After abandoning the FGFA (Su-57) project, India is “ready to help” Lockheed Martin


Recently, India abandoned the project to jointly develop with Russia the FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) based on the Su-57. But they are not going to give up the dream of their own ultramodern fighter in New Delhi. And they are looking for a possible alternative to the Russian aircraft, and in terms of the development of production on their own territory.


The Russian project disappointed Indian officials and senior military officials. So, the media voiced as one of the versions that New Delhi is dissatisfied with the level of development of Russian technologies. Allegedly, the Indians already have all the necessary technologies for the independent implementation of such programs, it makes no sense to pay $ 9 billion to Russia.

On the other hand, some Indian military officials criticized such a decision of the government, because they believe that for relatively little money the country could get a fifth-generation Russian aircraft and technologies that would then be used to produce Indian aircraft. Such an opinion, in particular, was expressed by Lieutenant General Katosh.

Meanwhile, Mr. Vivek Lall, an Indian of Indian origin, who, besides worrying about the company's profit, is not alien to his interests, as Vice President for Strategy and Business Development of the American giant Lockheed Martin. historical homeland. In April 2019, the Indian Air Force command issued a request for the purchase of 114 fighter aircraft. And Vivek Lall immediately noted: it could be Lockheed Martin's F-21.

According to a senior manager, the F-21 fighter meets all the requirements for advanced technology and capabilities in India. A single-engine multi-role fighter with an optimal life cycle cost will be especially valuable for the Indian military aviation and the fact that it has a very long service life - 12 flight hours. India can take part in the partnership program for the production of F-000 fighters, and this is still a very large market worth $ 21 billion.


Moreover, Vivek Lall said that Lockheed Martin is ready to help India create a modern aerospace ecosystem. In the future, it will open the way to the design and manufacture of the fifth generation Indian aircraft proper. There is no doubt that a country with a billion people and great technical resources has every chance to create its own highly developed aviation industry of a new generation. And Lockheed Martin is already developing joint ventures in India, using the work of Indian programmers - skilled, but much less costly in terms of remuneration than American ones.

Of course, if such monsters of the aerospace industry as Lockheed Martin will help India from the outside, then the chances will double. Now the United States and India are collaborating on the F-21, a naval helicopter and a number of other programs. At the same time, Americans are attracted by the high IT potential of India, which can be used in the production of fifth-generation fighters.

Not only for financial reasons, American companies are interested in enhancing cooperation with India. In the context of the unfolding confrontation with China, which will cover the entire Asia-Pacific region, the United States relies on India as a geopolitical adversary of China. In addition, China is now actively arming Pakistan, which India really does not like and, accordingly, the Indian side will also look for new opportunities to improve its military potential.

However, the Indian side will be able to develop its fifth-generation fighter in the best case for it only by 2030, so cooperation with third countries with the necessary technologies is simply necessary for them. Unless, of course, they do not want Pakistani aviation to receive such aircraft earlier.
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  1. neri73-r 30 January 2020 11: 16 New
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    Forward gentlemen Indians and with the song ...... you are now a little Anglo-Saxons will raise and forward to the Chinese will be poisoned.
    1. Hunter 2 30 January 2020 11: 37 New
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      Quote: neri73-r
      Forward gentlemen Indians and with the song ...... you are now a little Anglo-Saxons will raise and forward to the Chinese will be poisoned.

      There will be so many more songs ... that we’re tired of listening! It’s like in the Tale of the Golden Fish, where the Hindus play the role of the Old Woman ... with a predictable end, they will remain with nothing!
      Gypsies - what to take from them? They will feel, measure, bargain - ad infinitum. And they are not a competitor to the Chinese in the military-industrial complex, they don’t do anything, they’re not doing things, apparently on Monday their mother gave birth bully
      1. Wolverine 30 January 2020 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        Quote: neri73-r
        Forward gentlemen Indians and with the song ...... you are now a little Anglo-Saxons will raise and forward to the Chinese will be poisoned.

        There will be so many more songs ... that we’re tired of listening! It’s like in the Tale of the Golden Fish, where the Hindus play the role of the Old Woman ... with a predictable end, they will remain with nothing!
        Gypsies - what to take from them? They will feel, measure, bargain - ad infinitum. And they are not a competitor to the Chinese in the military-industrial complex, they don’t do anything, they’re not doing things, apparently on Monday their mother gave birth bully


        Ambitions and only with old technologies in their hands manage to spoil everything, let alone new ones. Near each Hindu, it is necessary to put an understudy controller. wink
      2. NEXUS 30 January 2020 13: 59 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        There will be so many more songs ... that we’re tired of listening!

        And still not tired, no?
      3. TermNachTer 30 January 2020 20: 40 New
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        How can a converted F - 16 become a 5th generation machine? As the unforgettable soldier Schweik used to say: "You have to be a complete idiot ...
    2. 1959ain 30 January 2020 12: 14 New
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      Mr. Vivek Lall, an Indian of Indian descent, is developing the business of the American giant Lockheed Martin, who, besides worrying about the company's profit, is not alien to the interests of his historical homeland.
      And then he will be sued for the transfer of military technology in either the United States or India laughing
      1. TermNachTer 30 January 2020 20: 42 New
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        And most of all, he is preoccupied with stuffing his pockets. And in this regard, cooperation with the United States is very promising.
  2. Astoria 30 January 2020 11: 18 New
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    Moreover, Vivek Lall said that Lockheed Martin is ready to help India create a modern aerospace ecosystem. In the future, it will open the way to the design and manufacture of the fifth generation Indian aircraft proper.
    The Turks have already been helped - no planes, no money. wink
  3. Pessimist22 30 January 2020 11: 19 New
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    I think all the same, the Yankees F 21 Indians.
    1. vvvjak 30 January 2020 11: 33 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think all the same, the Yankees F 21 Indians.

      Something from the opera: I came to the store for a TV, and bought a refrigerator, because the seller said that anyone can make a TV at home.
    2. neri73-r 30 January 2020 11: 43 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think all the same, the Yankees F 21 Indians.

      F-21 is a renamed F-16. Sucks, last century, its time has come to an end, it’s not even a plane of gaining superiority in the air. (I am in the know about modernization.)
      1. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 55 New
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        With the sale of this level of technology, they plan sales and, in general, political games with opponents and, accordingly, sales of technology of superior or different level to them. Wars begin and lead with the banal sales of condoms or something else - ...
      2. NEOZ 30 January 2020 14: 14 New
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        Quote: neri73-r
        F-21 is a renamed F-16

        Apparently, you understand fighter aircraft.
        Tell competitors F16. which fighter of this class surpasses the F16?
      3. Jack O'Neill 30 January 2020 17: 21 New
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        Interestingly, what do you say about the MiG-35?
        1. neri73-r 30 January 2020 18: 05 New
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          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          Interestingly, what do you say about the MiG-35?

          About the same, for sale in third countries will go. While there is no money for the purchase and development of the Su-57, you will have to use the MiG-29/35 yourself if the Defense Ministry buys a few. We must go to the 5th generation and already think about the 6th, otherwise lovers of shit democracy and freedom will crush.
          1. Jack O'Neill 30 January 2020 19: 27 New
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            Not that we, even the USA, cannot afford to replace all 4gn aircraft with 5gn.
            So even in rich countries, 4gn in tuning will be in demand.
            And about the rest of the country and say nothing.
            Given the wide possibilities of pumped 4gn, they will be very popular for a very long time.
    3. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 15 New
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      In this case, we can build a model of the development of events and predict other processes. But this does not end there. How long will they have enough time to independently support the use of these aircraft, if What?
      1. Bobrick 30 January 2020 13: 06 New
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        Quote: gridasov
        How long will they have enough time to independently support the use of these aircraft, if What?

        If, as an example, we take the experience of Iranians using F-14 during the Iran-Iraq war (the aircraft was discontinued by the United States somewhere in the late 70s, it was not in service with other countries, except for those listed), then the term of use in 5-10 years can be very real.
        1. neri73-r 30 January 2020 13: 14 New
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          Quote: Bobrick
          then a period of use of 5-10 years can be quite real.

          What about efficiency? Especially with the enemy at the next technological level?
          1. Bobrick 30 January 2020 13: 45 New
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            I do not know.
            Armies of approximately the same level fought in that war (the Iran-Iraq war ended almost 30 years ago), and using the experience of the Vietnam War as an example of opposing armies of different levels of technical equipment is not entirely correct (this war happened almost 50 years ago, but the experience of this war showed that a 1st generation fighter of the MiG-15 type can be a terrible enemy for 3 generation fighters of the F-105 type).
        2. gridasov 30 January 2020 13: 21 New
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          If this is due to an agreement. But this is not always convenient for the same supplier. It is necessary to support non-developing technologies that require an individual solution after a deadline. Therefore, technologies are divided into export ones and which correspond to the peaks of technological competition.
    4. Keyser soze 30 January 2020 12: 26 New
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      I think all the same, the Yankees F 21 Indians.


      But, if you had riveted a cheap single-engine fighter, with AFAR and modern weapons and capabilities, you could sell it half the world. At one time, the Mig 21 was a great car. Why are there half the world - they could also quickly replenish their own army for little money.
      1. gridasov 30 January 2020 13: 25 New
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        The fact is that profitability in the production of military equipment has a lot of components. In general terms, this should be effective, and therefore a developing product in its perfection, and on the other hand, it should be optimal in applying both low cost and production and maintenance. only then will we get the highest profit. There are a lot of aspects and they need to be balanced depending on changing circumstances.
      2. Winnie76 30 January 2020 16: 47 New
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        Quote: Keyser Soze
        But, if you had riveted a cheap single-engine fighter, with AFAR and modern weapons and capabilities, you could sell it half the world.

        And if you could produce cans of bell pepper a cent apiece, you could sell them all over the galaxy.
  4. Vladimir_2U 30 January 2020 11: 20 New
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    Sustained by the lining F-16 F-21 is certainly an equivalent replacement for the Su-57
  5. rocket757 30 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    Is the best choice that they make for you?
    For any, they themselves have chosen.
    1. Lexus 30 January 2020 11: 32 New
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      Victor hi
      The F-21 was duly presented and passed comprehensive dance tests. lol
      1. rocket757 30 January 2020 11: 59 New
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        This is SHO ??? Awesome gay parade? or still micro TOP GAN?
    2. gridasov 30 January 2020 11: 52 New
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      By the way, the behavior of Indians shows their mentality and approaches to solving such processes, which is very useful for planning new sales.
      1. rocket757 30 January 2020 12: 02 New
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        Plan sales with them \ for them? probably will have to start with dance courses!
        However, it’s even useful, you can save on fitness.
        1. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 05 New
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          even with monkeys in their habitat, you need to get along, so to speak, in order to maintain a common process of coexistence.
          1. rocket757 30 January 2020 12: 07 New
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            On palm trees or something to climb and throw poop? This is not for everyone ... they want.
            1. gridasov 30 January 2020 13: 46 New
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              Well, if you study the work of their brain to create methods for controlling reactions, etc. Do you know it can be useful for working with inadequacies or creatures of a different level of thinking. Do you know why, for example, the Polish or Ukrainian leadership see historical events differently than in Russia? Therefore, there are people with a different worldview and monkeys can help. But if you prefer what you said, then it’s not a question
              1. rocket757 30 January 2020 14: 02 New
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                We will study DOLPHINS, they are cute, smart and do not resemble anyone.
                1. gridasov 30 January 2020 14: 03 New
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                  Personally, I am interested in studying People!
                  1. rocket757 30 January 2020 14: 06 New
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                    The option is endless.
                    1. gridasov 30 January 2020 14: 13 New
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                      An infinite sequence of numbers can be written as a spatial structure, then it takes the parameters of the algorithms. That is, an infinite series can be seen as a combination of algorithms. Therefore, people, or rather their intellect, are distinguished primarily by the depth of thought which they appeal to. That is, I once again focus my attention on the fact that they differ not in what they know like others, but in what their brains are capable of evaluating the processes around them. And then you can already talk!
                      1. rocket757 30 January 2020 14: 41 New
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                        "Matrix", as it was new, it’s even interesting ... at first.
                        You cannot digitize a person, and an algorithm for each, for all, cannot be created. All the same, he will buckle, he will violate all the harmony of the digital series.
                        About the assessment of the world around you, you can ask a person, you only have to consider that some may have more than seven Fridays in a week ....
                        Those. with some, even for a short period of communication, it is impossible to predict everything, and when there is a conversation, communication in a long time, the variety of options is generally not predictable.
                      2. gridasov 30 January 2020 14: 53 New
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                        I think that everything is somewhat different. The question is how to mathematically display the possibility of multivariate events to use with the construction of algorithms for the exact and selected directions of the process. After all, each person plans and models what he will do at different levels of perspectives. And this is the problem that we live and think in categories alone, but not at all of the principles that are found in modern mathematics. No, of course, computational mathematics is and is necessary! But there is another math. Which allows in the world of the variety of possible variant processes of development of events to find us the path that we plan, at least.
                      3. rocket757 30 January 2020 19: 48 New
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                        Although they would simply plan their lives, few people.
                        To plan your life by building some kind of mathematical model, these are piece cases, either for fun or a conscious experiment.
                        I can assume that building a mathematical model ... of behavior, for example, is possible for a large, homogeneous group of people, and it can eventually be confirmed. Because all sorts of individual shots, deviations, are mutually compensated in their mass.
                        In general, without forced correction, even a group of people can be brought, as a result, it does not know where.
  • gridasov 30 January 2020 11: 25 New
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    It is clear that the Russian product is more in line with its military purpose and the very equipment and service technology. American equipment was created for Americans, which means that you will have to buy the entire service infrastructure along with the equipment. The same potential potential that the Russian, that any other technology is on the same level. Therefore, as they say, buy a roadside stone in a wrapper with a bow, with dances and dances.
    1. mark1 30 January 2020 11: 32 New
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      Somehow in an unusual style you began to speak out ... How is your health, how is your mood? hi
      1. gridasov 30 January 2020 11: 49 New
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        Thanks, grunting! The mood is always stable and optimistic. And if on the topic, it is very interesting how, nevertheless, thinking on the basis of multipolar logical reasoning allows you to see processes that are not obvious to others. In general, I have long been talking about the fact that many processes in a person’s life are already so capacious in their content and development paths that simple analytical institutions cannot cope. Therefore, without the development of mathematics and the analysis of big data on new principles, we are waiting for very interesting, but already predictable events. And of course, thank you for your tolerance for my statements
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  • Ravil_Asnafovich 30 January 2020 11: 26 New
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    The Hindus again want to be a resigned colony, only now they will not shoot from the guns as in the case of the English, but they will come up with a more perverted method of destruction.
  • Cowbra 30 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    Two chainsaws found each other
  • Pavel57 30 January 2020 11: 39 New
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    F-16 will replace both the 5th and 6th generation.
    1. Alex_You 30 January 2020 12: 17 New
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      Of course, this is like shooting among all uberpushki and lazerganov there is nothing better than the good old AKMS.
      1. Jack O'Neill 30 January 2020 17: 25 New
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        AKS-74 then, because AKMS is such a thing ... 7.62x39 does not shine with ballistics ...
  • michael2000 30 January 2020 11: 45 New
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    At the same time, the Americans are attracted by the high IT potential of India, which can also be used in the production of fifth-generation fighters.

    Somehow this phrase embarrassed me a bit, because by the nature of my activity I had to deal with programmers from India, I will tell you the impressions ...
    1. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 11 New
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      Indians simply introduced elements of novelty into the programming process. But it is not long. Binary logic and programming in general have their own restrictive levels of development. That's when humanity learns what a really large amount of data is and sees how to work with capacities of such super-large local data capacities, then the intelligence of such peoples can give an unusual surge. There are many reasons for this.
  • Demagogue 30 January 2020 12: 03 New
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    In fairness, it should be noted that on our part there were a lot of jambs on fgfa. Apparently, we wanted to finance the project entirely at the expense of the Indians. They naturally did not like it. Well, the su-57 itself turned out to be controversial. Without shielding rpm engines, this aircraft against full-fledged stealth can only be used as an air defense fighter. As a drummer, he is too vulnerable. Therefore, they began to saw the Hunter obviously for shock missions. And the Indians need a drummer. If we do as promised the continuation of the Yak-141, then we need to do a full-fledged stealth. And that will be the thing. No need for airfields, suitable for small aircraft carriers and attack missions at sea as well.
  • knn54 30 January 2020 12: 11 New
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    And what, the purchase of the S-400 will not affect cooperation?
  • Dmitry Makarov 30 January 2020 12: 22 New
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    The F-21 is based on the F-5E "Tiger" which made its first flight in 1959.
    The latest technology speak?
    1. Jack O'Neill 30 January 2020 17: 28 New
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      So that is the basis of F-16, which was still a rival to YF-17 (F-5 on steroids).
      Well and yes, the old man F-5 and now can give many odds.
  • Bobrick 30 January 2020 13: 10 New
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    India can take part in the partnership program for the production of F-21 fighters, and this is still a very large market worth $ 165 billion.

    Interestingly, in this partnership program, the assembly of something more important for their own production of a fighter than spars, wing consoles and fairings will be trusted?
    Coatings, electronics, control systems and engines, for example.
  • bandabas 30 January 2020 13: 25 New
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    Well, they like the Kamasutra.
  • NEOZ 30 January 2020 14: 05 New
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    In fairness, it should be noted that the F16 is the best 4th generation fighter in the world ... MiG21 of its generation!
  • Ros 56 30 January 2020 16: 08 New
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    Send someone a book about a goldfish, otherwise my granddaughter tore it up. There is such a broken trough, lyapota.
  • eklmn 30 January 2020 18: 25 New
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    For the curious:
    “Meet the“ new ”F-21 Fighter: F-16 on steroids (with F-22 and F-35 DNA)?”
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/meet-new-f-21-fighter-f-16-steroids-f-22-and-f-35-dna-45162
    “In fact, the F-21 is the F-16, which Lockheed has updated with new cabin displays, conformal fuel tanks, an enlarged glider that can accommodate additional electronics, cables for towed radar baits, a new infrared sensor and a refueling sensor compatible with Russian air tankers.
    Rebranding raises an important issue. What is the point of updating the “old fighter” in the “new”?
    “For many years, India has struggled to replace a large fleet of old Russian-made military aircraft. In 2018, the Indian Air Force operated 244 vintage MiG-21s and 84 MiG-27s, which are only slightly younger. MiG-21, in particular, are prone to accidents. Since the first of the 1963 MiG-874s entered service with India in 21, about 490 crashed, resulting in the deaths of about 200 pilots.
    “Competitors for the purchase of 115 aircraft include the F-21, Boeing F / A-18E / F, Rafale, European Typhoon, Swedish Gripen E and Russian MiG-35 and Su-35. Indian companies could build new aircraft under license.
    Initially, Lockheed implied that India could follow the acquisition of the F-21 with a separate purchase of the F-35 stealth fighters.
  • l7yzo 2 February 2020 10: 10 New
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    Gentlemen, well, they want to buy flying from the Hawks - well, good. India is the eternal opponent of China. China is becoming stronger, but so far the muscles of hard workers. The mind and the experience and strength of the military - they are still starting to grow current. And here, India acts as a counterweight. And for example, the Indians are now one of the leaders in it freelance - they really drag. In almost every home there is a piece of Hindu code. And by the way, Hindus can tell a lot about the Chinese and why they are so skeptical about them.
  • Eug
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    India is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean, not to mention the proximity to other very vulnerable components of oil and commodity communications. Mattresses really need as, to put it mildly, a key counterbalance to China, and even on the way from China to the Persian Gulf and Africa. So the struggle for influence and friendship with this country is and will be very active. You should not try to be a gag in any Indian need, but pieces such as a promising Indian plane should not be missed.