China accuses US intelligence agencies of attempting to seize Motor Sich technical documentation before deal

The Chinese press is discussing the systematic modernization of the 5th generation fighter J-20. The Sohu portal notes the particular interest that the American side has shown in this modernization. It is reminded that the Americans at one of their air bases are trying to find out the exact performance characteristics of the new-generation Chinese aircraft, using the information obtained by the intelligence and the first versions of their F-35 as a kind of imitation of the J-20.

Sohu quotes from one of the American television channels, where the other day the possibilities of Chinese fighter aircraft were discussed:

If the technical obstacles to the development of fighter jets are overcome, China will be able to produce advanced new generation aircraft at the local level, using its own or borrowed technologies.

In China, commenting on this statement, they note that the United States is not profitable for the emergence of "a major competitor in the field of military aircraft manufacturing." Therefore, it is alleged that the United States is taking and will continue to take various measures in order to create difficulties in China with its own production base, for example, to create the latest aircraft engines.

As an example, China cites US attempts to thwart a deal to buy two Chinese companies a controlling stake in Ukrainian Motor Sich.

At the same time, an interesting version appears that if the sale of the Ukrainian manufacturer of engines for aviation If the technology takes place, then developments (drawings, R&D data, long-term plans) may “not fully reach China, primarily due to US opposition”. Hint that the American intelligence services can already actively work on the same "Motor Sich", so as not to give the opportunity for Ukraine to transfer all the most important developments on aircraft engines to China. In other words, American intelligence agencies are accused of trying to seize the technical documentation of a Ukrainian company in China.

Earlier in the PRC, it was noted that the purchase of Motor Sich would bring Chinese aircraft engine manufacturing to a new level.

Comments

[Orkraider]

The US is not profitable the emergence of "a major competitor in the field of military aircraft manufacturing."

Not only in the military and not only in the aircraft industry. Competitors everywhere are disadvantageous for them. Trade and corporate wars will intensify, the authorities, or rather “Lobists”, will intervene more and more.

But US policy and his right to be strong can be observed, recently, everywhere. If fair competition is not in their favor, then sanctions are needed.

[Chaldon48]

I wonder who where and when I saw fair competition. Maybe on Utopia.

[Ge⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: Chaldon48

I wonder who where and when I saw fair competition. Maybe on Utopia

There are always limits to which players act. What the United States is doing today is called lawlessness.
Mayhem will not bring to good

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ge⁣⁣⁣o

What the United States is doing today is called lawlessness.

Was it different when they were engaged? Did they destroy the Indians "by law and limits"?

[Chaldon48]

Let's start with the fact that almost the entire population of the United States is the descendants of bandits, and among them there are a lot of those who have not yet "tied up", many live on the capital obtained by "back-breaking labor" by their parents, and the bandits live, as you know, not according to the laws. but by concepts. The Constitution is used as a kind of decoration, and so that the new president has something to put his hand on during the inauguration.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Orkraider

But US policy and his right to be strong can be observed, recently, everywhere. If fair competition is not in their favor, then sanctions are needed.

It did not start yesterday or even the day before yesterday.

At the dawn of the formation of the United States, "free competition" with the indigenous population was reduced to scalping (it was the "civilized" Europeans who invented scalping as evidence of the murder of a red man to provide them for payment in the form of a kind of check) and the distribution of plague-infected blankets.

The "fair deal", according to the "world democratizers", is to buy Manhattan for a handful of beads ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Zoldat_A

"Fair deal", according to the "world democratizers" -

This is who "Colt" will pull out of the holster faster

[Thrifty]

The United States, most likely, the Chinese will slip linden documentation in order to slow down Chinese research and work on promising engines. ..

[ydjin]

While only China puffs out only cheeks, the documentation is not the possession of technology.

[1959ain]

It’s profitable for Russia, otherwise they’ll stop buying in Russia engines

[MstislavHrabr]

It is beneficial for Russia to have this documentation with us, and not in the USA or China ...

[bk316]

It is beneficial for Russia to have this documentation with us, and

Do you think we don’t have it?

[TermNachTer]

I don't understand why such cheese is boron? Firstly, "Motor" does not produce engines for combat aircraft, only training and UBS. Secondly, the engines are produced by old designs, TV 3 - 117, generally under the Leningrad license. Yes, he was "pissed off", but he is very far from TV 7 - 117. AI - 322, this is the modernization of the old 222 engine. D - 18 have not been produced for a long time, they will be re-profiled into the next series during repair. New AI engines - 450, 500, MS - 14 - all this is for light aviation. How can this help China build an engine for a 5th generation fighter? I'm not even talking about such prosaic things - the people scatter, some to Russia, some to Poland. Pensioners and professional workers are working, the transfer of skills is coming to naught. Salaries were cut, some of the workers were transferred to a four-day period, social programs were liquidated.

[1959ain]

In the 90s, our specialists blurted out everything for coffee who for Soros grants. Grant Soros, the Academy of Sciences believed that life was a success. For example, Young were smarter, I don’t remember the last name, but what is connected with recognition and fonts, they left for the USA, there they patented developments and made companies and then managed to sell these companies millions of dollars. So all the smallest smart ones are already in the USA, and are working against us Even the F-35, they say, is our development and Ukrainian. And China did not have time and came to a nodding analysis. This is a laugh; there is electronics for airplanes, they laugh at the electronics of our newest MIG-35, but there are no engines. "Motor" SICH produced engines for the Yak-130, B-200, and these are modern engines and they have passed certification in Europe, and now we have to So there is something to steal and these old people about whom you are talking are the most valuable goods, at one plant they began to wedge machines, it turns out that they were produced at a time when one worker who fell ill at that time, like a technologist and an old worker with experience is also a trump card. The Chinese and Koreans, when we had a booze, at 90 loved to photograph honor boards at our factories

[Astronaut]

If you can’t learn Russian, at least use Google ..

[TermNachTer]

On the Yak - 130, as well as on the Chinese L - 15, there is no longer a new AI - 222 - F 25. Now, on its basis, the AI ​​- 322 has been "blinded", but by and large, there is nothing new there. The Be - 200 has a naval modification AI - 436, which is a derivative of the D - 36. Neither one nor the other are fighters of the 5th generation.

[Zhevlonenko]

The fact that it is certified does not mean that it is new and breakthrough, it simply means that it is safe ... D436 by modern standards is far from a new engine created on the basis of D36 in my opinion, Russia has technology, there are no production capacities, everything depends on in the creation of a plant, production line, etc.

[1959ain]

Quote: Zhevlonenko

D436, according to modern serks, is far from a new engine, Russia has technologies, there are no capacities for production, everything depends on the creation of a plant, a production line, etc.

And there is a license and it is certified

[Same lech]

I’m shocked ... one foreign intelligence service is stealing information from another foreign intelligence service on the territory of Ukraine ... Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free.

[Pereira]

Why is he stealing? Perhaps the watchman was paid. Therefore - bought.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Yeah. Quiet with ... that's the most, and dumped, called "bought".

[Looking for]

and why pay. if an instruction from Kiev - give it free to American "owners"

[Orkraider]

Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free give.

Passing yard, drag what you like )))) well said))
But the only thing here is that the Chinese have not stolen, but are honestly buying, albeit for a song, but .. their position is more justified than the American.

Although, personally, I would not want documentation to go to China. Here I am sick, for the USA

[Shurik70]

Quote: Orkraider

Although, personally, I would not want documentation to go to China. Here I am sick, for the USA

If the United States steals, then the United States and China will.
So do not get sick.
In general, I am surprised that the United States is only now concerned about this theft. I thought that the main achievements were stolen / bought up in Ukraine for a long time.

[neri73-r]

All that is in Ukraine, the Anglo-Saxons have their own, but not yet the Chinese.

[1959ain]

The documentation is not all, there are people. I remember in the 90s, the Chinese and Koreans bought up simple working workers of production. For them, the honor board at the SOVIET factories was a tidbit

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free give.

Reminds me of our 90s situation. But there are two points.

First, we have grown wiser, at the very least, and therefore "suddenly" became bad for America. There is no hope that Ukraine will grow wiser so far, even in the wildest drunken dreams.
Secondly, what is Ukraine trading with? What did you create? Not! She distributes for cookies what was created by ALL the Soviet Union. That is, only the fact that she managed to bite while sharing a common pie.

[bk316]

Secondly, what is Ukraine trading with? What did you create? No!

So in the 90s, we also traded in the Soviet legacy, purely humanly these are 2 sides of the coin, it’s not a pity to get what you got for free and sell for nothing, you’ll keep what you yourself do.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: bk316

So in the 90s, we also traded in the Soviet legacy, purely humanly these are 2 sides of the coin, it’s not a pity to get what you got for free and sell for nothing, you’ll keep what you yourself do.

All this is correct, BUT!
Ours, those who managed to fall, sold their own, Russian. Because we got it de facto together with the debts of the Soviet Union. That is why Russia is the rightful heir of the USSR - both property and debts. And Ukraine what it has not yet sold out, what it got just by geographic principle (do not transport the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station to the Volga!) - it considers all this to be its own, sovereign, built by Ukraine. At the same time forgetting that the so-called. "Ukrainian industry" was created by the ENTIRE Soviet Union.

And this example is not unique.

For many years Kazakhstan considered the city of Leninsk its own, Kazakh. Over the years, everything that was possible was destroyed and plundered there - in the "sovereign Kazakh city" of Baikonyr. And how many thousands of Russians were simply kicked out of there? And in Soviet times, they were not allowed to enter this regime city behind the barrier without a pass - a regime city. Okay, at least now he's under joint control. BUT! The Baikonur launch complex is considered Kazakh and Russia pays the rent. And what does sovereign Kazakhstan have to do with Baikonur ???? Have two Kazakh drivers brought three dump trucks of concrete to the site?

And the Baltics? Before the "Soviet occupation", an industrial enterprise was considered to be an enterprise that had a boat motor and three hired workers. Soviet factories (the same VEF and RAF) are in ruins, and the ports are idle, expecting that shipping is about to trample on and no one in the world and Europe can do without them. But their own, "sovereign" ports ...

Well, at least the Caucasus and Central Asia are silent about "sovereign" industry. They calmly returned to the 19th century, to the ketmen, bays and abreks - and what do they need these factories for? ...

And again I repeat - the whole country built, divided into all, and Russia took and paid debts for all. Look at what we (and not only here - around the world) say in the legislation about inheritance - if you receive an inheritance, be kind and receive the debts associated with it. Do you want debts? There will be no inheritance. It’s good when the inheritance is more debt ...

So OWN (in relation to the country, and not to privatizing thieves) was sold in the 90s only by Russian thieves. And Ukraine trades in GENERAL (at best), if not ALIEN.

[bk316]

So OWN (in relation to the country, and not to privatizing thieves) was sold in the 90s only by Russian thieves. And Ukraine trades in GENERAL (at best), if not ALIEN.

Convinced.

[orionvitt]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

drag whatever you want for free

The Americans realized it late. All that was possible from the documentation was sold to the Chinese long before the Maidan. It's just that now, the Chinese are picking up for cheap what is bad and Ukraine does not need nafig. But America and Ukraine are like dogs in the manger. And they themselves do not eat and do not give to others. By purchasing Motor Sich, China wants to give some kind of legitimacy to its developments, although I don't know why they need it. They have always spit on patent law and intellectual property. And scandals with the secret sale of documentation (both repair and assembly), on the "motor", have arisen regularly since the early 2000s. People who have access to it (bosses) have long been in a hurry. So the current fuss over Motor Sich is purely political in nature.

[TermNachTer]

It's not even a walk-through yard. It's an occasional giveaway.

[Kerensky]

the purchase of Motor Sich will bring Chinese aircraft engine manufacturing to a new level.

Exactly! Because in order to acquire

operating time (drawings, R&D data, long-term plans)

just buy the "right person".

[Avior]

. US is not profitable the emergence of "a major competitor in the field of military aircraft"

Far from China to the Russian or American aircraft industry, especially combat.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Avior

Far from China to the Russian or American aircraft industry,

Already not very far. Catch up at a decent pace.

[Avior]

In terms of engines, it’s not very good, especially in terms of resource and power
It is, of course, with current trends, it is a matter of time, but it is still clearly lagging behind, in my opinion

[hydrox]

Yes, they are trying to catch up, but for the most critical products they use either Russian or American engines without the possibility of repetition due to technological lag.
Therefore, even the Su-27 was bought from us with a pair of spare engines, then this habit took root.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

What exactly, in quantity? So far surpassed, probably. But is this an indicator?
And if you answer: "Sooner or later, and in a qualitative aspect, they will catch up and overtake," then over time, sooner or later, anything will happen.
Remember the story of the monkey. If she pounded on the keyboard long enough, she would eventually write "War and Peace."

[Naughty]

Firstly, the Chinese Motor Sich nafig not needed. They will take to quiet all the equipment that has not yet been sold in quiet Russia. Ukrainians will give them drawings as much as you want)))) But they won’t succeed. Then the Chinese, under the pretext of modernization, will destroy everything there and go bankrupt. Think for yourself the Chinese factory in Ukraine7 They need the equipment of this factory and specialists But in China. Ukrainians perceived it quickly They will divorce the Chinese how to give a drink well, and in deed At least they will do something useful))))

[Ham]

tear ukruinu into pieces already nothing and without embarrassment ...
flag in hand and a drum on the neck ...

[cost]

tear ukruinu into pieces already nothing and without embarrassment ...
flag in hand and a drum on the neck ...

rather a flag in hand and a stone on the neck

[Victor March 47]

Quote: The same Lech

I’m shocked ... one foreign intelligence service is stealing information from another foreign intelligence service on the territory of Ukraine ... Ukraine has become a passage yard ... drag what you want for free.

Why steal? When you can call on the carpet the management of the enterprise, or even the president of the country and, having rolled an enema, force not to transfer the main documents, allowing, for the solidity of the transaction, to give wrappers, on the basis of which the airplane engine turns ..... turns ....

[Eug]

The leakage of metallurgical technologies (special alloys) to China is fraught with both the USA and Russia ... in terms of the resource of parts, China has major problems.

[stepka_razin]

I didn’t know that the United States and Russia were allies against China, well, they won’t do anything to stop "bloody" communism ...

[AU Ivanov.]

In China, only one name remained of "communism". And yes - when China becomes the number one power, Russia and the United States, like it or not, will find themselves in the same trench.

[stepka_razin]

Well, it’s clear how in the 90’s the world, friendship, chewing gum with the United States, if only against hated China. Which bastard not only does not impose sanctions, it also buys gas, and such a lousy one for the defense of the Russian Federation decides engines and electronics.
PS I wonder why "hurray" the patriots of this site are so similar to the US patriots

[knn54]

The Yankees may refuse another loan or apply sanctions.

[nm76]

And how are things with the engine industry?
It might make sense not to observe from the side, but to take certain steps in this direction, I’m not only talking about air, but also ship installations.

[Cottodraton]

Divide the industry of a foreign country, and even bicker for someone else's (colonial) to arrange. That's what I understand, democracy and freedom, in all its splendor))). To lose the industry, hand it over for 3 kopecks, to evil "evil susid" ... Wow!
Remained in their own wretchedness and inability to manage their heritage to blame "Moksha and Tatarva", which are "Muscovites".
Damn, I hope when they all add up to it, then they will not give them citizenship of the Russian Federation, because they are headless and incapable.

[maden.usmanow]

What kind of democracy and freedom are there in China?

[askort154]

Hint that the American intelligence services can already actively work on the same "Motor Sich", so as not to give the opportunity for Ukraine to transfer all the most important developments on aircraft engines to China. In other words, in China, American intelligence agencies are accused of trying to seize the technical documentation of the Ukrainian company.

While you were sitting on the banks of the Dnieper River, in anticipation of whose corpse floated, the US CIA climbed head over heels in Ukraine. Now there, the Ukrainian-cool Ukrainian cannot kill a pig without their knowledge.

[akarfoxhound]

In this situation, you don't even know who to "root for". The Chinese who mastered engine building are not gut for Russia

[Livonetc]

It will happen anyway, sooner or later.
China is really one of the world leaders.
We must systematically develop our own.
Then competition will only be an incentive.

[cniza]

In other words, in China, American intelligence agencies are accused of trying to seize the technical documentation of the Ukrainian company.

That will be so.

[orionvitt]

In the photo to the article, to put it mildly, not true. Not a single minder will enter the box of the test bench when the engine is on gas, especially on afterburner. Also in a T-shirt. There are true cases when it is necessary to check something directly on the engine during operation, but then the engine is taken to the idle mode. And then the noise level is more than 140 decibels, at the level of a pain threshold, even with headphones there is not much pleasant.

[Ros 56]

Interesting things, the Chinese and striped for Motor Sich are biting, but no one asks Ukrainians, as if they did not exist, so the rams brought the country.

[lvov_aleksey]

kindergarten that you can already bought or sold in third countries

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Astronaut

If you can’t learn Russian, at least use Google ..

A free Orfo-9 program is hanging out on the Internet. Highly emphasizes errors in any test document.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Ros 56

Interesting things, the Chinese and striped for Motor Sich are biting, but no one asks Ukrainians, as if they did not exist, so the rams brought the country.

No one is biting because of Sich. Americans do not want to become a competitor. So they put sticks in the wheels. And to take for themselves what they have for many years already - why? Someone else is always dangerous to take. Problems with other materials, technologies, standards ..... Master the metric system? Yes, they have not a single machine there. Etc....

[Victor March 47]

Quote: nm76

And how are things with the engine industry?
It might make sense not to observe from the side, but to take certain steps in this direction, I’m not only talking about air, but also ship installations.

Do you know that NOTHING is being done? Where does this knowledge come from? Can you even imagine what a turbine is? And what does it take to make it? Hundreds of factories to raise, long fallen, and not at the old Soviet level, but at the modern one. And this, despite the complete ban on the sale of first-class equipment to us. Where to begin? From the production of turbines, or from the production of equipment for the production of turbines? Or maybe start with steps much more distant?

[LeonidL]

Cool conceived! Sale of concrete debris and a rusty machine park without brains and papers!