Generalissimo Schwarzenberg: he also defeated Napoleon

Generalissimo Schwarzenberg: he also defeated Napoleon

Schwarzenberg Family Coat of Arms


Name and title oblige


12 failures by Napoleon Bonaparte. He was two years younger than the French emperor, was born in 1771. And he died a year earlier than Napoleon - in 1820. If your last name is Schwarzenberg, then you simply must take a worthy place in life and make a brilliant career. In the diplomatic, and preferably in the military field.

The genealogy of the Bohemian, that is, Czech, but actually German Schwarzenbergs, is perhaps older than the Habsburgs and Hohenzollerns, and even more so than the Romanovs. One of them, Prince Carl Philip, had to fight repeatedly against Napoleon, the greatest commander of the era, and once, in the Russian campaign, to stand under his banner. But this circumstance did not prevent the appointment of Schwarzenberg as commander in chief of the allied armies in the campaigns of 1813-1814.


Moreover, the appointment with the assignment of the title of Generalissimo, to which for some reason the Austrian monarchs were surprisingly generous. It is noteworthy that for a long time Schwarzenberg was not even shined with the rank of Field Marshal, but none other than Napoleon insisted on his assignment. Evil tongues said that this was done in gratitude for the merits of the prince during the matchmaking of the French emperor to Princess Maria Louise.

A military career was actually intended for him from the cradle, and the upbringing of the young man was appropriate - with physical exercises and a special selection of subjects during training. The young Schwarzenberg was lucky with the tutors, including field marshals Laudon and Lassi, as well as with friends, especially with Josef Ponyatovsky.

This nephew of the last king of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Stanislav, better known as one of Catherine II’s lovers, turned out to be a subject of the Habsburg crown as a result of three divisions of Poland. But he spent most of his military career under the command of the French emperor. However, two comrades received their first military experiments in battles with the Turks.

This was one of the last acts of confrontation between Western Europe and the great empire of the East in the Balkans. Further, the Ottomans were mainly Russian. In one of the battles on the territory of Slavonia (now this is the region in the east of Croatia) Poniatowski and Schwarzenberg took part in the capture of the Turkish convoy. Schwarzenberg was able to disarm one of the natives of the spag, leading the prisoner to Field Marshal Lassi.

At another time, only the help of huntsmen rescued two comrades who entered into an unequal battle with the Albanian robbers. Both young men managed to distinguish themselves during the assault on Šabac, and Schwarzenberg, who received a post at the headquarters, valiantly fought in the battle of Bebar and the assault on Belgrade.


Siege of Belgrade 1787

Schwarzenberg was only 19 years old when he received the rank of major, and the first wahmist in the ranks of the Life Guards took part in the coronation of Leopold II. This emperor of the Holy Roman Empire managed to rule it for only a year and a half, but he managed to get involved in a war with revolutionary France.

Almost the entire future career of Prince Karl Philip Schwarzenberg was somehow connected with the opposition of the Habsburgs to the French republic and the empire.

Against France and ... together with France


He was on the battlefield lost by the Austrians near Jémappe, where for the first time he was able to get acquainted directly with the power of deep French shock columns in battle. Subsequently, this experience helped Schwarzenberg in a number of battles, when he had to double, sometimes up to three times, thin Austrian lines in order to only withstand the pressure of the French.


In the battle of Gemappe, everyone noted the French commander Jourdan. Nobody knew about Schwarzenberg yet.

However, the deep structures even before Schwarzenberg were inscribed in the Austrian charters by Archduke Karl, who only after the war of 1809 ceded to the prince the vacant seat of commander in chief. But under the leadership of the most talented Austrian commander, Schwarzenberg did not fight as often as it is surprising.


Archduke Karl ceded as commander in chief Schwarzenberg

No less surprising is the fact that Schwarzenberg earned a reputation as a “master of retreats” only in his last campaigns, and before that, many had condemned him for his tendency to undue risk. A fall from a horse in one of the first French campaigns almost made the prince disabled, and it is possible that it was precisely because of the injury that Schwarzenberg became overweight very early. Is it because some memoirists considered Schwarzenberg to be too slow for the cavalry commander.

However, the first time Prussian General Blucher, who had encountered him on French soil, who was a quarter century older than Schwarzenberg, for a long time generally mistook him for one of the upstart aristocrats. However, at first there was no talk of any enmity or personal hostility, so characteristic of their relationship later. They just knew about each other, nothing more.

The prince showed his personal courage shortly after he almost broke up with the cavalryman’s career. In the case of Kato on April 26, Schwarzenberg, who was supported by the English squadrons, rushed at the head of his cuirassiers to the enemy column, bypassing the left flank of the allies. The horse attack decided the outcome of the battle, and the 23-year-old hero on the battlefield received from the hands of the Kaiser the cross of St. Theresa.

Schwarzenberg’s role in the 1796 campaign, when General Bonaparte marched victoriously across Italy and Archduke Karl drove two French armies out of the Rhine, was modest. However, he managed to distinguish himself in the composition of the arms of the Archduke near Amberg, and almost out of the blue to get the first general rank.

A major general from a noble family soon married, and for some time was busy with family affairs. He very successfully launched the next campaign in 1799, capturing the first French prisoners of war on the Rhine. Schwarzenberg, 28, had already become Field Marshal Lieutenant, but could not help out the army of Archduke Karl in the battle of Hohenlinden.


General Moreau at the Battle of Hohenlinden

His right flank was nearly cut off by General Moreau, but managed to get out of the attack. During the retreat, Schwarzenberg first showed his best qualities at the head of a rearguard, literally knocked together from disparate parts.

The Austrian commander wrote about the actions of the prince to the emperor Franz: "he turned a wild erratic escape into an organized retreat and provided the main army with a possible rest until, with his efforts, the purpose of the enemy was only to conclude a truce."

A few more peaceful years, received by Austria in the Luneville world, allowed Schwarzenberg to prove himself in the diplomatic field. He went to St. Petersburg for the coronation of the young Russian emperor Alexander. It is believed that it was he who managed to begin the restoration of friendly relations between the two powers, which almost put an end to Emperor Paul I.

A few years later, Schwarzenberg's diplomatic talents will be claimed twice more - when he had to act as a peacemaker after the war of 1809, and when Austria returned to the ranks of the anti-Napoleonic coalition after the collapse of the Russian campaign. Before going to Russia, Schwarzenberg took part in the wars of 1805 and 1809, but both general battles - at Austerlitz and Wagram, did without the direct participation of the prince.

Schwarzenberg’s regiments weren’t on the Austerlitz field due to the fact that, having escaped from the encirclement near Ulm, he took his division to Moravia, from where Murat never released it. Schwarzenberg himself arrived in the main apartment of the Allies, ardently opposed the battle, for which he paid, not having received even a regiment under command.


Four years later, from St. Petersburg, where he was again the ambassador, Schwarzenberg with great difficulty managed to get to the blood-drenched Bizamberg heights near Wagram. But he had time only by the beginning of the retreat of the army of Archduke Charles, who had suffered a serious defeat. The prince, who took command of the rearguard, again had to prove himself a "master of retreat."

He nevertheless got the opportunity to fight with the French - near Znaim, but this half-victory could no longer change anything, since Austria actually turned into a vassal of Napoleonic France. Moreover, the Habsburgs finally lost the title of emperors of the Holy Roman Empire, formally abolished by Napoleon and the Pope three years earlier.

After 1809, Schwarzenberg still had a continuation of his diplomatic career - already in Paris, and there was a terrible fire on his estate at a celebration in honor of Maria Louise, which claimed the life of his brother’s wife.

In Russia they were not expected


In the campaign of 1812, fate finally paradoxically brought two old comrades — Schwarzenberg and Poniatowski under Napoleonic banners. The Poles of Poniatowski made up the 5th Corps of the Great Army, the Austrians of Schwarzenberg - the 12th.

But at least somehow they practically did not have to interact, except for the most recent battles associated with crossing the Berezina. But by that time, Polish troops could only be considered a real stretch with a stretch.


On the school map of the campaign of 1812, the "exchange of light figures" is clearly visible

Napoleon in the Russian campaign assigned General Rainier to the Schwarzenberg with the French division, but the prince managed the almost impossible - first of all, to maintain his corps almost in full strength. But not only - the prince was able to conduct military operations so as not to set up against himself and Napoleon and, by and large, the Russians.

If you follow the chess terminology, something like a change of light pieces took place, but the confrontation with the army of Tormasov, who later gave way to Admiral Chichagov, was by no means bloodless. There were even a few almost battles, although at the walls of Kobrin the Russians did not split the Austrians, but only the Saxons.

However, the real Austrian army, that is, the 12th Corps, could not prevent the Russians from practically driving Napoleon into a trap on the banks of the Berezina. Volumes were written about how Napoleon managed to escape, more than once it was written about in Military Review ( "Berezina-1812: the last" victory "of the French in Russia").

Surprisingly, it was precisely at the end of the Russian campaign that the French emperor literally demanded a field marshal’s baton for Prince Schwarzenberg from his father-in-law, Franz I. It is possible that, acting in this way, he seriously counted on the fact that his Austrian subordinate did not dare to do anything to return Austria to the ranks of the old allies.

But the beginning of all this was laid back by the appeal of the Commander-in-Chief Prince Schwarzenberg to the Austrian army on the eve of the campaign in Russia. The text itself, how pretentious, so meaningless, as would suggest the course of action that the commander of the 1812th Corps of the Great Army chose for himself in the 12 campaign.

“The monarch’s constant desire to take care of the welfare of his subjects prompted him to order me and you to fight for the common goal with other powers. These powers are our allies, we fight along with them, but not for them. We fight for ourselves. This elected corps, entrusted entirely and exclusively to our generals, remains inseparable, I guarantee you, your commander in chief.

The best of all military virtues - devotion to the sovereign and homeland - can be experienced by unconditional self-sacrifice in the name of what, according to the circumstances of the time, the monarch considers the best to take. We can compete with all nations in courage, courage, endurance and endurance in any struggle. Even where the treachery of the Allies inflicted severe wounds on us, we acted with dignity and restored our strength. In this commitment, "we have always surpassed all our contemporaries to the emperor and the fatherland, and even in misfortune inspired them with respect."



Well, the Russians that year did not expect at all on their land such conquerors as the Austrians, Hungarians, Czechs and other subjects of the Habsburgs. As, however, did not expect the Prussians and the Saxons, and many others ...

... But, it seems, they were waiting in Paris


The troops of Schwarzenberg, one of the few who preserved the combat effectiveness of the formations of the former Great Army, had to cover Warsaw when the Russians nevertheless decided to continue the campaign against Napoleon. Prince’s friend, General Poniatowski, received time to form fresh Polish units, and Schwarzenberg, taking the corps near Krakow, surrendered the command to General Frimon and departed for Paris.


Prince Karl-Philippe really wanted to persuade Napoleon to peace, but in the end everything turned upside down and after the Pleiswitz truce, Austria was already an enemy of France. The Allied monarchs did not dare to appoint the commander in chief of one of the Russian generals, they looked across the ocean, from where they wrote out General Moreau, the old enemy and Schwarzenberg and Napoleon.

However, Moreau fell near Dresden from the French core, and quite unexpectedly, the post of commander in chief went to Schwarzenberg. However, initially he headed only the largest of the allied armies - the Bohemian, which later became the Main.

At the same time, the prince received seniority over the Prussian general Blucher, and over the Russians Barclay and Bennigsen, and even over the Swedish crown prince, former Napoleonic marshal Bernadotte. But Schwarzenberg lost to Napoleon his very first battle as commander.


Under Dresden, where Moreau fell, Schwarzenberg was unable to oppose the fire of French batteries with anything but massive, but extremely sluggish and fragmented attacks by infantry and cavalry. After the defeat, the Bohemian army retreated to Bohemia along the passes of the Ore Mountains, but the attempt to circumvent it from the flank ended for the French by defeating the detachment of General Vandamm near Kulm.

After this, Napoleon chose not to push Schwarzenberg’s army, trying to maneuver it out of the narrow mountain defile. All the efforts of the emperor were turned to the Silesian army of Blucher, who deftly departed from him, but regularly snarled against individual French corps. As a result, Blucher and the Russian Tsar Alexander eventually pushed out of the Ore Mountains of Schwarzenberg.

The campaign of 1813 ended with the grand Battle of the Peoples near Leipzig, for which Schwarzenberg worked out a very intricate plan to circumvent the French positions, but in the end everything was decided by a series of grandiose clashes, and after the approach of all the allied armies - a heavy retreat of the French. During it, in the waters of Elster, an old friend of Schwarzenberg - Jozef Poniatowski, who had just received a marshal's baton from Napoleon, died.

The next campaign (1814), the prince and Generalissimo Schwarzenberg actually conducted in the same spirit as the previous one, but this did not deprive him of the glory of the winner of Napoleon. Although he won, by and large, only one battle - at Arcy-sur-Ob. When the Allies entered Paris, the Commander-in-Chief was in the background after the august persons.


By the end of the wars with Napoleon, Schwarzenberg was still quite young, but not too healthy. He still managed to lead the Hofkrigsrat (Higher Military Council of Austria), but soon received a stroke, and after he visited Dresden, Kulm and Leipzig, he died. The monument to Generalissimo in Vienna is certainly beautiful and elegant, but still slightly remote from the center of the capital and other monuments of military glory.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 04: 39 New
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    Thank! I read it with pleasure. To be honest, I learned a lot from the series about the European War of 1813-1814.
    Good day to everyone, Kote!
    1. Catfish 4 January 2020 14: 17 New
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      Vlad, hello, how are you?
      In our village, life goes on the post-New Year theme: "Then we began to count wounds, comrades to count." smile
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 14: 37 New
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        Salute Konstantin, I dashed to the tree for the fourth day, sawing, cutting. Brains are turned off completely. Tomorrow already at the service.

        A writing set for your soulmate!
        Regards, Vlad!
        1. Catfish 4 January 2020 15: 05 New
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          My brains are off too, but for a different reason. smile And what kind of tree, Vlad?
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 15: 31 New
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            Birch - cup holders, base - pine.
            1. Catfish 4 January 2020 15: 37 New
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              It's nice that I guessed about the birch. So, not everything is lost yet. wink
        2. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 15: 58 New
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          Cool, damn it !!! good Holes in glasses than he turned?
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 16: 06 New
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            Hi Antonishche! Two hours of work! Sea shavings and just lucky with a birch. Softwoods will not allow such abuse !!!
            1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 17 New
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              I envy instruments, mortal envy !!! Just kidding, of course, pah-pah-pah !!!! About the material - I bet. Well-worn out "needles" are something !!!
        3. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 16: 14 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          A writing set for your soulmate!

          Heat with a hairdryer, and cover with linseed oil several times, it will be even more beautiful. hi
      2. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 15: 55 New
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        The squad did not notice the loss of a fighter,
        "Slivyanka" finished his neighbor to the end.
        1. Catfish 4 January 2020 16: 04 New
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          It’s good if there’s a “slushyanka”, and there’s such an abomination as “vernacular”, thank God this year it did without it - well-being is growing. laughing
          1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 09 New
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            Well, if you recall the "Adventures of the Soldier Ivan Chonkin", then the "treacherous" ambrosia will seem! laughing
            1. Catfish 4 January 2020 16: 44 New
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              And why did Chonkin dream of Comrade Stalin with an immense female bust? laughing
              1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 52 New
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                From moonshine on chicken droppings! If you say that in Ryazan Oblast this product is being developed now, I will hang myself! Although no! I’ll come and personally face the manufacturer. No matter the consequences!
                1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 17: 08 New
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                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  From moonshine on chicken droppings! If you say that in Ryazan Oblast this product is being developed now, I will hang myself! Although no! I’ll come and personally face the manufacturer. No matter the consequences!

                  In Tula they still drive somewhere. Only the grannies of the collective farm as it is inconvenient to beat the muzzle. KVN is called. Strong, smelly, inexpensive. However, Ryazanians are sloppy - our neighbors, they are probably driving there. And then they catch the sun with a bag and caulk the jail pancakes. wassat
                  1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 32 New
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                    Hmmm, why are the Ryazanians slanting? recourse
                    1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 17: 37 New
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                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Hmmm, why are the Ryazanians slanting?

                      They were noble carpenters, and they dragged an ax on their side behind a sash. Well, on one side they were constantly crowded. Therefore, oblique. And we Tula, chained a flea on a chain. laughing
                      1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 39 New
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                        I apologize terribly, Vladimir, but it seems that flea, to this day the peak of Russian nanotechnology!
                2. Catfish 4 January 2020 17: 16 New
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                  Do not have to engage in assault, no one keeps chickens. Alles Kaput! request
                  1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 21 New
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                    I got lucky! On the "bully" will not sit. Not solid somehow at my age. laughing
                  2. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 17: 26 New
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                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    no one keeps chickens. Alles Kaput!

                    I knew that since the time of the maize and secretary Larionov in the Ryazan region, all cows have been settled, but I did not think that this affected the chicken. crying
                    1. Catfish 4 January 2020 17: 37 New
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                      At the time of Yeltsin, they still held it, but at the current time, wealth has grown - you can buy it in a store. But moonshine chasing. good
                      1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 17: 44 New
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                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        and with the current welfare has grown - you can buy in the store. But moonshine chasing.

                        Here I do not agree. You cook a storefront, or fry, and solid gelatin is melted out of it. And my grandfather was constantly buying in the market. These were the hens! At 4-5 pounds. You’ll scorch it on a straw, throw it into a pot, the smell drove me crazy. And often they came across eggs in their opera. Where there is a store, even USSR, even today.
                      2. Catfish 4 January 2020 18: 46 New
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                        So we also take in the market, in the store only as a last resort.
                      3. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 18: 58 New
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                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        So we also take in the market,

                        So where are they from the market if no one holds? Something I do not catch up. My grandfather, for example, did not hold, because there were three or four goats, and he did not want to mess with chickens. But others held it. And chickens and ducks and geese, turkeys of all sorts.
                      4. Catfish 4 January 2020 19: 07 New
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                        I don’t know where in the market, but I’ll take an interest in the case. And speaking of the absence of chickens in the courtyards, I had in mind our village and a couple of neighbors in which I regularly visit.
  • Olgovich 4 January 2020 07: 32 New
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    The commander did not shine with great talents ....
  • Korsar4 4 January 2020 07: 34 New
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    An interesting story in the faces. And the beginning is simply almost according to Dostoevsky: "Is it possible to live with the name Ferdyshchenko?"
    1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 01 New
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      "One to call Yevdondokhya, and the second - Snandulya" (C)
      1. Korsar4 4 January 2020 16: 42 New
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        "One is gray, the other is white.
        Two funny gooses "(c).
        1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 10 New
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          "Your symbol is a wind rose,
          Mine is a rusty nail "(C)
          1. Catfish 4 January 2020 17: 21 New
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            Mine is a rusty nail "(C)


            Like, kirdyk pants ?! laughing
            1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 26 New
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              No, this is so, in due time, Kinchev Grebenshchikov opposed.
              1. Catfish 4 January 2020 17: 38 New
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                I’m not familiar with these guys, I can’t correspond. request
                1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 49 New
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                  So do I. She crossed with Shevchuk a couple of times, but we are so young and greyhounds ....
                  1. Catfish 4 January 2020 18: 45 New
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                    Yes, Shevchuk had songs. good
                    1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 19: 05 New
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                      Shakhrin’s work impresses me more.
                      1. Catfish 4 January 2020 19: 08 New
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                        "Yes, and just wanted to live ...?"
                      2. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 19: 18 New
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                        Yes. Sometimes Vlad is associated with him. Simple "Ural Highlanders", speaking in simple terms, about simple things, but ... so that a tear kicks! Krapivin also knows how, their countryman too.
                      3. Catfish 4 January 2020 19: 29 New
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                        Krapivina, alas, I do not know at all.
                      4. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                        This must be read in adolescence, like Jules Verne. Although, FIG knows ... I've already read London in 30 years, and went to "cheers"
    2. Korsar4 4 January 2020 17: 50 New
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      "You arranged that the guest
      Inadvertently sat on a nail.
      A guest is otsedova
      Political Anger "(c).
      1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 55 New
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        "And again the trouble went,
        About the insidious "abroad" "(C)
        1. Korsar4 4 January 2020 18: 00 New
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          "And on the neutral strip of flowers -
          Extraordinary beauty "(c).
          1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 18: 17 New
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            "How good, how fresh the roses were,
            My country has thrown me into the grave. "(C)
            1. Catfish 4 January 2020 18: 44 New
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              "How good, how fresh the roses were,


              Namedirek slept as an alcoholic in a rose garden. drinks
            2. Korsar4 4 January 2020 18: 52 New
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              "Let's go to the garden?
              I will show you roses "(c).
              1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 19: 03 New
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                "Sir! Take Alice with you!" (WITH)
                1. Korsar4 4 January 2020 19: 08 New
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                  "Lords, sirs, pores! Know a sense of proportion.
                  Avoid drinking you like a trap "(c).
                2. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 19: 25 New
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                  "Drinking a shmurdyak, my friend, is immoral!
                  It’s an honor to drink beer, old man! "(C)
                3. Korsar4 4 January 2020 19: 33 New
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                  "Like, he who doesn’t eat - he doesn’t drink.
                  And he drank it by the way "(c).
                4. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 19: 42 New
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                  "I expose a barrel of wine to the workers,
                  And I give the arrears! "(C)
                5. Korsar4 4 January 2020 20: 15 New
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                  "A gift in vain, a gift of chance" (c).
                6. Catfish 4 January 2020 20: 30 New
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                  "The vault of heaven was mockingly radiant and bright,
                  When an American plane carrying a diabolical present under its belly,
                  When the sparkling Enola Gay
                  Threw his gift to the earth, to people. "(C)
                7. Korsar4 4 January 2020 20: 33 New
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                  My Phantom Arrow White
                  On the spread wing
                  With a roar, he is gaining height "(c).
                8. Catfish 4 January 2020 20: 49 New
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                  "During interrogation, I asked them
                  Who is the pilot who shot me down?
                  And the friend answered slanted,
                  the one who asked the questions
                  Our pilot Xi Qing shot down you. "(C)
                9. Korsar4 4 January 2020 20: 57 New
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                  "And if itching, don’t suffer without doing anything.
                  You still have enough business:
                  Crush the flies, reduce the birth rate,
                  Destroy your sparrows! "(C).
                10. Catfish 4 January 2020 21: 46 New
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                  "And do not be interested in our way of life,
                  We ourselves know where we have something,
                  So our Central Committee wrote in an open letter,
                  We approve of his line. "(C)

                  Freshly remembered so far, served there in the late sixties, 10 km. in a straight line to the Amur. smile
                11. Korsar4 4 January 2020 21: 56 New
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                  And now, how the influence of China is felt: in Blagoveshchensk, and in Khabarovsk, and in Ussuriysk.

                  "And, most importantly, I know very well,
                  How they are pronounced "(c).


                12. Catfish 4 January 2020 21: 57 New
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                  So "come along", huh?
                13. Korsar4 4 January 2020 22: 16 New
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                  The Chinese program is being implemented: Blagoveshchensk and Heihe. 2 cities - two wings.
                14. Catfish 4 January 2020 22: 30 New
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                  I had a chance to visit Blagoveshchensk, but I didn’t really see the city. From the station to the unit, they took the young and back.
  • Catfish 4 January 2020 20: 27 New
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    “Beer is not vodka, you won’t drink much.” (Folk wisdom) drinks
  • Catfish 4 January 2020 17: 19 New
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    Three "red geese" - they beat ours! fellow The gray geese are not provided by the charter. soldier
    1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 28 New
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      The allegory did not go .... ???
      1. Catfish 4 January 2020 17: 40 New
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        But the devil knows, have not asked yet. Will come - I will ask, but the name is good. love
        1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 17: 45 New
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          The main thing here is how to apply. Either "Alya", or "Grief" ... In case of an error, it can scratch its face ...
  • Amateur 4 January 2020 07: 47 New
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    he also defeated Napoleon

    And when? The whole article is about how he was beaten, how he portrayed “something in the hole”, fighting for some, then for others. In general, the other COLUMNER.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 11: 15 New
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      So during Napoleon all Europe was at war, then against, then under it !!! wassat
  • Undecim 4 January 2020 14: 14 New
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    The genealogy of the Bohemian, that is, Czech, but actually German Schwarzenbergs, is probably older than the Habsburgs and Hohenzollerns, and even more so than the Romanovs.
    I wonder where the author got this idea from. He himself was clearly not interested in the question.
    The Schwarzenberg clan dates back to 917, the Habsburg clan goes back to 930. There is practically no difference here, and historians have no doubt about the date.
    As for the Hohenzollerns and Romanovs, there is a very similar story, covered in darkness.
    The ancestors of the Hohenzollern were considered both the mythical contemporary of Charlemagne, Count Tassilon, and the ducal clan of the Burchardings, however, these versions were not confirmed, therefore the beginning of the 1025th century (before XNUMX) is considered to be a reliable date for the start of the genealogy. It is impossible to name more precisely, since the date of birth of Burkhard I von Zollern has not been established more precisely.
    The Romanovs have a very similar story.
    According to the founding father of Russian heraldry Kolychev, the Romanov clan goes back to the VI century, to the legendary king Videvut.
    According to Prince Andrei Kurbsky, the Romanov clan comes from certain "princes of Resh," Rurik's comrades-in-arms, that is, by the XNUMXth century. By the way, an interesting fact. The famous August Schletser, who, according to turbopatriotic folkhistorics, was called by the Romanovs to rewrite history in his own favor and legitimize their claims to the Russian throne, was categorically against both the Kolychev version and the Kurbsky version.
    Therefore, officially the founder is considered the Moscow boyar Andrei Kobyl.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 14: 41 New
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      Andrey Kobyla!
      If I’m not mistaken, a contemporary of the children and grandchildren of Alexander Nevsky, which is also good.
      1. Undecim 4 January 2020 14: 52 New
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        Compared with the Kostroma Biryukovs, who consider themselves from Borte-Chino - the progenitor of the Mongols (according to various estimates - the end of the VI - beginning of the VIII century), it looks rather weak.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 15: 20 New
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          Well, I don’t know, how?
          I can trace my mother’s line (Eremeev) from 1743, my father (Complaints) from 1775 - two and a half centuries! True, nobles were not among us, all working people (dam, blacksmiths, coal burners)! The only great-great-great-grandfather rose to the mayor's office, during the years of the First World War! So revolution and all with "0".
          At one time, when I was seriously interested in this issue, I was given the "one million" lure and we will imagine that your ancestors were the military slaves of the princes Romadanovsky. Million was not sorry, he was not corny. The offer came to almost all my relatives through my mother. Perhaps it’s true that enterprising guys dug up something, but there is no money and no court. Everything is dead.
          But essentially the version is working. Gamayuns (my ancestors) moved twice. The first time in turmoil from the Smolensk region, to the estate of the Romadanovsky near Kaluga. At the same time, forming tracing-paper of old villages: Sychevka, Voronino, Nudovskaya, Gvazdarka, Shadeyka! Demidov N.N. brought gamayuns to the Urals, there also appeared tracing-paper of Smolensk villages and villages, but as streets, lanes and ends!
          Where the truth I do not know, a million is expensive. I’d better help a child with housing or study!
          1. Undecim 4 January 2020 15: 32 New
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            Composing a pedigree is not a problem. The question is how true is it. And how to check it?
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 15: 39 New
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              They promised links and photocopies of archival documents! I myself dug 250 years ago, just because my ancestors lived at the same factory! Parish Books have not been preserved, and the mining plants of Serginsky and Atigsky - yes! Dug up on them. There is extinct mountain Lysaya within the boundaries of Serginsky Pond; in the early documents it appeared as Birch. It was written in the documents - Yeremeyev Jr. handed over three hundred pounds of coal in a month from Mount Berezovoi! So my ancestor was personally involved in a mini-ecological disaster! He brought the birch to coal so that the mountain is still called Lysa! laughing
              1. Korsar4 4 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                Birch, for sure, a new one has grown.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 20: 53 New
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                  Quote: Korsar4
                  Birch, for sure, a new one has grown.

                  No mountain is overgrown with aspen. Although lately it has been squeezed out by spruce and fir!
                  1. Korsar4 4 January 2020 21: 00 New
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                    So there was an aspen in the composition. And the root offspring resumed. And now the time for dark coniferous species is slowly coming.

                    And everything will happen again.
          2. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 30 New
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            Good cats, everyone remembers! Don’t ask anyone: one has a grandfather, a Polish general, the other has a Makhnovist, the third has an ancestor in the Urals, the first “heat” with Demidov worked, about the Mikhailovs, I’ll be silent at all ... One I am a rootless dog !!! crying
            1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 16: 33 New
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              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Alone, I am a rootless dog !!!

              I am also from the peasants. laughing
              1. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 40 New
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                But I’ll know who the hell! request
            2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 21: 27 New
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              Anton, I’m lucky in this regard. On two branches of a hamayun! The first administrative building built in the city after the dam and foundry with a forge was factory management! So the whole waste paper was accumulated for two and a half centuries! He studied at the institute, mother agreed with access. Plus, in recent years, the Union has seriously engaged in the systematization of such information. In fact, I skimmed the cream. On other branches, I have not advanced far. At mom’s grandmother, I got a stake on my great-grandfather. The Chebarkul Cossack, who fought for the white and red, during the NEP was the owner of the mill, for which he was repressed. I know that great-grandmother was from the Chuvashs and that’s it!
              On another branch - the great-grandmothers of his father, he dug up that the great-great-grandfather was a mayor in Yekaterinburg! But he himself was an orphan adopted by the Atigian Babai-Daibov! So, I am only a Complaint in the Lower and Upper Serg, in Atig I’m the last female in the male line by the “block”! What is this, I still do not fully understand! But my father, uncle, cousin and great-grandfather, were respected people who were credited with an exceptional sense of justice! I already cited a manic example when my great-grandfather decided to hang out with his great-grandmother in old age. He didn’t come up with anything clever, dividing the horse along !? After not deciding who left and the right half of the poor horse, his great-grandfather changed his mind about getting divorced!
              Well, somewhere like that!
              Although the men, to be honest, the жzhigar уг coal-burner, this is the lowest profession in the factory hierarchy, only miners are lower! And from the side of mother hereditary. Grandfather told (born 1920) that he did not finish school because of the need to burn the norm of coal. And this is already in Soviet times! He began to work from 10 years old.
              So the peasants - it sounds proud !!!
      2. Korsar4 4 January 2020 15: 17 New
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        Yes. Under Ivan Kalita was a boyar.

        Let the versions of the origin of the Romanovs be traditional - through Fedor Koshka and Andrei Kobyl.
  • Mavrikiy 4 January 2020 14: 14 New
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    The Poles of Poniatowski made up the 5th Corps of the Great Army, the Austrians of Schwarzenberg - the 12th.
    Two unprincipled reptiles.
  • Catfish 4 January 2020 14: 15 New
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    If your last name is Schwarzenberg ...


    "If you name is a Komsomol member, strengthen the name with your deeds." (with)
    Here I fastened ... How could. Either on one side, then on the other, and even Poniatowski was his friend, "tell me who your friend is, and I will say who you are." In general, a strange kind of "winner of Napoleon." request

    Alexei, Happy New Year and thank you for introducing the new (for me) "hero" of the Napoleonic Wars. hi
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 14: 46 New
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      Quote: Sea Cat
      If your last name is Schwarzenberg ...


      "If you name is a Komsomol member, strengthen the name with your deeds." (with)
      Here I fastened ... How could. Either on one side, then on the other, and even Poniatowski was his friend, "tell me who your friend is, and I will say who you are." In general, a strange kind of "winner of Napoleon." request

      Alexei, Happy New Year and thank you for introducing the new (for me) "hero" of the Napoleonic Wars. hi


      An interesting painted reproduction of the coat of arms of the “hero” of the article! Especially the lower right part of it “a vulture or a raven will bite the enemy’s head, which looks a lot like a Cossack (forelock, mustache)”! At the gates, the coat of arms is much politically correct - the skull, he is also a skull in Africa!
      1. Catfish 4 January 2020 15: 08 New
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        I’ll clarify: the Cossack is Zaporizhzhya. laughing
    2. 3x3zsave 4 January 2020 16: 34 New
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      "-You are a Komsomol member?
      -Yes!!!
      -Let's never come across !!! "
  • Ryaruav 4 January 2020 15: 42 New
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    at that time people were completely different and the participants begin their discussions at the 1941 level, as you can’t understand different psychologies at different times, do you even know what Novgorod ear-makers did during raids on our Russian cities and settlements, but he’s father-killer sasha1 a good man and commander, and how our history has exalted Kutuzov, and such a well-deserved man as Barclay de Tolly has ridiculed the bottom that does not correspond to reality; study historical documents well and not all dissertations both before the Soviet and Soviet period
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2020 15: 53 New
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      Question?
      If you do not touch Alexander, what is the problem with Kutuzov and Barclay de Tolly? Just Soviet historical science whitewashed the name of the latter !!! Read dissertations and doctoral works and less fiction!
  • sivuch 4 January 2020 17: 59 New
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    but he could not help out the army of Archduke Charles in the battle of Hohenlinden.
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    and no one could - because under Hohenlindin, another archduke — John
    1. podymych 9 January 2020 22: 15 New
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      Your truth, you can see the dash with summer. Himself about the eltz. Karla opus prepared, https://topwar.ru/160747-karl-ljudvig-iogann-gabsburg-jercgercog-pobezhdavshij-bonaparta.html

      but ... Akela missed. Guilty, fix
  • sivuch 4 January 2020 18: 11 New
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    That's just on Herrenplatz there is a statue not Montenegrin Schwarzenberg, and Karl (opposite Eugen von Savoy). So everyone got his own business.
  • Tests 4 January 2020 21: 18 New
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    Mordvin 3 (Vladimir), I am also from the peasants. True, my ancestors, along with the rest of the inhabitants of the island, did not let the church of Zaostrovye in the Primorsky district of the Arkhangelsk region shut down, but the church books remained. Although one of the churches, Nikolskaya, left for Arkhangelsk in Solombala in the 19th century ... Ivan Georgievich Testov, one of the grandmother’s younger brothers, was one of the founders of the Zaostrovsky collective farm museum, he worked a lot in archives, and he had a pedigree from the Testes line to the 17th century there is. True, my ancestors didn’t fight with Napoleon, although heirlooms remained from the 18th century ... There is no collective farm, but the museum is alive, and the people of Ostrov made a book about their fellow countrymen - "Generation of winners" on families with photos, brief biographical notes about how they worked - they fought - they worked with the awards, the book without state support for donations of the 2nd edition survived. With changes and clarifications, the second edition was published and more information is quietly appearing. After all, the Old Believers still live with us, one might say, in parallel with us, but they also become more talkative, their memories clarify and supplement a lot. Yes, in the 90 - 2000s, many from all over the Union, for various reasons, came closer to their small homeland ...
  • bubalik 4 January 2020 21: 28 New
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    ,,, Order of the Golden Fleece. One of the most ancient and honorable awards of Europe.

    Order of the Golden Fleece of Alexander I

    ,,,,Charles II, who had just been restored to the throne, favors the signs of the Order of the Golden Fleece Athos - Count de la Fer - in gratitude for the help that the former musketeer provided him.
    For Athos - a representative of the old French aristocracy - this is the highest honor. Indeed, as Count de la Fer himself rightly observes, in Europe not every king has such an award. But Charles II did not have the right to award anyone with the Order of the Golden Fleece, for he was not and could not be his head, and he himself was not in it.

    ,,, however, Dumas never especially stood on ceremony with history
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      ,,, in 1688 the coat of arms looked as follows. fellow


      Silver and blue stripes in the upper right quarter of the coat of arms came from the long-standing coat of arms of Erkinger from Seinsheim, from which the Schwarzenbergs descend. In the lower left part of the coat of arms, a raven pecks out the eye of a Turk in memory of the victories of Adolf Schwarzenberg. Three red tips in the upper left part of the coat of arms symbolize Schultz dominion (patrimony), received as a dowry as a result of the marriage of Ferdinand, 2nd Prince Schwarzenberg, to Maria Anna von Schulz. And, finally, in the lower right part of the coat of arms there is a burning branch, symbolizing the dominion of Brandys. In the center of the coat of arms are small images of two more dominions: on the right is Schwarzenberg castle (a white tower on a black mountain), on the left is the city of Cleggau (three golden sheaves). The princely crown over the emblem symbolizes the princely title of the Schwarzenberg.
      Buying up estates and concentrating the inheritance of the Eggenberg relatives in their hands, in the first quarter of the 1723th century the Schwarzenbergs created an extensive power of their own in southern Bohemia (including Cesky Krumlov, Hluboku nad Vltavou, Netolice, Prachatice, Volars, Vimperk, Orlik, Zvikov, etc. .) by joining it to land in Bavaria, Austria and Styria. In XNUMX, the Schwarzenbergs also acquired the title of Dukes of Krumlov.
      1. sivuch 5 January 2020 10: 11 New
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        Their palace in Prague is beautiful, in the Venetian style
  • Graz 5 January 2020 04: 08 New
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    generally two-faced without a principled mediocre careerist, from the commander the name alone
  • Tests 5 January 2020 21: 35 New
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    bubalik (Sergey), dear, in the coat of arms on the head of the Turk is clearly not a raven, but a white-headed vulture, though a young bird is painted on top of the head — the dark and the back of the head are dark, with age, their whole head becomes white. Given that in the Balkans, on the Adriatic coast, these birds live today, we can assume. that in the 19th century they lived north of present-day Hungary and Austria.