Chinese Sohu: After the fall of the Su-57, its export to China is completely blocked

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The Chinese media continue to discuss the situation that arose after the fall of the fifth-generation Russian fighter at the time of the acceptance tests. Recall that the pilot lost control of the Su-57, the fighter at an altitude of about 8 km went into a tailspin, the test pilot attempted to put the machine into a controlled state, but he did not succeed. As a result, the pilot ejected, the car crashed in the Komsomolsk-on-Amur region and, after a collision with the ground, it burned down almost completely.

In Chinese Sohu, they write about this:



Recently, according to media reports, Russia has been considering the possibility of selling the Su-57 to China. Russia needs a currency for further work on the project. This possibility was also considered in China - in the format of the purchase of a limited batch of several cars. But then China decided to focus on the modernization of its 5th generation fighter J-20. And after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.

At the same time, the military section of the Chinese resource notes that "Russia is not going to give up." In particular, it is said that the manufacturer is engaged in improving the engine - to obtain an effective power plant of the "second stage".

From material to Sohu:

Russia could export not Su-57 itself, but its technology aviation engines used in its creation. This is beneficial for China.

The material recalls that at one time India stopped participating in the joint program for the development of the fifth generation fighter. The author asks whether Russia has drawn conclusions from this step of India or not.
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  1. +39
    14 January 2020 08: 07
    Quote: Military Review * News
    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.

    Do not wait. It is not profitable for us, Russia!
    1. +17
      14 January 2020 08: 11
      Quote: Mersi
      It is beneficial for China.
      What a sweet immediacy. )))
      1. +2
        14 January 2020 08: 23
        Quote: Mersi (Mersi)
        Quote: Military Review * News

        Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.

        Do not wait. It is not profitable for us, Russia!

        Vladimir_2U, you were mistaken in your comment. This is a quote from the VO news section, not mine!
        1. -2
          14 January 2020 08: 31
          Everything is fine, the Chinese are reading too. )))
          1. -1
            14 January 2020 11: 30
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Everything is fine, the Chinese are reading too. )))

            What a cute stupid thing smile
            1. +3
              14 January 2020 13: 19
              And after several crashes of the Boeing 737-MAX, they will not be blocked in China? )
    2. +24
      14 January 2020 08: 12
      Perhaps the export of this aircraft should generally be limited by 10 years. Our country needs it first of all, while others can wait in line.
      1. +2
        14 January 2020 08: 50
        bessmertniy (Victor)
        Perhaps the export of this aircraft should generally be limited by 10 years. Our country needs it first of all, while others can wait in line.
        The export option is always stripped down. Design bureaus and manufacturing plants also need to live like that, but where can I get orders if the Moscow Region was calving and calving, and as a result only 76 pieces were ordered ?!
        I believe that the Hindus abandoned the aircraft precisely because Russia did not give them the technology of new engines, however, I could be wrong. But, in any case, the Indians primarily want technology. Although in the case of the same T-90, this did not help them much. In addition to technology, you also need to have hands and preferably not curves, and besides hands something else.
        1. +8
          14 January 2020 09: 33
          MO calve-calve and in the end only 76 pieces ordered ?!

          Only 76 pieces? joke around. For Russia, 76 pieces is a serious order. Compare with the amount of SU-35 delivered in 10 years. 76 pieces is the opposite of a large long-term order for a decent batch.
          1. +2
            14 January 2020 09: 42
            I am not saying that this is a small order. I say that the MO was determined for a very long time to order it or not, and if so, how much to order. And the design bureau, like the factories, wants to eat daily, and not sometime in the future. At one time, Sukhoi only survived that Chinese and Indian orders, or forgotten already?
            1. +1
              14 January 2020 09: 50
              Unfortunately, what opportunities are there, and so they order. About 76 in general, Putin himself voiced the decision actually. And the Moscow Region has how much money it has at its disposal, so much it can spend, no more.
        2. +1
          14 January 2020 11: 06
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          The export option is always stripped down.

          Sure? Remember the Su-30 SM, which is the Russian version of the Su-30 MKI (modernized commercial Indian)
      2. -1
        14 January 2020 16: 12
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Perhaps the export of this aircraft should generally be limited by 10 years. Our country needs it first of all, while others can wait in line.

        Alas, they can wait, but here we are. Remind you of the history of the T-90? In order to bring the 57th to a good series and finished look, we need three cars and the same amount of money. Where to get the money from? To ask Kudrin and Chubais? The export of arms, after the oil industry and gas, is the most profitable part for the state. And the army does not essentially pay for itself in monetary terms. It protects us, but there is no profit from it, except for related technologies that can be used in civilian life.
        I really do not want the SU-57 for export, as well as Armata, but ... mark my word, there will be an export Armata and SU-57.
        1. 0
          15 January 2020 16: 03
          Quote: NEXUS
          The export of arms, after the oil industry and gas, is the most profitable part for the state.


          It has long been food.
    3. +3
      14 January 2020 11: 11
      Quote: Mersi
      Quote: Military Review * News
      Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.

      Do not wait. It is not profitable for us, Russia!

      But what really drove the SU-57 already in the series?
    4. 0
      14 January 2020 20: 38
      And what, the second stage engine has already been created in Russia?
      1. -1
        15 January 2020 17: 33
        Quote: vadim dok
        And what, the second stage engine has already been created in Russia?

        Back in 18 ...
    5. +1
      15 January 2020 00: 32
      Quote: Mersi
      It is not profitable for us, Russia!

      It was the Sun King Louis XIV who could say: "The State is Me!" It may not be profitable for Russia, but some of us sometimes bargain with something ...
    6. 0
      15 January 2020 08: 36
      After the fall of the Su-57, its export to China is completely blocked

      And thank God. I think they will ripen in 10 years, when we satiate our troops.
  2. +7
    14 January 2020 08: 07
    the fighter’s export route to China is completely blocked.
    maybe for the better: less the Chinese will know ...
  3. +7
    14 January 2020 08: 09
    Well, who would doubt that China sees itself as the heir to American positions in the world.
    1. +1
      14 January 2020 08: 32
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      sees himself as the heir

      Like a nephew?
      1. +1
        14 January 2020 08: 49
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Well, who would doubt that China sees itself as the heir to American positions in the world.


        I don’t think he wants to outline "his" area and will not climb further, but he will build others in his zone according to his own rules.
        1. +1
          14 January 2020 15: 53
          Quote: cniza


          I don’t think he wants to outline "his" area and will not climb further, but he will build others in his zone according to his own rules.


          Are you sure about China? Surely something, and the Chinese economic expansion is only following the planet, the military will soon be connected, it is not in vain that China is betting on the Navy and aircraft carriers, it is already eyeing Africa and South America, military bases will soon be launched, and for Europe and Asia, One belt - one way.
      2. +1
        14 January 2020 13: 07
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        sees himself as the heir

        Like a nephew?

        brother-in-law of the neighbor smile
  4. +10
    14 January 2020 08: 09
    Sometimes during trials, planes fall, and then they are trials ...
    1. +7
      14 January 2020 08: 32
      Quote: Qwertyarion
      Sometimes during trials, planes fall, and then they are trials ...

      ========
      good drinks You might think that in China military planes DO NOT fall !!! (They just don't "spread" much about it)!
  5. +8
    14 January 2020 08: 11
    The hedgehog was scared bare back. Trading is good, of course. But not at all costs.
    1. 0
      16 January 2020 03: 00
      Quote: Hagalaz
      The hedgehog was scared bare back. Trading is good, of course. But not at all costs.

      And what actually scared? So that they won’t buy a limited edition? That is, they will not buy a pair of machines for parsing and copying them? Yes, I am only for!
      1. +1
        16 January 2020 08: 02
        You absolutely precisely understood the essence of my comment.
  6. +10
    14 January 2020 08: 12
    Did someone offer something to China? And since when has Russia exported aircraft engine manufacturing technology to China? All the Chinese air forces are in fact still dependent on imports of finished engines from Russia.
  7. +8
    14 January 2020 08: 12
    He will eat, so who will give him.
  8. +2
    14 January 2020 08: 13
    And after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.

    Well, I don’t even know if this is good or bad ...
  9. +3
    14 January 2020 08: 13
    At the same time, the military section of the Chinese resource notes that "Russia is not going to give up."

    I see no reason to give up, in general. By the way, why the neighbors decided that such reasons could be at all is not clear. In general, work is ongoing, and we will see the result.
  10. -16
    14 January 2020 08: 16
    So China does not need him. They have their own flies for a long time and launched into a series. And by the way, it does not fall. If they were waiting for the Su-57 to buy, then even longer than we wait. Do they need it? They worry about the country's security.
    1. +9
      14 January 2020 08: 23
      Quote: Gritsa
      They have their own flies for a long time and launched into a series.

      Then he flies fly, but is he the one he claims to be? All specifications are unfounded, and the engine is frankly outdated. It's like in a joke
      "... -my neighbor says that eight times a night can ..
      - duck and you say. what can you ... "
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    2. +3
      14 January 2020 08: 25
      And the fact that the Chinese do not fall, how do you know?
    3. +5
      14 January 2020 08: 32
      And by the way, it does not fall.

      Do not say so confidently.
      What in the USSR, what in the USA, and these are the leading aerospace powers, always something has fallen.
      Both Korolev and Werner fell.
      It can’t be like this, so that the Chinese have everything in openwork.
      But we must pay tribute, they can secret. crying
    4. +5
      14 January 2020 08: 37
      Quote: Gritsa
      They have their own flies for a long time and launched into a series. And by the way, it does not fall.

      =======
      First - that "series" - twenty cars!
      Secondly, how do you know what is "falling" and what is not? Have you ever heard somewhere that a military plane crashed in China? I personally - NO !!! What does this mean that their military sides do not fall? But they fight, like EVERYWHERE! It's just that the Chinese really do not like to "take out dirty linen in public" !!! (Unlike us!) ......
      1. +8
        14 January 2020 08: 52
        Quote: venik
        Have you ever heard somewhere that a military plane crashed in China? I personally - NO !!!

        There was recently a video about the fall of a Chinese military aircraft, I almost got into a residential building (both pilots died), and rightly so, they hide all their accidents.
        1. +1
          14 January 2020 22: 57
          Quite by accident in 2018, infa about the 2 dead J-15B pilots surfaced, a memorial plaque on the video with Liaolin was lit.
    5. +1
      14 January 2020 10: 26
      And you are sure of this that it does not fall, I personally am not sure that the Chinese will not tell you about a tenth of the information about their innovations, the tradition.
  11. +10
    14 January 2020 08: 16
    Well Duc, why should the Chinese have their own ..... Is it again "rip off" .... and pretend that they themselves "thought of it"
  12. +12
    14 January 2020 08: 19
    Not so long ago, the Chinese with Europe tried to pull off similar themes. Banded Ears are blocked. The acquisition of MotorSich is also a big question ... Adding two and two, we get - China is experiencing serious difficulties in engine technology. And he is ready to spend serious money to acquire these technologies ... Now he is casting fishing rods in Russia. But what if...
  13. +2
    14 January 2020 08: 19
    LOL, so half of the technologies were poked after the collapse of the alliance ... something else will happen ...
  14. +1
    14 January 2020 08: 24
    The hedgehog was scared with bare buttocks. lol
  15. +3
    14 January 2020 08: 26
    In addition, for further work on the project, you need a currency. We have currency and non-currency, only there are a lot of managers, there isn’t enough for everything, it would be necessary to trim (managers), preferably at zero.
  16. +4
    14 January 2020 08: 30
    shish them and not technology .. ish damn if Jews were found here! Chinay appearance)))
  17. 0
    14 January 2020 08: 39
    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation.


    no bad ones. With a good engine, the cabinet will fly. In the design of gliders, progress has long been over and the characteristics of aircraft will grow due to the materials from which the glider is made and the most important growth will be due to the engine.
  18. +4
    14 January 2020 08: 39
    Yes, you Chinese citizens go away! You only need technology! You’ll literally steal from all over the world, the country is a copy-copier and you will remain! Trump production from China will take away, and your economy will collapse at most, in three years! !!!!!!!
  19. +4
    14 January 2020 08: 40
    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.

    Dreaming is not harmful - and even useful!
    But seriously, some information portal does not reflect the full picture of the "desires" of the Chinese military.
    The material recalls that at one time India stopped participating in a joint program to develop a fifth-generation fighter.

    Now India is an outsider in the design and manufacture of a fifth-generation aircraft with constantly moving deadlines (5-10 years behind) to create the first full-fledged copy! )
  20. +2
    14 January 2020 08: 41
    This possibility was also considered in China - in the format of the purchase of a limited batch of several cars.

    “Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation

    For some time now I began to notice that perhaps only in the Chinese press can we find a strange combination of childish naivety and arrogance.
  21. +2
    14 January 2020 08: 45
    And after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.


    Time will tell if this is so ...
  22. KCA
    0
    14 January 2020 08: 49
    Soho is the official publication of the Ministry of Defense of China, so categorically say something?
    1. +1
      14 January 2020 09: 01
      Soho is the official publication of the Ministry of Defense of China, so categorically say something?

      Sohu ("Sohu") is a Chinese Internet company combining a media portal, a search engine, as well as the largest information brand in the Chinese Internet space.

      Private shop.
    2. 0
      14 January 2020 09: 55
      Quote: KCA
      Soho is the official publication of the Ministry of Defense of China, so categorically say something?
      The Chinese "hu" (狐) can be translated into Russian as "not very arctic fox" lol (simply "arctic fox" in Chinese is called "beiji hu" - "very northern fox"), i.e. simply - "fox". A very telling name for yellow education. smile
  23. -10
    14 January 2020 09: 02
    Shameful flying.
  24. +3
    14 January 2020 09: 17
    Another article about the fall of the T-50 (Su-57), as if the order came to everyone, to remember and inflate this topic. And the articles are all the same, Russia has no money for the plane, we won't buy it, the end of the program. There were always problems with new products and aircraft fell during tests, anything can happen. And what does the collapse of an entire 5th generation program have to do with one crash? Won MIG31 fell and that, how many years has it been flying and is still an unsurpassed plane, and even with the "Dagger" it flies, and judging by the articles it would have been turned off because of the fall?
    1. +1
      14 January 2020 09: 44
      Quote: Air Force
      Won MIG31 fell and that, how many years it has been flying and is still an unsurpassed plane, and even with the "Dagger" it flies,

      Su-24 also flies and effectively bombes.
      During flight tests, 10 * Su-24 was lost
      During flight tests, 4 * Su-24M was lost
      Total - 14 aircraft. Killed - 13 test pilots and test navigators.
      The accident rate in combat units in the first years after retraining on the Su-24 is 5 (five) -6 (six) drops per year.
      1. +1
        14 January 2020 10: 23
        I agree with you, just gave one example with MIG31. And there are a lot of them, both in Russia and around the world, and how many examples have not yet been voiced, or voiced and the topic is jammed. And here they’re trying to raise excitement.
        1. +2
          14 January 2020 10: 31
          Quote: Air Force
          And here they’re trying to raise excitement

          The Su-24 was created as a completely new aircraft, as they said in those days - the new aviation complex, which it was, there were many new solutions in technical and design terms. Hence, unfortunately, there are so many disasters in the process of testing and during retraining in regiments. But, the car was finalized, a good and reliable aircraft, proved to be very effective in Syria.
          Will bring and Su-57
  25. +1
    14 January 2020 09: 28
    You might think the Chinese offered someone the Su-57, you are naive, do it yourself, maybe you will be in time by the end of the century. The engine for the current do not create according to the finished drawings.
  26. +1
    14 January 2020 09: 29
    the fighter’s export route to China is completely blocked.

    And thank God, for with this approach, let the cunning frogs go to hell.
    This possibility was also considered in China - in the format of the purchase of a limited batch of several cars

    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.
  27. +4
    14 January 2020 09: 32
    Chinese Sohu: After the fall of the Su-57, its export to China is completely blocked

    Here it is the face of a real Chinese dragon. After burning Chinese screwdrivers, drills, and perforators, did someone forbid the import of this junk into Russia? These soft screws and nails, these one-time screwdrivers, these poisonous dyes and disposable clothes?
    If interested, look and listen to the thought-provoking information about China and its interests in this world:

    Concerning:
    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.

    Then Russia urgently needs to reconsider approaches to Russian-Chinese military cooperation, so that later it will not be painful for the priceless natural resources given for "Chinese junk". It hurts and ashamed in front of my grandchildren ...
  28. bar
    +1
    14 January 2020 09: 40
    after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.

    Everything that is done is for the best. They are not so much our friends. All this "export" to China usually ends with the sale of a couple of samples and the transfer / transfer of technology.
  29. +1
    14 January 2020 09: 58
    Recently, according to media reports, Russia has been considering the possibility of selling the Su-57 to China. Russia needs a currency for further work on the project. This possibility was also considered in China - in the format of the purchase of a limited batch of several cars. But then China decided to focus on the modernization of its 5th generation fighter J-20. And after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.

    And that is great. The practice of selling a "limited batch of several cars" ends. Freebies will be no more.

    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.

    Yes, dream. Only now for Russia it is not profitable. Either buy full-fledged lots, or arividerchi.
  30. +3
    14 January 2020 10: 28
    Perhaps in a year or two they will be in line for this aircraft
  31. 0
    14 January 2020 10: 44
    "Russia could export not the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technology used in its creation. This is beneficial for China." - after these words, everything is clear, only it is not at all profitable for Russia, and the Chinese, once such a stony engine, let them create their normal engine ... and again this is the Sohu edition .... well, let's see when the Russian Aerospace Forces serial Su-57 will go.
  32. +1
    14 January 2020 11: 29
    Quote: Grievous
    Shameful flying.

    Which shameful trendelka fell off .... As?
  33. +2
    14 January 2020 13: 39
    Chinese sohu, it’s like our Yandex Zen, whoever writes there ... Does China also refer to and reprint our mega-authors from Zen?
    1. +1
      15 January 2020 09: 43
      It is strange with what persistence they reprint it here. Well, yes, butchert then fierce, comments rod ...
  34. +2
    14 January 2020 13: 53
    It is seldom heard about the crash of aircraft in China, either in China aircraft are actually more reliable than in Russia, the USA, India and all other countries, or China simply does not publicize the crash of military aircraft, which is generally correct.

    And about the Su-57, the Chinese media are wrong, Russia is developing this project itself, if it succeeds in selling part of the planes for export, it’s okay, it won’t work out, it’s okay, the order is already there and it will ensure the loading of the plant’s capacities, and upon completion of the contract there will be more orders.
  35. +2
    14 January 2020 17: 50
    after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.

    And thank God, while they are buying the fourth generation, the fifth needs to be delivered to their sun.
  36. -2
    14 January 2020 18: 06
    Judge the pilot and shoot
  37. +1
    14 January 2020 18: 38
    China bully buying MotorSich wassat I am sure he can "invent fellow "a new engine for an aircraft of the 5th generation. To us (Russia smile ) you need to "catch up" with foreign (USA am and all the rest ...) 5th generation aircraft, creating an air defense system is guaranteed to shoot down all 5th generation aircraft ... "mare's move" good
    1. +1
      14 January 2020 18: 55
      From all of these statues from SOHU gives a very strong inferiority complex.
  38. -1
    14 January 2020 22: 34
    And who was talking about the sale? China will purchase only individual nodes ...
    1. 0
      14 January 2020 22: 59
      As soon as Vietnam buys the Su-57E units will become car kits
      1. -1
        14 January 2020 23: 02
        What for? China has a Fighter ... need turbojet engine, buy turbojet engine .. need AFAR, buy AFAR.
  39. 0
    15 January 2020 10: 30
    and the key to the apartment where the money lies to the Chinese?
  40. 0
    15 January 2020 11: 09
    What a fierce nonsense. SOKHU-trash type Yandex Zen.
  41. 0
    15 January 2020 11: 35
    Let China itself crank engines. in 15-20 years you look something will appear.
  42. +1
    15 January 2020 22: 34
    Russia could export not Su-57 itself, but its technology

    at one time, India stopped participating in a joint program to develop a fifth generation fighter. The author asks whether Russia has drawn conclusions from this step of India or not.

    The Chinese author is as simple as 2 pennies. Give him the technology.
  43. 0
    16 January 2020 17: 10
    In Chinese Sohu, they write about this:



    Recently, according to media reports, Russia has been considering the possibility of selling the Su-57 to China. Russia needs a currency for further work on the project. This possibility was also considered in China - in the format of the purchase of a limited batch of several cars

    I am amazed...! But who is it cunning ... cunning ... (well, you understand) was going to sell something ... ??? Yes, in the amount of a few pieces, as they would like ..... They wanted to buy a few pieces to once again stash something inexpensive for themselves
  44. 0
    16 January 2020 17: 15
    And after the fall of the Su-57 in the Khabarovsk Territory, the export route of the fighter to China is completely blocked.
    AND THANK GOD..!
    From material to Sohu:

    Russia could not export the Su-57 itself, but its aircraft engine technologies used in its creation. It is beneficial for China.
    The chitrozopost chyteaz rolls over .......