“The largest tank battle”: T-90 in Syrian Idlib praised in Vietnam

The large-scale military operation unfolding in Idlib proves the power of the “frightening” tanks T-90S, which Vietnam had previously purchased. Local media write about it,

According to a report by Syria, cited by Vietnamese reporters, after the militants were urged to launch a powerful counterattack on the advancing troops of Damascus within 48 hours, the Syrian leadership immediately took active measures to destroy the enemy group.

In addition to conventional forces, 10 T-90S units were used, which operated under the cover of Mi-35 attack helicopters. They managed to destroy 30 rebel tanks, mainly T-55 and T-62. As a result of the defeat of the militants, government forces established control over Sinjar from December 21 and held it, despite repeated rebel attacks.

It is considered the largest tank battle in the Syrian Civil War in the last 8 years.

- noted the Vietnamese media, indicating that the T-90S tank is considered the "sword" of the Tigers division (which received a regular military number some time ago), which defeated the rebels in Idlib.

The material notes that with their support, the army liberated a number of strategic cities in the southeast of the province: Tahtaya, Al-Heraki, Al-Hellbh, Al-Kurati, Al-Burj, Farvan, Karsanti, Sukaya and Muaysiruna. And this despite the fact that Turkey supplies militants weapon, ammunition and armored vehicles - armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles equipped with ATGMs.

As the Vietnamese portal Soha points out (not to be confused with a Chinese resource with a similar name), it is obvious that the Vietnamese military was not mistaken in purchasing the T-90, making the right choice in favor of an “extremely efficient” tank.

Comments

[32363]

But what kind of ultimatum did the Turks put up for the Russians in Syria yesterday?

[Zaurbek]

There is some kind of divorce ..... our Turkish hands are calling Kurds to reason .... and the Turks have closed their eyes on Idlib.

[Leeds]

30 tanks with spirits, and why not 300 or 3000 to swindle at Prokhorovka? ... You just need to at least occasionally monitor the situation in order to catch yourself on frank delirium when copying materials. Everything that comes from Syria without documentary evidence receives a priori stamp "LAZHA".

[Nastia makarova]

it is said that 30

[Leeds]

[quote = Nastia Makarova] it is said that 30 [/
I wish you in the new year learn to think for yourself))

[Umalta]

Leeds
[quote = Nastia Makarova] it is said that 30 [/
"I wish you in the new year to learn to think independently))" - they thought for a long time: 29,5 tanks, 0,5 tanks were lied to, the percentage of lies, please, count yourself.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The terrorists in Idlib even a couple of Leopards 2 appeared recently, so 30 tanks are likely to be and could be used.

[Ingenegr]

I wonder how 30 T-55/62 follows from a pair of Leopards? From a pair of "Leopards" only a pair of "Leopards" follows and nothing more.

[EvilLion]

In Chechnya, in the 94/95th, the bandits had tanks. Theoretically, in Syria, bearded men could accumulate trophies, but it was somehow strange on their part to keep them for a long time.

[Oleg Salov]

Can you tell me how many tanks the terrorists have and how many were directly in Idlib? Question to Victor Troshka.

[novel66]

no need about Prokhorovka, one shame

[Ros 56]

What did you take part in? Why is there such neglect when even historians do not have a complete picture? And why did the Germans eventually rush out of there?

[novel66]

sorry, buddy, just be so kind as to read to the end, and then argue
https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=147751&p=1

[peter rusin_2]

go to other sites, do not be lazy and find out! and sitting in the toilet, squeeze the smartphone-mind is not necessary! Do not miss by))

[Red]

The Turks want us to stop the offensive in Idlib, in addition, yesterday Donald Trump tweeted to us, the Syrians and Iran, to stop and praise Turkey that she is trying to stop this massacre

[Zaurbek]

But, at the same time, they blame the Turks for the Kurds. There’s some kind of porridge ... one thing is clear that the Syrian army boldly went to storm villages and cities in Idlib, which it did not do before.

[Red]

But how not to blame the Turks then. The sultan, when he began the operation, announced that he wanted a security zone 30 km from the border. This is + - M4 Highway. Fortunately, several oil fields near the city of Kamyshly fall within a radius of 30 km. After all, the Sultan has encroached on what the Americans are in Syria for.

[Zaurbek]

And before that, the Kurds sent the Syrians ... and wanted independence ... Turks for anything, but not for it.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

There is no porridge there, the United States is doing everything so that terrorists in Syria flourish, and Turkey is also trying to destroy as many Kurds as possible under the guise of.

[Chaldon48]

Interestingly, and who unleashed this massacre?

[Red]

One gets the feeling that Syria does not use tactics such as washing, namely: 1) The Syrians are conducting an offensive 2) The Syrians are seizing a certain territory 3) The Turks, Americans, etc. wake up (choose any) and start shouting so that everyone stops 4) Russia tells Assad to stop 5) the offensive stops at those points that have already taken 6) A couple of months pass and the script repeats again.

[MoJloT]

But what kind of ultimatum did the Turks put up for the Russians in Syria yesterday?

They asked for a truce, ours agreed. But the militants did not begin to carry it out and the Syrian army went further.

[bessmertniy]

Well, it would be easier for the Turks to make a face fashion in this situation - to leave Idlib and not risk their observers, who ensure the advancement of Turkish interests in this territory.

[MoJloT]

Well, it would be easier for the Turks to make a face fashion in this situation - to leave Idlib and not risk their observers

We, too, can leave the Donbass, in theory ... We need to think about the consequences, they are not very for the Turks.

[Lelek]

Quote: 32363

But what kind of ultimatum did the Turks put up for the Russians in Syria yesterday?

Exhibited, but later settled.

Russian Aerospace Forces bombard "bearded".

[kolkulon]

Good publicity . All praise Soha

[Aerodrome]

Quote: kolkulon

Good publicity . All praise Soha

We do not publish "anti-advertising". and there are a lot of complaints (excuse me, I'm always critical) and the crew "almost sits on the solarium", and the engine suddenly loses power at temperatures above 34 (outside), and the UVZ director himself declares (which has lowered 10 Lyamov for his birthday in Moscow with "stars"):

The CEO of Uralvagonzavod Oleg Sienko is also critical of his products. He draws attention to the level of convenience in the T-90. “You will enter a foreign tank at the exhibition, sit as if not in a Mercedes, then in a Volkswagen. You’ll climb into ours - well, just some arteries stick out everywhere, ”Sienko says.

[Air force]

But about the Abrams, too, a lot of negative things can be said, I went to your link, so Postnikov said there that the T90 is the 17th modification of the T72 and therefore the equipment does not meet NATO standards, a counter question, and the Abrams is not really the same tank, though not modified, but modernized, then he said that the cost of T90 as 3 German leopards did not read further in detail, because after this assessment I do not trust Postnikov's opinion, so I ran through the websites and found out that he was fired, there are some corruption cases, the adjutant stole 150 officer apartments and etc. Sienko seems to be working at the Russian Copper Company now, that is, an ordinary manager, he says that the tank has problems when firing on uneven terrain. Does a leopard or abrams have such problems? when shooting in motion, taking into account the absence of an automatic loader? And the article from the cycle "everything is lost", as for me the T90 shows itself worthy, in my philistine opinion. I saw a video where the vaunted Abrams and leopards are burning, I saw how in T90 from TOW they blasted and normal. The T90 is a good and formidable car. Of course, time does not stand still, which is why Armata is being developed, so the convenience and the crew are protected. With regard to the specific article about the fighting in Syria, if the truth is the good fellows the Syrians, of course they didn’t click on the Abrams, but still, the truth is that many will say that it is not an equal battle, against old tanks, etc. counter arguments can be that, show me an equal battle where the vaunted Abrams, leclerks and leopards fought, did not see how the Houthis burned abrams in shale, but there is no equal battle.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Air Force

Sienko seems to be working at the Russian Copper Company now, that is, an ordinary manager,

yeah, he managed to chat in the "shipbuilding company" ... well, like Serdyukov, the same "special" ...

[MoJloT]

Postnikov said that the T90 is the 17th modification of the T72 and therefore the equipment does not meet NATO standards, a counter question, and Abrams isn’t the same tank that is really not modified, but modernized, then he said that the cost of the T90 as 3 German leopards does not read further has become

One tank is tailored for a professional army, the second for "women give birth." Apart from military strategy, it is not very informative to compare tanks.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Iraq just now compared the T-90s and Abrams for the "professional army" and realized that the T-90 saves lives much more often for tankmen and infantry.

Your Abrams, like all NATO tanks in the nomenclature of weapons, do not have a high-explosive shell and therefore can hardly support the infantry in the offensive, but they do not have them for the reason that then the knock-out panels would lose their meaning, since the detonation of the FSF would carry the tank to pieces .

NATO tanks are fighter tanks for other tanks, the Russian T-90 support tank for infantry.

It was with this tactic that we ran into WW2.

And comfort does not mean the combat effectiveness of the tank.

[MoJloT]

Your Abrams, like all NATO tanks in the arsenal of weapons, do not have a HE shell

This is not entirely true, there are modern shells and card-based, and concrete-high-explosive, and with an explosion delay ...

It was with this tactic that we ran into WW2

I tell you the same thing, roughly speaking, we adhere to the concept of the end of World War I only with more modern weapons. The opposing army is a professional, the difference is monstrous.

And comfort does not mean the combat effectiveness of the tank.

A professional military is not a consumable, but a valuable worker, and the workplace must meet modern requirements.

Iraq just now compared the T-90s and Abrams for the "professional army" and realized that the T-90 saves lives much more often for tankmen and infantry.

Barmaleyev even chasing it against an equal footing, against guerrilla warfare is cheap and cheerful, after all, they have little economy there, and the army itself is far from professional. Therefore, our tanks are more suitable for them.

[⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: MoJloT

A professional military is not a consumable, but a valuable worker, and the workplace must meet modern requirements

There, Xi Jinping recently called on his military to subject himself to severe self-restraint in order to maintain morale. Comfort corrupts.

Quote: MoJloT

after all, their economy there is not very good, and the army itself is far from professional. Therefore, our tanks are more suitable for them.

Military production should be economical, despite the economy. The same states seek to reduce the cost of arms purchases, read the latest topics about their cheap missiles, etc.

[MoJloT]

There, Xi Jinping recently called on his military to subject himself to severe self-restraint in order to maintain morale. Comfort corrupts.

And where is the professional army?

The same states are striving to reduce the cost of arms purchases, read the latest topics about their cheap missiles, etc.

At the same time, the military budget is growing, we must give them their due, for the partisans they have their own nomenclature of means, for regular armies, their own, albeit more expensive, but they have.

[⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: MoJloT

for partisans they have their own nomenclature of means, for regular armies, their own, albeit more expensive, but they have.

For regular arias, I recall that the Sherman was 4 times cheaper than the opposing car.

[MoJloT]

For regular arias, I recall that the Sherman was 4 times cheaper than the opposing car.

And where is the professional army?

[⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo]

Why is there a professional army? The professional army, due to understandable limitations in numbers, is intended to fight partisans and banana republics, obviously they will not be enough for a serious war. And you noted above that to fight against partisans even the states rivet cheap weapons, while our conversation is about expensive.

[MoJloT]

Why is there a professional army?

We talked about tanks, T90 and Abrams, they are different in the light of different concepts of warfare, some professionals, second conscripts, and what you want I don’t understand

There, Xi Jinping recently called on his military to subject himself to severe self-restraint in order to maintain morale.

[MoJloT]

The professional army, due to understandable limitations in numbers, is intended to fight partisans and banana republics, obviously they will not be enough for a serious war.

The American army has one big problem, the war with any army in a month, two, turns into a fight against partisans.

[D16]

The American army has one big problem, the war with any army in a month, two, turns into a fight against partisans.

When was the last time they fought a serious adversary? Even half of Europe in World War II was jacked off, not conquered. However, as in the first.

[Po-tzan]

Quote: D16

When was the last time they fought a serious adversary?

When was the last time the Russian Federation fought with a serious adversary?

[D16]

So we do not pretend to be the "chief godfather" In both world wars, Russia and the USSR did not sit out overseas, waiting for the opponents to fizzle out. Considering the administrative resource of the "partners", the state of the armed forces and the Russian economy at that time, the first Chechen one was very serious and could lead to the collapse of the Russian Federation. Fortunately, the correct conclusions were drawn and the army was put in relative order.

[PSih2097]

Quote: D16

Fortunately, the right conclusions were made and the army brought into relative order.

and then the "tabcretkin" came and ruined everything ...

[D16]

and then the "tabcretkin" came and ruined everything ... laughing

The question is very controversial. And there is not the slightest desire to arrange discussions on this topic.

[⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: MoJloT

The US Army has one big problem, war with any army in a month, two, it turns into a fight against partisans

The survival of your notorious 500 "professional army" after the first exchange of blows after the start of a serious war with at least one of the armies of the world is a big question. So in some cases they will completely avoid the problem you voiced.

[poquello]

Quote: MoJloT

The American army has one big problem, the war with any army in a month, two, turns into a fight against partisans.

)))) judging by the luli captured by the Americans, there are so many guerrillas in the world

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The American army has one big problem, the war with any army in a month, two, turns into a fight against partisans.

The US Army nearly died under the Ardennes and fled from Vietnam. All their successes are a victory when the advantage is obvious either over a smaller one (Grenada, Panama, Yugoslavia) or an outdated army (Iraq).

[5-9]

This is not entirely true, there are modern shells and card-based, and concrete-high-explosive, and with an explosion delay ..

.

All the same, it is a palliative of the usual OFS, in order to be like an OFS you need to have an explosive in a projectile as an OFS, and if you have so much of it, then there is a danger of detonation like in an OFS ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is not entirely true, there are modern shells and card-based, and concrete-high-explosive, and with an explosion delay ...

Card shells are very cool, it was in 1812))).

See the range of this projectile projectile - 600 meters !!!

And the concrete-high explosive M908 is the same multi-purpose (in fact more cumulative) M830A1 they are beaten by both the infantry and the sides of the tanks. The only difference is that the fuse was replaced with a concrete-breaking tip.

They have M830A1 / M908 -

We have 125 OFS (firing range 4000 meters -

I tell you the same thing, roughly speaking, we adhere to the concept of the end of World War I only with more modern weapons. The opposing army is a professional, the difference is monstrous.

This is nonsense. Compare how conscripts in Israel and "professionals" from the United States fight in any war.

Professionalism and valor does not depend on what kind of salary a soldier has, but depends on who trains him and how.

A professional military is not a consumable, but a valuable worker, and the workplace must meet modern requirements.

A tank is not a workplace, but a combat vehicle, spending resources and time on comfort will result in a greater cost of tanks and a smaller number of them in the troops.

I can do without unnecessary comfort, but at the same time I will have a sufficient number of tanks than go along the path of Britain, France and Germany. which, with their budgets, can afford 300-400 tanks per army, which will be knocked out in the very first days of the war, and then they simply don’t have enough time to make up for the losses.

[5-9]

Where does the T-90 come from Iraq ???
They have only ancient miserable export, or generally Polish T-72s ... the trick is that in battle they showed efficiency as purchased from the United States M1A1 (also not new as the Saudis, but also capitalized in theory much better than the Iraqi versions of T- 72) ... but all the M1s broke in Iraqi arms, and the T-72 flee and fight.

[MoJloT]

Where does the T-90 come from Iraq ???

T 90 is essentially T 72

but all the M1s broke in Iraqi pens

That's right, they are for professionals, the whole army should be professional, not mercenary, but professional completely.

and the T-72 run and fight.

I say the same thing, if there is no money, if the army has semi-literate people, but there are many of them, the choice is obvious.

[D16]

T 90 is essentially T 72

It can also be stated that V-93S2F is essentially B2. Yes, only between them is a multiple difference in power and multiple in resource.

That's right, they are for professionals, the whole army should be professional, not mercenary, but professional completely.

A mercenary hired to serve in the army lives there for some time, receiving a salary. Service is his profession, that is, he is a professional. Non-professional is conscript. During the service, he takes possession of the profession and goes into the reserve. After that, when concluding a contract, he becomes a professional and receives a corresponding salary. That is, they have a man who came from a citizen and graduated from school this is an awesome professional, but with us, a man who has completed school and served half a year or a year in the army, this sucks? You rave .

I say the same thing, if there is no money, if the army has semi-literate people, but there are many of them, the choice is obvious.

Their people in the rank and file of the army are no different from ours. With rare exceptions, these are the same people who have not found their application in civilian life.

[MoJloT]

I foresaw your appearance and those like you, so I made a difference between the structure of a professional army

the whole army should be professional, not mercenary, namely, professional, completely.

and a person who serves / works / is hired in the "conscript" army. The details are good, but the big picture is the main thing.

You rave lol.

Their people in the rank and file of the army are no different from ours.

This is not true, the sergeant is very different.

[D16]

What a fancy you are. A person is called up to the "draft" army so that he graduates from an army vocational school and consolidates his skills during further military service. Then he is free to sign a contract and become a professional. If he doesn’t want to, it’s like a tablecloth. Let him work in civilian life. But this is a potential professional who, in the event of war, can be taken into the active army. He also periodically undergoes retraining so as not to lose skills. And so almost the entire male population, with the exception of one-legged and otmazyvshis . Here is the picture as a whole.

[MoJloT]

That's right, but again about the details, well, let's talk about what you insist on. In the draft army they take everyone (especially ours) there is no selection because it’s free and the personal qualities of a fighter are not important, the main quantity.

But this is a potential professional, who in case of war can be taken into the army.

A person who has been "raked for a year" may not even be seen by more than one professional soldier for service, everything is mixed up, and his level is appropriate, but this is not the essence, the main quantity.

which in case of war can be taken into the army.

As in the First World War, general mobilization, and we are preparing a mobilization reserve now starting in high school and this is true.

[D16]

A person who has been "raked in for a year" may not even be seen by more than one professional soldier in a year of service, his level is appropriate, but this is not the essence, the main number.

Do not tell me about some abstract person. Maybe there are, but these are units from the vast majority. They do not do weather. I served three years of military service. Believe me, I knew and knew more than some midshipmen and officers. But in the early nineties, the country was changing, and it was more interesting for me at home.

[D16]

In the draft army they take everyone (especially ours) there is no selection because it’s free and the personal qualities of a fighter are not important, the main quantity.

It’s easier to find those capable people who will really be of use in the future. The larger the net, the more fish. Only at the time of the call, these people themselves do not yet know what they are capable of and what will determine their career in the future.

[D16]

As in the first world.

Choi like the first? Today there are many military professions, which in World War I did not exist at all.

[D16]

This is not true, the sergeant is very different.

It used to be different, since sergeants and foremen were mostly conscripts. The picture has changed. Now there are the same great-aged fucked-up professional sergeants from foreman . Well, for the most part . And so in any army, where they serve those who did not find a place in the civilian world. The exception is Chinese so far, but this is not forever.

[D16]

Where does the T-90 come from Iraq ???

Iraq has them. Currently 36pcs. https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5dd29b469a794783e56283ab

[EvilLion]

Cumulatives can be used as land mines. As for the knock-out panels, there was a vidos with their operation, after which at least one crew member squirts from the tank without problems, although a multi-meter torch arises above the combat station in the tower niche after hitting. The shells are unitary, and after ignition of the charges they should be scattered, but apparently, without cocked fuses and a barrel bore making the gas flow directed, it is more difficult to cause the detonation of cumulatives than it seems. The tank, in theory, should completely burn out.

[Vanches]

It’s not good to cheat like that, they don’t have a landmine, but there is a multi-purpose m830, there is shrapnel with ready-to-use striking elements, we have such a projectile, “Sprinter,” they are trying to repeat about 10 years ago and now it’s there

[D16]

One tank is tailored for a professional army, the second for "women give birth."

German-Turkish, etc. women will have to give birth to loaders as well.

[Uncle lee]

"Extremely effective" tank.

This time Soha was not mistaken!

[Vladimir_2U]

The T-90 is certainly a thing, but it is unfortunate that it hits Soviet-designed tanks. ((

[Vadim237]

And he won’t penetrate foreign ones in the forehead since he has a BPS Mango M with armor penetration of 550 mm of armor.

[Vladimir_2U]

"OBPS" Lead "(index of the projectile 3BM-46; index of the projectile with a propellant charge 3BM-48) (p / in 1986)
Modern OBPS with a monolithic uranium core of high elongation and subcaliber stabilizers, using a new composite WU with two contact zones. The projectile has a length close to the maximum permissible for standard Soviet automatic loaders. The most powerful Soviet 125-mm OBPS, exceeding or corresponding in power to the OBPS adopted by NATO countries until relatively recently.

A projectile of increased power with a high elongation tungsten core and sub-caliber stabilizers, using a four-section composite VU with two contact zones. In the literature of Rosoboronexport, this projectile is referred to simply as "a projectile of increased power."
The developers of this ammunition for the first time created a large elongation shell with a new reference scheme.
The new BPS is designed for firing from a D-81 tank gun at modern tanks equipped with sophisticated composite armor and dynamic protection.

Projectile 3VBM-44M
Compared to BOPS 3BM42, due to an elongated body made of tungsten alloy and a charge made of higher-energy propellants, a 20% increase in armor penetration is provided. "
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bps.htm
This tank is not the only mango that is full. At the same time, we do not consider the holes in the frontal armor of the Abrasha, that of Leo, and the cumulative and missiles in the T-90.

[tracer]

It's a shame that our tanks are fighting with ours. It is clear that weapons and all that, but damn the outline of our own tank in the sight to catch? I would not mind at all if they still fought on camels. Arming a future adversary is not a good idea. This is about the supply of military equipment to the "Zanzibars with Kolokhars" of the USSR. For some reason, she ends up against our interests and is exposed. Paradox!!!

[Scoun]

Quote: tracer

It's a shame that our tanks are at war with ours.

And this is despite the fact that Turkey supplies militants weapons, ammunition and armored vehicles - armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles equipped with ATGM.

ATGM can be much more dangerous than a tank. Here the T-90 shows its capabilities to withstand NATO weapons.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

ATGMs can be much more dangerous than a tank .... they can, but not more dangerous than a tank, portable, self-propelled ATGMs and MANPADS are weapons of asymmetric warfare, that is, with our capacious and meaningful word-guerrilla warfare, they can inflict great damage, but generally shooting at the back will achieve something it’s impossible, but if the enemy arrives in tanks, it’s serious and for a long time, by the way, the T-72B3 and T-90 ammunition includes the OF version of the Invar TUR, which is very destructive if you can shoot with impunity

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

ATGMs can be much more dangerous than a tank .... they can, but not more dangerous than a tank, portable, self-propelled ATGMs and MANPADS are weapons of asymmetric warfare, that is, with our capacious and meaningful word-guerrilla warfare, they can inflict great damage, but generally shooting at the back will achieve something it’s impossible, but if the enemy arrives in tanks, it’s serious and for a long time, by the way, the T-72B3 and T-90 ammunition includes the OF version of the Invar TUR, which is very destructive if you can shoot with impunity

No way. In the Arab-Israeli war of 1973, the Egyptian infantry successfully repulsed a counterattack by Israeli tanks, inflicting tremendous damage on the attacking units. ATGM calculations are almost invisible, unlike enemy tanks.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In the Arab-Israeli war of 1973, the Egyptian infantry ..... even I doubt the story, as if it were tragic, has all the place to be. to recall how the operation led by Sharon ended, the 143rd Armored Division surrounded the 3rd Egyptian army by the end of the fighting and forced the Egyptians to ask for a truce. just imagine the division beat the army, with which Ariel used the captured PT-76 and BTR-50 for this operation, it must be clarified that the PT-76 was only lazy with us and especially abroad, and there’s

[Krasnodar]

This was right after the Egyptians took the Bar Lev line. The Israelis counterattacked with bare (without infantry) tanks. Then - yes, they came to their senses and piled on. Again - if we evaluate the work of the Egyptians and Jews in general, then we must pay tribute to the Arabs - from the illiterate pile of yesterday's peasants and artisans, they made good fighters, in addition, a loss in any Arab-Israeli war, except for a blow to the ego and possible the loss of excess territories means nothing. Absolutely. The Jews have a different trick - in case of a military defeat they will simply be cut out, everyone will serve in the army, (the natives of the country list where grandmothers and mothers served ), with literacy, including technical, everything is ok too, so the general outcome of the war on both fronts (was also Syrian) is not surprising.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

then here we must pay tribute to the Arabs - from an illiterate heap .... don’t talk bullshit if the saddat had not replaced the nasser. (substituting their buns for the striped ones instead of the USSR) then ebip may have learned something else, but also total defeat with the capture of Sinai by the Jews, here you have the ATGM and the warped trophy PT-76

[Krasnodar]

Sinai was taken in the 67th, you are talking about the events of the 73rd. Nasser was charismatic, but as a military man he was not. He managed to miscalculate two wars - the Six Day War, which he himself initiated and the War of Depletion - which he himself began
Concerning the forcing of the Channel, if the Arabs realized in time that the furnace was about to destroy their air defense, they would have thrown all their forces to eliminate the crossing. And so - they just croaked the company. Under Nasser, however, they would have done it even faster - according to tradition

[Crimean partisan 1974]

they just bored the company. Under Nasser, however, they would have done it even faster ..... it’s possible to guess on coffee grounds, nevertheless they could have thrown military assistance from the Soviet shoulder from the USSR, well, a couple more divisions, and everything would have been so disgusting in ebibte. but the saddat buried everything

[Krasnodar]

So Sadat was thrown, starting on the third day of the war (just most of Syria was walking, but still), and a couple of divisions in the desert would not go beyond the air defense umbrella
In short, Sadat competently took the Bar Lev line, then competently negotiated a truce, then peacefully returned Sinai to Egypt. Nasser lost three wars - 56 years, Six Day and 69-70. By the way, the Israeli offensive of the USSR was stopped in 1973.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Nasser lost three wars ... oh well, let's get back to our rams, yet tanks are still a kind of fist on the table than the calculations of portable ATGMs and MANPADS, no matter how they were burned or thrown, Western trends towards tanks cooled, preferring not to make new ones and the role should be transferred to the chassis of civilian vehicles or to the kraynyak on an armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicle. personally, as for me, this is erroneous, although this is not so important for Western frauminobra, the main thing that LGBT people have taken root in the armies is that it makes me happy

[Krasnodar]

The problem here is common - tanks are now easily destroyed by infantry from ATGMs. KAZ - maybe a solution - I don’t know. With the massive use of all sorts of cornets / spikes / javelins, one unit is unlikely to help

[Crimean partisan 1974]

tanks are now easily destroyed by infantry with ATGM ..... not everywhere and not always, for example, tank groups of the DNI used the potential of the slop T-64 to the full. unanswered by the Ukrainian military, the fact is that the ammunition consisted mainly of HE rounds (23 kg), there were cases of high-altitude forces and Natsik up to 10 km from occupied high-altitude buildings, an excellent example of a highly protected mobile platform than various self-propelled guns and mortars based on armored personnel carriers or BMP. I'm not talking about cardboard MLRS and semi-stationary howitzers

[Krasnodar]

I agree, as a moving firearms - beauty. But as a shock fist for a breakthrough, I don’t know. I think no rather than yes

[Crimean partisan 1974]

But as a shock fist for a breakthrough, I don’t know ... in Grozny the T-72 showed unprecedented survivability miracles, snatching 10 -15 hits of anti-tank weapons and staying in service, and the ceiling was 24 hits. what did he get out of the environment after the escape of the last on his turn and after repair remained in service, so here the grandmother said two

[Krasnodar]

The question is, what did they shoot in Grozny. If with cornets - I agree.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The question is, what was being fired at in Grozny. If you are with cornet, I agree ....... if you believe what was in stock at the time in Chechnya. then there were probably no cornet, but the full range of shots to RPG-7 and ATGM Fagot, given the fact that from RPG-7 the lion's share of burned Abrov and the destruction of Abrov in Fagotov in Yemen from the first shot. T-72 looks like a very, very mean breakthrough tank

[Krasnodar]

Honestly, I don’t know what happened in Yemen, but the RPG-7 in Bethlehem pulled into the area of ​​the undercarriage of the old M-60. It was in the early 2000s. The M-60 both rode and continued. This is what I know.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

RPG-7 in Bethlehem pulnul in the area of ​​the chassis of the old man M-60. It was in the early 2000s. M-60 as he rode, and continued ...... in the course of a training shot he grumbled. near Saur Mogila the shot of the TG-7VL (the most common) the armored vehicles had no chance of survival, there is another beast shot to the seven of the PG-7VR (tandem), well, now you can shoot at the top of the seven of the TBG, you can’t even hit the target it’s necessary, 100 meters to the goal is enough to demolish all the optics from armored vehicles and so on, and already there to modify the ancient PTRD and PTRS 14.5 mm, with the T-64 it rolled. but the CT-72 must be restrained

[Krasnodar]

The merkavas in Lebanon were mostly burned from the Cornets; in Gaza, with the presence of KAZ, all the rules - nothing came of it. The question is, what if, immediately, 4-5 of these will be fired by tandem charges. Or at short intervals.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The question is, what if, immediately, 4-5 of these will be fired by tandem charges. ..... Well, here the competence of the unit commander influences strongly, an ATGM attack that would create a metal-gas dust structure so that neither KAZ nor AZ could react, letting in a obviously stationary ATGM object or wait until combat protection crowded around the armored vehicles, then AZ and KAZ will be disabled and opa ......

[Krasnodar]

The question is a large tank attack and camouflaged infantry with ATGMs. The question is whether it is advisable to attack with a large number of tanks. Hence the question - do you need a large number of tanks

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The question is a large tank attack ...... and this is at the discretion of the command. if not needed then God be with him. and if it was necessary to get bored in the Ilovaysky cauldron and near Debaltseve, then it was so, another thing banderlog threw armored vehicles to the bummer. in the fissure. an incomplete platoon, this is about 2 T-64 tanks according to ukomerke, but in the USSR the T-64 was considered as a breakthrough tank in the division. this is about 300 tanks in a tank shaft. noooooo. have but

[Krasnodar]

There are probably a lot of mess in the APU

[Crimean partisan 1974]

There are probably a lot of mess in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...... yes, without, probably, this is the most instructive military mess

[Vanches]

Ahahaha well, how many Abrams were destroyed from the bassoons and RPG7? Google Iraq 23 pieces Yemen 12 pieces of which less than half were destroyed from RPGs. For comparison, in Ukraine alone there are more than 64 T220 units, of which more than half have thrown a tower and torn to pieces, Syria having no analogs has a T72 turret, more than 300 tanks have torn into the trash, a serious pancake breakthrough tank
Even at the Bauman University they offered a normal modernization of our tanks, but after all, we are more expensive !!! how can tanks be done like in the West? ((

[Vadim237]

Now there are kamikaze drones - they can also fight with enemy armored vehicles.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

"Zanzibars with Kolohars" of the USSR military equipment ....... well, not everything is so deplorable, it can even be honorable, for example, a Kalash is depicted on the state lag of Mozambique, and even with a bayonet knife, the coat of arms of the same Zhezimbabwe also with a Kalash, also Burkina Faso and western Timor, along the way, this is not limited, at the moment there are many quasi-states. you look somewhere and the T-90 will be marked on the flag

[Mountain shooter]

The equipment is tested in real battles. It is a pity that in such, and against the old Soviet, but combat experience is combat experience ... There is no substitute for it ...

[rocket757]

As the Vietnamese portal Soha points out (not to be confused with a Chinese resource with a similar name), it is obvious that the Vietnamese military was not mistaken in purchasing the T-90, making the right choice in favor of an “extremely efficient” tank.

We make good armor. A clear warning to all zealous!

[Livonetc]

However, the barmalei have a lot of tanks

[aszzz888]

Livonetc (Gennady) Today, 07:04 AM NEW
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However, the barmalei have a lot of tanks

Like those who supply them with these tanks.

[Livonetc]

I did not notice the information about the supplies of tanks to them.
He believed that it was previously "squeezed" from the CAA and from previously captured storage bases.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Like those who supply them with these tanks .... it’s not at all obligatory to supply, it’s enough to let them take it. The IS arrived in Syria from Iraq, which is now ownerless and boundless (if you can still call it under-state) and there’s a dime a dozen him (good) not just that you don’t even have to pay money with barter, backwaters and go for a drive, but there are conditions, you need to have a gang with a couple dozen zinc to your PC so that others do not squeeze out the good

[otstoy]

They don’t have 30 T-55s, but no T-62s at all. Vietnamese magazines threw a blank diso about this fight. Or get stoned by something.

[Nastia makarova]

what nonsense !!! in the Syrian army more than 300 of these tanks

[Nastia makarova]

Now you are a Ukrainian going to the ban, the road is there for you

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Now you are a Ukrainian going to the ban ... Do not be so upset. it already survives in a bathhouse for life, like a cockroach. it’s easier to ask him the question of what are the losses of tanks in the university or even his atoms, obviously they don’t know the information, but they know in the DPR and LPR

[Nastia makarova]

due to inadequacy, I'm not upset)))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Journalists write that the militants lost 35 T-55 and T-62 ... read it, you read where the IS in Syria came from and what it came on, in Iraq there were more than 4000 tanks left after the second Iraqi, of which "tanks for every occasion" that is, simple and a lot of ammunition, made up the T-55 and T-62, there were problems with the T-72 mod A. the tank needed a qualified crew

[Nastia makarova]

how much more was taken from Assad !!! then the tank is not always completely destroyed, after the battle you can restore

[Crimean partisan 1974]

then the tank is not always completely destroyed, ........ in partisan conditions it is practically impossible to restore the tank, starting from engines, transmissions and chassis to aiming equipment. this is not counting the fact that the gun was not damaged in any way or had not been bent after being withdrawn from combat readiness. that is, adjustment is not possible, so no, the tanks and all other armored vehicles are chasing from Iraq, there are a lot of them

[Nastia makarova]

whole underground plants are at the bottom)))) cartridges, shells, mines, weapons, they make everything themselves

[Crimean partisan 1974]

whole underground plants are at the bottom ........ there are no factories there, for that is, a bottomless storehouse of military depots. Saddam left a lot of things. and he’s chuckling from heaven now

[Nastia makarova]

factories in syria, in youtube full of videos how to make shells, artillery, restore tanks

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I’m insisting, telling me not to fumble on YouTube, I have pretty serious sources of information abruptly than any YouTube, you know whether I even made houses and cards in the distant 80s, business, postcard. threads. a box of matches and the main ingredient is a mixture. minium + silver, manganese (potassium permanganate) + silver, less often but an effective mixture of magnesium with silver, though magnesium still needs to be put into a powder state, but the tanks .......... how did you assemble the bent gun repair ????? replace with a donor? . just don’t tell about tank restoration

[Donald72]

Do not jellied, the tank does not have citizenship, only the owner has it. This alien t-90 is beating alien t-55. Our country built them and earned them. And if they fight in French and in German tanks, then we will have to change clothes.

[Horon]

The sword that the blacksmith forged is beautiful
And it’s not his fault that evil took possession of the sword!

[Amateur]

Quote: tracer

It's a shame that our tanks are at war with ours.

They are not fighting tanks, but people from crews. And the more tanks they burn from each other, the UVZ is more profitable - they will buy more new ones.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Air Force

I saw the video where the praised abrams and leopards are on fire, I saw how in T90 from TOW they were fucking and normal.

it's not about the name of the tank, but about the protection. not ? if the latest Afghani complexes were installed on our tanks, the picture would be even funnier. but ... do not believe it ... EXPENSIVE. more expensive than the life of the crew and equipment!

[otstoy]

Some nonsense. Information on tank battles on December 19-22 did not skip over one Internet channel. There were attacks of fighters, but they use tanks only in defense. And even in total they do not have so many tanks, especially T-62. And the Syrian army does not have 10 T-90s.

[72jora72]

There were attacks of fighters, but they use tanks only in defense. And even in total they do not have so many tanks, especially T-62. And the Syrian army does not have 10 T-90s.

At the "peak of power", the Ishilovites had only one Abrams M1A1 tanks of about 140 units, the T-55 (these were captured from the Syrian military bases) had about 170 units, etc. There is even one T-90, which was captured from the Syrian army this spring.

[voyaka uh]

There are no and never were ISIS in Idlib. There are fighting their competitors (and deadly
enemies) Nusra (formerly Al Qaeda) and other Islamists resettled from Homs and Damascus.
Plus Turkoman and the Free Syrian Army.

[voyaka uh]

“And even in total they do not have as many tanks, especially the T-62.
And the Syrian army does not have 10 T-90 "////
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The Syrian army has about a dozen. It was 12-15. Were beaten off by militants
and then destroyed by the Syrian army, were damaged by ATGM militants.
Just 10 should stay.
The militants in Idlib have dozens of tanks. And even among them are several Leopards,
transferred by Turkey.
But there is no data on tank-against-tank battles. Videos and pictures of tanks haven’t appeared yet,
affected by obps.

[otstoy]

There were 15 T-90s in the Syrian army. They were initially delivered no more than 10 and then reported a loss of at least 3 units. In fact, over 4 years, combat and non-combat losses should be large and combat-ready T-90 there remains a maximum of 3-4 units.

[7,62x54]

Again, the savory Vietnamese experts argue ....

[Professor]

In addition to conventional forces, 10 T-90S units were used, which operated under the cover of Mi-35 attack helicopters. They managed to destroy 30 rebel tanks, mainly T-55 and T-62.

Do not be shy. Not 30, but 300, and mostly Abrams and Merkava.

[Pacifist with AK]

Yeah, and not the same, but the planes didn’t knock down but were repelled, and not in Syria, but in Oklahoma .... Guten Morgen, professor, has already woken up?

[MoJloT]

Not 30, but 300, and mostly Abrams and Merkava.

This is in the next part of the Marleson ballet. You can collect the crew while in a pension fund.

[Voyager]

and 300 and mostly Abrams and Merkava.

To exaggerate their successes on the battlefield is the prerogative of the main Western countries. Do not ascribe to us other people's sins.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The T-90 would still be for Syriacs with KAZ and a ram sight with a 12,7 machine gun - there would generally be fire.

Whatever the tigers would be given a pair of T-90M with KAZ for testing, it certainly would not be worse than the previous versions of the T-90, and so the KAZ would be checked in a combat situation.

The best advertisement would be, these tanks with KAZ and KAZ separately then scattered like hot cakes and would go more actively into our army.

If there was money, I would have paid it to them from my pocket with delivery.

Well, obviously, why doesn’t itch in this direction ?!

And then I thought about why tank masks and underwear are not made for tankers ?! Like for racing drivers. Even in the fleet of some countries (Britain, Venezuela), sailors in special balaclavas protect themselves from fire for some time, but the tankers have nothing of the kind.

How hard simple and effective solutions come to life.

[Professor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And then I thought about why tank masks and underwear are not made for tankers ?!

Do CEP.

[Pecheneg]

What kind of tank battle? I did not hear or read anything anywhere.

[otstoy]

So it is clear that the Syrian state channel broadcast propaganda to citizens in the ears. The Vietnamese picked up because bought a bunch of T-90 and now we need to justify the purchase. And the Military Review sucked up this fake, without even checking through independent channels. It is characteristic that besides VO, no one bought on such a clumsy fake.

[Free wind]

And why should I turn on the IR projectors on the tank?

[Tokhtamysh]

Yes, everyone knows that the Vietnamese are the largest tank specialists in the world. Therefore, their opinion is especially valuable.

[voyaka uh]

It would be interesting to see any videos of how the T-90 of the Syrian army hits T-62 or T-55 militants.

[Victorio]

Quote: voyaka uh

It would be interesting to see any videos of how the T-90 of the Syrian army hits T-62 or T-55 militants.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMPykgYyjFw пока вот их на прочность проверяют

[Ax Matt]

What is their terminology there? What "rebels" ?! I'll see what they call them when this filth crawls to them in Vietnam ...

[Arthur 85]

Nothing ... Was that true?

[Alexey G]

Yes well done Vietnamese! They write well about our technology, right!
Recently I wrote on the blackboard in the classroom "C75 Dvina" and asked two young Vietnamese cadets to answer the question what it is and why I asked them. We thought for 2 minutes. They said that the Vietnamese people will always remember the help of Russian friends and senior comrades.