understand why we even started this argument. Probably all the same, experts in the Moscow Defense Ministry have more than once calculated and tried on everything. It’s just that they don’t come to such decisions from the ceiling.
                  And they know more than us. Most likely, there are such compelling arguments for the Tu-160 alteration that we will not soon learn about
                2. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 14: 42 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Most likely there are such compelling arguments for remaking the Tu-160

                  we have only 10 (10 Karl!) Tu-160 missile carriers. And these beautiful strategists want to turn into do not understand what. And get 6 strategists and 4 missile carriers with daggers? But who needs them in such quantity?

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Probably all the same, experts in the Moscow Defense Ministry have more than once calculated and tried on everything. They just don’t come to such decisions from the ceiling.

                  yeah, it’s either a marketing move, they’ll talk and forget, or conscious wrecking, the collapse of our aerial component of the nuclear triad. Choose what you like.
                3. Demon_is_ada 10 February 2020 17: 42 New
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                  Well, I wouldn’t say so ... the efficiency of such a tactical strike for a small mess increases significantly ... with a simple warhead, it doesn’t seem to the country the size and level of France to speak about the UBC. And the most annoying thing for sworn partners is that at least 20 years of age that is practically unintercepted from the word at least wassat
  • Grigory_45 10 February 2020 13: 34 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    Redo to fit

    what will they redo - a rocket or a plane ???
    1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Quote: Gregory_45
      what will they redo - a rocket or a plane ???

      And neither one nor the other.
      The carrier will remake the rocket mount
      1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 14: 05 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        The carrier will remake the rocket mount

        Do you offer to carry them on the outside? belay
        1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 14: 18 New
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          Do you offer to carry them on the outside?

          I do not offer anything.
          I’m just saying that if a decision has been made to equip the Tu-160 with a Caliber missile, it is the airplane, and not the missile, that will be altered.
          And no one will drag on the external suspension either.
          If such a decision is made, then they already know where and how to place it. And nobody, from the word absolutely, my proposals, like yours, do not care
          1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 14: 27 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            if it is decided to equip the Tu-160 with a Caliber rocket, the plane will be subjected to some kind of alteration

            I guess there's a typo - do you need to read the Dagger? If so, then you should know that the Dagger is much larger than the currently used missiles of the X-555 and X-101 family. And they will fit one in each of the two bomb bay bomber. Those. instead of 12 cruise missiles (6 on each launcher), the aircraft will carry only two daggers, which I will explain to you.

            Quote: Lipchanin
            And nobody, from the word absolutely, my sentences ... do not care

            so why are you writing anything at all?
            1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 14: 35 New
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              I guess there's a typo - do you need to read the Dagger?

              Thank you hi
              Those. instead of 12 cruise missiles (6 on each launcher), the aircraft will carry only two daggers, which I will explain to you.

              I know that.
              But you said about the external suspension, I answered
              so why are you writing anything at all?

              Just answered your question here
              you suggest
  • Pushkowed 10 February 2020 07: 48 New
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    Alas, most likely he will raise only a couple of “Daggers”. Even the X-55 (in which the diameter is designed for a 533-mm torpedo tube) fit into the compartment in the 6-charge drum almost end-to-end. And the "Dagger" has a diameter of 920 mm. Yes, and stabilizers - it turns out more than a meter. The drum should have a diameter of about 2,5-3 times the diameter of the rocket (this is the most-presumable minimum!), And it turns out that more than one “Dagger” will not fit into each of the two compartments.
  • Grigory_45 10 February 2020 13: 37 New
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    I believe that such a monster of 12 pieces "Daggers" can carry inside the fuselage

    you cut the sturgeon. Compare the dimensions of the same X-101, X-55 and Dagger. God forbid that a pair of daggers fit into each bomb bay, but most likely, each will fit only one - i.e. two pieces on a plane. Not liquid? The backfire T-22M3 on external load will carry as much. Why karma already small number of strategists, turning them into a tactical missile carrier?
  • Fedorov 10 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    Yes, and the Tu-22m showed photos already like them. Maybe a fake. But personally, I believe.
    1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 01 New
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      Quote: Fedorov
      . Maybe a fake.

      Not a fake. It was immediately said about this that three types of aircraft will be armed with “Daggers”
  • pru-pavel 10 February 2020 06: 47 New
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    Now it will be possible to write in the news about the fact that ".... strategic modernized aerospace hypersonic Tu-160M ​​systems (abbreviated SMVKGZK Tu-160M) took off for dagger patrols ...."
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      Quote: pru-pavel
      strategic modernized aerospace hypersonic Tu-160M ​​systems (abbreviated SMVKGZK Tu-160M) flew for dagger patrols .... "

      Sounds nice good
  • Nikolaevich I 10 February 2020 07: 09 New
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    Fresh tradition ... but there are some confusion! In the “bundle” of the “MiG-31-“ Dagger ”, the MiG-31 serves as an acceleration unit for the“ Dagger ”... In order to achieve the“ planned ”characteristics of the“ Dagger ”, the MiG-31 is obliged to“ launch the “Dagger”, having reached a certain speed. ..not less! The Tu-160, of course, is supersonic, but can it provide the necessary starting speed for the “Dagger”? Will the question “equip the“ Dagger ”with an additional starting accelerator? How will the length of the“ product ”increase? ? Then will it be possible to "squeeze" into the Tu-160 an expedient "number of" daggers "? ... what
    1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 04 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The Tu-160, of course, is supersonic, but will it be able to provide the necessary starting speed for the Dagger?

      Which one?
      "Dagger" no matter what speed to start
      It’s just that with a higher acceleration speed, the range increases, that's all
      1. Nikolaevich I 10 February 2020 10: 35 New
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        "Dagger" no matter what speed to start

        And what cue did the MiG-31 make then the dagger? Moreover, with the condition of starting at the highest possible speed! At the same time, the MiG-31 carries one dagger! Why not immediately arm the Tu-22M3 with a “dagger ... and the Tu-95 at the same time ?! If the "Dagger" does not matter? And what about "range"? "Different ranges are needed ... all sorts of ranges are important!
        1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 15 New
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          Moreover, with the condition of starting at the highest possible speed!

          There is no such condition. Just the speed of the carrier depends on the range of the rocket
          At the same time, the MiG-31 carries one dagger! P

          Can no longer carry.
          For a nuclear warhead with a nuclear warhead and one rocket is enough
          Why not immediately arm the Tu-22M3 with a “dagger .."

          They will arm. If not already armed. In any case, such infa passed
          Tu-95 at the same time

          He is subsonic
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Moreover, with the condition of starting at the highest possible speed!

            There is no such condition. Just the speed of the carrier depends on the range of the rocket

            I don’t argue against this “fad” (flight range) ... but the range of hypersonic speeds and the “path length” that the “dagger” overcomes in “hypersound” depend on the initial speed of the carrier + TTX of the engine ... the more speed, the "longer" the "dagger" is called hypersonic!
            Quote: Lipchanin
            For a nuclear warhead with a nuclear warhead and one rocket is enough

            Eka you waved! Do you absolutely need to start a nuclear war? belay And it’s not a 100% fact that a nuclear missile will certainly reach the target! (and if they knock down? Let not "now", but in 8-10 years ...? ... and an error in entering the coordinates ...? and a technical malfunction? And the results of the electronic warfare?)
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Why not immediately arm the Tu-22M3 with a “dagger .."

            They will arm. If not already armed.
            Yes, the “question” is not: will they arm or not arm (!), But what kind of “form” ?! "Dagger" -X-47M2 (what is available ...) ... or modified ... for example, with some kind of "accelerating block" ... of a hypothetical type X-49M!?

            Quote: Lipchanin
            Tu-95 at the same time

            He is subsonic

            So, they themselves said ... the speed of the carrier only affects the range! Or maybe the range with the Tu-95 is useful? Or slave the corresponding "booster block" and then the Tu-95 will do?
    2. Pushkowed 10 February 2020 08: 12 New
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      “Dagger” is essentially a modified “Iskander”. The length of the Iskander is about 7,3 meters. The “Dagger” added a tail fairing, which makes the total length of the rocket longer: 8,3 ... 8,5 meters. The Tu-160 bomb bay is designed for missiles up to 10,8 meters long, so you can attach an accelerator. Although the question remains of the advisability of developing a separate modification of the "Dagger". You still have to dismantle the drum set (it is not designed for the “Daggers”), the number of “Daggers” will most likely be 2 pieces (1 per compartment). The ability to make at least a 3-charge drum raises great doubts (what will be the lateral loads on the holders in this case ?!). But even in its original, unmodified form, the Dagger + Tu-160 ligament is of interest. It's like an air-based Iskander. Flew up, let go, flew away. Intercepting a “Dagger” is more difficult than a cruise missile. Range at start from subsonic, of course, will be small. But still farther than the Iskander (he generally shoots from the ground).
      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 39 New
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        Range at start from subsonic,

        What a subsonic. They are put on supersonic carriers
        1. Pushkowed 10 February 2020 08: 43 New
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          Can a supersonic Tu-160 open a bomb gate directly at supersonic? Or should he first slow down to subsonic?
      2. Iline 10 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        Tu-160 strategic missile carrier. And to redo it only under, albeit hypersonic, but shorter range, missiles, in a smaller quantity than he can now hang on board, this is stupid enough. To work at such ranges, there is a Tu-22M3 and there is a sense of improvements for Daggers.
        1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 13: 18 New
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          So I tried, I tried in my comments to convey to the people the idea that 12 X-101 cruise missiles are much more important than a pair of Daggers and empty. Moreover, the X-101 can destroy the target, approximately, with a small city anywhere in the United States. A dagger - it just does not reach the targets inside the United States.
          1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 49 New
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            So I tried, I tried in my comments to convey to the people the thought

            So they are trying to convey to you that there is nothing “Dagger” in America to do. Let X fly there.
            "The dagger is needed primarily for the destruction of the AUG and he does not need such a range.
            Each rocket has its own tasks.
            1. Fan-fan 10 February 2020 13: 57 New
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              Why, then, convert the Tu-160 super-plane into a carrier Daggers, Daggers and aircraft can carry easier. And the Tu-160 is threatening precisely because it can hit targets in the depths of the United States.
              1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 14: 06 New
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                Why then remodel the Tu-160 super-plane into a dagger carrier,

                Speed, range, time spent in the air.
                That is, the possibility of defeating AUG on distant approaches. And the MiG-31 is already at close quarters. Something like this
                Yes, probably they will not redo everything. There is no sense in this. Redo a few pieces and that's it. As they don’t redo all Migi under the “Dagger”. The rest will remain strategists
      3. voyaka uh 10 February 2020 10: 52 New
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        "It's like an Air-based Iskander. It flew up, launched, flew away. Intercepting the" Dagger "is more difficult than a cruise missile" ////
        ----
        good
        You have outlined everything exactly.
  • Leprikon5656 10 February 2020 07: 16 New
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    The news somehow flashed on the network that allegedly Chinese hackers said (unofficially) that they had created a virus that could give a false signal to the Russian Armed Forces that the US launched a nuclear attack on us .... well, with all the consequences .... interestingly, they lie ??? If they don’t lie, then daggers can come in handy! And not only them)))
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      ... interesting, they lie ???
      smile
      They don’t lie ... I have a nuclear suitcase lying under the table ... you open it and there ... Stolichnaya, Zubrovka ... Finnish ... click on any such nuclear strike, you’ll get mom not to worry.
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        Quote: The same Lech
        .Capital, Bison ... Finnish ...

        I have the same one. Only the model is old
        1. Same lech 10 February 2020 08: 07 New
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          Where are the White Sea Canal cigarettes? smile
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            Quote: The same Lech
            Where are the White Sea Canal cigarettes? smile

            Didn't hit the frame laughing
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          Yes, you are simply a follower of healthy lifestyle
          1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 13: 49 New
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            Yes, you are simply a follower of healthy lifestyle

            And then laughing
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      And how do they plan to launch their virus in the SPRN? And do they even know what OS it is? What are the network sharing protocols? Or do you think that there is Windows 95 or XP, as in America, and the network works according to Ethernet standards and exchanges IP packets?
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        And how do they plan to launch their virus in the SPRN? And do they even know what OS it is? What are the network sharing protocols? Or do you think that there is Windows 95 or XP, as in America, and the network works according to Ethernet standards and exchanges IP packets?

        Yeah it's a joke laughing
    3. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 08: 12 New
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      then daggers can come in handy!

      Cut the sausage for a snack? lol
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      capable of giving a false signal to the Russian Armed Forces that the US launched a nuclear strike on us

      So what? For this, there are SPRN radars (which will detect launching rockets over many thousand kilometers), satellites (which will see torches of launching rockets), as well as a direct hot line between the heads of state and senior military officials, (are you awesome there, or what? What? ??) to make sure a false attack or not. In a rush, no one will press a button without making sure that a nuclear attack has been carried out. Because of the false alarms and failures in the technique, which said that an incredible enemy was carrying out a nuclear attack, there were not one or two during the years of the Cold War. The mechanism is worked out to the smallest detail.
  • Flanker27 10 February 2020 07: 20 New
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    I think it will be carrying the product on an external sling in order to provide initial speed. It is hardly possible to open hatches and drop a 2M rocket for launch.
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      It is hardly possible to open hatches and drop a 2M rocket for launch.

      very possible. In practice, supersonic bombing was used, in particular, from the American B-1 and F-22. And they carry weapons in the internal compartments. In order to push the product out, use AKU. So the dagger will start at a speed of 2M
  • Pashhenko Nikolay 10 February 2020 08: 37 New
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    Someone blurted out something, referring to an unknown source and everyone had straight hats flying into the air. They turn a strategy into a tactical bomber and rejoice.
    1. Shopping Mall 10 February 2020 08: 59 New
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      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Someone blurted out something, referring to an unknown source and everyone had straight hats flying into the air. They turn a strategy into a tactical bomber and rejoice.


      1. From the fact that he will be able to carry the “Dagger”, he will not cease to be strategic.
      2. From strategic aviation, from the point of view of nuclear deterrence, there is almost no sense.
      3. Strategic bombers and submarines with missiles are the only "long arm" of our armed forces at the moment. So some kind of Papuan will send us, for example, capturing a ship, but there’s nothing for us to answer, just to wipe ourselves ...
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        From the fact that he will be able to carry the “Dagger”, he will not cease to be strategic.

        Will stop. Aircraft can carry only Daggers, in the amount of 4 pieces, the current range of weapons under it can no longer be suspended.

        Quote: AVM
        From strategic aviation, from the point of view of nuclear deterrence, almost no sense.

        Quote: AVM
        Strategic bombers and missile submarines are the only long arm of our armed forces at present

        don’t think you contradict yourself?

        Quote: AVM
        some kind of Papuan will send us, for example, capturing a ship, but there’s nothing for us to answer, just wipe it ...

        yeah, here's the Papuans only daggers and shoot, nothing more ..)))
        1. Shopping Mall 10 February 2020 13: 52 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: AVM
          From the fact that he will be able to carry the “Dagger”, he will not cease to be strategic.

          Will stop. Aircraft can carry only Daggers, in the amount of 4 pieces, the current range of weapons under it can no longer be suspended.


          This is exactly? Or will there be different equipment options? It is possible that installation / disassembly will be more difficult than simply outweighing the X-101 // X-100, but is it possible?

          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: AVM
          From strategic aviation, from the point of view of nuclear deterrence, almost no sense.

          Quote: AVM
          Strategic bombers and missile submarines are the only long arm of our armed forces at present

          don’t think you contradict yourself?


          No. It may be necessary to defeat naval targets, which seems to be stated at the Dagger. In addition, the Tu-160 + Dagger will have the highest reaction rate. Above is only for MBR with a non-nuclear block. I considered all this a year ago: https://topwar.ru/153987-giperzvukovoj-kinzhal-na-tu-160-realnost-ili-vymysel.html

          A little more here: https://topwar.ru/161030-strategicheskie-konvencionalnye-sily-nositeli-i-vooruzhenie.html

          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: AVM
          some kind of Papuan will send us, for example, capturing a ship, but there’s nothing for us to answer, just wipe it ...

          yeah, here's the Papuans only daggers and shoot, nothing more ..)))


          There is nothing. Think X-101 or "Caliber" (launch from submarines) will be cheaper? and we’re not dodging freefalls, and there may not be enough range.

          And I also have big doubts about the expediency of bombers for nuclear deterrence. If for an offensive strike still no matter where, then as a means of retaliatory strike, they are useless, considered this question here: https://topwar.ru/166210-zakat-jadernoj-triady-vozdushnyj-i-nazemnyj-komponenty-sjas .html
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            Quote: AVM
            Or will there be different equipment options?

            will not be. The drums will have to be dismantled; instead, they must install AKU for Daggers. Well, the control system, of course, also needs to be redone.

            Quote: AVM
            It may be necessary to destroy naval targets

            Tu-22M3 were created for this task. No need to make an anti-ship aircraft from a strategist. He has slightly different tasks.

            Quote: AVM
            some kind of Papuan will send us, for example, capturing a ship, but there’s nothing for us to answer, just wipe it ...

            it is precisely for such purposes that cruise missiles and adjustable bombs are most suitable. Or are you putting some special meaning into the concept of "Papuan"?
            1. Shopping Mall 10 February 2020 17: 11 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              Quote: AVM
              Or will there be different equipment options?

              will not be. The drums will have to be dismantled; instead, they must install AKU for Daggers. Well, the control system, of course, also needs to be redone.

              Quote: AVM
              It may be necessary to destroy naval targets

              Tu-22M3 were created for this task. No need to make an anti-ship aircraft from a strategist. He has slightly different tasks.


              And what are the strategic tasks now? Fly close to Norway and England?

              - The Tu-22M3 has much less range and combat load.
              - We do not produce them anymore, and Tu-160, probably, will be. If we had as many Tu-22M3 as the USSR ...
              - How many Tu-22M3 will drag the Daggers, at what range and at normal speed? And how many Tu-160? On the Tu-160 + Dagger or Zircon, you can get such a response speed that you can not get otherwise. Immediately after the discovery of AUG or KUG - start, supersonic throw, launch and farewell. There is no other way for us to solve this problem. Tu-22M3 with one dagger, we will not scratch so much.

              Quote: Gregory_45
              Quote: AVM
              some kind of Papuan will send us, for example, capturing a ship, but there’s nothing for us to answer, just wipe it ...

              it is precisely for such purposes that cruise missiles and adjustable bombs are most suitable. Or are you putting some special meaning into the concept of "Papuan"?


              Yes, who knows. The world is unpredictable. Any country that does not possess nuclear weapons.
              I admit, the word "Papuan" may not sound entirely correct.
              1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 18: 01 New
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                Quote: AVM
                The Tu-22M3 has much less range and combat load.

                he will drag two daggers
                there is such a thing as a refueling system in the air
                Are you hoping for an AUG attack in the open ocean? This is pure suicide without the cover of its fighter aircraft. Which we do not have, and, apparently, is no longer in sight. All that remains for us is to prevent the ASG from approaching the coast at a distance of effective airstrikes. The Tu-22M3 will do just fine with this.

                Quote: AVM
                How many Tu-22M3 will drag Daggers, at what range and at normal speed? And how many Tu-160?

                The Tuk-160 will also take a pair of Daggers. More bombs will not fit.
                In addition, the Tu-160 we have only 10, and backfires - six dozen. Some of them, converted for Daggers, are quite able to close the gap until truly hypersonic long-range missiles appear.
                1. Shopping Mall 11 February 2020 10: 37 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Quote: AVM
                  The Tu-22M3 has much less range and combat load.

                  he will drag two daggers


                  On an external sling? He will not come to supersonic.

                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  there is such a thing as a refueling system in the air


                  Which immediately complicates the combat operation and greatly reduces the reaction time. Yes, and we have few refuelers.

                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Are you hoping for an AUG attack in the open ocean? This is pure suicide without the cover of its fighter aircraft. Which we do not have, and, apparently, is no longer in sight. All that remains for us is to prevent the ASG from approaching the coast at a distance of effective airstrikes. The Tu-22M3 will do just fine with this.


                  According to all calculations, the range of the Dagger (the missile itself) is not less than 1000 km. The Tu-160 has a radius of action at a cruising speed of 1,5 M, without refueling - 2000 km.
                  With the fastest possible access to the target with a cruising speed of 1,5M, the total radius of destruction of the Dagger complex will be 3000 km. This mode will provide a minimum response time to the threat and allow you to act in the interests of three fleets. The maximum time, from the moment of take-off (without taking into account the time of preparing the aircraft for take-off), to the moment of hitting the target at a distance of 3000-3500 km, in this mode will be approximately 2-2,5 hours.

                  In the most economical mode, when flying at subsonic speeds at high altitude, the radius of impact will be 7000-7500 km. This mode allows you to use the Tu-160М / М2 with the Dagger complex in the interests of all four fleets.

                  No other weapon can realize this. Given the short flight time and the launch distance of 1000 km, it is far from a fact that the enemy will organize a “meeting”. The F-18 has a range of 720 km (will not reach at all), the F-35 has 1140 km (they will wander back and forth, because they need to be shot down beforehand, and not after the launch of the Daggers). And if the dagger has a range of not 1000, but 1200-1500 km?

                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Quote: AVM
                  How many Tu-22M3 will drag Daggers, at what range and at normal speed? And how many Tu-160?

                  The Tuk-160 will also take a pair of Daggers. More bombs will not fit.


                  I would still count on 4 missiles, 2 on a bomb bay.

                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  In addition, the Tu-160 we have only 10, and backfires - six dozen. Some of them, converted for Daggers, are quite able to close the gap until truly hypersonic long-range missiles appear.


                  So it is planned to release 50 pcs. new ones. If 15 of them are made under the "Dagger", then this is 60 missiles in one hit. This is extremely difficult to repel any air defense. And if it is supplemented by a strike from the anti-ship missiles from the SSBN (https://topwar.ru/153714-atomnye-podvodnye-lodki-nositeli-krylatyh-raket-realnost-i-perspektivy.html), then KUG / AUG will not be greeted.
                  1. Grigory_45 11 February 2020 11: 27 New
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                    Quote: AVM
                    On an external sling?

                    naturally. In the same way as the Tu-22M3 drags X - 22/32

                    Quote: AVM
                    Yes, and we have a little refueling.

                    few. And this disadvantage will have to be eliminated by anyone. The current fleet of tankers does not meet the needs of tactical, strategic or transport aviation. Need to solve the problem, not dance from it

                    Quote: AVM
                    With the fastest possible access to the target with a cruising speed of 1,5M, the total radius of destruction of the Dagger complex will be 3000 km.

                    But what is the range of Backfires taking off from coastal airfields? It will be comparable with the radius of the Tu-160 flying out of Engels. Yes, and reaction time - too

                    Quote: AVM
                    Given the short flight time and the launch distance of 1000 km, it is far from a fact that the enemy will organize a “meeting”.

                    are you AWACS of the enemy completely discarded? After all, there will hang not only deck Hokkai, but also land Sentry, and not in a single copy. Attacking aircraft will detect even before the launch of missiles, especially those traveling at high altitude. And organize a "warm" welcome.

                    Quote: AVM
                    So it is planned to release 50 pcs. new ones. If there are 15 units

                    keyword - planned. And - until what year ?. Moreover, not all plans are destined to come true, and we, alas, see this in all directions. And we need airplanes now. There are backfires that are great for this purpose, there are relatively many of them, and most of the resource has not yet crashed.
                    1. Shopping Mall 11 February 2020 13: 56 New
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                      Quote: AVM
                      With the fastest possible access to the target with a cruising speed of 1,5M, the total radius of destruction of the Dagger complex will be 3000 km.

                      But what is the range of Backfires taking off from coastal airfields? It will be comparable with the radius of the Tu-160 flying out of Engels. Yes, and reaction time - too


                      I agree, but there are two nuances:
                      - Coastal airfields are more vulnerable to a strike from the Tomahawk type of aircraft, and even carrier-based aircraft;
                      - Tu-160 can operate on supersonic in the interests of the Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets, and on subsonic Pacific, and Tu-22M3 will have to be relocated back and forth.

                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Quote: AVM
                      Given the short flight time and the launch distance of 1000 km, it is far from a fact that the enemy will organize a “meeting”.

                      are you AWACS of the enemy completely discarded? After all, there will hang not only deck Hokkai, but also land Sentry, and not in a single copy. Attacking aircraft will detect even before the launch of missiles, especially those traveling at high altitude. And organize a "warm" welcome.


                      They will be heavily constrained by maneuver; they will have to stay where AWACs and ground fighters will be. By itself, AWACS will not give them protection, what is the use of it if there is not enough radius for carrier-based aviation "to meet"? Anyway, covering the circle with a radius of 1000 km on all sides is still a task; there are not enough AWACS aircraft. Given the radius of the Tu-160 on the fly, you can use the RTR aircraft to detect AWACS and enter from the other side.

                      Let's say there is AWACS, how many fighters will be next to it - 2 cars, 4 cars? How often do you have to rotate them? Or keep a refueling tank nearby and constantly refuel them? And if you call from the ground or an aircraft carrier - it will be too late, by their arrival the Tu-160 / Tu-22M3 will be fired by Daggers and fly home.

                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Quote: AVM
                      So it is planned to release 50 pcs. new ones. If there are 15 units

                      keyword - planned. And - until what year ?. Moreover, not all plans are destined to come true, and we, alas, see this in all directions. And we need airplanes now. There are backfires that are great for this purpose, there are relatively many of them, and most of the resource has not yet crashed.


                      Of course, this is only on condition that the plans for the production of new cars come true. Or if operational, without returning to the factory, replacement of missile launchers is provided. For example, if during a day you can replace the launchers for the Dagger with launchers for the X-100/101 (or develop unified launchers), then you can modify all existing Tu-160s.
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  • Maks1995 10 February 2020 09: 26 New
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    They seem to be only 10? + another 15 Mig with Daggers?

    Everything seems to be good, except for the number.
  • Alexander X 10 February 2020 09: 38 New
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    Here I am amazed at the forum participants. Do they not read articles on VO or just provocative stuffing on special orders? Then they write that our underwater strategists “can be seen clearly” and their position can be determined at any moment by any sensors, buoys and from space, although strategists try to hide like gophers in minks. And then they write that the huge surface masses began to work with locators and "smoking" pipes of diesel engines and turbines and noisy, like a thousand forges it is difficult to see. A "people hawala", judging by the discussions.
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      Then they write that our underwater strategists “can be seen clearly” and their position can be determined at any moment by any sensors, buoys and from space, although strategists try to hide like gophers in minks.

      That's exactly what they write ... and what they actually see there, only God knows ... so that people are hailing from both sides. smile
  • Ros 56 10 February 2020 09: 51 New
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    AUG striped enough kondrashka, as they learn about the take-off of strategists, and hell knows that he is suspended.
    1. Cyrus 10 February 2020 12: 27 New
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      Not enough, strategists have their own tasks ...
      1. Ros 56 10 February 2020 13: 15 New
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        Quite right, one task is to distract attention, the other to drown the barmaley, the third to duplicate the second upon failure, everyone has different tasks, but they work in one basket. And the fourth on the opposite side frees its drum from cruise missiles.
  • Cyrus 10 February 2020 12: 13 New
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    Feel free to ask why? It seems like the Tu 160 has completely different tasks?
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      Feel free to ask why? It seems like the Tu 160 has completely different tasks?

      absolutely right. The dagger bears a more logical look Tu-22. They just sharpened, including to fight ships.
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    As far as I know, during the Cold War, each AUG was followed by a communications vessel, which constantly transmitted its coordinates to the right place. I think it’s easy to implement the same trick in our time
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      Quote: Shadow shooter
      after each AUG as a shadow our communication vessel followed and constantly transmitted its coordinates to where necessary.

      And artillery cruisers walked in direct line of sight. To cover in one gulp and then die yourself. Gorgeous.

      and??? Well, he transmitted the coordinates, and what's the point? This ship will be sunk in a matter of minutes, and airplanes need to be guided for a longer time (I hope you do not need to explain what will be fired outside the ship's air defense zone?). Moreover, this does not solve the problem of target designation in any way - you need to "highlight" the target until you sweat until the "head" of the rocket closes on it.

      Quote: Shadow shooter
      I think it’s easy to implement the same trick in our time

      this boat is a floating coffin. It is not necessary to send boats, but to increase the satellite constellation.
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        I think when it comes to the start of real missile launches on real AUG, no one will count how many floating coffins where they lost. If the boat fulfills the mission and tells you in which square you need to launch a couple of three daggers with nuclear warheads, it will turn all participants in this action into floating coffins (an aircraft carrier and escort ships are floating graves in this case) wassat
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    Tu-160 is equipped with dagger missiles

    only for some reason they are modestly silent that after such a “modernization” the missile carrier will be able to carry only the “Daggers” and will not be able to use the current range of weapons (the drum sets will have to be dismantled since the “Dagger” is much larger and heavier than cruise missiles. Doubtful replacement.
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    Good deal .. The TU-160 from a great height can get US AUG daggers without approaching the AUG aviation range.
    The number of Dagger carriers has increased ... for the Americans, this is already a big problem.

    Why is it good. Another nonsense and desire to "plug a round hole with a square stopper", TU-160 has no other tasks than hunting for AUG? We no longer need strategic aviation. Well, it would be clear if there was a situation like that of the states that have about 60 B-1B bombers that are withdrawn from the strategic forces. Then, in the same situation, we could equip such bombers with “Daggers”.
    And here one and a half dozen really serious strategists, and they are offered to multiply them by zero. am

    Quote: The same Lech
    And can over-the-horizon radars be able to fix such a mass of floating iron at large distances?

    And what, ZGRLS panacea? And even then they are available 2. One, moreover, is not yet on combat duty. Well, they will spot the AUG for 3000 km. What's next? All the same, they will not be able to give target designation, and they will not command the TU-160 navigator in a speech mode: "Trust 42,5 ° to the right. There, at a distance of 2600 km, the American AUG"

    Quote: krot
    Another option: A-50, A-100 .. In my opinion, now there is enough capacity for target designation and no one will disclose in detail the mechanism of this

    A-100 is not yet. A-50 in such a scanty amount that it is not enough for all the aerospace forces ...

    Quote: Fan-Fan
    I read somewhere that the A-50 sees a large ship in only 400 km. Then the question is, will they let him into the AUG, so that he sees her, since the radius of the F-18 is 800 km.

    Detection range of large marine targets with EPR up to 250 sq. M - to the radio horizon. The practical ceiling of the A-50 is 12000 meters. From this height, the radio horizon will be about 460 km. In order to detect the AUG from afar, he needs to get far enough from his airfield. At a distance of 1000 km, the time of barrage is 4 hours. How many planes and crews are needed to keep the direction under surveillance around the clock

    Quote: hydrox
    Please explain from what distance and WHAT are you going to "clog" with the receivers of the ZG radar located in the middle of the European part of Russia?

    And the point is to hammer it. AUG can safely enter unnoticed into the Mediterranean Sea. It will also pass quietly into the Eastern Mediterranean and then let the ZGRLS personnel select the necessary target against the background of thousands of targets in the sky over Europe

    Quote: KCA
    The news is with VO, though she is a little over 3 years old, probably a lot has changed:

    There was no system in a workable version either. It was supposed to consist of 2-4 Lotus satellites (radio / electronic reconnaissance) and the radar "Peony", as it was not and never was. Although they should have been launched back in 2017-2018 ...

    Quote: Victor_B
    In fact, these satellites are low-orbit. It seems not to be in polar orbits.
    24 satellites in polar orbits will make it possible to track the point of minutes for 20 with a period of more than an hour.
    Yes and no, we have 24 “Lian”
    Actually windows, the absence of such satellites can be measured for hours.
    At hour AUG will run away for fifty kilometers.

    "Lotus" fly in a 900-km orbit with an inclination of about 68 °. "Peony" should be launched in a solar-synchronous orbit

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I believe that such a monster of 12 pieces "Daggers" can carry inside the fuselage. He has drum sets for cruise missiles. A pair of such aircraft on patrol - perhaps it would be scary for the adversary ...

    On the drum kit they will not. Their diameter is such that the drum with the “Daggers” does not fit in the bomb bay. So only one thing remains - to place the "Daggers" in the bomb bay on the side wall of the compartment. Whether or not a “dagger” gets into compartment 4 or not, I don’t know. It all depends on the "depth" of the compartment. But even if it fits, a maximum of 8 “Daggers”. And most likely 4 (two in the bomb bay). But here is the question. The range of the dagger during launch from the MIG is determined by the following parameters: Miga speed, launch height. Approximately 700 km of the site (subsonic flight of the complex and supersonic) gives an increase in the range of the complex of 700 km, according to the approximate calculations that were in the network
    The flight range of the DAGGER is determined by the initial speed and height. For in fact, the Dagger system is a two-stage missile system, where the first stage is the plane, the second is the Dagger itself.

    Question # 1. Of course, the TU-160 will be able to achieve supersonic speed, no one doubts this. But how at the speed of 2M will the bomber’s wings open and the “product” will be reset (if it certainly fits in the bomb bay) ?? Or will you have to slow down to subsonic ???.

    Question # 2. The ceiling of Tu-160 is 16 km, which is lower than that of the same MIG-31.

    If you have to slow down to subsonic speed and reduce the launch height compared to the MIG, then in any case, the final speed after the end of the AUT at the “Dagger” will be less, and the flight range of the “Dagger” itself will also decrease.

    What then is the point in equipping the TU-160 with this complex. If the speed and range of the Dagger itself will be less. The only plus will be that the launch of the "Dagger" can be carried out not 700 km from the airfield, but at a distance of several thousand kilometers. Is it worth the “game of sheepskin” to deprive yourself of a strategic bomber ????

    Quote: Winnie76
    If an aircraft carrier actively raises and lands planes, the radar is supposed to work. Radio intelligence. Satellites. UAVs flying and underwater. The same Mig-31 as a scout. A-50/100. A bunch of options

    You wrote the absolutely right thing. But the question is ...
    1. Radio intelligence. Satellites. We don’t have so many radio reconnaissance satellites, and like us they have documents covering the satellite environment. That is, when and at what distance will this or that radio intelligence satellite pass. It is certainly unrealistic to disguise the AUG, but it is possible to plot a course so that it is out of the control zone of this satellite for as long as possible. As well as observe the radio silence mode at the time of satellite passage ...
    2. UAVs. Flying and underwater. The only flying drone with a long patrol time is still not on duty and not in series. Now they want an improved version to develop it. So there’s no drone that could fly in the course of 1,5-2 days. There are no underwater drones.
    3. How many MIG-31 are planned to be used as scouts. Either they want to use it as an interceptor, then as a mini-AWACS plane, then as a Dagger carrier, or as a scout. But its quantity is not limitless
    4. A-50 / A-100. The second is not yet in service, and the first in such a scanty amount that it will have to be torn to pieces to plug holes
    1. Sema0 14 February 2020 12: 49 New
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      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      I read somewhere that the A-50 sees a large ship in only 400 km. Then the question is, will they let him into the AUG, so that he sees her, since the radius of the F-18 is 800 km.

      Detection range of large marine targets with EPR up to 250 sq. M - to the radio horizon. The practical ceiling of the A-50 is 12000 meters. From this height, the radio horizon will be about 460 km. In order to detect the AUG from afar, he needs to get far enough from his airfield. At a distance of 1000 km, the time of barrage is 4 hours. How many planes and crews are needed to keep the direction under surveillance around the clock

      Old26, confuse the concept radio horizon and radio visibility. Bring illiterate expression from Wikipedia, "Detection range of large marine targets with EPR up to 250 sq. m. - up to the radio horizon." Where the altitude of the A-50 is not even given.
      Your example. With the ceiling at the A-50 - 12000 m, the radio horizon is D = 451.52 km, however, with the superstructure of the destroyer “Airli Berk” 45 m, you can find the target at a distance D = 479.17 km, not on 460 km. Do not forget, at the same time, the range of the A-50 radar.
  • Old26 10 February 2020 17: 15 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    Why not fly? It is almost impossible to shoot him down, unlike the X-101

    Who told you that this is impossible? The maximum speed at the end of the active section at an altitude of about 150 kilometers, and maybe more. And when it starts to "go down", then according to the laws of physics it will slow down in the atmosphere. The same “Iskander” has a little more than 6M speed at its peak, and when “meeting the ground” - 700-800 m / s, that is, less than 3M. What, everyone has already forgotten how to shoot down high-altitude targets moving at a speed of 3M ???
    But in order to bring down the X-101, you must use the AWACS aircraft without fail and the farther from the target that the X-101 should hit, the better.

    Quote: Fedorov
    Yes, and the Tu-22m showed photos already like them. Maybe a fake. But personally, I believe.

    I have not seen photos from the TU-22M3. I met a drawing of some blogger writing on aviation topics. There were several drawings of silhouettes of the TU-22M3 with various pendants (bombs, missiles). And even then, the guys who served on the TU-22M3 here in the VO claimed that 4 pieces of the TU-22M3 would not pull. because with the arrangement of the four "Daggers" the chassis wings will not be closed ...


    Quote: Lipchanin
    Not a fake. It was immediately said about this that three types of aircraft will be armed with “Daggers”

    If not fake - plz link to this photo. And what they said - so they say a lot. For example, that "Sarmat" through the south pole 10 tons to the adversary throws. Or that our Avangard can fly in dense layers of the atmosphere at a speed of 10M ...
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      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Not a fake. It was immediately said about this that three types of aircraft will be armed with “Daggers”

      If not fake - plz link to this photo. And what they said - so they say a lot. For example, that "Sarmat" through the south pole 10 tons to the adversary throws. Or that our Avangard can fly in dense layers of the atmosphere at a speed of 10M ...


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      Subject: US Air Force closes HCSW hypersonic weapon development program
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      Alexei, you obviously do not want to understand that if the Vanguard were pure “inertial” without an engine, there would be no sense in it! The possibility of maneuver, braking, or even overclocking due to loss of altitude and speed during long flights in dense layers atmosphere and make a hypersonic missile combat and not passive, capable of working only over areas, then there is no point in such a missile. And the presence of an engine, and the possibility of maneuver and do-dispersal, make the Vanguard and Zircon a weapon capable of maneuvering ACTIVELY at the expense of the engine to hit a nominal moving target, such as, say, a cruiser.

      ... Fourth. In dense layers of the atmosphere such an apparatus does not fly. At speeds of 10M and at altitudes of approximately 11 km he has a temperature of about 6000 ° C, that is, the sun. In dense layers, he can only move by reducing the speed to supersonic ...

      Again untruth, Old26! At speeds of 10 M and at altitudes from 11 km to 25 km, the temperature rises to 4060 ° C (up to 4333 ° K), and when braking, the temperature rises to 4277 ° C (up to 4550 ° K). Therefore, much is possible and real.
  • Andrey.AN 10 February 2020 18: 27 New
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    Of course, the AUG is potentially no less strategic goals than terrorists in Syria, for example, it’s technically not difficult to carve out places for external suspensions for a pair of such missiles on the Tu-160, the range will suffer a little, it’s uncritical to refuel after take-off.
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    fear the Varangians, and to be honest I don’t see the point of putting it to white swans!
  • Old26 14 February 2020 15: 05 New
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    Quote: Sema0
    Again untruth, Old26! At speeds of 10 M and at altitudes from 11 km to 25 km, the temperature rises to 4060 ° C (up to 4333 ° K), and when braking, the temperature rises to 4277 ° C (up to 4550 ° K). Therefore, much is possible and real.

    I apologize. He wrote from memory. The height is not from 11 to 25 km, but from 0 to 11 km. Then, respectively, the temperatures will be 5763 and 6051 ° K