China accuses US intelligence agencies of attempting to seize Motor Sich technical documentation before deal


The Chinese press is discussing the systematic modernization of the 5th generation fighter J-20. The Sohu portal notes the particular interest that the American side has shown in this modernization. It is reminded that the Americans at one of their air bases are trying to find out the exact performance characteristics of the new-generation Chinese aircraft, using the information obtained by the intelligence and the first versions of their F-35 as a kind of imitation of the J-20.


Sohu quotes from one of the American television channels, where the other day the possibilities of Chinese fighter aircraft were discussed:

If the technical obstacles to the development of fighter jets are overcome, China will be able to produce advanced new generation aircraft at the local level, using its own or borrowed technologies.

In China, commenting on this statement, they note that the United States is not profitable for the emergence of "a major competitor in the field of military aircraft manufacturing." Therefore, it is alleged that the United States is taking and will continue to take various measures in order to create difficulties in China with its own production base, for example, to create the latest aircraft engines.

As an example, China cites US attempts to thwart a deal to buy two Chinese companies a controlling stake in Ukrainian Motor Sich.

At the same time, an interesting version appears that if the sale of the Ukrainian manufacturer of engines for aviation If the technology takes place, then developments (drawings, R&D data, long-term plans) may “not fully reach China, primarily due to US opposition”. Hint that the American intelligence services can already actively work on the same "Motor Sich", so as not to give the opportunity for Ukraine to transfer all the most important developments on aircraft engines to China. In other words, American intelligence agencies are accused of trying to seize the technical documentation of a Ukrainian company in China.

Earlier in the PRC, it was noted that the purchase of Motor Sich would bring Chinese aircraft engine manufacturing to a new level.
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  1. Orkraider 19 January 2020 11: 05 New
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    The US is not profitable the emergence of "a major competitor in the field of military aircraft manufacturing."


    Not only in the military and not only in the aircraft industry. Competitors everywhere are disadvantageous for them. Trade and corporate wars will intensify, the authorities, or rather “Lobists”, will intervene more and more.

    But US policy and his right to be strong can be observed, recently, everywhere. If fair competition is not in their favor, then sanctions are needed.
    1. Chaldon48 19 January 2020 11: 39 New
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      I wonder who where and when I saw fair competition. Maybe on Utopia.
      1. Ge⁣⁣⁣o 20 January 2020 01: 57 New
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        Quote: Chaldon48
        I wonder who where and when I saw fair competition. Maybe on Utopia

        There are always limits to which players act. What the United States is doing today is called lawlessness.
        Mayhem will not bring to good
        1. Lipchanin 20 January 2020 11: 21 New
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          Quote: Ge⁣⁣⁣o
          What the United States is doing today is called lawlessness.

          But are they different when they were doing? They destroyed the Indians according to "law and limits"?
          1. Chaldon48 20 January 2020 23: 27 New
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            To begin with, almost the entire US population is the descendants of bandits, and among them there are plenty of those who have not yet been “tied up,” many live on the capital obtained by “overwork” by their parents, and the bandits live, as you know, not according to the laws, but by concepts. The Constitution is used as a kind of decoration, well, so that there is something to put your hand on the new president during your foreign time.
    2. Zoldat_A 19 January 2020 11: 45 New
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      Quote: Orkraider
      But US policy and his right to be strong can be observed, recently, everywhere. If fair competition is not in their favor, then sanctions are needed.

      It did not start yesterday or even the day before yesterday.

      At the dawn of the formation of the United States, “free competition” with the indigenous population came down to scalping (it was the “civilized” Europeans who came up with scalping as evidence of the killing of the red skin to provide them with a kind of check) and distributing blankets infected with plague.

      An “honest deal,” according to the “world democrats,” is to buy Manhattan for a handful of beads ...
      1. Lipchanin 20 January 2020 11: 24 New
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        "Fair Deal," according to "global democrats" -

        This is who "Colt" quickly pulled out of a holster
    3. Thrifty 19 January 2020 12: 42 New
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      The United States, most likely, the Chinese will slip linden documentation in order to slow down Chinese research and work on promising engines. ..
    4. ydjin 19 January 2020 14: 15 New
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      While only China puffs out only cheeks, the documentation is not the possession of technology.
    5. 1959ain 19 January 2020 15: 10 New
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      It’s profitable for Russia, otherwise they’ll stop buying in Russia drinks engines
      1. MstislavHrabr 19 January 2020 17: 44 New
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        It is beneficial for Russia to have this documentation with us, and not in the USA or China ...
        1. bk316 20 January 2020 15: 42 New
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          It is beneficial for Russia to have this documentation with us, and

          Do you think we don’t have it?
    6. TermNachTer 19 January 2020 17: 03 New
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      I don’t understand why such a cheese is boron? Firstly, Motor does not produce engines for military aircraft, only training and UBS. Secondly, the engines are made of old designs, TV 3 - 117, generally under the Leningrad license. Yes, he was "played a prank", but before TV 7 - 117, he is very far away. AI - 322, this is an upgrade of the old 222 engine. D - 18 has not been produced for a long time, during the repair they will be redesigned into the next series. The new AI - 450, 500, MS - 14 engines are everything for easy aviation. How can this help China in creating an engine for the 5th generation fighter? I'm not talking about such prosaic things - the people scatter, some to Russia, some to Poland. Retirees and pet workers work, skills transfer comes to naught. Salaries were cut, some of the workers were transferred to a four-day period, the social system was eliminated.
      1. 1959ain 19 January 2020 18: 45 New
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        In the 90s, our specialists all blurted out who for coffee, who for grants from Soros. Grant of Soros, the Academy of Sciences believed that life was a success. They were smarter, for example, Young, I don’t remember the last name, but that related to recognition and fonts, they left for the USA, they patented developments and made firms and then managed to sell these firms millions of dollars. So all the little-minded smart ones are already in the USA, and work against us .Even F-35 is said by our development and Ukrainian. But China did not have time and came to a hat analysis. This laughter there is electronics for airplanes, they laugh at the electronics of our latest MIG-35 and there are no gimmicks. Motor SICH produced engines for the Yak-130, B-200, and these are modern gimmicks and they have passed certification in Europe, and now we have to to put narrow francs. So there is something to steal and these old people about whom you are talking about the most valuable goods, machine guns began to be wedged at one factory, it turns out they were produced at the time when one worker who was ill at that time was like a technologist and an old worker experience is also a trump card. Chinese and Korean when we had Buza, 90 loved to take pictures at our factories honor roll
        1. Astronaut 19 January 2020 20: 56 New
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          If you can’t learn Russian, at least use Google ..
        2. TermNachTer 20 January 2020 00: 48 New
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          On the Yak - 130, as well as on the Chinese L - 15, there is already not a very new AI - 222 - F 25. Now AI - 322 is "blinded" on its base, but by and large, there is nothing new there. On the Be-200 there is a marine modification AI - 436, which is a derivative of the D - 36. Neither one nor the other are 5th generation fighters.
        3. Zhevlonenko 20 January 2020 13: 24 New
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          The fact that it is certified does not mean that it is new and breakthrough, it simply means that it is safe ... D436 by modern standards is far from a new engine created on the basis of D36 in my opinion, Russia has technology, there are no production capacities, everything depends on in the creation of a plant, production line, etc.
          1. 1959ain 20 January 2020 13: 26 New
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            Quote: Zhevlonenko
            D436, according to modern serks, is far from a new engine, Russia has technologies, there are no capacities for production, everything depends on the creation of a plant, a production line, etc.
            And there is a license and it is certified
  2. Same lech 19 January 2020 11: 05 New
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    I’m shocked ... one foreign intelligence service is stealing information from another foreign intelligence service on the territory of Ukraine ... Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free.
    1. Pereira 19 January 2020 11: 09 New
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      Why is he stealing? Perhaps the watchman was paid. Therefore - bought.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 January 2020 12: 41 New
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        Yeah. Quietly with ... this, and dumped, called "bought."
      2. Looking for 19 January 2020 14: 51 New
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        why pay. if from Kiev the order is to give free to the American "owners"
    2. Orkraider 19 January 2020 11: 13 New
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      Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free give.

      Passing yard, drag what you like lol )))) well said))
      But the only thing here is that the Chinese have not stolen, but are honestly buying, albeit for a song, but .. their position is more justified than the American.

      Although, personally, I would not want documentation to go to China. Here I am sick, for the USA laughing
      1. Shurik70 19 January 2020 11: 23 New
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        Quote: Orkraider

        Although, personally, I would not want documentation to go to China. Here I am sick, for the USA laughing

        If the United States steals, then the United States and China will.
        So do not get sick.
        In general, I am surprised that the United States is only now concerned about this theft. I thought that the main achievements were stolen / bought up in Ukraine for a long time.
        1. neri73-r 19 January 2020 11: 30 New
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          All that is in Ukraine, the Anglo-Saxons have their own, but not yet the Chinese.
      2. 1959ain 19 January 2020 15: 14 New
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        The documentation is not all, there are people. I remember in the 90s, the Chinese and Koreans bought up simple working workers of production. For them, the honor board at the SOVIET factories was a tidbit winked
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    4. Zoldat_A 19 January 2020 11: 51 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free give.

      Reminds me of our 90s situation. But there are two points.

      First, we somehow wiser and therefore "suddenly" became bad for America. Hopes that Ukraine will grow wiser so far even in the wildest drunken dreams are not observed.
      Secondly, what is Ukraine trading with? What did you create? Not! She distributes for cookies what was created by ALL the Soviet Union. That is, only the fact that she managed to bite while sharing a common pie.
      1. bk316 20 January 2020 15: 45 New
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        Secondly, what is Ukraine trading with? What did you create? No!

        So in the 90s, we also traded in the Soviet legacy, purely humanly these are 2 sides of the coin, it’s not a pity to get what you got for free and sell for nothing, you’ll keep what you yourself do.
        1. Zoldat_A 20 January 2020 18: 01 New
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          So in the 90s, we also traded in the Soviet legacy, purely humanly these are 2 sides of the coin, it’s not a pity to get what you got for free and sell for nothing, you’ll keep what you yourself do.

          All this is correct, BUT!
          Ours, those who managed to get hold of it, sold their own, Russian. Because we got it de facto along with the debts of the Soviet Union. Therefore, Russia and the heir to the USSR - both property and debts. And Ukraine, what it has not yet sold out for today, what it just got according to the geographical principle (not to transport DneproGES to the Volga!) - it considers all this to be its sovereign, built by Ukraine. At the same time forgetting that the so-called "Ukrainian industry" was created by the WHOLE Soviet Union.

          And this example is not unique.

          For many years Kazakhstan considered the city of Leninsk to be its own, Kazakh. Over the years, they defeated, plundered everything that is possible - in the "sovereign Kazakh city" Baikonyr. And how many thousands of Russians were just kicked out of there? And in Soviet times, they were not allowed into the barrier city without a permit - a regime city. Okay, even now he's under joint management. BUT! The Baikonur launch complex is considered Kazakh and Russia pays for the rental. And what does sovereign Kazakhstan have to Baikonur ???? Two Kazakh drivers brought three concrete dump trucks to the site?

          And the Baltic states? Before the "Soviet occupation", an industrial enterprise was considered an enterprise in which there was a boat engine and three hired workers. Soviet factories (the same WEF and RAF) are in ruins, and ports are without work in the expectation that shipping is about to "trample" and no one in the world and Europe can do without them. But their own, "sovereign" ports ...

          Well, at least, the Caucasus and Central Asia are silent about the "sovereign" industry. They quietly returned to the 19th century, to ketmen, bays and abreks - and in the figs are these plants? ....

          And again I repeat - the whole country built, divided into all, and Russia took and paid debts for all. Look at what we (and not only here - around the world) say in the legislation about inheritance - if you receive an inheritance, be kind and receive the debts associated with it. Do you want debts? There will be no inheritance. It’s good when the inheritance is more debt ...

          So OWN (in relation to the country, and not to privatizing thieves) was sold in the 90s only by Russian thieves. And Ukraine trades in GENERAL (at best), if not ALIEN.
          1. bk316 20 January 2020 18: 12 New
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            So OWN (in relation to the country, and not to privatizing thieves) was sold in the 90s only by Russian thieves. And Ukraine trades in GENERAL (at best), if not ALIEN.

            Convinced.
    5. orionvitt 19 January 2020 15: 00 New
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      drag whatever you want for free

      The Americans caught on late. All that was possible from the documentation was sold to the Chinese long before the Maidan. Just now, the Chinese are picking up cheaply what is bad and Ukraine doesn’t need to. But America and Ukraine are like dogs in the manger. And they themselves do not eat and do not give others. By purchasing Motor Sich, China wants to give some legitimacy to its achievements, although I don’t know why they need it. They always spit on patent law and intellectual property. And scandals with the secret sale of documentation (both repair and assembly), on the "motor", regularly occurred since the beginning of the 2000s. People with access to it (the authorities) have long been fussed. So the current fuss around "Motor Sich" is exclusively political in nature.
    6. TermNachTer 19 January 2020 17: 04 New
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      This is not even a passage yard. This is a "giveaway" giveaway.
  3. Kerensky 19 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    the purchase of Motor Sich will bring Chinese aircraft engine manufacturing to a new level.

    Exactly! Because in order to acquire
    operating time (drawings, R&D data, long-term plans)

    just buy the "right person".
  4. Avior 19 January 2020 11: 10 New
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    . US is not profitable the emergence of "a major competitor in the field of military aircraft"

    Far from China to the Russian or American aircraft industry, especially combat.
    1. Ingvar 72 19 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      Far from China to the Russian or American aircraft industry,

      Already not very far. Catch up at a decent pace.
      1. Avior 19 January 2020 12: 22 New
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        In terms of engines, it’s not very good, especially in terms of resource and power
        It is, of course, with current trends, it is a matter of time, but it is still clearly lagging behind, in my opinion
      2. hydrox 19 January 2020 12: 38 New
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        Yes, they are trying to catch up, but for the most critical products they use either Russian or American engines without the possibility of repetition due to technological lag.
        Therefore, even the Su-27 was bought from us with a pair of spare engines, then this habit took root.
      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 January 2020 12: 47 New
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        What exactly, in quantity? So far surpassed, probably. But is this an indicator?
        And if you answer: “Sooner or later, in a qualitative aspect, they will catch up and overtake”, then eventually, sooner or later, anything will happen.
        Remember the story of the monkey. If she will hammer on the keyboard long enough, then in the end she will write “War and Peace”.
    2. Naughty 19 January 2020 13: 27 New
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      Firstly, the Chinese Motor Sich nafig not needed. They will take to quiet all the equipment that has not yet been sold in quiet Russia. Ukrainians will give them drawings as much as you want)))) But they won’t succeed. Then the Chinese, under the pretext of modernization, will destroy everything there and go bankrupt. Think for yourself the Chinese factory in Ukraine7 They need the equipment of this factory and specialists But in China. Ukrainians perceived it quickly They will divorce the Chinese how to give a drink well, and in deed At least they will do something useful))))
  5. Ham
    Ham 19 January 2020 11: 15 New
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    tear ukruinu into pieces already nothing and without embarrassment ...
    flag in hand and a drum on the neck ...
    1. rich 19 January 2020 17: 10 New
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      tear ukruinu into pieces already nothing and without embarrassment ...
      flag in hand and a drum on the neck ...

      rather a flag in hand and a stone on the neck
  6. Victor March 47 19 January 2020 11: 19 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    I’m shocked ... one foreign intelligence service is stealing information from another foreign intelligence service on the territory of Ukraine ... Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free.

    Why steal? When you can call on the carpet the management of the enterprise, or even the president of the country and, having rolled an enema, force not to transfer the main documents, allowing, for the solidity of the transaction, to give wrappers, on the basis of which the airplane engine turns ..... turns ....
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  8. Eug
    Eug 19 January 2020 11: 29 New
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    The leakage of metallurgical technologies (special alloys) to China is fraught with both the USA and Russia ... in terms of the resource of parts, China has major problems.
    1. stepka_razin 19 January 2020 12: 18 New
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      I didn’t know that the USA and the Russian Federation were allies against China, well, they won’t do cheers, just to stop the "bloody" communism ...
      1. AU Ivanov. 19 January 2020 16: 03 New
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        In China, one name is left of "communism". And yes - when China becomes the number one power, Russia and the United States, if you want to, if you don’t want to, they will end up in one trench.
        1. stepka_razin 19 January 2020 17: 28 New
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          Well, it’s clear how in the 90’s the world, friendship, chewing gum with the United States, if only against hated China. Which bastard not only does not impose sanctions, it also buys gas, and such a lousy one for the defense of the Russian Federation decides engines and electronics.
          PS I wonder why the "cheers" of the patriots of this site, so similar to the US patriots request
  9. knn54 19 January 2020 11: 34 New
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    The Yankees may refuse another loan or apply sanctions.
  10. nm76 19 January 2020 11: 42 New
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    And how are things with the engine industry?
    It might make sense not to observe from the side, but to take certain steps in this direction, I’m not only talking about air, but also ship installations.
  11. Cottodraton 19 January 2020 11: 50 New
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    To divide the industry of a foreign country, and even squabble for someone else's (colonial) arrange. This I understand, democracy and freedom, in all its splendor))). To lose industry, to hand it over for 3 kopecks, to the evil of “wicked sushidam” ... Wow!
    It remains in their own wretchedness and inability to manage their heritage to blame "mokshnya and Tatarva", which are "Muscovites".
    Damn, I hope when they all add up to it, then they will not give them citizenship of the Russian Federation, because they are headless and incapable.
    1. maden.usmanow 19 January 2020 13: 49 New
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      What kind of democracy and freedom are there in China?
  12. askort154 19 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    Hint that the American intelligence services can already actively work on the same "Motor Sich", so as not to give the opportunity for Ukraine to transfer all the most important developments on aircraft engines to China. In other words, in China, American intelligence agencies are accused of trying to seize the technical documentation of the Ukrainian company.

    While you were sitting on the banks of the Dnieper River, in anticipation of whose corpse floated, the US CIA climbed head over heels in Ukraine. Now there, the Ukrainian-cool Ukrainian cannot kill a pig without their knowledge. yes
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  14. akarfoxhound 19 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    In this situation, you don’t know who to root for. The Chinese who have mastered engine building are not gut for Russia
    1. Livonetc 19 January 2020 13: 27 New
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      It will happen anyway, sooner or later.
      China is really one of the world leaders.
      We must systematically develop our own.
      Then competition will only be an incentive.
  15. cniza 19 January 2020 13: 58 New
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    In other words, in China, American intelligence agencies are accused of trying to seize the technical documentation of the Ukrainian company.


    That will be so.
  16. orionvitt 19 January 2020 15: 37 New
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    In the photo to the article, to put it mildly, not true. Not a single minder will enter the box of the test bench when the engine is on gas, especially on afterburner. Also in a T-shirt. There are true cases when it is necessary to check something directly on the engine during operation, but then the engine is taken to the idle mode. And then the noise level is more than 140 decibels, at the level of a pain threshold, even with headphones there is not much pleasant.
  17. Ros 56 19 January 2020 18: 21 New
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    Interesting things, the Chinese and striped for Motor Sich are biting, but no one asks Ukrainians, as if they did not exist, so the rams brought the country.
  18. lvov_aleksey 19 January 2020 20: 19 New
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    kindergarten that you can already bought or sold in third countries
  19. Victor March 47 19 January 2020 23: 12 New
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    Quote: Astronaut
    If you can’t learn Russian, at least use Google ..

    A free Orfo-9 program is hanging out on the Internet. Highly emphasizes errors in any test document.
  20. Victor March 47 19 January 2020 23: 15 New
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    Quote: Ros 56
    Interesting things, the Chinese and striped for Motor Sich are biting, but no one asks Ukrainians, as if they did not exist, so the rams brought the country.

    No one is biting because of Sich. Americans do not want to become a competitor. So they put sticks in the wheels. And to take for themselves what they have for many years already - why? Someone else is always dangerous to take. Problems with other materials, technologies, standards ..... Master the metric system? Yes, they have not a single machine there. Etc....
  21. Victor March 47 19 January 2020 23: 22 New
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    Quote: nm76
    And how are things with the engine industry?
    It might make sense not to observe from the side, but to take certain steps in this direction, I’m not only talking about air, but also ship installations.

    Do you know that NOTHING is being done? Where does this knowledge come from? Can you even imagine what a turbine is? And what does it take to make it? Hundreds of factories to raise, long fallen, and not at the old Soviet level, but at the modern one. And this, despite the complete ban on the sale of first-class equipment to us. Where to begin? From the production of turbines, or from the production of equipment for the production of turbines? Or maybe start with steps much more distant?
  22. LeonidL 20 January 2020 05: 47 New
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    Cool conceived! Sale of concrete debris and a rusty machine park without brains and papers!