Protests in the US: Americans do not want to disarm


The rally of many thousands that took place on January 20 in the US Richmond, Virginia officially held the status of peaceful. Nevertheless, at the first glance at its participants, burning envy could even encompass special forces - to such an extent the demonstrators were hung with a variety of modern small arms, from pistols and shotguns to automatic rifles. The latter, however, were presented exclusively in "civilian versions" - after all, not the military, but just the most ordinary civilians, who protested against attempts by the local authorities to at least somewhat limit their ability to purchase and carry firearms, took to the streets of the city the destruction of their own kind.


The local NGO Virginia Citizens Defense League (Virginia Citizens Protection League) managed to gather, rally and organize for the procession and rally of more than 20 thousand people. Its activists used the “Lobby Day” annually held on January 20, which is a traditional time for local lawmakers to meet with “members of the public” to express deep resentment over bills SB 18 and SB 16, which are being prepared for consideration by the local General Assembly, the state parliament . The thing is that as far back as last November, the majority in both of its chambers were received by representatives of the US Democratic Party, as one of their primary tasks seeing just tightening control over the turnover of the "firearm" in the territory entrusted to them.

Calling their initiatives stupid reinsurance or “too much sticking” is quite difficult, if you remember that in May 2019, one of the Virginia Beach municipal employees, for one reason clear to him, suddenly went into the city hall and started firing at his own colleagues. The shooter, the 40-year-old Devane Craddock, was not bad: 12 corpses and four wounded. He himself was killed in a shoot-out with the police ... However, what kind of “draconian laws” do state legislators and their supporting governor, Virginia Ralph Northam, intend to introduce to prevent similar tragedies in the future? To take away all the "trunks" from the locals or something like that? Nothing like that!

The draft laws that provoked a storm of anger among gun fans are only about raising the age from which you can acquire a "firearm" to 21 years, more thorough checks of the buyer's personal data when selling weapons, a ban on the acquisition of such more than once a month (!), the creation of “safe zones” in cities where entry with weapons for civilians will be prohibited in principle. Plus, it may be “illegal” to sell army assault rifles, albeit converted into “civilian” ones. This point is particularly strong resistance.

It got to the point that communities in some cities and districts of Virginia (totaling more than 100) began to declare themselves "refugees of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution" (the one that just guarantees the right to own weapons), flatly refusing to obey state law if he will nevertheless make the announced decisions. Donald Trump, who saw in the unfolding conflict a great opportunity for pre-election PR, was not slow to speak out in support of the "rebels." He didn’t fail to snitch about this: “They come and take your weapon - that’s what happens when you vote for the Democrats!” The US President also promised all his potential voters that, remaining in the White House, he would never allow the priceless Second the amendment "was at least a little insecure."

We can only add to the above that, according to statistics compiled by reputable media such as the Associated Press and USA Today with the support of one of the American universities, the number of massacres (with 4 or more victims) committed in the United States last year even beat sad record of 2006 (38 cases). It has become the largest since the 70s of the last century. In 2019, 41 such crimes were committed, 210 people became their victims. In 33 cases, out of 41 guns, it was firearms. What is characteristic, the motive of many such terrible acts is still a mystery ... The freshest example of this kind, dating back to this year: in Grantsville, Utah, a minor shot a woman and three children with a pistol, seriously injuring another person.

Obviously, those are right who, as one of the basic principles of "advanced democracy," call the possibility of everyone who professes to freely go to hell their own way. The Americans seem to have chosen their own.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 32 New
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    Yes, not how much they fight for weapons, but against the dictates of the government.
    1. Hunter 2 23 January 2020 11: 41 New
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      Yes, we would have their problems ...
      Citizens need help, send a couple of instructors laughing and forth - to storm the Congress! wassat
      1. axiles100682 23 January 2020 11: 50 New
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        I think a couple of three Georgian snipers on the roofs shooting at both the demonstrators and the police would be quite enough to set fire to at least the state. But these are not our methods repeat
        1. Shurik70 23 January 2020 13: 39 New
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          A lot of them there protest good
          Trunk Protest

          A protest with trunks. Tens of thousands of Americans with pistols and shotguns went to a mass rally, demanding not to take their weapons from them.

          Submitted by Russian America TV Tuesday, January 21, 2020
          1. axiles100682 23 January 2020 14: 43 New
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            And it’s not so important. People on both sides are armed, give a little seed and a lot of power, and there the reserves on both sides will be tightened. They have tanks there for individual use bully
          2. bayard 23 January 2020 15: 04 New
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            Yes, they have everything there ready for war - civil! And weapons, and a split in society, and mutual hatred ...
            It seems boring will not be there.
      2. tihonmarine 23 January 2020 11: 52 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        Citizens need help, send a couple of instructors

        Without instructors, a crowd, and with instructors an army.
        1. Fat
          Fat 23 January 2020 12: 21 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Citizens need help, send a couple of instructors

          Without instructors, a crowd, and with instructors an army.

          Not .. Militia ... Minutian experience among states over the history of the state
        2. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 06 New
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          Rind is SOUTH! Southerners - the backbone of the US Armed Forces. If someone, unknowingly, thinks that the southerners have long since dissolved, then this is not so. They haven’t gone anywhere.
          And among these protesters, you can easily find hundreds of former military men right up to military dynasties. So, everything is in order with self-organization.
      3. rich 23 January 2020 11: 57 New
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        Alesha hi
        No instructors are needed - they will shoot each other. The news is online today: Provocateurs were going to shoot participants in an arms rally in the United States as if on a hunt and were preparing for a new civil war
        Shortly before the demonstration for the right to bear arms, a group of people planned to arrange a massacre at this rally and unleash a “civil war.” This was reported by the AR with reference to the data voiced by state prosecutors in court.
        The provocateurs who were secretly tapped by the FBI included 27-year-old former Canadian Army reservist Patrick Matthews, 33-year-old Maryland resident Brian Lemley and 19-year-old William Bilbrough. All of them, according to the intelligence services, were members of the radical Baza group, which advocated a racial war and the destruction of the current world order. Four other men associated with this group were detained in Georgia and Wisconsin.
        Discussing with his associates the upcoming rally in Rinda (Virginia), Lemley talked about using a rifle with a thermal imaging scope to shoot people from an ambush, as if on a hunt. He also offered to watch for some patrolman without reinforcements, kill him and take his equipment.
        In early January, preparing to implement their plan, Matthews and Lemley began to collect food and other supplies to hold out for several months in the conditions of the “war”. The youngest member of the group, according to wiretap materials, was associated with Ukrainian nationalists.
        1. Hunter 2 23 January 2020 12: 03 New
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          Dmitriy hi However ... What - What, and the population has enough weapons in their hands for a couple of revolutions and civil wars! Just do not allow them, it is in Other countries, the United States stands for a humane attitude to protests, at home - They press hard! She is a democracy, not for everyone!
          1. Fat
            Fat 23 January 2020 12: 32 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Dmitriy hi However ... What - What, and the population has enough weapons in their hands for a couple of revolutions and civil wars! Just do not allow them, it is in Other countries, the United States stands for a humane attitude to protests, at home - They press hard! She is a democracy, not for everyone!

            No, everything is within freedom. You have the right to defend your point of view with weapons, while you have no right to be offended that they will kill you.
            "Having received a bullet in his head and an oven door in his teeth, the editor put on his hat and, referring to business in the city, asking the address of the undertaker, went out" (C) Mark Twain.
          2. tihonmarine 23 January 2020 12: 33 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            She is a democracy, not for everyone!
            "All animals are equal, but among them there are more equal."
        2. Olgovich 23 January 2020 12: 13 New
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          Quote: Rich
          No instructors needed - they shoot each other themselves. The news is online today: Provocateurs were going to shoot participants in an arms rally in the United States as if on a hunt and were preparing for a new civil war

          Yes and no ... request
          1. rich 23 January 2020 12: 26 New
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            Greetings Andrewhi
            I accidentally switched my language mode here and didn’t notice this. smile But he was very surprised - why did Olgovich begin to write comments in German. He began to translate on the phrase "Und nicht nechay ... request "precipitated laughing . It’s good that the switched register noticed, otherwise the roof from such a transfer would definitely golaughing
            It turned out that the mysterious "Und nicht nechay ..." is "Yes and nohai" laughing
            1. Olgovich 23 January 2020 13: 31 New
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              Quote: Rich
              Greetings Andrew

              Hello Dmitry! hi
              Quote: Rich
              why is it, Olgovich began to write comments in German. He began to translate on the phrase "Und nicht nechay ..

              We can! And not only in German ...
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              "Und nicht nechay ...

              the reverse translation, by the way, turns out to be strange: "And no ... idiots!" belay lol
          2. Tank hard 23 January 2020 18: 36 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Yes and no.

            Totally agree with you. hi
        3. bayard 23 January 2020 15: 25 New
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          Quote: Rich
          The group of provocateurs, which was secretly tapped by the FBI, included 27-year-old former Canadian forces reservist Patrick Matthews,

          The leader is a subject of the British Queen (Canada, as before, has the Queen of Britain, like Australia and many others).
          Quote: Rich
          The youngest member of the group, according to wiretap materials, was associated with Ukrainian nationalists.

          Ukrainian nationalists ... Ukraine is now under British control. Yes, and it was. Even before the Maidan, its organizers were trained in England.
          In total, we have preparations for a new civil war in the USA ... England! yes
          It turns out that with the bacchanalia of impeachment to Trump, Britain is also in charge? Very very similar to that.
          And for what ?
          Is it not to take over the leadership after the collapse of the United States to reassemble the "British Empire"?
          If you look at the map, which territories are controlled by its elites (the British Commonwealth) and their proteges (under the control of special services), such an assumption no longer looks so incredible. And experience in organizing and managing it does not take.
          Is this why Britain left the EU (for free hands and to be above the battle in a mess)?
          Isn’t this why the royal offspring left for the USA (or Canada) ... so that after everything burns out there, to build a new vertical of power?
          Very similar to that.
        4. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 10 New
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          It is entirely possible that this would have been the data of the FEBE members who did not belong to the pro-Trump group inside the FBI and were there not to be last year's “purges” of this glorious department - up to two hundred arrested.
      4. Altona 23 January 2020 12: 44 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        and forth - to storm the Congress!

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        In general, this is a call for the overthrow of the current government and a change in the constitutional system, Alex, albeit in the United States. wink
    2. Altona 23 January 2020 12: 01 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      how much is against the dictates of government.

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      There, as we have, the situation is one to one. In the Government, according to citizens, Christ sellers are sitting, and any representative of the Democratic Party is a demon. So I won’t be surprised if they have silver bullets in stores. laughing laughing
      1. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 12 New
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        Well, since the current "democrats" are actively promoting the whole package of what is called "liberalism" (tm) in the Russian Federation, then yes, Christ-sellers.
    3. Obi-Wan Kenobi 23 January 2020 12: 32 New
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      Yes, that's not the point.
      Americans can be treated as you like, but ...
      There is the US Constitution, which was adopted on September 17, 1787 and to which twenty-seven amendments were adopted, which are its integral part. And that’s all.
      Do you want, do not want, like, dislike, but there is an unshakable Constitution around which everything revolves around them.
      With us, every ruler begins to redo the Constitution.
      In the USA there is a powerful arms lobby. People want to buy weapons, that means there is demand, that means they will make and sell weapons, including to the population.
      1. Mestny 23 January 2020 13: 44 New
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        With us, every ruler begins to redo the Constitution.

        Today your site is not enough. Will not work.
        And 27 amendments, how were they accepted - when did the Constitution already become unshakable, or vice versa, did it become such immediately after?
      2. mikstepanenko 23 January 2020 15: 03 New
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        With us, every ruler begins to redo the Constitution.

        So what remains of their constitution after all these amendments? But nothing, some amendments that completely cancel the original meaning. By the way, slavery is also written in their constitution, only the amendment was canceling. And they themselves do not “pray” for a constitution, but for a “Bill of Rights,” which is also an amendment, if the ninth is not mistaken.
      3. saygon66 24 January 2020 00: 26 New
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        - And here there is a small nuance .... Some part of the US population believes that just the later amendments distort the essence of the Constitution ... And they are ready to fight for a return "to the roots" ... See. "Constitutional Party of the United States."
    4. Svarog 23 January 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Yes, not how much they fight for weapons, but against the dictates of the government.

      In this regard, I have an idea, but is it because the laws in the USA work that there are so many weapons on hand?
    5. iouris 23 January 2020 16: 21 New
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      Firstly, "not so much." Secondly, any power is a dictatorship, not some kind of dictatorship. Thirdly, of course, it is possible to “fight” against (especially) the US government, but not for very long.
      These guys haven’t broken anything yet, that's why they are alive.
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    1. Altona 23 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      Quote: Cloud Catcher
      Wild Wild West

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      Then the guys from the East coast of the United States came out. In the west, they have California with demons, Latinos, and other, in their opinion, indecency.
      1. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 18 New
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        This demonstration is not just a rally, but a demonstration - i.e. showing determination and readiness. And they were brought out precisely by the trampists (not for nothing that Trump instantly supported them) to demonstrate their own forces, moreover, in contrast to the "power groups" of the Democrats - completely legal and constitutional. And the Democrats rely on Latin and Negro gangs.
        By the way, in the southeastern and parts of the central states, the Latino population is already prevailing over whites. So it goes.
  3. Lesorub 23 January 2020 11: 44 New
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    against attempts by local authorities to at least to some extent limit their ability to acquire and carry firearms to destroy their own kind.

    Especially the author has wetted the phrase "the destruction of their own kind")))
  4. Al_lexx 23 January 2020 11: 48 New
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    According to statistics, in the states, in street skirmishes more people perish than in army operations.
    That's for sure, they want to shoot each other, no one can stop them.
    1. uav80 23 January 2020 12: 41 New
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      Vermont is the calmest state in the USA.
      This state does not need any special permits for firearms and their carrying, both hidden and open. Vermont is not only the leader among the states in the number of civil arrests, according to statistics, citizens make more arrests than police officers.
      Since armed citizens are a direct counterweight to crime and criminal dictatorship, those who are not ready to defend their state must pay for it.

      The logic of the bill is very simple - people without weapons require more protection from the rule of law. And, accordingly, must pay a larger tax for this protection. The tax is $ 500

      According to the law, all adults who do not have weapons must be registered, as the government has the right to know which of the citizens is not ready to defend the state. And this is despite the fact that Vermont is already one of the most armed states of the USA and the only one where permission for the hidden carrying of weapons is not required.
  5. KAVBER 23 January 2020 11: 49 New
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    Everyone should have the right to self-defense, the bandits have weapons, and so it should be, according to the law and ordinary people, and about cases of mass shooting, if those who shot the same would have weapons with themselves, they could respond and victims would be much less.
    1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 01 New
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      Quote: KAVBER
      Everyone should have the right to self-defense, bandits have weapons and so have

      Those. are the majority of the US population bandits? ^ _ ^ The weapon of this one is also "and so is."
      In principle, the fact that the political elite of the United States are bandits from the highway, I agree. But it’s hard to live in a gangster country (a hodgepodge of marginals from all over the Earth’s ball) without becoming at least a little bit a gangster himself. Let it be potential.
    2. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 12: 03 New
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      when people already understand that self-defense is not your weapon. in addition to owning it, you need to be able to use it and more importantly, be ready to psychologically apply it. housing safety is not a safe with a bunch of trunks that you still have to run to and the environment in the first place among which you live. who will protect me then if fools pick up weapons here tell me?
      1. Incvizitor 23 January 2020 12: 19 New
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        Self-defense is not a trunk on hand, which is not difficult to get, it is a legitimate opportunity to protect yourself and whoever attacks with a knife, you will fill it and it’s your own fault.
        1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 12: 27 New
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          I am talking only about arms in the hands of ordinary people. that the laws need to be changed and done very correctly, I have no doubt. they are outdated a long time ago.
      2. Altona 23 January 2020 12: 40 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        housing safety is not a safe with a bunch of trunks that you still have to run to and the environment in the first place among which you live. who will protect me then if fools pick up weapons here tell me?

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        You say it right, but for this it is necessary to revive the USSR so that the people again become careless and naive. And today this is hardly possible for many reasons. Especially in the United States you will not do it. A completely different mentality, a lot of cultural differences between peoples and blah blah blah, including possums, bears and rattlesnakes, against which it would also be nice to have a vinar. It was the white Americans who are being forced to tolerate all sorts of things, not to call blacks, to respect gays and so on. If you come to them with such ideas, then they will reproach you in the fool and will be right.
        1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 12: 47 New
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          not at all. I in the first states did not offer to change, and in the second I did not offer to make people naive) everything is much simpler. your environment your habits and your actions much more affect your safety than many people think. First you need to learn how to follow this. for example, I don’t drink and it means that my probability of dying in a drunken brawl in the kitchen is zero) it's just for an example, but you think you’ll understand where I’m leading.
          1. tracer 26 January 2020 17: 44 New
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            You for that you do not drink on a site already minus. And I'm your like-minded person in this. Otherwise, I do not support you as the legal owner of the weapon.
            1. Timeout 27 January 2020 02: 08 New
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              Quote: tracer
              You for don't drink the site has already been minuscule. And I'm your like-minded person in this.

              But what about bouts of sudden aggression or amnesia in the comments? Oh, cunning again ...
              Quote: tracer
              as the rightful owner of a weapon.

              Ooh, tracer, it's time to say that you are the rightful owner of an arms store. Respectable. And then IZH-27 in the safe, as it is not solid.
          2. Timeout 27 January 2020 01: 57 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            for example, I don’t drink and it means that my probability of dying in a drunken brawl in the kitchen is zero)

            For that there is a chance of dying passing by a bar or in an unfamiliar area having received a bat on the head, is also just an example.
            1. tracer 27 January 2020 02: 31 New
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              Pass already by yourself somewhere past you the invented bar. Yes soon.
              1. Timeout 27 January 2020 02: 54 New
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                Quote: tracer
                Pass already by yourself somewhere past you the invented bar. Yes soon.

                Yes, the "tracer", the latest envy of the thing ... He could not come up with? Yes, you lose qualification ...
                1. tracer 27 January 2020 02: 57 New
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                  I’m not losing my qualifications. Be sure. I'll look at you again. You are unpleasant to me as a rare arrogant. And there who knows. Bars of course bypass them, they are dangerous. "And do not eat raw tomatoes at night."
                  1. Timeout 27 January 2020 03: 10 New
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                    Quote: tracer
                    I’m not losing my qualifications. Be sure.

                    Yeah, tryndet always, tryndet everywhere.
                    Quote: tracer
                    You are unpleasant to me as a rare arrogant.

                    Of course, the truth is she is, for she is always not pleasant.
                    Quote: tracer
                    And there who knows.

                    And it will be as always, you will get angry with the administration and then you yourself will get into the ban for a month already.
                    1. tracer 27 January 2020 03: 40 New
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                      Here sneeze what you think there in your wet fantasies. And I have something to do besides idle talk on the site. You personally insulted me with your lies and arrogance. I'll watch you. And then maybe people will find help. Be careful brother. Take care of yourself.
                      1. Timeout 27 January 2020 03: 57 New
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                        Quote: tracer
                        Here sneeze what you think there in your wet fantasies.

                        Yes, tracer, as always in your repertoire ... Are you all hoping for someone's fantasies? And again, past the cash register.
                        Quote: tracer
                        And I have something to do besides idle talk on the site.

                        Of course, it’s just more awkward.
                        Quote: tracer
                        You personally insulted me with your lies and arrogance.

                        And when the facts became a lie, or are you from the anti-universe, where is the opposite?
                        Alas, the canteen is closed, it does not serve trolls.
                        Quote: tracer
                        I'll watch you. And then maybe people will find help. Be careful brother. Take care of yourself.

                        Not really the money appeared? Of course, connect people, I’ll even give the address. We sit, talk, discuss the "tracer".
        2. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 33 New
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          Quote: Altona
          You say it right, but for this it is necessary to revive the USSR so that the people again become careless and naive

          Sorry? They killed a little in the USSR, do you think?
          1. Timeout 27 January 2020 02: 01 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            They killed a little in the USSR, do you think?

            In the USSR they killed, but much less than now. And the children were not afraid to let go alone, and at night they easily walked.
            1. Octopus 27 January 2020 08: 26 New
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              Quote: Timeout
              In the USSR they killed, but much less than now

              In the USSR, the news flow was essentially different. The number of murders in the early 80s - about 10 per 100 thousand per year - exactly as it is now. The growth of murders is one of the real, not fictitious, signs of the dashing 90s, in 2010 it returned to Soviet meanings.
              Quote: Timeout
              children were not afraid to let go alone

              Firstly, they were not afraid in vain, specify in which country A.R. Chikatilo lived. Secondly, the current situation with children is a consequence of pedo-hysteria, and not the real state of things.
              Quote: Timeout
              easily walked at night.

              Yes, you, my dear man, it seems born in 2000

              Yes, they went easily, he went. With a piggy.
      3. Fat
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        when people already understand that self-defense is not your weapon. in addition to owning it, you need to be able to use it and more importantly, be ready to psychologically apply it. housing safety is not a safe with a bunch of trunks that you still have to run to and the environment in the first place among which you live. who will protect me then if fools pick up weapons here tell me?

        Those who learned to run to the safe and pull the trigger, then go to school with claims for a poor grade for homework in grade 2.
        In fact, the Shtatovs react correctly to the sound of shots .. They do not run to the window, but fall to the floor ...
      4. KAVBER 23 January 2020 13: 15 New
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        I will say it. But for this, in order to be able and ready, we need the TRP, then our program is at the state level. The ability to protect oneself, to correctly assess the situation and come to the rescue, the same must be taught and trained by people, and then this is expected from them. We all are outraged that the youth does not come to the rescue for the most part, but takes off on a smartphone, and who taught them how to help, no one, so what are we waiting for then. And with weapons the same situation, it is necessary to lead and direct, control, and not let it drift.
      5. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 22 New
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        The Americans have one of the highest weapons cultures in the world. Which is supported including wide-ranging preparation.
    3. Ka-52 23 January 2020 12: 57 New
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      they could answer and there would be much less victims.

      statistics show the opposite: in the United States, in the country with the highest number of weapons (legal) per capita, one of the highest rates for the number of crimes per 100 thousand. residents. And the same thing with the ratio of the number of murders using firearms to the total number of murders - in the USA it is one of the highest. This suggests that the massive presence of weapons in the hands of the population does not make it (the population) life safe.
      1. Hort 23 January 2020 13: 17 New
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        statistically the most armed (as a percentage) civilian population in Switzerland. What about massacres and crime?
        1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 16: 18 New
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          statistically the most armed (as a percentage) civilian population in Switzerland. What about massacres and crime?

          do not confuse the weapons of a serviceman and weapons of personal self-defense. Storage and use conditions are completely different. The same applies to Israel. You will not find a direct correlation between the level of crime ANYWHERE on the presence or absence of weapons in the population.
          1. Hort 23 January 2020 18: 06 New
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            and where does the soldier’s weapon? Swiss citizens have the right to purchase personal weapons.
            By the way, the weapons procurement is similar to ours, except for automatic weapons:
            almost any citizen who has reached the age of 18 and has no criminal record can buy civilian weapons. Of course, you can’t just go to the gun shop and buy a gun you like there. First you need to get permission to buy weapons from the cantonal police at the place of residence. The police must make sure that the applicant does not suffer from mental disorders, as well as from alcohol or drug addiction, that is, does not constitute a danger to himself and others. However, there is no need to go to the doctors: all relevant computer databases of psychiatric and narcological clinics are available to the police. It is also necessary to state the reason for the purchase of weapons. There are only three options: “Hunting”, “Sports shooting” or “Collecting”. An interview with a police officer is also required. On average, obtaining permission lasts about a month and costs only 50 francs. At home, you can store both weapons and ammunition for them (but always separately). However, you need to distinguish between two types of permissions: Waffenerwerbschein - permission to purchase; Waffentragschein - Permission to wear. The second option is more difficult to obtain: you must pass the appropriate courses and successfully pass the exam. But this is not enough: the applicant must “prove that he needs weapons in order to protect himself, other people or property”. As a result, the second type of permit is obtained mainly by employees of private security agencies. However, those who have the first type of permission can easily take weapons with them if they are going to train at the shooting range (and hunters to the place of hunting). At the same time, civilians are required to attend the “Courses for the safe handling of weapons” for classes in the shooting gallery. Of course, not all weapons are allowed. Special permission is required to obtain automatic weapons (with the exception of reserve soldiers who keep their machine gun at home), silencers and laser sights are prohibited.
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            And in the aggregate the number of civilian and army weapons on hand it turns out that according to statistics, Switzerland is the most armed in percentage
            1. Ka-52 24 January 2020 07: 43 New
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              By the way, the weapons procurement is similar to ours, except for automatic weapons:

              South Korea - a complete ban on firearms (except for hunting and sports). % mind. kills - 0,7. Weapons on hand - 0,2
              Japan - a complete ban on firearms (except for hunting and sports). % Kills - 0,2. Weapons on hand - 0,3
              Slovenia - a complete ban on firearms (except for hunting and sports). % Kills - 0,48
              Denmark, Sweden, England, Slovenia, Australia - serious restrictions on the sale, storage and use rules. % of deaths - 0,98, 1,02, 1,2, 0,48 and 0,94, respectively.
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              USA - liberal legislation in the field of receipt, storage, use of weapons. % mind. kills - 5,46. Weapons on hand - 120,0
              Mexico - liberal legislation in the field of receipt, storage, use of weapons. % mind. kills - 19,26. Weapons on hand - 12,9
              Lithuania - liberal legislation in the field of receipt, storage, use of weapons. % mind. kills - 5,25. Weapons on hand - 13,6

              In general, looking at statistics it is easier to say that no weapons in the hands of the population can reduce crime. The level of crime is more affected by the cultural, social, economic environment than the trunk in the hands. The Swiss or Icelanders from criminals are protected not by a gun or a machine gun, but by the general low crime rate in the country. As in other economically developed European countries.

              Now about the Russian Federation. We already have a high crime rate (at the level of the Philippines with their Navas slums in Manila). I personally doubt very much that liberalization of the arms law, with the permission of the short barrel, will reduce our sad statistics.
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                % mind. kills - 0,7.

                Dear, do not write about the percentage of intentional killings, and murders with the use of firearms. For example, the same Korea, a lot of domestic killings on the basis of drinking, than Koreans are very professionally engaged after work ..
                Quote: Ka-52
                In general, looking at statistics it is easier to say that no weapons in the hands of the population can reduce crime.

                So the presence of trunks is not an indicator in statistics.
                Quote: Ka-52
                The level of crime is more affected by the cultural, social, economic environment.

                Yeah, what you wrote is called the standard of living. The higher the standard of living, the less any marginal elements.
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                Now about the Russian Federation. We already have a high crime rate (at the level of the Philippines with their Navas slums in Manila). I personally doubt very much that liberalization of the arms law, with the permission of the short barrel, will reduce our sad statistics.

                In fact, in all slums, the crime rate is the same. Be it Barrios Paraguay or some kind of "Shanghai" in Uryupinsk.
            2. your1970 28 January 2020 19: 06 New
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              And in the aggregate the number of civilian and army weapons on hand it turns out that according to statistics Switzerland most armed as a percentage
              -NOT out!!! Switzerland felts 3 or 4 place .....

              2016 RIA
              "As the authors of the study found, with 1994 yearswhen the last time a similar survey was conducted, the number of gunshots in the homes of Americans increased by 70 million. Moreover, from the total figure in 265 million half - 133 million - is concentrated in the hands of only three percent of Americans. Statistically, this means that there are citizens in the United States who have at least 17 firearms in their homes. Although, as most participants in the opinion poll admitted, most often Americans keep two or three trunks at home. "
              https://rg.ru/2016/09/20/eksperty-podschitali-skolko-oruzhiia-amerikancy-hraniat-u-sebia-doma.html
              2019
              Washington Post repeat
              "In the United States there are more 393 million units of firearms owned by civilians, or enough for every man, woman and child to own one and still have 67 million weapons .......
              The report, which draws on official data, survey data, and other indicators for 230 countries, concludes that global firearms ownership is largely concentrated in the United States. In 2017, for example, Americans made up 4 percent of the world's population but owned approximately 46 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) percent of the global stock out of 857 million civilian firearms. "
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/
          2. Moon 23 January 2020 23: 03 New
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            do not confuse military weapons and personal self-defense weapons

            yes there everyone goes through fees.
            Potentially ALL military personnel.
            Without a difference.
            Large-caliber stored without cartridges.
            Che did not shoot each other.
          3. Maki Avellevich 24 January 2020 11: 56 New
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            Quote: Ka-52
            do not confuse the weapons of a serviceman and weapons of personal self-defense. Storage and use conditions are completely different. The same applies to Israel. You will not find a direct correlation between the level of crime ANYWHERE on the presence or absence of weapons in the population.

            owls right.
            the level of crime cannot be calculated only through the armament of the population.
            how to take into account the mentality, social atmosphere, etc.?
            we (Israel) walking along the street you will see weapons at every step. police, soldiers, security and ordinary citizens.
            cases of illegal use of weapons are but quite rare.
            and this despite the fact that here we are all quite quick-tempered and Middle Eastern aggressive, again, constant wars and wars also affect the psyche.

            it is difficult to understand what is the cause and what is the consequence, but somehow it is thought that weapons are the right of a citizen of the state. (with some restrictions)
        2. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 25 New
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          Austria forgot! There, too, citizens have the right to own weapons and with an influx of migrants from the south, the number of gunshots (and the number of firearms - pistols, machine guns) there jumped sharply up to the point that people raked out gun magazines to zero.
      2. KAVBER 23 January 2020 13: 18 New
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        Statistics is a tricky thing, it all depends on who is doing what and for what purpose
        1. Private-K 23 January 2020 20: 28 New
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          Yeah. And especially when it is possible to correct it in the right direction using all sorts of strange personalities who, suddenly, unexpectedly, go to kill. Which, undoubtedly, indicates that it is necessary to take away weapons from 99,99% of the rest completely law-abiding citizens and leave weapons only from bandits.
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        one of the highest rates for the number of crimes per 100 thousand. of inhabitants

        One of the highest among whom?
    4. genius-f 24 January 2020 11: 56 New
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      Those who have already shot weapons already unnecessarily. But when a man’s weapon is fucked up at home and he gets wedged, he goes to shoot at everything that moves instead of getting drunk for example. Much happens when a law-abiding armed citizen stopped such a crazy thing? Often I hear about dozens of corpses and about the fact that the arriving policemen shot and killed the attacker. How is that?
      1. Wolga 24 January 2020 12: 38 New
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        Let's not be cunning. Most opponents of the liberalization of arms legislation in the Russian Federation, this is precisely what they say, usually spending as an example a crime in the United States. However, it is not taken into account (or deliberately silent) that most of these crimes occur precisely in those states where arms trafficking is seriously limited or prohibited. The presence or absence of a “trunk” does not mean at all that a person is jamming ... If a person purposefully plans an offense with a large number of victims, the presence or absence of firearms does not play a special role. A tool can be everything that is at hand. Look at the terrorist attack in France when passers-by wagons were crushed in the streets.
  6. tihonmarine 23 January 2020 11: 51 New
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    “They come and take your weapons - that’s what happens when you vote for the Democrats!”
    I like these words of Trump. Propiarized beautifully.
  7. Masha 23 January 2020 11: 55 New
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    kills not weapons, people kill ....
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      Quote: Masha
      it’s not weapons that kill; people kill.

      Man + weapon = explosive mixture. Do not be one of the component killings from weapons will not.
      1. Masha 23 January 2020 13: 38 New
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        The weapon is soulless ... I want to believe that a person is endowed with reason, all the same ... at least a little bit ...
        1. Irokez 23 January 2020 14: 32 New
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          I want to believe

          Hope for faith, but don’t do anything wrong and teach others.
      2. Incvizitor 23 January 2020 21: 23 New
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        And pin.dos + weapons are generally murderous laughing
    2. Altona 23 January 2020 22: 49 New
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      Quote: Masha
      it’s not weapons that kill, people kill ...

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      Masha, here in the comments we are talking more about the ethics of owning firearms, and not just about the presence of a barrel in the house. I would add to your correct words that people would still learn to protect nature from us, that ethical standards in ecology be instilled in motherhood, so that a person would be wildly litter and pollute the environment. I’m off topic, but I think that for women, cleanliness and accuracy is the main thing. Leave the weapons to men.
  8. rocket757 23 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    Their problems are not interesting.
  9. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    They won’t do anything. If the right to personal weapons is enshrined in the Constitution (and the States will not touch it for obvious reasons) - everything will be limited only to the next repressive half measures, which will only embitter the population more, but will not take on any real effect.
    The last chance to change the status quo was somewhere else in the hairy times of Lincoln, after the war of the North and the South. Now this will not be allowed to be done even by the very same arms concerns, which in fact largely dictate the policy of the White House.
    1. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 34 New
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      arms concerns, which in fact largely dictate the policy of the White House.

      Arms concerts dictate politics since Lincoln?
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        Quote: Kuroneko
        arms concerns, which in fact largely dictate the policy of the White House.

        Arms concerts dictate politics since Lincoln?
        -in the country where gun stores more than gas stations or eateries like Starbucks - of course they rule arms concerns
  10. Altona 23 January 2020 11: 59 New
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    So in the USA they came out to defend their right to arms, their amendment to the Constitution, and ordinary people came out (where is Petrov who told me yesterday that people like me are different), Molokans and Baptists, libertarians (not stupid like Svetov, and theirs from Ron Paul), Republicans, Rednecks, and other publics of deep America and its true patriots. For an American, the right to weapons, and by our standards, almost unlimited, is sacred. Especially for the American of the South of the USA, such here redneck states of Virginia, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee. This is not forgive you, Lord California, with advanced nerds and not New York with gays. Mdaa, really hung with such nishtyak.
    1. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 36 New
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      stupid like Svets

      Svetov is just delighted with these events.
      Quote: Altona
      Lord California some with advanced nerds and not New York with gays

      It seems to me that you underestimate the American batanists and gays. They come across very militant.
  11. Vasily Ponomarev 23 January 2020 11: 59 New
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    what a shameful little article, here you have a better normal skin https://warhead.su/2020/01/22/virginiya-bitva-za-2yu-popravku
    1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 07 New
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      What a shameful little article, you better have a normal skin https://warhead.su/2020/01/22/virginiya-bitva-za-2yu-popravku

      Warhead has a lot of “own atmosphere” (it’s a pity, you need a reg from social networks in order to c # in the comments, but I hate social networks, so I don’t criticize the article). Sometimes it happens in the subject, but quite often - some private delusions of a particular author (some of them really "stardom").
      1. Vasily Ponomarev 23 January 2020 12: 11 New
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        you read the text, everything seems to be well written about the situation, here it’s just some shame, starting with the icteric name and starting with the American text
        1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 14 New
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          you read the text, everything seems to be well written about the situation, here it’s just some shame

          Dear, you definitely didn’t confuse the analytical article (or at least with a claim to analytics) by Warhead, NEWSLETTER on in?
          Just wondering.
      2. Altona 23 January 2020 12: 17 New
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        Warhead has a lot of "own atmosphere"

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        I tried to read Warhead, and in my opinion, found it peculiar, as you noted. But the militaristic sites they all sin that you noted. This is the "infallibility" of the authors, the tendency of a number of authors to glorify all kinds of ideologies (especially fascism, which is already there). There is one, but this little article about the rally is nothing.
        1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 21 New
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          There is one, but this little article about the rally is nothing.

          I do not argue, but then the dude brutally began to equate the animal analysts Warhead to news note IN.
          That somehow it’s clearly not nya, regardless of the directions and features of both sites. = _ =
  12. Vasily Ponomarev 23 January 2020 12: 04 New
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    of course, they won’t provide at least any normal facts at VO, this site is not intended for this, but I’ll just say that 1966 people were “massively shot” in the USA in mass shootings from 2018 to 1229. and how many people died in road accidents during the holidays?
    1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 12: 34 New
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      why are you doing this nonsense? want to compare the victims of accidents, compare with the same indicators both with us and with them and not with the number of those killed in mass executions .. you still compare them with the number of deaths from constipation. if you want for normal, so compare the number of those killed for the same reason as in the States we have for the same period of time. the facts are normal, yeah. comparing mass shootings with the victims of an accident is a great sign of manipulation. explicit and stupid.
      1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 40 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        you still compare them with the number of deaths from constipation. if you want for normal, so compare the number of those killed for the same reason as in the States we have for the same period of time.

        I would also add advice to compare the number of prisoners in the United States and Russia. But here the United States is generally re-spitting the whole planet. First place in the number of convicts per share of the population. But the answer is simple - private prisons (in America the vast majority of them) bring a very large income from the actually slave labor of prisoners. Therefore, the more "customers" - the better. And if there are not enough “clients”, then friendly courts and judges will always help, since you can easily sue a person in the USA if you wish. For example, give 21 years (!) For the murder of CAT (real case, if it is).
        1. Vasily Ponomarev 23 January 2020 12: 49 New
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          and where are the prisons, about the accident, I even compared by the number of deaths, you just gave some kind of left-wing example, although they not only have more prisons but also have roads of airports and much more, that’s why we don’t need that to learn from them, but in economics, I think I should not give comparisons, otherwise it will be very sad, but I do not want to start a fight like you here
          1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 55 New
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            and I don’t want to start srach like you here

            And don't start.
            What really, and if I start “fray”, it is very rare - and only when the opponent and the topic deserve it. Usually they start with me.
            But about prisons and the number of convicts mentioned for good reason. But here you need to twist the balls in the skull. Establish a causal relationship and trend. Or give a hint?
            Although, probably not worth it. In general, pass by.
          2. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 13: 21 New
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            so from accidents in the states, for example, in 18, 17201 people died, we have 18000 with something. and compare it. and how many people in Russia died from mass executions do you want to compare with the states? then you will argue the right example or the left.
            1. Korax71 23 January 2020 15: 21 New
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              Well, if you estimate the number of people in both countries and the number of cars per capita, then something is somehow not very happy prospect looms belay
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                I would even say not at all joyful. but here you need to consider a bunch of factors. from mentality to elementary observance of traffic rules, which we certainly are not famous for. I have when the eldest was born in 11, I changed in this regard globally. I didn’t go as before and began to notice right away what wonderful drivers we were in quotes and how it turns out to be sometimes scary to travel with a child around the city.
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              and how many people in Russia died from mass executions want to compare with the states

              the last Kerch is actually very similar to the American "freefaers"
              Only there weapons are allowed. But not here. And the cases are the same.
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                but who argues that ... only for us it is a terrible tragedy and then the next news is simple in my opinion.
      2. Vasily Ponomarev 23 January 2020 12: 41 New
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        I gave an example just to show how little dies from weapons compared to other types, even more dies from knives, but no one is going to ban them, and about the accident in the United States even more than we die, I know that wanted to compare
        1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 13: 22 New
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          you gave an example of how few die in weapons in the states compared to those who died in road accidents for some reason in Russia. but we also shot people. why don't you compare with these indicators? so that the difference wouldn’t look so wild?
      3. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 38 New
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        to compare the mass shootings with the victims of an accident

        Let's compare with the victims of a drunken stabbing. Arranged?
        1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 20: 55 New
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          why shy then? let’s say for example the number of suicides. it’s also easy to draw various topics by the ears to a clear and definite situation. there are those who pick up weapons and go somewhere stupidly knocks people. but there’s a drunken showdown in the kitchen. it's the same thing of course. normal people do not compare the number of rapes, for example, and the number of crimes committed in prostitution. it's sorry stupidity.
          1. Octopus 23 January 2020 21: 08 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            let's say for example the number of suicides

            Just in statements like "last year a weapon killed ... Americans" they love to include suicides.
            Quote: carstorm 11
            arms goes somewhere and stupidly knocks people. but there’s a drunken showdown in the kitchen. it's the same thing of course.

            What's the difference? Dead - he is dead.

            Quote: carstorm 11
            normal people do not compare the number of rapes, for example, and the number of crimes committed in prostitution

            What do you call "crimes of prostitution"? How is prostitution related to the situation of those killed?
            1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 21: 19 New
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              and how is intentional multiple killing related to domestic? it’s not clear why I called these comparisons stupidity yet? I have already said above, if you want to bring comparisons, then compare them with similar crimes. and the dead are dead, then the suicides are also not very alive. The statistics above in the states were given the same in our country. there really is 10 times less but at least an honest comparison. but that doesn’t roll you as I see it. not enough and therefore it is necessary to fasten to other statistics that would sound worse.
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                How is intentional multiple killing related to domestic killing?

                In both cases, a dead person is formed.
                Quote: carstorm 11
                it is clear why I called these comparisons stupidity yet?

                Of course it’s clear. You want to say that mass killings are terrible as bad, and non-mass killings are even good.
                Quote: carstorm 11
                give the same in our country. there really is 10 times less

                The trend has statistics. In Russia, 100 thousand people kill three times higher, EMNIP.
                1. carstorm 11 23 January 2020 23: 04 New
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                  I want to say that you don’t need to cram the unbecoming under your convictions. the rest doesn’t bother me much. and what is good or what is bad let them settle for those for whom this is work. I am simply by nature frozen out trying to mix everything together and then make fools of people by comparing what, in principle, can not be compared.
    2. your1970 28 January 2020 19: 18 New
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      but I’ll just say that in the United States in mass shootings from 1966 to 2018, 1229 people were “massively shot” in the USA. How many people died in road accidents during the holidays?
      I won’t even swear .... Accident ....... they inside (!!!!!!!) More Americans Killed - than in Wars outside of the USA (!!!!!!!!!!!!)
      These are the individualists ....
      2013
      "America has lost control over the use of weapons - is it time for the world community to intervene?
      ("The Guardian", UK)
      The number of victims of the use of firearms in the United States indicates that the country was swept by a civil war.
      To gauge the magnitude of this catastrophe, it’s worth trying to guess the number of victims of all wars in American history, starting with the War of Independence, and calculate the number of deaths from the use of firearms from the moment when Sirhan Sirhan shot Robert Kennedy from Iver-Johnson 1963 caliber revolver. According to Congressional Research Services and icasualties.org statistics, the battles waged by America from the Battle of Lexington to recent operations in Afghanistan died 1171177 person. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI, with 1963 the number of deaths as a result of the use of firearms, including suicide, amounted to 1384171 people.
      It turns out that over the past 45 years from a firearm killed 212994 more Americans than in all wars involving the United States "A terrifying figure, especially when viewed in the context of an obsession with all safety rules and the risks of 'second-hand smoke,' typical of most Americans."
  13. Dur_mod 23 January 2020 12: 08 New
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    For more than 400 million people:
    In 2019, 41 such crimes were committed, 210 people became their victims. In 33 cases out of 41 guns, it was firearms
    .
    This is a drop in the bucket, in Ukraine in my opinion it seems more murders from a gunshot are happening.
    1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 12: 44 New
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      in Ukraine, I think more killings from a gunshot are happening.

      Well, Ukraine after 2014 generally moved somewhere in the category of Somalia and other Africa.
      Here we are talking about countries with statehood, and not about Wild Field.
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      For more than 400 million people:
      In 2019, 41 such crimes were committed, 210 people became their victims. In 33 cases out of 41 guns, it was firearms
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      This is a drop in the bucket, in Ukraine in my opinion it seems more murders from a gunshot are happening.

      If you read carefully, we are talking about "mass." That is, when there are 4 or more killed at once! That is, mass shootings. And not killed by a gunshot. (By the way, cunning statistics, it includes those killed by the townspeople for crimes, and this is often there)
      If about all the gunshots
      In Ukraine jumped in 2015 and then went into decline
      2015, twice as much as in 2013 - up to 1526, with only 130 of them committed using smoothbore
      As for the mass executions in schools, Ukraine is far away in such cases.
      By the way, in Somalia, fewer people are killed in numbers. Trite a small country. The number of homicides in developed countries is greater because population density is higher.
  14. smart fellow 23 January 2020 12: 10 New
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    Americans are law abiding. They can. Russian students in the USA were very surprised earlier that they write off on the exam / test, and the teacher comes (went out somewhere according to his needs) and other students amicably point to them.
  15. knn54 23 January 2020 12: 10 New
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    It’s not the weapon that kills, but the people. Indeed, for US citizens, weapons are a symbol of personal freedom. In their understanding, the prohibition of weapons turns a person into a defenseless slave.
    It becomes clearer when you see the number of increasing gangs of African Americans and emigrants from Latin America.
    1. Irokez 23 January 2020 13: 52 New
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      It doesn’t kill weapons, but people.

      Kills a bullet flying out of a weapon the trigger of which a man pressed. Remove one of the components of the chain and no one will be killed. So the weapon just kills, as well as the cartridge in it and the evil head of the killer.
      Quote: knn54
      the number of increasing gangs of blacks and emigrants from latin america

      Grandfathers and great-grandfathers planted a pig when Negro slaves were brought in and when the Mexican lands were recaptured. Now they are paying the price - "what you reap, what you reap."
      1. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 40 New
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        Remove one of the components of the chain and no one will be killed.

        I understand you correctly, that without a gun a person can’t be killed? Are you ready to put money on it?
        1. Irokez 23 January 2020 22: 55 New
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          I understand you correctly, that without a gun a person can’t be killed?

          Not quite right, but there is some truth in this. Without a gunshot, a person cannot be killed with firearms - they realized, but in other ways it is possible, but these other methods are not so easy, fast and safe, which means that you still need to think and manage to kill with other objects, and not everyone will go for it because it can it just doesn’t work out, and it’s even afraid of the inability to use other objects, such as a crossbow, a kitchen knife or a fork.
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            Quote: Irokez
            the methods are not so easy, fast and safe, which means that you still need to think and be able to kill with other objects, and not everyone will go for it because it might just not work out,

            Some news from Mars.
            Or you suddenly had a personal dislike of the deceased because of an incorrect spill. As a rule, to your friend or relative. Then it’s unlikely that the question arises of the convenience of tools before your blurred gaze. Use, I do not know, an iron.

            Or you have the time and opportunity to think carefully. Including time to get the barrel, if you need it.
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              We probably talk on different topics, so round off.
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        Grandfathers offered a pig when these slaves were suddenly and completely equal in rights with other people, but did not make them normal members of society. So they got a flock of embittered, but at the same time full-fledged morons. And this is now going on all over the world.
  16. Ezekiel 25-17 23 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    For this example, Russian citizens should learn to defend their rights granted to them by the Constitution.
  17. Incvizitor 23 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    When civilians bombarded with white phosphorus everything is fine, and when they play around with weapons they don’t give this grief ...
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      Quote: Incvizitor
      When civilians bombarded with white phosphorus everything is fine, and when they play around with weapons they don’t give this grief ...

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      And what does conditional John have to do with a forgotten farm by God? This John is usually just as opposed to the war over the distant lands from the United States.
      1. Incvizitor 23 January 2020 12: 23 New
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        Something is not visible to them against wars, although they understand that FSA lives on this.
        1. Altona 23 January 2020 12: 28 New
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          Something is not visible to them against wars, although they understand that FSA lives on this.

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          "There is an amendment to the Constitution, not given to you by the Christ-seller-democrats, but by the ancestors-fathers. You didn’t let you be taken away. The question is closed!" That's how people reason. And this is normal!
          1. Irokez 23 January 2020 14: 09 New
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            You didn’t give and it’s not for you to select.

            Everyone thinks in categories that are beneficial to them and do not pay attention or simply do not want to look at the opinions and logic of the other side. Benefit and expediency prevail over logic and common sense.
            So, I rephrase the mentioned phrase - “You didn’t give you and you don’t take away” just like - “You didn’t give life to your born creature and you don’t take it away”, at least higher forces determine it (God if you want), and not the man himself to whom someone gave life too.
            And also, in addition, if grandfathers and great-grandfathers, like bandits, seized foreign lands and brought in slaves, more humane and intelligent children (if any) should correct the mistakes of great-grandfathers if they do not want to be the same bandits.
            1. Altona 23 January 2020 16: 29 New
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              And also, in addition, if grandfathers and great-grandfathers, like bandits, seized foreign lands and brought in slaves, more humane and intelligent children (if any) should correct the mistakes of great-grandfathers if they do not want to be the same bandits.

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              Here you kind of distort and rather rudely. I was not talking about the arms amendment to the Constitution itself, but about the Constitution itself as an unshakable law, although it makes no sense to explain this to our Christ-selling "patriots". For them, as for one-day butterflies. At first, their constitution was “American” as Zhenya Fyodorov broadcasted with GCD. Now they spin our Constitution as they want without popular discussion, but the "patriots" do not notice this, they will dump everything on the State Department as usual. I about it. And the militia of the southern states, whose ancestors overthrew British rule, most likely went to the rally in the article. Your reference to slavery is accepted, but not completely. Maybe their grandfathers and great-grandfathers were bandits, I do not argue, but it was their grandfathers and great-grandfathers who built this country.
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              Quote: Irokez
              must correct the mistakes of great-grandfathers if they do not want to be the same bandits.

              Send slaves back to Africa? Great idea.
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                - They tried already .... Even not everyone moved out ... Liberia never became a country of the liberated.
    2. From Siberia we 23 January 2020 17: 44 New
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      Why should John care about Said’s problems? Now they want to pick up a rifle from John, and John is against !! The fact that they bomb Said, John to the bulb! And if, in order for John personally to live better with the children, you have to hammer someone into the Stone Age. John is always for it! And John is right !!! John needs to think about how to live for him, children, parents. Why think about Said? For 2000 years, Said never learned to go to the toilet, did not come up with anything other than theft. Said continues to live in the Middle Ages and does not want to live differently. Said is still fighting over disagreements about who is a saint, only Mohammed or his descendants. John Violet Iran-Iraq, this is somewhere far away, and it does not concern him. He is concerned with everything that happens in his country. This is for John in the first place! Learn to live and think like John !!!!
  18. revnagan 23 January 2020 12: 17 New
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    Ai-yai-yay! 41 crime with the use of a firearm (and of which legal, how many?)! 210 dead! And how many crimes with household items and how many who died from them, can such information be? And how many crimes with the use of vehicles (drunk for driving a criminal), and how many people died from such crimes? And just compare the data. Otherwise, it turns out the manipulation of public consciousness with a specific purpose: to discredit civilian weapons as such, and infringe on their owners in particular.
    1. Constructor68 23 January 2020 13: 11 New
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      Again from you the same stupidity about pans?
      And how many crimes with the use of household items and how many dead from them, can such information be? And how many crimes with the use of

      In the United States, 65% of murders are committed with firearms. Weapons, Carl! And not pans and drunken driving.
      Otherwise, manipulation of public consciousness is obtained

      Pulling an owl on the globe with claims of massacre by Americans with pans is a manipulation of consciousness. Only his own and with the help of some drugs
      1. From Siberia we 23 January 2020 17: 48 New
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        The law obliging a citizen to have a special flame and to be able to contact him was taken in Canneko already in 1982, the amount of loss fell by 75 percent, that is, only 1981 percent. And over the course of 20 years, from the time of the adoption of the law, in the year it happened only after the murder, only one of which was used with an optional op.
      2. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 44 New
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        Quote: Designer 68
        In the United States, 65% of murders are committed with firearms. Weapons, Carl! And not pans and drunken driving.

        What reason to believe that those who want to commit a murder will not be able to make it a stool? Or here are the pans, yes.
        Quote: Designer 68
        Pulling an owl on the globe with claims of massacre by Americans with pans - this is a manipulation of consciousness

        Have you ever noticed that Russian arms legislation is hardly liberal? Have you heard about jokes, for an hour?
      3. Moon 23 January 2020 23: 25 New
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        In the United States, 65% of murders are committed with firearms. Weapons, Carl! And not pans and drunken driving.

        2/3 this is true
        Only another is funny. It is clear that in the most armed country it’s hard to kill with pans. The gun is easier.
        But killing murder is different.
        The murder of a criminal and the murder of an innocent are put on one level in these statistics
        weapons are used to protect life, and not to take it away, 80 times more. For example, more than 200 thousand women used weapons to protect themselves from rapists. And indeed, 3 out of 5 criminals surveyed say they would not contact the armed victim.
        Another fact proving that the more weapons the better is possession statistics. The Americans have 270 million civilian firearms in their hands, and the United States ranks first in the world in terms of weapons per capita. There are 100 weapons per 88,8 people.
        For example, in Yemen, this figure is 54,8, in Switzerland - 45,7, in Finland - 45,3. But the highest murder rate per capita, oddly enough, is not in the United States, but in Honduras. For 100 thousand people, there are 91,6 killings per year, in Salvador - 69,2, in Côte d'Ivoire - 56,9, in Jamaica - 52,2, in the USA - only 4,8.
        All you need to get out of this. Weapons block the use of weapons.
        Legal weapons oppose illegal ones. The people defend themselves ....
        Well, how to solve the problem of suicides in the United States, naturally with a gun ...
        1. Octopus 24 January 2020 00: 08 New
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          USA - only 4,8

          This, incidentally, is the problem of pro-gang parties. The focus of the discussion is on the United States with its disgusting criminal law and, as a result, high crime. High, not relative to Honduras, of course, but relatively similar in culture and income to the dominions, Canada and Australia. If Switzerland, or Finland, was the example of a well-armed country, it would be much easier to talk about weapon safety.
    2. Irokez 23 January 2020 14: 15 New
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      Otherwise, the manipulation of public consciousness with a specific purpose is obtained: to discredit civilian weapons as such, and infringe on their owners in particular.

      You have been severely infringed on in an attempt to have a weapon, that you are so vehemently defending a weapon in every article. And you yourself are manipulating data about death from other objects about which there is not a word in the article. Also drag in the number of suicides who committed suicide without using a weapon, and according to this logic, we can say that the weapon is safe because people of suicide do not use it, which means that you can sell it. Well, logical yes.
  19. maden.usmanow 23 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    In terms of per capita violent crime, Russia is ahead of the United States with its “armed” population.
    1. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 12: 28 New
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      Ahead, no doubt. But due to considerations of political correctness, the national composition of the criminals is not disclosed.
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    2. Constructor68 23 January 2020 13: 20 New
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      In terms of per capita violent crime, Russia is ahead of the United States with its “armed” population.

      It is operating both in armed and non-armed countries. This only confirms the thesis that the presence or absence of weapons does not have a coordinating effect on crime statistics.
  20. uav80 23 January 2020 12: 26 New
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    From the series "the office did not fall" ...

    "Petrov and Boshirov" again at work ...



    they don’t even hide, they go to the Russian VKPO with an assault backpack 6Sh112 ...
  21. Keyser soze 23 January 2020 12: 32 New
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    “God created all men, but Samuel Colt made them equal.”


    Where people are free, they have weapons. Including assault rifles.
    1. Moon 23 January 2020 23: 28 New
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      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Where people are free, they have weapons. Including assault rifles

      Because there are rights and obligations. The right to live and protect one’s life / the life of loved ones / property and surrounding citizens by any means. Weapons.
      In the army, they give a machine gun from the age of 18. And then they take him. You can kill in the army. But you won’t protect yourself in a civilian. Unless you call the police ... Afterwards ... if you survived and you can talk.
  22. maden.usmanow 23 January 2020 12: 34 New
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    At one time, the Communists took weapons from ordinary citizens, imposed a ban, and what helped?
    In the year 39, the Finns mowed down in stacks of people who could not shoot communists.
    And then at 41, the Germans began.
    In the year 91, unarmed Soviet citizens were unable to defend their Union.
    1. Alexey RA 23 January 2020 16: 08 New
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      At one time, the Communists took weapons from ordinary citizens, imposed a ban, and what helped?
      In the year 39, the Finns mowed down in stacks of people who could not shoot communists.
      And then at 41, the Germans began.

      Yeah ... and now let's take to the teeth armed America and Vietnam. smile
      Skill shoot from personal weapons has very little to do with skill fight. If the division commander and headquarters organize a march of a division along one road without concern for security, if the commander of an artillery regiment watches just a day how the Finns build a blockage on the road, if a regiment builds defenses without worrying about reconnaissance and security (and trenches too) - and then darts from German forward detachment (reinforced company), dragging a division and a corps behind it - no skill to shoot will help here.
      By the way, what is the percentage of losses from shooting in WWII?
      1. maden.usmanow 23 January 2020 16: 19 New
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        And about the Winter War and Finnish snipers, you modestly kept silent. The Red Army did not know how to shoot at all, one German machine-gun crew laid down entire companies of the Soviet army on the ground. The Reds went on the attack randomly, in groups and shouting 《Hurray!》.
        Guks had automatic AK 47s, Americans M14 carbines with solitary shooting mode.
        1. Alexey RA 23 January 2020 16: 52 New
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          And about the Winter War and Finnish snipers

          The fight against which the task is not shooters at all, no matter what the manufacturers of sniper rifles say. wink
          In combined arms combat, the main task of the infantry Vanya when meeting with snipers is only to find them possible position. And then their defeat is the task of group and heavy weapons of the infantry battalion / regiment. Why arrange a shoot-out of linear shooters and a sniper if the battalion commander has machine guns and battalion mortars?
          In the sniper rifle competition, the minigun’s calculation won, in a crediting minute, hitting the target 652 times.
          laughing
          Quote: maden.usmanow
          The Red Army did not know how to shoot at all, one German machine-gun crew laid down entire companies of the Soviet army on the ground.

          The ability to shoot a pistol or a gun does not apply to the suppression of machine-gun firing points.
          Here again, an observer, a spotter and mortars or a battalion gun are needed. Or a shackling machine gun fire and an assault group bypassing the firing point. And to arrange a shootout of shooters with a machine gunner - it's just putting people in vain.
          Quote: maden.usmanow
          The Reds went on the attack randomly, in groups and shouting 《Hurray!》.

          Apparently, the presence of personal weapons among citizens automatically provides them with excellent tactical training and coherence at the platoon-company-battalion level? laughing

          Somewhere I already heard about the magnificent fighting qualities of the armed people ... oh yes, this is the idea of ​​Comrade Bronstein. smile
          1. Octopus 24 January 2020 00: 12 New
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            Apparently, the presence of personal weapons among citizens automatically provides them with excellent tactical training and coherence at the platoon-company-battalion level?

            The presence of personal weapons in citizens automatically provides them with the ability and desire to clean them, elementary safety skills, and, ideally, the ability and willingness to deal with the automation of SVT. More precisely, not SVT, but Garanda, of course.
      2. Altona 23 January 2020 16: 34 New
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        The ability to shoot with personal weapons has very little to do with the ability to fight.

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        Nevertheless, US militias repulsed the federal attack on the lands of pastoralist Steve Bundy, but at the same time I note that the militia consists of people who are familiar with tactics and who were in the army or the ILC. By the way, there are many armed conflicts between the federals and the militia in the USA, and this is, as it were, a direct violation of the law by the militias. BUT the feds are letting such things go on the brakes, because in small towns, judges and sheriffs are on the side of the militia and, in general, if federal law can be ignored. then they ignore him.
        1. saygon66 24 January 2020 00: 52 New
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          - It seems like the Bundy family at one time received a long lease for a land plot located on the territory of the national reserve ... And when, after many years, the state tried to return these lands, they froze ... Like, our land, then watered, don’t bother!
      3. From Siberia we 23 January 2020 17: 51 New
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        Are you a direct eyewitness of all those events that you describe? Well, maybe your grandfathers were not smart, but you don’t need to generalize all
      4. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 49 New
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        and now let's take to the teeth armed America and Vietnam

        What is wrong with them?
        Quote: Alexey RA
        here no ability to shoot will help.

        It is interesting to hear from you that the quality of the draft contingent does not matter. Or do you have firearm skills that are not related to the quality of the draft?
        Quote: Alexey RA
        what is the percentage of losses from the rifleman in WWII?

        Very slight.

        Do you know that in many modern armies, melee fighting is still considered highly desirable, especially for the ISS?
      5. Octopus 25 January 2020 12: 58 New
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        By the way, what is the percentage of losses from shooting in WWII?

        Private tanks must be handed out, I think. Oh wait!
    2. Wolga 23 January 2020 23: 19 New
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      Severe addiction disease ...
  23. Varyag71 23 January 2020 12: 37 New
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    Free people! And tomorrow, our ardently unloved government will decide to completely get rid of all weapons in the hands of the population and swallow everything.
  24. eagle owl 23 January 2020 12: 40 New
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    Guys. I've been taught. And not only where military weapons were. I am a paramedic. with a good experience in the ambulance. I can kill with a finger. or a sewing needle. Not a trick. The weapon itself ... Guys, when I was just a pioneer, it was a matter of chasing cops. And for the case - for the cant work with the personnel, and I was a kid. Forgive me, well, tell me - where am I wrong here. I am a Muscovite. Not a drug addict, not a prisoner, nothing like that. I know where to buy a barrel, well, for example, did I crash someone bang? I can make an attack. And how can anyone legally be protected from mnu?
    1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 13: 00 New
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      And how can anyone legally be protected from mnu?

      MNU - I suppose this is the Inter-Aural Nodule?
      Well then, I don’t even know. You can protect yourself from MNU only by its complete lack or absence (although lobotomy, according to rumors, also gives encouraging results).
      Otherwise, the MNU begins to act insidiously and at least occasionally, but give rise to some independent thoughts and judgments. It is especially scary when they turn out to be quite robust.
      PS By the way, usually for every fireman I always carry a practical wrench in my bag. Theory is good, but practice is much better. Legally and useful both in everyday life and in wounds.
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        As you yourself understand, the inter-ear ganglion has resolved. And so. lighthouse ... Now let's say I have many friends, well, let's say cops. Almost all have illegal trunks in the hut
        1. Kuroneko 23 January 2020 13: 13 New
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          When he worked in the police (in IVF), our people basically just went to vodka. In the sense that the chef in the safe always had 20+ bottles of vodara (from expertise to the palette). They threw out the bad, put the good in the safe. Therefore, with cops all cops tried to be friends. Just a little holiday or date, everyone went to bow to the chef. And the ganja, by the way, although sometimes also brought in kilograms for examination, but no one dragged. In general, ECOshniks were saints (by cop standards - a really good team). There was, however, one rat, but it was revealed and driven out in time.
    2. Octopus 23 January 2020 20: 58 New
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      Quote: Uhu
      how can anyone legally protect themselves against mnu?

      What an interesting thesis. You suggest everyone wear Vaseline instead of a barrel, since you are so cool?
      Quote: Uhu
      Almost all have illegal trunks in the hut

      Is this an argument for or against legalization? By the way, did you notice that you have just declared your friends "suppose cops" to be criminals?
      1. eagle owl 23 January 2020 21: 14 New
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        Do you think I don’t understand? Well let's say so. one of my acquaintances ... And let's say for his head, and now there is such garbage - one bearded promised. Protection is needed somehow, but now he can’t wear a time card
        time are you so cool?

        I'm not cool. and YOU are dumb, you don’t understand at all
        1. Octopus 24 January 2020 00: 29 New
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          Protection is needed somehow, and he

          And I don’t mind that your friends are weapons enthusiasts. The thesis is somewhat different. T.N. liberals, although they are generally socialists, argue that citizens do not need weapons, because they will be protected by a large, good state. And here, yours, for example, the cops have illegal trunks. How so? Well, do they not honor the law?
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          YOU are dumb, you don’t understand at all

          You wrote just that. I want, they wrote, find the trunk - find, want to bang - bang. But the argument is exactly the same. The offender takes risks, and the additional risk associated with the search for the trunk, easily accepts. Civil - no, legality is important for civil.
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            Octopus! So what am I talking about, you’re catching up with that you’re bad, like me, he’ll find the trunk and work, you’re from such a creature. lively-cheerful - how to defend yourself? And no way
            1. Octopus 24 January 2020 07: 52 New
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              How to protect yourself? And no way

              Uh, no, you're cheating. You are throwing the thought that people are being killed because and only because they want to kill. But people are killed, as a rule, because they just do not care. So the trunk, according to pro-gan, just this basic option reduces. Not to zero, as shown, say, by executions in the army. But it reduces, some still beware.
  25. Romanenko 23 January 2020 12: 53 New
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    Quote: “according to statistics compiled by reputable media such as the Associated Press and USA Today with the support of one of the American universities, the number of massacres (with 4 or more victims) committed in the United States last year broke even a sad record in 2006 ( 38 cases). It has become the largest since the 70s of the last century. 2019 such crimes were committed in 41, 210 people became their victims. In 33 cases, out of 41 murder weapons it was firearms. "
    This information does not characterize the existence and application of the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution. The criminal’s possession of firearms only makes it easier to commit a crime, and does not provoke it. The crime of murder itself is committed in the head of the criminal and only then takes on flesh with the help of one kind or another of weapons or other items that serve as weapons.
    In our country, for example, in the near future, bows and crossbows may well appear in the reports as a means of committing murders, since they decided at the top level that they are "safer" than firearms.
    Bullshit!
    Any weapon in the hands of a mentally unstable person is a potential means of committing a crime.
    Prohibitive measures WILL NOT GIVE ANYTHING in America or Russia.
    Prevention is needed, during the USSR it was easier to get a firearm than now, and in the 60s hunting rifles were generally sold in sports stores.
    But there was a powerful preventive treatment for potential users. Starting from the lessons of non-military training at school, small-scale shooting galleries in the cellars of schools and generally accessible shooting sections of DOSAAF and other sports societies. For children, namely, it is most interesting for them to shoot, from snotty age they explained what weapons are and how to use them correctly.
    With the onset of "democracy", rightly fearing retribution from the population for "good" deeds, our then leaders and rulers, under various pretexts, closed and destroyed almost all the centers of the spread of small arms culture in the country, and a little later, under the influence of a "positive" example of ours Western partners, amid the growing up of the generation that grew up on shooters, and shooting began at living people with or without cause.
    For safe living, it is necessary to revive the culture of the population using a firearm, and not on a fashionable and practically no alternative commercial basis, but from school and in free mass sports shooting galleries and sections.
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      Respect! One of the followers said an interesting thought in his “mentovka” - observation: if you count the percentage of NOT committed crimes as 100%, then about 5% are crimes not committed due to upbringing, religious, etc. things remaining - 95% of offenses are not committed due to fear of the inevitability of punishment. I would like to add to your post the perfection of the judicial system and the inevitability of punishment for ALL citizens ...
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        Quote: Wolga
        count the percentage of NOT committed crimes

        I have some questions about these, from the cops who consider NOT crimes committed. Perhaps someday the time will come to ask them.
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        I completely agree with you, it would be nice if all these ideas were visited by the heads of our legislators. Unfortunately, so far they are working in fire brigade mode.
  26. uav80 23 January 2020 12: 53 New
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    CITY OF THE USA, residents of small towns are required to have a special flame

    Canneco, Jojia
    A law obliging a citizen to have a special casing and to be able to contact him was adopted in Canneko already in 1982. However, already at that moment the suppressing majority of 5 thousand inhabitants of this excellent place had an integral fire. The law simply secured it as a “norm." So far, he did not justify punishment for his neglect, as this is, in all honesty, just a formality. However, the number of crimes fell by 75 percent, compared with the year 1981. And further it was only reduced. And over the course of 20 years, from the time of the adoption of the law, in the year it happened only after the murder, only one of which was used with an optional op.

    Nelcon, Georgia
    In 201Z, a similar law was adopted in Nelkon requiring the citizen to have a home guard, however, also without punishment for non-observance.

    Hakla, Koloparado
    The law on compulsory possession of an optional lamp was taken in the city of Hakla in 201Z. It is believed that in connection with the events of 2012 - shooting at the Sandy Hook School and one of the movie theaters located in Kolorado. Local residents believe that in such a way the city will try to ensure that they are completely safe — rather, you should avoid it. A whether it is for real or not - there is no wish to check it.

    Virgin Utah
    A similar law requiring each citizen to have a separate housing condition was taken in Virginia in 2000, but also formally. Most of the residents already were so armed. When the whole picture was revived, the picture with accessibility immediately became the same as what was observed in the above-mentioned Kenneco.

    Gan Bappel City, Texac
    In general, it is surprising that, according to their insane love of love, the Texans accepted this law only in 201Z. And it is not surprising that the first thing to do was to make the city with the “talking” name Gan Bappel City. The results are similar to the above. A serious warning sign at the entrance to the city is valid for any potential offender is very discouraging.

    State of vermont
    According to the law, all adults who do not have weapons must be registered, since the authorities have the right to know which citizens are not ready to defend their staff, and they are also required to pay an annual tax of $ 500 for this.
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      CITY OF THE USA, residents of small towns are required to have a special flame

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      I wrote about this earlier, I had a acquaintance of the deceased from the town (or village) of Lula, Georgia, 4000 people. He was a good guy, very kind, kingdom to you Brandon, heaven. Dad and grandfather left something in the order of 211 trunks to him. He said that according to the law, he must have at least 2 guns at home. He consisted of a state militia, a popular militia (although the militia is translated as “armed people”).
  27. The Sparkle 23 January 2020 12: 56 New
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    As far as I understand, mass executions took place in places where weapons are prohibited. And there is no resistance from an armed and law-abiding citizen, because he is disarmed. And besides the late police, will she be able to protect against such a scumbag?
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      You misunderstand
      1. The Sparkle 23 January 2020 13: 11 New
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        So, some information about this:
        https://iravra.livejournal.com/16319.html
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          Dear, you would have looked more and thought ...
  28. smaug78 23 January 2020 13: 01 New
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    Spit ... And the article is another agitation ..
    1. Usher 23 January 2020 14: 05 New
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      Spit ... And the article is another agitation ..

      I agree, our arms lobbyists are sleeping and crying.
  29. Fat
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    Yes, everything is clear, the state is protesting against the possible adoption of a local version of Sullivan’s law ...
    Interesting..
    Masha Butova is sitting at InOSMI in the USA, she really liked the 2nd amendment, that she was promoting it where it was not worth doing this.
  30. sergo1914 23 January 2020 13: 09 New
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    When is the referendum? Virginia returns to its home harbor.
  31. Dzafdet 23 January 2020 13: 16 New
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    We would have their problems. If we had so many weapons on hand, then officials with the Edro party would not have been greyhound ..
  32. The Sparkle 23 January 2020 13: 30 New
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    I’m curious - many citizens are forbidden to ordinary citizens, but how can one trust a weapon with such a “vested power” - https://youtu.be/uMsIiBqi550
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    last year even broke the sad record of 2006

    the motive of many such terrible acts is still a mystery


    There is an opinion that individual mentally unstable personalities can be calculated and processed via the Network and “hanged on a hook”, at the right moment the pre-processed “patient” also breaks down, you have the right statistics for the elections.
  34. Usher 23 January 2020 14: 04 New
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    What can I say, to me in parallel. Let them shoot more. The main thing is that we wouldn’t have such “shit”, we mean “civil weapons” and it’s completely inadequate, but then the weapon will become more accessible, it’ll be a total hit.
  35. SARANCHA1976 23 January 2020 14: 22 New
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    Interestingly, the author has data for the proportion of how many cases. The use of weapons to fight robbers
  36. Jingibi 23 January 2020 14: 40 New
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    From the presentation of the article, it seems that the author himself is very negative about the ability of citizens to have individual combat weapons. Let US citizens. There is a beautiful expression: "Armed society is a polite society."
  37. Tank jacket 23 January 2020 14: 48 New
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    For trump redneck,
    The Radneks have trunks ...
    For Biden LGBT,
    And pink underpants

    Trump will win tongue
  38. ugol2 23 January 2020 14: 55 New
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    These are real Citizens of their country and real Patriots.
    Whoever, as it were, relates to the United States and its politics.
    These people respect themselves. They can not be thrust under the heel and just plugged in their mouths. The mentality is probably like that in the American outback.
    Just 20 people gathered and went to the rally peacefully because of disagreement with the authorities. All within the framework of the permitted and in the legal field.
    And now about us.
    So I’m not a bit “liberal” and not a representative of a neighboring country.
    And I just can’t imagine that such a thing is possible in our outback. What would 20 people of the county town come to a rally to protest against the policies of the authorities. It is not the power to overthrow, namely, to express your disagreement.
    “How is that possible? !! Against the EP itself, the very one that is now located in the offices of the former Regional Party Committee !!! ”
    Yes, the governor will come up with a thousand reasons to prohibit such a rally and nip it in the bud. And the people naturally know such a situation and will quietly sit peacefully at home and grumble within what is permitted.
    And now the question is - who deserves more respect? And whose voices are easier to manipulate? Will a simple American vote for who they say and because there is no one else?
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      Quote: ugol2
      So I’m not a bit “liberal” and not a representative of a neighboring country.

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      I completely agree with you, with both hands for your comment. The neighboring country, by the way, was ours at the time, but the Christ sellers rejected it. Tried in the United States would crank it up.
  39. Lord of the Sith 23 January 2020 15: 40 New
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    Do not want to disarm? Wellcome to Syria, let them fight against the barmaley.
    1. From Siberia we 23 January 2020 17: 58 New
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      For Syria, they have suckers like Ivan. They will print colored paper and the Vanya will run to fight with the barmales. And the head of the vanilla state will also write off debts to the barmaleys
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        And in VO there is a local holy fool Alejandro, who lies that from Siberia, mows under the Yankees))
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      Such usually, unfortunately, FOR barmaley.
  40. honest people 23 January 2020 15: 58 New
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    According to statistics, in the states, in street skirmishes more people perish than in army operations.
    That's for sure, they want to shoot each other, no one can stop them.

    Learn the materiel! laughing
  41. BISMARCK94 23 January 2020 17: 10 New
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    And so if you think about it: which mobility reserve is better: who served an urgent term and forgot or who has his whole culture of weapons, who knows how to handle it, practices in shooting galleries. In the USSR after the war, how many trunks were there? Things did not go further than Bandera and the forest brothers, but this is already ideological.
    So the question is culture. Well, I suppose that the Americans are more united and global problems, for the solution of which we must grab the trunk - no.
    1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 44 New
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      And so if you think about it: which mobility reserve is better: who served an urgent term and forgot or who has his whole culture of weapons, who knows how to handle it, practices in shooting galleries.

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      Check out the US III militia militia, articles and videos are online. You will be fascinated.
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        - "Three percent" - only a small part of the militia (police) in the States ...
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          Quote: saygon66
          - "Three percent" - only a small part of the militia (police) in the States ...

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          My acquaintance was deceased from the "three percent". This does not change the essence. Patriotic militia is in the top five "national threats" of the United States.
          1. saygon66 24 January 2020 13: 33 New
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            -Patriotism, as a threat to statehood ... It sounds paradoxical, doesn't it?
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              Quote: saygon66
              -Patriotism, as a threat to statehood ... It sounds paradoxical, doesn't it?

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              Given the supranational interests of American companies, I personally do not hurt a rumor. US patriots have long considered official Washington to be Christ sellers. I talked with Brandon somewhere in the years 2013-2014, then he died of drugs, friends and brother drove him hashish. At first, he gained a lot of weight, drank a lot, and then somehow in 2 years a man burned out. A smart guy was very interested in Russia. Pictures on his Facebook post such as "people have the right to overthrow tyranny," "people in jeans built this country, people in suits sold it." He himself from the Baptist Evangelical community, a good guy, loved all sorts of vintage things, nieces and generally loved his relatives, and they loved him. He opened a cafe, apparently trying to do business. In general, the southerners of the USA are interesting people, I met Bill Lee, the guy is a cool photographer, practically lives in the forest, runs after the black American baribal bear, he knows everything about them. Great people in general. In general, I am in any case for these guys with rifles, because I kind of understand them well. hi
              1. saygon66 24 January 2020 14: 01 New
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                - This is most likely a matter of the organization of the States ... A federation in which the government is only a group of managers. It is not surprising that the locals grin whenever the capital’s whips climb up to them with muddy initiatives under the guise of striving for the public good ...
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                  A federation in which the government is just a group of managers.

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                  And isn’t it so? Everything is the same with us. We also have all the traitors and liars-traitors, ambidexters, layers. US patriots take over the border and patrol their towns themselves. They do not like blacks, Latinos and other audiences with a different culture, not that there is somehow a racial hostility, they just do not want to deal with them. Like live where you lived, why are you hiding with us with terrible force?
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                    - In general, yes ... Only we are used to the fact that our state is unitary, and the division into autonomy (republics) is more than conditional ...
                    - But it’s worth considering whether we have at least something left that will encourage the population to protest in the same way ... What should we try to squeeze from us in order to cause such unrest? recourse
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                      Quote: saygon66
                      Only we are used to the fact that our state is unitary, and the division into autonomy (republics) is more than conditional ...

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                      Yes, there is no genuine federalism. I myself, as it were, adhere to republican views (the state is the business of the people), where power should go from below and delegate up. And here, on the contrary, people are waiting for the patronage of the state, and it regularly has them. And apparently, such a social and legal culture (or rather social nihilism) cannot move people to active protest. In general, it is necessary to change consciousness.
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    Again another wave, for the free sale of weapons in Russia?
    I am categorically against .. the USA is not Russia, there is a country of emigrants and their patriotism is only external ... hi
    Today here, tomorrow there ....
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      The cognitive dissonance...
  43. Moon 23 January 2020 22: 58 New
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    the creation of “safe zones” in cities where entry with weapons for civilians will be prohibited in principle.

    in such zones people can be shot with impunity (and laws will not help "not to acquire" weapons for this, because they will get it).
    Vivid examples of executions in schools. This is a safe area without the right to carry weapons to staff (teachers and staff). No one can interfere with the friganzone.
    In 33 cases out of 41 guns, it was firearms.

    A wonderful illustration of animal fear for manipulating a decision.
    Pans and knives kill much more.
    Cars even more!
    Kills a man, not a weapon. And the presence of weapons at all guarantees that the "shooter" will be laid much earlier than the police will do it. (When they kill then call)
    In general, the anti-arms lobby wants to make the United States unarmed. Violate the Constitution.
    True, it will not be easy. The most armed nation on Earth traditionally loves weapons. And the Constitution guaranteed them that.
    And statistics show that an armed nation is better than an unarmed one. Although there are cases of crazy shooters. But they should not serve as a weapon to disarm everyone.
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    Obviously, those are right who, as one of the basic principles of "advanced democracy," call the possibility of everyone who professes to freely go to hell their own way. The Americans seem to have chosen their own.

    Judging by the words of our president, only we have the chance to go to heaven.

    And here I read that the mortality from all criminal causes in the United States (including the unauthorized use of weapons) is lower than in Russia. Are they lying?
  45. saygon66 24 January 2020 16: 33 New
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    - Demo video:

    - There are many fewer people with weapons than armed ones ...
  46. Tank jacket 24 January 2020 16: 42 New
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    On the man is a costume Guerrilla guerrilla from sso. Autumn colors.
  47. 1536 25 January 2020 21: 51 New
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    It is not clear why US citizens should hand over weapons to the authorities or feel some restrictions when buying them? And no one is afraid of separatism in the US government. They know what to do in this case. Recall that in 1997 they dealt with the separatists from the "Republic of Texas" who raised their heads: their headquarters were smashed or bombed from a helicopter by incendiary bombs, some were simply shot, others were given 100-year sentences. "Innocent", of course, released, fined with thousands of fines, after all, "democracy."
    In my opinion, the Americans are simply afraid that at first they will be taken away their right to own weapons, then a parking place, then private property, and then they will dictate what to do and what to do, they will arrange party meetings and political information. Everything goes to that.