Five levels of validity: How Vietnam protects the "shooter"


Most countries of the world have unambiguous requirements for standing in service arms. In case of deviation from the specified standard, it is deemed unfit for use. Due to this, full operational suitability is maintained and, as a result, high efficiency of the use of weapons is achieved.


However, this norm is not suitable for all armies. So, in the case of active operations, the weapons arsenals are quickly depleted, which forces the soldiers to fight almost with any product that fell into their hands. This, for example, was clearly shown by the events in the east of Ukraine, when both sides of the confrontation used a lot of rare samples.

Equally important is the financial sustainability of the armed forces. With a shortage of funds, many armies begin to degrade rapidly, which was largely demonstrated by post-Soviet practice. However, a lean attitude towards the materiel makes it possible to compensate for the negative impact of the financial deficit, as shown by the practice of Hanoi.

According to the publication VietDefense, the modern People’s Army of Vietnam has five levels of classification. The first category includes new small arms, which can only be used in wartime. In the second - "new, which was in partial operation, very good condition." At the third level is a weapon that is used on a normal basis for educational purposes, "a decent condition." On the fourth - "weapons, intensively used, reached the service life." And only in fifth place is the “faulty weapon”.

This accounting system allows you to keep in operation the maximum possible number of weapons.
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  1. Same lech 27 January 2020 05: 31 New
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    And what about ammunition with different expiration dates for these weapons?
    The article is uninformative ... how and by whom is the degree of suitability of a weapon determined ?, at what stage is a weapon repaired ... who does it and where? and many other questions.
    1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      And what about ammunition with different expiration dates for these weapons?

      Alex, hi !
      The article says
      With a shortage of funds, many armies begin to degrade rapidly, which was largely demonstrated by post-Soviet practice.

      Post-Soviet practice shows that the "former Soviet" cancer will rise, if only to abandon the Soviet and get American.

      Of course, it is a big jackpot for the American military-industrial complex. But..
      I saw it, held it in my hands and fired at the M16 target. Compared to the native AKMS - as our Israeli "colleagues" say here, in VO, "full of fights" (poop, in the sense). I wouldn’t take such a shnyag into battle.

      And Country 404, for example, was going to abandon Kalash and switch to the NATO standard, that is, M16. Nude ... The fact that after the third store wedges. And not ours, but them, a little one.

      "Kalash" himself shot. And not in the dash - in battle. 12 "horns" - a normal fight. The trunk, of course, is hot, but does not "spit." Automation works like a clock.
      1. tihonmarine 27 January 2020 06: 04 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And Country 404, for example, was going to abandon Kalash and switch to the NATO standard, that is, M16. Nu-nu ..

        Well, that's why she is 404, no predictability, but instead of brains “dumplings”.
      2. orionvitt 27 January 2020 08: 04 New
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        All this, of course, is understandable, but after the USSR, so many weapons remained that some of the non-occupied people, if they had not been traded right and left, would have been enough for centuries. Only the 404th went to the arsenals of the three most combat-ready districts. How much was sold, how much was attributed to fires, how much it simply rotted, and enough for the war. This is provided that Ukraine hardly produces weapons. So, single copies.
        1. mikstepanenko 27 January 2020 18: 25 New
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          How much was sold, how much was written off for fires

          They wrote off to the fires what they sold illegally. If in Lozova something that should have been there counted, then there would be no city left. And so, before the “Russian terrorists set fire to the grass in the warehouse (such an official version), railroad trains were taken there many, many. Warehouses are underground, and the branch goes there, underground. It is not clear how the burning grass leaked there. And the only cartridge factory in Ukraine is located in Lugansk.
          1. orionvitt 27 January 2020 18: 58 New
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            Quote: mikstepanenko
            And the only cartridge factory in Ukraine is located in Lugansk

            So in Ukraine, or in Lugansk? lol In my opinion, Lugansk for six years now has nothing to do with Ukraine.
            1. mikstepanenko 27 January 2020 19: 47 New
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              So in Ukraine, or in Lugansk?
              You understood correctly. There is no outside production of cartridges for Soviet weapons; they use old stocks from warehouses. Not always suitable. And the other side has a factory.
      3. L-39NG 27 January 2020 13: 22 New
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        Yesterday I wrote, Vietnam has money, and not bad, it has. And he knows how not to waste them.
        And to the trunks in the safe, in addition to the short ones, I have Vz.58, CZ 805 BREN A1 / A2, JP MR-19 26 "6.5 Creedmoor, CZ 550 - 308Win redone for me, with a heavy barrel.
        Well, could not resist, boasted ...
        And if I'm not mistaken, Ukraine is not going to switch to the M-16
      4. Starover_Z 27 January 2020 15: 19 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        "Kalash" himself shot. And not in the dash - in battle. 12 "horns" - a normal fight. The trunk, of course, is hot, but does not "spit." Automation works like a clock.

        I recently accidentally "caught" a video on YouTube - "How to kill AK-103? Shooting in bursts | Destroyers of weapons" from Kalashnikov-Media.
        (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DR0E6I_77A).
        So it started to seize only after 11 consecutive stores (after the 2nd minute) and then, after changing the store, the bolt frame wedged, but the machine gun fired and did not "spit"! 1400 rounds were shot, but at the end of the bullet they took a birch beam of 150 mm!
        Great machine !!!
      5. mikstepanenko 27 January 2020 18: 17 New
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        What M16, Georgian, after 0808. So they were supplied not with army images, but for the civilian market with weakened requirements. They are cheaper, and Georgians are not used to offending their pocket.
  2. svp67 27 January 2020 05: 45 New
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    And is the author aware of our Russian system of "categorizing" weapons? Check out, it will be very interesting for you ... and most importantly you will see that the Vietnamese is very similar
    1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 06: 14 New
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      Quote: svp67
      And is the author aware of our Russian system of "categorizing" weapons?

      Sergey, hi !
      I have a 71-year-old AKM in my safe, I’m almost the same age as my father. Normal flight, works like a clock.
      About 4 months ago, five stores - I ate and did not even notice.
      1. svp67 27 January 2020 06: 17 New
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        Alexey hi
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        In my AKM safe, 71st year of manufacture

        With what I congratulate ...
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Normal flight, works like a clock.

        Since weapons love affection, cleanliness and lubrication
        1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 06: 28 New
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          Quote: svp67
          weapons love affection, cleanliness and lubrication
          Reply

          Not a word - GOLD.
          I, as my wife and I had a fight, pull out the "arsenal" (about a dozen trunks - fighting, hunting, all sorts) and begin to "clean-lubricate." Soothes at times.
          1. svp67 27 January 2020 06: 29 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Soothes at times.

            I understand perfectly
          2. Mikhail m 27 January 2020 07: 03 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Soothes at times.

            Especially my wife. laughing
          3. Uncle lee 27 January 2020 07: 11 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            "clean-lubricate".

            Loves the pilot
            Aircraft.
            Machine gunner -
            Machine gun.
            Like glass, light and clean
            The master machine shines.
            The cavalry fighter
            Silver blade burns.
            Content and you are fine
            Party, books and notebooks. hi drinks
            That's what we were taught at school!
            1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 07: 21 New
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              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              "clean-lubricate".

              Loves the pilot
              Aircraft.
              Machine gunner -
              Machine gun.
              Like glass, light and clean
              The master machine shines.
              The cavalry fighter
              Silver blade burns.
              Content and you are fine
              Party, books and notebooks. hi drinks
              That's what we were taught at school!

              drinks Exactly - they taught at school! good Thank you Vladimir for reminding me! good drinks
  3. Vladimir_2U 27 January 2020 05: 54 New
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    A slingshot is this what level? )))
    (in the photo, it seems, not the Vietnamese, but the principle is clear).
    1. Same lech 27 January 2020 05: 59 New
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      Here, too, are not Vietnamese ... but they look like brothers. smile
    2. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 06: 03 New
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      And in the photo in the article - what's on his head? Behind, I see - a shovel sticks out.

      It is worth statuya
      In the rays of the sunset.
      Not at all ... I
      In the hands of a shovel ...

      Remembered laughing This is from a joke when Vasily Petke said that without a mat. Like here in VO.
      1. Walking 27 January 2020 06: 27 New
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        He has a cork helmet on his head.
        1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 06: 35 New
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          Quote: Hiking
          He has a cork helmet on his head.

          wink
    3. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 06: 08 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      A slingshot is this what level? )))

      Squeeze American democracy under the gills - you can’t imagine such a thing ...
      drinks
    4. Shuttle 27 January 2020 07: 32 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      A slingshot is this what level? (in the photo, it seems, not the Vietnamese, but the principle is clear).

      These are the inventors of 80lvl. Flameless, silent mortar. Interesting idea, by the way.
      1. bessmertniy 27 January 2020 07: 43 New
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        The main thing is cheap. I believe that slingshot tapes can be cut from old car and bicycle chambers. However, thorough accuracy is required for accuracy and throwing range. And, of course, there is a certain risk that a mine or a grenade will fall off or go into the vertical and return. what
    5. Strashila 27 January 2020 09: 41 New
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      I like this option more
      1. Rzzz 27 January 2020 20: 21 New
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        For the battlefield, yes. But from the place where he stands, you can’t shoot from him. And no stealth. And it’s impossible to make handicraft in the conditions of a guerrilla war.
        Well, the price of two pieces of wood and two rubber bands - tends to zero.
        1. Strashila 28 January 2020 10: 45 New
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          “And no stealth.”, The fact of the matter is that this thing can be dragged through the jungle. yes, it’s actually one shot, but this shot will make a lot of noise at the enemy ... and then the answer will follow.
  4. Adimius38 27 January 2020 06: 02 New
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    Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete
    1. svp67 27 January 2020 06: 19 New
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      Quote: Adimius38
      Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

      Well, everyone has his own ... So Shoigu decided to re-melt the German trophies ... and I assure you that these trophies, the same in factory or arsenal grease, were stored ...
      1. polar fox 27 January 2020 06: 37 New
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        Quote: svp67
        So Shoigu decided to melt German trophies

        also not a great mind decision ... in the market the demand for k98 and other "gevers" ...
        1. Mikhail m 27 January 2020 07: 06 New
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          Not everything is measured in money. Symbolism is more expensive.
          1. svp67 27 January 2020 07: 36 New
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            Quote: Michael m
            Not everything is measured in money. Symbolism is more expensive.

            Symbolism, it can be expressed in another way ...,
            1. Mikhail m 27 January 2020 18: 13 New
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              Is it not symbolic to melt the aggressor’s weapons? Selling it, of course, is much more profitable, the benefit of buyers is more than enough. And what symbol do you suggest? Golden Calf?
              1. svp67 28 January 2020 03: 48 New
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                Quote: Michael m
                Selling it, of course, is much more profitable, the benefit of buyers is more than enough.

                And to use it massively at the same filming, so that the "Germans" and the "Kalashnikovs" do not run it, you belong to which category?
      2. Shuttle 27 January 2020 07: 34 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Adimius38
        Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

        Well, everyone has his own ... So Shoigu decided to re-melt the German trophies ... and I assure you that these trophies, the same in factory or arsenal grease, were stored ...

        And where to find out more about this epic decision?
        1. Avior 27 January 2020 08: 58 New
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          https://zebra-tv.ru/novosti/jizn/utilizatsiya-trofeynogo-oruzhiya-s-vladimirskikh-skladov-varvarskaya-pereplavka-istorii/
          This initiative of the Ministry of Defense provoked an angry reaction from many Russians. Unlike the department of Sergei Shoigu, they see in the captured weapons cultural and historical value. Plans for the remelting of German pistols and machine guns are called "delirium", "absurdity" and "barbarism".

          hi
        2. Adimius38 27 January 2020 23: 31 New
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          In accordance with the law "On the IC of the Russian Federation" we inform that Minister Serdyukov continues to ruin the domestic military-industrial complex. By a strange coincidence, shortly before the New Year in the State Duma, the so-called "Government Hour" with the participation of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov. The head of the Ministry of Defense behind closed doors told parliamentarians about the progress of the military reform, the solution of social and personnel issues of the army. As it turned out, it was also announced there that the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifles and SVD rifles were recognized by the leadership of the ministry as ... obsolete. And in the near future, the Russian Armed Forces will be purchased abroad not only by helicopter carriers and drones, but also by small arms - assault and sniper rifles January 16, 2011
        3. Adimius38 27 January 2020 23: 38 New
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          On the instructions of the Ministry of Defense, the disposal of small arms continues in Russia. The country's main defense department says that today Russian arms depots are literally crowded with machine guns, sniper rifles and pistols, which were made even more than 30 years ago. According to some reports, the number of small arms in military arsenals at the beginning of the 2012 year was about 16 million barrels, of which about 35-40% worked out their resources. By the end of the 2015 year, the department of Anatoly Serdyukov is going to utilize about 4-x million weapons.
    2. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 06: 39 New
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      Quote: Adimius38
      Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

      Under "Comrade Serdyukov" there were a lot of things. Fortunately, "he is not our friend."

      The dog ... Yes, and it’s a sin to insult a dog with that name ... (And the echo bore the last word to Serdyukov)
    3. Doliva63 27 January 2020 17: 50 New
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      Quote: Adimius38
      Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

      Allow me to correct: with citizen Serdyukov. So far away from us, and closer to the dock.
  5. Metlik 27 January 2020 15: 14 New
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    So tanks should be protected so. Roll a dozen at the training ground in three shifts, and the rest in storage. By the way, malfunctions will quickly manifest themselves in new samples.
    1. Doliva63 27 January 2020 17: 52 New
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      Quote: Metlik
      So tanks should be protected so. Roll a dozen at the training ground in three shifts, and the rest in storage. By the way, malfunctions will quickly manifest themselves in new samples.

      Have you heard anything about combat and training groups? This practice is probably 100 years old.
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    In the USSR, there were at least 4 categories. During the service I had to deal with Mosin rifles of the fourth category. They had some malfunctions, but it was possible to shoot from them.
  7. cat Rusich 27 January 2020 22: 09 New
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    “Under the tsar-priest” they also took care of weapons ... and the RIA entered the Crimean War (1853-1856) with smooth-bore guns and sailboats. Before the war, weapons can retain technical combat capability for decades, but during the war, "rare weapons" quickly get out, along with their "users". As an example of WWII - WWII for the USSR: the pre-war equipment of the Red Army was knocked out in battle in the first year of the war. The same applies to other armies. Another example of Mango BOPS in warehouses, there are a lot of them in the grease, VERY MUCH ... but it doesn’t break through the modern armor of “probable opponents” ... You need to rearm the army in peacetime soldier
  8. lvov_aleksey 29 January 2020 00: 34 New
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    this is a bad practice, I think more that it is making money.