Five levels of validity: How Vietnam protects the "shooter"

Most countries of the world have unambiguous requirements for standing in service arms. In case of deviation from the specified standard, it is deemed unfit for use. Due to this, full operational suitability is maintained and, as a result, high efficiency of the use of weapons is achieved.

However, this norm is not suitable for all armies. So, in the case of active operations, the weapons arsenals are quickly depleted, which forces the soldiers to fight almost with any product that fell into their hands. This, for example, was clearly shown by the events in the east of Ukraine, when both sides of the confrontation used a lot of rare samples.

Equally important is the financial sustainability of the armed forces. With a shortage of funds, many armies begin to degrade rapidly, which was largely demonstrated by post-Soviet practice. However, a lean attitude towards the materiel makes it possible to compensate for the negative impact of the financial deficit, as shown by the practice of Hanoi.

According to the publication VietDefense, the modern People’s Army of Vietnam has five levels of classification. The first category includes new small arms, which can only be used in wartime. In the second - "new, which was in partial operation, very good condition." At the third level is a weapon that is used on a normal basis for educational purposes, "a decent condition." On the fourth - "weapons, intensively used, reached the service life." And only in fifth place is the “faulty weapon”.

This accounting system allows you to keep in operation the maximum possible number of weapons.

Comments

[Same lech]

And what about ammunition with different expiration dates for these weapons?
The article is uninformative ... how and by whom is the degree of suitability of a weapon determined ?, at what stage is a weapon repaired ... who does it and where? and many other questions.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And what about ammunition with different expiration dates for these weapons?

Alex, !
The article says

With a shortage of funds, many armies begin to degrade rapidly, which was largely demonstrated by post-Soviet practice.

Post-Soviet practice shows that the "former Soviet" cancer will stand up, just to give up the Soviet and get American.

Of course, it is a big jackpot for the American military-industrial complex. But..
I saw, held in my hands and shot at an M16 target. Compared to the native AKMS - as our Israeli "colleagues" here at VO say, "full of fights" (turd, in the sense). I would not take such a shnyaga into battle.

And Country 404, for example, was going to abandon the Kalash and switch to the NATO standard, that is, to the M16. Nude ... The fact that after the third store wedges. And not ours, but them, a little one.

"Kalash" shot himself. And not in the shooting range - in battle. 12 "horns" - the fight is normal. The barrel is hot, of course, but it doesn't "spit". Automation works like a clock.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And Country 404, for example, was going to abandon the Kalash and switch to the NATO standard, that is, to the M16. Nu-nu ..

Well, that's why it is 404, no predictability, but instead of brains "klёtsiki".

[orionvitt]

All this, of course, is understandable, but after the USSR, so many weapons remained that some of the non-occupied people, if they had not been traded right and left, would have been enough for centuries. Only the 404th went to the arsenals of the three most combat-ready districts. How much was sold, how much was attributed to fires, how much it simply rotted, and enough for the war. This is provided that Ukraine hardly produces weapons. So, single copies.

[mikstepanenko]

How much was sold, how much was written off for fires

The fires were blamed on what was sold illegally. If in Lozovaya something that should have been registered there, then the city would not have remained. And so, before "Russian terrorists set fire to grass in the warehouse (this is the official version), there were many, many railroad trains. Warehouses are underground, and the branch goes there, underground. It is not clear how the burning grass got there." And the only cartridge plant in Ukraine is located in Lugansk.

[orionvitt]

Quote: mikstepanenko

And the only cartridge factory in Ukraine is located in Lugansk

So in Ukraine, or in Lugansk? In my opinion, Lugansk for six years now has nothing to do with Ukraine.

[mikstepanenko]

So in Ukraine, or in Lugansk?
You understood correctly. There is no outside production of cartridges for Soviet weapons; they use old stocks from warehouses. Not always suitable. And the other side has a factory.

[L-39NG]

Yesterday I wrote, Vietnam has money, and not bad, it has. And he knows how not to waste them.
And to the barrels in the safe, besides the short ones, I have there Vz.58, CZ 805 BREN A1 / A2, JP MR-19 26 "6.5 Creedmoor, CZ 550 - 308Win converted for me, with a heavy barrel.
Well, could not resist, boasted ...
And if I'm not mistaken, Ukraine is not going to switch to the M-16

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Zoldat_A

"Kalash" shot himself. And not in the shooting range - in battle. 12 "horns" - the fight is normal. The barrel is hot, of course, but it doesn't "spit". Automation works like a clock.

I recently accidentally "caught" a video on YouTube - "How to kill an AK-103? Burst shooting | Destroyers of weapons" from Kalashnikov-Media.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DR0E6I_77A).
So he began to jam only after 11 consecutive stores (after 2 minutes) and then, after changing the store, the bolt carrier wedged, but the machine gun fired and did not "spit"! They shot 1400 rounds, but at the end of the bullet they took a birch beam of 150 mm!
Great machine !!!

[mikstepanenko]

What M16, Georgian, after 0808. So they were supplied not with army images, but for the civilian market with weakened requirements. They are cheaper, and Georgians are not used to offending their pocket.

[svp67]

And the author is aware of our, Russian system of "categorization" of weapons? Check it out, it will be very interesting for you ... and most importantly you will see that Vietnamese is very similar

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: svp67

And the author is aware of our, Russian system of "categorization" of weapons?

Sergey, !
I have a 71-year-old AKM in my safe, I’m almost the same age as my father. Normal flight, works like a clock.
About 4 months ago, five stores - I ate and did not even notice.

[svp67]

Alexey

Quote: Zoldat_A

In my AKM safe, 71st year of manufacture

With what I congratulate ...

Quote: Zoldat_A

Normal flight, works like a clock.

Since weapons love affection, cleanliness and lubrication

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: svp67

weapons love affection, cleanliness and lubrication
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Not a word - GOLD.
I, as I will quarrel with my wife, take out the "arsenal" (about fifteen barrels - combat, hunting, all sorts) and start "cleaning-lubricating". Soothes at times.

[svp67]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Soothes at times.

I understand perfectly

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Soothes at times.

Especially my wife.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Zoldat_A

"clean-lubricate".

Loves the pilot
Aircraft.
Machine gunner -
Machine gun.
Like glass, light and clean
The master machine shines.
The cavalry fighter
Silver blade burns.
Content and you are fine
Party, books and notebooks.
That's what we were taught at school!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: Zoldat_A

"clean-lubricate".

Loves the pilot
Aircraft.
Machine gunner -
Machine gun.
Like glass, light and clean
The master machine shines.
The cavalry fighter
Silver blade burns.
Content and you are fine
Party, books and notebooks.
That's what we were taught at school!

Exactly - they taught at school! Thank you Vladimir for reminding me!

[Vladimir_2U]

A slingshot is this what level? )))

(in the photo, it seems, not the Vietnamese, but the principle is clear).

[Same lech]

Here, too, are not Vietnamese ... but they look like brothers.

[Zoldat_A]

And in the photo in the article - what's on his head? Behind, I see - a shovel sticks out.

It is worth statuya
In the rays of the sunset.
Not at all ... I
In the hands of a shovel ...

Remembered This is from a joke when Vasily Petke said that without a mat. Like here in VO.

[Walking]

He has a cork helmet on his head.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Hiking

He has a cork helmet on his head.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

A slingshot is this what level? )))

Squeeze American democracy under the gills - you can’t imagine such a thing ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

A slingshot is this what level? (in the photo, it seems, not the Vietnamese, but the principle is clear).

These are the inventors of 80lvl. Flameless, silent mortar. Interesting idea, by the way.

[bessmertniy]

The main thing is cheap. I believe that slingshot tapes can be cut from old car and bicycle chambers. However, thorough accuracy is required for accuracy and throwing range. And, of course, there is a certain risk that a mine or a grenade will fall off or go into the vertical and return.

[Strashila]

I like this option more

[Rzzz]

For the battlefield, yes. But from the place where he stands, you can’t shoot from him. And no stealth. And it’s impossible to make handicraft in the conditions of a guerrilla war.
Well, the price of two pieces of wood and two rubber bands - tends to zero.

[Strashila]

"And no secrecy.", The fact of the matter is that this thing can be dragged through the jungle. yes, it is actually one shot, but this shot will make a lot of rustle at the enemy ... and then a response will follow.

[Adimius38]

Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

[svp67]

Quote: Adimius38

Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

Well, everyone has his own ... So Shoigu decided to re-melt the German trophies ... and I assure you that these trophies, the same in factory or arsenal grease, were stored ...

[polar fox]

Quote: svp67

So Shoigu decided to melt German trophies

also not a great mind decision ... on the market there is a demand for k98 and other "gevers" ...

[Mikhail m]

Not everything is measured in money. Symbolism is more expensive.

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhail M

Not everything is measured in money. Symbolism is more expensive.

Symbolism, it can be expressed in another way ...,

[Mikhail m]

Is it not symbolic to melt the aggressor’s weapons? Selling it, of course, is much more profitable, the benefit of buyers is more than enough. And what symbol do you suggest? Golden Calf?

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhail M

Selling it, of course, is much more profitable, the benefit of buyers is more than enough.

And to use it en masse on the same filming, so that the "Germans" with "Kalashnikovs" do not run around. What category do you include?

[Shuttle]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Adimius38

Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

Well, everyone has his own ... So Shoigu decided to re-melt the German trophies ... and I assure you that these trophies, the same in factory or arsenal grease, were stored ...

And where to find out more about this epic decision?

[Avior]

https://zebra-tv.ru/novosti/jizn/utilizatsiya-trofeynogo-oruzhiya-s-vladimirskikh-skladov-varvarskaya-pereplavka-istorii/

This initiative of the Ministry of Defense provoked an angry reaction from many Russians. Unlike the department of Sergei Shoigu, they see in the captured weapons cultural and historical value. Plans for the remelting of German pistols and machine guns are called "delirium", "absurdity" and "barbarism".

[Adimius38]

In accordance with the law "On the IC of the Russian Federation" we inform that Minister Serdyukov continues to ruin the domestic military-industrial complex. By a strange coincidence, shortly before the New Year in the State Duma, the so-called "Government Hour" with the participation of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov. The head of the Ministry of Defense behind closed doors told parliamentarians about the progress of the military reform, the solution of social and personnel issues of the army. As it turned out, it was also announced there that the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifles and SVD rifles were recognized by the leadership of the ministry as ... obsolete. And in the near future, the Russian Armed Forces will be purchased abroad not only by helicopter carriers and drones, but also by small arms - assault and sniper rifles January 16, 2011

[Adimius38]

On the instructions of the Ministry of Defense, the disposal of small arms continues in Russia. The country's main defense department says that today Russian arms depots are literally crowded with machine guns, sniper rifles and pistols, which were made even more than 30 years ago. According to some reports, the number of small arms in military arsenals at the beginning of the 2012 year was about 16 million barrels, of which about 35-40% worked out their resources. By the end of the 2015 year, the department of Anatoly Serdyukov is going to utilize about 4-x million weapons.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Adimius38

Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

There was a lot of things under "comrade Serdyukov." Fortunately, "he is not our friend."

The dog ... Yes, and it’s a sin to insult a dog with that name ... (And the echo bore the last word to Serdyukov)

[Doliva63]

Quote: Adimius38

Under comrade Serdyukov, the machines were still sent to the scrap type in factory lubrication as obsolete

Allow me to correct: with citizen Serdyukov. So far away from us, and closer to the dock.

[Metlik]

So tanks should be protected so. Roll a dozen at the training ground in three shifts, and the rest in storage. By the way, malfunctions will quickly manifest themselves in new samples.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Metlik

So tanks should be protected so. Roll a dozen at the training ground in three shifts, and the rest in storage. By the way, malfunctions will quickly manifest themselves in new samples.

Have you heard anything about combat and training groups? This practice is probably 100 years old.

[OIC]

In the USSR, there were at least 4 categories. During the service I had to deal with Mosin rifles of the fourth category. They had some malfunctions, but it was possible to shoot from them.

[cat Rusich]

"Under the tsar-priest" they also treated arms with care ... and RIA entered the Crimean War (1853-1856) with smooth-bore guns and sailing ships. Before the war, weapons can retain their technical combat capability for tens of years, but during a war, "rare weapons" are quickly knocked out, along with their "users". As an example of WWII - WWII for the USSR: pre-war equipment of the Red Army was knocked out in battle in the first year of the war. The same applies to other armies. Another example of BOPS "Mango" in warehouses, there are a lot of them in solid oil, VERY MUCH ... but it's no use to modern armor of "probable opponents" ... It is necessary to re-arm the army in "peacetime"

[lvov_aleksey]

this is a bad practice, I think more that it is making money.