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Ministry of Defense convenes everyone in information trenches

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First Deputy Minister of Defense Ruslan Tsalikov through the subordinate newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda reported that foreign states are preparing an information campaign to discredit the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces.


"At the same time, information pressure directed against representatives of the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces of all levels is expected to increase in the near future - from the command of formations, associations, military branches and branches of the Armed Forces to the direct military-political leadership."


Difficult sensations, to be honest. On the one hand, is this the source of so much compromising material from unknown spies, or what kind of institutes worked, inventing such mountains of information? Interesting.

But let's go further on the statements of Mr. Tsalikov.

The deputy minister said that the information attack would be aimed at undermining the confidence of Russian society in the combat readiness and combat readiness of the army.

I believe in it. And absolutely without labor. This is a normal move, completely in the spirit of modernity. This is exactly the way to work, creating such trends in society.

But substantive questions arise.

Excuse me, but through whom will these information attacks be carried out?

If through some affiliate or accredited representatives? Yes, quit. We already know all of these, and not one of these media outlets will be able to inflict the information damage that the deputy minister speaks of.

According to Tsalikov, the customers of this campaign will use "dirty methods of information warfare" against the Ministry of Defense, to which the military department is going to respond with "honest and open work."

We can say a few words about “honest and open work”.

“Honest and open work” consists in the exclusive filtering of the entire information flow related to the actions of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

I suspect that some forces voiced by the deputy minister that will carry out the campaign against the Ministry of Defense mean ALL journalists who criticize events in the Russian Armed Forces.

What can I say, here they are just enough to sound the alarm. His, Russian, but somehow dissatisfied with what is happening.

It is clear that the press service of the Ministry of Defense, which has become numb in the stamps of fifty years ago, is simply not able to really “honestly and openly” fight against negativity in the army.

Therefore, all cases of the death of military personnel are of military service, that of contract servicemen - this is exclusively an oversight of military medical commissions that made inadequate service.

All cases of incomprehensible “disbursement of funds” are a misunderstanding of the essence of the ongoing processes, and all cases of doubt about the correctness of actions are precisely from the opera about betrayal, venality to the West and so on.

According to the manuals of the Soviet era.

No, well, why is it customary for us from the times of the Soviet Union to take only the worst and worst?

“The media and communication system has become an area of ​​very serious confrontation. Moreover, information in skilled hands and sufficient resources has turned into powerful and destructive weapon».


It's true. Information, especially true information, is really a weapon. Especially in the interests of the Ministry of Defense to minimize the impact of these weapons.

In fact, I believe that this is all - just the first step towards strict censorship. This is what awaits us in the near future. At least, everything goes to that.

The deputy minister called on Russian journalists to become allies of the Ministry of Defense in repelling this attack.

“In the current state, not everyone likes the Russian Armed Forces. We do not strive for this. However, there are plans and plans to discredit the Russian army, which we will never allow. And you need to deal with this only with openness. ”


Well, it's worth seeing how it will look. I remember one journalist from Military Review who criticized the actions of the Ministry of Defense too much, was simply excluded from participation in any events held by the ministry.

Perhaps he is not the only one. In a good way, one should ask Comrade General Egorov, well, not fate.

However, the mechanism has already been worked out. And its essence is no criticism of the army. No. Only “Thunder of victory, give out”, only laudatory odes. And if someone criticizes ... Well, I think that’s what the deputy minister said about this.

A conscript soldier suddenly killed himself, the day before telling his family on the phone that he was doing well - claims only to his parents who raised an unbalanced person.

He contracted his life with a contractor in a dysfunctional part - there are several “witnesses” who will tell that the deceased played in a casino, had a fight with his wife and was a supporter of Grudinin in the elections.

And the fact that the regional city before the wedding of the daughter of one of the chiefs of services of one division was flooded with discounted IRP, butter, stew, sugar and cereals - that’s what foreign agents bought exclusively for dollars will talk about.

Because everything is great in our army. And to talk about all the processes you need only this way.

Everything else is from the evil one, that is, from agents of the West.

What a joy for the cheers patriots ... But how everything will be luxurious. The lines are lined up, painted one color, letters one to one. And the whole press will turn into the editorial of the same "Red Star". Glorifying everything that happens in our army and on navy.

And with non-believers bought for dollars, all patriotic forces will fight. To the last letter.

It is pleasant to understand that in the Ministry of Defense there are such understanding specialists as Mr. Tsalikov. With them, the army and navy will confidently step into a brighter future. Open. With maximum openness. And we will see how all this will look - the maximum openness in the execution of the maximum censorship and distortion of facts by the Ministry of Defense.

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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 29 December 2019 05: 28
    -20
    Excuse me, but through whom will these information attacks be carried out?

    No need to go far smile
    Echo of Moscow ... Novaya Gazeta, Rain, etc. ... go to their sites and read their dirty libel.
    In addition, fighters of information units of our enemy are constantly hanging out in all Russian-language websites, including in VO ... besides them, there are also various volunteers from Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine ... there are also a cohort of Russophobes emigrants in the USA and Germany ... a general name them the Legion of Satan.
    Surprised what the Russian Defense Ministry has just started bustling just now ... isn't it too late.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 December 2019 05: 41
      +3
      Yes, of course these are enemies .. But the Defense Ministry is also not going smoothly. However, the article says this. So maybe it's better not to give our enemies a reason to pour slop? However, this guano will always be found.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 29 December 2019 06: 04
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, of course these are enemies .. But the Defense Ministry is also not going smoothly. However, the article says this. So maybe it's better not to give our enemies a reason to pour slop? However, this guano will always be found.

        And you still do not give occasion to the amers to introduce new sanctions. Think help? Echo of Moscow will find dirt everywhere. There is no reason - they will think up, they have rich experience.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 29 December 2019 15: 18
          +4
          Quote: 1976AG
          Echo of Moscow will find dirt everywhere.

          And what is the matter of Moscow Region to the Echo of Moscow?
        2. Igoresha
          Igoresha 30 December 2019 19: 23
          +2
          Echo of Moscow will find dirt everywhere.
          and you sue them !!! Won 10 years ago, a hidden camera of cadets providing intimate services to wealthy men was shown, so where is the court, the fairest in the world, in defense of the honor of a uniform?
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 29 December 2019 06: 38
        +9
        So maybe it's better not to give our enemies a reason to pour slop?

        Well, the enemies are looking for such slops in the Ministry of Defense to pour them on us.
        So you just have to be morally and morally superior to them ... and then no shit will stick to the pure.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 December 2019 12: 33
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          So you just have to be morally and morally superior to them ... and then no shit will stick to the clean.

          In theory it is. But in life ... recourse

          And, in general, the author is also right and ... MO, yes
      3. figwam
        figwam 29 December 2019 11: 07
        +1
        foreign states are preparing an information campaign to discredit the leadership of the Armed Forces of Russia.

        Such moves by the West may signal the approach of war.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 29 December 2019 15: 20
          +18
          Quote: figvam
          foreign states are preparing an information campaign to discredit the leadership of the Armed Forces of Russia.

          And what kind of "discrediting" is there? Someone's dacha in a NATO country was found again, and the American passport is with the son?
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 29 December 2019 19: 07
            +7
            Quote: Octopus
            Quote: figvam
            foreign states are preparing an information campaign to discredit the leadership of the Armed Forces of Russia.

            And what kind of "discrediting" is there? Someone's dacha in a NATO country was found again, and the American passport is with the son?

            There is so much dirt on Shoigu alone that you never dreamed of. Do not touch it yet, because a member of the "family". But if they feel like it, they will merge it, and you will be very surprised. I think so.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 29 December 2019 19: 11
              -3
              Quote: Doliva63
              and you will be very surprised

              Seriously?
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 29 December 2019 20: 26
                +3
                Quote: Octopus
                Quote: Doliva63
                and you will be very surprised

                Seriously?

                Well, according to rumors among the Moscow FSB officers, it is very likely.
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 29 December 2019 21: 02
                  +3
                  ))
                  I meant something else. Do you seriously think that arresting anyone can surprise someone? Except in the sense of "who dared"?
                2. Lekov L
                  Lekov L 30 December 2019 00: 59
                  +5
                  Well, according to rumors among the Moscow FSB officers, it is very likely.

                  Who to believe is up to you.
                  And who was going to take money out of them by trucks, aren't these rumors circulating?
                  Caution with the rumors should be ..
                  Sincerely ... hi
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 31 December 2019 17: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Lekov L
                    Well, according to rumors among the Moscow FSB officers, it is very likely.

                    Who to believe is up to you.
                    And who was going to take money out of them by trucks, aren't these rumors circulating?
                    Caution with the rumors should be ..
                    Sincerely ... hi

                    I'm talking about veterans who are not threatened by trucks, if that.
                    But what should be more careful - I agree, thanks drinks
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 31 December 2019 10: 54
              -3
              Amazing awareness of compromising evidence on Shoigu!
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 31 December 2019 17: 04
                0
                Quote: Victor N
                Amazing awareness of compromising evidence on Shoigu!

                Well, it’s more to Shoigu, not to me. Do you know what a news feed is? Somewhere, probably.
          2. Yegorchik
            Yegorchik 30 December 2019 10: 19
            -1
            Quote: Octopus

            And what kind of "discrediting" is there? Someone's dacha in a NATO country was found again, and the American passport is with the son?

            The full video will be uploaded with the new Irkutsk governor, which shows that the second character is the current head of Moscow Region.
      4. Victor N
        Victor N 31 December 2019 10: 50
        -1
        Let's not write nasty things about Russia and more correctly in relation to the authorities. Do not give additional reasons to undermine the state.
    2. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 29 December 2019 05: 42
      +28
      I believe that now Russia, not only the army, but also all other branches of government, needs healthy criticism, alternative opinions, opposition if you will. But this "alternative opinion" is not visible. There is either criticism "everything is gone" or paid Russophobia. And without opposition, any power structures will degrade.
    3. Professor
      Professor 29 December 2019 08: 58
      +25
      Quote: The same Lech
      Excuse me, but through whom will these information attacks be carried out?

      No need to go far smile
      Echo of Moscow ... Novaya Gazeta, Rain, etc. ... go to their sites and read their dirty libel.
      In addition, fighters of information units of our enemy are constantly hanging out in all Russian-language websites, including in VO ... besides them, there are also various volunteers from Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine ... there are also a cohort of Russophobes emigrants in the USA and Germany ... a general name them the Legion of Satan.
      Surprised what the Russian Defense Ministry has just started bustling just now ... isn't it too late.

      Definitely enemies. You only need to watch the Zvezda TV channel and listen to the Ministry of Defense's press service, and then the army will become the strongest in the world. Public control and other nasty things make the army weaker. I would also take a non-disclosure subscription from demobels. I told my fellow villagers a lie about the general's dachas and hazing - you are dear to Magadan. For libel. Is there any evidence? No. That means slander.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 December 2019 09: 20
        -18
        Is there evidence? No. So slander

        That is, unproven accusations are permissible?
        Or are they admissible only in case of criticism of state structures?
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 29 December 2019 10: 27
          +12
          And it pleases me that even in the west (it is clear that not for the sake of the Russians, but for their own selfishness, but anyway, already) they will put our statesmen and officials in the clear water and write about the real state of affairs in the economy and in defense.
          1. Tuk77
            Tuk77 29 December 2019 11: 02
            +11
            Maybe not worth it?
            To write about the real state of affairs in the economy and in defense?
            And then we’ll stop sleeping at night.
            And the patriots will lose their emotional balance on the basis of cognitive dissonance.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 30 December 2019 11: 45
              +4
              So you can oversleep everything in the world, Tuk77.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 12
            0
            The guys in the West do not even have a part of the picture of the situation in the Russian economy and in defense - and they cannot know by definition.
            1. karabass
              karabass 29 December 2019 17: 46
              +3
              If their intelligence works, it means they must know something by definition!
              I personally am not a military man, but I also know a lot of things while working at the Moscow Region, although our military really does not like to chat
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 30 December 2019 11: 48
              +3
              It seems to me that these guys know almost everything, Vadim.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 December 2019 13: 18
                -1
                Well, yes - through social networks, information worthy of reinforced concrete faith in its veracity.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 30 December 2019 13: 28
                  +4
                  Vadim, why do they need social networks? Guys from above with a residence permit, etc. they have in bulk.
        2. Professor
          Professor 29 December 2019 17: 37
          +8
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Is there evidence? No. So slander

          That is, unproven accusations are permissible?
          Or are they admissible only in case of criticism of state structures?

          Evidence to whom? You will open your mouth to the army as a punishment. They will turn off the electricity, block the mobile phone, break the door and again ... after 2 days you are beyond the Arctic Circle. In the army. No right to date.
          1. karabass
            karabass 29 December 2019 17: 51
            +2
            Good evening professor! Are you talking about that kid who was sent to serve on New Earth? You don’t know, there in units for conscripts - LAFA! (In Russia, it’s much worse), and the contract soldiers get there either for a bribe or for pulling
            1. Professor
              Professor 29 December 2019 18: 08
              +12
              Quote: karabass
              Good evening professor! Are you talking about that kid who was sent to serve on New Earth? You don’t know, there in units for conscripts - LAFA! (In Russia, it’s much worse), and the contract soldiers get there either for a bribe or for pulling

              Here he is stupid. I did not understand my happiness. I had to break out the door and deliver it in secret from my mother on a special flight to the duty station. The ViPi bus drove. They didn’t call me like that ...
              1. karabass
                karabass 29 December 2019 18: 14
                0
                Yes, I myself came to the venkomat, I’m not talking about this, you can serve on New Earth! I personally saw it! in Cap Yare much worse for example
        3. arkadiyssk
          arkadiyssk 4 January 2020 11: 58
          -1
          That is, unproven accusations are permissible?
          Or are they admissible only in case of criticism of state structures?


          Bravo! That's it! Here you were right, although you tried to joke. For simplicity, according to the legislation of the Russian Federation, in case of accusation of state bodies, the RESPONSIBILITY of proof lies with state bodies. CAS RF Art. 65 - please study. Those. this state must prove that it is not guilty, and not a person to prove the guilt of the state. The meaning of this is that a person would have some chance of forgiving the system.
      2. lucul
        lucul 29 December 2019 15: 50
        -4
        He told fellow villagers a lie about general's summer residences and hazing

        But what kind of cottages are these? They are building and building them all (almost 100 years already), and they are building and building, and they don’t have an end and land, all of Russia is already in the summer cottages of the generals, but they still won’t be completed. The echo of Moscow ... Novaya Gazeta, Rain, etc. will not let you lie - they are reporting day and night from their construction site .....
        1. Professor
          Professor 29 December 2019 17: 42
          +14
          Quote: lucul
          He told fellow villagers a lie about general's summer residences and hazing

          But what kind of cottages are these? They are building and building them all (almost 100 years already), and they are building and building, and they don’t have an end and land, all of Russia is already in the summer cottages of the generals, but they still won’t be completed. The echo of Moscow ... Novaya Gazeta, Rain, etc. will not let you lie - they are reporting day and night from their construction site .....

          There are more and more generals with each dmem and none of the old generals gives their cottages to new ones. So they build new cottages ...
          1. From Siberia we
            From Siberia we 9 January 2020 15: 08
            0
            Professor !!!! You're still here? And under his old nickname? Yes you are a GENIUS !!! I was kicked out for good !!!! Two years did not go here. I could not bear it. I went in. Nice to meet you!
      3. lucul
        lucul 29 December 2019 15: 53
        -3
        Public control and other nasty things make the army weaker.

        You still say-that democracy, when given the order-will save the army)))
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 30 December 2019 18: 08
          +4
          There is no need to "juggle", where does the battle order? We're talking about other "orders", for example, to collect money from subordinates. Here is information from the newspaper "Vzglyad":
          "One of the first to talk about the system of extortions in the army was Igor Sulim, an instructor pilot at the Lipetsk center for combat use and retraining of flight personnel. The money allegedly went to the needs of the unit. Then the first Serdyukov prizes appeared in the army. Indeed, very decent sums." But they were given them not to everyone, but to the most distinguished. Or - the second option - to those who were ready to donate part of the prize. ”Sulim, who was given 52 thousand rubles a month by order of Serdyukov, had to give back about 13 thousand.
          The publication of this data on the pilot's blog caused a scandal and investigation. True, Sulim himself was then kicked out of the military aviation for "health reasons." This, however, did not prevent him from getting a job as a pilot in civil aviation. Now he works for Chinese airlines, although he often travels to Moscow. "
      4. nickname7
        nickname7 29 December 2019 17: 03
        -4
        Public oversight

        And what do you equate the echo of Moscow with public control and criticism?
        They defend and promote Western interests, but sorry about foreign interests, you can listen to CNN.
        1. Igoresha
          Igoresha 30 December 2019 19: 28
          -1
          And what do you equate the echo of Moscow with public control and criticism
          and how, since you personally do not want your neighbors ..
    4. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 29 December 2019 10: 54
      +6
      And it seems to me that the main enemy is the State Duma and the government, thanks to their indefatigable energy in lawmaking, any fictitious or thought-out muck about Russia or its armed forces will fall on the soil cultivated by the country's leadership, and this is the worst thing that can happen. Ask people on the street about their attitude to the Duma and the Medvedev government and you will understand that now is the very moment for stuffing.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 29 December 2019 11: 39
        +5
        State Duma and Government .....
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 29 December 2019 17: 12
        +4
        And it seems to me that the main enemy is the State Duma and the government

        The Duma is, as is customary in bourgeois countries, a lobbyist structure where proteges or representatives of large companies pass the laws needed by these companies. Enemies of the Russian Federation in some way are compradors-sellers of resources.
        The government of the Russian Federation pursues a policy almost tighter than the British colonialists in India.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 30 December 2019 11: 51
          +3
          The government of the Russian Federation pursues a policy almost tighter than the British colonialists in India.

          I think that it’s not like the British, but as the top of the Hindus, or rather.
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 29 December 2019 19: 17
        +7
        Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
        And it seems to me that the main enemy is the State Duma and the government, thanks to their indefatigable energy in lawmaking, any fictitious or thought-out muck about Russia or its armed forces will fall on the soil cultivated by the country's leadership, and this is the worst thing that can happen. Ask people on the street about their attitude to the Duma and the Medvedev government and you will understand that now is the very moment for stuffing.

        The main enemy is capitalism, and it does not seem to me.
    5. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 29 December 2019 11: 48
      -1
      This is the first time I see a huge video wall behind the heads of those sitting in the hall. Is this a prompter for the "no-paper talkers" from the podium?
    6. nickname7
      nickname7 29 December 2019 16: 59
      -1
      And on KM.RU they wrote that an attack was being prepared on the Russian elite, and not specifically on the Moscow Region.
      In the Russian Federation, they control the situation well enough; the State Department is not dangerous to them.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 29 December 2019 19: 20
        +5
        Quote: nickname7
        And on KM.RU they wrote that an attack was being prepared on the Russian elite, and not specifically on the Moscow Region.
        In the Russian Federation, they control the situation well enough; the State Department is not dangerous to them.

        The Russian elite - who is it? Abramovich, promissory notes, rotenbergs, putins, chubais? I’m not sorry, right. I would even help if I could. But with interest I look from the side.
      2. Igoresha
        Igoresha 30 December 2019 19: 29
        -2
        attack on the Russian elite
        if it is sanctions on the authorities then the people (of the Russian Federation) will support. Although we know without the State Department, you can’t ban Navalny in YouTube, this is not Telegram;)
    7. klaus16
      klaus16 30 December 2019 10: 21
      -2
      I agree to all 100. I also forgot to mention social networks. There are stupid, a copy of the slop in the address of something state, well, a lot. And the youth is reading and shaking on a mustache. If you are silent and do nothing, it seems like we agree with the slops. Something like this.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 December 2019 18: 13
        +4
        And the authorities are not silent, they are fighting:
        Here are the data from Wikipedia: In September 2013, the media became aware of the existence in St. Petersburg at 55 Savushkina Street of the “troll factory” (the official name is “Internet Research Agency”), whose employees posted posts and comments on the Internet that characterize Russia under Putin, as a stable and comfortable country, which has a lot of advantages compared to the immoral West. As well as criticism of everyone who is at least a little dangerous to Putin’s power.
        In May 2014, the hacker group Anonymous International published data on which this agency was funded by structures of Yevgeny Prigozhin, a friend of Putin.
    8. Thompson
      Thompson 31 December 2019 08: 41
      0
      Wow how zamusunuyut! Apparently our last offer. and for their whole meaning theirs wink And they say censorship with us.
    9. Oleg (Kharkov)
      Oleg (Kharkov) 1 January 2020 14: 03
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Echo of Moscow ... Novaya Gazeta, Rain, etc. ... go to their sites and read their dirty libel.

      Or maybe just give less reason? maybe at least sometimes it’s worth putting the generals to the wall? or no reason? All the same, a great position should be a big responsibility. In 1937, they could simply slap for discrediting the Soviet regime
  2. g_ae
    g_ae 29 December 2019 05: 32
    +22
    Test photo. Such exhausted physical service .. (PARDON) inspired persons. Extended colleagues.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 December 2019 07: 42
      +15
      Quote: g_ae
      Test photo. Such exhausted physical service .. (PARDON) inspired persons. Extended colleagues.

      okay warriors, okay Sveta (Khorkina (fourth from the right)), but what the holy fathers do there is not clear to me. Battle fathers (interestingly, under the patriarchy there is already an army GU) ???
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 29 December 2019 09: 15
        +8
        Quote: PSih2097
        but what the holy fathers do there, I don’t understand

        How is "what"? ascribe victories to themselves! Well, how, there "Moscow in the Second World War withstood because the icon was taken by plane along the front line!" And in Stalingrad they won, too, thanks to the sacred water, and all this hypocrisy began long before WW2.
        1. Stealth75
          Stealth75 29 December 2019 09: 34
          -3
          And such as the "extended board of the Moscow Defense Ministry" - no, have not you heard ?;)
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 29 December 2019 09: 34
          +7
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          and all this hypocrisy began long before WW2.

          no, I understand that there are priests who went to the attacks, and those who used to be military soldiers / officers who went to the "monastery", but those who are sitting are definitely not the former - typical "mommy's kids", unlike these .. ...


          1. 30143
            30143 29 December 2019 09: 56
            -9
            And what kind of mummers are these?
            They have awards, like decorations on a Christmas tree. Really nobody advised them how to wear them?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 29 December 2019 10: 51
              +6
              Quote: 30143
              And what kind of mummers are these?

              for such screams you would have been made dark in the army - right up to the flying ... especially in the third photo in the first to the left of the cross.
              1. 30143
                30143 29 December 2019 10: 53
                -7
                Do not poke. I saw ... and finished! But when you bring the machine, it’s so white.
              2. Nehist
                Nehist 29 December 2019 14: 17
                -6
                According to the photo, the two lower ones are clearly mummers, orders and medals are not correctly located. There are certain rules for wearing rewards. And if everything is in order in the first photo, then the bottom two are in doubt
        3. Edik
          Edik 29 December 2019 09: 36
          -13
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          WW2

          As I understand it, you are hinting that you are a patriot!
          And as for the clergy, you wouldn’t get into something that you don’t understand and don’t believe! Life presses and puts an end to everything, and this will happen in your life, be sure! And then run to the temple, and then you will go quietly to the temple. Since without this your life will be empty!
          Don’t give a damn to the soul of millions! Destroying Orthodoxy in Russia is one of the priority tasks of these nonhumans. So you sing with them in unison.
          1. 30143
            30143 29 December 2019 10: 13
            +11
            Here the words of Filipov from K.F. "Bunny" - Love yourself in art, not art in yourself. They tried to object to him that Stanislavsky spoke the other way around ... He replied that what's the difference.
            The soul is empty, if not a shisha.
            No need to engage in religious education here. To believe or not to believe is so personal. And we are falling into obscurantism.
            But essentially the article is already passed during the collapse of the USSR. I remember the political leaders often forbade uncomfortable asking questions, and even more so answering them. So the guys began to ask during the checks ... One was removed, then the second ... for poor work.
            We have to admit that this is the beginning of the end. The system will eat itself.
            Society is tired of the same people, to put it mildly. For 20-30 years tired. Another question, to whom to change? So will come to replace, whether we want or not want, managery-half-educated, who will only tear grandmother.
            But how to prepare for this, how to oppose them and what is the most important strategic issue. The GDP and its environment did nothing for this. Their task is to transfer power by inheritance to their children. And the inheritance of the remaining patriots is servility and reverence. Moreover, the blind. Otherwise, you are not a patriot! Even if the stomach is empty.
            1. Edik
              Edik 29 December 2019 10: 26
              -10
              Quote: 30143
              Society is tired of the same people, to put it mildly. For 20-30 years tired.

              Don't worry about society, it has made its choice in the elections and will do it again! Your "society" in percentage terms is about 30%! And 76,69% voted for Putin.
              No need to broadcast for the whole society!
              Quote: 30143
              The GDP and its environment did nothing for this. Their task is to transfer power by inheritance to their children. And the inheritance of the remaining patriots is servility and reverence. Moreover, the blind. Otherwise, you are not a patriot!

              Yeah, each dog can create its own channel on YouTube and from morning to evening water power from head to toe!

              Quote: 30143
              Even if the stomach is empty.

              All the same, you have to go to work! And if you still have to work with your head, then enough for bread and caviar!
              1. 30143
                30143 29 December 2019 10: 30
                +1
                Edik, sorry for asking, how old are you? Well, that's +/- 5.
                I wonder what period do you have hardening?
                And don’t watch the channels on YouTube ... Better jokes from Flucy.
                1. Edik
                  Edik 29 December 2019 10: 34
                  +1
                  I’m born in 1976. And I don’t watch politics on YouTube .. Because there they mostly lie like gray geldings.
                  1. 30143
                    30143 29 December 2019 11: 08
                    +4
                    Here, I remember Brezhnev’s funeral and how people cried. I was in 8th grade.
                    Ten years ago, I reasoned, like you. And I did not understand that at 40 and at 50 life was just beginning. Now I understand that at 60. Oh, probably at 63 or 65, and maybe at 67. It all depends on the pension, their mother’s leg.
                    All life in conditions of uncertainty. Depends on what comes to one person’s head ... At VO they already discussed why pensions were previously given like that. And now I also began to understand.
                    I had a case when one 77 year old chuckled at an 80 year old one that he could not do that. I was forced to step in and say that we will see when you will be so old.
                    Three years later, when he remembered, he denied.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 29 December 2019 11: 26
                      0
                      Quote: 30143
                      Here, I remember Brezhnev’s funeral and how people cried

                      Let it be to you, to compose, just the same, and cried. So, after all, it will be possible to agree on the worn boots of Leonid Ilyich
                      1. 30143
                        30143 29 December 2019 11: 44
                        +2
                        Will be. The teachers were crying. Maybe window dressing? Indeed, according to Stalin, too, they cried. Or not?
                        I remember that one man threw the phrase ... Like, now such a carousel will spin.
                        As in the water looked.
                        Dear Beaver! When we taught the history of the CPSU and Marxism Leninism (forgot how to spell it correctly), there was one law that everything develops in a spiral, but only at a new round ... Surnames are different and names. At my leisure, I opened the table of contents on the History of Diplomacy of the USSR, Volume Two. If you do not become attached to the years, surnames and names of places, then ... you will believe in the relocation of souls.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 29 December 2019 16: 06
                        +9
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Let it be for you to compose, just the same, and cried.

                        I confirm - they cried and there was a fear of war
                      3. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 30 December 2019 12: 45
                        +1
                        In my village, grandmothers cried when they reported the death of Brezhnev. And most people had a depressed state.
                    2. NordUral
                      NordUral 30 December 2019 12: 17
                      -2
                      People cried only when Stalin was buried. After only silently waiting for the next elder.
                  2. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 29 December 2019 14: 01
                    +5
                    Quote: Edik
                    I’m born in 1976. And I don’t watch politics on YouTube .. Because there they mostly lie like gray geldings.

                    That's right, watch federal channels, there is only one truth and nothing but the truth. Just recall the videos where the grateful retirees almost kiss the officials in gratitude for raising their retirement age.

                    PS And everything on TV is so dignified, noble and truthful.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 29 December 2019 16: 10
                      +8
                      Quote: Leshy1975
                      Right, watch federal channels

                      especially these ...
                      laughing
                  3. New Year day
                    New Year day 29 December 2019 16: 08
                    +7
                    Quote: Edik
                    I was born in 1976.

                    I was right - you are still a young boy. I'm from the 59th, if that. Work experience 39 years
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 29 December 2019 19: 17
                      -3
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      I was right - you are still a young boy. I'm from the 59th, if that. Work experience 39 years

                      And what does this prove? Yes, not what! It’s a pity, of course, that you fell into childhood at such an early age. But for me it doesn’t change anything! Mastod you, throw Ukrainian propaganda under American sauce! It’s a pity that you don’t have information in your head settles. A hard case, so to speak.
                      1. NordUral
                        NordUral 30 December 2019 12: 20
                        +1
                        The hard case is exactly with you, Edik. By years - the age of maturity, and in fact - babble.
                    2. 30143
                      30143 29 December 2019 21: 46
                      -2
                      Dear Sylvester! I always adhere to the words of W. CHURCHIL, who said that one should always stick to the youth, because a minister can emerge from them as an example, but we have already seen what the elderly have achieved. So it was written in Chukovsky's "Victory".
                      Therefore, please do not offend those who are younger. They or we need to explain everything, and patiently. Otherwise, they, as more pragmatic in comparison with us, can send far ... far.
                      I myself try to be guided by this in work. It happens, I want to give a neck, and then you remember and ... affection ... And then suddenly, like Vladimir Zelensky? And where do we old men go?
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 29 December 2019 17: 25
              -2
              But how to prepare for this, how to oppose them and what is the most important strategic issue. GDP and its environment did nothing for this

              Society is always held hostage by its power. But where this power leads up or down ... but in any case, you have to go along with it.
              Elites in all countries are immoral and driven by greed, but in some cases, greed leads to the development and wealth of the country (England engaged in trade, slave trade, robbery), and in other cases greed leads to the ruin of their country. And this seems to be our case. Russia befell
              resource curse.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 30 December 2019 12: 23
                +1
                Russia suffered a resource curse.

                Not resource, but social. Everything else - only follows the change in the social system.
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 30 December 2019 18: 29
                  0
                  Everything is simpler: Yeltsin began, and Putin continued to build an unjust state. There are many examples of more equitable states, for example, Norway.
                  They, like us, receive a large part of the budget from the sale of hydrocarbons. But the proceeds from the sale go to pensions, scholarships, etc. And "effective managers" receive several times (3-5 times) more than the average earnings in Norway ...
                  For comparison, in Russia the average earnings are about 40 thousand rubles. , and salary, for example, Sechin - more than 6 million rubles., Miller - more than 4 million ... And so on.
                  In Norway, at times, and we have hundreds of times.
                  Maybe this is because the deputies there receive one and a half times (!!!) more than the average salary in the country ... And in the Russian Federation, the deputy receives more than nine times the average salary. (And do not forget that we also have "privileges" for the people's representatives (ie free of charge, at the expense of the treasury) ... we pay them for personal transport, travel, housing, medical care, etc.).
          2. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 29 December 2019 18: 21
            +6
            Quote: Edik
            And as for the clergy, would you not go into something that you do not understand and do not believe!

            Actually, you don’t know anything about me, and your cliches are pretty beaten up, for example I’m a deep believer, only what I believe in is faith, but it’s not a religion. And I relate to someone else’s faith specifically, as one author said on the Internet
            Quote: "YouTube commentator (forgot nickname)"
            "Faith is like a member, it's good if you have it long, great if you have it fat, awesome if you have it 24/7, but * mate * don't go and shake your member in front of me and my children!"
            .

            Quote: Edik
            To destroy Orthodoxy in Russia is one of the priority tasks of these nonhumans.

            Orthodoxy in Russia was destroyed not by "enemies of the people", but by Orthodoxy itself, for it was a political force opposing the people's government (the so-called reformers) and for the tsar (for monarchists and preferences from them). That actually ultimately led to the beginning of actions against religion on the part of the people's councils of democratic, liberal, communist and other persuasions. It was after the democrats and liberals united with the clergy to fight against the most powerful communist party at that time. Ultimately, because of all this hypocrisy, Orthodoxy as a single structure collapsed.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 30 December 2019 18: 32
              -1
              Is it really not clear to anyone that the goal of the clergy is to help the authorities keep the people in check.
          3. Doliva63
            Doliva63 29 December 2019 19: 29
            +2
            Quote: Edik
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            WW2

            As I understand it, you are hinting that you are a patriot!
            And as for the clergy, you wouldn’t get into something that you don’t understand and don’t believe! Life presses and puts an end to everything, and this will happen in your life, be sure! And then run to the temple, and then you will go quietly to the temple. Since without this your life will be empty!
            Don’t give a damn to the soul of millions! Destroying Orthodoxy in Russia is one of the priority tasks of these nonhumans. So you sing with them in unison.

            The native religion in Russia was paganism, don't you know? And Christianity was implanted very cruelly. Read the story. And then we'll "sing", if that.
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      3. sniperino
        sniperino 29 December 2019 12: 56
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        okay warriors, okay Sveta (Khorkina (fourth from the right)), but what the holy fathers do there is not clear to me.
        "Holy Fathers" in Orthodoxy are called saints who lived earlier and canonized, whose authority influenced the formation of dogma, the compilation of the canon, hierarchical organization and worship, but not acting priests. Do you know that since 2009 the institute of military clergy is being recreated in our country? What excited you today about something that is incomprehensible, about which you know very little and were not previously interested? The photographer, NMV, deliberately took two Orthodox priests to the fore in order to give a reason for your and similar cries about "the dominance of priests in the army", which are also aimed at undermining confidence in our Armed Forces.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 29 December 2019 17: 40
          +4
          since 2009 the institute of military clergy has been recreated?

          Apparently if there is no aircraft carrier you have to build temples.
          The problem here is that faith is poorly compatible with knowledge and technology, but technology still wins in modern warfare. So strengthening the church can go sideways.
          And the rituals of blessing rockets ... what is it? Back to the Middle Ages?
          I am not against religion, it is everyone’s personal choice. But as if with missiles, there is overkill, we are not moving there.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 29 December 2019 17: 55
            -4
            Quote: nickname7
            faith is poorly compatible with knowledge and technology
            In what place are they poorly compatible? For most people, there is no problem distinguishing between what they believe in and what they know and can do. The exception is militant atheists: they consider their faith to be knowledge, and any other faith - slowness or maliciousness. These militants, like the Nazis, should not be in the army and spirit, for this is the spirit of contention.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 30 December 2019 18: 34
              -2
              Do you really believe in god? Or into something else?
      4. Octopus
        Octopus 29 December 2019 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        what the holy fathers do there, I don’t understand

        Have you never played WOW, just tanks? The priest is the main healer and serious demager.
      5. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 30 December 2019 08: 59
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        that's what the holy fathers do there, I don’t understand.

        As you know, our church in the RF RF is separated from the state.
        The conclusion from the photo can be one of two things: either the RF Ministry of Defense has already been quietly privatized and it is already someone's private property, or someone has once again “put” it on the Constitution, as in the case of the pension robbery. lol
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 December 2019 10: 11
      -3
      Quote: g_ae
      Such exhausted physical service .. (PARDON) inspired persons.

      Inspired Clerics at such a meeting are simply necessary.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 29 December 2019 05: 39
    +7
    I remember one journalist from Military Review who criticized the actions of the Ministry of Defense too much, was simply excluded from participation in any events held by the Ministry


    Roman, tell us more about this story ... I really want to know the names and surnames of people from the Ministry of Defense who visited a journalist.
  4. Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman 29 December 2019 05: 53
    -11
    It seems that Skomorokhov, towards this Tsalikov, has some personal feelings.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2019 05: 56
      0
      It seems that Skomorokhov, towards this Tsalikov, has some personal feelings.

      Or maybe Tsalikov has some personal complaints against Skomorokhov what ... how confusing it is.
      1. Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman 29 December 2019 06: 00
        -8
        This, if Tsalikov at least knows, about some Skomorokhov ..
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 29 December 2019 06: 01
          +5
          This, if Tsalikov at least knows, about some Skomorokhov ..

          He finds out ... if Skomorokhov bites his ass in some article ... there should be no untouchables in our country.
          1. Fourth Horseman
            Fourth Horseman 29 December 2019 06: 07
            -11
            Very interesting, but for what place did Skomorokhov be bitten for?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 29 December 2019 06: 09
              +5
              a journalist from Military Review, who was too critical of the actions of the Ministry of Defense, was simply suspended from participating in any events

              Maybe for that what ... the authorities it is ... wanted and kicked ... so that it was silent.
              1. Fourth Horseman
                Fourth Horseman 29 December 2019 06: 13
                -7
                Oh yes!
                # It's a shame for the power! (with)
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 29 December 2019 06: 14
                  +3
                  smile Power will survive it.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 December 2019 09: 41
      +12
      Quote: The Fourth Horseman
      It seems that Skomorokhov, towards this Tsalikov, has some personal feelings.

      And who is Tsalikov, did he even serve in the army ??? Well, at least one day ??? NO! Plekhanov economist (manager, as Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov said) in one word and that’s it ...
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  5. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 06: 17
    -1
    The army is a closed organization. The Soviet Army had its own military journalists, who were taught what could and should not be covered. They had their own departmental publications, the divisions had their own newspapers. At stake is the "uncensored" life of people. No, not generals - ordinary soldiers and officers who perform tasks on the battlefield. Remember Gorbachev's glasnost, when they allowed the army to "command" the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers (later it turned out that it was sponsored by the Americans) and their role in the "hot spots" of the late 80s and early 90s. Remember the first Chechen war, when journalists "fought" against the federals. Remember 2008, when journalists were broadcasting live during the march of army columns across South Ossetia and from military aviation airfields ... Censorship in the army is needed, but departmental information resources are also needed inside.
    Today, anyone, having read about the army, can express their opinion about the army, and mostly critically negative (which we observe at VO, especially in the comments). But most of the commentators, and many authors in the army, did not serve and have no idea what army service is.
    Today's "military journalism" is as follows: the main thing is to get more "plus signs", but it doesn't matter that because of these "plus signs" someone will die !!! Plus signs do not smell of blood and do not leave blood on your hands ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2019 06: 25
      +10
      Today, anyone having read about the army can express their opinion about the army

      What's bad about it?
      Maybe you shouldn’t speak out about Serdyukov or Grachev ... maybe even keep quiet in a rag when in the army some kind of offended abnormal shoots up eight colleagues ... do you really want to put the army out of criticism? ... you won’t go so far.
      If you do not notice the negative trends in the army, it will begin to decompose from the inside ... how many times has it been in our history.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 06: 41
        +5
        If you do not notice the negative trends in the army, it will begin to decompose from the inside ... how many times has it been in our history.

        Can you determine which of the tendencies in the army is negative and which is “negative” if you have not served in the army and do not know the army from the inside? is the first thing.
        Second - give examples from the Soviet past and the present when the army was "decaying" from the inside ... I have always believed (and experienced the hard way) that the army is being ruined by politicians!
        By the way - Grachev was appointed by President Yeltsin, and Serdyukov - by the Putin-Medvedev tandem. And it is to blame - "Vanka platoon" ???? So who should you criticize? But they criticize the grayevs-Serdyukovs, and throw mud at the "platoon commander" - DO YOU CATCH THE DIFFERENCE?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 29 December 2019 06: 48
          +9
          I don’t catch ... I never criticized soldiers and officers honestly doing my duty and I never mix the army with scoundrels and scoundrels ... it’s all about the case ... if General Grachev blurted out that Grozny could take two regiments, then he should be responsible for his words and deeds ... if Serdyukov's subordinates steal, then he must answer for this and not cover them ... and then.
          Further ... what is your manner of dividing people into those who served and did not serve, and in this division to classify those who did not serve as second-class people ... this is not right and not good.
          There is no difference for me that a man served in the army or did not serve ... the main thing is that he is not a scoundrel and a bastard ... who are in the army ... with respect hi .
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 07: 03
            +1
            Alexei. I do not divide people into varieties, neither the first, nor the second, nor subsequent ones (I wonder where you saw this?). I’m not writing about the working procedure of the hospital’s medical staff, because I don’t know this topic from the inside, but I’m writing about army topics - since I served in the army for 17 years (from 1977 to 1995) and now I often interact with security officials (as a veteran of the database is invited in treble). It’s just that modern journalists don’t understand that military-political and military topics are two
            completely different directions ... and mix them into a common cauldron of criticism (though apart from criticism there is also something to be praised for and something to be proud of). The peculiarity of propaganda (or one of the propaganda tricks) is when you criticize politicians (and since Yeltsin we have the post of Minister of Defense - a political post), but in the mud ....
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 29 December 2019 07: 19
              +4
              this is when you criticize politicians (and since Yeltsin we have the post of Minister of Defense - a political post), and in the mud the military ...

              I agree ... I fully felt this in the 1st Chechen campaign ... when many journalists poured shit on our soldiers and officers ... it was very disappointing for our Army ... it was insulting that I could not do anything to protect them.
              Now at least there is an opportunity in the internet to fight for them ... that I try and do to the best of my ability. hi
              I can be wrong in the little things somewhere ... then correct me ... I will not be offended. smile
            2. 30143
              30143 29 December 2019 11: 16
              +2
              Unfortunately, there is no GlavPU. But this is the Soviet legacy. And we have no other ideology than to get dibs and take them offshore.
              1. matross
                matross 29 December 2019 18: 36
                -1
                Quote: 30143
                Unfortunately, there is no GlavPU. But this is the Soviet legacy. And we have no other ideology than to get dibs and take them offshore.

                You're wrong. GVPU is. Created in 2018.
                So ... the draft is not counted
            3. sniperino
              sniperino 30 December 2019 09: 10
              -1
              Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
              I’m not writing about the working procedure of the hospital’s medical staff, since I don’t know this topic from the inside
              If someone enters the hospital as a patient, he already personally knows the situation from the inside. After lying for 2-3 weeks in different hospitals, patients are quite capable of doing a shallow comparative analysis on this topic. We all experience changes in the current policy in our own ways, so we can notice some of its aspects faster and more accurately than current politicians, and not even see some. But if a person did not serve in the army, then all his ideas about it are based on external sources, the quality of which is always in question.
          2. GenNick
            GenNick 29 December 2019 08: 19
            -1
            Very big difference!!!
            A serviceman will never break his foot with a bolt from AKM ...
            This is just an example.
            1. 30143
              30143 29 December 2019 11: 19
              +1
              Seen and not that. And the weapon was discharged in his leg. And these were the officers. He himself was a witness. He stood by the day near the duty room in part.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 29 December 2019 19: 42
              0
              Quote: GenNick
              Very big difference!!!
              A serviceman will never break his foot with a bolt from AKM ...
              This is just an example.

              Well, punch your foot with a bolt ... Hmm. I can’t imagine. It was, I had a senior reconnaissance officer, accustomed to AKMS, shot himself in the arm when there was AKS74U instead. He stumbled, wanted to grab the barrel, while involuntarily pressed what was horrible: instead of the barrel, there was a void and a bullet in his hands. But to shutter? Hm.
        2. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 30 December 2019 07: 23
          0
          Can you determine which of the tendencies in the army is negative and which is "negative" if you have not served in the army and do not know the army from the inside?

          Well, you love to speak about politics, while you hardly have the appropriate education. Or maybe you participated in the electoral process at least as an observer at the PEC? Or maybe they worked as an agitator "in the field"? Most likely no. But for some reason this does not prevent you from expressing your opinion on this or that event. And how is the army different from politics? The Romans generally did not separate these two hypostases, and in some ways they were right. Indeed, in essence, both are sections of society, albeit acting slightly according to different principles, but according to the same laws and trends with society. So be careful with such statements, otherwise censorship on the principle of "shop affiliation" can be extended to other aspects of life: housing and communal services, services, trade, etc. etc. And on the way out, you will get a situation when for your money you will receive something far from your expectations, but there will be nothing to object, because you are not a plumber, electrician, pastry chef, doctor, teacher and generally interfere with the creation of free artists who see the world like this, and not otherwise.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 30 December 2019 23: 07
            +1
            Dear Cyril. The first one. I have 2 higher educations. Novosibirsk Higher Military-Political School and Belarusian State University (Sociology). Work experience in state and municipal institutions (information and analytical) + teaching as a senior lecturer of the department of state and municipality of management (in 1995 he personally developed a course on this subject) + teaching in courses for raising the heads of municipalities of the Stavropol Territory. As for the elections: in 1990 (at the peak of Perestroika) there were candidates for the Supreme Council of the BSSR. Not only participated in the elections, but also created his own ANKO to work in the elections. But I didn’t work as an election campaigner - here you are right (not my level) I started participating as a sociologist, then I started as a headquarters, then as a project manager, then I searched and received an order to participate in an elected company. Where did you work? Stavropol Territory, Ukraine, Buryatia, Novosibirsk Region, Astrakhan Region, Karachay-Cherkessia (teams from our Center worked in Smolensk, Kalmykia). So you are wrong in saying that I do not understand politics. As for the army ... read above !!!! But your level bothers me - to judge a person without knowing him, to put it mildly, is not solid !!!!
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 31 December 2019 02: 22
              +4
              But your level bothers me

              Do not be embarrassed that you are right as a red girl ... All the more, I did not judge about you, but made an assumption, which, fortunately, and perhaps unfortunately, did not come true. However, I am not ashamed to admit that in your case I was wrong. Only here we have a few of such "multi-stationers". Nevertheless, it is only strange that having such a "baggage" behind your back, you so zealously defend the principles of dividing people into categories: who can talk about this or that topic, and who cannot. It smells like a caste system, don't you think? Or does it suit you?

              It is gratifying, of course, that you have both experience and education, but what do you order the rest of 99% who, unlike me or you, do not have? Wipe yourself with the spitting of those in power and silently observe from the sidelines? Do not deceive yourself or others: speaking about censorship in one area, you support this very scenario, since the initiative, which is so "convenient" for the bureaucratic apparatus, will obviously not be limited only to the military department. Only now I do not think that hushing up the problems, limiting ourselves to a monologue, instead of constructively discussing existing issues, is right. The cook cannot run the state - you say. And I will answer that it can, because every day it solves many local problems, which, moreover, are superimposed on each other, which is often not able to do the current members of the cabinet of ministers, who are displaced from one chair to another and nevertheless they continue to work, with this even without knowing the specifics of the portfolio entrusted to them. This is explained by the fact that a person endowed with specific (I would even put it "sacred") knowledge in the field of management is capable of heading any organization with equal efficiency, from the House of Culture in the N-th district of the Penza region to the Ministry of Atomic Industry. And these are not my words, but the saying of Mr. Kudrin. So, what kind of censorship can we talk about when anyone, I emphasize - anyone who is more or less able to work in multitasking conditions (according to the current government) is already an example of a successful manager-organizer? Or the biography of Shoigu, Golikova, Mutko and even the guarantor himself, for you just an exception to the rule? In other matters, it seems to me that this principle works only for "their own", already attached to the burden of great power. It's a shame.
      2. Avior
        Avior 29 December 2019 09: 52
        +1
        some kind of offended abnormal

        Are you aware that he and others from the unit have already been recognized as victims of bullying?
    2. Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman 29 December 2019 06: 33
      -2
      Unfortunately, many are embarrassed to comprehend this.
      Here, the trend is more for the army to grow strawberries, and distribute it to pensioners.
      This is the policy of the party.
      1. Edik
        Edik 29 December 2019 06: 37
        -1
        Quote: The Fourth Horseman
        Here, the trend is more for the army to grow strawberries, and distribute it to pensioners.

        THERE WAS TIME ... (BABY)
        Stargazer Foxtail

        There was a time, we fell in love
        And rejoiced in the singing of birds
        They were touched by the spring sunsets,
        Smiles never left their faces.

        And then everything changed dramatically,
        Fright overcame us.
        Where, where did it all go
        Where did it suddenly disappear?

        Probably it happens to everyone,
        I'm not the only one -
        Does not heal time, kills
        Naivety and love.

        2014

        https://poembook.ru/poem/216684
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 29 December 2019 06: 41
        +5
        It is a pity that the party is even more defective than the late CPSU, despite the fact that it is also a bossy-oligarchic.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 29 December 2019 07: 02
          -8
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          It is a pity that the party is even more defective than the late CPSU, despite the fact that it is also a bossy-oligarchic.

          You create your own party. Without damage. We will discuss. Objectivity is guaranteed.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 29 December 2019 07: 06
            -1
            For starters, you demonstrate yours, suddenly it will suit me.
            1. Andrey Chistyakov
              Andrey Chistyakov 29 December 2019 07: 07
              -2
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              For starters, you demonstrate yours, suddenly it will suit me.

              So you are not happy with the parties. Do not move out, as usual ...
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 29 December 2019 07: 49
                +4
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                So you are not happy with the parties

                The party, the party of the current government. Do not run over to him, do not run over to start with demagogic claims. Apparently about taxes and offshore there is no way to justify the top of the "Edra", so you throw demagoguery.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 30 December 2019 09: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                  So you are not happy with the parties

                  The party, the party of the current government. Do not run over to him, do not run over to start with demagogic claims. Apparently about taxes and offshore there is no way to justify the top of the "Edra", so you throw demagoguery.
                  Medvedev, Gryzlov, Shoigu ... Are they the "current government"? Some of them, without receiving specific charges, need your (or someone else's) justification? Something you wander in the corridors of power, like in the darkness, nmv. Why did you get there ...
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 29 December 2019 06: 45
      +6
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Army is a closed organization
      Only now conscripts from the army are not returning to Mars, that is contract soldiers. Where are they coming back to? Yes, in the cities and villages, to relatives, friends, acquaintances. So the relationship and mood in the army is not a secret for the people. The non-disclosure subscription does not apply to the entire army life, as if the authorities did not want to.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 07: 30
        -1
        If you, Vladimir, are talking about military secrets, then ... In 1981-82 I served in Kushka (the southernmost point of the USSR) and in our motorized rifle company there were 11 infantry fighting vehicles in the state - the states of the divisions themselves were never a secret, but that that of these 11 infantry fighting vehicles, only 9 could participate in hostilities (one IFV was training, the second was combat training and were "broken down to the fullest", since both mech-water and gunner operators were constantly trained on these machines) - it was "little military secret", as well as the fact that only in our company "combat" infantry fighting vehicles, being in the park, were equipped with 4 BC, and not two, like all other companies, because in case of hostilities the company performed a different task from other companies ... But this secret is interesting for intelligence, and not for relatives and acquaintances of soldiers demobilized from the army. This is what, above all, is the closeness of the army.
        As for hazing of those times - in each unit it was different (our company had 90% percent of one call) and was manifested differently.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 29 December 2019 07: 53
          +3
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          But this secret is interesting for intelligence, and not for relatives and friends of soldiers who were demobilized from the army. That’s what the army’s closeness is all about.
          So the author of the article does not write about military secrets, as the reason for the closeness of the army, but about closeness as a way to evade the responsibility of various "figures" in uniform, rather big shoulder straps. With all due respect to your military background.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 08: 15
            +3
            Vladimir. The author is a little "cunning" ... Can you imagine the level of official duties of this general? There is nothing more to talk about except how to protect the general's honor from "enemy propaganda"? The general simply pointed out the direction of propaganda that the foreign "partner" uses for the purpose of moral and psychological degradation of the rank and file and junior commanders. This is a very serious question. In our today's life there is an example of a negative attitude towards officials, and this is distrust of the current government on the part of the population. But this is civilian power ... And imagine if such a "general distrust" to your commanders is created in the army. What are the consequences? No one is against the cleansing of any state structure from "thieves", but the army, due to the specifics of the tasks performed, should not "defame", it should not be allowed that, thanks to fakes, the subordinates' opinion was created that their commanders quite often came to the army so that " to fill their pockets with money "at the expense of subordinates.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 2 January 2020 10: 41
              -1
              Well .. and then they say that these "MO employees" are not perceived by generals .. I mean Tsalikov, whom you called a general ... When I served, I did not feel trust or distrust in the division commander .. I don’t know him and don’t I see in the service .. the regiment commander is, yes, trust is important here ... but for some reason muddy stories usually start from the level of generals .. and they have nothing to do with the state secret ..
        2. GenNick
          GenNick 29 December 2019 08: 22
          -2
          And this is my dog ​​Murghab
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      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 22
        0
        And now he serves as the "Minister of Defense of Russia"
    5. 30143
      30143 29 December 2019 10: 17
      +6
      I can’t understand why you are being minus? Really hurts your eyes?
      1. Edik
        Edik 29 December 2019 10: 56
        -1
        Quote: 30143
        I can’t understand why you are being minus? Really hurts your eyes?

        Strange, is not it?
  6. beeper
    beeper 29 December 2019 06: 54
    +2
    In principle, I agree with the point of view of the distinguished Author of the Article. Although at first I was really seriously alarmed after reading the "mobilization" headline and knowing well the vile Russophobic-anti-Russian character of the overseas "partners" with their "common European" hangers-on ... winked
    But, after all, the "couch troop volunteers" seasoned in information battles are no strangers to the "censorship habits" of those in power, the propaganda ... intrigues of the enemy netbots - "Goebbelsuch" and personal threats from evil "trolls" ?! wink
    Well, so, I see that in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the bureaucratic principle has remained the same, well known from the Soviet Army: "Keep quiet, I ask you!", "Dig a trench from here until evening!", .... in general, "who served in the army, he is not laughing in the circus." smile

    However, I am comforted by the fact that all truly combat and intelligent soldiers (soldiers and officers) whom I had the honor to know personally or to hear about them, a priori did not fit into the bureaucratic "parquet standards" of the peacetime Ministry of Defense and in all their glory "manifested" precisely in a combat situation, creatively breaking patterns and imposing on the enemy his victorious "battle course"!
    I hope that in the future the Russian Land will not be impoverished by military talents and God will not leave the Russian World at the next turning point of the epoch - it will grant us the Victory over the surrounded by malicious adversaries!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 December 2019 07: 05
      -2
      I hope that in the future the Russian Land will not be impoverished by military talents and God will not leave the Russian World at the next turning point of the epoch - it will grant us the Victory over the surrounded by malicious adversaries!


      It will not be impoverished ... Minin and Pozharsky to us as an example .... I agree with you completely. smile
  7. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2019 07: 15
    -2
    Therefore, all cases of the death of military personnel are of military service, that of contract servicemen - this is exclusively an oversight of military medical commissions that made inadequate service.
    Oh oh And what do we have for the army is a different people?
    Because everything is great in our army.
    Apparently they are taking as an example the work of the press service of Roscosmos ... But unlike Roscosmos, the army has something to show in a positive way. So what chances they have
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 December 2019 07: 38
    +3
    It seems that for someone in our Moscow Region, personal interests are much more important than the interests of the army and the state, therefore, under the sauce of foreign intervention in the life of the army, locks on unwanted mouths are hung.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 29 December 2019 07: 42
    0
    First Deputy Minister of Defense Ruslan Tsalikov through the subordinate newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda reported that foreign states are preparing an information campaign to discredit the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces.
    .... Throw to the Commander-in-Chief a fake that the Russian Armed Forces are preparing a conspiracy? laughing Like the Germans who scraped together material against Tukhachevsky and the rest and handed over to Stalin? laughing
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 29 December 2019 07: 48
    +2
    There will still be some balance, bad - good, truth - not truth!
    But in whose direction they will lean, it depends not on the scribbles, but on those about whom they write!
    It has always been / is! All rubbish sticks when there is something to stick to.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 29 December 2019 08: 42
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      It depends not on the scribbles, but on those about whom they write!

      Little insects are workers of ideological power. It is they who shape our worldview, and from those about whom they write, exposing their inappropriate actions, the prosecutor's office should be engaged. At midnight, a black funnel rolls up and a quiet knock on the door ...

      But the little writers, not applying to the authorities (courts, prosecutors) for inconsistencies, are only pumping the crowd with negative energy, which others must use to organize the next riots.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 December 2019 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: nikvic46
        Little insects are workers of ideological power.

        Pisarchyuki, their own, come from different groups that can pay for their services.
        There is a scanty part, in and of themselves, which nobody needs.
        There are unique cases.
        Quote: Boris55
        But the little writers, not applying to the authorities (courts, prosecutors) for the obsceneities that are happening, only pump up the crowd

        But this has long been obvious! It will not pass by itself, but our society is the same multi-layer, in short, for all "free ears" there is.
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 December 2019 07: 54
    +3
    People listen to science. Recently, a University of California called the New Year's celebration a horror. What scared "science"? Maybe a lack of politics these days? Or crowds of people? Politics is now marching along with the struggle for natural resources. And the arrows are shifting to something completely different. This is a world practice in solving problems. I can imagine how a few social services are smiling into a fist. countries. Otherwise, they are acting according to the guidelines of the Soviet Union, I do not agree with the author. The people were not particularly bothered about the crises, although there were some.
  12. Boris55
    Boris55 29 December 2019 08: 22
    -2
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Excuse me, but through whom will these information attacks be carried out?

    Strange to hear this question from you. Do you periodically post your opus about the insignificance of our army? This is what happens through you and others like you.

    If we lose in the information war, then the hope that we will win in the hot is illusory. Below are the priorities for managing humanity. Pay attention to the information management blog (from 1st to 5th). It is in these areas today that there is a war between us and the West.



    More on the priorities of humanity management: https://mediamera.ru/post/24683
    1. karabass
      karabass 29 December 2019 18: 54
      +1
      Yes, that is right! The USSR collapsed only because people did not want to defend it, not already believing in communist ideology. And then the elite played the first fiddle in the collapse of their country, and in the future it was well patched by appropriating state property. Now, on the contrary, the elite will protect their property stolen from the people. Therefore, the generals are worried in vain - without strong external influence (for example, World War I for the Republic of Ingushetia) there will be no collapse / no matter how much the generals steal. They (the modern elite) - worry about something else - so that the current lieutenants and future generals would not overcome their stolen goods from their descendants. That's all, if you exaggerate
  13. Den717
    Den717 29 December 2019 08: 48
    -3
    Through whom will the inform attack be carried out? Yes, through those journalists who put at the center of their work not a thoughtful desire for objectivity, but empty criticism. For example, the author does not give facts, but only thinks, assumes, suspects, and, interestingly, only the most negative. Like, if the general suggested, then it is imperative to hide his oversights, self-interest, thirst for personal gain. This begs the answer to the question. Through you they will attack us. Do not eradicate existing shortcomings, but sow in the minds of readers the conviction that these shortcomings are ineradicable with this manual. Who does not agree - refute. Only real facts, investigation materials.
    1. karabass
      karabass 29 December 2019 19: 00
      0
      But why refute this? This is the truth! You can’t refute it!
      for example: now it’s dark night, and in the morning there will be a dawn - how can this be refuted?
      Perhaps the thing is different - maybe the younger composition in our army has ceased to believe the older?
      this is already getting a little scary
  14. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 29 December 2019 08: 50
    -4
    After reading the first three lines I realized ... I’ll be a reptile But this ...--- Skomorokhov! Wow !!!!
  15. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 29 December 2019 09: 21
    -1
    Everything will be fine. And for starters ...
    https://youtu.be/LxHdzGDazXg
  16. New Year day
    New Year day 29 December 2019 09: 26
    +11
    Total censorship and “hooray reports” are aimed at concealing bad deeds in the army, from the theft of generals to “suicides” as in Transbaikalia. The problems hidden inland are not solved and all one will come out. I am afraid that the sprightly reports of Shoigu and his generals are no longer consistent with the re-opening realities of today. No dirt will stick to an honest person
    1. Edik
      Edik 29 December 2019 10: 13
      -10
      Quote: Silvestr
      Total censorship and “hooray reports” are aimed at concealing bad deeds in the army, from the theft of generals to “suicides” as in Transbaikalia.

      They don’t hide anything from you for a long time and each gopher is given the opportunity to lay out its alternative vision of the situation from its bell tower.
      Quote: Silvestr
      I am afraid that the sprightly reports of Shoigu and his generals are no longer consistent with the re-opening realities of today.

      Don’t be afraid that you won’t understand without you! After all, you somehow managed without you and Russia made the world multipolar again and finally defends its interests in the world!
      Quote: Silvestr
      No dirt will stick to an honest person

      Do you pretend to be honest? You’re like water off a duck.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 30
      0
      And people like you are primarily aimed at inflating an elephant out of a fly and giving small and medium-sized problems in the army in the economy and in everything else, only a national apocalyptic disaster. And everyone knows about problems without you.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 29 December 2019 15: 58
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        And everyone knows about problems without you.

        who knows what is not important. The end result is important.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2019 20: 07
          -1
          From your activity, there are indications of problems in: economics, politics, social programs, medicine, and there has not been and will not be any result.
    3. Den717
      Den717 29 December 2019 21: 55
      0
      Have you read at least one report on this subject? You simply carry the blizzard on the basis of general depression. In general, constant criticism on all topics suggests more that you are not interested in personal communication, and you simply assert yourself with this negative. Talk with colleagues from psychiatry, maybe that some practical prompt
  17. Eug
    Eug 29 December 2019 09: 30
    +3
    It seems that very soon we will read new critical materials about the activities of the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry. Will they be fair and balanced? I would like to...
  18. Brigadier
    Brigadier 29 December 2019 09: 50
    +9
    "Because everything is great in our army. And to talk about all the processes you need only this way. Everything else is from the evil one, that is, from agents of the West."

    We have already gone through all this. "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast"
    And then, on June 22, 1941, everything fell into place ...

    And we now, in fact, before the new June 22, is much worse than "then."
    There is no agriculture, no industry, no motivation of the people, no Stalin ...

    We arrived ... Thanks to Putin, my dear ...
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 29 December 2019 12: 09
      -2
      You poorly know the history of the USSR Armed Forces in the pre-war period. One of the elements of party activity was considered criticism and self-criticism. In the districts, formations, units and divisions, there was a lot of discussion of those shortcomings that were then eliminated, discussed, and then applied best practices. Hurray-patriotism was not in the army, but on June 22, the Nazis simply found mistakes in the strategic planning of the USSR Armed Forces, and hit a weak spot ... Not on all fronts was a terrible situation, but the Navy in the first period managed to withstand and maintain their fighting qualities . About cheers patriotism was invented by those who are primarily to blame for our defeats of 1941-42.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 36
      +1
      "No agriculture"
      - probably 123 million tons of grain for Russia this year, aliens brought. "No industry" - The Chinese have supplied all the weapons worth 1,5 trillion rubles to Russia this year. Finish with your blunt stamps.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 29 December 2019 14: 28
        +1
        Gg that's just all the sown grain imported, its not. Further, if there are so many grains, then what does bread mimic? Indeed, according to the laws of the market, on the contrary, it should become cheaper
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2019 15: 33
          -1
          Not all imports are from 20 to 80% for all agricultural crops in Russia.
        2. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 29 December 2019 19: 23
          -1
          Quote: Nehist
          Further, if there are so many grains, then what does bread mimic? Indeed, according to the laws of the market, on the contrary, it should become cheaper

          headquarters ??? belay for you in economics! This has never been and cannot be anywhere else, except perhaps at school in the "Economics for Children" lesson.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 29 December 2019 23: 53
            -2
            Gg actually, when supply exceeds demand, prices always fall. But yes you are right, such a rule is valid all over the world but not in Russia.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 30 December 2019 00: 39
              -3
              Quote: Nehist
              when supply exceeds demand, prices always fall

              This is "the economy for children", you do not take into account any transportation, storage, processing, or agricultural industry, or a fucking cloud of other nuances about which you will not be told in books for children. Yes, even when you see a book, you will look and see a "fig". Well, here's a simple example "where is the price of grain here if flour is used in bread and not grain?" and it is inappropriate to show in your answer your "cleverness" when talking about "one is made from the other" I know and understand this, but you know but do not understand. You do not understand that the price is falling not because "they have grown a lot" but because "they cannot save and recycle" because there are few storages and factories, and therefore, in order not to rot, the sellers drop the price and supply for export, and therefore the price of bread does not change and may even grow.
  19. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 29 December 2019 10: 01
    +1
    Not only MO but also the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    "" "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree establishing the 42nd Department in the Russian Foreign Ministry. It will deal with the development and implementation of state policy in the field of international information security (IIB), including combating the use of information technology in military -political, terrorist and other criminal purposes.

  20. avdkrd
    avdkrd 29 December 2019 10: 10
    -1
    Actually, why be surprised? Any state is inherently reactionary and the stronger it is, the tighter the screws will tighten. In a threatened period, all means are good. Total control of information is a global trend, only a country that is not included in the zone of interests of world political centers can afford not to participate in this process. On the whole, this should be combined with a coherent ideology. That is, points should be set - who is the enemy and who is the friend. The term "partners" should not be used in relation to hostile countries. In fact, there is a war, while it is cold, but a war. By the way, the enemy has control over the media even steeper than during the Cold War. ASPnet makes no secret of the fact that political and economic acts are aimed at the detriment of Russia. The negotiability of the ASPnet is zero and no war has been won by purely defensive measures.
    Perhaps such news should be treated more positively than the author. Such statements are usually a preparation of public opinion before a change of course. In my understanding, from the course of passive defense to active defense.
  21. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 December 2019 10: 27
    +1
    Well, it's worth seeing how it will look. I remember one journalist from Military Review who criticized the actions of the Ministry of Defense too much, was simply excluded from participation in any events held by the ministry.
    Perhaps he is not the only one. In a good way, one should ask Comrade General EgorovWell, not fate.

    Or maybe we’ll ask the deputy?

    Type: is she there for what purpose?
    1. figwam
      figwam 29 December 2019 10: 57
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      is she there for what purpose?

      She has a military rank
  22. dgonni
    dgonni 29 December 2019 11: 27
    +1
    Looks like somewhere the general messed up and knows for sure that the information is gone. Therefore, they fuss. Well, at least that.
  23. timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 29 December 2019 11: 53
    +7
    It seems that the Ministry of Defense does not take out the situation when their jambs are widely discussed by the public, sometimes with a very loud effect.
    There is no other way to explain it.

    But the stuffing does not turn back, Mr. Tsalikov.

    When the president promises five warships of the DMZ in a year, in fact they will lay four, and then the Minister of Defense will say that there were five of them on the board, we will write about this.

    Maybe even tomorrow. laughing

    And none of the emotional complaints of the switchmen in black uniform sent to the VO administration will help you, we have a free country.

    So that.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 December 2019 13: 41
      -7
      I would, at the place of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, generally cover all information on military operations, the amount of equipment delivered and much more would be accepted for service, but how much, where, why - not your dog business, expensive media and Internet bloggers.
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 29 December 2019 13: 50
        +9
        Then they’ll put all your grandchildren at once on some high-rise, simply because one official wasn’t tired of ammunition, the other general didn’t bother allocating fuel for the exercises, and the people did not know and did not resent, and everyone thought that everything was fine, they watched the parades TV and tossed up bonnets.

        Shoals with military construction must become public, otherwise they will not be corrected.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 December 2019 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Shoals with military construction must become public, otherwise they will not be corrected.

          Do you want us to have a crowd, I apologize - the public, determined the extent of the joint and the responsibility for it publicly? And as you imagine it, just don’t say that in the model and likeness of Ukrainian nationalists - Bandera.

          Maybe it is necessary that the deputies, through the adoption of relevant laws, force the prosecutor's office to catch mice, and not wait until the signal arrives?

          The law of the crowd is the most disgusting law of all the laws that mankind has come up with.
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 29 December 2019 23: 24
            0
            Take the next step, acknowledge for officer X the holy and infallible right to pay for your laziness or incompetence or desire to fill your pockets with the lives of your descendants
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 29 December 2019 14: 31
        +3
        Gg. And how are you going to close the mouths of officers, warrant officers and soldiers who see all this personally and discuss it among themselves and not only?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 December 2019 15: 42
          +1
          Just like now - the law on the disclosure of state secrets will apply to every soldier - you can talk about life, you can talk about problems, you can talk about state of emergency, but you can’t talk about new weapons for its purchased number, locations, military operations conducted by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 29 December 2019 16: 14
            0
            Gg it is necessary to speak about military operations and in all hearing and not to pay off they are not there. Information about the life of the aircraft is much more interesting than the performance characteristics of some kind of child prowess, it opens up a lot of information about who lives and how. And this is material for L / S recruitment
  24. Freeman
    Freeman 29 December 2019 16: 51
    0
    But how everything will be luxurious. The lines are lined up, painted one color, letters are one to one.


    Roman, but what about "kantiki"? They forgot about the "kantiki"!



    Shl. "Kantik" in the SA, "fought back" with two stools.
    wassat
    1. 30143
      30143 30 December 2019 19: 28
      -1
      It used to be slippers.
  25. Doliva63
    Doliva63 29 December 2019 19: 00
    +2
    Nothing. I'm talking about an article, if that.
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 29 December 2019 19: 16
    +5
    Difficult sensations, to be honest. On the one hand, this is where so many spyware could have been taken away by unknown spies ...

    Why unknown? And how many deserters from among the officials (in the past) of various levels settled in the West, did anyone count them? I dare to assume that they were "milked" there to the fullest - for a quiet life there you have to pay with information, and they probably continue to provide this kind of service, since they have friends and acquaintances here. Further, information about the presence of foreign accounts of acting officials of various levels and departments, as well as the presence of family members at school and permanent residence are a good "tool" that allows Western special services to "extract" information from these characters, in which they are aware, up to the information of the constituent state secret. In addition, over the past 30 years, thousands of Russian citizens have been trained and trained in various educational institutions, non-governmental organizations and foundations in the West, many of whom are representatives of the Russian mass media, teachers of our universities, deputies of various levels, and employees of some state institutions. And to think that when they were there they were left without the attention of the special services of the host country is at least naive. Well, for a snack - social networks.
    So, Western intelligence agencies probably have no problems with sources of information on the territory of the Russian Federation. bully hi
  27. BAI
    BAI 29 December 2019 19: 20
    +3
    It is aimed at undermining the confidence of Russian society in the combat readiness and combat effectiveness of the army.

    How can one undermine what is not?
    20 years of service have suggested that generals cannot be trusted. Never.
    Their first priority is to increase the number of stars on uniform. Everything else is secondary.
  28. Nitarius
    Nitarius 30 December 2019 04: 53
    0
    what prevents to cover the newspaper data then? .. ... and the information is twofold!
  29. 1536
    1536 30 December 2019 06: 46
    +1
    Now I don’t remember exactly where or from whom I learned about the so-called “wedding of the daughter of G. Romanov,” the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, in the Winter Palace and the beaten tsar’s service, but certainly not from the media like the then “Spark”. They say that information is scattered in the air, it only needs to be caught, but there is someone to throw information of any nature, as it was then in Soviet times.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 30 December 2019 12: 56
      +3
      And it was a lie. There was no wedding in the Winter Palace. The war of the same internal party clans with each other, including by stuffing rumors.
  30. fiberboard
    fiberboard 30 December 2019 07: 28
    +2
    I strongly doubt that the political organs of the army will be able to withstand the information war, then brains are needed, not slogans. And the quality of school knowledge is poor. Already many graduates of our schools believe that the decisive battles of World War II were the battle at Midway Atoll and in Africa.
    1. karabass
      karabass 30 December 2019 10: 36
      +1
      Nonsense is all! Take, for example, Latin America - there, in the army, generals not only steal, but also rob and sell drugs and give assignments for contract killings, including political ones. Moreover, the prestige of the army service is very high, because there even ordinary soldiers are provided financially. And if life is good, then no enemy propaganda will lead you astray.
      Therefore, AU, generals, make a decent salary subordinate, and you can forget about the machinations of information enemies
  31. evgen1221
    evgen1221 30 December 2019 17: 36
    +1
    The topic is controversial and requires a flexible solution. On the one hand, care and the inevitability of punishment from the state, on the other hand, maintaining the balance of Chernukha and real facts about the state of the army within the framework of the rational. But one-sided prohibition and frenzied around are only enemies and a word of bad and criticism is bad.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 30 December 2019 19: 05
    0
    To do this, just do not give a reason for this. But the army is a cut from society.
  33. Igoresha
    Igoresha 30 December 2019 19: 19
    0
    well then .. Berry \ Yezhov knew something in '37?
  34. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA 30 December 2019 19: 39
    +1
    Dear Roman!
    Apparently, based on the publication, you are an outside observer of the army, its achievements and problems.
    Estimate in your head a team at an enterprise or campaign. You will deny that it will not cause any problems or conflicts, each of which can be relied on in social networks, in YouTube (making money from advertising), etc.? And let's climb into your inner circle and begin to seek out and actively PR all your internal problems ... Do you understand what I'm talking about? So you are about the army.

    The army is a huge, complex, multifaceted, with its own hierarchy, a collective that is updated almost daily. Each person entering it is a person with his own difficulties and problems, his victories, opportunities and even ideological background ... But that's not all! This team has weapons, combat and other equipment. And these are not toys at all. And the basis of the army is yesterday's schoolchildren, many of whom have not yet realized the significance of the place and position where they are! Hence in the Ministry of Defense and restrained, but openness and no "scoop", as you deigned to say - no! In Soviet times, you would not have learned a lot until the end of your days. Now the army is more than open.

    You are talking about the "training manuals of the Soviet era" by which the Russian army lives - again nonsense!
    Write: "... No, why is it customary for us to take only the worst and the worst from the times of the Soviet Union? ..." Well, again, nonsense! And about the "distortion of facts" of the Ministry of Defense - did you participate in the investigation or were you a member of the commission? Probably not again. And to rewrite yourself in an article written by someone else is immediately, without thinking. This is what the RF Ministry of Defense told you about.
    You, therefore, speak brighter and brighter about yourself to everyone (your favorite word) displeased! And, apparently, on purpose.

    And "Mr. Tsalikov", if you ever manage to talk to him, you will seem to be a luminary, to which you cannot grow. The last thing is to get into individuals you don't know about ...
    Understand! Before you find fault with and support the very digital war about which you are smiling, you need to "plunge into the material with your head", and not grab onto publicizing less and less problems in the military environment. If one wrote, and fifty were reprinted, this will not turn one problem into fifty! The fewer PR people like you, the fewer there are in the army, and in other areas we will have problems. And do not think that they are not seen and solved on the ground without you and your gaze. Believe me, everything is under control and they deal with each case tough. This is an army, not a kindergarten!
    1. Thompson
      Thompson 31 December 2019 08: 54
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      The bull's eye! Apparently, in his opinion, one should write only about the negative and this is the highest justice.
    2. karabass
      karabass 31 December 2019 18: 14
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      Now they’ll obstruct me, but I’ll answer you - I don’t know what about control in the army, (I know that orders are obeyed implicitly) Personally, I’m sending army colonels (by virtue of profession), including by looking into my eyes and in plain text with three letters , and the generals more than once had to be rude (I didn’t send, I won’t lie), but their faces turned red
      So: in our army the situation is now worse than in civilian life. I answer for my words
      1. ASASHOKA
        ASASHOKA 13 January 2020 22: 05
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        As you can see (Ivan), you cannot achieve obstruction, as well as communication on your tirade with you. They don’t want to talk to you ... But since I have an appeal, I’ll answer ... I didn’t know that there was such a profession as sending colonels and army generals ... Hero! And I understand those who turned a red face, but this face did not spoil you. You’ve been lucky in life with this - it’s yes, and I believe that you will guess the reason yourself ... probably ...
        And you didn’t know anything about the army, but you remained ignorant, alas ...
        And further! It’s hard in life for those who, apparently, don’t represent anything, they didn’t succeed in doing anything good, but they have ambition and it worries them ... Hence the bile ...
        1. karabass
          karabass 14 January 2020 19: 57
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          Firstly, good evening, and secondly: what do you think should have been achieved? become president? oligarch? Minister few can achieve this, but I work as a builder, build for the Ministry of Defense, what do you think I should be? Thirdly: how do you imagine the army general beating my face right at the meeting? or even by video! so once again I will answer for my words - In the army now things are worse than in civilian life! Our army is completely impoverished (I'm not talking about salaries) Do not you agree? Write essentially!
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 30 December 2019 21: 03
    +4
    Quote: Radikal
    Difficult sensations, to be honest. On the one hand, this is where so many spyware could have been taken away by unknown spies ...

    Why unknown? And how many deserters from among the officials (in the past) of various levels settled in the West, did anyone count them? I dare to assume that they were "milked" there to the fullest - for a quiet life there you have to pay with information, and they probably continue to provide this kind of service, since they have friends and acquaintances here. Further, information about the presence of foreign accounts of acting officials of various levels and departments, as well as the presence of family members at school and permanent residence are a good "tool" that allows Western special services to "extract" information from these characters, in which they are aware, up to the information of the constituent state secret. In addition, over the past 30 years, thousands of Russian citizens have been trained and trained in various educational institutions, non-governmental organizations and foundations in the West, many of whom are representatives of the Russian mass media, teachers of our universities, deputies of various levels, and employees of some state institutions. And to think that when they were there they were left without the attention of the special services of the host country is at least naive. Well, for a snack - social networks.
    So, Western intelligence agencies probably have no problems with sources of information on the territory of the Russian Federation. bully hi

    Wow, someone sent a minus, someone from those about whom I wrote in the comment? lol Anxiety! The site is a foreign intelligence agent! wassat
  36. Thompson
    Thompson 31 December 2019 08: 47
    +1
    Already reading the title of the article, subconsciously you begin to suspect who the author is ... oh he is!
  37. Tektor
    Tektor 1 January 2020 21: 27
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    Trump has signed a strategic directive relating Russia, China and Iran to their implacable enemies. Those. it will not be possible to avoid the confrontation, and there must be only one left: either a pack of arrogant Saxons, or our trinity with fellow travelers. Moreover, the new phase of this big game has no time limit. Now, any spokesmen for the views of the enemy can fall under the laws of wartime. The situation will be complicated.
  38. Aibolit
    Aibolit 2 January 2020 03: 03
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    Roman ... You are careful.
    Now it’s not the 37th, now it’s worse, they slap it, Sbatsat and weigh losses of 50 million.
    RospotrebPOSOZOR, however.
  39. Sarcasm
    Sarcasm 2 January 2020 20: 21
    +1
    Well show a couple of palaces and? Bulk them already a dozen showed what has changed? Nothing at all. The looted ones cannot surprise us, for the most part we ourselves steal the power of the couple, the scales are simply different.
    Well showed the official blower and? Nothing too. Well show that the top leadership of gays or pedophiles and? There won’t be ANYTHING either, many just like under the famous English monarch will begin to emphasize their blueness.
    Yes, and I think the country from outside is undermined more skillfully, the drain of compromising information is more about ours, but they kill morality, morality, etc., and bring the impoverished 90s to the state of bipedal livestock at the end of the Scoop and dashing.
  40. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 4 January 2020 11: 20
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    No. let the first creep out of the basement long ago become the norm of perception the anti-Russian manner of presentation. when? Well .. getatsapov wrote centuries since the 18th .... and before that they wrote the same thing and wrote to Conan Milking that the poor Russian and peacefully mastered colonist English hardworking planet OGA SchAZ ... and crushed it in bulk from an English encyclopedia that I read in bulk children about the conquest of the conquest of Siberia / Ukraine / Finland need to pay. delivers a phrase from a textbook in a story that the crisis caused breakdowns ... and what about the USA in the hungry 20-30 did not break up.
  41. iouris
    iouris 6 January 2020 12: 22
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    They flirted with their digitalization and informatization, completely forgot about the meanings.