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The Aviationist: “There is no explanation of how the Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”

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The Western media continues to actively discuss the topic related to the deployment of the Avangard hypersonic missile system in Russia. For many Western experts, the very fact of setting up the complex, which they learned about a year ago, turned out to be a real annoying factor or, if you like, a challenge.


The Aviationist writes that a hypersonic missile, “invulnerable to interception,” has been deployed in Russia.

At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the Avangard has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense.” What other “specific image” do foreign interested parties expect if there are several videos, including one with a missile test?


Also in the material there is the following:

And there are no open explanations of how this tool with a maneuvering unit returns to hypersonic speed after re-entering the atmosphere - at the final stage of the attack. This is the phase of flight in which most missile defense systems are capable of hitting an approaching target.

The essence of the perplexity of Western authors is as follows: so at what speed will the avant-garde blocks approach directly to the target? If this is not hypersonic speed, then the blocks "can be intercepted"; if hypersonic, then how can such a speed be achieved when entering the atmosphere?

It should be noted that similar questions about the hypersonic blocks of the latest missile system are being asked in Russia. We are talking mainly about those objects that were previously called planning blocks, capable of developing hypersonic speed in certain sections of the flight. Intrigues at the time were added by statements by representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who noted that during the tests, the Vanguard reached an incredible speed of 27 Machs.

In fact, it would be strange if manufacturers put all their trump cards on the table and began to explain to each questioner the technologies that were used to create the latest weapons.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2019 08: 03
    +51
    At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”
    Once again I am surprised at the inertness of the guys from the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering dense layers, let them admire ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 December 2019 08: 06
      +57
      And let's show them the film "DMB", so that they would understand that the "gopher" is there!
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 29 December 2019 08: 42
        +55
        “There is no explanation of how Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”

        Funny people ...
        Here zhezh explain everything:

        smile
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 December 2019 08: 57
          +41
          And the presenters have such normal, valid, slightly veiled "blocks" ... just what surprises this in a Muslim country?
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 29 December 2019 10: 01
            +13
            It seems that in the 70s (I don’t remember exactly), the Americans came up with the idea of ​​covering a nuclear warhead with a depleted uranium shell.
            Such a shell withstood entry into the atmosphere at cosmic speeds, without any braking block. So there is no "miracle" here.
            I do not know anything about the use of depleted uranium hulls in Russia, but they could have used this method as well. But most likely some other material. Suffice it to recall the Burana ceramic coating.
            1. svp67
              svp67 29 December 2019 10: 05
              +2
              Quote: Shurik70
              Suffice it to recall the Burana ceramic coating.

              Aren't we going to remember the coverage of "Shuttle"?
              Quote: Shurik70
              It seems that in the 70s (I don’t remember exactly), the Americans came up with the idea of ​​covering a nuclear warhead with a depleted uranium shell.

              We do not advertise this information, but the speeds of our warheads are not low, which means we also have materials similar in properties ...
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 29 December 2019 10: 08
                +8
                Quote: svp67

                Aren't we going to remember the coverage of "Shuttle"?

                Let's limit ourselves to Russian technologies.
                Ours, of course, can also privatize (or even honestly buy) this technology. But if our analog is not worse, then why?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 29 December 2019 12: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  But if our analog is not worse, then why?

                  Why then remember the American "uranium" warhead coating, if ours is clearly not worse, but better
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 29 December 2019 12: 45
                    +8
                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    But if our analog is not worse, then why?

                    Why then remember the American "uranium" warhead coating, if ours is clearly not worse, but better

                    Because the Americans are surprised, although they themselves coped with this task half a century ago.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 29 December 2019 12: 49
                      +5
                      Quote: Shurik70
                      Because the Americans are surprised, although they themselves coped with this task half a century ago.

                      Here, apparently, "translation difficulties", since it is surprising that these warheads are able to perform maneuvers at such a speed in the atmosphere. With all due respect to the Shuttles, Buran and missile warheads, they do not know how to do this.
                      1. Tatar 174
                        Tatar 174 29 December 2019 20: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        With all due respect to the Shuttles, Buran and missile warheads, they do not know how to do this.

                        You forgot something ... We can do a lot with a crowbar, sledgehammer and some kind of mother ... wink
                    2. telobezumnoe
                      telobezumnoe 29 February 2020 16: 26
                      +1
                      it just looks like a crooked translation of an article, yet Gagarin was no longer seated on a machine that entered the atmosphere and was hypersound, then braked, and the skin was disposable which burned out, but retained the integrity of the device, with shuttle-buranas reusable skin appeared, which nafig is not needed in case of mbr, the only problem is that when a plasma ball arises, radio emission does not pass, hence the well-known silence on the air, when the descent vehicle lands, and only after its braking to sound speeds does the connection reappear. the complexity of hypersonic weapons is in the guidance and control system of the device while it is covered with a plasma cloud due to high speeds, for this they were forced to slow down the mbr at the final stage of the flight, in order to ensure the accuracy of guidance and use of the GPS
                2. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 29 December 2019 15: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  Let's limit ourselves to Russian technologies.

                  I see that they are discussing depleted uranium as a coating for BG, tantalum, etc. ... and I don’t understand why no one, including Western experts, is considering the option using nanotechnology? Nanotubes placed in any material, a substance changes its basic properties sometimes very dramatically.
                  I think that it was the technology with the use of nanotubes that was applied here. And if someone says that Chubais has not "given birth" for so many years, I will answer that in addition to the capital's laboratories, there are many other institutes where they work on this topic.
                  Somehow I talked with one scientist (let's say, the middle manager), and it was about new materials for the army, alloys, composites, and so on ... and he told me in a half-joking form, the technologies for obtaining new materials are of the best, strongest , we have lungs and not only a mass, only in addition to this, there are secret laboratories that study and research the materials of downed and crashed UFOs. And the fact that UFOs exist in my opinion no one disputes.
                  And no matter how crazy it sounds, maybe not quite terrestrial technologies are used here, who knows. Indeed, all over the world they are working on such materials, but so far we only have hypersound (stable) and it appeared somehow from nowhere.
                  1. merkava-2bet
                    merkava-2bet 30 December 2019 11: 06
                    +4
                    Fantasy went, I love it very much before going to bed.
                  2. gridasov
                    gridasov 13 February 2020 10: 39
                    +1
                    The fact is that carbon nanomaterials during strong magnetic processes form a gas so the structural polarization of the material at the nanoscale. And then the material just explodes. You didn’t know about this? When I burn the furnace and make the fuel mixture, I add the coal component as a catalyst for burning the entire mixture. Quite a bit. Firewood is half as much.
            2. Aibolit
              Aibolit 29 December 2019 11: 41
              +19
              It seems that in the 70s (I don’t remember exactly), the Americans came up with the idea of ​​covering a nuclear warhead with a depleted uranium shell.

              wassat
              Masterpiece!
              From Uranus depleted.
              Aha
              19000kg / m ^ 3
              Melting point 1130 ° C +.
              In the aerospace industry, op-amp is used only as a ballast
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 29 December 2019 12: 51
                +2
                Quote: Aibolit

                wassat
                Masterpiece!
                From Uranus depleted.
                Aha
                19000kg / m ^ 3
                Melting point 1130 ° C +.
                In the aerospace industry, op-amp is used only as a ballast

                Initially, this shell was conceived to protect the warhead from missile defense.
                But then they noticed that due to the high density, uranium evaporates very slowly even at hyper speeds. The warhead manages to reach the target before the shell burns out.
                1. Aibolit
                  Aibolit 29 December 2019 14: 15
                  +8
                  Missile defense was not then, in practice. They are still gone
                  Evaporation is not related to density, look at lead, mercury
                2. merkava-2bet
                  merkava-2bet 30 December 2019 23: 16
                  +1
                  In warheads, depleted uranium has two functions:
                  1) Power amplification due to the division-synthesis-division reaction, tamper and reflector housing.
                  2) Protection against PFNW, that is, x-ray and neutron radiation, for this, the automation and initiation unit is placed in the charge body.


            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 December 2019 12: 47
              +2
              Maybe all the same, tantalum alloys covered the warheads, rather than depleted uranium.
            4. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 29 December 2019 15: 21
              +9
              About "depleted uranium" as a coating. Firstly, its thermal conductivity, like any metal, is very high; it is very problematic to cover the warhead behind it. Secondly, it is simply unsuitable as an ablative coating, there are other compounds. Third, the whole statement about "depleted uranium" for these purposes is a fake.
              1. Leonard Kabachkov_2
                Leonard Kabachkov_2 29 December 2019 23: 07
                0
                Likely.
            5. merkava-2bet
              merkava-2bet 29 December 2019 16: 47
              +3
              In depleted uranium Fusion -1400 * C, a school physics course.
              Depleted uranium is rewarded in the second stage of the thermonuclear charge, tamper, to increase the output energy 5-10 times from the initial two-stage reaction, that is, fission-fusion-fission, but it is also a dirty explosion compared to fission-fusion.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 30 December 2019 08: 05
                +1
                It's not about the melting point, but about the use of uranium as a heat-shielding material. To use it in this capacity is nonsense.
            6. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 30 December 2019 03: 41
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              I don’t know anything about the use of depleted uranium cases in Russia, but they could have used this method as well.

              Duc, there were rumors about the "uranium" shell of the Satan ICBM warheads! True, here, probably, we will have to figure out how this "gets along" with the statement about the "pyrophoricity" of depleted uranium! But, no matter how it was in reality, there is a very effective heat-shielding coating on the "Satan's" BB ...
          2. PalBor
            PalBor 29 December 2019 10: 48
            +2
            Yes, I was surprised too. Probably, they show that nothing ESovsky is alien to them, one might say, the vanguard of European values! So soon they will reach the "rearguard", God forgive me.
          3. withoutreverse
            withoutreverse 29 December 2019 18: 33
            +2
            Zjarr TV (Zjarr Televizion) is a regional brutal television channel in Albania.)
          4. Captain45
            Captain45 29 December 2019 21: 46
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            And the presenters have such normal, valid, slightly veiled "blocks" ... just what surprises this in a Muslim country?

            Here are a hundred pounds, none of the Albanians are yelling at the zombie TV and everyone is watching with interest, at least men, all the news in a row. With such leaders. Offset good
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 29 December 2019 11: 36
          -7
          Instead of Solovyov, it would be better if such news included
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 30 December 2019 17: 06
            -1
            It is useless to compete with such aunts as a nightingale, well, who will watch it if you can see such "blocks".
        3. opus
          opus 29 December 2019 13: 07
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          Here zhezh explain everything:

          good
          Thank you.
          my whole village neighs and posts this video
        4. 4ekist
          4ekist 29 December 2019 14: 10
          0
          What was it!!!?
        5. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 December 2019 16: 07
          +1
          A third of Albanians are Christians.)
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 December 2019 03: 45
            +1
            Quote: Sergej1972
            A third of Albanians are Christians.)

            And two-thirds? And what crosses on their necks can not see?
        6. Charik
          Charik 30 December 2019 04: 05
          +2
          are bras forbidden?
        7. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 30 December 2019 17: 02
          0
          The first and the last have the best "blocks", and how she moves them! Yes, if we had such announcers performed, then I would review all the news several times.
        8. Father of papa carlo
          Father of papa carlo 30 December 2019 19: 16
          0
          The topics are revealed and even a fool is understandable. ) laughing
      2. nznz
        nznz 29 December 2019 17: 48
        +1
        DMB is one of my favorites, although I don’t have the habit of watching some movies many times, it’s impressive, I remember it right away. And I watched DMB more than once, all episodes are usually the first best. Of course there’s a lot of rubbish, but the one who served understands a demobilization story, in which rockets plow the watercolors of the Pacific Ocean, and a little Kavar in Russian, because he had not seen his native land for 2 years and only remembers tzwei sausage und cut. There are ridiculous elements of the army banter. A foreigner does not understand.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 December 2019 19: 18
          0
          Quote: nznz
          DMB is one of my favorites

          A tale of lies, but a hint in it .......
          Foreigners will never understand us, if such "simple" things do not understand!
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 29 December 2019 08: 09
      +12
      But what is it that before entering the atmosphere, the speed is lower than hypersonic ??? In space, it is even higher, and in the atmosphere it drops to 20-25 max. I understand that for space the concept of hypersound is not applicable, but if in terms of km / s.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 December 2019 10: 58
        -8
        "while in the atmosphere it drops to Mach 20-25" ////
        ----
        20-25 - this is just in space.
        And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 29 December 2019 12: 21
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "while in the atmosphere it drops to Mach 20-25" ////
          ----
          20-25 - this is just in space.
          And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.

          if he had 3-5 Machs in the atmosphere, he would go astray without any problems, this is the first. The second is that the speed in space is NEVER measured in the mach, because sound does not propagate in space, so if the speed is expressed in Mach, it is already the speed in the atmosphere.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 December 2019 12: 43
            +1
            "if he had 3-5 Machs in the atmosphere, he would get lost without any problems," ///
            -----
            You do not seem to understand how strategic missile defense works.
            It's not about speed, but about the calculation of the meeting place between the warhead and the missile defense "killer".
            ABM does not work after, but towards.
            The vanguard was invented not because of the high speed (in conventional warheads it is obviously much higher), but because of the gentle non-ballistic trajectory of descent to the target. At the terminal site, Vanguard dives almost vertically anyway. And its speed is not more than 3-5 MAX. But the missile defense will not have time to bring him down.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 29 December 2019 12: 54
              +5
              You don’t seem to understand that the uniqueness of the Vanguard lies precisely in the fact that it is capable of not only walking in the atmosphere at a speed of Mach 20-25, but also maneuvering along the course and altitude. What gentle descending trajectory are you talking about? Once again, watch the video showing the maneuvers of this unit. And once again I remind you that in space the speed is measured in km / s, and not in Machs. Therefore, if you were given speed in Machs, then this is speed in the atmosphere.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 29 December 2019 13: 03
                -3
                Only an iron meteorite can go in the atmosphere at a speed of 20-25 MAX, turning into steam ... laughing
                Even ordinary warheads of ICBMs that fall vertically and are even cones 2 meters high and 70 cm in diameter (approximately) are braked in the atmosphere up to 7 MAX. Turn them sideways a little - they will burn.
              2. Robertocalos
                Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 34
                -13
                It can not, of course, not a nonsense. At 7 km / sec in the atmosphere, any object burns with a blue flame (about 6 thousand degrees), EP physics has not yet been canceled. But she didn’t invent her
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 29 December 2019 15: 01
                  +15
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  It can not, of course, not a nonsense. At 7 km / sec in the atmosphere, any object burns with a blue flame (about 6 thousand degrees), EP physics has not yet been canceled. But she didn’t invent her

                  When ours made the "Shkval" torpedo, they also said do not screw nonsense, a torpedo cannot go under water at such a speed, the laws of physics have not been canceled. As it turned out later, the laws of physics have not changed and a torpedo with such a speed turns out to be able to go under water. And EP is not engaged in military development, so you do not write nonsense yourself.
                  1. Robertocalos
                    Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 04
                    -11
                    There are no questions about the Flurry, everything is very clear there.
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 29 December 2019 15: 32
                      +16
                      Quote: Robertocalos
                      There are no questions about the Flurry, everything is very clear there.

                      This is now very clear when the technology is disclosed, but then it was not at all clear. Just as at one time it was believed that the speed of sound, in principle, could not be overcome. Forgot? But not so long ago all this was.
                2. MMX
                  MMX 29 December 2019 17: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  It can not, of course, not a nonsense. At 7 km / sec in the atmosphere, any object burns with a blue flame (about 6 thousand degrees), EP physics has not yet been canceled. But she didn’t invent her

                  There is nothing to discuss, yet in Photoshop it is drawn. Cartoons. The world media, as well as the Israeli comrades at VO, actively spoke about this ...
              3. Svetlana
                Svetlana 29 December 2019 18: 20
                +3
                Quote: 1976AG
                the uniqueness of the Vanguard lies precisely in the fact that it is capable of not only walking in the atmosphere at a speed of 20-25 Machs, but also maneuvering along the course and altitude.
                At hypersonic speed, the Vanguard in the atmosphere is surrounded by a luminous plasma with a considerable temperature of the order of 0.3..1 eV and an electrical conductivity of ~ 10 ^ 13c-1, which can also be further increased by cesium additives. It is very convenient to transmit a mechanical impulse to such a plasma, and, therefore, to control the Vanguard trajectory by the Lorentz force F = [J * B] with the help of magnetic fields induced in the plasma around the Vanguard by magnetic solenoids that can be located in Avagard, i.e. using the principle of the Hall MHD generator. At the same time, magnetic heat insulation (created by internal coils) can reduce heat flux leading to ablation of the surface of the Vanguard.
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 29 December 2019 18: 37
                  +12
                  That was supposed to be accompanied by a bottle of vodka)
                  1. nznz
                    nznz 30 December 2019 22: 44
                    0
                    Well, yes, Ablation has already come.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 29 December 2019 14: 38
              +8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The vanguard was invented not because of the high speed (in conventional warheads it is obviously much higher), but because of the gentle non-ballistic trajectory of descent to the target.

              The vanguard was invented to guarantee to break through any missile defense system. To do this, we changed the trajectory of its final section. After breeding the BB, the product Yu-71 (hypersonic winged warhead) flies to the entrance to the dense layers of the atmosphere, from which it bounces like a pancake. When entering the PSA, the aerodynamic surfaces of the BB begin to act, thereby changing the direction of flight and again "jumping out" beyond the atmosphere. Calculations based on the meeting point of the kinetic block SM-6 and GZKBB after such a maneuver fly under the tail of the dog. And so several times, until it sticks with its 2Mt into the target designated for defeat. And the Vanguard is accelerating due to the force of gravity, but perhaps it also has its own dvigla. At least the picture shows something like that. But the reliability of the picture is in doubt ...


              1. Robertocalos
                Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 06
                -1
                You have definitely explained. But there is a question. After jumps and changing trajectories, how is the block pointing at that speed?
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 29 December 2019 16: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  You have definitely explained. But there is a question. After jumps and changing trajectories, how is the block pointing at that speed?

                  And this is a question for designers. As well as how they were able to make this unit manageable at that speed. And many other issues that so far constitute state secrets
                  1. Robertocalos
                    Robertocalos 29 December 2019 16: 29
                    -3
                    Most likely, astro correction, but further - perhaps nothing. Then the accuracy will be less than traditional ICBMs.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 29 December 2019 18: 42
                      0
                      Remember the principle of guidance of the American "Pershing-2", maybe it will tell you something. The Pershing head unit was also controllable, so let's look at the archives.
                  2. YakimovSS
                    YakimovSS 30 December 2019 09: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    And this is a question for designers.

                    I think on this phrase you can finish raving.
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 29 December 2019 18: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  how is the block pointing at that speed?

                  Vadim! If I knew how this happens, I would not talk with you now, but would answer the questions of the "people in black" ... bully
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 29 December 2019 15: 55
                0
                . "And so several times, until it sticks with its 2Mt into the target designated for defeat" ////
                ----
                This is just the most problematic part of the project. smile
                There is a high probability that after all gliding and bouncing, he will be very far from the target.
                Because the corrections after the descent from space are astronautical. And there are several of them. Here, and with one after a clean ballistic trajectory, they miss ..., and several recourse
                1. Arkon
                  Arkon 29 December 2019 17: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  There is a high probability that after all gliding and bouncing, he will be very far from the target.

                  So it is controlled throughout the entire trajectory. Moreover, controlled "outside". wink
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 29 December 2019 17: 25
                    +1
                    And who controls it? smile
                    1. Arkon
                      Arkon 29 December 2019 17: 35
                      0
                      Anyone can operate, we do not know the composition of the launched cargo, and you are not interested in "how"? smile
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 29 December 2019 17: 44
                        +1
                        If you figured out how to control the outside of the BR, then no Vanguards would be needed laughing It would be enough conventional controlled BR.
                        It would be an outstanding breakthrough. fellow
                      2. Arkon
                        Arkon 29 December 2019 18: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        If you could figure out how to control the outside of the BR,

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        It would be an outstanding breakthrough.


                        Here it is he who is perfect.
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 29 December 2019 18: 17
                        +3
                        Before the New Year, the mood should be good! Holiday greetings! drinks
                      4. Arkon
                        Arkon 29 December 2019 18: 19
                        +2
                        Happy New Year! drinks
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 29 December 2019 18: 40
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  here and with one, after a clean ballistic trajectory, they miss.
                  Yes, it seems that ours have learned to hit and hit well ... Especially stationary systems ...
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  he will be very far from the goal

                  I don't think you're right ...
                  the first launch from a mobile launcher carried out from the Plesetsk launch site at the Kura training ground on September 28, 2011, was unsuccessful. “Vanguard” then could not hit the target ... During the second launch on May 23, 2012, “Vanguard” worked normally. Subsequent launches cemented this success.

                  And then, a 2-megaton "head" will definitely choose aiming errors with its power ... And the targets, for sure, will not be "pinpoint", but areal: large military-industrial complexes, airbase and airbases of the enemy ...
                  Somehow, however. yes
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 29 December 2019 18: 58
                    -4
                    When shooting at the Kura firing range there was no gliding at all.
                    Vanguard attacked vertically, like a regular warhead. Rather, they checked the rocket itself (it is very old, liquid).
                    And they are near Kamchatka. American tracking stations. The gliding parameters they would have written.
                    Therefore, the subsequent tests were partial, not complete, inside Siberia, so that the Americans knew less.
                    The Americans were skeptical about the Vanguard's capabilities. This is rather a scary "Joker" (no one knows where it will explode) than an accurate weapon.
                    Therefore, they are made by only a dozen pieces.
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 29 December 2019 19: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      Therefore, they are made by only a dozen pieces.

                      Yes, it seems about 24 units. they said ... Which, in general, corresponds to the number of UR-100UTTX (30 units).
                      There will be RS-28s - they will be burdened with 1-3 Vanguards ...
                      Maybe something aviation will come up with over time. Well, for example, the U-71 with the upper stage will be attached to the "Messenger" (PAK DA Tupolev).
                      So still ahead ...
                      1. Miron
                        Miron 30 December 2019 07: 07
                        -2
                        What for?
                        The Messenger will carry an aerial analogue of Relight and Dagger.
                        2,5 thousand kilometers strike range, 50 km of enclosed space. His task, if you look closely, is to cover external borders and remote allies - Venezuela and others.
                        Vanguard is generally a tool of deterrence. We do not plan to attack anyone. I think that 500 units will be good parity for nuclear forces, such as England. Each of their missiles carries 10 strike blocks.
                        You may have to adjust to equalize the number of warheads.
                3. bayard
                  bayard 29 December 2019 18: 53
                  +1
                  The Soyuz descent vehicle also makes a planing jump, although this is done to damp the speed and reduce the overload for the cosmonauts. And it usually lands in the "given area" ... and this is not a BB at all.
                  Remember the guidance system of the American MX, and not only. After all, there is by no means only "inertial and astrocorrection". And the "Vanguard" just in the algorithm also includes maneuvers with correction in the final section before the dive. If this was used for conventional BBs (moreover, very high-precision ones), then for a controlled, planing one - God himself ordered.
                  And they have been working on maneuvering BBs since the 60s. True, later they seemed to have been canceled by treaties ... and the Americans didn’t get missile defense either then or now.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 29 December 2019 19: 45
                    -2
                    Americans do not bother with maneuvering space warheads, or false warheads, or gliding.
                    Their warheads attack on a strictly ballistic trajectory with an emphasis on accuracy.
                    This makes some sense: when you shoot all the time at the same shooting range, you involuntarily forget about any side factors. The unevenness of gravity and the shape of the Earth, the shift of the magnetic poles. All these little things contribute to miss.
                    The simpler the trajectory, the less miss.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 29 December 2019 20: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      Americans do not bother with maneuvering space warheads, or false warheads, or gliding.
                      Their warheads attack on a strictly ballistic trajectory with an emphasis on accuracy.

                      Americans didn’t bother much. After all, they won the Cold War. Why would they maneuver if anti-missile defense counteraction was not expected? Yes, and all Soviet ICBMs should have rotted by today ... Therefore, they and the missile defense did not really bother ...
                      And as it turned out, it turned out that they didn’t have either, and there was nobody to develop this, and time was lost request ...
                      They achieved high accuracy of their warheads back in the 80s and since then have simply maintained their technical condition ...
                      Why didn’t the Americans bother with BB maneuvers? By the fact that so far only they have deployed a global missile defense system. Russia does not have this (only around Moscow). With the deployment of the S-500, something will probably change. But Russian warheads have something to overcome. And they are guaranteed to overcome all this. It turned out to be an order of magnitude cheaper. And more effective.
                      "Dagger", "Vanguard" and "Zircon" of the American air defense / missile defense system are not intercepted in principle.
                      And everything that they piled up (global missile defense) can be scrapped - it is completely useless ... except for the notification function. Well, yes, they had it before.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 30 December 2019 00: 16
                        +3
                        "Dagger", "Vanguard" and "Zircon" American air defense / missile defense
                        are not intercepted in principle "////
                        ------
                        "In principle" any flying piece of iron can be shot down. smile
                        ---
                        But, as you put it: the "global American missile defense"
                        does not exist in nature.
                        They have a battery in Alaska that can intercept
                        (with 50% probability) single ICBMs flying from the Far East
                        across the pacific. And covered by THAAD California systems.
                        It's all.
                        Russian ICBMs flying across the Arctic Ocean or
                        across the North Atlantic, no one is able to intercept.
                        Even single rockets.
                        Therefore, the Vanguard deployed against a defunct ABM.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 30 December 2019 01: 23
                        +7
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Therefore, the Vanguard deployed against a defunct ABM.

                        This is in the future, so that the temptation does not arise.
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        ---
                        But, as you put it: the "global American missile defense"
                        does not exist in nature.

                        They planned it and actively built it. And PR. Therefore, means of guaranteed breakthrough of any missile defense system have been created. Even promising.
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        They have a battery in Alaska that can intercept
                        (with 50% probability) single ICBMs flying from the Far East
                        across the pacific. And covered by THAAD California systems.
                        It's all.

                        Well, why? They also deployed in Romania. And in Poland, almost ... Another thing is that it did not work out. Even against single missiles with breakthrough means (interference, false targets, but without maneuver), but Russia has all (!) Missiles with such means.
                        That's why they kept the pace of deployment. A stone flower did not come out.
                        In addition, the Dagger and Zircon missiles are essentially medium-range missiles, but they are inaccessible to the US missile defense system (like any other). After all, when they were being designed, the calculation was that the United States would have their missile defense system ... but it would be overcome by new means of destruction. And there was a double bummer - for the United States.
                        To a question
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        ------
                        "In principle" any flying piece of iron can be shot down.

                        ... It is in principle. But this requires a completely different missile defense. And perhaps not even ground-based. This is a lot of money, incredible complexity and a lot of time ... and a way out of a number of international treaties.
                        Is the United States capable of this?
                        And how much time will be spent on this?
                        And what will appear in Russia during this very time?
                        But similar weapons appear in China.
                        In any case, they say so ...
                        The United States at one time stopped almost all promising programs. Lost school. Now they simply do not have specialists to develop such complex systems. Their education system was degraded and such specialists were simply not trained.
                        They lose systemically.
                        They have already lost to China in the economy. Already, China's No. 1 economy. And he is very actively building up military power. He is building a powerful fleet. It builds at a rate of 2 to 4 times the pace of construction in the United States.
                        And this is at a time when the United States rested its horn in Russia ... Horns are cracking, and behind the back the panda turns into a dragon and sharpens its ax ....
                        The hegemon made a lot of mistakes and now its hegemony is bursting at the seams.
                        As one friend of mine said: "It's just a shame for your beloved enemy." request bully
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 30 December 2019 10: 59
                        +1
                        1) Aegis system - against BDSD. Although it can shoot down a low-flying satellite, it is not able to shoot down ICBMs.
                        2) USA You tend to underestimate Russia. This is a very flexible country.
                        Both the education system and high-tech firms are being rebuilt on the go. If they lack specialists in a certain field, then they will instantly recruit from other countries: for citizenship and high salaries.
                        The rise of China is not related to any fall in the United States. Both countries are on the rise, but the pace of China is higher.
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 30 December 2019 18: 01
                        0
                        1) So Russia has a conventional type of ballistic missile and is not available. And those that are are just a type of unusual. Just under Aegis they guessed.
                        And where to put it now? Aegis this?
                        2) The country is flexible, but only if the education system is fruitful ... My friend and family moved to the USA about 12 years ago at my godfather. His daughter was then (at the time of the move) 10 years. A good girl, but the most ordinary, studied a little ... three-year-old ... And in America, despite the new language environment, she suddenly turned out to be the best student at school, the winner of olympiads, grants from universities and companies, so that she could get to them after studies .. An ordinary Russian girl is a threesome ... from the former Ukraine ...
                        That is their educational system ... Since the Soviet Union, it wasn’t standing next to it - even under Kennedy the American professors recognized it. It is now more difficult to buy imported brains; these brains now have an alternative - they are now in demand in other places. Yes, and they missed time, now only catch up.

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        The rise of China is not related to any fall in the United States. Both countries are on the rise, but the pace of China is higher.

                        If the growth of the US economy is two times less than the growth of debt (only national, not to mention corporate, households and loans), then this is not the growth that indicates health. This is a deepening crisis. And this is despite the fact that in the USA not so much the achievements of industry, etc. of the real economy are counted in the GDP, but more and more income from financial speculation, income of hairdressers and brothels. The real sector of the US economy is already 4 times inferior to China.
                        This is a failure.
                        Systemic
                        And as a result, the failure of almost all advanced weapons programs.
                      5. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 30 December 2019 18: 07
                        +2
                        "And as a consequence, the failure of almost all advanced weapons programs" ///
                        -----
                        Where exactly? smile In aviation? In the fleet - surface and underwater? Do they make ballistic missiles bad?
                        Are military information technologies behind? In computers do not pull?
                        Shapkozakidyvanie to good does not bring ... sad
                      6. bayard
                        bayard 30 December 2019 18: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Where exactly? In aviation?

                        F-35. In addition to avionics, everything is very sad. LTX is very modest. The resumption of production of the F-15 also says something. B-52, state B-1B, age and state of tactical aviation ...
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Do they make ballistic missiles bad?

                        They don’t do them at all. Long time ago. And Boeing generally abandoned the design of a new generation of ICBMs.
                        Armored vehicles, artillery, air defense.
                        The fleet is still in good shape ... Bye. But with the new aircraft carriers, again, a bummer. Zumwalt ... obscure ships of the littoral series ...
                      7. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 30 December 2019 18: 56
                        +3
                        Clear. Well, the main thing is that the New Year be a good one! Happy New Year! drinks
                      8. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 30 December 2019 18: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Russian ICBMs flying across the Arctic Ocean or across the North Atlantic, no one is able to intercept.
                        Through the SLO - not to intercept, except for the ground missile defense system GBI ... But across the Atlantic, the Ams are trying to do this ... They create a mobile sea missile defense area from Berks with Aegis and SM-3/6 anti-missile missiles ... Therefore, our missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces, stationed in the European part of the Russian Federation are forced to switch to solid-propellant ICBMs "Yars" in order to reduce the OUT by 2-4 times ... This has been written about more than once. Why didn't you see it - the question.
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Vanguard deployed against non-existent missile defense.
                        The vanguard was deployed so that the Yankees did not have the temptation to "try" ... The temptation fed by the illusion of superiority ... And so you don't even need to guess (if it arrives, won't it fly?) - It is guaranteed to arrive! yes
              3. 1976AG
                1976AG 29 December 2019 16: 26
                +1
                Why does everyone stubbornly forget that he has his own engines?
                1. Robertocalos
                  Robertocalos 29 December 2019 16: 34
                  +1
                  Then there should be a GOS) and we get a cruise missile in the form of a 3-stage output, which I thought about right away.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 29 December 2019 18: 59
                    +2
                    Remember the Soviet "micro-shuttle" "Bor", which could / should be used as a winged maneuvering on a descent trajectory in the atmosphere of a warhead ... just at 1 - 2 Mt. He flew several times ... and yes, his engine was ... heptyl.
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        2. Voyager
          Voyager 29 December 2019 12: 22
          0
          The materials known to us will burn. Admittedly, neither I nor you are completely up to date with the lineups.
          1. Robertocalos
            Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 35
            -4
            I know. And you will, if you spend a little time on the network.
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 29 December 2019 15: 16
              0
              Really? Speak, since the secret data is walking on the network.
              1. Robertocalos
                Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 39
                +3
                Hafnium carbide, melting point slightly less than 4000 degrees. For hypersound in dense layers of the atmosphere is not suitable. Nothing cooler than earth science is not yet known.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 29 December 2019 19: 06
                  +1
                  If you spend a little time "on the net", you will also find there the Soviet program "Bor" - a micro-shuttle that has made several flights. Officially, though, these were tests of a heat-shielding coating for the Buran, but in fact ... it was the development of a maneuvering, gliding and planing aircraft at atmospheric entry, controlled by a BB with a sufficiently powerful warhead just 1 - 2 Mt. With the possible withdrawal of the United States from the treaty on the placement of weapons in space, cassettes with such "Boras" could be placed in orbit during a threatened period and attack the territory of the United States from orbit.
                  It seems to me that the legs of “Vanguard” are growing from this program. wink
                  1. Robertocalos
                    Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 19
                    -1
                    And I found it. Moreover, the United States already has experienced X-37 installers, in which you can easily insert a BB. And the eyes will fulfill the functions of the avant-garde much better, because they can homing. And without any triumphant reports from each iron.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 29 December 2019 20: 30
                      +3
                      Nobody doubted the appointment of the X-37. He could not have another function. But is he in orbit? So its parameters are known and maneuvers are tracked. Right ? And anti-satellite assets have been tested for a long time ... including orbital-based ones.
                      The raisin of the Vanguard is that it starts as an ICBM, flies along a flat trajectory (an early warning missile system will find it late), actively maneuvers, including in the final section, uses countermeasures (interference, LC). Therefore, it is indestructible. even the most primitive BB without a laser center, and knocks down interference ... rarely knocks down, uncertainly. And the cases when it worked out, as a rule, was directed (anti-missile) to the beacon.
                      Is not it ?
                      1. Robertocalos
                        Robertocalos 29 December 2019 22: 41
                        -2
                        He cannot fly along a flat trajectory for 5-7 thousand km, kerosene will not be enough. There the apogee of 400 kilometers, like an ICBM. More precisely, he is on an ICBM and flies. And by itself the last 1000 km "skips". So the start will be detected immediately.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 29 December 2019 23: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Robertocalos
                        It can’t fly along the flat trajectory for 5-7 thousand km; there’s not enough kerosene.

                        He flies on heptyl.
                        And why does it fail on the flat one, while the same "Sineva" goes 11 km?
                        Quote: Robertocalos
                        There the climax of 400 kilometers

                        And maybe about 100 km. or a little more. On the first space one can fly around the ball at least five times.
                        Quote: Robertocalos
                        So start immediately spotted.

                        The start can then be spotted, but it is unlikely to be tracked on the trajectory.
                        Quote: Robertocalos
                        And by itself the last 1000 km "skips"

                        It seems to me that the races will start a little earlier. From the experience of ensuring the landing of the descent vehicles, I will say that they were spotted almost over North Africa (when observing from the western coast of the Caspian Sea), so that such "jumps" will begin at about this distance (or greater). After all, the landing sites were in northern Kazakhstan.
                        On the radar, such a target is visible very well thanks to the plasma trail, but it travels all this distance so quickly ... You can’t even imagine.
                        While maneuvering.
                        The US has no means against such weapons.
                2. Voyager
                  Voyager 29 December 2019 21: 14
                  +1
                  Show the source.
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 29 December 2019 14: 21
            -3
            Admittedly, neither I nor you are completely up to date with the compositions

            And evil tongues reproach that the Russian Federation is a raw material country, and it’s like they wiped their nose, their corporations are worthless. Apparently Chubais is not in vain giving money. launched the production of single-crystal graphene.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 29 December 2019 15: 25
              +1
              Are you serious about Red? Does he pay for notes on VO?
              1. nickname7
                nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 29
                +1
                Are you serious about Red

                No, just an assumption.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 29 December 2019 17: 05
                  +1
                  This subject has the intelligence of a speculator in flowers; he is not capable of more, even if the demand for flowers changes.
          3. Doctor
            Doctor 29 December 2019 17: 32
            +1
            The materials known to us will burn. Admittedly, neither I nor you are completely up to date with the lineups.


            In the atmosphere they’ll burn. But he maneuvers ABOVE 40 km, even for 80. From the 2nd minute.

            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 29 December 2019 19: 03
              +1
              Quote: Arzt
              he maneuvers ABOVE 40 km, even for 80. From the 2nd minute.

              All our aeroballistic products go at an altitude of 40-5 km ... Above - there is nothing to rely on the surfaces, so 80 km ... it is doubtful very much, unless, of course, such a GZLA does not have a jet deagle ... But it is doubtful for the reason for the heat resistance of materials DU ... Ceramics / composite, and even with heat removal, here is probably the way to solve the problem ...
              IMHO
        3. Winnie76
          Winnie76 29 December 2019 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise it will burn without a trace

          This is not Spike, from which the stub remains on 3 max. Hi-tech, such a scientific word that explains everything. By the way, the professor loves to use laughing
        4. BLOND
          BLOND 29 December 2019 12: 40
          0


          what conclusion?
        5. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 29 December 2019 12: 48
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "while in the atmosphere it drops to Mach 20-25" ////
          ----
          20-25 - this is just in space.
          And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.

          "The dagger does not leave the atmosphere at all and flies 10 swings without problems
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 December 2019 12: 54
            +5
            A dagger is a single-stage solid-fuel ballistic missile Iskander air launch.
            It is time to understand and remember this.
            All its characteristics are TTX Iskander. And Iskander hits the target vertically at a speed of 3 MAX.
            If there were more, he would never hit the target with high accuracy with a KVO of 10-15 m.
            The Iskander / Dagger is a very formidable weapon due to its short, very fast flight at an altitude of 40-50 km and high accuracy.
            It is extremely difficult to bring down with missile defense.
            No time to react.
          2. Robertocalos
            Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 38
            -4
            Of course not. It accelerates to the apogee of the trajectory to about this speed, shoots the engine, and then the combat unit falls on the target. This is an ordinary ballistic missile.
            1. Aibolit
              Aibolit 29 December 2019 17: 02
              0
              Neither the Dagger, nor Iskander, “shoots” anything, neither the engine, nor the corps
              Do not whistle.
              There are no governing bodies on the warhead.
        6. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2019 12: 53
          +2
          It will not burn because the case is made of heat-resistant and refractory materials and a special coating here recently, the topic was the use of magnetic fields to reduce the effect of hot plasma on descent vehicles
        7. opus
          opus 29 December 2019 13: 09
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          20-25 - this is just in space.

          what swings (such mysterious numbers) can be in "space" IN VACUUM?
          fool
          Mach number - in mechanics continuous media - one of the criteria for similarity in mechanics liquid and gas. Represents ratio of the flow velocity at a given point in the gas flow to the local sound propagation velocity in a moving environment

          I assure you, above 100km you can squeak, scream, knock, and even fart, but no one will hear the sound of your body except you.
          There is no sound and no "swing".
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 December 2019 13: 16
            +1
            The number of MAX in space is a CONDITIONAL conversion from m / s in a dense atmosphere.
            And the numbers in MAX for the warhead speed in space are used to make it easier to compare them with airplanes and KR. The numbers 20-25 MAX for warheads are often found in popular articles, although they are not scientifically correct. hi
            1. opus
              opus 29 December 2019 14: 25
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The number of MAX in space is a CONDITIONAL conversion from m / s

              this is the same unscientific crap as
              Quote: voyaka uh
              braking in semi-outer space 100-50 km

              partially berman.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              often found in popular articles,

              Eugene Damantsev
              Quote: voyaka uh
              for warhead speed in space they are used to make it easier to compare

              Mach number is one of the similarity criteria in a gas speaker
              The meaning of this slightly intricate name is actually simple and lies in the fact that if two or more physical systems have the same similarity criteria of equal magnitude, then this means that the systems in question are similar, that is, similar or, to put it very simply: identical.

              and no need or sexual intercourse to use the number M in a vacuum and
              Quote: voyaka uh
              with airplanes and kr
              = NO, from the word completely
              Threat
              N.V. Maievsky in his research and development (advanced for his time and later becoming fundamental) operated on a concept similar to Mach number, and 15 years earlier than his German counterpart.

              An interesting fact is that in Soviet science (and in scientific literature, especially before the war and immediately after it), this term was often used either without decoding (just the number M, the word "Mach" was not made clear), or using the second surname - Maievsky . That is, the Mach-Maievsky number.
              Ernst Mach in his philosophical views, according to V.I. Lenin was a "subjective idealist"
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 29 December 2019 16: 01
                +1
                "partially pregnant" ////
                ----
                The border of the cosmos is 100 pure convention. And you probably know that.
                Therefore, the term "semi-space" when applied to heights of 50-100 km is correct. These are heights where airplanes ALREADY cannot fly, and satellites still cannot fly. Russians and Chinese are trying to use these heights for planning nuclear warheads
                1. opus
                  opus 29 December 2019 22: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  the term "semi-space" in relation to heights of 50-100 km is correct.

                  don’t try such a horseradish blurt out where is the thread: bachelor’s degrees will be deprived, if any
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  These are heights where ALREADY can not fly planes

                  X-15 - experimental planeUS rocket.
                  flew "there"
                  LTH
                  Flight altitude - up to 107 km,
                  Speed ​​- up to 6,72 M
                  start (uncoupling) from the carrier aircraft at an altitude of 11000 m, then
        8. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 31 December 2019 07: 54
          +1
          The speed of the warhead of the R-12 rocket at the end of the active section at an altitude of 25 km is about 2,5 km / s, from open sources.
        9. telobezumnoe
          telobezumnoe 29 February 2020 16: 40
          0
          it wouldn’t burn out, even the honor of such an empty aluminum barrel as a station the world flew to the ground, the problem is ignorance and accuracy, of course for 100 yo deviation of XNUMX meters is not critical, but still, they are slowed down for navigation and correction, gyroscopes can now be accurate grew so much that even without the use of GOS, relief corrections can be achieved with the necessary accuracy, but there was a fairy tale that even without the use of yao, due to a kinetic blow, you can nakiluil pretty strong, there would be accuracy, and that's how it got it just know hypersound O blocks
    3. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 08: 25
      +16
      Hi, hello! hi
      And there are no open explanations of how this tool with a maneuvering unit returns to hypersonic speed after re-entering the atmosphere - at the final stage of the attack.

      Maybe they still have the keys to the apartment where the money is? wink
      The essence of the perplexity of Western authors is as follows: so at what speed will the avant-garde blocks approach directly to the target? If this is not hypersonic speed, then the blocks "can be intercepted"; if hypersonic, then how can such a speed be achieved when entering the atmosphere? It should be noted that similar questions about the hypersonic blocks of the latest missile system are being asked in Russia.

      Perplexed and do not understand? It’s nothing: billions of people on the planet use electricity, not understanding what it is. lol
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 08: 40
        +3
        Hello Pasha hi
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Perplexed and do not understand? It's nothing: billions of people on the planet use electricity, not realizing what it is

        I agree. As well as the fact that you can’t show them the look of this block, so as not to demastrate some of the solutions used in it. He does not just fly at monstrous speeds, but he is also able to perform maneuvers ...
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 08: 51
          +7
          Quote: svp67
          He does not just fly at monstrous speeds, but he is also able to perform maneuvers ...

          And what maneuvers! Able to maneuver from the missile defense zone. Mattresses would have allocated a lot of green candy wrappers, if only he got to them. Not on its own, essessa. lol
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2019 08: 55
            +5
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Not on its own, essessa.

            And let the "Post of Russia" be asked, it has already delivered a meteorite to Chelyabinsk ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 09: 03
              +4
              Quote: svp67
              And let the "Russian Post" be asked

              While it delivers - the Russian Federation will come up with something new. wassat
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 December 2019 09: 06
                -1
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                While it delivers - the Russian Federation will come up with something new.

                Not without this ... The meteorite was the same at the "end of the world" ordered, was late. And without him what the end of the world, so the people did not wait
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 09: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: svp67
                  And without it, what is the end of the world, so the people did not wait

                  Uh-huh, in the end the end of the world was postponed "by causal techniques." lol
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 29 December 2019 09: 13
                    -1
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Uh-huh, in the end, the end of the world was postponed "for causal techniques"

                    Well, what was to be done, they drank vodka, ate an appetizer, the people sold ...
          2. Robertocalos
            Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 13
            -1
            How many classes have graduated? If it `s not a secret?)
          3. Doctor
            Doctor 29 December 2019 17: 02
            0
            Mattresses would have allocated a lot of green candy wrappers, if only he got to them.


            Baranets says that Kudryavtsev has already told them everything.


            On Friday, July 20, it became known about the beginning of an investigation into the case of high treason at TsNIIMash, the head scientific institute of Roscosmos. There was information that the FSB is searching TsNIIMash as part of a high treason case. According to law enforcement agencies, information about secret developments in the field of hypersound has leaked abroad.
            Searches took place in the office of Dmitry Payson, director of the information and analytical center "Roscosmos". He himself declined to comment and resigned.
            On Sunday, it became known that Viktor Kudryavtsev, an employee of the institute, was suspected of treason. He is accused of transmitting classified information to one of the NATO countries.
            On July 23, the website of the state corporation reports: "The investigating authorities are checking the events of 2013, which is also confirmed by the period during which materials in the building of Roscosmos and FSUE TsNIIMash were seized during searches."
            The head of the press service of "Roskosmos" Vladimir Ustimenko also reported that investigative actions were underway with several more employees of TsNIIMash.


            https://rubin65.livejournal.com/1058582.html
        2. Robertocalos
          Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 41
          -3
          The main thing here is not to show, so you all do not understand that the mountain gave birth to a mouse. Dagger - a ballistic missile with a warhead maneuvering according to the algorithm. This happens at the FINAL stage of the trajectory. Until this moment, his flight is NOT DIFFERENT from Poplar or Mace.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 29 December 2019 17: 26
            -1
            The main thing here is not to show, so you all do not understand that the mountain gave birth to a mouse.


            Can not be. Rogozin himself has been practicing since 2012. The boy said the boy did!

            https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=910912#
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 29 December 2019 09: 54
        +2
        Perplexed and do not understand? It’s nothing: billions of people on the planet use electricity, not understanding what it is.


        The physics of electricity is understandable. And the physics of the Vanguard is not quite.
        1. Robertocalos
          Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 44
          -2
          I will formulate otherwise. From the first stories about a height of 90 km and Mach 22 (7 km / sec) without an engine, 5000 km in length and controlled maneuver, it is clear that this contradicts physics completely. But excites fragile minds specifically. But, unfortunately, new physics has not yet been invented.
        2. dauria
          dauria 29 December 2019 14: 19
          +3
          The physics of electricity is understandable.


          I would like to know what an elementary charge is, where does it go during the annihilation of an electron and a positron, and most importantly - where does it come from when this pair is born "out of nothing". He is - this is the only thing we know. We know how to count, came up with a bunch of equations from Maxwell to electroweak interaction. What's the point?
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 29 December 2019 09: 23
      +2
      That is, espionage is already going on insolently, through the "pocket" media! In general, unlimited arrogance!
    5. Bar2
      Bar2 29 December 2019 09: 36
      +6
      The Aviationist: “There is no explanation of how the Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”


      this airman is so called in vain because he cannot even understand the elementary.
      Acceleration of a spacecraft is provided by a carrier rocket, which takes the spacecraft into, say, orbit, while the spacecraft’s speed will be 8 km / s — the first spacecraft, then the spacecraft leaves the orbit making a speed-quenching pulse, but doesn’t dampen the speed too much, and the spacecraft simply falls in ballistic to earth, gaining speed even exceeding the first cosmic i.e. 8km / s is 24 speeds of sound in the lower layers of the atmosphere. These are the speeds with which the Vanguard will attack targets.
      It’s ridiculous to talk about hypersound in this situation, because any spacecraft including the Vanguard most of its trajectory, to a height of 20 km, when the dense layers of the atmosphere begin and where the speed of sound is actually measured, simply drops. Then the planning flight of this bomb with wings begins without significant loss of speed for the passage of air defense systems, it is possible that the Vanguard is repelled from the dense layers of the atmosphere by jumping like a stone through water.
      The Soviet Buran acted exactly the same way, while the accuracy of hitting the landing strip is very high. You can also recall the MIG 105 spacecraft Spiral program, which launched from Tu-95 from a height of 15-12 km and, of course, was subsonic because it was not tested from space . But the MIG-105 had thermal protection specifically for the passage of an uncontrolled section of descent from orbit.

      1. Robertocalos
        Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 47
        -5
        All is well, only it will fall to the ground at a speed of Mach 3-4. Otherwise, it simply will not reach the Earth. "Hypersound" ends on the first descent to 60 km, then the atmosphere slows down the warhead.
    6. Observer2014
      Observer2014 29 December 2019 09: 40
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”
      Once again I am surprised at the inertness of the guys from the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering dense layers, let them admire ...

      I’d love to admire this fireball. What’s secret in this admiring? This nonsense where you don’t need to torture us for a very long time, Especially to learn your military equipment from the Western media. fool tradition has developed in Russia. Uma chtoli is not enough to present YOURSELF !!!! military power like that. So that no one would have a drop of doubt.
      That "Zircon" in all our media is visually published by the American experimental rocket company Boeing wassat Where is the logic in general?
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 09: 45
        +4
        Quote: Observer2014
        I would love to admire this fireball.

        Well, for now, don’t admire these ...
        1. Operator
          Operator 29 December 2019 13: 14
          0
          The video clearly shows a plasma cloud around each of the non-planning ICBM warheads - i.e. their speed at the time of landing exceeds 5 M (is hypersonic).

          Photo of the landing of non-planning warheads of ICBM "Minuteman"
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 43
            -5
            non-planning ICBM warheads - i.e. their speed at the time of landing exceeds 5 M (is hypersonic).

            Q.E.D. Any ICBM is hypersonic. And the fact that the ICBM avant-garde begins with the name hypersonic, this is a marketing ploy, that is, inventing sonorous names to inflate value and sell more expensive.
            1. nickname7
              nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 47
              -3
              It can be assumed that before the next election the guarantor will call this rocket -all-penetrating any missile defense plasma finger of Zeus. And the electorate will choose it again.
          2. Good_Anonymous
            Good_Anonymous 29 December 2019 17: 12
            -1
            Quote: Operator
            The video clearly shows a plasma cloud around each of the non-planning ICBM warheads - i.e. their speed at the time of landing exceeds 5 M (is hypersonic).


            Glowing gas does not mean 5M speed at all.
    7. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 29 December 2019 09: 40
      +6
      The Aviationist: “There is no explanation of how the Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”

      As far back as the 20s, the 20th century, quite serious scientists claimed that the human body could not survive overcoming the speed of sound. If someone does not understand something, this does not mean that it cannot be.
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 13: 48
        +6
        Quote: Siberia 75
        As far back as the 20s, the 20th century, quite serious scientists claimed that the human body could not survive overcoming the speed of sound.

        And in the 19th they claimed that a speed of 40-60 km per hour was dangerous, since a person would die from suffocation ...
    8. Finches
      Finches 29 December 2019 11: 10
      +17
      I remembered a little out of place, but I was lucky and I met people from this world ... Around all the important ones - top managers - ties, jackets, smartest faces ... And in the corner sits a plain-looking peasant who tucks his shirt in his underpants , she won’t even pay attention ..., but it’s the whole research institute, all these academics that exist while he is alive! You want to show off something out of yourself, and he looks at you and smiles so affectionately ... Skolkovo is created, but if Mother Nature does not give birth to one such genius, then even from a million Rogozins, effective managers of Millers, etc. collected in one place will not be of any use, akroma spending of budget funds!
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 29 December 2019 14: 33
        +1
        but it’s the whole research institute, all these academics that exist while he’s alive

        There is an opinion that such geniuses are tracked and lured by high salaries by Western corporations.
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 December 2019 15: 41
          +6
          For sensible students, I know firsthand from the third course, or how the hunt began to light up at some Olympics ... But there aren’t from this world at all, like the mathematician Perelman - she sent the whole world with a million bucks and lives on!
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 36
            0
            some Olympics are already starting the hunt.

            Well, if yours, and if strangers? Puchkov said that the St. Petersburg School of Mathematics, at state expense, actually prepares geniuses for foreign countries.
            1. Finches
              Finches 29 December 2019 16: 43
              +4
              Unfortunately, it was the foreigners — grandmas, grants, a house and a laboratory! It is very difficult to resist this - that's why they leave! I’ll tell you one more thing - having entered the Bologna system of European education, Russia consciously agreed with the brain drain!
    9. figwam
      figwam 29 December 2019 11: 12
      +1
      They need drawings, drawings ...
    10. lucul
      lucul 29 December 2019 12: 29
      +2
      Once again I am surprised at the inertness of the guys from the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering dense layers, let them admire ...

      Maybe they should watch the video of the Chelyabinsk Meteorite? )))
    11. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 12
      -2
      This is an ordinary ICBM, a fresh reptile built well, maybe with minor improvements, And all these hypersound, molecular, plasma, finger of Zeus, photonic, it's all mackreting.
    12. ficus2003
      ficus2003 29 December 2019 15: 29
      -4
      The Vanguard itself was really never shown, only the Ukrainian launch vehicle.
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 16: 09
        +4
        Quote: ficus2003
        only Ukrainian rocket launcher.

        Which, which? Soviet .... Ukraine, as a State, has no relation to its design and production
        1. ficus2003
          ficus2003 29 December 2019 23: 52
          -1
          Received from Ukraine: In the early 2000s, about 30 UR-100N UTTKh liquid-propellant missiles were delivered from Ukraine for "gas debts".
          https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5047200
    13. Doctor
      Doctor 29 December 2019 16: 24
      +1
      At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”


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      2. Maks1995
        Maks1995 30 December 2019 10: 02
        0
        The difference in the video is always somehow strange ...
        In natural shootings - garbage dust, a ball of fire, a long tail, steam smoke - for example, anti-aircraft guns or space launch vehicles will start.
        And here and in other similar ones, a neat neat rocket with a neat neat little flame slowly flies out of smoke and a big fire. No thermal distortion, no trace, nothing!

        Real or 3D movie, what do you think?
    14. Astronaut
      Astronaut 30 December 2019 01: 31
      0
      show them a photo of a "fireball" entering dense layers

      if you type "Hypersonic object 4202" in youtube, then in the first video from MilitaryRussia.ru for 46 seconds, these fireballs are visible
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 29 December 2019 08: 10
    +2
    Most of all, even their military, is necessary for couch analysts.
    Like me. (Well, sinful ...)
    And now the question!
    But why the heck to the shirnarmass to report TRUE information about the parameters of this "product"? We lived in the dark and will live on.
    But it’s skillful to hint that we have something WOW-GO! Just a holy thing.
    As for the enemies, here it is necessary to make sure that they get misinformation and believe in it!
    And this is art!
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 31
      -4
      that we have something wow!

      It is believed that with such low funding for science and R&D, CSO-Go is fundamentally impossible to do. What is it like dress of the naked king, it is believed that the dress is, but in fact the king is naked.
      Here you can understand, if walking along Saratov, you see your reflections in the glass of skyscrapers, TU 244 planes fly from the top (made in the Russian Federation), and you get on the train on a magnetic pad (made in the Russian Federation) and you reach Kamchatka in an hour, then reports of nuclear and hypersound sound normal.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 December 2019 19: 50
        0
        In Russia, 800 billion rubles a year are spent on science for the defense industry, 2,5 trillion rubles, part of this money goes to R&D of the military-industrial complex. Since when did glass skyscrapers become a model of advanced science? A supersonic aircraft for regional lines is too expensive, difficult to maintain and voracious - in the future it may appear when all technical problems associated with such aircraft are solved. A train across Russia on a magnetic cushion - want to ruin a country?
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 29 December 2019 20: 27
          -1
          Russia on a magnetic cushion - do you want to ruin the country?

          It is rather an allegory. But Zamkadye, no matter how much flourishes, large technological projects are impossible without the prosperity of the whole country.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 December 2019 22: 55
            0
            Large technological projects can be developed and created without the prosperity of the whole country; now in Russia there are more than 800 institutes, 1500 enterprises of the military industrial complex, and 600000 enterprises, factories, factories from small to huge - in all areas, and if part of the outback is not developed, this does not mean that nothing to create and we can’t do it.
        2. Robertocalos
          Robertocalos 29 December 2019 22: 48
          -2
          At least one universally applicable high-tech example, invented, produced and implemented in the Russian Federation, show?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 December 2019 15: 06
            -1
            IT sphere turnover of more than 600 billion rubles - than you are not high-tech.
            1. Robertocalos
              Robertocalos 30 December 2019 15: 27
              0
              Not offshore programming, but specific devices, devices, assemblies. Well, 10 billion dollars for 140 million countries is a circus simply.
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 29 December 2019 08: 18
    -2
    And on what rocket this prodigy .... weapons are being launched into space?
    1. Errr
      Errr 29 December 2019 08: 29
      +7
      UR-100N UTTH.
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 09: 31
        +4
        Quote: Herrr
        UR-100N UTTH.

        This is for now, "Sarmat" is being prepared for it, although there will be several of these blocks
    2. U-58
      U-58 29 December 2019 08: 36
      0
      So already written.
      This is Yars.
      And one regiment, according to completely open sources, has already entered the database
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 09: 32
        +4
        Quote: U-58
        And one regiment, according to completely open sources, has already entered the database

        Yes I did
        Quote: U-58
        This is Yars.

        No, not at YaRS, but at the old proven Chelomevsky UR-100N UTTKh.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 December 2019 10: 56
        -2
        Quote: U-58
        So already written.
        This is Yars.

        Where is it written?
    3. lwxx
      lwxx 29 December 2019 08: 55
      +7
      "In the early 2000s, about 30 UR-100N UTTKh liquid-propellant missiles were delivered from Ukraine for" gas debts "; after the collapse of the USSR, they were stored in warehouses in an unfilled state - that is, practically new ones, capable of standing on alert for several decades. these missiles and will become the carriers of the first series of hypersonic gliding warheads in the coming years,
      with the adoption of the RS-28 Sarmat heavy missile, such units will be installed on it. "From open sources.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 29 December 2019 09: 10
        +2
        Another gas shift became a stomp.
  4. U-58
    U-58 29 December 2019 08: 29
    +4
    As far as I understand in biology, any block of a nuclear ballistic missile flies up to the target in hypersound.
    The meanings that we have, that they have, are similar.
    That is, necromancers are interested in the "outrageous" values ​​of the approach speed of the Vanguards.
    The objectives are also understandable: to assess the degree of threat and try on this threat the capabilities of the created four-tier missile defense.
    Historical experience shows that everything secret becomes apparent. The question is how soon their intelligence will acquire such information.
    Moreover, the tests are likely to continue and the hunt for their progress will be a priority for Americans.
    It must be assumed that both China and Israel and NATO will also not remain ordinary consumers of nostril tapes)))
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 43
      0
      that everything secret becomes clear

      All possible options were calculated in the 60s.
      Of course, you can use teleportation or graphene nanotubes, but first they come up with this in science and with the help of the efforts of the whole earth. It is impossible to come up with teleportation to a separate defense department, a separate raw-material state, just as it is impossible to come up with technology that cannot be done in other countries.
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 December 2019 08: 41
    +1
    Theoretically, the ramjet should stand. Another question is how many kilometers does the "flight" of the block go before landing.
    1. D16
      D16 29 December 2019 09: 24
      +5
      Theoretically, the ramjet should stand.

      It is accelerated by the UR100N-UTTX with a payload of 4350 kg. Think you can’t do it? request laughing
      Another question is how many kilometers does the "flight" of the block go before landing.

      AUT lasts 100-150 km. Then the block flies to an intercontinental range. Unlike the now fashionable TT missiles, the UR-100N-UTTX has a minimum range of 1000 km. And this is a much more interesting characteristic. laughing
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 December 2019 11: 02
      -2
      "Theoretically, the ramjet should stand" ////
      ---
      Not at the forefront of ramjet. Gas rudders for maneuvering along astronavigation points. And free gliding with gradual braking in half-space 100-50 km
      1. opus
        opus 29 December 2019 13: 00
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)
        No at the forefront of ramjet

        heartburn.
        I don't know what there is a ramjet or RD, but AGBO "4202" / 15Yu71 is equipped with shunting engines
        Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)
        in half-space 100-50 km

        such words do not exist. It’s like a half-pregnant.
        Threat. and it’s better to start with the terms:
        A hypersonic aircraft is not just an apparatus that moves in the ATMOSPHERE (below the Karman line, at 100 km), like an ICBM or Shuttle, or X-37, but one that can move in the atmosphere for a long time using a propulsion system.
        Then there will be no problems and screams that the FAU-2 is also a GPLA.
        belay
        Cold and Needle, X-51 Waverider is a GPLA
        1. Operator
          Operator 29 December 2019 13: 25
          0
          The first letter in the abbreviation PKB "Avangard" stands for "planning", suddenly laughing
          1. opus
            opus 29 December 2019 14: 32
            +2
            Quote: Operator
            suddenly

            suddenly
            ПKB "Avangard" is an LLC registered at 450075, Ufa, Prospect Oktyabrya, 107/6, APARTMENT 71, 450075. DIRECTOR of the organization SOCIETY S ...

            15П771 Vanguard. This "P" probably?

            15П771 "Vanguard" is a missile complex intercontinental range with aeroballistic hypersonic combat equipment (AGBO)
            I'm wondering
            15Ю71- Yu "how is it decoded?
            PS: The warheads and warheads of missile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces (ICBM and BRRS) GRAU indices

            Orbital, maneuvering, guided and experimental warheads and false targets:
            8F678 "Mayak-1" - Homing warhead of an ICBM. The engine block is 15B36.
            I'm even afraid to suggest how "F" here
            Quote: Operator
            stands for
            1. Operator
              Operator 29 December 2019 19: 23
              -1
              Teach materiel


              Avangard strategic missile system:
              - ICBM UR-100N UTTKH (on UDMG + AT), launch weight 105 tons;
              - planning winged block (PKB) 15YU71, flight weight 4 tons
              1. opus
                opus 29 December 2019 22: 34
                +2
                Quote: Operator
                Teach materiel

                and what is it?
                some iz.ru icteric and poster, poorly drawn by the victim of the exam?
                "we are so hockey materiel is not needed "
                1. Operator
                  Operator 29 December 2019 23: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: opus
                  and what

                  A nitsche laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 00
        -1
        If he can change the flight altitude, it means that the engine is standing - pulsed.
        1. Operator
          Operator 29 December 2019 13: 29
          +2
          The Avangard design bureau changes altitude in the process of rebounds from the atmosphere on the cruise leg of the flight. After moving to the dive site on the target, the PKB changes only the direction of flight in the process of performing the anti-aircraft "snake" maneuver.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 December 2019 16: 10
            -1
            That we do not know for sure.
  6. Aliken
    Aliken 29 December 2019 08: 41
    -1
    We missed the "Vanguard", the mind was not enough to do it ourselves, that's why they groan.
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 08: 42
    +7
    For the "especially gifted" it is possible to explain: If in space the speed reaches 27 M, then why not keep the speed in the atmosphere ... well, let it be 20-22 M! Dive into the atmosphere ... still, not into the "sea-ocean"!
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 51
      +1
      Dive into the atmosphere ... still, not into the "sea-ocean"!

      Oh really ? Dvoehshniki walked physics, on 20-22 M the atmosphere turns into a viscous liquid,
      and at even greater speeds, the air becomes solid.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 14: 22
        +2
        "Clever", I did not compare air with "firmament"! (About the fact that the faster an object moves in the atmosphere at a certain height, the more energy is spent on overcoming air resistance, I am in "courses" ...) Therefore, better compare the "behavior" of 2 such "substances", like air and water when trying to move a "material" object in them with hypersonic ... or, "at least", with supersonic (but the same ...) speed ... By the way, at what altitude does the atmosphere begin and what is the difference in density air at this altitude and at an altitude of ... 10 km .... 5 km ...?
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 17: 26
          +2
          PS By the way, many people ask the question ...: how the glider (!) Returns "back" (ie, from the atmosphere to space ...)! Duc, you "brilliantly" answered this question, arguing about "a viscous liquid and" solid "! wink
  8. jonht
    jonht 29 December 2019 08: 43
    +3
    I’m wondering, where was the information about Vanguard that he was going into space? And if it doesn’t come out, then you don’t need to enter the atmosphere. There are stratospheres you can fly there. And on a dive, the decrease in speed will be less. But this is my vision of the situation.
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 50
      -1
      A carrier rocket enters space. Liquid two-stage with known characteristics. Otherwise, how to reach the goal?
      1. jonht
        jonht 29 December 2019 13: 58
        +1
        Not necessarily, it all depends on the trajectory along which the rocket is launched. Consequently, it can also be within the atmosphere, for example, the stratosphere.
        1. Robertocalos
          Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 29
          -2
          Can. But at 22M it just burns out if 5 thousand km decides to fly.
          1. jonht
            jonht 30 December 2019 00: 28
            0
            The stratosphere is at the border of the atmosphere and space, for us and the FSA this border is slightly different in height, but it can be said within the border of 70-90 km from the earth. The air density is minimal and therefore heating, and short-term heating in a dive we have been solving for a long time. There is a problem with guidance on pitching since the apparatus will be in a cloud of plasma.
            1. Robertocalos
              Robertocalos 30 December 2019 02: 20
              -1
              Minimal and therefore - this is for zhurnalyug. Just google the heat at different heights at different speeds. And then choeta meteorites burn as if in themselves.
              1. jonht
                jonht 30 December 2019 04: 31
                0
                It’s strange, but the ships that descend to the ground quite well reach themselves, and ordinary warheads too.
                1. Robertocalos
                  Robertocalos 30 December 2019 09: 27
                  -1
                  Without hypersonic maneuvers per 1000 km
              2. jonht
                jonht 30 December 2019 05: 05
                0
                The Internet is stupid, not all the message has been saved.
                Perhaps the plasma problem was solved in the same way as the problem of rocket movement under water (a barrage) with the help of a cavitator. Well, the Vanguard, for example, a magnetic field or a multilayer combustible protection.
    2. Aibolit
      Aibolit 29 December 2019 17: 17
      +1
      Such an (intercontinental) range cannot be obtained on ur100 without going beyond the Pocket line. Not like that.

      In the stratosphere, one cannot fly at such a speed; in the troposphere it is possible, but not very far
  9. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 08: 46
    0
    And I thought about something else after reading the article. About what exactly, what foreign journalists are "asking for clarification and seeing" are the main unresolved technical problems in the West-East for the creation of weapons like the "Vanguard".
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 29 December 2019 10: 01
      +1
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      About what exactly, what foreign journalists are asking to explain and see

      So,
      I need to be aware - I make money(C) yes
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      are the main unresolved technical problems in the west-east

      And other departments are already working on this part. And if they dig a thread, then they are unlikely to share it with the journaloids. Another thing is that they have not yet dug up, but these are their problems.
      And, accordingly, on the contrary - the media people will not give the info until they publish it.
  10. Amateur
    Amateur 29 December 2019 08: 48
    +6
    The essence of the perplexity of Western authors is as follows: so at what speed will the avant-garde blocks approach directly to the target?


    The bourgeoisies do not read Soviet classics. (True, a bad boy grew out of Yegor's grandson, who almost betrayed his Motherland for a jar of jam and a box of cookies, but this is already "the cost of upbringing in a" God's chosen "family). And the great-granddaughter Masha is from the category of terms prohibited on VO.
    PySy. Interestingly, if we write in plain text a quote from V.I. Lenin about Trotsky, will it be deleted and a ban will be assigned? I flew for Lavrov, although by that time only the lazy did not use this quote
    1. Rock616
      Rock616 29 December 2019 21: 19
      0
      If my memory serves me, then the daddy of the Yegor was the adopted son of the family of the writer Gaidar, but this certainly does not cancel the fact that the Judas of the Russian land grew up from the Yegor .. After all, this book (about the boy Kibalchish) was read to him in any case childhood, and probably not once .. request
  11. Yves762
    Yves762 29 December 2019 08: 49
    +2
    what what what
    Maybe I didn't understand something, or I looked in the wrong place, but even the Google translator gives a different meaning: "Not a single image of the Vanguard has been released, and there is no open explanation of how the maneuvering vehicle maneuvers at hypersonic speed after re-entry or returns to the atmosphere in the final phase of the attack. This is the phase of flight when most missile defense systems hit an approaching target.
    (https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/28/russia-deploys-long-range-hypersonic-missile-system-invulnerable-to-intercept/)
    request The author, what the hell!?!?!?! request
  12. Langf
    Langf 29 December 2019 08: 54
    +5
    No drawings, no formulas, no technological map - there is something to take offense at. Ooty ways - some kind of kindergarten. Even by the 180th engine, they did not do their homework, but they want to know the differential with a bent integral.
  13. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 29 December 2019 08: 55
    +5
    I.D.I.O.T.Y. - no words.
    Give them an image.
    Receive "cocoa with tea" on time
  14. bistrov.
    bistrov. 29 December 2019 09: 07
    -1
    This cannot be, because this can never be ..., hehe ...
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 December 2019 09: 16
    0
    How is it that "them" manages ... It is clear that it was not easy to make such a "toy", a lot of labor and talent was spent, and a lot of funds, apparently ... And the shape of the device can tell a lot to competitors. That is why it is not necessary
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 54
      0
      How is it that "them" mangles ...

      Nonsense, they just want to get more money out of Congress.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 December 2019 09: 43
    0
    And the key to the apartment, where does the money lie to them not to give? Well, you can’t be so stupid.
  17. KCA
    KCA 29 December 2019 10: 14
    +1
    For some reason I think that he doesn’t enter the dense layers of the atmosphere until he dives at the target, and before that he jumps on them like pebbles in the water
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 33
      +2
      For some reason I think that he doesn’t enter the dense layers of the atmosphere until he dives at the target, and before that he jumps on them like pebbles in the water


      Maybe lower.

      "One of the participants in those events, Lavochkin's deputy for testing, Leonid Zaks, said that somehow an American magazine got into the hands of the Buri designers, in which a map of the USSR was presented with take-off and hit points, as well as flight routes of domestic long-range missiles. There were all the missiles, except for the "Tempest." The fact is that NATO in Turkey had surveillance systems that detected the upper part of the flight path of Soviet ballistic missiles. Based on the laws of ballistics, you can easily calculate the rest of the missile route, the place of its takeoff But the "Tempest" flew much lower and could make a maneuver at any given moment, so the part of its trajectory could not calculate the entire flight, determine the place of launch or hit. That was also a success. "
      1. KCA
        KCA 29 December 2019 15: 22
        0
        So "The Tempest" was an intercontinental cruise missile, not a ballistic missile, how can you calculate its trajectory?
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 December 2019 12: 56
      +2
      The time will come, in their own skin they will find out what, why and why. lol
    3. KCA
      KCA 30 December 2019 16: 16
      0
      Have I guessed by the simplest logical thinking? Here Y. Vyatkin wrote practically my words in his article: “the speeds are completely different there, and the possibilities for maneuvering along the course and altitude are also radically lower, and“ planing jumps ”or, if you like,“ pebble jumps on water ”from the earth's atmosphere are also not available "
  18. Dmitry Donyakin
    Dmitry Donyakin 29 December 2019 10: 17
    -2
    Let them find the fall of a "meteorite" near Chelyabinsk and admire it. How it enters and at what speed. Then there was a lot of arguing about what it was. A rocket can't do that. And the Vanguard? Then they did not hear about him. Just a bad test. They should have tested him. And test failures are a normal workflow. I am not stating this, but ... As a guess. Fireball, powerful blow, series of explosions, shock wave. And this is just a blank, without a warhead.
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 51
      0
      Did you see how the meteorite maneuvers? And yes, he burned all this time so that pebbles fell to the ground.
    2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 29 December 2019 14: 01
      +1
      Get drunk.
      1. Robertocalos
        Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 08
        -1
        Do not judge by yourself, do not use.
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  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 December 2019 10: 27
    0
    laughing These are funny newspaper people. Show them everything, tell them everything, explain everything to them. Or maybe even give the drawings and put it into production? Yes, you, my friend, are subdued or completely insolent. Ali have already canceled military secret? what
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 December 2019 11: 30
      0
      Quote: Captive
      laughing These are funny newspaper people. Show them everything, tell them everything, explain everything to them.

      Among the commentators on VO are such a fig, although they are not newspaper men.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 29 December 2019 11: 39
        +1
        winked I noticed that.
  21. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 29 December 2019 10: 34
    0
    Quote: svp67
    At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”
    Once again I am surprised at the inertness of the guys from the press service of the RF Ministry of Defense. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering dense layers, let them admire ...

    If you understood this issue, you would not write this. The Fireball can reveal a lot of the tactical data of this device. Let their imagination be completed by the lack of information. The known edge of the secret is much more frightening than the whole secret. Let these "partners" use all the means, bear the cost of finding the secret. Our business today is to carry out tests in those short moments when they do not have time to consider everything in detail from orbit.
  22. bald
    bald 29 December 2019 10: 34
    0
    They need the keys to the room where the money is.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 12
      +1
      They need the keys to the room where the money is.


      Everyone is here.

      http://www.npomolniya.ru/
  23. Doctor
    Doctor 29 December 2019 10: 44
    +2
    In fact, it would be strange if manufacturers put all their trump cards on the table and began to explain to each questioner the technologies that were used to create the latest weapons.


    The first "Vanguard" hails from Nazi Germany. "Silberfogel" (silver bird) - a project of a high-altitude partially-orbiting bomber-spacecraft of the Austrian scientist Dr. Eugen Senger. Other project names - Amerika Bomber, Orbital-Bomber, Antipodal-Bomber, Atmosphere Skipper, Ural-Bomber

    Manned bomber.
    TTX
    The length of the bomber is 28 m, the wingspan is about 15 m, the dry weight is 10 tons, the fuel weight is 84 tons. The total starting weight of the bomber is about 100 tons. The rocket engine was to develop thrust up to 100 tons.

    An article about him is here.

    https://topwar.ru/24604-serebryanaya-ptica-nadolgo-perezhivshaya-reyh.html
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  26. Doctor
    Doctor 29 December 2019 10: 50
    0
    Continuation of “Silberfogel” - Senger-2.

    TTX
    The total mass of the system was to be about 366 tons. The carrier aircraft had a dry mass of 156 tons and 98 tons of hydrogen as fuel. The dry mass of the orbital aircraft was planned at 33 tons, and the mass of fuel and oxidizer (liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, respectively) was 74 tons. The total carrying capacity of the orbital aircraft was to be 5 tons.

  27. Doctor
    Doctor 29 December 2019 10: 55
    0
    US manned "Vanguard" - X-20 Dyna-Soar (1957-1963)

    TTX (without TransStage stage):
    Length - 10,77 m.
    Wingspan - 6,35 m.
    The maximum takeoff weight - 5,165 tons.
    Payload - 450 kg.
    The volume of the cab is 3,50 cubic meters.
    Crew - 1 person (up to four in the future).

    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 02
      -1
      His lunar program would kill if this did not happen, this spaceship would take place.
  28. Doctor
    Doctor 29 December 2019 11: 03
    +3
    Vanguard's great-grandfathers

    Aerospace System “Spiral” - photo in Paul's post (Bar 2).

    Cosmos-1374 is a Soviet space satellite of the BOR-4 type (unmanned orbital rocket plane).



    BOR-5 (unmanned orbital rocket glider) - an experimental apparatus, the overall weight model of the Buran orbital ship in a scale of 1: 8.

    1. opus
      opus 29 December 2019 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: Arzt
      Vanguard's great-grandfathers

      and didn’t stand close /
      "grandfathers" is
      Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle (abbreviated MARV or MaRV)
      Carriers
      R-27K

      Pershing II with 640 kg RV
      B-611 (BP-12B / CM-401) with tonnage WU-14
      --------------------
      and burs and spirals are different. Absolutely.
      1. for AGBO "4202" / 15Ю71 reusability is not required
      2. AGBO "4202" / 15 is many times more (if not an order of magnitude) located in the dense layers of the atmosphere both in time and in km.
      3. AGBO "4202" / 15Ю71 uses remote control to achieve the goal, but they do not
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 58
        0
        and burs and spirals are different. Absolutely.


        Not really. Well I say - cousins.

        Here is my grandmother.

        “However, not only abroad, but even among our rocket specialists admitted to top secret work, a very narrow circle knows that the famous G7 had a strong competitor in the delivery of a nuclear charge - the Tempest composite cruise missile. The storms began before the R-1959 flew, but were terminated in XNUMX.
        Almost none of our rocket and space specialists know that the modern, well-known winged ship Buran had a top secret, also winged namesake. He, having no time to make one flight, was stopped in production after the first successful flight of a ballistic "seven".
        B. Chertok. Rockets and people.


        1. opus
          opus 29 December 2019 13: 01
          +2
          Quote: Arzt
          Here is my grandmother.

          no
          3,2-3,3 Mach, this is not hypersound
        2. albert
          albert 29 December 2019 16: 20
          0
          LKS, a campaign of the same type
  29. Doctor
    Doctor 29 December 2019 11: 16
    +1
    The last peep of the state avant-garde fashion.

    For civilians.
    "Dream Chaser" (Russian "Running for a dream") - reusable spacecraft, developed by the American company SpaceDev



    For the military.
    Old (1959-1970)
    X-15 - an experimental US rocket plane. First manned hypersonic aircraft-Airplane making suborbital manned space flights. The first reusable spaceship.



    Brand new.
    Boeing X-37 (also known as the X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV) - orbital test ship) - The aircraft is designed to operate at altitudes of 200-750 km, is able to quickly change orbits, maneuver. It is supposed to be able to carry out reconnaissance missions, deliver small cargoes into space (also return).

    The purpose and tasks for which the US Air Force uses an orbital plane were not disclosed in detail.

    During the fourth flight, the spacecraft was in orbit for 718 days, during the fifth - 780.

    1. opus
      opus 29 December 2019 12: 34
      +4
      The last peep of the state avant-garde fashion.

      here it (listed) here to what?
      Neither Dream Chaser, nor X-15, nor X-37B
      1. are not a means of delivering ammunition to the target
      2. are not platforms that are delivered to the target, by launching the TERRESTRIAL ICBM
      3.Do not be in service with the United States
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 29 December 2019 13: 00
        0
        here it (listed) here to what?


        All are one family. Further development and parallel branches of Zilberfogel

        And this is the birth of "Vanguard"


        1. opus
          opus 29 December 2019 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: Arzt
          Further development and parallel branches of Zilberfogel

          take it easy you with this bird
          Just read E. Sänger, Neuere. Ergebnisse der Raketenflugtechnik, Flug, Sonderheft I (Dec. 1934)
          The Silbervogel is an orbital bomber that carries weapons (bombs), but not the hypersonic "bomb" itself.
          Yes, this is a theory, there was nothing in the iron, and could not be
      2. Robertocalos
        Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 22
        -2
        You can put a warhead in the HALL. The launch vehicle (another name for ICBMs) takes it into orbit. He can maneuver in the atmosphere and, most importantly, he exists. For several years now. No screeching "has no analogues! Hypersound! Not the Russian countries with their missile defense". This is the difference between serious work on advanced weapons and jingoistic pumping, in which the President of the Russian Federation repeats the obvious lies of his subordinates and he is not ashamed of it.
        1. opus
          opus 29 December 2019 22: 28
          0
          Quote: Robertocalos
          You can put a warhead in the HALL

          possible, but not necessary.
          If in IL-76 / AN-124
          Quote: Robertocalos
          shove

          BoNbu, he does not become a bomber from this.
          Quote: Robertocalos
          He can maneuver in the atmosphere and, most importantly, he exists.

          in the atmosphere, he maneuvers a cuto: 250 miles from the calculated point, and even then not always.
          Quote: Robertocalos
          in which the President of the Russian Federation repeats the obvious lies of his subordinates and he is not ashamed of it.

          I agree, but this is not relevant to the topic of discussion
  30. Azimuth
    Azimuth 29 December 2019 11: 49
    0
    And it remains only to protect against the Vanguard the withdrawal of missile defense into space. So we are waiting for the next contract break.
  31. Operator
    Operator 29 December 2019 12: 21
    -3
    When entering the atmosphere at an altitude of 100 km, the speed of an uncontrolled ICBM warhead is 25 M, and in a collision with the earth's surface - 10 M. And nothing burns, except for the external ablation coating.

    The gliding winged block "Avangard" in the process of rebounds from the atmosphere at altitudes of 80-130 km loses speed from 25 M to 12 M, and in the process of descent - to 5 M.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 30
      0
      Gliding winged block "Vanguard" in the process of rebounds from the atmosphere at altitudes


      The third version of the Zilberfogel operating mode:

      The third version of the flight mode
      "Zenger assumed to use the" wave-like planning "mode, reminiscent of the movement of a stone, reflected when thrown from the water, and making" pancakes. " flight.
      To obtain such a flight regime, the rocket plane would have to gain a maximum speed of 7000 m / s to an altitude of 280 kilometers, at a distance of 3500 kilometers from the launch point, make the first descent and "rebound from the atmosphere" at an altitude of 40 kilometers, 6750 kilometers from the launch point. The ninth glide and "rebound" would be already at a distance of 27 kilometers from the starting point. After 500 hours 3 minutes after the launch, having completely rounded the Earth, the rocket plane would land at an airfield in Germany, having arrived from the opposite side of the launch site. The calculated bombing point would be on one of the descents to the surface of the earth. "

      Planning winged block "Vanguard" in the process .... and in the process of descent - up to 5 M


      The Tempest started with this.

      “But for the Tempest, after certain modifications, the streak of failures ended. On December 28, 1958, it made a successful flight (9th) lasting 309 seconds. In the following flights (the tenth and eleventh launches), record results for that time were obtained: a flight range of 1350 km at a speed of 3300 km / h and 1760 km at a speed of 3500 km / h. In the USSR, in the atmosphere at speeds of the order of M = XNUMX, not a single device has flown so far. "
    2. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 54
      -1
      That sounds like the truth. A trip at an altitude of 90 km on Mach 22, and even with controlled maneuvers - unscientific fiction. And exactly this was given by the media a year ago. Quoting yourself you know whom.
  32. opus
    opus 29 December 2019 12: 28
    +2
    Quote: Author
    The Aviationist: “There is no explanation how the Vanguard is returning to hypersound in the atmosphere "

    did the translation author avatar google?
    No avant-garde images have been published, and there are no open explanations of how a maneuvering combat unit carries out evolutions with hypersonic speed after re-entry when returning to the dense layers of the atmosphere in the final phase of the attack.
    This phase of flight corresponds to when most missile defense systems hit an approaching target.

    and that’s all at once in its place. nor any conspiracy theories and Americans are not donkeys.

    Avangard launches flight using ICBM launch pad - Russian / here he is mistaken, this is the Soviet ICBM / Stiletto SS-19 ICBM (also known as UR-100UTTkh). The HGV Vanguard separates from its ICBM withdrawal platform after reaching a climax or maximum altitude of approximately 100 km. After separation from the ICBM launch platform, Avangard re-enters the atmosphere at hypersonic speed without using a remote control. This flight profile is no different / here Tom confuses flat trajectories and a typical ICBM flight profile / from existing deployed hypersonic / here Tom is mistaken in terminology / ICBM weapons used by the USA and other countries. What is said to distinguish the Vanguard from existing means of charge delivery is its maneuverability

    as seen
    Quote: Author
    The Aviationist: "NoIS explanationsйI, as "Vanguard" returns to hypersound in the atmosphere "
    for Aviationist, but there is no such explanation for TopVar author of this article ...

    And do not think that the author of the article in Aviationist is dumber than the author of this article in TopVar.
    reference:
    Tom Demerly is an article writer, journalist, photographer and editor who has published worldwide on TheAviationist.com, TACAIRNET.com, Outside Magazine, Business Insider, We the Mighty, The Dearborn Press & Guide, National Interest. Russian government media "Sputnik" and many other publications. Demerry studied journalism at Henry Ford College in Dearborn, Michigan. Tom Demerle He served in the intelligence unit of the US Army and the National Guard of Michigan. His military education himself honorary graduate degree from the US Army Infantry School in Fort Benning, Georgia (cycle C-6-1) and as an intelligence observer in the intelligence unit, Company F, 425th INF (RANGER / AIRBORNE), Long Range Observation Unit (LRSU). Demerli is an experienced paratrooper ...
    here he is the "dumb" American author of an article in Aviationist, who
    Quote: Author
    “There is no explanation of how Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere.”

  33. Robertocalos
    Robertocalos 29 December 2019 12: 29
    -3
    There is nothing strange. I became interested in this topic three days ago and actively communicated in the last thread on the topic of Vanguard. Then he shoveled the network over the past 1,5 years. Official media write Old as a blueprint from the words of the Ministry of Defense and "experts". The testimonies vary to the point of indecency. The real version: the ICBM launches the unit into space, and at the last 1000 km to the target, the Vanguard begins to glide at the target in the atmosphere, naturally reducing the speed to the physically possible (3-4 M) and laying a couple of turns, which are included in the control program. Unreal unscientific fiction: BR lifts the block 90 km and there it flies 5000 km to the target at 22 Mach (sic!) And maneuvers almost according to commands from the center. This version was first voiced by Putin. Obviously he is not a physicist and they simply slipped misinformation on him.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 37
      0
      , naturally reducing the speed to the physically possible (3-4 M) and laying a couple of turns, which are included in the control program.


      Конечно.

      "The total launch weight of the Buri exceeded 90 tons. The total mass of the cruise missile itself was more than 33 tons. The system was designed for a range of 8000 km. at a speed of 3,1 mach. On the marching section, the flight altitude was 17 m. On the approach to the target, the missile made an anti-aircraft maneuver, climbed to an altitude of 500 m and dived steeply. It was already assumed that the rocket would carry an atomic bomb. "
      1. Operator
        Operator 29 December 2019 13: 38
        0
        "Tempest" is a supersonic cruise missile with LPRE, and "Avangard" is a glider without an engine (accelerated with the help of the UR-100N UTTH launch vehicle), feel the difference.

        And so as not to get up twice: "Zircon" - a hypersonic cruise missile with a ramjet engine.
        1. Robertocalos
          Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 23
          -2
          Nobody has seen Zircon. To argue for hypersound. The ramjet with 3 swing works. And at 6 M the surface will heat up to 4 thousand degrees and plasma will appear. How at this speed not to burn, and, most importantly, to aim at the target, science is not yet known.
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 14: 10
      -2
      This version was first voiced by Putin

      This is a pre-election speech, the guarantor voiced it, 3 days before the vote count.
      Obviously, he is not a physicist and they simply slipped him a disu.

      But the ratings took off and won the election, in fact for which it was announced.
      Most lie after the hunt and before the election.
      1. Robertocalos
        Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 19
        -1
        Even here a lot of people do not doubt his words. And how everyone loves to be proud of their Soviet education. But an elementary school course is enough to understand - fairy tales tell you.
  34. Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 December 2019 12: 38
    -1
    Due to the combined scramjet + DRD, low fuel consumption is a huge impulse per unit of time.
  35. Oleg Z
    Oleg Z 29 December 2019 14: 02
    0
    It was awkward. Neither drawings, nor detailed photos, nor how and where it will fly from. So decent partners do not act!
  36. vizir
    vizir 29 December 2019 14: 48
    0
    Yes, you finally give them all the technical documentation, detailed drawings, a working prototype, because the guys are very interested.
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 24
      0
      Pictures of the Boeing X-37 google in seconds.
  37. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2019 15: 25
    +3
    Quote: 1976AG
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "while in the atmosphere it drops to Mach 20-25" ////
    ----
    20-25 - this is just in space.
    And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.

    if he had 3-5 Machs in the atmosphere, he would go astray without any problems, this is the first. The second is that the speed in space is NEVER measured in the mach, because sound does not propagate in space, so if the speed is expressed in Mach, it is already the speed in the atmosphere.

    Precisely, it decreases to such speeds. Alexey (voyaka uh) is absolutely right about that. For example, the same "Iskander" at the end of the OUT has a speed of 2,1 km / s or 6,4 M, but the target has already 700-800 m / s or 2-2,4 M. For strategists, this approach speed is actually on the order of 3-5 Machs. Theoretically, you can shoot down at this speed without any problems. But the truth in this case, the reaction time will be calculated in 3-6 seconds, and this is a ballot for the air defense-missile defense system to react to such a target

    Quote: 1976AG
    You don’t seem to understand that the uniqueness of the Vanguard lies precisely in the fact that it is capable of not only walking in the atmosphere at a speed of Mach 20-25, but also maneuvering along the course and altitude. What gentle descending trajectory are you talking about? Once again, watch the video showing the maneuvers of this unit. And once again I remind you that in space the speed is measured in km / s, and not in Machs. Therefore, if you were given speed in Machs, then this is speed in the atmosphere.

    Alexei! Do not repeat the nonsense, even if said by the President of the country. This block physically cannot go in the atmosphere at a speed of 20-25 because it will burn. At altitudes from 0 to 11 km and speeds of 10M, the braking temperature will be 6051 ° K. At altitudes from 11 to 25 km - 4550 ° K.
    A video showing the maneuvers of this unit does not exist in nature. We are shown animation and nothing more ...

    Quote: sir.jonn
    "The dagger does not leave the atmosphere at all and flies 10 swings without problems

    Well, firstly, the speed of about 1M "Dagger" reaches at the final stage of engine operation. At the end of OUT. Secondly. Further, as it descends into the atmosphere, it begins to slow down. In addition, there is no confirmation that its maximum flight altitude is only 9 km. Here either-or. Either the flight altitude (apogee) is much greater than 2 km and then it will actually reach the declared range of the order of 100-100 km, or its apogee is less than 2000 km, but then there can be no talk of such a range

    Quote: Robertocalos
    Of course not. It accelerates to the apogee of the trajectory to about this speed, shoots the engine, and then the combat unit falls on the target. This is an ordinary ballistic missile.

    "Dagger", like "Iskander" does not have a detachable warhead. The entire rocket falls on the target

    Quote: D16
    AUT lasts 100-150 km. Then the block flies to an intercontinental range. Unlike the now fashionable TT missiles, the UR-100N-UTTX has a minimum range of 1000 km. And this is a much more interesting characteristic.

    The UR-100N UTTH ICBM has an active section height of 400 km. And only after the completion of the OUT is the separation of the "payload"
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 16: 53
      -1
      Out with a correlation how? 1:10? It seemed to me less
  38. Afghan1979
    Afghan1979 29 December 2019 15: 33
    0
    Directly according to Ilf and Petrov, "maybe you have the keys to the safe ....".
  39. certero
    certero 29 December 2019 16: 49
    0
    Cooling warheads at supersonic speed was invented in the sixties. Since the disposable thing on top there will simply be an evaporating layer that will serve as cooling.
    And technology has gone a long way since then
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 48
      0
      Very far. It is one thing to cool seconds, even at falling temperatures, and another ten minutes at a constant.
  40. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2019 17: 52
    +2
    Quote: Robertocalos
    Out with a correlation how? 1:10? It seemed to me less

    We are not talking about the correlation of the OUT and the range. The point is that the active section of the trajectory of this liquid-fuel rocket ends at an altitude of 400 km, and not at those 100-150 km that some users like to write about
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 46
      -1
      Does the ICBM fly along a parabola? The higher the OUT, the higher the range. Is not it? OUT - 100, range - about 1000, etc.
  41. Shahno
    Shahno 29 December 2019 19: 28
    -1
    To date. Well, I don’t know, it's all politics. No breakthrough technologies have happened. There are no supermaterials allowing maneuvers in the atmosphere with hypersound, there is no significant progress in signal transmission through plasma. Understand, I am not against your patriotic mood, colleagues. Not at all.
    I would be very glad if a solid body maneuvered at an altitude of 20 km for a long time without losing control. Well, we don’t live in isolation. Sharashka over.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 19: 58
      -1
      These materials and control systems in the plasma stream are a subject of state secrets and will not tell anyone about them in the next few decades, they will not even show the glider.
      1. Robertocalos
        Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 50
        -1
        Century, of course. What is there. In the age of the Internet, political decisions may be a state secret, but not scientific discoveries.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2019 23: 00
          -1
          Recently, the nuclear suitcase was declassified, which Brezhnev had in the 70th year - that's the declassification of the Vanguard, you will wait 50 years.
          1. Robertocalos
            Robertocalos 29 December 2019 23: 10
            -1
            No one was interested in his suitcase. This is not a conceptual invention "based on new physical principles" and with fundamental discoveries.
    2. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 49
      0
      In the Remnants, new physical principles are not revealed. There it was possible to crookedly copy and "improve" other people's samples.
  42. Operator
    Operator 29 December 2019 19: 29
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    we

    You laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 19: 54
      -1
      And you are the same - not the designers of hypersonic gliders.
      1. Operator
        Operator 29 December 2019 20: 03
        -2
        We will be modestly silent bully
  43. Freedim
    Freedim 29 December 2019 19: 36
    0
    So it seems that they said that the main problem was the issue of remote control of an object surrounded by a cloud of plasma, and the "vanguard" became possible only after the solution of this issue. If we discard the theory of "misinformation of a potential adversary through the media", then we can assume that the "plasma cloud" is precisely the "lubricant" (like the cavitation bubbles at the "Shkval") between the gliding block and the atmosphere.
    1. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 52
      -1
      It was not the enemy who was misinformed, but the patriotic public, which still believes in the official media and does not think about the nature of things.
  44. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2019 19: 54
    +2
    Quote: opus
    15P771 Vanguard. This "P" probably?

    15P771 "Avangard" is an intercontinental range missile system with aeroballistic hypersonic combat equipment (AGBO)
    I'm wondering
    15Yu71- Yu "how is it decoded?

    The question is of course interesting, Anton, but this designation (Vanguard) somewhat falls out of the well-known designations.
    You can start with the fact that all mine-based missile systems have the following indexation: 15P0xx, 15P1xx or 15P2xxWhere xx - designation of the rocket. Why such a spread (0хх, 1хх, 2хх) is not yet clear and no one can answer this question, but for example, the currently created complex "Sarmat" will have an index 15P228where the designation of the complex is 15P228, and the designation of the rocket is 15A28.

    designation 15P771 - This is the designation of a mine combat launch complex with ICBM 15A71 (sometimes this missile is called 15A35-71). Roughly speaking, mine.

    Index decoding is interesting 15J71. All media believe that the letter Ю - this is AGBO, citing the Avangard index as an example 15J71 and its pre-existing version 15J70. But whether this is true or not is unknown.
    For example, I heard that this is the designation of products (missiles), with a special warhead. One such rocket is known with certainty - 15Yu75 "Siren" system "Perimeter". The rocket was originally called 15ZH75, but recently this designation has not been found. Following this logic, it is this rocket with the Avangard that should have an index 15J71, and the "Vanguard" itself - the index 15Fh71
  45. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2019 20: 35
    +3
    Quote: ficus2003
    The Vanguard itself was really never shown, only the Ukrainian launch vehicle.

    UR-100N UTTH (aka 15A35) has never been a Ukrainian launch vehicle. This is a Chelomeevsky rocket, from Reutov
  46. Maestro
    Maestro 29 December 2019 22: 12
    0
    The whole "trick" is that the American "Aegis" is sharpened to counter missiles flying along a ballistic trajectory. And the Vanguard block, thrown along a gentle trajectory, and having a "point of impact" no further than Novaya Zemlya or Spitsbergen, even discovered, is not perceived by the missile defense system as a threat to "America's security." Only after the 2nd or 3rd "bounce" from the atmosphere somewhere at an altitude of 50-70 km will the AWACS radars cut off that this "object" has a target in the United States.
    But I remember - their SM-3 kinetic interceptor can only get into freely falling large-sized warheads ...
    ! -)
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 29 December 2019 22: 41
      -1
      Quote: Maestro
      And the Vanguard block, thrown along a gentle trajectory, and having a "point of impact" no further than Novaya Zemlya or Spitsbergen, even discovered, is not perceived by the missile defense system as a threat to "America's security." Only after the 2nd or 3rd "bounce" from the atmosphere somewhere at an altitude of 50-70 km will the AWACS radars cut off that this "object" has a target in the United States.


      This is decided by a software upgrade.

      Quote: Maestro
      But I remember - their SM-3 kinetic interceptor can only get into freely falling large-sized warheads ...


      The SM-3 is an atmospheric interceptor, and the Vanguard's novelty is that it manages to maneuver in the atmosphere. So the SM-3 Vanguard maneuverability does not hurt.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 23: 06
      -1
      SM 3 if it can intercept the warheads of ICBMs, then the effectiveness of this system will be extremely low in view of the presence of false targets light and heavy.
      1. Good_Anonymous
        Good_Anonymous 29 December 2019 23: 27
        0
        Once again: against the SM-3 (and any transatmospheric interceptor), the specific capabilities of the Vanguard are useless. As for the false goals: after the first maneuver of the Vanguard, it becomes clear - this is the real goal.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 December 2019 15: 26
          -1
          They are now developing and testing fast-neutron generators, space-based beam weapons for the selection of false warheads for missile defense systems - this means that the agreement on the non-placement of weapons in space weighs in the balance and there will appear space-based anti-missiles they will be able to seriously combat our ICBMs warheads and Vanguard including. And an analogue of our complex in the USA was tested in the 2010 HTV 2 on a Minotaur 4 rocket.
          1. Good_Anonymous
            Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 15: 37
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            Quote: Vadim237
            fast neutron generators are testing space-based beam weapons for the selection of false warheads for missile defense systems


            Excuse me, are the "fast neutron generators" and "beam weapons" in your commentary — are they two entities or one with a long name? And how will the weapon help the selection of dummy warheads? And which "false warheads" will this weapon select - heavy or light?
  47. Yuri Kharitonov
    Yuri Kharitonov 30 December 2019 00: 08
    +1
    The enemy must be trolled at every opportunity. Let him scratch his turnips .... What we have, what we don’t have, is not his business. According to the secrecy regime, the principle was: "If the enemy does not know what we have, then he does not know what we do not have."
  48. Satanator
    Satanator 30 December 2019 01: 26
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    But why would the Vanguard "return to hypersound in the atmosphere"?
    Russia is not going to attack the USA at all!
    And for a retaliatory strike, for the next 20 years, twenty-four Stilettos with these blocks are quite enough, for example, according to this scenario - the Vanguards start faster than the others, then they are guaranteed to reach the USA, to the specified areas with an accuracy of plus or minus 10 kilometers, and undermined at an altitude of 5-10 km.
    A thermonuclear explosion of 40-50 megatons distributed over the territory makes the missile defense and air defense systems helpless, after which the traditional ballistic blocks from Yars, Topol, Pin, etc. will complete the "afterburning".
    hi
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 02: 28
      +1
      And why is the Vanguard for this and is it capable of carrying a 2Mt warhead?
      1. Satanator
        Satanator 30 December 2019 18: 43
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        to be guaranteed to fly to the USA - the Americans are trying hard to finish the means of intercepting conventional ballistic blocks
        and 2 MT charge, the four-ton block should carry light
        1. Good_Anonymous
          Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 19: 09
          0
          Quote: Good_Anonymous
          And why is the Vanguard for this and is it capable of carrying a 2Mt warhead?
          Quote: Satanator
          to be guaranteed to fly to the USA



          If you think that only the Vanguard can fly to the USA with guarantee, okay.

          Quote: Satanator
          Americans are trying hard to finish the means of intercepting conventional ballistic blocks


          Already 50 years.
    2. Ivan Anatolyevich
      Ivan Anatolyevich 30 December 2019 14: 14
      0
      Here are just "Stilettes" three times extended service life, and the last of them was made in the distant 1985 year
      1. Satanator
        Satanator 30 December 2019 18: 39
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        Vanguards are placed on Stylet from conservation, i.e. essentially new, such pieces are 30, and 20 years will stand on a DB
  49. Nitarius
    Nitarius 30 December 2019 05: 28
    0
    ))) Let them turn to Baba Yaga))) she falls on the coffee grounds))))
  50. cheburator
    cheburator 30 December 2019 09: 56
    +1
    Misunderstandings - watch cartoons! We are Russians, God is with us!