“We are no longer sharing evidence base with Ukrainians”: Iran’s reaction to the leak of Boeing data in the media

Iranian experts investigating the attack on the Ukrainian Boeing commented on the situation with the publication of dispatcher negotiations by the Ukrainian media. Recall that on the eve of the Ukrainian TV channel TSN published a transcript of negotiations between the Tehran airport dispatcher and the pilot of the plane following the flight from Shiraz. This board was in the air at the same time as the plane of Ukraine International Airlines. The pilot spoke out that he saw a flash in the sky, the dispatcher replied that they still did not know on earth what this flash was related to.

In Ukraine, the appearance of this entry was presented as "the quality work of the special services" and "evidence that Iran knew about the attack on the airliner initially."

In Tehran, the statements by the Ukrainian authorities were called absurd, noting that they themselves handed over a record of those talks to Ukrainian investigators who arrived in Iran almost immediately after the news of the disaster.

The information service conveys the words of Hassan Rezaifar, who heads the Directorate for Investigation of Air Accidents of the Iranian Civil Organization aviation:

We transferred the audio file to the Ukrainian investigation team, which was part of the evidence base. Then they were surprised to learn that the Ukrainian side declared this to be the work of special services. Moreover, the data immediately appeared in the Ukrainian media. These actions of Ukrainians have now led to the fact that we stop sharing information with them from the evidence base.

Comments

[Lekz]

Another breakthrough!

[Hunter 2]

They would have negotiated their Dispatcher on the Malaysian Boeing - so promptly published ... six years already We are waiting!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Hunter 2

six years already waiting!

Apparently no high-quality fake will be made

[maxim947]

Ukraine is doing everything to be hated, straight from the skin. Sheer nagging, lying, gossip and sucking.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: maxim947

Ukraine is doing everything to be hated, straight from the skin. Sheer nagging, lying, gossip and sucking.

Such a nature.
Yesterday we showed how one granny complained that she had a pension of 2000, but 1950 had to be paid for gas.
so the official from the party of the pre-clown seriously offered her to sell the dog and pay.
It never occurred to him how he paraffined his power.
According to his logic, under "bad" power, the granny bought, but under "good" power should she sell?

[maxim947]

in terms of housing and communal services and pensions, we also have something to strive for, if to say the least.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: maxim947

in terms of housing and communal services and pensions, we also have something to strive for,

But our officials do not offer to sell something to pay

[maxim947]

Remember Medvedev's "pearls":

Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in the course of communication with the participants of the Territory of Meanings forum suggested that teachers change their profession for the sake of higher incomes and leave, for example, in business.

etc.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: maxim947

Remember Medvedev's pearls:

Well, yes.
Something I got excited about our officials
They are the same everywhere

[krot]

With a country like Sumeria, to be friends or be in a treaty is more expensive for yourself!

[Thompson]

This is from the category - guess yourself and sell

[arnulla]

We are also starting to think about what to sell, so that the rent is paid

[orionvitt]

Stop whining already, like women in the market. Who does not know what is bad, welcome here to Ukraine. See quickly. In general, I am surprised that you are not happy there in Russia.

[Lötnab85]

Something similar was told to me by my former colleague during a conversation. He lives in the Dnieper, occasionally call up.

[krops777]

Ukraine is doing everything to be hated, straight from the skin. Sheer nagging, lying, gossip and sucking.

Their nature is called such a cunning, they’ll have a momentary profit, and there even though the grass doesn’t grow.

[Incvizitor]

They hate the West and its sixes cause only squeamishness.

[Sgan]

Iran confirms the fairness of its status as a rogue state ...

[Chervonny]

Well, how can I characterize Zelensky with his statement regarding the transcript of the negotiations, I don’t even know. Likely now Zelensky’s new statement will follow that the special services are guilty of having framed himself.

[cost]

We transferred the audio file to the Ukrainian investigation team, which was part of the evidence base. Then they were surprised to learn that the Ukrainian side declared this to be the work of special services. Moreover, the data immediately appeared in the Ukrainian media. These actions of Ukrainians have now led to the fact that we stop sharing information with them from the evidence base.

Know-how in investigative actions - laying out investigation materials on-line This is something new in world judicial practice. Ah yes Ukraine

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Rich

Know-how in investigative actions - laying out investigation materials on-line

And lay out the transcript of the presidents' talks how did the little ladder do it how?
So the preclown decided that he could

[krot]

And lay out the transcript of the presidents' talks how did the little ladder do it how?

What a teacher, such a student .. Only the last beggar, and so will remain. )))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: krot

And lay out the transcript of the presidents' talks how did the little ladder do it how?

What a teacher, such a student .. Only the last beggar, and so will remain. )))

A good student will always surpass teachers

[krot]

Quote: Lipchanin

A good student will always surpass teachers

Do you really think that Ruin will be the richest country in the world? And probably the United States themselves will help them in this ..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: krot

Do you really think that Ruin will be the richest country in the world?

Yes, I actually talked about the pre-clown.
And the outskirts are not destined to be rich. Judging by how they destroy themselves, soon a piece of it will remain

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Rich

Know-how in investigative actions - laying out investigation materials on-line This is something new in world judicial practice.

But for some reason Russia is demanding this from the Dutch investigators.

[krot]

But for some reason Russia is demanding this from the Dutch investigators. request

And therefore, your fakeness), that the investigation lasts 6 years, and this is infinity with all the evidence found! After the planes reach the bottom of the sea, the investigation ends more quickly. And you probably understand the inferiority of Ukraine in the context of everything that happened .. They transmitted to the media what the other country conveyed on confidentiality terms, and how the work of the super special services was formalized))). Rzhaka

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

So it would be logical to demand an early completion of the investigation, and not the publication of the case file, not? (It, however, has already been completed in any case, the materials have been submitted to court, the beginning of the process in The Hague on March 9.)

Well, yes, if the audio recording was really given to the Ukrainians on the basis of the secrecy of the investigation, and they published it, then they missed the mark. Even if they got it in other ways before, as they say. But I write "if" - first on this score, we need to listen to the position of the second party, that is, Zelensky.

[krot]

So it would be logical to demand an early completion of the investigation, and not the publication of the case file, not?

And you read the statements of our Foreign Ministry and stop talking like that, which is logical and what is not ..

First, in this regard, you need to listen to the position of the second side, that is, Zelensky.

I think Zelensky will give a "worthy" answer in his role that you like. Because he caught the Soviet Union in unleashing the Second World War. His grandfather in his coffin must have turned over from this. You will be happy with your president ..

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Read. From the memorable:

Zakharova added that Moscow, first of all, wants to get clarifications on the process of using the data transmitted by the Russian side in the investigation. It is also planned to discuss Ukraine’s failure to provide radar data, dispatcher negotiation records (...)

Five years. Five years after the publication of dispatcher negotiations. With the participation of specialists including the Russian IAC.

[krot]

Five years. Five years after the publication of dispatcher negotiations. With the participation of specialists including the Russian IAC.

Stop writing fakes here .. No Recording Negotiations! Not! Where are the records of the last minute talks of the pilots? Where is the dispatcher? Where are the interviews with our IAC specialists? If they had heard, they would have long ago provided such an information bomb to the media. And legally, and not like yours, from under the silence.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

In the Dutch Safety Board report. If you think that the transcript of negotiations in this report is fake, send your complaints not to me, but to specialists from the Russian IAC who worked with DSB on this investigation and did not have comments on the transcript of negotiations.

[krot]

In the Dutch Safety Board report. If you think that the transcript of negotiations in this report is fake

You write fakes yourself! Apparently the necessary negotiations are not enough. And those where there is no useful information are only published.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I have nothing to add to the above.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Red

Well, how can I characterize Zelensky with his statement regarding the transcript of the negotiations, I don’t even know.

In any words, but on the site only censored)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Red

Well, how can I characterize Zelensky with his statement regarding the transcript of the negotiations, I don’t even know.

It has long been necessary to get used to it.

[Thrifty]

I hope the Persians will understand the Russian proverb about throwing beads in front of pigs! And they will understand that first it was necessary to publish the results of the negotiations themselves, and only then give the audio files to the Ukrainian "experts", and not do the opposite!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Thrifty

I hope the Persians understand the Russian proverb about throwing beads in front of pigs!

Very naive people are these Iranians.

[Fat]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Thrifty

I hope the Persians understand the Russian proverb about throwing beads in front of pigs!

Very naive people are these Iranians.

In order to perceive the words "decency is not a profession" as a reality given in sensations, one must have a bitter experience.
Pigs find dirt everywhere and manage to turn the gift into "honestly stolen" ...

[Victor_B]

Such knowledge is slowly rising up the career ladder ...
The calculation commander made a launch and the target disappeared, but what he shot at and he does not know.
And the higher, the less willing to immediately accept and lay out the truth.
But why now something to say about what they did not say in an hour about the destruction by mistake?
Have you taken the blame? From this place it is necessary to cooperate and to extort more money.

[Victor_B]

And at the same time to shake antiquity and finally admit Ukraine’s guilt in the destruction of the Russian Tu-154 over the Black Sea.
About the destruction of MN-17, I generally keep quiet ...

[K-612-O]

What actually was to be expected. Ragulje will never find brains, now they are generally thrown out of the investigation.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: K-612-O

Ragulieu will not find brains

And at least there is a place where you need to look?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: K-612-O

Ragulje will never find brains, now they are generally thrown out of the investigation.

They should be thrown out of the Boeing investigation.

[rocket757]

What can I say. They didn’t understand who to collaborate with ... now they know.

[Gray brother]

Sold right there. I am not surprised.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gray Brother

Sold right there. I am not surprised.

Yes, and probably no one is surprised.

[BARKAS]

But it’s the special services that leaked information their cant their work, you understand the logic in Ukrainian.

[Arlen]

We transferred the audio file to the Ukrainian investigation team, which was part of the evidence base. Then they were surprised to learn that the Ukrainian side declared this to be the work of special services. Moreover, the data immediately appeared in the Ukrainian media. These actions of Ukrainians have now led to the fact that we stop sharing information with them from the evidence base.

That's all. Zelensky all our special services, our special services, but it turned out Iran itself gave them an audio file.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Arlen

Zelensky all our special services, our special services,

He said everything correctly - the Ukrainian intelligence officers favorably pushed this audio file. What Iran gave them for free, they correctly monetized. - special operation, pennies themselves will not raise.

[Boris Ivanov]

now the Iranians .. sent to the Sumerians in FIG .. how scary to live)

[base1]

Ukraine did not pay due respect (if I may say so) to Iran’s annoying mistake. If earlier they could agree on decent compensation, now it will be difficult. In my opinion.

[Tuzik]

Quote: baza1

If earlier they could agree on decent compensation, now it will be difficult.

So it looks like this whole talking room is just because of the small compensation. They give 80, and Greens wants 200.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tuzik

So it looks like this whole talking room is just because of the small compensation. They give 80, and Greens wants 200.

And 120 where it goes.

[base1]

I don’t think that any amounts will sound before the investigation. Or was it sarcasm?

[Tuzik]

There is news below, and in it:
"Zelensky said that Tehran offered Kiev 80 thousand dollars in compensation for each killed citizen of Ukraine. Kiev said that this is" a disproportionately small amount. "
It seems to me that here the main dog is buried.

[Lamata]

Well, can not all state bodies of Ukraine go crazy? Someone should be adequate?

[Sergey Olegovich]

The actions of the Kiev authorities are not too noticeable.

Quote: Lamata

Someone should be adequate?

[Thompson]

It may turn out. Now they do not allow smart people to go to government agencies. And who, if any, is afraid to open his mouth, because the authorities are not at all smart

[Sergey Olegovich]

In Tehran, the statements of the Ukrainian authorities were called absurd, noting that they themselves transmitted the recording of those negotiations to Ukrainian investigators

Oh, how many exclamations were which Iran was bad. Everything turned out to be much more prosaic.

[Blackmokona]

Well, Iran has confirmed that the audio recording is true and thus that the civil authorities were also immediately aware of the missile interception. Despite their allegations.

[Air force]

It seems that the politicians of the "independent" main goal is to discredit their country, to make a farce out of everything, to spoil everything that they have reached, as if the task has been set, to prove to everyone that they cannot be dealt with.

[IvanT]

They still do not understand what dibilov contacted!

[Pavel57]

The objectivity of the MN-17 investigations is already hard to beat.

[cniza]

Our neighbors can do anything ...

[iouris]

Ukraine entered into a protracted information war with Iran. What the hell?

[Dym71]

Quote: iouris

Ukraine entered into a protracted information war with Iran. What the hell?

The manifestation of solidarity with the policy of the State Department is another deflection in front of the owner.

[uralant]

Quote: Hunter 2

They would have negotiated their Dispatcher on the Malaysian Boeing - so promptly published ... six years already We are waiting!

High-quality work of special services requires diligence and double-checking of all the smallest details.

[Thompson]

And how can this be connected with the negotiations of dispatchers?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Negotiations of dispatchers with the Boeing MH17 were published in September 2014. I do not cease to be amazed at how tenacious the des are that they seem to be hiding them.

[Thompson]

Ahhhh. You again . Or do you have a few nicks here? You can link to the source in the studio, you also want to stop being amazed

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Thompson

Ahhhh. You again . You can link to the source in the studio

https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/media/attachment/2018/7/10/77c9b856be08report_mh17_crash_appendices.pdf

Appendix G, "ATC Transcript"

[Thompson]

Firstly, these are not negotiations, but something like a transcript or unscientific fantasy in text form. But even if we proceed from it - what was secret there and why was it necessary to change course, then to return it ??

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Thompson

Firstly, these are not negotiations, but something like a transcript or unscientific fantasy in text form.

This is called "decryption". Specialists from the Russian IAC, who worked with DSB, were also responsible for its authenticity.

Quote: Thompson

what was secret there

Nothing. Nobody kept it secret. Since 2014, hung and hangs. Amazing right?

Quote: Thompson

and why was it necessary to change course, then to return ??

It was a request from the Rostov air hub - that is, from Russian dispatchers - because of heavy traffic in that area. In any case, when the Ukrainian dispatcher tried to convey this request, he did not receive an answer - the Boeing was already shot down.

[Thompson]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

It was a request from the Rostov air hub - that is, from Russian dispatchers - because of heavy traffic in that area. In any case, when the Ukrainian dispatcher tried to convey this request, he did not receive an answer - the Boeing was already shot down.

Where have you seen this? In the text exactly the opposite is not asked by Rostov !!!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Thompson

Where have you seen this?

Here:

So. Dnieper, Rostov alone.
You can malaysian
give a course to Rostov, in
RND point, there we have
three pieces converge

This is Rostov asking Dnipro to give MH17 a command to change course.

[Yehudi Menuhin]

There is nothing meaningful in these negotiations.

[Thompson]

Ukrainians will not be Ukrainians if they do not deceive and do not invent

[Thompson]

Actually, I wrote another word there instead of Ukrainians. because for me, Ukrainians are a more capacious and good concept, but I wrote about a separate part of this people. But the site has become tolerant. wonders

[Avior]

In fact, the Iranians have actually confirmed that the record is real

[svp67]

We transferred the audio file to the Ukrainian investigation team, which was part of the evidence base. Then they were surprised to learn that the Ukrainian side declared this to be the work of special services. Moreover, the data immediately appeared in the Ukrainian media. These actions of Ukrainians have now led to the fact that we stop sharing information with them from the evidence base.

Yes, the meaning is already special and no. In general, the Iranians seem to have a "mole", but apparently there is more than one sitting in the government and skillfully "leaking information" by the United States.

[Kamikaze19]

Why am I not surprised. Yesterday, infa came that Iran was ready to pay 80k for the victims of the families of the dead Ukrainians. Ukrainian authorities have said little. The question is, these grandmothers to families, they also appropriate part of themselves?

[Pavel57]

And what is the practice of compensation, this is not the first downed civilian side?

[Avior]

200-300 thousand dollars
States paid Iran more than $ 60 million for a downed airliner

[Pavel57]

There were still payments for a Russian plane shot down by Ukraine, although Ukraine clearly did not admit its guilt.

[Avior]

Yes, 200 thousand paid

There were other examples
The price order is
States admitted the fact of the downed aircraft, but did not admit their guilt, although the money paid
In this case, the Iranians are apparently trying to do the same.
But the amounts are clearly not enough, especially since the bulk of the passengers are Iranians, they will obviously be paid less

[cniza]

We transferred the audio file to the Ukrainian investigation team, which was part of the evidence base. Then they were surprised to learn that the Ukrainian side declared this to be the work of special services.

Already I’ve probably received medals ...

[monster]

Zrada In the impudent, broad, Svidomo face, but with a ragged rag, grunt, grunt, KRYAT !!

[Thompson]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

This is called "decryption". Specialists from the Russian IAC, who worked with DSB, were also responsible for its authenticity.

And where did they get this and where is the confirmation from our IAC?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Deputy Head of the Federal Air Transport Agency Storcheva:

Russian side like official member of the International Commission of Inquiryreceived a draft final report. We immediately expressed our opinion on this document, marked serious comments on his individual theses. All of them were accumulated and timely transferred. Dutch side.

https://ria.ru/20151002/1295247968.html

[Thompson]

You wrote it -

For its authenticity, including the specialists of the Russian IAC who worked with DSB were responsible.

This was written by our IAC -

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

marked serious comments on his individual theses. All of them were accumulated and timely transferred to the Dutch side.

.
You do not catch the difference
.

[Thompson]

At the same time, you are brazenly lying ...

who worked with DSB.

Or maybe the investigators simply passed on their version?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

All protests are reflected in the report. If they are not included in the main body of the report, then they are listed in appendices V and W to the report. Since the annexes have no claims to deciphering negotiations, all comments on deciphering negotiations were either included in the main text or were not submitted according to the corresponding procedure. Everything, the third is not given. If there were comments made according to the relevant procedure that were not included in the main text or in the appendix, then the Russian Federation could file a fully substantiated protest against this even then and destroy the investigation by bones.

[Thompson]

And where is at least one protest included, even for decency, included in the project?
NO ONE. All unreasonable or rather a question, and who are the judges?
But another thing is more interesting to me - do you really think that we shot down? Arguments, reasons, why?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Only MAC and DSB now reliably know about the included comments, since in applications V and W only unincluded comments are listed. If anything, they are not only from Russia. There are also unincluded comments from Ukraine.

Quote: Thompson

But another thing is more interesting to me - do you really think that we shot down? Arguments, reasons, why?

Yes, I really think so. The arguments - those listed by JIT seem substantive and convincing to me. Those that the RF cited too often turned out to be fake (everything that was wound around the Su-25 before, the lack of a consistent version now). The reasons are by mistake. As a milling cutter, he cuts off his finger with a machine, although he absolutely does not need it.

[Thompson]

Smiled no more. By mistake ... But Ukrainians a priori could not be mistaken naturally

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Thompson

And Ukrainians a priori could not be mistaken naturally

Could, of course. Therefore, the very presence of Beech does not mean anything. But apart from the presence of Beech, there are two facts:

1. One very specific Buk on the day of the 17th was captured in a photo and video with four missiles, and in the morning of the 18th - with three.
2. Above the place, not far from which the Boeing fell, and not far from which this particular Buk was removed from the trailer and was going under its own power, at the time the Boeing fell, a smoky footprint was photographed in the sky.

These two facts distribute to me the probabilities of who shot down, about 99% versus 1%.

[Zoro]

These actions of Ukrainians have now led to the fact that we stop sharing information with them from the evidence base.

And they did it right .. It's the same as throwing a secret Old into the yellow press.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

The Russian side, as an official member of the International Commission of Inquiry, received a draft final report. We immediately expressed our opinion on this document, outlined serious comments on some of his theses. All of them were accumulated and timely transferred to the Dutch side.

And were the comments taken into account?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Those comments that were not taken into account are given in the final DSB report in Appendices V and W. There are a lot of things there, but there is nothing about decryption.

[evgen1221]

Well, tell me, who else in the world does not know about the corrupt nature of the current Ukrainians? Yes, they also have to resell as soon as demand appears, how to breathe. Hence the question, and how can one even cooperate with them at all? And every time I am surprised at articles like this, we believed them, handed them over, they sold it, ah ah ah.

[akarfoxhound]

And so they took the Sumerians and can’t help them all.

[lvov_aleksey]

this is a practice in Ukraine, I won’t be surprised if I become a terrorist with them, although from 1985-1986 the USSR did not cross the border

[Thompson]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

1. One very specific Buk on the day of the 17th was captured in a photo and video with four missiles, and in the morning of the 18th - with three.
2. Above the place, not far from which the Boeing fell, and not far from which this particular Buk was removed from the trailer and was going under its own power, at the time the Boeing fell, a smoky footprint was photographed in the sky.

As far as I remember, Ukrainians presented it as about our car, and ours claimed that it was Ukrainian. And no one actually put a point here. And the smoky trail was not recorded anywhere unless only from the words one grandmother said

[Liam]

Quote: Thompson

And the smoky trail was never fixed anywhere

https://www.google.com/amp/s/meduza.io/amp/feature/2015/03/17/sled-nad-torezom

[Thompson]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Thompson

And the smoky trail was never fixed anywhere

https://www.google.com/amp/s/meduza.io/amp/feature/2015/03/17/sled-nad-torezom

Thus, we can have no doubt that the investigation, including its international part, has all the necessary information about this survey. But the investigation on this issue is silently and intently silent.

Why i do not know.

author Parkhomenko
I won’t even comment

[Thompson]

I won’t even mention a plane over the Black Sea ...

the disappeared dispatcher from Dnepropetrovsk,
shot pilot
Ukrainian beech without rocket and installation in the area
...
sawn trees on maidan
investigation of the Odessa tragedy
decrees are happy about not prosecuting a crime committed in violation of the Ukrainian constitution during the Maidan ..
Where does the trust in you ????????