AERO project: In India, they announced that they will create their own engine for the 5th generation fighter


In the Indian press, materials are published that are devoted to the development of the new generation Indian fighter. Recall that earlier India withdrew from a joint program with Russia to create a 5th generation FGFA fighter. At the moment, India has not actually begun its own development, has refused cooperation with the Russian Federation in this area and is unlikely to be introduced into the American F-35 program.


However, Indian military experts continue to argue that India "can cope with the creation of a new generation fighter."

In particular, the publication The Economic Times says that India intends to focus on the development of its own aircraft engine, which will be used in fifth-generation AMCA aircraft. It is planned that specialists from DRDO, the Organization for Defense Research and Development of India, will work on this project.

From the article:

Sources said that although the first two squadrons of AMCA will be equipped with an GE 414 engine of American origin, project details will be clarified in the coming months, provided that DRDO begins a parallel process to create an aircraft engine plant.

We are talking about a promising engine, which in India is referred to as AERO. The material of the indicated Indian publication says that for its creation "cooperation with Western manufacturers is possible." First of all, American and French companies are called.

From the article:

The DRDO plans to create a fighter based on its own AERO engine, having invested about $ 1 billion in the project.

Such statements do not stand up to criticism, since it is impossible even theoretically to create the latest combat aircraft equipped with a completely new engine of its own design for such means (taking into account the construction of the plant). But in India, many believe.
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  1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 17: 17 New
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    First you need to learn in Russia a compromise and material science, but then again Arjun will succeed.
    1. Polite Moose 9 January 2020 17: 54 New
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      Quote: Gray Brother
      again, Arjun will succeed.

      An Indian took over the development - in the KLA they put vodka in the cold.
    2. antivirus 9 January 2020 18: 07 New
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      hl in this article - China and Pakistan will unite in one state. if the Inles create the 5th generation. Because the United States controls the whole world on f22-35, and the Indians can all Eurasia. China will need to respond somehow.
      1. orionvitt 10 January 2020 12: 07 New
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        Let the Indians independently create at least airplanes and engines of the 3rd generation. So let them believe. The only thing that’s real is that I’ve cut a billion dollars.
    3. Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 18: 40 New
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      Quote: Gray Brother
      First you need to learn in Russia a compromise and material science, but then again Arjun will succeed.

      Alas, soon we’ll all go to study in China ourselves, because universities continue to ruin. The professors were loaded with bureaucrats' paper on Western patterns, they cut financing, they taught sopromatic guys, yesterday’s students were stupid.
      1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 18: 48 New
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        Alas, soon we’ll all go to China ourselves,

        I won’t go - I’m already old, I’m a fool to teach only to spoil. In general, learning is not a zapadlo anywhere, if only there was a sense.
        1. Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 18: 56 New
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          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Alas, soon we’ll all go to China ourselves,

          I won’t go - I’m already old, I’m a fool to teach only to spoil. In general, learning is not a zapadlo anywhere, if only there was a sense.

          I don’t agree that it’s “zapadlo” to deprive our children of Education, upbringing, health care, social services, the conquests of October (8 hours working hours are October), the Motherland. angry
          According to your live where to live well, even on the moon. angry
          1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 19: 05 New
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            Quote: Mavrikiy
            According to your live where to live well, even on the moon.

            The moon is bad - there is no atmosphere.
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            the conquests of October (8 hours slave workers are October), the Motherland.

            I love my homeland. The conquests of October, Yeltsin put in his pocket, and 8 hours. and remained - where they did not stay there they pay extra.
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            I don’t agree, “zapadlo” to deprive my children of Education, upbringing,

            Only you can deprive your children of their upbringing; there is education.
      2. Astronaut 10 January 2020 02: 04 New
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        yesterday's students

        So yesterday’s students are victims of the USE ?!
    4. TermNachTer 9 January 2020 18: 53 New
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      Rzhu nimagu)))) Here explain to me what the optimism of these theoreticians is based on if they are engines of the 4th generation who cannot do normal ones. And then immediately the 5th.
      1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 18: 57 New
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        Quote: TermNachTER
        Explain to me what the optimism of these theoreticians is based on,

        Maybe they, therefore, want to bring down the price in the future - like we ourselves could, but so be it, let go, buy yours. Just give me something, sahib.
        1. TermNachTer 9 January 2020 19: 23 New
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          Maybe they can, only who will believe them? Is it a secret for anyone that 5th generation engines are produced by three countries in the world? Well, this is if you close your eyes and quietly agree that China, too, is like the 5th.
          1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 19: 29 New
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            Quote: TermNachTER
            Maybe they can, only who will believe them?

            Under a lying stone, water does not flow, you need to try)))
            Quote: TermNachTER
            in China, too, type 5th.

            China has a solid fourth, they dragged Motor Sich to themselves.
            1. TermNachTer 9 January 2020 19: 30 New
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              They haven’t dragged it yet; mattress covers do not give. Motor does not produce engines for military vehicles. maximum AI - 322, for UBS.
              1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 19: 37 New
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                They haven’t dragged it yet; mattress covers do not give.

                Read on the topic, it's interesting:
                https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/4362681.html
                They want to build a second plant.
                They will drag specialists and they themselves will saw.
                1. TermNachTer 9 January 2020 19: 39 New
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                  I do not need to read, I work at Motor and every day I watch these narrow-film ones.
                  1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 19: 45 New
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                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    I work at Motor and every day I watch these narrow-film ones.

                    If Che, dump in Russia, then at least your own.
                    1. TermNachTer 9 January 2020 19: 47 New
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                      If it gets really bad, I'll do it, there’s someone who’s good. But for now, there is little hope that this mess will end and there will be normal relations again.
                      1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 19: 53 New
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                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        If it gets really bad, I'll do it, there’s someone who’s good.

                        If you are a competent specialist, then even if there’s no one to come off with your hands off.
                      2. TermNachTer 9 January 2020 20: 36 New
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                        Alas, I am an expert in a specific area of ​​human communication, so it is unlikely. But I know many who went to Salute, and even some who returned. But there are reasons.
                      3. 2Albert 10 January 2020 01: 07 New
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                        Hands will easily be torn off, but will not be paid. The main shortage is engine assemblers, but even having import contracts for engines, UMPO does not pay 50 thousand a month for assembling engines.
                      4. Gray brother 10 January 2020 16: 41 New
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                        Quote: 2Albert
                        Hands will easily be torn off, but will not be paid. ABOUT

                        They’ll give you an apartment, but you’ll take it away from the sows.
              2. missuris 10 January 2020 17: 53 New
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                and what do they do with you, well, in the sense of what exactly are the Chinese doing?
            2. 2Albert 10 January 2020 01: 22 New
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              They don’t really drag specialists, having experience with the Chinese, I can definitely say that they learn very quickly. Only carriers of key technologies are being recruited, using as consultants. Wangyu, according to the experience of Avik Liaonin (Varyag), that from all the MSs they will take no more than 3 specialists for 50-year contracts at best.
        2. 2Albert 10 January 2020 00: 56 New
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          Not entirely true, all MS and Ivchenko-progress engines have a gas temperature below 1300 "3rd generation (1960s). This parameter rose to 1176 ° C; for 4th generation engines (1970-1980), the temperature gas reached 1376 ° C. The blades of the turbines of the 5th generation engines, the first samples of which appeared in the West in the mid-1990s, operate at a temperature of 1626 ° C. "
  • den3080 9 January 2020 19: 21 New
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    Hindus are notable pilots. They had vimans long before the birth of Christ. And vimanas could even become invisible.
    1. 2Albert 10 January 2020 00: 58 New
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      But first of all, they are dancers, dancing even on nails and not on rakes
  • Vita vko 9 January 2020 19: 42 New
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    First, you need to learn in Russia about compromising and material science,

    Suffice it to be born in Russia and finish school. And you can teach a monkey and material science a monkey, all to no purpose.
  • Alexander Petrov1 10 January 2020 03: 13 New
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    Of course they will create, in about 50 years, when everyone will fly into space for 10 generations.
  • Thrifty 9 January 2020 17: 19 New
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    For them it's like two fingers on the asphalt lol . Ancestors, on the other hand, flew many centuries ago on Vimanas, and they even flew in space, so Indians must make a fifth-generation fighter themselves, and jokingly laughing
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  • prior 9 January 2020 17: 22 New
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    "India" can itself cope with the creation of a new generation fighter. "

    Why not?!
    There is Bollywood - draw cartoons.
    1. Alex 2020 9 January 2020 17: 38 New
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      Perhaps even better than the Russians, more colorful, with dances and songs. India, traditions.
  • Lena Petrova 9 January 2020 17: 24 New
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    One thing is clear - 100% of the money will be spent. And the engine ... well, how it goes.
  • Vyazemsky partisan 9 January 2020 17: 25 New
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    Smiled. Good luck grandfather Makar.
  • Flooding 9 January 2020 17: 28 New
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    Taking into account the Hindu slowness, you can start immediately with the seventh generation.
    Must be in time.
  • Livonetc 9 January 2020 17: 33 New
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    The ancient nation, the ancient language.
    Let them declare everything that they like.
    The rest is neither warm nor cold.
  • 75 Sergey 9 January 2020 17: 34 New
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    There was a desire - they will do it.
    We are sawing for a long time and hard, what's with the engine of the second stage?
    Yes, but will the Su-57 with the engines of the first stage be used in training units?
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      bar 9 January 2020 17: 48 New
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      what about the second stage engine?

      “In October, the next flight was performed with the product characteristics tested in different flight modes, including the operation of the rotary jet nozzle and the operation of the oil system under negative overloads. In total, 16 flights were completed at the flying laboratory, ”said Serdyukov.
  • Mentat 9 January 2020 17: 36 New
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    The DRDO plans to create a fighter based on its own AERO engine, having invested about $ 1 billion in the project.

    Such statements do not stand up to criticism, since it is impossible even theoretically to create the latest combat aircraft equipped with a completely new engine of its own design for such means (taking into account the construction of the plant). But in India, many believe.

    They apparently think that creating an engine is about how to twist a smartphone from the components and call it the “latest generation Indian smartphone”. Well, the engine can also be twisted from the "Western components" ... But what, is it really impossible? Can you? :)
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    bar 9 January 2020 17: 42 New
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    In India, said they would create their own engine for a 5th generation fighter

    Tailwind in humpback lol
  • Amateur 9 January 2020 17: 45 New
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    India intends to focus on the development of its own aircraft engine, which will be used in fifth-generation AMCA aircraft.

    Immediately after installing the 5th generation Indian engine on the MiG-21, it will significantly surpass the American F-22, Russian Su-52 and Iranian Qaher F-313. And Pakistani aviation will prefer to immediately produce a collective “flat corkscrew”
  • rotkiv04 9 January 2020 17: 47 New
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    Not even funny
  • Zaurbek 9 January 2020 17: 51 New
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    And will they develop 4th generation turbojet engines? And $ 1 billion is not enough ...
    1. bk316 9 January 2020 18: 06 New
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      Well, I’m also interested, well, it’s clear they won’t develop the fifth generation, probably the fourth too (they can produce it and they can, but I don’t believe it), but will the third come?
      1. Zaurbek 9 January 2020 19: 06 New
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        China is trying to do 4th ... .... with all its potential and desire
  • Basarev 9 January 2020 18: 02 New
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    Maybe we don’t understand something? And in fact, India has almost ready-made aircraft, created ahead of time?
  • Victor March 47 9 January 2020 18: 19 New
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    Such statements do not stand up to criticism, since it is impossible even theoretically to create the latest combat aircraft equipped with a completely new engine of its own design for such means (taking into account the construction of the plant). But in India, many believe.

    Of course, the Wimans flew. You just need to look good in legends and epics. Donate to the gods. To wash in the sacred river Ganges. The decision will come.
  • Klingon 9 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    the brahmanas cannot establish the normal supply and purification (most important!) of drinking water for the population, but they have set their eyes on a promising engine! wassat
    Jimmy Jimmy Acha Acha !! lol
    1. bk316 9 January 2020 19: 07 New
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      cannot establish normal flow and cleaning

      Have you been to India? hi
      There is water - you’ll clean horseradish - how terrible it takes, can you drink it?
  • Avior 9 January 2020 19: 04 New
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    . AMCA's first two squadrons will be powered by the GE 414 engine of American origin

    Interestingly, can Indians buy f-135s from the States? Or will not be sold?
    There would be a ready engine.
    The second option is, and the Indians cannot develop how the Japanese do with the Americans - a mixture of f-22 and f-35?
  • Grandfather-Shchukar 9 January 2020 19: 07 New
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    Hindus just throw statements .. But China silently works and not bad!
  • Klingon 9 January 2020 19: 13 New
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    cannot establish normal flow and cleaning

    Have you been to India? hi
    There is water - you’ll clean horseradish - how terrible it takes, can you drink it?

    was! drank some water, almost glued fins! belay
  • Roller Coaster1863 9 January 2020 19: 22 New
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    Oh, how funny everyone is here ... Remind whose apparatus around Mars flies and how much it cost the Hindus?
  • awg75 9 January 2020 19: 23 New
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    there is no fighter, but they will create an engine. )))) would start with something simpler)))
  • Victor March 47 9 January 2020 19: 37 New
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    Quote: Mentat

    The DRDO plans to create a fighter based on its own AERO engine, having invested about $ 1 billion in the project.

    Such statements do not stand up to criticism, since it is impossible even theoretically to create the latest combat aircraft equipped with a completely new engine of its own design for such means (taking into account the construction of the plant). But in India, many believe.

    They apparently think that creating an engine is about how to twist a smartphone from the components and call it the “latest generation Indian smartphone”. Well, the engine can also be twisted from the "Western components" ... But what, is it really impossible? Can you? :)

    It is impossible. Components - in technical terminology - collected from everywhere. Purchased from one manufacturer is a car kit. From it you can collect, but under the cruel control of EVERY movement of the collector controlling it.
    It’s impossible to assemble from the components, since all this crap is done without fitting to each other, according to their own documents. Turbine blades, most accurately balanced in static and dynamic modes, installed strictly in their place, and traveling complete, with a number, list and passport, according to the documents.
  • Alexey from Perm 9 January 2020 20: 31 New
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    Well, let them believe, here we have many believe that the Su 57 is a 5th generation aircraft.
    1. bars1 9 January 2020 20: 53 New
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      Alexey from Perm, Why don't you consider the Su-57 a 5th generation airplane?
      1. Alexey from Perm 9 January 2020 21: 08 New
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        Because of the necessary characteristics, for recognition by a 5th generation aircraft, the aircraft has only super-maneuverability, the presence of an internal weapons compartment, range, etc. The characteristics of cruising supersonic speed and low EPR are not fulfilled. Unfortunately.
        1. bars1 10 January 2020 00: 32 New
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          Why are low ESR requirements not met? Because the forms of the Su-57 do not correspond to the notorious ,, stealth canon ,, ala F-22? And you seriously think that our designers would not be able to design it with such forms ?! It’s just that in different countries there is a different understanding of 5th generation fighters, a different priority of certain qualities. We created a more balanced aircraft than the F-22 with its impact on stealth
          Flat with the F-22 nozzle slightly reduces visibility but contributes to traction loss, their IR visibility is not worse than Su-57
          You say that the F-22 S has channel-shaped shielding turbine blades (by the way, also negatively affecting traction) And the Su-57 has radar brokers (also of course negatively affecting, but smaller + adjustable air intake)
          The engine of the first stage completely provides supersonic supersonic sound (thanks to reg. Air intakes, radar blockers, a round nozzle and better aerodynamics) and with less thrust
          The engine of the second stage will have more traction and a simpler design.
          Also, the F-22 does not have OLS, which is nonsense for a stealth fighter
          1. Alexey from Perm 10 January 2020 00: 49 New
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            If everything that you wrote is true and has a place to be, then the Indians just that they abandoned such a good plane and decided to make a 5th generation plane themselves?
  • Chingachguk 9 January 2020 20: 38 New
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    Who would doubt ..... In the Ganges when stop shitting? bully
  • cherkas.oe 9 January 2020 21: 09 New
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    However, the trend in the world is with us, on TV everything is fine in all areas of life, and the Indians have dreams of fifth-generation engines. Everything smoothly moves to the invented parallel reality.
  • 7,62h54 9 January 2020 21: 42 New
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    In Russia, cooperation with Western partners has already taken place. Hindus want to step on their rake.
  • schura.kilka 9 January 2020 23: 31 New
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    Shouting is not prohibited.
  • dmmyak40 9 January 2020 23: 42 New
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    DRDO will be read again. And then they will again turn to Russia for the Su-57.
  • kind 10 January 2020 18: 07 New
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    Such statements do not stand up to criticism, since it is impossible even theoretically to create the latest combat aircraft equipped with a completely new engine of its own design for such means (taking into account the construction of the plant). But in India, many believe.

    The gods will help! When people believe, everything turns out !!!
  • iouris 11 January 2020 00: 45 New
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    They also know how to effectively conduct an information war.