“Vanguard” combat duty: foreign media estimates

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At the end of December, the first Vanguard hypersonic systems entered the Russian strategic missile forces on duty. it weapon differs in high characteristics and wide combat capabilities, and therefore naturally attracts the attention of the foreign press. Accordingly, the beginning of his combat duty was the reason for a new wave of publications in foreign media.

NYT rates


One of the first on news American newspaper The New York Times reacted from Russia. Already on December 27, she published the material “Russia Deploys Hypersonic Weapon, Potentially Renewing Arms Race”, in which she tried to predict the consequences of the appearance of the combat-ready “Vanguard”.



According to NYT, data on the availability of the Avangard system and its highest capabilities are obtained not only from official Russian sources. Unnamed US officials also talk about the existence of such weapons. Moreover, they warn that a complex with characteristics of such a level will significantly increase the potential of Russian strategic forces, which are already quite powerful.

However, the newspaper cites the opinion that there are no particular risks associated with Avangard. She quotes the executive director of the Arms Control Supporters Association in the United States, Daryl J. Kimball, who points out that no more than a few dozen Vanguards have been deployed in Russia. Given the mass of other strategic weapons, such a number of hypersonic systems cannot significantly increase the risks for the United States.

The New York Times sees in Vanguard not only a strike system, but also a political instrument. The START III treaty expires in February next year, and Moscow wants to extend it or replace it with a new similar agreement. Washington does not want to sign a new bilateral treaty - it is in its interests to include new parties, such as China, in the START. However, Beijing is not going to voluntarily accept any restrictions on the strategic nuclear forces.


In such a situation, the Vanguard system and other promising weapons can be an instrument of pressure on the United States. Taking advantage of its superiority in hypersonic technology, Russia could force Washington to begin negotiations to extend or replace the current START III. With all this, the Avangard complex is hardly considered in Russia as the first step in a new arms race.

FAZ doubts


On January 2, the German edition of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) published its opinion on the Vanguard issue. An article on this subject was called "Der Hype um Putins" Wunderwaffe "" - "The hype around Putin’s miracle weapon."

Considering the new Russian weapons, the author of the German publication suggests that the technological superiority of Avangard is unpleasant for Western countries, but the real benefits of these weapons are exaggerated. Russia and the United States already have large nuclear arsenals - START III allows them to deploy up to 1550 nuclear warheads in deployed form. All these weapons are capable of destroying the whole world, and several times. In such a situation, the American missile defense system or Russian hypersonic systems do not fundamentally change anything.

FAZ quoted German rocket expert Markus Schiller. He believes that the main effect of Vanguard is related to psychology. Russia plays with fears of foreign countries, and hypersonic weapons can exert psychological pressure. In a critical situation, such pressure can affect decision making.

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung openly doubts the special combat value of the Vanguard complex. The newspaper believes that long-term military advantages cannot be expected. In the best case, such a system will facilitate the start of new negotiations in the field of arms control. Perhaps this time they will attract new participants. An alternative to such a development of events could be a new arms race in which the United States, Russia and, possibly, China will participate.

WT is studying


The theme of the Avangard complex was studied more thoroughly by the American publication The Washington Post. His article on this subject, entitled “Russian hypersonic hype may not match reality,” was released on January 5. The authors talked with American and foreign experts and give very interesting quotes.


WT recalls the news and messages of recent years. Regularly talked about progress in the field of hypersonic weapons and the soon arrival of such systems on combat duty in several countries, which should change the balance of power in the world. However, the newspaper suggests not to panic about this and draws attention to alternative opinions.

Like other media outlets, WT points out that the Avangard complex has not yet been tested in real combat conditions, and this makes it difficult to evaluate its capabilities. In addition, the newspaper doubts that such systems will give the Russian strategic nuclear forces any new opportunities beyond the existing ones. Apparently, without the "Vanguard", nuclear forces will be guaranteed to break through the US missile defense and strike.

WT cites the words of a specialist in rocket technology of the chief researcher of IMEMO RAS Alexander Savelyev. He believes that the development of the hypersonic direction is directly related to Moscow’s fears about further improving the US missile defense. To combat such a threat, fundamentally new strike systems are required that are capable of breaking through the defense.

According to A. Savelyev, the "Vanguard", not distinguished by high firing accuracy, should not be considered a means of the first disarming strike. With a relatively powerful warhead, from 800 ct to 2 mt, Avangard will not be able to implement the doctrine of escalation for de-escalation. An excessively powerful blow to the enemy can provoke his active response.

Quotes from George Washington University's Elliott School of International Relation, Ivan Elrich, are even more interesting. He accuses the media of an overly positive attitude towards hypersonic weapon designs and a lack of healthy skepticism. The press agrees with the opinions and conclusions of the military departments and the defense industry, not taking into account the extreme complexity of creating hypersonic complexes with the desired ratio of characteristics.

NRK almost admires


The Norwegian publication NRK does not agree with the American specialist and sees a real threat in Vanguard. This opinion was expressed in the article “Nytt russisk våpen kan sannsynligvis ikke stoppes” (“It seems that the new Russian weapons cannot be stopped”) dated January 2.


Considering the "Vanguard", the Norwegian publication provides already known data and news about the tactical and technical characteristics and expected capabilities. In addition, there are statements by various experts and conclusions are drawn.

So, the specialist of the Norwegian Naval Academy, Ina Holst-Pedersen Kwam, doubts the declared technical characteristics of the Vanguard. Moreover, the complex belongs to a whole category of such "dubious" developments. According to the expert, Moscow is deliberately exaggerating the parameters of its new weapons. The objective of this is probably to strengthen the credibility of Russian containment systems. There is also a pleasant “bonus” - it becomes more difficult for foreign experts to determine the real situation.

However, NRK gives another point of view, according to which the Avangard complex really has outstanding tactical and technical characteristics and is capable of threatening third countries. The publication also draws attention to the ability of a hypersonic complex to break through missile defense. Existing US systems of this kind can intercept high-speed ballistic targets with a predictable trajectory. The Vanguard maneuvers in flight, making it extremely difficult to defeat it.

NRK also recalled that the development of a hypersonic warhead is associated with the solution of a number of complex scientific and technical problems. If Russia was really able to create the “Vanguard”, showing the declared characteristics, then it managed to deal with these tasks.

Different opinions


Foreign media have not yet reached a consensus on the Russian hypersonic Avangard complex, and it is unlikely that this will ever happen. Nevertheless, in foreign publications there are several main trends.


First of all, there are certain doubts about the possibility of creating hypersonic weapons with all the declared characteristics and capabilities. There is also an opinion about the limited use of new weapons, which supposedly does not affect the existing balance of power. At the same time, some publications have no doubt that the new Russian weapons really have high characteristics and are dangerous for a potential enemy.

It must be recalled that the reason for the latest publications in foreign media was the news about the beginning of the combat duty of the Avangard complex. Thus, despite doubts, criticism, accusations, etc., Russia brought one of the most daring projects of our time to full operation. This fact gives foreign criticisms a very specific look. Meanwhile, the Vanguard system has entered service and ensures the security of the country.
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  1. +17
    11 January 2020 05: 36
    And earlier this news pleased that the Vanguard was put on combat duty good ... well, and after the complete failure of the Mattresses in Iraq - the Persians who failed to repel the blow ... In general, it became somehow calmer in the World (with Vanguard)!
    Well, X-Perds - let them continue to guess on the coffee grounds, tarot cards and look into the magic ball wink ... Real TTX of the Vanguard - it won’t give them! Yes
    1. -2
      11 January 2020 08: 31
      And when they tried to repel it, how many air defense missiles launched past, is there infa? In general, a surprisingly sober assessment of the Vanguard media is really cool, only Russians were cool anyway)))) current Norwegians especially in Russia are not needed by anyone, they decided to whine ...
      1. -3
        11 January 2020 16: 46
        which indicates that no more than a few dozen Vanguards are deployed in Russia. Given the mass of other strategic weapons, such a number of hypersonic systems cannot significantly increase US risks

        Interestingly, a few dozen, two, or three, or four? These are four dozen cities in the future completely destroyed, for stripes is not a risk? About 50 million people ..
        1. +1
          12 January 2020 12: 23
          Has anyone evaluated how many Vanguards and how many conventional warheads can one missile carry? And if conventional warheads also maneuver, how much easier is it to hit them than the Vanguard? Maybe all this about the Vanguard is just propaganda - we should raise patriotism, and the West - to scare them and force them to spend money on "otvetka"?
          1. 0
            12 January 2020 18: 39
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Maybe all this about Vanguard is just propaganda

            What do you think, what kind of reaction should people have, with at least basic knowledge of physics, when Putin says that the Vanguard flies on hypersound, maneuvers, bypasses air defense, while "melting like a popsicle"? Unless they twist the temple.

            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Maybe all this about the Vanguard is just propaganda - we should raise patriotism, and the West - to scare them and force them to spend money on "otvetka"?

            They hardly believe in cartoons and understand perfectly well for whom all these avant-garde Poseidons are being made.
  2. +9
    11 January 2020 06: 11
    1550 nuclear warheads. All these weapons can destroy the whole world, and several times Slightly more than 3000 charges can destroy the world? Repeatedly? If this is not a translation error, then the level of experts of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung is slightly lower than the baseboard, several times!
    Like other media outlets, WT points out that the Avangard complex has not yet been tested in real combat conditions, and this makes it difficult to assess its capabilities. The Washington Post is undoubtedly incredible! No one is aware of the use of at least some sort of ICBMs in real combat conditions, and The Washington Post is in the know! Well done!
    rocket technician Alexander IM Saveliev, chief researcher at IMEMO RAS It’s safe to say that IMEMO is something like a HSE, only with a political bias, while there are such employees as Alexander Savelyev and Alexei Arbatov. In their opinion, on average, Russia’s nuclear weapons are completely useless.
    1. +11
      11 January 2020 06: 38
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      All these weapons can destroy the whole world, and several times a little more than 3000 charges can destroy the world? Repeatedly?

      Surprised by the surprise of Vladimir! Everyone tries on the "civilization" of the World according to their needs and concepts ... "World devastation" too! Someone happily lives in the "taiga" of Siberia or Alaska in a hunting lodge and believes that they live normally in a wonderful world! And someone perceives the absence of toilet paper as global devastation ...
      1. 0
        11 January 2020 06: 39
        Destroying the world and destroying "civilization" are somewhat different things, don't you think?
        1. +3
          11 January 2020 09: 35
          It depends on what is the meaning of the word "peace".
          1. 0
            11 January 2020 09: 57
            Well, certainly not in the same sense as in the title of the novel "War and Peace"
        2. 0
          11 January 2020 12: 07
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Destroying the world and destroying "civilization" are somewhat different things, don't you think?

          No, I don’t find it ... As Valery noted, “depending on what is the point of putting into the word“ peace ”! From that, others“ will not find ”... Every person on Earth evaluates the suitability of the“ world ”for living in it according to his understanding ( perception) of the "civilization" of this "world"! Accordingly, people perceive the degree of destruction of the world by their willingness to live in a changed (!) world. Destroy the level of civilization of the world in which a "certain individual" lives, and he will perceive it as "destruction of the world" as "end of the world"! Place a "civilized" Muscovite, Parisian, New Yorker in the "jungle" of the Amazon, Alaska, Krasnoyarsk Territory ... and for him the "end of the world" will come ... his world will be destroyed .. . this "world" in which he will be placed will not be acceptable for him! But the "world" unacceptable for a "Muscovite, Parisian, Londoner" will be quite sufficient for the Amazonian Indians, Alaska aborigines, Siberian taiga ...
          1. 0
            11 January 2020 12: 18
            It’s scary to imagine what will happen to your world if the dots suddenly disappear ... laughing
            1. +3
              11 January 2020 13: 18
              Don't touch my dots! angry A "great guy" like me may have some little weaknesses! bully
  3. +9
    11 January 2020 06: 22
    But there are no vanguards.
    Skomorokhov "gives a tooth".
    All polymers profekalin.
    1. +1
      11 January 2020 07: 33
      Quote: The Fourth Horseman
      But there are no vanguards.
      Skomorokhov "gives a tooth".
      All polymers profekalin.

      good laughing Great joke for some "give up" wink
      1. +3
        11 January 2020 12: 22
        And those who are accustomed to think with their own heads than to pinpoint?
        1. -1
          11 January 2020 13: 16
          Quote: lexus
          And those who are accustomed to think with their own heads than to pinpoint?

          "Echo of the State Department" listen more .. heh heh
          But seriously, then you should be able to compare .. Here I had this opportunity ... And what they write to you and you listen, everything is in question!
          And the main thing is to love the Motherland, not "this country" Listen to your soul ..
          We pick out this feeling and very successfully hi
          But we resist and do not want ..

          These are the things in the tank divisions, the western direction hehe heh
    2. +1
      11 January 2020 08: 10
      I'm wondering, Roma, the "officers' daughter" is being raised for money or for an idea. One has already checked in here.
      1. +2
        11 January 2020 11: 41
        Roma, the "daughter of officers" are raised for money or for an idea.


        We have all read and know what a novel can write. But I have not seen your "writings". Come on, write a criticism of Roman e of his material and post it here so that everyone can enjoy the masterpiece. And you will be delighted with the readers' ratings.

        And so, in the comments heaping on one of the best journalists of VO is simply not correct. And so I say, because when I didn’t like what Mr. Samsonov wrote, I wrote a response material and VO honestly published it.
        1. +8
          11 January 2020 12: 13
          Now, write a criticism of Roman e of his material and place it here so that everyone can enjoy the masterpiece.

          The novel, to its credit, constantly asks to refute his point of view with facts. Moreover, he promises to defend at the editorial board the placement of materials from his critics.
          1. +4
            11 January 2020 12: 26
            The novel, to its credit, constantly asks to refute his point of view with facts.


            Absolutely right. Plus, Roman does not hide and responds to healthy criticism. Plus, he knows that communication is a journalist-reader and makes an interesting dialogue. And in nature there is no 100% true judgment, both his and ours, as readers and commentators.
          2. 0
            11 January 2020 13: 27
            Quote: lexus
            The novel, to its credit, constantly asks to refute his point of view with facts. Moreover, he promises to defend at the editorial board the placement of materials from his critics.

            Raise the archives. There is a complete removal of criticism .. Well, so it leaves the most, for a look .. This has long been known to everyone crying
    3. +5
      11 January 2020 10: 17
      Quote: The Fourth Horseman
      Yes, there are no vanguards.
      Skomorokhov "gives a tooth".
      All polymers profekalin.

      Where is the novel stated? Why are you trying to slander a person?
      Quote: Hundred
      Great joke for some "give up"

      Quote: ML-334
      Roma, "daughters of officers" are raised for money or for an idea

      And then there were pull-ups!

      Such "personalities" who arrange persecution based on lies should be banned for life.
      1. +5
        11 January 2020 10: 37
        [quoteTalking about "Zircon" and "Vanguard", which seem to be there and even showed them to someone ... Well, until released, until put at the service of the Motherland ... [/ quote]
        Quote from his last opus.
        And what? He will not sin?
        But what about the fact that not so long ago this Holy man posted an article by another author, signed? The topic of cruisers.
        For which there was a bit.
        After all, this is golimy plagiarism.
        Oh yes! Holy ....
        1. +4
          11 January 2020 11: 04
          And where is the denial of the vanguards? On the contrary, he was upset that the latest weapons were slowly being released and put at the service of the motherland, although they were making public relations out of it. This is the whole point of the article! And you are trying to suck a wormhole out of your finger.
          1. +2
            11 January 2020 11: 17
            TA-dah! As in TV shows, when a husband / wife finds his spouse in bed with her lover / lover.
            - dear (oops), you misunderstood everything. There was nothing like that!
            #youVsioVrioti!
            Have you already justified plagiarism?
          2. -2
            11 January 2020 16: 02
            And the Homeland in this regard does not have to be in a hurry, now the main quality and efficiency, and not the quantity and the corresponding acceptable costs, not bloated.
      2. +4
        11 January 2020 10: 59
        Quote: Stas157
        Where is the novel stated? Why are you trying to slander a person?

        The article is called "Thunder of Victory Thunder". Roman has "less and less confidence" in cartoons. And also the development of weapons is "not dynamic enough."
        1. +6
          11 January 2020 11: 05
          Quote: Winnie76
          The article is called "Thunder of Victory Thunder".

          Was reading.
          Quote: Winnie76
          the development of weapons is "not dynamic enough"

          I agree with that. All?
          1. +2
            11 January 2020 11: 14
            Quote: Stas157
            Was reading.
            Quote: Winnie76
            the development of weapons is "not dynamic enough"

            I agree with that. All?

            And I disagree. He gave the arguments. Instead of counter arguments, he was mercilessly minus. And now it turns out that a persecution is organized against Roman and his opponents "must be banned for life." Famously.
            1. +3
              11 January 2020 11: 17
              Quote: Winnie76
              I do not agree. He brought arguments. Instead of counter arguments mercilessly is minus.

              Since I agree, then maybe minus was mine. Do you think Roman you mercilessly zamusunus?
              1. +6
                11 January 2020 11: 34
                Quote: Stas157
                Since I agree, then maybe minus was mine. Do you think Roman minus all?

                For God's sake. A novel is an authoritative person, if he has “no confidence” then so be it. I would like real arguments, but apart from the minuses and value judgments, how sad everything is, everything is falling apart, some cartoons around there are no arguments.
                In particular, regarding the Su-57, there were the following complaints: incorrect radar (not AFAR) and the engine of the first stage. It is fantastic. And if the engine of the first stage is renamed to the engine of the tenth, then everything will suit you? And the fact that the Su-57 radar consists of several antenna arrays including the L band (try to give at least one analogue) does this Skomorokhov not wobble?
                1. +2
                  11 January 2020 12: 02
                  The novel wrote not only about the Su-57. He described the general picture in the field of production and the introduction of the latest weapons. Perhaps in something (somewhere) he was not accurate. This is normal. For this, there is a forum to express their disagreement. In the main, Roman gave a completely adequate picture of reality.

                  I commented there too. Let's comment on articles under our articles, otherwise (by the rules) this is considered a flood.
                  1. +6
                    11 January 2020 12: 49
                    Quote: Stas157
                    The novel wrote not only about the Su-57. He described the general picture in the field of production and the introduction of the latest weapons.

                    Oh yes, the scope of the article is amazing. To cover the entire military-industrial complex in one article, to pour a certain substance on the work of hundreds of thousands of people on the basis of "no certainty" is strong. Only on this "not only about the Su-57" tens of thousands of people, entire factories and institutes worked.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Perhaps in something (somewhere) he was not accurate. This is normal.

                    On this resource, it’s customary to poke the nose of journalists who write about things that they don’t understand one iota of. In this case, how is Skomorokhov different from Majumar? The scope is wider?
                    Quote: Stas157
                    In the main, Roman gave a completely adequate picture of reality.

                    Well yes. The novel brought a bunch of theses without substantiating them. If you take care of this, you get four volumes of War and Peace.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Let's comment on articles under our articles, otherwise (by the rules) this is considered a flood.

                    Well, how can that be. A few days ago, Roman wrote all this cartoons, and in this article "the vanguard is already on alert." It turns out that someone is lying. Who is this: The New York Times, Washington Post, or Skomorokhov?
                  2. +1
                    11 January 2020 16: 05
                    No general picture was observed in his writings - the general picture will appear when there will be a detailed comparison of the armies of the Russian Federation in the year 2000 and 2019.
                2. +5
                  11 January 2020 12: 12
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  And the fact that the Su-57 radar consists of several antenna arrays including the L band (try to give at least one analogue) does this Skomorokhov not wobble?

                  your knowledge in this area is wider - write an article. "You cannot embrace the immensity" K. Prutkov
            2. +4
              11 January 2020 12: 09
              Quote: Winnie76
              persecution is organized against Roman and his opponents "must be banned for life."

              confirmation of what you can provide? Just now, the situation is the opposite - minus people with the opposite position
      3. +1
        11 January 2020 14: 38
        Stasik that offended you? For life?
        1. +4
          11 January 2020 17: 17
          Quote: ML-334
          Stasik that offended you? For life?

          It looks like i offended you!))) Judging by your acute reaction.
  4. -1
    11 January 2020 06: 29
    * Vanguard * some kind of phantom object. In some INOSmi it is .. but in others, as it were! TTX no, Nitsche no. The West is confused and frightened. And it’s nice, the gas station was giving Silicon-Stanford specialists.
  5. -5
    11 January 2020 06: 42
    All the best for children ...
    1. +4
      11 January 2020 08: 58
      Are you talking about nuclear mushrooms? what Children do not have time to understand how they were taken care of. recourse
      1. -2
        11 January 2020 15: 24
        Depends on how close to the epicenter ...
      2. +5
        11 January 2020 15: 34
        Quote: bessmertniy
        All the best for children ...

        By the standards of human civilization, the United States is a "child", but very arrogant, brought up on anabolic profits from investments in the First and Second World Wars ... A sort of militaristic drug addict.
        And on the account of the "best" - you are right: the Vanguard is still the best that we have. But not greedy, we will come up with something else. It won't rust behind our Kulibins! bully
  6. 0
    11 January 2020 07: 14
    So, the specialist of the Norwegian Naval Academy, Ina Holst-Pedersen Kwam, doubts the declared technical characteristics of the Vanguard. Moreover, the complex belongs to a whole category of such "dubious" developments.

    This is his association with telephone sex. It seems he is. And in fact?
  7. +1
    11 January 2020 07: 24
    START 3? The Americans will throw this piece of paper in the garbage can, as soon as it is not profitable for them! What is the point of this piece of paper?
  8. 0
    11 January 2020 07: 26
    WT indicates that the Avangard complex has not yet been tested in real combat conditions, and this makes it difficult to evaluate its capabilities.

    Well, yes, as soon as you "check", then you can talk ... there would be someone!
  9. +2
    11 January 2020 07: 31
    Russia brought one of the most ambitious projects of our time to full operation.

    Here is the same .. And then we are hammered all the time that we here in Russia cabbage soup with our bast shoes .. So there will still be gentlemen, Russia has many surprises for you! Do not make the Russians angry and EVERYTHING will be fine!
    1. -1
      12 January 2020 12: 29
      But they continue to anger us and especially do not react to the Vanguards. On the contrary, they strengthen sanctions and are not afraid of our response.
  10. 0
    11 January 2020 07: 34
    As I understand it, Vanguard is an ICBM, only the BB is equipped with an engine that turns on after entering the dense atmosphere and has the ability to maneuver.
    1. +5
      11 January 2020 08: 36
      Quote: Pessimist22
      As I understand it, Vanguard is an ICBM, only the BB is equipped with an engine that turns on after entering the dense atmosphere and has the ability to maneuver.


      Not really, the Vanguard is actually a BB, the ICBM itself is old, kind, tested by the UR-100. On the account of what exactly maneuvering is achieved - with the engine or with charges or rudders, or with everyone at once - nothing is known for sure ..
      1. 0
        12 January 2020 12: 34
        This UR-100 has a warhead mass of 800 kg and a warhead power of 500 kt. Question: and if you teach how to maneuver this warhead, maybe it will be cheaper than vanguard to fence?
        1. +1
          12 January 2020 12: 36
          so figuratively speaking - that's what they taught) The avant-garde is now called ..
  11. bar
    +1
    11 January 2020 08: 31
    Given the mass of other strategic weapons, such a number of hypersonic systems cannot significantly increase the risks for the United States.

    Is logical. There is nowhere to significantly raise, and so the total scribe expects. Vanguard more, avant-garde less ....
    1. +3
      11 January 2020 16: 09
      Quote: bar
      There’s nowhere to substantially raise

      Well, don't tell me! The vanguard "zeroes" the existing and future Yankee missile defense systems. And the greenery is thrown into them - not lards, but trillics, you probably need to count!
      Quote: U-58
      we rest on the state of the economies of the racing countries.

      Yes, with the housekeeper we have a solid ... "liberalism"! The task is to prevent the country from being dragged into another arms race. But the hegemon cannot leave the love of Russia and China for him "unrequited". Therefore, the race will be. It has already started at the VKS. But the amas have not yet created (invented) anything like that, so there is no signal to unwind the flywheel of the US military-industrial complex ... Where they are strong (navy, aviation), they stick without stopping, but with the VKS-ICBM-GZO they have a problem. ..Therefore, they can’t give out anything yet. But they are fighting over it ... trying to steal, outbid, develop-pile ... While by the cashier. But how long will this last?
      And then what? Armagidets? And talk about the fact that few people from the Bilderberg Club also want to live there. They need to keep 1 billion of the living people alive 7. Therefore, circumcision will not end here. A pandemic or TMV - this is for them a real way out of the current situation with the population of the Earth. And this is not conspiracy theology, but the realities of today.
      IMHO.
      1. 0
        12 January 2020 12: 37
        Vanguard "nullifies" the existing and future missile defense systems

        It "zeroes" their missile defense only at the end of the trajectory. And in the acceleration and space sections, they will not be zeroed at all.
        1. +3
          12 January 2020 14: 36
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          It "zeroes" their missile defense only at the end of the trajectory. And in the acceleration and space sections, they will not be zeroed at all.

          1. The final section is out of discussion ...
          2. Acceleration section over the territory of the Russian Federation, because the division with the Vanguards is deployed in Siberia, near the border with Kazakhstan ... Therefore, when the ICBM enters the astro-correction and dilution area of ​​the BB, only the missile defense echelon can get it. The Pentagon’s main efforts are now directed at this ... There the main frontier of the arms race begins.
          1. -6
            12 January 2020 18: 59
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            only space missile defense can get it


            Maneuvering hypersound is bullshit for fools. And they do not spend any billions, trilliards, in response to what, cartoons?
            1. +5
              12 January 2020 19: 02
              Quote: KrokodilGena
              Maneuvering hypersound is bullshit for fools. And they do not spend any billions, trilliards, in response to what, cartoons?

              Sir, do not carry nonsense: stop
              - "cartoons" can not be adopted and put on alert! Yes
              1. -3
                18 January 2020 13: 23
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                - "cartoons" can not be adopted and put on alert!

                In the Russian era of the Putin era, everything is possible and cartoons to be adopted, if necessary for your own PR. And hypersonic maneuvering in dense layers of the atmosphere is, I repeat, nonsense for nerds with 3 classes of education.
                1. +2
                  18 January 2020 14: 05
                  Quote: KrokodilGena
                  And hypersonic maneuvering in dense layers of the atmosphere is, I repeat, nonsense for nerds with 3 classes of education.

                  Well, since you are such an academician, read about the properties of cold plasma in dense layers of the atmosphere ...
                  Physicist you are our homegrown!
                  1. +2
                    18 January 2020 14: 26
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    Well, since you are such an academician

                    Colleague, it is a sin to laugh at the wretched (s).

                    And so - I join, if you do not mind, essno.
                    1. +1
                      18 January 2020 14: 28
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      If you do not mind, essno.

                      Is it possible to object to the arguments of reason?
                      Especially I do not mind!
  12. 0
    11 January 2020 08: 41
    Who waited and will argue - Until a tub of cold water is poured onto the mattress mats, be it the avant-garde, or another weapon of Russia, the mattress makers will not realize their helplessness and will become impudent further. Russia has shown them several times, using the example of the Donald Cooks, that, if necessary, it can completely disable all American systems and calmly destroy targets. But they all the same itch, all the same climb and climb to the borders of Russia like cockroaches!
  13. -2
    11 January 2020 09: 12
    In the end, the fate of START-3 and 4 is decided by the American military-industrial complex.
    Rejecting the treaty will bring him a hundred billion dollars in profits in the production of new missiles, submarines, skimming bombs and other nuclear "fittings".
    If for Russia such activity is a long-term financial and economic strain, which affects both pensions and medicine with education, then for necromancers such expenses are only a refusal from not the most significant part of the budget.
    That is, as always, we rest against the state of the economies of the racer countries.
    Our economy is steadily (almost wrote "systematically"))) is destroying and, as a result, collapsing.
    American- is developing in its paradigm.
    Will we pass the test for
    "weak" in the next 15-30 years ???
    1. -1
      11 January 2020 16: 17
      Most of our budget is spent not on the defense industry - but on completely different directions
      so that there are funds to defend the defense order, in which case, they can be removed from the first line of expenses.
      1. 0
        12 January 2020 09: 20
        So you have confirmed my idea: to increase defense spending, we need to REMOVE funds from one part of the budget (thereby weakening it) and redirecting them to another ..
        I wrote about that.
        Necromancers are able to produce a mass of new expensive weapons WITHOUT any noticeable infringement of the budget in all other respects
  14. 0
    11 January 2020 09: 22
    . a complex with characteristics of such a level will significantly increase the potential of Russian strategic forces, which are already quite powerful
    in principle, the possibility of multiplicity annihilating each other increases!
    Wherever you throw, we will crash all, if that.
  15. -1
    11 January 2020 11: 49
    based on what all these comparisons and reasoning, the feeling that everyone around are carriers of owls. secret information on the technical characteristics of the fact that there are no sane photos ... Solid, I believe I do not believe, and here are the conclusions ...
    1. +1
      12 January 2020 13: 00
      Who here correctly said "the more" secret "the crap, the more you believe in it"
  16. +1
    11 January 2020 12: 11
    Existing US missile defense elements are worthless. They will not be able to intercept even the warheads of Topol and Yars. The missile defense that Vanguard must break through is not even mentioned. And that means taking the Vanguards into service from this point of view is premature. It was politically advantageous to announce that the Vanguards were intended to break through the missile defense, which was done. But if, in addition, the Vanguards still possess the ability of a first disarming strike, no one would ever speak. It is not profitable. But why then hurry up with their deployment. If this is due to this, then I am personally quite satisfied.
  17. +7
    11 January 2020 12: 27
    However, the newspaper cites the opinion that there are no particular risks associated with Avangard. She quotes the executive director of the Association of Supporters of Arms Control in the United States, Daryl J. Kimball, who points out that no more than a few dozen Vanguards have been deployed in Russia.

    After this phrase, you can stop reading. All the "opinions" of all the declared experts indicate that all their constructions are based on the newspaper articles themselves and have a very distant relationship to reality. Well, the last picture given in the article with bypassing the KUG ABM zone is generally a masterpiece ...

    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    Not really, the Vanguard is actually a BB, the ICBM itself is old, kind, tested by the UR-100. On the account of what exactly maneuvering is achieved - with the engine or with charges or rudders, or with everyone at once - nothing is known for sure ..

    Old good UR-100N UTTX, dear 2 Level Advisor. UR-100 (8K84) and UR-100N UTTH (15A35) are still completely different missiles of different generations.

    Quote: U-58
    In the end, the fate of START-3 and 4 is decided by the American military-industrial complex.
    Rejecting the treaty will bring him a hundred billion dollars in profits in the production of new missiles, submarines, skimming bombs and other nuclear "fittings".
    If for Russia such activity is a long-term financial and economic strain, which affects both pensions and medicine with education, then for necromancers such expenses are only a refusal from not the most significant part of the budget.
    That is, as always, we rest against the state of the economies of the racer countries.
    Our economy is steadily (almost wrote "systematically"))) is destroying and, as a result, collapsing.
    American- is developing in its paradigm.
    Will we pass the test for
    "weak" in the next 15-30 years ???

    The fate of the START-3 treaty is actually decided by the American military-industrial complex. And due to the problems now existing, it can be said with almost 100% certainty that the START-3 treaty will remain (will not cease to exist). And it will certainly be rolled over. But by the year 2027, the question may arise about the new START-4 treaty.
    1. +2
      11 January 2020 12: 36
      Quite rightly respected Vladimir, was inaccurate hi
  18. +1
    11 January 2020 12: 30
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Existing US missile defense elements are worthless. They will not be able to intercept even the warheads of Topol and Yars.


    Sergey, the US missile defense can now intercept missiles .. I think it’s even possible and the Vanguard ... The question is, how many pieces can intercept at the same time?
    1 avant-garde? maybe .. 3-5-7 poplars? everything is possible! with a massive impact of several hundred BBs - this missile defense is like a dead poultice, I think the ABM is generally more against Un and others who have a maximum of several ICBMs and are calculated in the future ...
  19. +4
    11 January 2020 12: 57
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Existing US missile defense elements are worthless. They will not be able to intercept even the warheads of Topol and Yars.

    I agree with the post of respected Level 2 Expert Advisor.

    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    Sergey, the US missile defense can now intercept missiles .. I think it’s even possible and the Vanguard ... The question is, how many pieces can intercept at the same time?
    1 avant-garde? maybe .. 3-5-7 poplars? everything is possible! with a massive impact of several hundred BBs - this missile defense is like a dead poultice, I think the ABM is generally more against Un and others who have a maximum of several ICBMs and are calculated in the future ...

    He basically answered you. Existing missile defense systems in principle unable to fend off a more or less massive blow. The current missile defense system based on missile interception is capable of intercepting only individual targets. It is difficult to judge the quantity, but we are talking about a maximum of ten goals, hardly more.
    The current US missile defense system based on GBI interceptor missiles has a probability of hitting the EMNIP target of about 0,85-0,9. And this means that when calculating for a 100% target hit, 3-4 interceptors should be used. In theory. In practice, one target can be shot down by one kinetic interceptor.
    But now we are talking about theory. Our heavy rocket "Voevoda" has 10 warheads, 4 "seats" for heavy decoys. We will not count anything else. There will be 10 warheads and 4 heavy decoys. A total of 14 "blocks" plus a dilution step. A total of 15 goals. Taking into account the probability of intercepting one target by 3-4 interceptor missiles, the GBI interceptor missiles deployed by the Americans are barely enough to intercept one Voevoda. If we consider that the Americans are implementing the situation "one target - one kinetic interceptor", then the interceptor missiles will be enough to intercept as many as two "Voevod".
    Believe me, the same thing is with us in the missile defense system of the Moscow Industrial Region. The system was designed by EMNIP to intercept 14-16 paired targets. I.e HUNDRED INTERCONNECTORS WITH NUCLEAR BATTLES could theoretically intercept 28-32 targets. But an interceptor with a nuclear warhead is not an interceptor with kinetic warheads. When, as a warhead, a nuclear charge, a collision between a target and an interceptor is not necessary

    In addition, Vanguard's capabilities are highly questionable. There have been no full-fledged tests of this system. In theory, it can make lateral maneuvers and "bypass" stationary missile defense zones, which will have short-range interceptors, but they are unlikely to be able to break through with a 100% guarantee the missile defense system. To create additional problems for the missile defense system is yes, but no more
    1. -2
      11 January 2020 16: 27
      Most likely, the Vanguard has a maneuvering delivery stage, just aimed at overcoming the missile defense block of a large radius and altitude.
  20. +4
    11 January 2020 13: 31
    Quote: Hunter 2
    And earlier this news pleased that the Vanguard was put on combat duty good ... well, and after the complete failure of the Mattresses in Iraq - the Persians who failed to repel the blow ... In general, it became somehow calmer in the World (with Vanguard)!
    Well, X-Perds - let them continue to guess on the coffee grounds, tarot cards and look into the magic ball wink ... Real TTX of the Vanguard - it won’t give them! Yes

    Funny. lol Expert. wassat
  21. +2
    11 January 2020 15: 40
    Well, thank God. Thought again useful.
  22. +2
    11 January 2020 15: 52
    It's fun to read about how they calm themselves)))
  23. +1
    11 January 2020 16: 47
    Specialist of the Naval Academy of Norway Ina Holst-Pedersen Kwam(C)
    We don’t need such people !!! laughing
  24. 0
    11 January 2020 16: 54
    First of all, there are certain doubts about the possibility of creating hypersonic weapons with all the declared characteristics and capabilities.(C)
    "Esche you say that bydto came up with words on the wire to transmit? I wonder if boots and samovars can be transmitted by wire?" (C) AP Chekhov "Letter to a learned neighbor"
  25. +4
    11 January 2020 20: 16
    laughing "Avangard" combat duty: assessments of foreign media outlets - how can you evaluate "cartoons" from Putin? laughing
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  27. 0
    13 January 2020 13: 26
    Judging by the strange drawing, the "expeditors" do not understand what the trajectory profile of this type of glider is

    And you also need to understand that instead of 10 blocks and false targets, only one combat block is delivered to the object - i.e. it’s not a mass strike weapon, it’s a scalpel for hitting protected missile defense facilities.
    There are so many maneuvering blocks that are guaranteed to hit the protected missile defense facilities - command posts, naval bases, and important infrastructure.