The Aviationist: “There is no explanation of how the Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”


The Western media continues to actively discuss the topic related to the deployment of the Avangard hypersonic missile system in Russia. For many Western experts, the very fact of setting up the complex, which they learned about a year ago, turned out to be a real annoying factor or, if you like, a challenge.


The Aviationist writes that a hypersonic missile, “invulnerable to interception,” has been deployed in Russia.

At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the Avangard has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense.” What other “specific image” do foreign interested parties expect if there are several videos, including one with a missile test?


Also in the material there is the following:

And there are no open explanations of how this tool with a maneuvering unit returns to hypersonic speed after re-entering the atmosphere - at the final stage of the attack. This is the phase of flight in which most missile defense systems are capable of hitting an approaching target.

The essence of the perplexity of Western authors is as follows: so at what speed will the avant-garde blocks approach directly to the target? If this is not hypersonic speed, then the blocks "can be intercepted"; if hypersonic, then how can such a speed be achieved when entering the atmosphere?

It should be noted that similar questions about the hypersonic blocks of the latest missile system are being asked in Russia. We are talking mainly about those objects that were previously called planning blocks, capable of developing hypersonic speed in certain sections of the flight. Intrigues at the time were added by statements by representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who noted that during the tests, the Vanguard reached an incredible speed of 27 Machs.

In fact, it would be strange if manufacturers put all their trump cards on the table and began to explain to each questioner the technologies that were used to create the latest weapons.
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  1. svp67 29 December 2019 08: 03 New
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    At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”
    Once again, I am surprised at the inertia of the guys from the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering into dense layers, let them admire ...
    1. rocket757 29 December 2019 08: 06 New
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      And let's show them the film "DMB", so that they would understand that there is a "gopher" there!
      1. Thrall 29 December 2019 08: 42 New
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        “There is no explanation of how Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”

        Funny people ...
        Here zhezh explain everything:

        smile
        1. svp67 29 December 2019 08: 57 New
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          And the presenters have such normal, credible, slightly covered “blocks” ... is that what surprises this in a Muslim country too?
          1. Shurik70 29 December 2019 10: 01 New
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            It seems that in the 70s (I don’t remember exactly), the Americans came up with the idea of ​​covering a nuclear warhead with a depleted uranium shell.
            Such a shell withstood entry into the atmosphere at cosmic speeds, without any brake block. So there is no "miracle" here.
            I don’t know anything about the use of depleted uranium cases in Russia, but they could have used this method as well. But most likely some other material. Suffice it to recall the ceramic coating "Burana".
            1. svp67 29 December 2019 10: 05 New
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              Quote: Shurik70
              Suffice it to recall the ceramic coating "Burana".

              And we will not remember the Shuttle cover?
              Quote: Shurik70
              It seems that in the 70s (I don’t remember exactly), the Americans came up with the idea of ​​covering a nuclear warhead with a depleted uranium shell.

              We do not advertise this information, but the speeds of our warheads are not low, which means we also have materials similar in properties ...
              1. Shurik70 29 December 2019 10: 08 New
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                Quote: svp67

                And we will not remember the Shuttle cover?

                Let's limit ourselves to Russian technologies.
                Ours, of course, can also privatize (or even honestly buy) this technology. But if our analog is not worse, then why?
                1. svp67 29 December 2019 12: 32 New
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                  Quote: Shurik70
                  But if our analog is not worse, then why?

                  And why then remember the American "uranium" coating of warheads, if ours is clearly not worse, but better
                  1. Shurik70 29 December 2019 12: 45 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    But if our analog is not worse, then why?

                    And why then remember the American "uranium" coating of warheads, if ours is clearly not worse, but better

                    Because the Americans are surprised, although they themselves coped with this task half a century ago.
                    1. svp67 29 December 2019 12: 49 New
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                      Quote: Shurik70
                      Because the Americans are surprised, although they themselves coped with this task half a century ago.

                      Here, apparently, "translation difficulties", since it is worth wondering that these warheads are able to perform maneuvers at such speed in the atmosphere. With all due respect to the Shuttle, Buran and missile warheads, they do not know how to do this.
                      1. Tatar 174 29 December 2019 20: 09 New
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                        Quote: svp67
                        With all due respect to the Shuttle, Buran and missile warheads, they do not know how to do this.

                        You forgot something ... We can do a lot with a crowbar, sledgehammer and some kind of mother ... wink
                    2. telobezumnoe 29 February 2020 16: 26 New
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                      it just looks like a crooked translation of an article, yet Gagarin was no longer seated on a machine that entered the atmosphere and was hypersound, then braked, and the skin was disposable which burned out, but retained the integrity of the device, with shuttle-buranas reusable skin appeared, which nafig is not needed in case of mbr, the only problem is that when a plasma ball arises, radio emission does not pass, hence the well-known silence on the air, when the descent vehicle lands, and only after its braking to sound speeds does the connection reappear. the complexity of hypersonic weapons is in the guidance and control system of the device while it is covered with a plasma cloud due to high speeds, for this they were forced to slow down the mbr at the final stage of the flight, in order to ensure the accuracy of guidance and use of the GPS
                2. NEXUS 29 December 2019 15: 51 New
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                  Quote: Shurik70
                  Let's limit ourselves to Russian technologies.

                  I see that they are discussing depleted uranium as a coating for BG, tantalum, etc. ... and I don’t understand why no one, including Western experts, is considering the option using nanotechnology? Nanotubes placed in any material, a substance changes its basic properties sometimes very dramatically.
                  I think that it was the technology with the use of nanotubes that was applied here. And if someone says that Chubais supposedly hasn’t given birth to anything for so many years, I’ll answer that in addition to the capital’s laboratories, there are many other institutes that work on this topic.
                  Somehow I talked with one scientist (let's say, the middle manager), and it was about new materials for the army, alloys, composites, and so on ... and he told me in a half-joking form, the technologies for obtaining new materials are of the best, strongest , we have lungs and not only a mass, only in addition to this, there are secret laboratories that study and research the materials of downed and crashed UFOs. And the fact that UFOs exist in my opinion no one disputes.
                  And no matter how crazy it sounds, maybe not quite terrestrial technologies are used here, who knows. Indeed, all over the world they are working on such materials, but so far we only have hypersound (stable) and it appeared somehow from nowhere.
                  1. merkava-2bet 30 December 2019 11: 06 New
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                    Fantasy went, I love it very much before going to bed.
                  2. gridasov 13 February 2020 10: 39 New
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                    The fact is that carbon nanomaterials during strong magnetic processes form a gas so the structural polarization of the material at the nanoscale. And then the material just explodes. You didn’t know about this? When I burn the furnace and make the fuel mixture, I add the coal component as a catalyst for burning the entire mixture. Quite a bit. Firewood is half as much.
            2. Aibolit 29 December 2019 11: 41 New
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              It seems that in the 70s (I don’t remember exactly), the Americans came up with the idea of ​​covering a nuclear warhead with a depleted uranium shell.

              wassat
              Masterpiece!
              From Uranus depleted.
              Aha
              19000kg / m ^ 3
              Melting point 1130 ° C +.
              In the aerospace industry, op-amp is used only as a ballast
              1. Shurik70 29 December 2019 12: 51 New
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                Quote: Aibolit

                wassat
                Masterpiece!
                From Uranus depleted.
                Aha
                19000kg / m ^ 3
                Melting point 1130 ° C +.
                In the aerospace industry, op-amp is used only as a ballast

                Initially, this shell was conceived to protect the warhead from missile defense.
                But then they noticed that due to the high density, uranium evaporates very slowly even at hyper speeds. The warhead manages to reach the target before the shell burns out.
                1. Aibolit 29 December 2019 14: 15 New
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                  Missile defense was not then, in practice. They are still gone
                  Evaporation is not related to density, look at lead, mercury
                2. merkava-2bet 30 December 2019 23: 16 New
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                  In warheads, depleted uranium has two functions:
                  1) Power amplification due to the division-synthesis-division reaction, tamper and reflector housing.
                  2) Protection against PFNW, that is, x-ray and neutron radiation, for this, the automation and initiation unit is placed in the charge body.


            3. Vadim237 29 December 2019 12: 47 New
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              Maybe all the same, tantalum alloys covered the warheads, rather than depleted uranium.
            4. Aviator_ 29 December 2019 15: 21 New
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              About "depleted uranium" as a coating. Firstly, its thermal conductivity, like any metal, is very high; it’s very problematic to cover a war block behind it. Secondly, it is simply unsuitable as an ablating coating; there are other compounds. Thirdly, the whole statement about "depleted uranium" for these purposes is a fake.
              1. Leonard Kabachkov_2 29 December 2019 23: 07 New
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                Likely.
            5. merkava-2bet 29 December 2019 16: 47 New
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              In depleted uranium Fusion -1400 * C, a school physics course.
              Depleted uranium is rewarded in the second stage of the thermonuclear charge, tamper, to increase the output energy 5-10 times from the initial two-stage reaction, that is, fission-fusion-fission, but it is also a dirty explosion compared to fission-fusion.
              1. Aviator_ 30 December 2019 08: 05 New
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                It's not about the melting point, but about the use of uranium as a heat-shielding material. To use it in this capacity is nonsense.
            6. Nikolaevich I 30 December 2019 03: 41 New
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              Quote: Shurik70
              I don’t know anything about the use of depleted uranium cases in Russia, but they could have used this method as well.

              Duc, there were rumors about the "uranium" shell of the Satan ICBM warheads! True, here, probably, one will have to figure out how it "gets along" with the statement about the "pyrophoricity" of depleted uranium! But, whatever it was in reality, a very effective heat-shielding coating on the BB "Satan" is ...
          2. PalBor 29 December 2019 10: 48 New
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            Yes, I was surprised too. They probably show that nothing EU is alien to them, one might say, the vanguard of European values! So soon they will reach the "rear guard", forgive the Lord.
          3. withoutreverse 29 December 2019 18: 33 New
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            Zjarr TV (Zjarr Televizion) is a regional brutal television channel in Albania.)
          4. Captain45 29 December 2019 21: 46 New
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            Quote: svp67
            And the presenters have such normal, credible, slightly covered “blocks” ... is that what surprises this in a Muslim country too?

            Here are a hundred pounds, none of the Albanians are yelling at the zombie TV and everyone is watching with interest, at least men, all the news in a row. With such leaders. Offset good
        2. smart ass 29 December 2019 11: 36 New
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          Instead of Solovyov, it would be better if such news included
          1. Fan-fan 30 December 2019 17: 06 New
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            It is useless to compete with a nightingale with such aunts, well, who will watch it if you can see such "blocks".
        3. opus 29 December 2019 13: 07 New
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          Quote: Thrall
          Here zhezh explain everything:

          good
          Thank you.
          my whole village neighs and posts this video
        4. 4ekist 29 December 2019 14: 10 New
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          What was it!!!?
        5. Sergej1972 29 December 2019 16: 07 New
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          A third of Albanians are Christians.)
          1. svp67 30 December 2019 03: 45 New
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            A third of Albanians are Christians.)

            And two-thirds? And what crosses on their necks can not see?
        6. Charik 30 December 2019 04: 05 New
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          are bras forbidden?
        7. Fan-fan 30 December 2019 17: 02 New
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          The first and last have the best "blocks", and how she moves them! Yes, if our announcers would have acted like this, then I would have reviewed all the news several times.
        8. Father of papa carlo 30 December 2019 19: 16 New
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          The topics are revealed and even a fool is understandable. ) laughing
      2. nznz 29 December 2019 17: 48 New
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        DMB is one of my favorites, although I don’t have the habit of watching some movies many times, it’s impressive, I remember it right away. And I watched DMB more than once, all episodes are usually the first best. Of course there’s a lot of rubbish, but the one who served understands a demobilization story, in which rockets plow the watercolors of the Pacific Ocean, and a little Kavar in Russian, because he had not seen his native land for 2 years and only remembers tzwei sausage und cut. There are ridiculous elements of the army banter. A foreigner does not understand.
        1. rocket757 29 December 2019 19: 18 New
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          Quote: nznz
          DMB is one of my favorites

          A tale of lies, but a hint in it .......
          Foreigners will never understand us, if such "simple" things do not understand!
    2. 1976AG 29 December 2019 08: 09 New
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      But what is it that before entering the atmosphere, the speed is lower than hypersonic ??? In space, it is even higher, and in the atmosphere it drops to 20-25 max. I understand that for space the concept of hypersound is not applicable, but if in terms of km / s.
      1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 10: 58 New
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        "and in the atmosphere decreases to 20-25 max" ////
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        20-25 - this is just in space.
        And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.
        1. 1976AG 29 December 2019 12: 21 New
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          "and in the atmosphere decreases to 20-25 max" ////
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          20-25 - this is just in space.
          And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.

          if he had 3-5 Machs in the atmosphere, he would go astray without any problems, this is the first. The second is that the speed in space is NEVER measured in the mach, because sound does not propagate in space, so if the speed is expressed in Mach, it is already the speed in the atmosphere.
          1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 12: 43 New
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            "if he had 3-5 Machs in the atmosphere, he would go astray without any problems," ///
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            You do not seem to understand how strategic missile defense works.
            It’s not a matter of speed, but of calculating the meeting place of the warhead and the “killer" missile defense.
            ABM does not work after, but towards.
            The vanguard was invented not because of the high speed (in conventional warheads it is obviously much higher), but because of the gentle non-ballistic trajectory of descent to the target. At the terminal site, Vanguard dives almost vertically anyway. And its speed is not more than 3-5 MAX. But the missile defense will not have time to bring him down.
            1. 1976AG 29 December 2019 12: 54 New
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              You don’t seem to understand that the uniqueness of the Vanguard lies precisely in the fact that it is capable of not only walking in the atmosphere at a speed of Mach 20-25, but also maneuvering along the course and altitude. What gentle descending trajectory are you talking about? Once again, watch the video showing the maneuvers of this unit. And once again I remind you that in space the speed is measured in km / s, and not in Machs. Therefore, if you were given speed in Machs, then this is speed in the atmosphere.
              1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 13: 03 New
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                Only an iron meteorite can go in the atmosphere at a speed of 20-25 MAX, turning into steam ... laughing
                Even ordinary warheads of ICBMs that fall vertically and are even cones 2 meters high and 70 cm in diameter (approximately) are braked in the atmosphere up to 7 MAX. Turn them sideways a little - they will burn.
              2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 34 New
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                It can not, of course, not a nonsense. At 7 km / sec in the atmosphere, any object burns with a blue flame (about 6 thousand degrees), EP physics has not yet been canceled. But she didn’t invent her
                1. 1976AG 29 December 2019 15: 01 New
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  It can not, of course, not a nonsense. At 7 km / sec in the atmosphere, any object burns with a blue flame (about 6 thousand degrees), EP physics has not yet been canceled. But she didn’t invent her

                  When ours made the Flurry torpedo, they also said don’t rubbish, the torpedo cannot go at water at such a speed, the laws of physics have not been canceled. As it turned out later, the laws of physics did not change, and a torpedo at this speed turns out to be able to go under water. But the EP is not engaged in military development, so you yourself do not write nonsense.
                  1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 04 New
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                    There are no questions about the Flurry, everything is very clear there.
                    1. 1976AG 29 December 2019 15: 32 New
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                      Quote: Robertocalos
                      There are no questions about the Flurry, everything is very clear there.

                      This is now very clear when the technology is disclosed, but then it was not at all clear. Just as at one time it was believed that the speed of sound, in principle, could not be overcome. Forgot? But not so long ago all this was.
                2. MMX
                  MMX 29 December 2019 17: 32 New
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  It can not, of course, not a nonsense. At 7 km / sec in the atmosphere, any object burns with a blue flame (about 6 thousand degrees), EP physics has not yet been canceled. But she didn’t invent her

                  There is nothing to discuss, yet in Photoshop it is drawn. Cartoons. The world media, as well as the Israeli comrades at VO, actively spoke about this ...
              3. Svetlana 29 December 2019 18: 20 New
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                Quote: 1976AG
                the uniqueness of the Vanguard lies precisely in the fact that it is capable of not only walking in the atmosphere at a speed of 20-25 Machs, but also maneuvering along the course and altitude.
                At hypersonic speed, the Vanguard in the atmosphere is surrounded by a luminous plasma with a considerable temperature of the order of 0.3..1 eV and an electrical conductivity of ~ 10 ^ 13c-1, which can also be further increased by cesium additives. It is very convenient to transmit a mechanical impulse to such a plasma, and, therefore, to control the Vanguard trajectory by the Lorentz force F = [J * B] with the help of magnetic fields induced in the plasma around the Vanguard by magnetic solenoids that can be located in Avagard, i.e. using the principle of the Hall MHD generator. At the same time, magnetic heat insulation (created by internal coils) can reduce heat flux leading to ablation of the surface of the Vanguard.
                1. 1976AG 29 December 2019 18: 37 New
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                  That was supposed to be accompanied by a bottle of vodka)
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                    Well, yes, Ablation has already come.
            2. Boa kaa 29 December 2019 14: 38 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              The vanguard was invented not because of the high speed (in conventional warheads it is obviously much higher), but because of the gentle non-ballistic trajectory of descent to the target.

              The vanguard was invented to guarantee a breakthrough of any missile defense system. To do this, changed the trajectory of its final section. After breeding the BB, the Yu-71 product (hypersonic winged warhead) flies to enter dense atmospheres, from which it bounces like a pancake. At the entrance to the PSA, aerodynamic surfaces of the BB begin to act, thereby you can change the direction of flight and again "jump out" of the atmosphere. Calculations at the meeting point of the kinetic block SM-6 and GZKBB after such a maneuver fly dog ​​down the drain. And so several times, until he sticks with his 2Mt into the target designated for defeat. And the Vanguard accelerates due to the force of gravity, but perhaps it has its own dvigly. At least in the picture something is drawn. But the reliability of the picture is in doubt ...


              1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 06 New
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                You have definitely explained. But there is a question. After jumps and changing trajectories, how is the block pointing at that speed?
                1. 1976AG 29 December 2019 16: 22 New
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                  You have definitely explained. But there is a question. After jumps and changing trajectories, how is the block pointing at that speed?

                  And this is a question for designers. As well as how they were able to make this unit manageable at that speed. And many other issues that so far constitute state secrets
                  1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 16: 29 New
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                    Most likely, astro correction, but further - perhaps nothing. Then the accuracy will be less than traditional ICBMs.
                    1. bayard 29 December 2019 18: 42 New
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                      Remember the principle of pointing the American Pershing 2, maybe this will tell you something. The head block of Pershing was also manageable, so we look at the archives.
                  2. YakimovSS 30 December 2019 09: 46 New
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                    Quote: 1976AG
                    And this is a question for designers.

                    I think on this phrase you can finish raving.
                2. Boa kaa 29 December 2019 18: 15 New
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  how is the block pointing at that speed?

                  Vadim! If I knew how this happens, I wouldn’t talk with you now, but would answer the questions of “people in black” ... bully
              2. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 15: 55 New
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                . "And so several times, until it sticks with its 2MT into the target designated for defeat" ////
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                This is just the most problematic part of the project. smile
                There is a high probability that after all gliding and bouncing, he will be very far from the target.
                Because the corrections after the descent from space are astronautical. And there are several of them. Here, and with one after a clean ballistic trajectory, they miss ..., and several recourse
                1. Arkon 29 December 2019 17: 08 New
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                  There is a high probability that after all gliding and bouncing, he will be very far from the target.

                  So it is controlled along the entire trajectory of movement. Moreover, controlled "outside". wink
                  1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 17: 25 New
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                    And who controls it? smile
                    1. Arkon 29 December 2019 17: 35 New
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                      Anyone can manage, we don’t know the composition of the launched cargo, and you are not interested in “how”? smile
                      1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 17: 44 New
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                        If you figured out how to control the outside of the BR, then no Vanguards would be needed laughing It would be enough conventional controlled BR.
                        It would be an outstanding breakthrough. fellow
                      2. Arkon 29 December 2019 18: 08 New
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                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        If you could figure out how to control the outside of the BR,

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        It would be an outstanding breakthrough.


                        Here it is he who is perfect.
                      3. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 18: 17 New
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                        Before the New Year, the mood should be good! Holiday greetings! drinks
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                        Happy New Year! drinks
          2. Boa kaa 29 December 2019 18: 40 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            here and with one, after a clean ballistic trajectory, they miss.
            Yes, it seems that ours have learned to hit and hit well ... Especially stationary systems ...
            Quote: voyaka uh
            he will be very far from the goal

            I don't think you're right ...
            the first launch from a mobile launcher carried out from the Plesetsk launch site at the Kura training ground on September 28, 2011, was unsuccessful. “Vanguard” then could not hit the target ... During the second launch on May 23, 2012, “Vanguard” worked normally. Subsequent launches cemented this success.

            And then, the 2 megaton “head” will definitely choose aiming errors with its power ... Yes, and the goals, for sure, will not be “point”, but areal: large military-industrial complexes, naval forces and adversary airbases ...
            Somehow, however. yes
            1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 18: 58 New
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              When shooting at the Kura firing range there was no gliding at all.
              Vanguard attacked vertically, like a regular warhead. Rather, they checked the rocket itself (it is very old, liquid).
              And they are near Kamchatka. American tracking stations. The gliding parameters they would have written.
              Therefore, the subsequent tests were partial, not complete, inside Siberia, so that the Americans knew less.
              The Americans were skeptical about the capabilities of the Vanguard. This is more a scary "Joker" (no one knows where it will explode) than an exact weapon.
              Therefore, they are made by only a dozen pieces.
              1. Boa kaa 29 December 2019 19: 25 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                Therefore, they are made by only a dozen pieces.

                Yes, it seems about 24 units. they said ... Which, in general, corresponds to the number of UR-100UTTX (30 units).
                There will be RS-28s - they will be burdened with 1-3 Vanguards ...
                Maybe something aviation will come up with time. Well, for example, the Yu-71 with a booster block will be hooked on the “Messenger” (PAK DA Tupolev).
                So still ahead ...
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                  What for?
                  The Messenger will carry an aerial analogue of Relight and Dagger.
                  2,5 thousand kilometers strike range, 50 km of enclosed space. His task, if you look closely, is to cover external borders and remote allies - Venezuela and others.
                  Vanguard is generally a tool of deterrence. We do not plan to attack anyone. I think that 500 units will be good parity for nuclear forces, such as England. Each of their missiles carries 10 strike blocks.
                  You may have to adjust to equalize the number of warheads.
          3. bayard 29 December 2019 18: 53 New
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            The Soyuz spacecraft descent vehicle also makes a gliding jump, although this is done to dampen speed and reduce overload for astronauts. And it lands as a rule in a “predetermined area” ... but this is not a BB at all.
            Remember the guidance system of the American MX, and not only. After all, there is by no means only "inertial and astro correction." And the “Vanguard” just in the algorithm also has maneuvers with correction in the final section before the dive. If it was used in ordinary BBs (and at the same time very high-precision ones), then in a controlled, gliding one, God himself ordered.
            And they have been working on maneuvering BBs since the 60s. True, later they seemed to have been canceled by treaties ... and the Americans didn’t get missile defense either then or now.
            1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 19: 45 New
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              Americans do not bother with maneuvering space warheads, or false warheads, or gliding.
              Their warheads attack on a strictly ballistic trajectory with an emphasis on accuracy.
              This makes some sense: when you shoot all the time at the same shooting range, you involuntarily forget about any side factors. The unevenness of gravity and the shape of the Earth, the shift of the magnetic poles. All these little things contribute to miss.
              The simpler the trajectory, the less miss.
              1. bayard 29 December 2019 20: 18 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                Americans do not bother with maneuvering space warheads, or false warheads, or gliding.
                Their warheads attack on a strictly ballistic trajectory with an emphasis on accuracy.

                Americans didn’t bother much. After all, they won the Cold War. Why would they maneuver if anti-missile defense counteraction was not expected? Yes, and all Soviet ICBMs should have rotted by today ... Therefore, they and the missile defense did not really bother ...
                And as it turned out, it turned out that they didn’t have either, and there was nobody to develop this, and time was lost request .
                They achieved high accuracy of their warheads back in the 80s and since then have simply maintained their technical condition ...
                Why didn’t the Americans bother with BB maneuvers? By the fact that so far only they have deployed a global missile defense system. Russia does not have this (only around Moscow). With the deployment of the S-500, something will probably change. But Russian warheads have something to overcome. And they are guaranteed to overcome all this. It turned out to be an order of magnitude cheaper. And more effective.
                The "Dagger", "Vanguard" and "Zircon" of the American air defense / missile defense are not intercepted in principle.
                And everything that they piled up (global missile defense) can be scrapped - it is completely useless ... except for the notification function. Well, yes, they had it before.
                1. voyaka uh 30 December 2019 00: 16 New
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                  "Dagger", "Vanguard" and "Zircon" of the American air defense / missile defense
                  are not intercepted in principle "////
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                  In principle, any flying piece of iron can be shot down. smile
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                  But, as you put it: "global American missile defense"
                  does not exist in nature.
                  They have a battery in Alaska that can intercept
                  (with 50% probability) single ICBMs flying from the Far East
                  across the pacific. And covered by THAAD California systems.
                  It's all.
                  Russian ICBMs flying across the Arctic Ocean or
                  across the North Atlantic, no one is able to intercept.
                  Even single rockets.
                  Therefore, the Vanguard deployed against a defunct ABM.
                2. bayard 30 December 2019 01: 23 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Therefore, the Vanguard deployed against a defunct ABM.

                  This is in the future, so that the temptation does not arise.
                  Quote: voyaka uh
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                  But, as you put it: "global American missile defense"
                  does not exist in nature.

                  They planned it and actively built it. And PR. Therefore, means of guaranteed breakthrough of any missile defense system have been created. Even promising.
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  They have a battery in Alaska that can intercept
                  (with 50% probability) single ICBMs flying from the Far East
                  across the pacific. And covered by THAAD California systems.
                  It's all.

                  Well, why? They also deployed in Romania. And in Poland, almost ... Another thing is that it did not work out. Even against single missiles with breakthrough means (interference, false targets, but without maneuver), but Russia has all (!) Missiles with such means.
                  That's why they kept the pace of deployment. A stone flower did not come out.
                  In addition, the “Dagger” and “Zircon” missiles are essentially medium-range missiles, but they are also not accessible to the US missile defense system (like any other). After all, when they were designed, the calculation was that the United States would succeed in their missile defense ... but it would be overcome by new means of destruction. A double bummer came out - for the USA.
                  To a question
                  Quote: voyaka uh
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                  In principle, any flying piece of iron can be shot down.

                  ... It is in principle. But this requires a completely different missile defense. And perhaps not even ground-based. This is a lot of money, incredible complexity and a lot of time ... and a way out of a number of international treaties.
                  Is the United States capable of this?
                  And how much time will be spent on this?
                  And what will appear in Russia during this very time?
                  But similar weapons appear in China.
                  In any case, they say so ...
                  The United States at one time stopped almost all promising programs. Lost school. Now they simply do not have specialists to develop such complex systems. Their education system was degraded and such specialists were simply not trained.
                  They lose systemically.
                  They have already lost to China in the economy. Already, China's No. 1 economy. And he is very actively building up military power. He is building a powerful fleet. It builds at a rate of 2 to 4 times the pace of construction in the United States.
                  And this is at a time when the United States rested its horn in Russia ... Horns are cracking, and behind the back the panda turns into a dragon and sharpens its ax ....
                  The hegemon made a lot of mistakes and now its hegemony is bursting at the seams.
                  As one friend of mine said: "It's just a shame for my beloved enemy." request bully
                3. voyaka uh 30 December 2019 10: 59 New
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                  1) Aegis system - against BDSD. Although it can shoot down a low-flying satellite, it is not able to shoot down ICBMs.
                  2) USA You tend to underestimate Russia. This is a very flexible country.
                  Both the education system and high-tech firms are being rebuilt on the go. If they lack specialists in a certain field, then they will instantly recruit from other countries: for citizenship and high salaries.
                  The rise of China is not related to any fall in the United States. Both countries are on the rise, but the pace of China is higher.
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                  1) So Russia has a conventional type of ballistic missile and is not available. And those that are are just a type of unusual. Just under Aegis they guessed.
                  And where to put it now? Aegis this?
                  2) The country is flexible, but only if the education system is fruitful ... My friend and family moved to the USA about 12 years ago at my godfather. His daughter was then (at the time of the move) 10 years. A good girl, but the most ordinary, studied a little ... three-year-old ... And in America, despite the new language environment, she suddenly turned out to be the best student at school, the winner of olympiads, grants from universities and companies, so that she could get to them after studies .. An ordinary Russian girl is a threesome ... from the former Ukraine ...
                  That is their educational system ... Since the Soviet Union, it wasn’t standing next to it - even under Kennedy the American professors recognized it. It is now more difficult to buy imported brains; these brains now have an alternative - they are now in demand in other places. Yes, and they missed time, now only catch up.

                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The rise of China is not related to any fall in the United States. Both countries are on the rise, but the pace of China is higher.

                  If the growth of the US economy is two times less than the growth of debt (only national, not to mention corporate, households and loans), then this is not the growth that indicates health. This is a deepening crisis. And this is despite the fact that in the USA not so much the achievements of industry, etc. of the real economy are counted in the GDP, but more and more income from financial speculation, income of hairdressers and brothels. The real sector of the US economy is already 4 times inferior to China.
                  This is a failure.
                  Systemic
                  And as a result, the failure of almost all advanced weapons programs.
                5. voyaka uh 30 December 2019 18: 07 New
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                  "And as a result, the failure of almost all advanced weapons programs" ///
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                  Where exactly? smile In aviation? In the fleet - surface and underwater? Do they make ballistic missiles bad?
                  Are military information technologies behind? In computers do not pull?
                  Shapkozakidyvanie to good does not bring ... sad
                6. bayard 30 December 2019 18: 49 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Where exactly? In aviation?

                  F-35. In addition to avionics, everything is very sad. LTX is very modest. The resumption of production of the F-15 also says something. B-52, state B-1B, age and state of tactical aviation ...
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Do they make ballistic missiles bad?

                  They don’t do them at all. Long time ago. And Boeing generally abandoned the design of a new generation of ICBMs.
                  Armored vehicles, artillery, air defense.
                  The fleet is still in good shape ... Bye. But with the new aircraft carriers, again, a bummer. Zumwalt ... obscure ships of the littoral series ...
                7. voyaka uh 30 December 2019 18: 56 New
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                  Clear. Well, the main thing is that the New Year be a good one! Happy New Year! drinks
      2. Boa kaa 30 December 2019 18: 14 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Russian ICBMs flying across the Arctic Ocean or across the North Atlantic, no one is able to intercept.
        Through the Arctic Ocean - do not intercept, besides the ground-based GBI missile defense ... But across the Atlantic, the amines try to do this ... They create a mobile marine missile defense area from Berkov with Ijes and SM-3/6 missiles ... Therefore, our Strategic Missile Forces missile divisions, deployed in the European part of the Russian Federation are forced to switch to the Yars solid-fuel ICBMs in order to reduce the auto-warning by 2-4 times ... This has been written more than once. Why didn’t you cut it through - a question.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Vanguard deployed against non-existent missile defense.
        The vanguard was deployed so that the Yankees would not be tempted to "try" ... The temptation fueled by the illusion of superiority ... And you don’t even have to guess (whether it arrives, doesn’t arrive?) - It is guaranteed to arrive! yes
  • 1976AG 29 December 2019 16: 26 New
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    Why does everyone stubbornly forget that he has his own engines?
    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 16: 34 New
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      Then there should be a GOS) and we get a cruise missile in the form of a 3-stage output, which I thought about right away.
      1. bayard 29 December 2019 18: 59 New
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        Remember the Soviet "micro-shuttle" Bor, which could / should be used as a winged maneuvering on the descent trajectory in the atmosphere of a warhead ... just in 1 - 2 Mt. He flew several times ... and yes, his engine was ... heptyl.
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  • dog of war 31 December 2019 02: 32 New
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    It is very nice to see here a man who adequately understands the whole concept of "Vanguard", in contrast to the sect "Vanguard flies at a speed of 25 Machs in dense layers of the atmosphere." Here I add that the main feature of the "Vanguard" is not speed, but the possibility of flying in the Mesosphere or the so-called dead zone. Where the air density is too low to use, the wing lift is quite dense for orbital flight. As for the American missile defense, which is based on the idea of ​​"Kinetic interception", the interceptor should go into airless space above 100 kilometers, while the "Vanguard" will fly much lower. In the case of creating a new missile capable of hitting targets in the Mesosphere, the Vanguard will be able to carry out evasion maneuvers, since the air density of the Mesosphere allows.
  • Voyager 29 December 2019 12: 22 New
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    The materials known to us will burn. Admittedly, neither I nor you are completely up to date with the lineups.
    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 35 New
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      I know. And you will, if you spend a little time on the network.
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        Really? Speak, since the secret data is walking on the network.
        1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 39 New
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          Hafnium carbide, melting point slightly less than 4000 degrees. For hypersound in dense layers of the atmosphere is not suitable. Nothing cooler than earth science is not yet known.
          1. bayard 29 December 2019 19: 06 New
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            If you take some time "online", you will also find there the Soviet program "Bor" - a micro-shuttle that made several flights. True, officially, these were tests of a heat-protective coating for “Buran”, but in fact ... it was the development of maneuvering, planning and planing at the entrance to the atmosphere, controlled by a warhead with a sufficiently powerful warhead of just 1 - 2 Mt. With the possible withdrawal of the United States from the agreement on the placement of weapons in outer space, cassettes with such Borons could be placed in orbit during the threatened period and already attack the territory of the United States from orbit.
            It seems to me that the legs of the “Vanguard” from this program are growing. wink
            1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 19 New
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              And I found it. Moreover, the United States already has experienced X-37 installers, in which you can easily insert a BB. And the eyes will fulfill the functions of the avant-garde much better, because they can homing. And without any triumphant reports from each iron.
              1. bayard 29 December 2019 20: 30 New
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                Nobody doubted the appointment of the X-37. He could not have another function. But is he in orbit? So its parameters are known and maneuvers are tracked. Right ? And anti-satellite assets have been tested for a long time ... including orbital-based ones.
                The raisin of the Vanguard is that it starts like an ICBM, flies along a flat trajectory (SPRN will find it late), actively maneuvers, including in the final section, uses countermeasures (interference, LC). That's why it’s unbreakable. American missile defense even the most primitive BB without LC, and knocks down interference ... rarely knocks down, uncertainly. And the cases when this turned out, as a rule, were directed (anti-missile) at the beacon.
                Is not it ?
                1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 22: 41 New
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                  It can’t fly along the flat trajectory for 5-7 thousand km; there’s not enough kerosene. There the climax of 400 kilometers, like that of an ICBM. More precisely, he flies on ICBMs. And in itself the last 1000 km "jumps". So start immediately spotted.
                2. bayard 29 December 2019 23: 31 New
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  It can’t fly along the flat trajectory for 5-7 thousand km; there’s not enough kerosene.

                  He flies on heptyl.
                  And why doesn’t he succeed on the floor, but does the same Sineva go 11 km?
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  There the climax of 400 kilometers

                  And maybe about 100 km. or a little more. On the first space one can fly around the ball at least five times.
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  So start immediately spotted.

                  The start can then be spotted, but it is unlikely to be tracked on the trajectory.
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  And in itself the last 1000 km "jumps"

                  It seems to me that the races will begin a little earlier. From the experience of ensuring the landing of landers, I’ll say that they were spotted almost over North Africa (when observing from the western coast of the Caspian Sea), so that at such a distance (or greater) such “jumps” will begin. After all, landing sites were in northern Kazakhstan.
                  On the radar, such a target is visible very well thanks to the plasma trail, but it travels all this distance so quickly ... You can’t even imagine.
                  While maneuvering.
                  The US has no means against such weapons.
        2. Voyager 29 December 2019 21: 14 New
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          Show the source.
  • nickname7 29 December 2019 14: 21 New
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    Admittedly, neither I nor you are completely up to date with the compositions

    And evil tongues reproach that the Russian Federation is a raw material country, and it’s like they wiped their nose, their corporations are worthless. Apparently Chubais is not in vain giving money. launched the production of single-crystal graphene.
    1. Aviator_ 29 December 2019 15: 25 New
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      Are you serious about Red? Does he pay for notes on VO?
      1. nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 29 New
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        Are you serious about Red

        No, just an assumption.
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          This subject has the intelligence of a speculator in flowers; he is not capable of more, even if the demand for flowers changes.
  • Doctor 29 December 2019 17: 32 New
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    The materials known to us will burn. Admittedly, neither I nor you are completely up to date with the lineups.


    In the atmosphere they’ll burn. But he maneuvers ABOVE 40 km, even for 80. From the 2nd minute.

    1. Boa kaa 29 December 2019 19: 03 New
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      Quote: Arzt
      he maneuvers ABOVE 40 km, even for 80. From the 2nd minute.

      All our aeroballistic products go at an altitude of 40-5 km ... Above - there is nothing to rely on the surfaces, so 80 km ... it is doubtful very much, unless, of course, such a GZLA does not have a jet deagle ... But it is doubtful for the reason for the heat resistance of materials DU ... Ceramics / composite, and even with heat removal, here is probably the way to solve the problem ...
      IMHO
  • Winnie76 29 December 2019 12: 36 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise it will burn without a trace

    This is not Spike, from which the stub remains on 3 max. Hi-tech, such a scientific word that explains everything. By the way, the professor loves to use laughing
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    what conclusion?
  • sir.jonn 29 December 2019 12: 48 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "and in the atmosphere decreases to 20-25 max" ////
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    20-25 - this is just in space.
    And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.

    "The dagger doesn’t leave the atmosphere at all and flies 10 mach without problems
    1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 12: 54 New
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      A dagger is a single-stage solid-fuel ballistic missile Iskander air launch.
      It is time to understand and remember this.
      All its characteristics are TTX Iskander. And Iskander hits the target vertically at a speed of 3 MAX.
      If there were more, he would never hit the target with high accuracy with a KVO of 10-15 m.
      The Iskander / Dagger is a very formidable weapon due to its short, very fast flight at an altitude of 40-50 km and high accuracy.
      It is extremely difficult to bring down with missile defense.
      No time to react.
    2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 38 New
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      Of course not. It accelerates to the apogee of the trajectory to about this speed, shoots the engine, and then the combat unit falls on the target. This is an ordinary ballistic missile.
      1. Aibolit 29 December 2019 17: 02 New
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        Neither the Dagger, nor Iskander, “shoots” anything, neither the engine, nor the corps
        Do not whistle.
        There are no governing bodies on the warhead.
  • Vadim237 29 December 2019 12: 53 New
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    It will not burn because the case is made of heat-resistant and refractory materials and a special coating here recently, the topic was the use of magnetic fields to reduce the effect of hot plasma on descent vehicles
  • opus 29 December 2019 13: 09 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    20-25 - this is just in space.

    what swings (such mysterious numbers) can be in "space" IN VACUUM?
    fool
    Mach number - in mechanics continuous media - one of the criteria for similarity in mechanics liquid and gas. Represents ratio of the flow velocity at a given point in the gas flow to the local sound propagation velocity in a moving environment

    I assure you, above 100km you can squeak, scream, knock, and even fart, but no one will hear the sound of your body except you.
    There is no sound and there is no “swing”.
    1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 13: 16 New
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      The number of MAX in space is a CONDITIONAL conversion from m / s in a dense atmosphere.
      And the numbers in MAX for the warhead speed in space are used to make it easier to compare them with airplanes and KR. The numbers 20-25 MAX for warheads are often found in popular articles, although they are not scientifically correct. hi
      1. opus 29 December 2019 14: 25 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        The number of MAX in space is a CONDITIONAL conversion from m / s

        this is the same unscientific crap as
        Quote: voyaka uh
        braking in semi-outer space 100-50 km

        partially berman.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        often found in popular articles,

        Eugene Damantsev
        Quote: voyaka uh
        for warhead speed in space they are used to make it easier to compare

        Mach number is one of the similarity criteria in a gas speaker
        The meaning of this slightly intricate name is actually simple and lies in the fact that if two or more physical systems have the same similarity criteria of equal magnitude, then this means that the systems in question are similar, that is, similar or, to put it very simply: identical.

        and no need or sexual intercourse to use the number M in a vacuum and
        Quote: voyaka uh
        with airplanes and kr
        = NO, from the word completely
        Threat
        N.V. Maievsky in his research and development (advanced for his time and later becoming fundamental) operated on a concept similar to Mach number, and 15 years earlier than his German counterpart.

        An interesting fact is that in Soviet science (and in scientific literature, especially before the war and immediately after it), this term was often used either without decoding (just the number M, the word "Mach" was not made clear), or using the second surname - Maievsky . That is, the Mach-Maievsky number.
        Ernst Mach in his philosophical views, according to V.I. Lenin was a "subjective idealist"
        1. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 16: 01 New
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          "partially birmen" ////
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          The border of the cosmos is 100 pure convention. And you probably know that.
          Therefore, the term "semi-space" as applied to altitudes of 50-100 km is correct. These are heights where ALREADY can not fly planes, and STILL can not fly satellites. Russians and Chinese are trying to use these heights for planning nuclear warheads
          1. opus 29 December 2019 22: 32 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            the term "semi-space" with respect to altitudes of 50-100 km is correct.

            don’t try such a horseradish blurt out where is the thread: bachelor’s degrees will be deprived, if any
            Quote: voyaka uh
            These are heights where ALREADY can not fly planes

            X-15 - experimental planeUS rocket.
            flew "there"
            LTH
            Flight altitude - up to 107 km,
            Speed ​​- up to 6,72 M
            start (uncoupling) from the carrier aircraft at an altitude of 11000 m, then
  • merkava-2bet 31 December 2019 07: 54 New
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    The speed of the warhead of the R-12 rocket at the end of the active section at an altitude of 25 km is about 2,5 km / s, from open sources.
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    it wouldn’t burn out, even the honor of such an empty aluminum barrel as a station the world flew to the ground, the problem is ignorance and accuracy, of course for 100 yo deviation of XNUMX meters is not critical, but still, they are slowed down for navigation and correction, gyroscopes can now be accurate grew so much that even without the use of GOS, relief corrections can be achieved with the necessary accuracy, but there was a fairy tale that even without the use of yao, due to a kinetic blow, you can nakiluil pretty strong, there would be accuracy, and that's how it got it just know hypersound O blocks
  • bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 08: 25 New
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    Hi, hello! hi
    And there are no open explanations of how this tool with a maneuvering unit returns to hypersonic speed after re-entering the atmosphere - at the final stage of the attack.

    Maybe they still have the keys to the apartment where the money is? wink
    The essence of the perplexity of Western authors is as follows: so at what speed will the avant-garde blocks approach directly to the target? If this is not hypersonic speed, then the blocks "can be intercepted"; if hypersonic, then how can such a speed be achieved when entering the atmosphere? It should be noted that similar questions about the hypersonic blocks of the latest missile system are being asked in Russia.

    Perplexed and do not understand? It’s nothing: billions of people on the planet use electricity, not understanding what it is. lol
    1. svp67 29 December 2019 08: 40 New
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      Hello Pasha hi
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      Perplexed and do not understand? It's nothing: billions of people on the planet use electricity, not realizing what it is

      I agree. As well as the fact that you can’t show them the look of this block, so as not to demastrate some of the solutions used in it. He does not just fly at monstrous speeds, but he is also able to perform maneuvers ...
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        Quote: svp67
        He does not just fly at monstrous speeds, but he is also able to perform maneuvers ...

        And what maneuvers! Able to maneuver from the missile defense zone. Mattresses would have allocated a lot of green candy wrappers, if only he got to them. Not on its own, essessa. lol
        1. svp67 29 December 2019 08: 55 New
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          Not on its own, essessa.

          And let the “Russian Post” be asked, it already delivered a meteorite to Chelyabinsk ...
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            Quote: svp67
            Let the Russian Post be asked

            While it delivers - the Russian Federation will come up with something new. wassat
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              Quote: bouncyhunter
              While it delivers - the Russian Federation will come up with something new.

              Not without this ... A meteorite is the same at the "end of the world" ordered, late. And without it, what is the end of the world, so the people did not wait
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                Quote: svp67
                And without it, what is the end of the world, so the people did not wait

                Yeah, in the end, the end of the world was postponed "according to causal techniques." lol
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                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Yeah, in the end, the end of the world was postponed "according to causal techniques"

                  Well, what was to be done, they drank vodka, ate an appetizer, the people sold ...
        2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 13 New
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          How many classes have graduated? If it `s not a secret?)
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          Mattresses would have allocated a lot of green candy wrappers, if only he got to them.


          Baranets says that Kudryavtsev has already told them everything.


          On Friday, July 20, it became known about the start of an investigation into high treason at TsNIImash, the main scientific institute of Roscosmos. There was information that the FSB was searching the TsNIImash in the context of the treason case. According to law enforcement agencies, information about secret developments in the field of hypersound has leaked abroad.
          Searches took place in the office of the director of the information-analytical center "Roskosmos" Dmitry Payson. He himself declined to comment and resigned.
          On Sunday, it became known that Viktor Kudryavtsev, an employee of the institute, was suspected of treason. He is accused of transmitting classified information to one of the NATO countries.
          On July 23, the state corporation’s website reported: “Investigation authorities are checking the events of 2013, which is also confirmed by the period for which materials were seized during searches in the building of Roskosmos and FSUE TsNIImash."
          The head of the press service of Roscosmos, Vladimir Ustimenko, also said that investigative actions were ongoing with several more employees of TsNIImash.


          https://rubin65.livejournal.com/1058582.html
      2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 41 New
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        The main thing here is not to show, so you all do not understand that the mountain gave birth to a mouse. Dagger - a ballistic missile with a warhead maneuvering according to the algorithm. This happens at the FINAL stage of the trajectory. Until this moment, his flight is NOT DIFFERENT from Poplar or Mace.
        1. Doctor 29 December 2019 17: 26 New
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          The main thing here is not to show, so you all do not understand that the mountain gave birth to a mouse.


          Can not be. Rogozin himself has been practicing since 2012. The boy said the boy did!

          https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=910912#
    2. Doctor 29 December 2019 09: 54 New
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      Perplexed and do not understand? It’s nothing: billions of people on the planet use electricity, not understanding what it is.


      The physics of electricity is understandable. And the physics of the Vanguard is not quite.
      1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 44 New
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        I will formulate otherwise. From the first stories about a height of 90 km and Mach 22 (7 km / sec) without an engine, 5000 km in length and controlled maneuver, it is clear that this contradicts physics completely. But excites fragile minds specifically. But, unfortunately, new physics has not yet been invented.
      2. dauria 29 December 2019 14: 19 New
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        The physics of electricity is understandable.


        I would like to know what an elementary charge is, where does it go when the electron and positron are annihilated, and most importantly, where does this pair come from “out of nothing”. He is - this is the only thing we know. We can count, they came up with a bunch of equations from Maxwell to electroweak interaction. What's the point?
  • Thrifty 29 December 2019 09: 23 New
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    That is, espionage is already going on impudently, through "pocket" media! In general, endless impudence!
  • Bar2 29 December 2019 09: 36 New
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    The Aviationist: “There is no explanation of how the Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”


    this airman is so called in vain because he cannot even understand the elementary.
    Acceleration of a spacecraft is provided by a carrier rocket, which takes the spacecraft into, say, orbit, while the spacecraft’s speed will be 8 km / s — the first spacecraft, then the spacecraft leaves the orbit making a speed-quenching pulse, but doesn’t dampen the speed too much, and the spacecraft simply falls in ballistic to earth, gaining speed even exceeding the first cosmic i.e. 8km / s is 24 speeds of sound in the lower layers of the atmosphere. These are the speeds with which the Vanguard will attack targets.
    It’s ridiculous to talk about hypersound in this situation, because any spacecraft including the Vanguard most of its trajectory, to a height of 20 km, when the dense layers of the atmosphere begin and where the speed of sound is actually measured, simply drops. Then the planning flight of this bomb with wings begins without significant loss of speed for the passage of air defense systems, it is possible that the Vanguard is repelled from the dense layers of the atmosphere by jumping like a stone through water.
    The Soviet Buran acted exactly the same way, while the accuracy of hitting the landing strip is very high. You can also recall the MIG 105 spacecraft Spiral program, which launched from Tu-95 from a height of 15-12 km and, of course, was subsonic because it was not tested from space . But the MIG-105 had thermal protection specifically for the passage of an uncontrolled section of descent from orbit.

    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 47 New
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      Everything is fine, only on the ground will it fall at a speed of Mach 3-4. Otherwise, it simply will not reach the Earth. "Hypersound" ends on the first descent to 60 km, then the atmosphere slows down the warhead.
  • Observer2014 29 December 2019 09: 40 New
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    At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”
    Once again, I am surprised at the inertia of the guys from the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering into dense layers, let them admire ...

    I’d love to admire this fireball. What’s secret in this admiring? This nonsense where you don’t need to torture us for a very long time, Especially to learn your military equipment from the Western media. fool tradition has developed in Russia. Uma chtoli is not enough to present YOURSELF !!!! military power like that. So that no one would have a drop of doubt.
    That "Zircon" in all of our media is visually published by an American experimental Boeing rocket wassat Where is the logic in general?
    1. svp67 29 December 2019 09: 45 New
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      I would love to admire this fireball.

      Well, for now, don’t admire these ...
      1. Operator 29 December 2019 13: 14 New
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        The video clearly shows a plasma cloud around each of the non-planning ICBM warheads - i.e. their speed at the time of landing exceeds 5 M (is hypersonic).

        Photo of the landing of unplanned warheads of ICBM Minuteman
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          non-planning ICBM warheads - i.e. their speed at the time of landing exceeds 5 M (is hypersonic).

          Q.E.D. Any ICBM is hypersonic. And the fact that the ICBM avant-garde begins with the name hypersonic, this is a marketing ploy, that is, inventing sonorous names to inflate value and sell more expensive.
          1. nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 47 New
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            It can be assumed that before the next election the guarantor will call this rocket -all-penetrating any missile defense plasma finger of Zeus. And the electorate will choose it again.
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          Quote: Operator
          The video clearly shows a plasma cloud around each of the non-planning ICBM warheads - i.e. their speed at the time of landing exceeds 5 M (is hypersonic).


          Glowing gas does not mean 5M speed at all.
  • Siberia 75 29 December 2019 09: 40 New
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    The Aviationist: “There is no explanation of how the Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere”

    As far back as the 20s, the 20th century, quite serious scientists claimed that the human body could not survive overcoming the speed of sound. If someone does not understand something, this does not mean that it cannot be.
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      As far back as the 20s, the 20th century, quite serious scientists claimed that the human body could not survive overcoming the speed of sound.

      And in the 19th they claimed that a speed of 40-60 km per hour was dangerous, since a person would die from suffocation ...
  • Finches 29 December 2019 11: 10 New
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    I remembered a little out of place, but I was lucky and I met people from this world ... Around all the important ones - top managers - ties, jackets, smartest faces ... And in the corner sits a plain-looking peasant who tucks his shirt in his underpants , she won’t even pay attention ..., but it’s the whole research institute, all these academics that exist while he is alive! You want to show off something out of yourself, and he looks at you and smiles so affectionately ... Skolkovo is created, but if Mother Nature does not give birth to one such genius, then even from a million Rogozins, effective managers of Millers, etc. collected in one place will not be of any use, akroma spending of budget funds!
    1. nickname7 29 December 2019 14: 33 New
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      but it’s the whole research institute, all these academics that exist while he’s alive

      There is an opinion that such geniuses are tracked and lured by high salaries by Western corporations.
      1. Finches 29 December 2019 15: 41 New
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        For sensible students, I know firsthand from the third course, or how the hunt began to light up at some Olympics ... But there aren’t from this world at all, like the mathematician Perelman - she sent the whole world with a million bucks and lives on!
        1. nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 36 New
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          some Olympics are already starting the hunt.

          Well, if yours, and if strangers? Puchkov said that the St. Petersburg School of Mathematics, at state expense, actually prepares geniuses for foreign countries.
          1. Finches 29 December 2019 16: 43 New
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            Unfortunately, it was the foreigners — grandmas, grants, a house and a laboratory! It is very difficult to resist this - that's why they leave! I’ll tell you one more thing - having entered the Bologna system of European education, Russia consciously agreed with the brain drain!
  • figwam 29 December 2019 11: 12 New
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    They need drawings, drawings ...
  • lucul 29 December 2019 12: 29 New
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    Once again, I am surprised at the inertia of the guys from the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering into dense layers, let them admire ...

    Maybe they should watch the video from the Chelyabinsk meteorite? )))
  • nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 12 New
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    This is an ordinary ICBM, a fresh reptile built well, maybe with minor improvements, And all these hypersound, molecular, plasma, finger of Zeus, photonic, it's all mackreting.
  • ficus2003 29 December 2019 15: 29 New
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    The Vanguard itself was really never shown, only the Ukrainian launch vehicle.
    1. svp67 29 December 2019 16: 09 New
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      Quote: ficus2003
      only Ukrainian rocket launcher.

      Which, which? Soviet .... Ukraine, as a State, has no relation to its design and production
      1. ficus2003 29 December 2019 23: 52 New
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        Received from Ukraine: In the early 2000s, about 30 liquid missiles UR-100N UTTH were delivered from Ukraine for "gas debts".
        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5047200
  • Doctor 29 December 2019 16: 24 New
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    At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”


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    2. Maks1995 30 December 2019 10: 02 New
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      The difference in the video is always somehow strange ...
      In natural shootings - garbage dust, a ball of fire, a long tail, steam smoke - for example, anti-aircraft guns or space launch vehicles will start.
      And here and in other similar ones, a neat neat rocket with a neat neat little flame slowly flies out of smoke and a big fire. No thermal distortion, no trace, nothing!

      Real or 3D movie, what do you think?
  • Astronaut 30 December 2019 01: 31 New
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    show them a photo of a "fireball" entering into dense layers

    if in youtube type in the search for “Hypersonic object 4202”, then in the first video from MilitaryRussia.ru for 46 seconds these fireballs are visible
  • Victor_B 29 December 2019 08: 10 New
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    Most of all, even their military, is necessary for couch analysts.
    Like me. (Well, sinful ...)
    And now the question!
    But why the heck are the shirnarmasses reporting CURRENT information about the parameters of this "product"? Lived dark and still live.
    But it’s skillful to hint that we have something WOW-GO! Just a holy thing.
    As for the enemies, here it is necessary to make sure that they get misinformation and believe in it!
    And this is art!
    1. nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 31 New
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      that we have something wow!

      It is believed that with such low funding for science and R&D, CSO-Go is fundamentally impossible to do. What is it like dress of the naked king, it is believed that the dress is, but in fact the king is naked.
      Here you can understand, if walking along Saratov, you see your reflections in the glass of skyscrapers, TU 244 planes fly from the top (made in the Russian Federation), and you get on the train on a magnetic pad (made in the Russian Federation) and you reach Kamchatka in an hour, then reports of nuclear and hypersound sound normal.
      1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 19: 50 New
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        In Russia, 800 billion rubles a year are spent on science for the defense industry, 2,5 trillion rubles, part of this money goes to R&D of the military-industrial complex. Since when did glass skyscrapers become a model of advanced science? A supersonic aircraft for regional lines is too expensive, difficult to maintain and voracious - in the future it may appear when all technical problems associated with such aircraft are solved. A train across Russia on a magnetic cushion - want to ruin a country?
        1. nickname7 29 December 2019 20: 27 New
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          Russia on a magnetic cushion - do you want to ruin the country?

          It is rather an allegory. But Zamkadye, no matter how much flourishes, large technological projects are impossible without the prosperity of the whole country.
          1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 22: 55 New
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            Large technological projects can be developed and created without the prosperity of the whole country; now in Russia there are more than 800 institutes, 1500 enterprises of the military industrial complex, and 600000 enterprises, factories, factories from small to huge - in all areas, and if part of the outback is not developed, this does not mean that nothing to create and we can’t do it.
        2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 22: 48 New
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          At least one universally applicable high-tech example, invented, produced and implemented in the Russian Federation, show?
          1. Vadim237 30 December 2019 15: 06 New
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            IT sphere turnover of more than 600 billion rubles - than you are not high-tech.
            1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 15: 27 New
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              Not offshore programming, but specific devices, devices, assemblies. Well, 10 billion dollars for 140 million countries is a circus simply.
  • Free wind 29 December 2019 08: 18 New
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    And on what rocket this prodigy .... weapons are being launched into space?
    1. Errr 29 December 2019 08: 29 New
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      UR-100N UTTH.
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        UR-100N UTTH.

        So far, Sarmat is preparing the same for it, though there will be several of these blocks
    2. U-58 29 December 2019 08: 36 New
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      So already written.
      This is Yars.
      And one regiment, according to completely open sources, has already entered the database
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        Quote: U-58
        And one regiment, according to completely open sources, has already entered the database

        Yes I did
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        This is Yars.

        No, not at YaRS, but at the old proven Chelomevsky UR-100N UTTKh.
      2. Piramidon 29 December 2019 10: 56 New
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        Quote: U-58
        So already written.
        This is Yars.

        Where is it written?
    3. lwxx 29 December 2019 08: 55 New
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      “In the early 2000s, about 30 UR-100N UTTKh liquid rockets were delivered from Ukraine for“ gas debts ”, after the collapse of the USSR, they were stored in warehouses in an empty state - that is, practically new ones that could stand on combat duty for several decades. Part these missiles will become the carriers of the first series of hypersonic planning warheads over the coming years,
      with the adoption of the RS-28 Sarmat heavy missile, such units will also be installed on it. "From open sources.
      1. sergey32 29 December 2019 09: 10 New
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        Another gas shift became a stomp.
  • U-58 29 December 2019 08: 29 New
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    As far as I understand in biology, any block of a nuclear ballistic missile flies up to the target in hypersound.
    The meanings that we have, that they have, are similar.
    That is, necromancers are interested in precisely the “transcendental” values ​​of the speed of the approach of the Vanguards.
    The objectives are also understandable: to assess the degree of threat and try on this threat the capabilities of the created four-tier missile defense.
    Historical experience shows that everything secret becomes apparent. The question is how soon their intelligence will acquire such information.
    Moreover, the tests are likely to continue and the hunt for their progress will be a priority for Americans.
    It must be assumed that both China and Israel and NATO will also not remain ordinary consumers of nostril tapes)))
    1. nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 43 New
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      that everything secret becomes clear

      All possible options were calculated in the 60s.
      Of course, you can use teleportation or graphene nanotubes, but first they come up with this in science and with the help of the efforts of the whole earth. It is impossible to come up with teleportation to a separate defense department, a separate raw-material state, just as it is impossible to come up with technology that cannot be done in other countries.
  • Zaurbek 29 December 2019 08: 41 New
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    Theoretically, the ramjet should stand. Another question - how many kilometers is the "flight" of the block before landing.
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      Theoretically, the ramjet should stand.

      It is accelerated by the UR100N-UTTX with a payload of 4350 kg. Think you can’t do it? request laughing
      Another question - how many kilometers is the "flight" of the block before landing.

      AUT lasts 100-150 km. Then the block flies to an intercontinental range. Unlike the now fashionable TT missiles, the UR-100N-UTTX has a minimum range of 1000 km. And this is a much more interesting characteristic. laughing
    2. voyaka uh 29 December 2019 11: 02 New
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      "Theoretically, the ramjet should stand" ////
      ---
      Not at the forefront of ramjet. Gas rudders for maneuvering along astronavigation points. And free gliding with gradual braking in half-space 100-50 km
      1. opus 29 December 2019 13: 00 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)
        No at the forefront of ramjet

        heartburn.
        I don’t know what the ramjet or taxiway is there, but the “4202” / 15Yu71 autonomous district is equipped with shunting engines
        Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)
        in half-space 100-50 km

        such words do not exist. It’s like a half-pregnant.
        Threat. and it’s better to start with the terms:
        A hypersonic aircraft is not just an apparatus that moves in the ATMOSPHERE (below the Karman line, at 100 km), like an ICBM or Shuttle, or X-37, but one that can move in the atmosphere for a long time using a propulsion system.
        Then there will be no problems and screams that the FAU-2 is also a GPLA.
        belay
        Cold and Needle, X-51 Waverider is a GPLA
        1. Operator 29 December 2019 13: 25 New
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          The first letter in the abbreviation PKB "Vanguard" stands for "planning", suddenly laughing
          1. opus 29 December 2019 14: 32 New
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            Quote: Operator
            suddenly

            suddenly
            ПCB "Vanguard" - this LLC is registered at 450075, Ufa, avenue October, d.107 / 6, APARTMENT 71, 450075. DIRECTOR of the organization SOCIETY WITH ...

            15П771 Vanguard. This "P" probably?

            15П771 "Vanguard" is a rocket complex intercontinental range with aeroballistic hypersonic combat equipment (AGBO)
            I'm wondering
            15Ю71- "how is it decrypted?
            PS: The warheads and warheads of missile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces (ICBM and BRRS) GRAU indices

            Orbital, maneuvering, guided and experimental warheads and false targets:
            8F678 "Mayak-1" - homing warhead of ICBMs. The engine block is 15B36.
            I’m even afraid to guess how “F” is here
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            stands for
            1. Operator 29 December 2019 19: 23 New
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              Teach materiel


              Strategic missile system "Vanguard":
              - ICBM UR-100N UTTKH (on UDMG + AT), launch weight 105 tons;
              - planning winged block (PKB) 15YU71, flight weight 4 tons
              1. opus 29 December 2019 22: 34 New
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                Teach materiel

                and what is it?
                some iz.ru icteric and poster, poorly drawn by the victim of the exam?
                "to us like that hockey materiel is not needed "
                1. Operator 29 December 2019 23: 41 New
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                  Quote: opus
                  and what

                  A nitsche laughing
      2. Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 00 New
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        If he can change the flight altitude, it means that the engine is standing - pulsed.
        1. Operator 29 December 2019 13: 29 New
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          PKB "Vanguard" changes altitude in the process of bouncing from the atmosphere on the marching portion of the flight. After the transition to the dive site to the target, the design bureau changes only the direction of flight in the process of performing the anti-aircraft maneuver "snake".
          1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 16: 10 New
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            That we do not know for sure.
  • Aliken 29 December 2019 08: 41 New
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    Slap the "Vanguard", the mind did not have enough to do for ourselves, and therefore groan.
  • Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 08: 42 New
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    For the "especially gifted" one can explain: If in space the speed reaches 27 M, then why not maintain speed in the atmosphere ... well, let it be 20-22 M! Diving into the atmosphere ... nevertheless, not into the "sea-ocean"!
    1. nickname7 29 December 2019 13: 51 New
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      Diving into the atmosphere ... nevertheless, not into the "sea-ocean"!

      Oh really ? Dvoehshniki walked physics, on 20-22 M the atmosphere turns into a viscous liquid,
      and at even greater speeds, the air becomes solid.
      1. Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 14: 22 New
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        "Nerd," I did not compare the air with the "firmament"! (About the fact that the faster the object moves in the atmosphere at a certain height, the more energy is spent to overcome air resistance, I’m on the ball ...) Therefore, it’s better to compare the “behavior” of 2 such “substances”, like air and water when trying to move a “material” object in them with hypersonic ... or, at least, with supersonic (but the same ...) speed ... By the way, at what height does the atmosphere begin and what is the difference in density air at this altitude and altitude ... 10 km .... 5 km ...?
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          PS By the way, many people wonder ...: how does the glider (!) Return "back" (that is, from the atmosphere to space ...)! So, you "brilliantly" answered this question, arguing about "viscous liquid and ,, firm,"! wink
  • jonht 29 December 2019 08: 43 New
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    I’m wondering, where was the information about Vanguard that he was going into space? And if it doesn’t come out, then you don’t need to enter the atmosphere. There are stratospheres you can fly there. And on a dive, the decrease in speed will be less. But this is my vision of the situation.
    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 50 New
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      A carrier rocket enters space. Liquid two-stage with known characteristics. Otherwise, how to reach the goal?
      1. jonht 29 December 2019 13: 58 New
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        Not necessarily, it all depends on the trajectory along which the rocket is launched. Consequently, it can also be within the atmosphere, for example, the stratosphere.
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          Can. But at 22M it just burns out if 5 thousand km decides to fly.
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            The stratosphere is at the border of the atmosphere and space, for us and the FSA this border is slightly different in height, but it can be said within the border of 70-90 km from the earth. The air density is minimal and therefore heating, and short-term heating in a dive we have been solving for a long time. There is a problem with guidance on pitching since the apparatus will be in a cloud of plasma.
            1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 02: 20 New
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              Minimal and therefore - this is for zhurnalyug. Just google the heat at different heights at different speeds. And then choeta meteorites burn as if in themselves.
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                It’s strange, but the ships that descend to the ground quite well reach themselves, and ordinary warheads too.
                1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 09: 27 New
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                  Without hypersonic maneuvers per 1000 km
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                The Internet is stupid, not all the message has been saved.
                Perhaps the plasma problem was solved in the same way as the problem of rocket movement under water (a barrage) with the help of a cavitator. Well, the Vanguard, for example, a magnetic field or a multilayer combustible protection.
    2. Aibolit 29 December 2019 17: 17 New
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      Such an (intercontinental) range cannot be obtained on ur100 without going beyond the Pocket line. Not like that.

      In the stratosphere, one cannot fly at such a speed; in the troposphere it is possible, but not very far
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 08: 46 New
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    And I thought after reading an article about something else. The fact that exactly what foreign journalists are “asking to clarify and watch” is the main unresolved technical problem in the West-east for creating weapons like the “Vanguard”.
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      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      About what exactly, what "ask to clarify and see" foreign journalists

      So,
      I need to be aware - I make money(C) yes
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      are the main unresolved technical problems in the west-east

      And other departments are already working on this part. And if they dig a thread, then they are unlikely to share it with the journaloids. Another thing is that they have not yet dug up, but these are their problems.
      And, accordingly, on the contrary - the media people will not give the info until they publish it.
  • Amateur 29 December 2019 08: 48 New
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    The essence of the perplexity of Western authors is as follows: so at what speed will the avant-garde blocks approach directly to the target?


    The bourgeois do not read Soviet classics. (True, a bad boy grew up from Yegor’s grandson, who almost betrayed his homeland for a can of jam and a box of cookies, but this is already “the cost of education in a“ God-chosen “family”). And so the great-granddaughter Masha from the category of terms forbidden in VO.
    PySy. Interestingly, if we write in plain text a quote from V.I. Lenin about Trotsky, will it be deleted and a ban will be assigned? I flew for Lavrov, although by that time only the lazy did not use this quote
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      If my memory serves me, then the daddy of the Yegor was the adopted son of the family of the writer Gaidar, but this certainly does not cancel the fact that the Judas of the Russian land grew up from the Yegor .. After all, this book (about the boy Kibalchish) was read to him in any case childhood, and probably not once .. request
  • Yves762 29 December 2019 08: 49 New
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    what what what
    Maybe I didn’t understand something, or I didn’t look there, but even the Google translator gives a different meaning: “Not a single image of the Vanguard was released, and there are no open explanations of how the maneuvering vehicle maneuvers at hypersonic speed after re-entry or returns to the atmosphere in the final phase of the attack. This is the phase of flight when most missile defense systems hit an approaching target.
    (https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/28/russia-deploys-long-range-hypersonic-missile-system-invulnerable-to-intercept/)
    request The author, what the hell!?!?!?! request
  • Langf 29 December 2019 08: 54 New
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    No drawings, no formulas, no technological map - there is something to take offense at. Ooty ways - some kind of kindergarten. Even by the 180th engine, they did not do their homework, but they want to know the differential with a bent integral.
  • Dynamic systems 29 December 2019 08: 55 New
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    I.D.I.O.T.Y. - no words.
    Give them an image.
    You’ll get a “cocoa with tea” in time
  • bistrov. 29 December 2019 09: 07 New
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    This cannot be, because this can never be ..., hehe ...
  • Mountain shooter 29 December 2019 09: 16 New
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    How "their" is wrong ... It is clear that it was not easy to make such a "toy", a lot of work and talent was spent, and a lot of money, apparently ... And the shape of the device can tell a lot to competitors. Because nefig ...
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      How does "them" get it ...

      Nonsense, they just want to get more money out of Congress.
  • Ros 56 29 December 2019 09: 43 New
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    And the key to the apartment, where does the money lie to them not to give? Well, you can’t be so stupid.
  • KCA
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    For some reason I think that he doesn’t enter the dense layers of the atmosphere until he dives at the target, and before that he jumps on them like pebbles in the water
    1. Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 33 New
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      For some reason I think that he doesn’t enter the dense layers of the atmosphere until he dives at the target, and before that he jumps on them like pebbles in the water


      Maybe lower.

      "One of the participants in those events, Lavochkin’s deputy test director Leonid Sachs, said that somehow an American magazine fell into the hands of the Storm designers, which presented a map of the USSR with printed take-off and hit points, as well as flight routes of domestic long-range missiles there were all missiles except Storm. The fact is that NATO in Turkey had surveillance systems that tracked the upper part of the flight path of Soviet ballistic missiles. Based on the laws of ballistics, you can easily calculate the rest Russ rocket, place its ups and downs. But "The Tempest" was flying much lower and could make the maneuver at any given moment, so part of it was impossible to calculate the trajectory of the whole flight, to determine the starting point or hit. It was also a success. "
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        So the “Storm” was an intercontinental cruise missile, and not a ballistic one, as its trajectory was calculated
    2. Ros 56 29 December 2019 12: 56 New
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      The time will come, in their own skin they will find out what, why and why. lol
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      Have I, by the simplest logical reasoning, guessed? Here Y. Vyatkin wrote in my article practically my words: “the speeds there are completely different, and the ability to maneuver according to the course and altitude is also radically lower, and“ gliding jumps ”or, if you like,“ pebbles jumping over water ”from the earth’s atmosphere are also unavailable "
  • Dmitry Donyakin 29 December 2019 10: 17 New
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    Let them find a meteorite near Chelyabinsk in the network and admire it. How he enters and at what speed. Then many argued that it was. A rocket cannot do that. And the Vanguard? Then they did not hear about him. Just a bad test. They should have tested it. And test failures are a normal workflow. I do not state this, but ... As an assumption. Ball of fire, powerful blow, a series of explosions, a shock wave. And this is just a blank without a warhead.
    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 51 New
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      Did you see how the meteorite maneuvers? And yes, he burned all this time so that pebbles fell to the ground.
    2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 29 December 2019 14: 01 New
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      Get drunk.
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        Do not judge by yourself, do not use.
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  • Prisoner 29 December 2019 10: 27 New
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    laughing These are funny newspaper people. Show them everything, tell them everything, explain everything to them. Or maybe even give the drawings and put it into production? Yes, you, my friend, are subdued or completely insolent. Ali have already canceled military secret? what
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      Quote: Captive
      laughing These are funny newspaper people. Show them everything, tell them everything, explain everything to them.

      Among the commentators on VO are such a fig, although they are not newspaper men.
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        winked I noticed that.
  • Victor March 47 29 December 2019 10: 34 New
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    Quote: svp67
    At the same time, the authors complain that “not a single specific image of the“ Vanguard ”has been published by the Russian Ministry of Defense”
    Once again, I am surprised at the inertia of the guys from the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Well, show them a photo of a "fireball" entering into dense layers, let them admire ...

    If you understood this issue, you would not have written it. The fireball can reveal a lot of the tactical data of this device. Let their imagination complete the lack of information. The edge of secrecy, known, scares much more than the whole secret. Let these "partners" use all methods, bear the costs of finding secrets. Our business today is to conduct tests in those short moments when they do not have time to examine everything in detail from orbit.
  • bald 29 December 2019 10: 34 New
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    They need the keys to the room where the money is.
    1. Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 12 New
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      They need the keys to the room where the money is.


      Everyone is here.

      http://www.npomolniya.ru/
  • Doctor 29 December 2019 10: 44 New
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    In fact, it would be strange if manufacturers put all their trump cards on the table and began to explain to each questioner the technologies that were used to create the latest weapons.


    The first "Vanguard" hails from Nazi Germany. Silberfogel (silver bird) is a project of a high-altitude partially-orbital spacecraft bomber-Austrian scientist Dr. Eugen Senger. Other project names - Amerika Bomber, Orbital-Bomber, Antipodal-Bomber, Atmosphere Skipper, Ural-Bomber

    Manned bomber.
    TTX
    The length of the bomber is 28 m, the wingspan is about 15 m, the dry weight is 10 tons, the fuel weight is 84 tons. The total starting weight of the bomber is about 100 tons. The rocket engine was to develop thrust up to 100 tons.

    An article about him is here.

    https://topwar.ru/24604-serebryanaya-ptica-nadolgo-perezhivshaya-reyh.html
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  • Doctor 29 December 2019 10: 50 New
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    Continuation of “Silberfogel” - Senger-2.

    TTX
    The total mass of the system was to be about 366 tons. The carrier aircraft had a dry mass of 156 tons and 98 tons of hydrogen as fuel. The dry mass of the orbital aircraft was planned at 33 tons, and the mass of fuel and oxidizer (liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, respectively) was 74 tons. The total carrying capacity of the orbital aircraft was to be 5 tons.

  • Doctor 29 December 2019 10: 55 New
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    US manned Vanguard - X-20 Dyna-Soar (1957-1963 gg.)

    TTX (without TransStage stage):
    Length - 10,77 m.
    Wingspan - 6,35 m.
    The maximum takeoff weight - 5,165 tons.
    Payload - 450 kg.
    The volume of the cab is 3,50 cubic meters.
    Crew - 1 person (up to four in the future).

    1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 02 New
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      His lunar program would kill if this did not happen, this spaceship would take place.
  • Doctor 29 December 2019 11: 03 New
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    Cousins ​​of the "Vanguard"

    Aerospace System “Spiral” - photo in Paul's post (Bar 2).

    Cosmos-1374 is a Soviet space satellite of the BOR-4 type (unmanned orbital rocket plane).



    BOR-5 (unmanned orbital rocket glider) - an experimental apparatus, the overall weight model of the Buran orbital ship in a scale of 1: 8.

    1. opus 29 December 2019 12: 50 New
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      Quote: Arzt
      Cousins ​​of the "Vanguard"

      and didn’t stand close /
      "grandfathers" is
      Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle (abbreviated MARV or MaRV)
      Carriers
      R-27K

      Pershing II with 640 kg RV
      B-611 (BP-12B / CM-401) with tonnage WU-14
      --------------------
      and burs and spirals are different. Absolutely.
      1. for AGBO "4202" / 15YU71 reusability is not required
      2. AGBO "4202" / 15Y71 is many times more (if not an order of magnitude) located in the dense layers of the atmosphere both in time and in km.
      3. AGBO "4202" / 15Yu71 uses the remote control to achieve the goal, but they do not
      1. Doctor 29 December 2019 12: 58 New
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        and burs and spirals are different. Absolutely.


        Not really. Well I say - cousins.

        Here is my grandmother.

        “However, not only abroad, but even among our rocket experts, who were admitted to top secret missions, a very narrow circle knows that the famous Seven had a strong competitor in delivering nuclear charge - the Tempest composite cruise intercontinental missile. Flight tests "Storms" began earlier than the R-7 flew, but were discontinued in 1959.
        Almost none of our rocket and space specialists know that the modern, well-known winged ship Buran had a top secret, also winged namesake. He, having no time to make one flight, was stopped in production after the first successful flight of a ballistic "seven".
        B. Chertok. Rockets and people.


        1. opus 29 December 2019 13: 01 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          Here is my grandmother.

          no
          3,2-3,3 Mach, this is not hypersound
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          LKS, a campaign of the same type
  • Doctor 29 December 2019 11: 16 New
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    The last peep of the state avant-garde fashion.

    For civilians.
    "Dream Chaser" (Russian "Running for a dream") - reusable spacecraft, developed by the American company SpaceDev



    For the military.
    Old (1959-1970)
    X-15 - an experimental US rocket plane. First manned hypersonic aircraft-Airplane making suborbital manned space flights. The first reusable spaceship.



    Brand new.
    Boeing X-37 (also known as the X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV) - orbital test ship) - The aircraft is designed to operate at altitudes of 200-750 km, is able to quickly change orbits, maneuver. It is supposed to be able to carry out reconnaissance missions, deliver small cargoes into space (also return).

    The purpose and tasks for which the US Air Force uses an orbital plane were not disclosed in detail.

    During the fourth flight, the spacecraft was in orbit for 718 days, during the fifth - 780.

    1. opus 29 December 2019 12: 34 New
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      The last peep of the state avant-garde fashion.

      here it (listed) here to what?
      Neither Dream Chaser, nor X-15, nor X-37B
      1. are not a means of delivering ammunition to the target
      2. are not platforms that are delivered to the target, by launching the TERRESTRIAL ICBM
      3.Do not be in service with the United States
      1. Doctor 29 December 2019 13: 00 New
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        here it (listed) here to what?


        All are one family. Further development and parallel branches of Zilberfogel

        And this is the birth of "Vanguard"


        1. opus 29 December 2019 13: 05 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          Further development and parallel branches of Zilberfogel

          take it easy you with this bird
          Just read E. Sänger, Neuere. Ergebnisse der Raketenflugtechnik, Flug, Sonderheft I (Dec. 1934)
          Silbervogel is an orbital bomber carrying weapons (bombs), but not the hypersonic "bomb" itself.
          Yes, this is a theory, there was nothing in the iron, and could not be
      2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 15: 22 New
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        You can put a warhead in the HALL. It is launched into orbit by the launch vehicle (another name for ICBM). He can maneuver in the atmosphere and, most importantly, he exists. For several years now. Without squeals, "has no analogues! Hypersound! Russians are not countries with their missile defense." This is the difference between serious work on promising weapons and a jingoistic pump, in which the president of the Russian Federation repeats the obvious lies of his subordinates and is not ashamed of it.
        1. opus 29 December 2019 22: 28 New
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          Quote: Robertocalos
          You can put a warhead in the HALL

          possible, but not necessary.
          If in IL-76 / AN-124
          Quote: Robertocalos
          shove

          BoNbu, he does not become a bomber from this.
          Quote: Robertocalos
          He can maneuver in the atmosphere and, most importantly, he exists.

          in the atmosphere, he maneuvers a cuto: 250 miles from the calculated point, and even then not always.
          Quote: Robertocalos
          in which the President of the Russian Federation repeats the obvious lies of his subordinates and he is not ashamed of it.

          I agree, but this is not relevant to the topic of discussion
  • Azimuth 29 December 2019 11: 49 New
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    And it remains only to protect against the Vanguard the withdrawal of missile defense into space. So we are waiting for the next contract break.
  • Operator 29 December 2019 12: 21 New
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    When entering the atmosphere at an altitude of 100 km, the speed of an uncontrolled ICBM warhead is 25 M, and in a collision with the earth's surface - 10 M. And nothing burns, except for the external ablation coating.

    In the process of bouncing from the atmosphere at altitudes of 80-130 km, the planning wing block Avangard loses speed from 25 M to 12 M, and in the process of lowering it drops to 5 M.
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      Planning winged block "Vanguard" in the process of rebounds from the atmosphere at altitudes


      The third version of the Zilberfogel operating mode:

      The third version of the flight mode
      “Zenger intended to use the“ wave-like planning ”mode, reminiscent of the movement of a stone reflected during a throw from water and making“ pancakes. ”When planning from space, the rocket plane had to bounce (rebound) several times from dense layers of the atmosphere, thereby significantly lengthening the distance possible flight.
      To obtain such a flight regime, the rocket plane would have to gain a maximum speed of 7000 m / s to an altitude of 280 kilometers, make a first decrease and a “rebound from the atmosphere” at an altitude of 3500 kilometers at 40 kilometers from the launch point at a distance of 6750 kilometers from the launch point. The ninth planning and “rebound” would be already at a distance of 27 kilometers from the starting point. 500 hours 3 minutes after the launch, having completely circled the Earth, the rocket plane would have landed at the airfield in Germany, having arrived from the opposite side of the launch site. The estimated bombing point would be on one of the declines to the surface of the earth. "

      The planning wing block "Vanguard" in the process .... and in the process of reducing - up to 5 M


      "Storm" began from this.

      “But for the Storm, after some improvements, the streak of failure ended. On December 28, 1958, it made a successful flight (9th) lasting 309 seconds. In the following flights (tenth and eleventh launches), record-breaking results were obtained for that time: flight range 1350 km at a speed of 3300 km / h and 1760 km at a speed of 3500 km / h. In the USSR, at a speed of the order of M = Z, not a single vehicle has so far flown. "
    2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 13: 54 New
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      That sounds like the truth. A trip at an altitude of 90 km on Mach 22, and even with controlled maneuvers - unscientific fiction. And exactly this was given by the media a year ago. Quoting yourself you know whom.
  • opus 29 December 2019 12: 28 New
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    Quote: Author
    The Aviationist: “There is no explanation how the Vanguard is returning to hypersound in the atmosphere "

    did the translation author avatar google?
    No avant-garde images have been published, and there are no open explanations of how a maneuvering combat unit carries out evolutions with hypersonic speed after re-entry when returning to the dense layers of the atmosphere in the final phase of the attack.
    This phase of flight corresponds to when most missile defense systems hit an approaching target.

    and that’s all at once in its place. nor any conspiracy theories and Americans are not donkeys.

    Avangard launches flight using ICBM launch pad - Russian / here he is mistaken, this is the Soviet ICBM / ICBM "Stiletto SS-19" (also known as UR-100UTTkh). The vanguard of the HGV separates from its ICBM exit platform after reaching its climax or maximum altitude of about 100 km. After separation from the launch platform of ICBMs, the Vanguard without the use of remote control again enters the atmosphere with hypersonic speed. This flight profile is no different / here Tom confuses flat trajectories and a typical ICBM flight profile / from existing deployed hypersonic / here Tom is mistaken in terminology / ICBM weapons used by the USA and other countries. What is said to distinguish the Vanguard from existing means of charge delivery is its maneuverability

    as seen
    Quote: Author
    The Aviationist: "NoIS explanationsйI, as "Vanguard" returns to hypersound in the atmosphere "
    for Aviationist, but there is no such explanation for TopVar author of this article ...

    And do not think that the author of the article in Aviationist is dumber than the author of this article in TopVar.
    reference:
    Tom Demerly is a writer, journalist, photographer and editor who publishes around the world on TheAviationist.com, TACAIRNET.com, Outside Magazine, Business Insider, We the Mighty, The Dearborn Press & Guide, National Interest, Government Russian media "Sputnik" and many other publications. Demerry studied journalism at Henry Ford College in Dearborn, Michigan. Tom Demerle He served in the intelligence unit of the US Army and the National Guard of Michigan. His military education himself honorary graduate degree from the US Army Infantry School in Fort Benning, Georgia (cycle C-6-1) and as an intelligence observer in the intelligence unit, Company F, 425th INF (RANGER / AIRBORNE), Long Range Observation Unit (LRSU). Demerli is an experienced paratrooper ...
    here he is a "dumb" American author of an article in Aviationist, whose
    Quote: Author
    “There is no explanation of how Vanguard returns to hypersound in the atmosphere.”

  • Robertocalos 29 December 2019 12: 29 New
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    There is nothing strange. I became interested in this topic three days ago and actively communicated in the last thread on the topic of Vanguard. Then he shoveled the network over the past 1,5 years. Official media write the information as a carbon copy from the words of the Moscow Region and "experts." Indications are indecent. The real version: the ICBM takes the block into space, and on the last 1000 km to the target, Vanguard begins to plan for the target in the atmosphere, naturally reducing the speed to the physically possible (3-4 M) and laying a couple of turns, which are included in the control program. Unrealistic non-scientific fiction: BR raises the block 90 km and there it flies 5000 km to the target on 22 Machs (sic!) And it maneuvers almost according to commands from the center. This version was first voiced by Putin. Obviously, he is not a physicist and they simply slipped him a misinformation.
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      , naturally reducing the speed to the physically possible (3-4 M) and laying a couple of turns, which are included in the control program.


      Конечно.

      “The total launch weight of the Storm exceeded 90 tons. The total mass of the cruise missile itself was more than 33 tons. The system was designed for a range of 8000 km at a speed of 3,1 mach. On the marching section, the flight altitude was 17 m. On the approach to the target, the rocket did an anti-aircraft maneuver, rose to a height of 500 m and dive steeply. It was already assumed that the rocket would carry an atomic bomb. "
      1. Operator 29 December 2019 13: 38 New
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        The “Storm” is a supersonic cruise missile with a liquid-propellant rocket engine, and the “Vanguard” is a glider without an engine (accelerates with the help of the UR-100N UTTX missile carrier), feel the difference.

        And so as not to get up twice: Zircon - a hypersonic cruise missile with ramjet.
        1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 23 New
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          Nobody has seen Zircon. To argue for hypersound. The ramjet with 3 swing works. And at 6 M the surface will heat up to 4 thousand degrees and plasma will appear. How at this speed not to burn, and, most importantly, to aim at the target, science is not yet known.
    2. nickname7 29 December 2019 14: 10 New
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      This version was first voiced by Putin

      This is a pre-election speech, the guarantor voiced it, 3 days before the vote count.
      Obviously, he is not a physicist and they simply slipped him a disu.

      But the ratings took off and won the election, in fact for which it was announced.
      Most lie after the hunt and before the election.
      1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 14: 19 New
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        Even here a lot of people do not doubt his words. And how everyone loves to be proud of their Soviet education. But an elementary school course is enough to understand - fairy tales tell you.
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    Due to the combined scramjet + DRD, low fuel consumption is a huge impulse per unit of time.
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    It was awkward. Neither drawings, nor detailed photos, nor how and where it will fly from. So decent partners do not act!
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    Yes, you finally give them all the technical documentation, detailed drawings, a working prototype, because the guys are very interested.
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      Pictures of the Boeing X-37 google in seconds.
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    Quote: 1976AG
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "and in the atmosphere decreases to 20-25 max" ////
    ----
    20-25 - this is just in space.
    And in the atmosphere we drop to 5, then to 3 MAX. Otherwise, it will burn without a trace.

    if he had 3-5 Machs in the atmosphere, he would go astray without any problems, this is the first. The second is that the speed in space is NEVER measured in the mach, because sound does not propagate in space, so if the speed is expressed in Mach, it is already the speed in the atmosphere.

    It is reduced to such speeds. Alexey (voyaka uh) is absolutely right in this. For example, the same “Iskander” at the end of the ATU has a speed of 2,1 km / s or 6,4 M, but the target already has 700-800 m / s or 2-2,4 M. For strategists, this approach speed is actually about 3-5 Machs. Theoretically, you can shoot down at this speed without problems. But the truth is that the reaction time will be 3-6 seconds, and it’s important that the anti-aircraft defense system reacts to such a goal

    Quote: 1976AG
    You don’t seem to understand that the uniqueness of the Vanguard lies precisely in the fact that it is capable of not only walking in the atmosphere at a speed of Mach 20-25, but also maneuvering along the course and altitude. What gentle descending trajectory are you talking about? Once again, watch the video showing the maneuvers of this unit. And once again I remind you that in space the speed is measured in km / s, and not in Machs. Therefore, if you were given speed in Machs, then this is speed in the atmosphere.

    Alexei! Do not repeat the nonsense, even if said by the President of the country. This block physically cannot go in the atmosphere at a speed of 20-25 because it will burn. At altitudes from 0 to 11 km and speeds of 10M, the braking temperature will be 6051 ° K. At altitudes from 11 to 25 km - 4550 ° K.
    A video showing the maneuvers of this unit does not exist in nature. We are shown animation and nothing more ...

    Quote: sir.jonn
    "The dagger doesn’t leave the atmosphere at all and flies 10 mach without problems

    Well, in-1 the speed of the order of 9M “Dagger” reaches at the final stage of the engine. At the end of the out. In-2. Further, descending into the atmosphere, it begins to slow down. In addition, there is no confirmation that his maximum flight altitude is only 100 km. Here either or. Either the flight altitude (apogee) is much greater than 100 km and then it actually reaches the declared range of about 2000-2200 km, or it has an apogee less than 100 km, but then there can be no talk of such a range

    Quote: Robertocalos
    Of course not. It accelerates to the apogee of the trajectory to about this speed, shoots the engine, and then the combat unit falls on the target. This is an ordinary ballistic missile.

    "Dagger", like "Iskander" does not have a detachable warhead. The whole rocket falls on the target

    Quote: D16
    AUT lasts 100-150 km. Then the block flies to an intercontinental range. Unlike the now fashionable TT missiles, the UR-100N-UTTX has a minimum range of 1000 km. And this is a much more interesting characteristic.

    The ICBM UR-100N UTTH has an active section height of 400 km. And only after the completion of the ATU does the separation of the "payload"
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      Out with a correlation how? 1:10? It seemed to me less
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    Directly on ilf and petrov "maybe you keys to syf ....".
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    Cooling warheads at supersonic speed was invented in the sixties. Since the disposable thing on top there will simply be an evaporating layer that will serve as cooling.
    And technology has gone a long way since then
    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 48 New
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      Very far. It is one thing to cool seconds, even at falling temperatures, and another ten minutes at a constant.
  • Old26 29 December 2019 17: 52 New
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    Quote: Robertocalos
    Out with a correlation how? 1:10? It seemed to me less

    We are not talking about the correlation of the OUT and the range. The point is that the active section of the trajectory of this liquid-fuel rocket ends at an altitude of 400 km, and not at those 100-150 km that some users like to write about
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      Does the ICBM fly along a parabola? The higher the OUT, the higher the range. Is not it? OUT - 100, range - about 1000, etc.
  • Shahno 29 December 2019 19: 28 New
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    To date. Well, I don’t know, it's all politics. No breakthrough technologies have happened. There are no supermaterials allowing maneuvers in the atmosphere with hypersound, there is no significant progress in signal transmission through plasma. Understand, I am not against your patriotic mood, colleagues. Not at all.
    I would be very glad if a solid body maneuvered at an altitude of 20 km for a long time without losing control. Well, we don’t live in isolation. Sharashka over.
    1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 19: 58 New
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      These materials and control systems in the plasma stream are a subject of state secrets and will not tell anyone about them in the next few decades, they will not even show the glider.
      1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 50 New
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        Century, of course. What is there. In the age of the Internet, political decisions may be a state secret, but not scientific discoveries.
        1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 23: 00 New
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          Recently, the nuclear suitcase was declassified, which Brezhnev had in the 70th year - that's the declassification of the Vanguard, you will wait 50 years.
          1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 23: 10 New
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            Nobody was interested in his suitcase. This is not a conceptual invention “based on new physical principles” and with fundamental discoveries.
    2. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 49 New
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      In Residues, new physical principles do not open. There you could crookedly copy and "improve" other people's samples.
  • Operator 29 December 2019 19: 29 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    we

    You laughing
    1. Vadim237 29 December 2019 19: 54 New
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      And you are the same - not the designers of hypersonic gliders.
      1. Operator 29 December 2019 20: 03 New
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        We will be modestly silent bully
  • Freedim 29 December 2019 19: 36 New
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    So they kind of said that the main problem was the issue of remote control of an object surrounded by a cloud of plasma, and the "avant-garde" became possible only after solving this issue. If we discard the theory of “misinformation of the probable adversary through the media”, then we can assume that the “plasma cloud” is precisely the “lubricant” (like cavitation bubbles in the “Flurry”) between the planning block and the atmosphere.
    1. Robertocalos 29 December 2019 20: 52 New
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      It was not the enemy who was misinformed, but the patriotic public, which still believes in the official media and does not think about the nature of things.
  • Old26 29 December 2019 19: 54 New
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    Quote: opus
    15P771 Vanguard. This "P" probably?

    15P771 "Vanguard" is an intercontinental-range missile system with aeroballistic hypersonic combat equipment (AGBO)
    I'm wondering
    15Yu71-u "how is it decrypted?

    The question is of course interesting, Anton, but this designation (Vanguard) somewhat falls out of the well-known designations.
    You can start with the fact that all mine-based missile systems have the following indexation: 15P0xx, 15P1xx or 15P2xxWhere xx - rocket designation. Why such a scatter (0xx, 1xx, 2xx) is not yet clear and no one can answer this question, but for example, the currently created Sarmat complex will have an index 15P228where the designation of the complex is 15P228, and the designation of the rocket is 15A28.

    designation 15P771 - This is the designation of a mine combat launch complex with ICBM 15A71 (sometimes this missile is called 15A35-71). Roughly speaking, mine.

    Index decoding is interesting 15J71. All media believe that the letter Ю - this is AGBO, citing the Vanguard index as an example 15J71 and its pre-existing version 15J70. But whether this is true or not is unknown.
    For example, I heard that this is the designation of products (missiles), with a special warhead. One such rocket is known with certainty - 15Y75 "Siren" of the "Perimeter" system. The rocket was originally called 15ZH75, but recently this designation does not occur. Following this logic - it is this rocket with the Vanguard that must have an index 15J71, and Vanguard itself is an index 15Fh71
  • Old26 29 December 2019 20: 35 New
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    The Vanguard itself was really never shown, only the Ukrainian launch vehicle.

    UR-100N UTTH (aka 15A35) has never been a Ukrainian launch vehicle. This is a Chelomeevsky rocket, from Reutov
  • Maestro 29 December 2019 22: 12 New
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    The whole "trick" is that the American Aegis is imprisoned to counter missiles flying along a ballistic trajectory. And the Avangard block, thrown along a gentle trajectory, and having a “fall point” no further than Novaya Zemlya or Svalbard, even detected — is not perceived by the missile defense system as a threat to America’s security. Only after the 2nd-3rd "bounce" from the atmosphere somewhere at an altitude of 50-70 km, AWACS radars will truncate that this "object" has a target in the United States.
    But I remember - their SM-3 kinetic interceptor can only get into freely falling large-sized warheads ...
    ! -)
    1. Good_Anonymous 29 December 2019 22: 41 New
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      Quote: Maestro
      And the Avangard block, thrown along a gentle trajectory, and having a “fall point” no further than Novaya Zemlya or Svalbard, even detected — is not perceived by the missile defense system as a threat to America’s security. Only after the 2nd-3rd “bounce” from the atmosphere somewhere at an altitude of 50-70 km, AWACS radars will truncate that this “object” has a target in the United States.


      This is decided by a software upgrade.

      Quote: Maestro
      But I remember - their SM-3 kinetic interceptor can only get into freely falling large-sized warheads ...


      The SM-3 is an atmospheric interceptor, and the Vanguard's novelty is that it manages to maneuver in the atmosphere. So the SM-3 Vanguard maneuverability does not hurt.
    2. Vadim237 29 December 2019 23: 06 New
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      SM 3 if it can intercept the warheads of ICBMs, then the effectiveness of this system will be extremely low in view of the presence of false targets light and heavy.
      1. Good_Anonymous 29 December 2019 23: 27 New
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        Once again: against the SM-3 (and any transatmospheric interceptor), the specific capabilities of the Vanguard are useless. As for the false goals: after the first maneuver of the Vanguard, it becomes clear - this is the real goal.
        1. Vadim237 30 December 2019 15: 26 New
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          They are now developing and testing fast-neutron generators, space-based beam weapons for the selection of false warheads for missile defense systems - this means that the agreement on the non-placement of weapons in space weighs in the balance and there will appear space-based anti-missiles they will be able to seriously combat our ICBMs warheads and Vanguard including. And an analogue of our complex in the USA was tested in the 2010 HTV 2 on a Minotaur 4 rocket.
          1. Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 15: 37 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            fast neutron generators are testing space-based beam weapons for the selection of false warheads for missile defense systems


            Excuse me, but the “fast neutron generators” and the “beam weapons” in your comment are two entities or one with a long name? And how can weapons help breeding false warheads? And what "false warheads" will this weapon select - heavy or light?
  • Yuri Kharitonov 30 December 2019 00: 08 New
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    The enemy must be troll at every opportunity. Let him scratch his turnip .... What we have, what we don’t have, is not his dog thing. According to the regime of secrecy, the principle acted: "If the enemy does not know what we have, then he does not know what we do not have."
  • Satanator 30 December 2019 01: 26 New
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    But why should the Vanguard "return to hypersound in the atmosphere"?
    Russia is not going to attack the USA at all!
    And for the retaliatory strike, for the next 20 years, twenty-four “Stilettos” with these blocks are quite enough, for example, in this scenario - the Vanguards will start faster than the rest, then they are guaranteed to fly to the United States, to specified areas with an accuracy of plus or minus 10 kilometers, and are blown up at an altitude of 5-10 km.
    A thermonuclear explosion of 40-50 megatons distributed over the territory makes the missile defense and air defense systems helpless, after which the traditional ballistic blocks from Yars, Topoli, Pins, etc. are already helpless. complete the "afterburner".
    hi
    1. Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 02: 28 New
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      And why is the Vanguard for this and is it capable of carrying a 2Mt warhead?
      1. Satanator 30 December 2019 18: 43 New
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        to be guaranteed to fly to the USA - the Americans are trying hard to finish the means of intercepting conventional ballistic blocks
        and 2 MT charge, the four-ton block should carry light
        1. Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 19: 09 New
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          Quote: Good_Anonymous
          And why is the Vanguard for this and is it capable of carrying a 2Mt warhead?
          Quote: Satanator
          to be guaranteed to fly to the USA



          If you think that only the Vanguard can fly to the USA with guarantee, okay.

          Quote: Satanator
          Americans are trying hard to finish the means of intercepting conventional ballistic blocks


          Already 50 years.
    2. Ivan Anatolyevich 30 December 2019 14: 14 New
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      Here are just a "Stylet" three times extended resource, and the last of them was made back in 1985
      1. Satanator 30 December 2019 18: 39 New
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        Vanguards are placed on Stylet from conservation, i.e. essentially new, such pieces are 30, and 20 years will stand on a DB
  • Nitarius 30 December 2019 05: 28 New
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    ))) Let them turn to Baba Yaga))) she falls on the coffee grounds))))
  • cheburator 30 December 2019 09: 56 New
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    Misunderstandings - watch cartoons! We are Russians, God is with us!