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Canadian intelligence data on the fall of the Boeing of the Ukrainian airline in Iran

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A few hours after the disaster with the Ukrainian Boeing in the area of ​​Tehran's international airport, Western intelligence agencies have already provided a preliminary report on versions of what happened. And we are talking about intelligence data from several states at once: the USA, Canada, as well as countries of the European Union. This was reported by Reuters.


Canadian intelligence notes that no external impact on the aircraft was recorded. This is an important statement, especially based on the fact that initially in a number of media there were notes about the Iranian military allegedly attacking the Boeing of the Ukrainian airline UIA.

The Reuters news agency writes that, according to Western intelligence, the technical factor became the cause of the crash. By the way, this is the version that sounded originally.

Canadian and American sources say that there is evidence of overheating of one of the aircraft's engines. This led to a fire and subsequent aviation disaster. It is additionally noted that the cause of the spread of fragments over an area of ​​several hectares could be a fire of fuel and an explosion that occurred on the basis of this factor.

Recall that on board the aircraft were 176 people. Of these, 9 crew members (citizens of Ukraine). All flying on board Tehran-Kiev died.

In Iran, a board with investigators who arrived from Kiev landed today.

It should be noted that many foreign carriers, in connection with the difficult situation in the region, decided to abandon flights in the airspace of Iran and Iraq.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 9 January 2020 07: 41
    +7
    I think that the version of untimely maintenance or machinations with aircraft engine repair in order to "save money" is the most realistic. In Ukrainian civil aviation, this is now a common practice.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 January 2020 07: 52
      -34
      Of course, by accident, they put a valve in the other direction.
      and no one shot from a private house, near the airport, on the eve of a full-scale war
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 9 January 2020 08: 09
        +6
        When finally the famous Hiley Likely appears ... I look forward to this time the West hanging on Iran ... probably the machinations of the Martians recruited by SAVAK.
        1. krot
          krot 9 January 2020 09: 12
          +10
          in a number of media there were notes about the Iranian military allegedly striking the Boeing of the Ukrainian airline UIA

          It is strange that Russia was not accused ..
          1. cniza
            cniza 9 January 2020 10: 22
            +14
            Still, as they say it is not evening, they will try to blame Iran and Russian weapons ...
            1. krot
              krot 9 January 2020 20: 40
              +3
              Newsweek Announces Allegedly Possible Accidental Tor Attack on Ukrainian Boeing in Iran

              Well, yes, everything is like a carbon copy:
              Quote: cniza
              Still, as they say it is not evening, they will try to blame Iran and Russian weapons ...
              laughing
              1. cniza
                cniza 9 January 2020 20: 52
                +4
                And what, they are already discussing this topic in full, Russia is to blame ...
            2. for
              for 10 January 2020 06: 42
              0
              Quote: cniza
              Still, as they say it is not evening, they will try to blame Iran and Russian weapons.

              And for this they invited the USA and Canada to the commission.
          2. major147
            major147 9 January 2020 11: 22
            +4
            Quote: krot
            It is strange that Russia was not accused ..

            Everything has its time....
          3. Oleg1263
            Oleg1263 9 January 2020 11: 29
            +2
            Already in the morning, a BelingCat representative said, like fragments of a rocket from Thor were found in the photo ... HZ, what is it ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 9 January 2020 12: 34
              +9
              Belingcat is a well-known fake garbage dump, at the "high-like" they will at least say about the arrival of the Martians ...
          4. Siberian
            Siberian 9 January 2020 12: 01
            +2
            It is strange that Russia was not accused ..
            Yesterday tyagnibok distinguished himself "about the Iranian-Russian air defense"
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 9 January 2020 17: 08
              +4
              Quote: sibiryk
              Yesterday tyagnibok distinguished himself "about the Iranian-Russian air defense"

              hi
              This vile one should understand the obvious (although what it is in the absence of brains) - Iran does not have Russian air defense systems, he at one time refused to buy them from us. The other day, Russia offered them to Iran again, based on the current situation, but there is no answer from Tehran yet. So do not care what the ruin earhooks say. yes
              1. ma-monthly
                ma-monthly 9 January 2020 18: 36
                -1
                That's right, Iran’s air defense systems are rather Iranian-Chinese
                https://topwar.ru/115984-pvo-islamskoy-respubliki-iran-chast-2.html
          5. Dr. Serg
            Dr. Serg 9 January 2020 12: 40
            +9
            There is already fresh gossip - the plane was shot down with the help of the Thor, which was put by Russia, respectively, Putin personally programmed a rocket!
            1. major147
              major147 9 January 2020 16: 19
              +4
              Quote: Dr.Serg
              Putin personally programmed a rocket!

              Moreover, he was just in that direction!
              1. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 9 January 2020 19: 42
                +1
                I reprogrammed GPS coordinates of the flight from the mobile phone laughing .
          6. Yura
            Yura 9 January 2020 14: 10
            0
            Quote: krot
            It is strange that Russia was not accused ..

            Yes, it seems that at the moment they do not need this, so in a sense, the sky has become free for their missiles, bombers and fighters:
            It should be noted that many foreign carriers, in connection with the difficult situation in the region, decided to abandon flights in the airspace of Iran and Iraq.
            They consider it necessary, another Boeing or any other one will crash, they have a favorite topic, run-in more than once, the texts with the accusations are ready, the templates on the paper have turned yellow from the time of the South Korean that was still shot down (by whom?).
            1. mikstepanenko
              mikstepanenko 9 January 2020 20: 48
              +1
              About the South Korean Boeing. Read Michel Bruno's book The Sakhalin Incident. This is a French journalist, but he is a former military pilot and understands the nuances of aviation. There was a mini war, at least five cars were shot down, all the American military. From the wreckage, he even identified the types. But that very passenger was not among them. He contacted for an hour after he was "shot down", after which he was really destroyed. How exactly, there are options. Most likely shot down by a Japanese fighter to cover up his tracks. Michel Bruno found the wreckage of this aircraft (foam) on the coast of half of Japan, while the current there is from south to north.
              1. Yura
                Yura 9 January 2020 21: 06
                0
                Thank you, I read everything I could reach on this topic, just a few years ago I was interested in finding out all the details of this incident, I will thank Michel Bruno for the reminder separately, I will definitely read it again. Well, exactly the same, you are right, "look into yesterday's day to find out what awaits you tomorrow."
          7. your1970
            your1970 9 January 2020 17: 36
            0
            Quote: Thrall
            I think that the version of untimely maintenance or machinations with aircraft engine repair in order to "save money" is the most realistic. In Ukrainian civil aviation, this is now a common practice.
            - taking into account the fact that Boeing is "zero" (2016 onwards !!!!) - what nafig machinations with repair ??????
            1. your1970
              your1970 9 January 2020 17: 59
              0
              Iran's first report on the causes of the disaster
              https://www.cao.ir/news/organizatioal/detail?public_content=27450&title=گزارش-اوليه-بررسي-سانحه--پرواز-752--شرکت-هواپيمايي-اکرايني-منتشر-شد

              and this is about not rockets causing the fall
              https://www.cao.ir/news/organizatioal/detail?public_content=27452&title=طرح-احتمال-برخورد-موشک-به-هواپيما-غير-علمي-است
        2. eklmn
          eklmn 10 January 2020 02: 07
          0
          “When will the famous Hiley Likely finally appear ... I look forward to ...”
          You're welcome! Here today:
          US and Canadian officials said it was “very likely” that the crash of an anti-aircraft missile crashed a Boeing 737 aircraft operated by Ukraine’s International Airlines in Iran, killing all 176 people on board. Two U.S. officials, anonymously referring to U.S. intelligence, told the Associated Press that the plane might have been mistaken for a threat.
          Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters on Thursday that intelligence from several sources indicates that the plane was shot down. At least 63 Canadians were on the plane.
          “Evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian ground-to-air missile,” Trudeau said.
          https://time.com/5761206/iran-plane-crash/

          I would like to see a group portrait of satisfied people after reading the conclusion made by Iran:
          “The plane of Ukrainian airlines Boeing 737 crashed due to engine fire, because due to lack of orig. details Ukraine stuck there something of its own, wooden. ”
        3. Cut Samshitov
          Cut Samshitov 10 January 2020 07: 17
          0
          Quote: The same Lech
          When finally the famous Hiley Likely appears ... I look forward to this time the West hanging on Iran ... probably the machinations of the Martians recruited by SAVAK.

          Ukraine + Boeing = Provocation
        4. Omskgasmyas
          Omskgasmyas 11 January 2020 04: 49
          0
          So it was at first. A Canadian Foam Glass at the mouth was broadcasting about a rocket. Now, suddenly, the rocket has disappeared.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 January 2020 07: 56
      +17
      And how many disasters did we have right after repair or prevention? We can say that the repair is not a guarantee from, but a prerequisite for disaster.
      1. bk316
        bk316 9 January 2020 20: 06
        +1
        And how many disasters did we have right after repair or prevention?

        It is very possible. How much has already explained that any modernization and even scheduled repair is a risk factor. First of all, due to the human factor. Here surgeons forget the clamps in the operated room, despite the fact that the team always works. You think it’s difficult to forget the screwdriver under the engine cover, and it will creep in a few days from vibration to the turbine.
      2. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 10 January 2020 03: 53
        +1
        The arms race is gaining momentum, and the information war is in full swing, in the war all means are good and woe to the vanquished.
    3. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 9 January 2020 08: 11
      +5
      Quote: Thrall
      MOT or machinations with aircraft engine repair in order to "save" is the most real.

      It was a new plane. Production 2016. We had to try to ditch him. Although the frames show how the engine burns.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 08: 24
        +2
        Quote: Siberia 75
        Quote: Thrall
        MOT or machinations with aircraft engine repair in order to "save" is the most real.

        It was a new plane. Production 2016. We had to try to ditch him. Although the frames show how the engine burns.

        There is a video on the site where the engine burns on a Boeing at Ben Gurion Airport.
        1. Siberia 75
          Siberia 75 9 January 2020 08: 27
          -3
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          There is a video on the site where the engine burns on a Boeing at Ben Gurion Airport.

          So you think the problem is in the Boeing itself? Boldly
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 08: 44
            +6
            Quote: Siberia 75
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            There is a video on the site where the engine burns on a Boeing at Ben Gurion Airport.

            So you think the problem is in the Boeing itself? Boldly
            Avam need terrorists, not to eat ....? Browse WIKI, although it’s still a garbage can in terms of koment, but the info is streamlined and deserves attention.
            Quote: Siberia 75
            On March 12, 2019, airspace was closed for the Boeing 737 MAX: Germany, France, Austria, Great Britain, and later all EU states. Suspended operation of the aircraft until the causes of the disaster were clarified Vietnam, Indonesia, Mongolia, Oman, Russia, Kazakhstan and Singapore. On March 13, the United States was the last, by order of President Donald Trump, to prohibit the operation of all modifications of the Boeing 737 MAX.
            1. Siberia 75
              Siberia 75 9 January 2020 09: 10
              +6
              I am not a specialist in the civilian aircraft industry, but according to information, the crashed plane was the Boeing 737 Next Generation 800. This is a different generation than the MAX
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 January 2020 10: 33
            +5
            Quote: Siberia 75
            So you think the problem is in the Boeing itself? Boldly

            Yes Easy.
            "There were few" revelations "of the regulators (FAA), so the new management of Boeing decided to become" holier than the Pope ": it was announced that an internal audit was initiated there, which revealed another flaw in the 737MAX aircraft. that there is a danger of a short circuit, which in turn leads ... again to the rearrangement of the stabilizer for a dive! That is, to what caused two 737s to crash in the past year. It is stated that they will have to shift the wiring to 800 standing ones. " at the fence "737MAX. Not only that. The same wiring defect was found on the previous generation Boeing - 737-700 and 737-800."
          3. gurzuf
            gurzuf 9 January 2020 12: 32
            +3
            Like, does the Boeing have no problems? Storyteller.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 January 2020 08: 42
        +3
        Quote: Siberia 75
        It was a new plane. Production 2016. We had to try to ditch him. Although the frames show how the engine burns.

        It seems that the Boeing product hasn't worked out something.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 9 January 2020 09: 31
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Siberia 75
          It was a new plane. Production 2016. We had to try to ditch him. Although the frames show how the engine burns.

          It seems that the Boeing product hasn't worked out something.

          Rukozhopov it did not modify, which carried out repairs.
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 9 January 2020 09: 25
        +2
        Quote: Siberia 75
        We had to try to ditch him.
        At the first scheduled maintenance.
      4. mikstepanenko
        mikstepanenko 9 January 2020 20: 54
        +1
        These machines ALREADY had problems due to software failures. So the possibility of spontaneous (or externally controlled) transition of the engine to a mode of operation in which it is simply obliged to catch fire is not ruled out. And the state of the engine does not matter.
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    5. Graz
      Graz 9 January 2020 08: 17
      +3
      I only read a couple of weeks ago, in the United States, aircraft like Saudi origin were sentenced to like 4 years in prison, he was dissatisfied with his salary, and he chemicalized the equipment there on planes, thereby creating the threat of a flight accident, since the pilot noticed the problem during the test, and then from the video recordings they installed a pest, plus I remember the bomb carried by our aircraft by the technical services in Egypt.
      The situation is very similar.
    6. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 08: 21
      -4
      Quote: Thrall
      I think that the version of untimely maintenance or fraud with aircraft engine repair in order to "save money" is the most realistic one.

      You are not on the site? request The machine is new 2016-2017 (in any case, everyone claims, in this case, the model)
    7. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 January 2020 08: 22
      0
      I think that the version of untimely maintenance or fraud with aircraft engine repair in order to "save money" is the most realistic one.

      In the video from the crash site, two consecutive claps of engines are visible ...
    8. Jarserge
      Jarserge 9 January 2020 08: 30
      -1
      UIA (ukraine international airlines, Kolomoisky's company) is famous for its "economy"
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 9 January 2020 09: 27
        +2
        Quote: Jarserge
        famous for its "economy"
        Maybe frugality?
    9. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 08: 36
      -1
      On March 12, 2019, airspace was closed for the Boeing 737 MAX: Germany, France, Austria, the United Kingdom, and later all EU states.
    10. BAI
      BAI 9 January 2020 08: 36
      +1
      the version of untimely maintenance or machinations with aircraft engine repair in order to "save" is the most real.

      It is this version that is discarded by experts - too high image losses and Boeing’s control can be caught.
    11. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 9 January 2020 08: 44
      +1
      Quote: Thrall
      In Ukrainian civil aviation, this is now a common practice.

      C'mon, are you so familiar with the question? - that is, falling Ukrainian civilian aircraft is also a common thing ?!
    12. Undecim
      Undecim 9 January 2020 09: 19
      +9
      In Ukrainian civil aviation, this is now a common practice.
      The desire to blurt out something towards Ukraine is understandable, but are you capable of confirming your information with something?
      Yesterday's accident in Ukrainian passenger aircraft is the first in 18 years.
      1. A fruit
        A fruit 9 January 2020 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: Undecim
        In Ukrainian civil aviation, this is now a common practice.
        The desire to blurt out something towards Ukraine is understandable, but are you capable of confirming your information with something?
        Yesterday's accident in Ukrainian passenger aircraft is the first in 18 years.


        Zdrasti!
        A true comment, but you forgot about Ukraine Air Alliance, a charter with five dead, an emergency landing near the village of Sokolniki,
        October 2019.
    13. qQQQ
      qQQQ 9 January 2020 09: 26
      -12
      In my opinion, everything indicates that it was shot down by a missile, and not MANPADS, but rather powerful enough. Hence the emergency reconciliation of all, the Americans do not inflate the scandal, Iran ceases to take revenge. The question, whose rocket, it may well be that the Iranians have beguiled, maybe some kind of drone was not there, or maybe the Americans filled up this trick with a civilian airplane quite traditional (Donbass, Sakhalin). The main goal is achieved, everyone urgently stopped pumping.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 9 January 2020 20: 25
        -1
        Quote: qqqq
        In my opinion, everything indicates that it was shot down by a missile, and not MANPADS, but rather powerful enough.

        That is, do not exclude F-22? Well, to scare the Iranians again, how cool we Americans are! Wherever you want to fly, whom do you want to finish off ...
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 10 January 2020 14: 38
          0
          Quote: Oo sarcasm
          That is, do not exclude F-22?

          I think more that the Iranians themselves shot down, I’ll immediately make a reservation, without any claim to them, the time is not calm and other people’s drones might have been spinning there, but there were always cases of downing of your own while maintaining the database, starting from Puers and ending with our plane in Syria . To establish a more or less tolerable interaction between air defense and civilians could only in the USSR, and then it is closer to decay.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 10 January 2020 15: 32
            -1
            Yeah, everyone just thinks how to beat their own, so that strangers are afraid.
            Rather, it looks like a petty Irish meanness - they flew up, and fired on the very first take-off plane. Not to take revenge. Just shit. The Americans are in the blood.
            To remind about garlands from the ears of the Viet Cong, and human skulls, a gift to loved ones from Vietnam?
            1. qQQQ
              qQQQ 10 January 2020 15: 38
              0
              Quote: Oo sarcasm
              Yeah, everyone just thinks how to beat their own, so that strangers are afraid.

              Yes, this is not a matter of wanting or not wanting, no one is immune from accident. I was sitting at the radar (military air defense), the mark about the target is a line of a 3-5 mm pencil, how to distinguish a civilian board from a military one is only in advertising brochures, you can assume about the character by the size of the mark and its "fatness", but this is only with a lot of experience, and then only assumptions. And for all my dislike for the United States, I think that their only fault is that there could be their drones in that area, neither the United States nor Iran had any intentions to shoot down a civilian aircraft.
    14. kubash66
      kubash66 9 January 2020 09: 31
      +7
      Specialist sober
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 9 January 2020 11: 13
        -4
        Quote: Kubash66
        Specialist sober

        Politeness is so rushing - this is in the first place, and secondly - can you name a lot of fires in an airplane engine when the crew could not even make a sound?
    15. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 January 2020 19: 28
      +1
      I have never heard of any major successes of Canadian intelligence. And here on you, some storyteller with an embassy cover - "gave the mountain" information.
  2. pilot69
    pilot69 9 January 2020 07: 46
    +26
    Data on the causes of the crash will easily be given by the "black boxes" of the aircraft, um, unless, of course, preliminary "explanatory work" is carried out with it No. By the way, I have one word combination "Canadian intelligence" associated with "British scientists"?
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 9 January 2020 07: 50
      +5
      You're right
      No wonder the Americans so insistently demand these same * black boxes *.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 January 2020 08: 45
        +4
        Quote: Vasily50
        No wonder the Americans so insistently demand these same * black boxes *.

        This is already alarming. Janics are not one of those guys who do good.
    2. cost
      cost 9 January 2020 07: 57
      +2
      Canadian intelligence data on the fall of the Boeing of the Ukrainian airline in Iran

      Which one? In Canada there are 3 of them:
      Canadian Foreign Intelligence Service - Department of National Defense and Canadian Forces (C2)
      Canadian Intelligence and Security Service - Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS)
      Canadian Criminal Intelligence Service - Criminal Intelligence Service Canada (CSIC)
      1. cost
        cost 9 January 2020 08: 05
        +6
        I rummaged through all the Canadian news. I did not understand where the legs were growing from. The only thing, according to Reuters, was that a man who introduced himself as a member of the Canadian intelligence services on condition of anonymity consistently talked with representatives of several publications and voiced this information to them
    3. beeper
      beeper 9 January 2020 08: 03
      +6
      Bravo, fellow colleague of Pilot69! good You correctly noticed the emerging, not only you alone, "spontaneous association" with the words "Canadian intelligence"! yes
      It seems that it will become a fresh (not so much "worn out" and ridiculed, like "British scientists") "Internet meme", like "flounder"! smile
      "Tricky" remote control units "from outside the cockpit" in Boeing presumably existed even before the tragedy of 11.09.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX (after which, as it were, they are already "legally" installed, at the request of the US security services), so everything may not be so "accidentally" with this too "timely" plane crash!
      1. pilot69
        pilot69 9 January 2020 08: 48
        +5
        Well, Duc tapericha to "serve in the intelligence" of academy schools does not need to be completed laughing Learned a textbook on palmistry - go ahead fellow And if you still know how to slob a finger and poke into the sky, then one way - to the director, or even to the president!
    4. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 9 January 2020 08: 17
      +5
      Quote: pilot69
      By the way, I have one word combination "Canadian intelligence" associated with "British scientists"?

      Fine, right on target good
    5. bar
      bar 9 January 2020 08: 41
      +2
      The Iranians seem to have refused to hand over black boxes striped. They themselves will study.
    6. T.Henks
      T.Henks 9 January 2020 09: 28
      +1
      You are the first who voiced aloud. It will soon become (as it will be in Russian) a meme!
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 9 January 2020 09: 38
        +1
        I think that it would be more logical to study as many black boxes as possible. Then we can hope for an objective result.
    7. Alex_You
      Alex_You 9 January 2020 11: 23
      -1
      The black boxes are bye bye, lost.
  3. Olegater
    Olegater 9 January 2020 07: 48
    0
    Good morning Dear forum users !!!!!!!

    So the information arrived about the technical failure of this airliner, and not about the Iranian air defense attack. Even Canadian and American intelligence agencies (and they have never been for Iran) have confirmed a technical failure! And then a second moment arises. This site has already talked about how many versions of the crash. The first and foremost for Iran’s opponents fell away, the second appeared. Here a technical glitch could be as fine-tuned (only who needs it ????) and a combination of tragic circumstances.
    1. NKT
      NKT 9 January 2020 07: 53
      +4

      that there is evidence of overheating of one of the aircraft engines

      Strange overheating at face value.
      1. bar
        bar 9 January 2020 08: 42
        +1
        Quote: NKT
        Strange overheating at face value.

        On takeoff.
        1. NKT
          NKT 9 January 2020 08: 51
          +2
          What a take-off, an altitude of about 2500 meters was already, engines at par and a clean wing.
          1. bar
            bar 9 January 2020 08: 56
            +2
            The question is, how long was this "clean wing", and when did the fire start?
            1. NKT
              NKT 9 January 2020 09: 21
              +2
              Well, approximately, at an altitude of 1000 feet, the engines are switched to dial mode, and if the speed is 210 knots, then mechanization is also removed.
    2. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 9 January 2020 08: 12
      0
      And from which side are the Iranian air defense, the Amerov Air Force and air defense would have been more appropriate, especially since they are not the first time.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 9 January 2020 08: 37
        +1
        Quote: 75Sergey
        And from which side are Iranian air defense, here the Amerov Air Force and Air Defense would be more appropriate, all the more so for the first time.


        Due to the fact that after the escalation of the conflict with the United States, Iranian air defense systems are "in full combat" (aircraft in the air, air defense missile systems deployed) - they tried to launch a "duck" that someone could "fire by mistake".
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 9 January 2020 08: 47
        +1
        Quote: 75Sergey
        And from which side are the Iranian air defense, the Amerov Air Force and air defense would have been more appropriate, especially since they are not the first time.

        Why air defense or air force - you can just plant a bomb
    3. Air force
      Air force 9 January 2020 08: 16
      +2
      Everything is possible, but it is surprising that Western intelligence immediately gives the version that the plane crashed due to technical problems. It’s just that during all this time they have compromised themselves so much that they don’t have faith, that’s the thought that they are involved in this and give such information that they would ward off suspicion, because something went wrong and they won’t be able to blame Iran . It's just that in their traditions, even if they know the truth, they start a fake about the involvement in the incident, the country with whom they have a confrontation, for further manipulations and maneuvers, and here they immediately give out such a version, strange.
      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 9 January 2020 11: 32
        +1
        the amazing thing is that western intelligence immediately gives the version that the plane crashed due to technical problems
        ,
        and thoughts come that they are involved in this and give such information

        Are you seriously? That is, Western intelligence agencies are throwing a plane, it is not clear why they say they are shouting to the whole world that the problem is in the plane itself? Isn't it easier to blame Iran?
        1. Air force
          Air force 9 January 2020 12: 58
          +1
          You read the comment to the end or only to this place
          Quote: Air Force
          and thoughts come that they are involved in this and give such information
          You got a classic example of how to take phrases out of context. This is equivalent to what I ask you, are you serious?
          Quote: Alex_You
          Western intelligence services bring down the plane
    4. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 January 2020 08: 26
      +1
      Did everyone notice that mainly Iranians flew on a Ukrainian plane?
      1. bar
        bar 9 January 2020 08: 44
        +2
        Not counting "40 Canadian Students". By the way, what were the students doing in Iran? Have you studied Islam?
        1. Usher
          Usher 9 January 2020 11: 17
          +1
          They are Iranians, studied in Canada.
  4. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2020 07: 49
    +2
    It seems that both sides of the conflict are looking for a reason for peace ... It is a pity that this required the death of so many people.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 9 January 2020 09: 42
      +4
      Aircraft crash for various reasons, and the death of these people may be completely unrelated to the conflict.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 January 2020 07: 51
    +3
    What is Canadian intelligence? "Royal Mounted Police" - I heard, and intelligence, and even in Iran! Where is Iran, and where is Canada ... On the other hand, many Canadian citizens died ... But in reality, I did not hear about the existence of Canadian intelligence ...
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 9 January 2020 08: 05
      +12
      The most important thing for intelligence and intelligence officers is that they would not be heard or seen ... So if no one knows anything about intelligence, this is more a "plus" than a "minus" soldier
      1. cost
        cost 9 January 2020 08: 12
        +9
        Canadian intelligence - what is it? really, have not heard of the existence of Canadian intelligence ...

        If you have not heard of her, it is not a fact that she does not exist. And C2, and CSIS, and CSIC are quite famous in certain circles, and active organizations
  6. Eug
    Eug 9 January 2020 07: 52
    +6
    What is published and interpreted as openings from warhead elements may be openings from fragments of turbine blades and a compressor.
  7. Gays
    Gays 9 January 2020 08: 00
    +3
    The catastrophe is very strange and very on time. One can see the template blank for the war: a lot of casualties, a worldwide resonance, your own plane in which you can put anything you like, a convenient country in the commission of inquiry through which you can merge any misinformation. Who was this for? Perhaps as a method of pressure of some circles in the USA on others, in particular on Donald Trump. As an option, he was preparing a big notice with Iran and the plane, could be a convenient map with which he wanted to drag him into the war. However, the plane’s map has not yet been won back. The question is how Iran will behave if it finds out that something happened on board and it doesn’t
    simple engine fire.
    1. bar
      bar 9 January 2020 08: 47
      +3
      But Trump was wise and perspicacious, and did not succumb. It is only strange why, with such wisdom, he soaked Suleimani.
  8. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 9 January 2020 08: 02
    +1
    “Proceeding from the fact that initially in a number of media there were notes about the alleged attack on the Boeing of the Ukrainian airline UIA by the Iranian military.” Someone can't wait to take a sip of blood.
  9. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 9 January 2020 08: 07
    +5
    Quote: NKT

    that there is evidence of overheating of one of the aircraft engines

    Strange overheating at face value.

    Let's not throw comments on the propeller and wait for the official information. A problem with the engine could be due to a variety of reasons. Including and at face value.
    PS If in your practice there have been cases of overheating of the engine - tell us. If not, let's wait.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 9 January 2020 08: 17
      +3
      By the way, again, the board took off 2 hours late due to a malfunction identified on the ground, so it is likely that it was a tragic accident. But before the official conclusion of the commission there really is nothing to guess.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 January 2020 08: 48
        +2
        Quote: K-612-O
        By the way, again, the board took off 2 hours late due to a malfunction identified on the ground, so it is likely that it was a tragic accident.

        The conclusion is simple - "The most reliable form of horse-drawn transport." I sat down on a bull in Kiev and ride myself to Tehran.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 10: 27
      +3
      hi
      Quote: dmmyak40
      If not, let's wait.

      The most reasonable thing is to wait - there are too few introductory notes.




      It seems that the engine smashed inside and went to the fuselage and wing. We have to wait for data, too serious a topic for a simple idle talk
    3. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 10: 40
      +3
      Again hi . Iranians refuse to transfer black boxes Americans and Ukrainians - this will add reason for speculation.
      A week ago, we received a full carte blanche for refueling, so that there was freedom of maneuver, up to a 180-turn, in this region. And yesterday early in the morning, silently, they “scored” all flights in that direction.
      1. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 9 January 2020 10: 54
        +3
        Do not fly at all? To Iran or to this region? I just look on the radar over Iran. Jazeera, FlyDubai, Emirates, Qatar, Azerbaijanis, Kuwait EV, Pakistan ... A bunch of others.
        The echelon, however, occupies higher, about 12 are almost all. good
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 11: 04
          +2
          hi we didn’t fly there very much, only a few flights a day, but now we don’t go east of Cyprus at all: we immediately killed the whole region. Our capitalists were very prepared to increase flights, we wanted to open a flight to Damascus request but apparently for now it's not meant to be
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 9 January 2020 12: 10
            +4
            I am sure that you will soon begin to fly to Syria. Everything will calm down a bit, the barmaley will be cleaned, and you will fly. Anyway, good luck!
            By the way, some time ago I watched a plot on Channel 1 about the opening of regular flights from Damascus-Aleppo. Which board was the first? Boeing? Airbus? ATR? Fig you! The first was the forever young Yak-40 !!! wassat
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 12: 13
              +2
              The capitalists will not miss their chance - everyone will calm down, fly. But to our credit I must say - they do not panicky approve of any risk: spit on expenses - taking risks is not about us.
              1. dmmyak40
                dmmyak40 9 January 2020 12: 19
                +2
                In principle - everything is correct! Why take the risk? The task is to deliver passengers with good health and with luggage to the desired point. And to keep the materiel in working condition. Although sometimes it was necessary to take risks, without passengers, however.
                In the village of Sleptsovskaya, they sat down several times, nerves naughty. Once from Zelenka someone burst with a tracer shmalnul. Unpretentious, of course, but unpleasant.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 13: 27
                  +2
                  Of course, you have to risk it, but our capitalists prefer to lose money - the loss of the corps affects the image badly. I’m generally silent about the victims. In a word - our capitalists are just reasonably cowards, but it’s easier for us feel
                  1. dmmyak40
                    dmmyak40 9 January 2020 17: 10
                    +4
                    Today, for some reason, the thought of getting a bird into the engine came to my head: the height was very small, in Iran the habitat and flight route of many large birds. Golden eagles often barrage at similar heights. Well, if everything surpasses the cost.
                    Our guys ran into an eagle at 7000. The blow fell on the left window: it was partially pressed inside, the feathers and remains of the bird got into the PIC not weakly.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 17: 36
                      +2
                      It seems to me, looking back at the accompanying situation, that it would be too simple, but anything is possible. But this would raise a barrage of questions for the company: why didn’t they cope? Let's wait a bit, too few opening.
                      Our engine was turned off last year and they even managed very normally. The boss had only one complaint: why the autopilot was turned off during the call, it helps. Out of habit: on the simulator, each time approaching one engine hand to hand ...
                      1. dmmyak40
                        dmmyak40 9 January 2020 18: 00
                        +2
                        Turned off due to surge? Did you catch the bird?
                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 18: 03
                        +2
                        The loss of oil pressure in the engine, the failure was strange and also after repair, preventive actions strictly according to the instructions: unsubscribed and forgotten.
                      3. dmmyak40
                        dmmyak40 9 January 2020 19: 06
                        +3
                        (I wonder who put the minus to your post?)
                        Managed, this is the most important thing.
                        Thank God, serious failures have passed me, more or less small things. Yes, and the Yak-40 with AI-25 - reliable technology. Although the ATB also squinted: once after takeoff to Volgograd, the radio altimeter refused. Estimated the weather in Volgograd and did not return. They sat down, put the Magarych to the local technicians, they quickly looked: it turned out that our craftsmen did not fix the connector properly. ATB houses jammed on Magarych with interest! And big!
                      4. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 19: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: dmmyak40
                        I wonder who put the minus to your post?

                        When within three minutes appear Cons in all comments for the day, then I feel what's in trend lol and have my fan
                      5. dmmyak40
                        dmmyak40 9 January 2020 20: 12
                        +2
                        Talents and fans? smile
                      6. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 20: 14
                        +1
                        No, probably somewhere I did wrong in the past. The elders said - you can’t leave wounded animals ...
                      7. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 19: 15
                        +1
                        Now there are more problems with engineering than with pilots
                      8. dmmyak40
                        dmmyak40 9 January 2020 20: 14
                        +1
                        The technique has become more complicated and simpler at the same time.
  10. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 9 January 2020 08: 10
    -6
    The campaign was launched by a NATO rocket, since they began to deny it so zealously.
    Interestingly, what did our Russian satellites and radars show?
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 January 2020 08: 28
      +1
      Satellites, as well as anti-aircraft missile launchers, will not detect air defense missiles if they do not know the point of contact in advance.
  11. Professor
    Professor 9 January 2020 08: 14
    +5
    Canadian intelligence notes that no external impact on the aircraft was recorded.

    Seers !!! Otherwise, how could they come to such a conclusion, not only before obtaining the results of the investigation, but also before it began?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 January 2020 08: 16
      +9
      Seers !!! Otherwise, how could they come to such a conclusion, not only before obtaining the results of the investigation, but also before it began?

      Well, professor ... don’t you know ... White Helmets to help you ... as they say highly like.
    2. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 January 2020 08: 31
      +4
      Professor ... do you not know what means intelligence uses? )))
  12. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 08: 17
    -1
    In Iran, a board with investigators who arrived from Kiev landed today.
    Well, the guys frolic, Trump needs to be reconciled, after Poroshenko. feel
  13. knn54
    knn54 9 January 2020 08: 18
    0
    As a version, SOMEONE (and maybe not just one) had to be carefully eliminated. Perhaps speculation, but today is not the era of "classical" chivalry, but of the knights of the cloak and dagger.
    And no one canceled the "bookmarks", for example, the failure of the fire extinguishing system.
    1. beeper
      beeper 9 January 2020 08: 42
      +2
      In the history of Boeing disasters, a case is known when a broken turbine blade interrupted the fuel line, disrupting the control of the emergency valve, and it was not possible to shut off the jet of jet fuel that was pouring into the area of ​​the fire - the fire extinguishing system failed ... request
      1. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 9 January 2020 20: 16
        +1
        Tu-154 "Baikal" burned down after takeoff after the blade of the APU pierced everything that is possible and everything that is not allowed.
        1. beeper
          beeper 10 January 2020 02: 26
          0
          hi Thank you, dear comrade Dmmyak40, for a specific Case and yours, always sensible, in the case, reasonable and balanced, Comments! good
          I wish you and your loved ones health!

          A close friend of my friends, from the crew, died on the "Tehran" airliner - only now I found out about it!
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 10 January 2020 07: 51
            +1
            Thanks for the kind words. It’s a pity, of course, that they appear in a thread with such a tragic theme.
            And so, the trouble, of course. Alas, 'Memento mori'.
  14. babylon
    babylon 9 January 2020 09: 02
    +1
    Investigators arrived from Ukraine, ha ha)) most of them are most likely agents of special services of Western countries
  15. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 9 January 2020 09: 14
    +1
    Somehow too quickly, this version was voiced from the west. External influences can be different, not only in the form of missiles and shells. As a version - a drone-quadrocopter from which (the same Western intelligence agencies) watched the airport could be sucked into a turbine. I doubt that the attack on Suleymani was without illumination from the side (the same pocket copter or agents).
  16. ender
    ender 9 January 2020 09: 31
    0
    but if, with absolutely similar data, but the Iranian board fell after departure from Kiev, then the convincing: - "the Nazis shot down," would have thundered here so that Pyatnitsky's choir was jealous ..
  17. Victor1
    Victor1 9 January 2020 09: 57
    -4
    there are no such accidents.
    the plane was shot down by Americans or Jews, and shelling by the Iranians was an ideal cover for this.
    Do you think this is Iranian tourists flew to Kiev in January to Ukraine to see?
    there were scientists in the nuclear and military industries, and here the enemies of Iran killed them using Iranian same stupidity.
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 January 2020 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: Victor1
      you think it Iranian tourists flew to Kiev in January to Ukraine to see?

      og ..... did not try to read ??? fool
      "The crew was Ukrainian (13 people). Also on board were 2 passengers from Nezalezhnaya. Most of the victims were Iranians (71) and Canadians (73). According to media reports, students from Canada flew Ukrainian airlines because of the low price. They were returning to study after Christmas break. Also on board the crashed liner were eight citizens of Sweden, six citizens of Afghanistan, four citizens of Germany and three citizens of Great Britain. "
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 9 January 2020 23: 52
        0
        For the sake of curiosity, look at the list of passengers, all Canadians have Iranian names, Great Britain, Sweden and Germany too. Of the Swedes, only four with a Swedish surname: apparently the husband is a Swede, two sons and a wife with an Iranian name were on vacation with relatives. They are all just victims, that's just what ....?
  18. Vladimir
    Vladimir 9 January 2020 10: 14
    0
    It’s far from aviation, but there’s an interesting version about engine overheating, how is this possible in principle, with experienced pilots who know these countries and the climate? Missile launch or MANPADS work is too noticeable, over the region where all sorts of conflicts are taking place, I think not one hanging over this territory. I am sorry for the relatives and friends of the deceased, and I do not want to believe that they became victims in someone else's game.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 January 2020 11: 46
      -1
      The take-off took place immediately after (and during) the military operation. Iran struck military bases in Iraq and was waiting for the Americans to retaliate. All air defense was "on edge".
      The flight should have been canceled.
    2. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 9 January 2020 20: 18
      +2
      In principle, everything is possible with experienced pilots and good aircraft.
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 January 2020 11: 42
    -1
    Pieces of the fuselage are all in the holes.
    It can be:
    1) flying rivets
    2) engine blades that hit the fuselage
    3) shrapnel from the ZV rocket.
    This must be checked first.
    The crew had no connection with the airport.
    It was blocked due to a strike by the BR in Iraq earlier and fears of a retaliatory strike by the Americans.
    1. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 9 January 2020 20: 27
      +2
      Alexey, as you imagine, "
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The crew had no connection with the airport.
      ? How can a board be in flight without control? Who gave him permission to tow / launch / taxi / take off? Who gave the exit scheme? No one is ever sane in such a large a / p as Tehran will give permission to work without DPSP, DPS and other dispatch services.
    2. Liam
      Liam 9 January 2020 20: 40
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The crew had no connection with the airport

      You are driving a car, in a turn you are driven. Your actions:
      1. With both hands on the steering wheel and feet on the pedals to keep the car?
      Or
      2. Throw the steering wheel and pedals and start dialing your wife’s number to inform you that you have problems with the car?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 January 2020 23: 28
        0
        Have you ever heard of a co-pilot in the cockpit? smile
  20. eagle owl
    eagle owl 9 January 2020 11: 53
    0
    That's all they say about dviglo. But we must remember that it was the Boeing that fell. What is a Boeing? From fresh:
    There were few "revelations" of regulators (FAA), so the new leadership of Boeing decided to become "holier than the Pope": it was announced that an internal audit was initiated there, which revealed another flaw in the 737MAX aircraft. As if the wiring in the tail section is laid in such a way that there is a danger of a short circuit, which in turn leads ... again to the rearrangement of the stabilizer for a dive! That is to say, from which two 737s crashed over the past year. It is stated that they will have to shift the wiring to 800 737MAX standing "at the fence". Little of. The same wiring defect was found on the previous generation Boeing - 737-700 and 737-800.[B] [/ b]

    It looks like it's time to sell Boeing shares and buy Airbus ...
  21. Unemployed
    Unemployed 9 January 2020 12: 32
    -3
    Quote: Freeman
    1. The Boeing 737-800 was new, 2016.

    Hello, citizen Banderovets.
    Your information from Wiki? But haven't you created it?
    According to IAC, a crashed Boeing 737 was released in 1998. Not an old man, but not a beginner, he was already flying pretty well. And you are rubbing everything about the latest aircraft in every topic. I understand that they get paid, where to go. But people died ... I don’t understand how I am you. And as a mess, I understand.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 9 January 2020 20: 01
      +2
      Unemployed (Igor) Today, 12:32
      Hello, citizen Banderovets.

      Have a nice one you too.

      According to IAC, a crashed Boeing 737 was released in 1998.

      If you don't like the "wiki", then here is another "Bandera" resource - russianplanes.net
      I give a screenshot, otherwise the comment will be deleted again.

      Record added: 2017-06-13 13:39


      I understand that they get paid, where to go.

      hi Can you tell me where I can apply for a fee?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 9 January 2020 20: 22
        0
        Quote: Freeman
        Can you tell me where I can apply for a fee?

        Probably the Pentagon. recourse
        Flight 752 of Ukrainian International Airlines is believed to have been shot down by the Tor-M1 rocket-to-ground system built in Russia, known to NATO as the Gauntlet, two US and one Iraqi officials told Newsweek.

        https://www.newsweek.com/
    2. Vladimir Udovichenko
      Vladimir Udovichenko 10 January 2020 07: 55
      0
      You do not understand anything. This "Tor" was brought from Kursk, and then taken back through the Caspian Sea and the Volga-Don Canal. We drove at night. Putin personally drove the Follow me car, which was stolen at the airport. Here are those cross!
  22. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 9 January 2020 13: 57
    +1
    It is impossible for Westerners and their regimes to give black boxes, immediately empty accusations and lies will be trampled, it is necessary to solve this problem together with uninterested countries.
    1. agond
      agond 9 January 2020 17: 48
      0
      If Thor, then the warhead is 14.8 kg, the plane should have at least a wing fall off, and he almost fell to the ground.
  23. SKR-1135
    SKR-1135 9 January 2020 17: 40
    0
    It is strange that they did not say that the Russians with a blowtorch heated the same engine before departure.
  24. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 January 2020 17: 50
    0
    Such specialists are just ah and oh! At a distance, the records of the black boxes are decrypted. Such activity causes vague doubts.
  25. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 9 January 2020 18: 16
    0
    A few hours after the disaster with the Ukrainian Boeing in the area of ​​Tehran's international airport, Western intelligence agencies have already provided a preliminary report on versions of what happened. And we are talking about intelligence data from several states at once: the USA
    These are the ones that allegedly found a chemical weapon in Iraq and shook it in the UN in a vessel. It’s not known what
  26. REZMovec
    REZMovec 9 January 2020 19: 27
    0
    Quote: NKT
    What a take-off, an altitude of about 2500 meters was already, engines at par and a clean wing.

    Respected! At 2500 meters - this is a full-fledged take-off, before reaching its echelon, and having already taken the indicated altitude, they switch to the cruising flight mode and the engines are switched to the appropriate mode ... Have you, for an hour, confused the Boeing with the "cornman"?
    1. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 9 January 2020 20: 40
      +1
      2 meters is the height of work with the Approach or, most likely, the Circle (it all depends on the IPP of Tehran airport). From a height of about 500 (which FL I don’t know today, the current pilots will explain) and above Control works.
      As for the operating mode of the engines, without knowing the local conditions and the state of the board, talking about this is simply pointless. They could at face value and flaps in the set set to a certain height. If required, for example, to obtain the maximum rate of climb for the highest possible climb.
      I personally witnessed a similar situation when they took off from Antalya on the B-737-800: Bobik with mechanization released and at par (it became clear later) was gaining height very briskly. Apparently, it was necessary to quickly gain a train, because there was a terrible traffic jam on the taxiway due to a malfunction in customs.
  27. Sevastiec
    Sevastiec 10 January 2020 05: 20
    0
    What kind of intelligence? laughing laughing laughing
  28. Vladimir Udovichenko
    Vladimir Udovichenko 10 January 2020 07: 41
    0
    You don't understand anything. This "Tor" was brought from Kursk, and then taken back through the Caspian Sea and the Volga-Don Canal.
    1. Vladimir Udovichenko
      Vladimir Udovichenko 10 January 2020 07: 51
      0
      We drove at night. Putin personally drove the Follow me car, which was stolen at the airport. Here are those cross!
  29. Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 10 January 2020 08: 45
    0
    It is additionally noted that the cause of the spread of fragments over an area of ​​several hectares could be a fire and explosion

    I am not a specialist in the field of fuel explosions, but I know that a full barrel of kerosene does not explode, but burns. During takeoff, the Boeing was flooded under a traffic jam, like the Concord and it should have been the same with it.
  30. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 10 January 2020 09: 24
    0
    Canadians have their own intelligence in Iran. England has its own. America has its own. yes still NATO intelligence - aren't there spies in Iran then that’s where there is a field for tornadoes
  31. ochakow703
    ochakow703 10 January 2020 10: 02
    0
    Canadian intelligence is the most Canadian in the world! Or maybe - kanatchikova?
  32. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 10 January 2020 11: 09
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The take-off took place immediately after (and during) the military operation. Iran struck military bases in Iraq and was waiting for the Americans to retaliate. All air defense was "on edge".
    The flight should have been canceled.

    It’s correct that the flight must be beaten although it canceled for a couple of hours.
    But the first version is still the plane itself. Boeing is not all right and it is clear to the whole world.
    The second version is that a pro-Western Iranian opposition or American special forces were knocked down from the ground with MANPADS. The plane took off.
    And only the third version can be bit that some kind of American or another drone was shining behind a civilian plane.
    The Russian version could also beat that the aircraft had technical problems and when it went back to Tehran for an emergency landing its air defense shot down.
  33. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 10 January 2020 12: 37
    0
    These are eternal provocateurs ...
  34. Alexander X
    Alexander X 10 January 2020 13: 35
    -1
    But for some reason no one (I have not met) does not express the version that the Americans could have shot down the airliner, who tried to use their missile defense ... But they didn’t get there ... or vice versa, there.
  35. Charik
    Charik 10 January 2020 14: 27
    +1
    For me, Canadian intelligence is akin to British scientists and Albanian experts
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 20: 15
    0
    I remember Boeing had problems with the engine collapsed blades.
  37. Klingon
    Klingon 10 January 2020 23: 42
    0
    let's see who this time will find magnetic shoes in the closet wassat
  38. CYM
    CYM 11 January 2020 00: 03
    0
    "Shortly before the crash of the Ukrainian Boeing, the US Federal Aviation Agency closed the skies for civil aircraft over Iran, Iraq, the Persian and Oman Gulfs, notifying not only American but also European airlines. For example, the British Airways liner, which was flying at that time from London to Dubai, turned around and demanded landing in Istanbul. Other planes also changed their course after receiving the warning. And only Ukrainian flight PS752 took off from Tehran without hesitation ... "
  39. Tarasios
    Tarasios 11 January 2020 00: 49
    0
    so infa already flashed that de satellite recorded the thermal traces of two missiles fired at the Boeing?