To whom did the fallen PR fighter harm?

To whom did the fallen PR fighter harm?

With regard to the fallen Su-57, such a sensation arose. Say, almost a cross on the entire program, the first production copy and all that. Zrada, as it is.


True, it is not entirely clear why such a noise. Airplanes are falling. Moreover, they do this systematically and regularly, regardless of the country of origin and destination. Just falling.

For comparison: F-22 in similar situations there were 10 times, plus sent two pilots to the other world. And nothing, no one screams to the whole world. F-35 thrice gasped to smithereens.

Everything is in order.

Moreover, since this is not about something serious for the country.

Someone can object now, how frivolously, the country's defense on the map, the plane crashed, everything is bad, the polymers are stealing ...

What, sorry, fell?

The PR fighter fell. Yes, this is a little unpleasant, because it is late for a year, but they should have been handed over to the New Year for the VKS. So what? What changed?

It's nothing.

To begin with, the first plane, in addition to political tasks, does not solve anything. As neither the second nor the tenth decides anything. Because they are all PR aircraft ...

Today, not the Su-57 is responsible for the safety of our air borders. It is assigned to the Su-35 and all the rest (Su-30, MiG-29SMT and so on). Derivative modifications are all from the same Su-27 and MiG-29.

Su-57 ... Well, it fell. Well, crashed. It happens. But this did not in any way affect the combat effectiveness of the country's aerospace forces. Actually, the first batch of 12 aircraft (squadron) - it is about nothing. Moreover, the first 10 of 12 aircraft will be assembled with engines of the "first stage".

Well, we can not yet establish the production of aircraft engines. It happens. We have sanctions, gas pipelines and a lot of things, not up to the engines.

The engine, according to the project with which the Su-57 could fly in supersonic sound without afterburner, is a necessary thing. But if we can’t, what now? Shoot yourself? Dismiss and imprison all involved?

Well, it’s complete, we have not the year 1937 in the yard. Not I said, the president said!

There is no radar with AFAR ...

Okay, H036, which is “Squirrel,” was shown at the MAKS in 2009. Solemnly and with all the relying cries of “Urya!” In 2019, “Army 2019” was shown again. They said it was about to be.

Is it really so hard to wait until 2029? Well, for sure it will be! And then we will reveal to the whole world our real fifth-generation fighter, and then we’ll bend, and repeat everything else.

In short, shiver, the whole world. Russians are coming.

In the meantime, normal generation 4 fighters, spent and studied, which are the Su-35, will cope with the tasks of protection and defense. And the under-plane of the incomplete generation, which the Su-57, will quite wait until it is brought to mind. And today, in fact, the next modification of the Su-27, which is the fact of the Su-57, is neither needed nor interesting to anyone.

They said: while the Su-35 is relevant, it is not necessary to tear on the British flag.

And nobody will be torn, the most important thing. First of all, it is not needed by the videoconferencing, this Su-57. It really just is not needed, because after 15 or 20 years, when it takes its final form, other pilots will have to be trained for it. These, today's, will be retired for a long time.

In addition, let's honestly and frankly recall, for whom was this PR fighter made at all?

It was made for those who want to buy it. That is, it was developed in cooperation with India, which was going to exploit it, and then it was supposed to sell it, well, to those who can not master the construction of the aircraft, but can pay.

In fact, the fifth generation of the Su-57 is not yet. Until there is a radar with AFAR and a normal engine. What the Indians quickly understood and dumped from the project.

The result is a plane that no one needs. We do not need, we are better armed. Hindus do not need them the fifth generation give. In general, no one needs anything, the guys from Peru were babbling about buying 3 (THREE !!!!) airplanes, and about a dozen Vietnam “expressed interest”.

The queue for the Su-57 somehow very quickly resolved thanks to the Indian partners, who timely shared information on how Su-57 corresponds to the fifth generation.

On the other hand, we don’t know who these brave guys are? We know perfectly. So there is nothing surprising in the behavior of our Indian partners. Everything is natural.

So, the Su-57 was built by order, in cooperation and for the Indians, Arabs and South Americans. Moreover, let's really look at things: from the very beginning we were told about the "export potential" and all that, no one said that thousands would build it for the videoconferencing.

It was you and I who began to yell, which we also needed. And yes, I myself also adored this chorus.

Well, now, when it turned out that the whole world of the Su-57 to put it mildly, is not needed, what remains? That's right, bring to mind, still put a normal engine, a normal radar, finish it, once the funds and resources have been spent, and sell to ourselves.

And what a normal option. To make a fighter from a PR fighter in this way.

In general, we have too many “unparalleled in the world” with the prefix of this development. There is a PR tank. There is PR-BMP and PR-BTR based on PRtank. There is a PR underwater drone. There is a PR nuclear horseradish.

And yes, there is a PR fighter.

To remove this frankly mocking prefix is ​​a good thing and, perhaps, even useful for the country. That's just really not in a hurry. Quickly, only bad deeds are done, such as a PR atomic aircraft carrier and a PR atomic destroyer.

But if something is wrong, a radar with AFAR, or the engine is there - you need to calmly. Something like the engines for our ships. Slowly, with feeling, really, with arrangement.

Where, one asks, are we in a hurry? What is for Russia with its millennial history the extra 20 years spent on building the ship? Yes, a trifle, dust in the wind.

The main thing is that everything that really should guard and preserve our peace does not go to ashes. This is a more urgent task than PR projects of military managers.

So the appearance of the first "serial" Su-57 was pure PR. Advertising, which is known to be the engine of commerce.

So nothing but the ability to shove a half-fifth generation plane crashed. The main thing is that the pilot catapulted and would be alive and well. The rest is slag and PR. Still rivet.

And yes, no damage has been done to our defenses. This is also important. And the reputation ... C'mon, it's a bargain. We still have so many opportunities ahead, with a PR bomber and a PR attack aircraft, for example.

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  1. Uncle lee 4 January 2020 04: 38 New
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    many "unparalleled in the world"
    And how many “PRs” we have! .. You’ll be tormented to count!
    1. Ross xnumx 4 January 2020 05: 33 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And how many “PRs” we have! .. You’ll be tormented to count!

      And how many “piarasts” we have with the country, - you’re tormenting yourself. No matter how much they are taught at the HSE, no matter how much they are educated, only their hands hurt and the cart is in place ...
      laughing
      1. 210ox 4 January 2020 06: 16 New
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        It’s good that the pilot is alive. And about PR, Roman could not. He is now all over the world.
        1. Ross xnumx 4 January 2020 06: 29 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          It’s good that the pilot is alive.

          You know, I always rejoice from the heart that people survive in accidents and catastrophes. For sure in the absolute truth of words:
          Each accident has a name, surname and position

          And I am firmly convinced that people who experience, exploit, and verify this “something”, as well as those who use this “raw dish”, should not die because of someone else’s fault ... yes
          And I also know that in order to stop such accidents, it is necessary to remove from the chain of manufacturers the “hand-” and “head-necked” ...
          In short, it’s time to drive these “non-brothers” - people with whom I don’t feel like joining hands. We do not call the sun with them ... Only troubles and misfortunes ...
          hi
          1. 210ox 4 January 2020 06: 34 New
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            And whom do you think are “not brothers”? Hard workers in factories, supposedly designers who didn’t see computer games besides computer games? So normal dispersed about fifteen years ago, and some even earlier. And they need to be cooked. Only here the youth does not go there.
            1. Ross xnumx 4 January 2020 06: 39 New
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              Quote: 210ox
              And whom do you think are "not brothers"

              In the words of Zadornov, “non-brothers” are those who did not participate in the general event, when in ancient Russia people held hands and led round dances, invoking the Sun and Spring.
              Therefore, no one will dare to join hands with an official or an “effective manager” there to lead round dances and call ...
              Who and what? Attack your head?
              It is in this sense ...
              hi
            2. frei67 4 January 2020 07: 37 New
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              But with hard workers in general a complete caput. In my city there are three enterprises working in the aircraft industry. There were 4 vocational schools preparing turners for milling fitter. Now they are gone.
              1. bober1982 4 January 2020 20: 41 New
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                Quote: frei67
                But with hard workers in general a complete caput.

                Quote: frei67
                There were 4 vocational schools preparing turners for milling fitter. Now they are gone.

                In Soviet times, the GPTU was just this very kaput, a gathering of juvenile delinquents.
                1. frei67 4 January 2020 21: 43 New
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                  I just unlearned this. neither sat nor was attracted. so do not exaggerate. in techies and universities dunce no less
                2. 9lvariag 4 January 2020 22: 58 New
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                  Part of it is. But when in the 1950s it was conceived from the FZU, many good engineers came out, and not just the Anatoly Dyatlovs who blew up the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
                  1. vadimtt 4 January 2020 23: 39 New
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                    What does Woodpeckers have to do with it? Then start with Kurchatov
                    with their crooked regulations and a complete lack of understanding of the work of distributed microzones, which is essentially RBMK.
                    1. 9lvariag 4 January 2020 23: 58 New
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                      I cited Dyatlov as an example - like grief - a graduate of FZU. And you at NIKIET, you took the very bearded tops from ISAG-7. And this is only approximate, according to the results of the NPPP and the investigation by 1991 - of these very results. Not for the sake of offtopic and flooding, you write about the blender closed with repair plates in Harisburg. And then we'll talk about the Legas fragmentation of ABY and other security. Let’s talk about LAES-75, where Mikhail Karrask from that Sredmash has skill and luck was higher on the experimental in fact 1EBthan with many people who later wrote letters to newspapers and Putin - about the unique Sosovoborsky Heroism and medals to the initiators of this gouging, bully Type Eperina. About the years 1975-76, the AMB-200 and V.Kupnoy for whom the 2nd EB worked for 25 minutes, well, without the MCP in general (at a small emergency standstill) and remained for some reason, intact! About 1982 and 2EB - which were regulated by repair workers at the 2EB ChNPP, the same experienced engineer-mechanic for reactor automation, from 21 laboratories ... repeat About ZAES-1985, when they started up the 5EB for the holiday, with the emergency valve open and plowed for half an hour ALL WITHOUT WATER in VVR? And then THREE serious emergency situations, with one director at ONE nuclear power plant and one commissioning and commissioning director, near the capital of the Ukrainian SSR, and one disaster! And you have gentlemen copy-paste from the Internet, the channel grid pitch is not the same. am hi
                      PS: you are not angry with me and do not consider offtopic and flood. drinks It’s just that the mothers of energy from the Pipe and the heads of the NIKIET departments from the couch have already gotten into the region. In particular, our little brothers from Ukraine and the Baltic states - there are mostly academicians friends, daughters of academician Legasov and heads of Asmolov in the comments.
                      1. vadimtt 5 January 2020 00: 50 New
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                        You wrote a bit too much, especially about VVR, which is not RBMK wink . On the topic, only ISAG was mentioned. Which is too formal and biased. The battle about what happened at the Chernobyl NPP is still flaring up on specialized resources and they don’t see the end. Some even died during this time (the same Pripyat. Com). But in any case, the destruction of the switchgear when you enter (no matter what, intermittent or constant) the AZ-5 is the flight of the designers and the chief designer, whatever you say (and they didn’t worry about mom spinning). Here, probably, it’s not worth it to particularly discuss it, I propose to do it at least for atominfo.

                        PS: I’m not angry, considering that it’s not a power engineer at all. I am simply long and strongly interested in nuclear energy in all its manifestations. And I have my own opinion on the Chernobyl-86 issue. And it may not be true hi
                      2. 9lvariag 5 January 2020 01: 12 New
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                        I wrote a lot about the culture of the exploiters in Sredmash. And even more so gouging in the energy of the Ukrainian SSR.
                        The destruction or jamming of the rods of AZ, PP, AR or other systems was only a post factum of the fact that by the time of the curvature of these rods the ALREADY reactor had ceased to be a complete power plant and became a dirty heat bomb. You contradict even those people who themselves operated RBMK, like Karanov or were leaders at nuclear power plants - like Kupny.
                        AZ-5 and what? In general, short and long rods of AR and PP, you can see in the pictures of the A-3 IMHO reactor in Ozersk and Serersk (SCK) extensions also hang there, as well as milling cutters for breaking the first TCs from duralumin. So back in the late 1960s, such control rods were available on reactors! And they were widely used on Sredmash! Were also on AE, ABM! I’m in scrap to look for links to such photos on my blog from one of the stalkers YOU will find them.
                        By the way: about the non-overloaded TK, which everyone even writes in NIKIET jambs in their student monographs and writes that NIKIET simply did it with this - you haven't a word ?! And why?
                        About the bigger jamb with disabled SAOR, AR and LAR - you are not a googo in your post. Well, okay, I won’t offtop and spam the branch. But at such a mastodon, the zonal adjustments in the machine, and not by the “scientific stick” method, as in the April experiment, and automatically holding the water level in the unit and damping the atom could save the power unit! After all, all the salt that Fominykh did not understand in the NPPP is that in the accident at the Leningrad NPP power unit in 1975, the defense systems did EVERYTHING, just against SIUR and SIUB, the championship on dobodilizm in Sredmash of the USSR!
                      3. vadimtt 5 January 2020 09: 47 New
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                        You have too much water. How would SOAR help? Nothing, it's beyond design basis accident. AR? AR does not work at low capacities by definition. LAR, according to the regulations, can be used or can be turned off. Operational personnel did not violate any provision of the regulation. Although, formally, there was one violation - OZR was not sustained, but this is not a critical parameter, especially considering that it is calculated and is considered to be a Rock once every 15 minutes.

                        PS: All significant improvements to RBMK control systems were carried out immediately after the 86th year, which, as it were, smells really bad. Yes, and the rules were also rewritten (and more than once).

                        PS2: Everyone remained unconvinced. If there is a desire, I propose to continue to atominfo in the appropriate branch after the Chernobyl accident.

                        hi
            3. antivirus 7 January 2020 21: 59 New
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              just this very kaput, a gathering of juvenile delinquents.

              a thing of the past - BUT WHERE WAS THERE THEM? WHAT TO DO - WINDOWS TO SET AND HOW NOW. PUMP IN ALL TIMES POSSIBLE WITHOUT EDUCATION
        2. itarnmag 4 January 2020 07: 52 New
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          About the "supposedly designers." I have a friend who has worked all his life as an installer in the Yuzhuralalelectromontazh trust. Then he was removed (and otherwise shoved out) to retire, and in his place they took a young one. And a few years later my friend began to persuade them to return to work, because young "supposedly adjusters" like to sit at computers, but they are reluctant to climb cranes
          1. Goldmoskit 4 January 2020 15: 53 New
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            This depends on the direct manager (tubercle or master) and his "ability to competently persuade" the employee to fulfill his duties in a responsible manner. :-)
            1. sharp-lad 4 January 2020 19: 12 New
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              To demand high-quality and responsible (one follows from the other) performance of the work, it is necessary to adequately and commensurate with the work performed, pay for its implementation! hi
        3. sgrabik 4 January 2020 15: 34 New
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          Well, so that talented young people go to techies, it is urgent to change priorities with all the ensuing consequences, otherwise we have only lawyers, economists and "effective" managers of different stripes since the 90s are considered prestigious professions, about which then talented designers , engineers and technologists can speak in such an absurd state of affairs.
          1. nickname7 4 January 2020 19: 05 New
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            so that talented young people go to techies, it is urgent to change priorities

            And here are the priorities, the techie needs a factory, of which there are fewer, some shopping centers. And since the industry is not needed, techies are not needed. Or do you offer to cook unemployed? Or for abroad?
    2. Stas157 4 January 2020 11: 22 New
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      Quote: 210ox
      And about PR, Roman could not.

      I agree with Roman. Someone can name modern samples of purely Russian military equipment that began massively release over the past 30 years after the collapse of the USSR? Hardly. By virtue of its size, all these samples are just can (necessary) called PR.

      Su-57, the first flight was 10 years ago. There were official reports that it would take another 3-5 years to finalize. Fifteen years, how many? And according to the "tradition" it is likely to move to the right. Ten years have passed, but there is no engine, no radar ... The same with VNEU. After all, every year they promised that it was about!
      This PR everywhere and in everything does not give hope, does not give serious about promises and news.
      1. Spart55 4 January 2020 12: 49 New
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        I usually don’t interfere with conversations, I just read the comments.
        But then hooked.
        And who is most to blame for ultra-PR, i.e. essentially fake PR? Are not the patriots who are abundant on the resource?
        Didn’t they shout here louder than everyone that the Su-57 is precisely the fifth generation airplane! Even with the engines of the first version! We all plugged in the belt "drying"! Where is the 35th before him! We did everything! We are the coolest!
        And here comes a more or less sensible article. Which lucidly explains why the Indians left in due time from this mega project. Why the aircraft does not have a second-stage engine and some other gadgets, without which it cannot be considered a fifth-generation aircraft. And in general, it suddenly turns out that nobody needs a plane in this form. That's so raw, unfinished.
        But for some reason I don’t hear the reviews of the patriots. Where are their counterarguments?
        1. bober1982 4 January 2020 14: 29 New
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          Quote: Spart55
          But for some reason I don’t hear reviews from cheers

          Skororokhov deleted comments.
          Quote: Spart55
          And here comes a more or less sensible article

          At the level of sofa hamsters, at best.
        2. bayard 4 January 2020 18: 55 New
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          Of course, I don’t consider myself a “cheer-patriot”, but the author went over with sarcasm.
          Especially about the engines. The AL-41F parameters are quite consistent with the F-22 engines, and their maximum after-thrust of 9500 kg / s is quite sufficient to maintain supersonic speed for a long time. The maximum thrust on the afterburner is approximately equal to that of the F-22.
          The Su-57 itself is superior in speed and range to the F-22.
          Where does such sadness come from without "Product-30"?
          And the thing is that this engine of the second stage corresponds most likely not to the 5th, but to the 6th generation. Being equivalent to the F-35 engine in terms of traction characteristics, it is one and a half times lighter, and in comparison with the latest - the most advanced and most lightweight version of this unit. 1200 \ 1250 kg. against 1750 kg. And this is an indicator of specific thrust - thrust per kilogram of own weight.
          It is clear that the refinement of such a revolutionary engine (there is also a variable contour), requires very serious work and time, and the emergency calls here are superfluous. It sometimes seems to me that its (“Izd-30”) power for the Su-57 may turn out to be excessive - 19500 kg / s in duplicate (18000 kg / s in gentle mode), this is not a joke. In this case, he may not include boost after all ...

          Another thing is that the very concept of a “5th generation aircraft” is now in question. Complexity, high cost, difficulties in servicing, led to the fact that a combat fighter, which is a consumable material in a war, suddenly became an extremely expensive toy for the richest, who are afraid to send something to battle - such money will burn away at once ... Like battleships in PMV.

          And "Squirrel" ... here, it’s more likely a misfortune with its own elemental base, and that’s why other programs stand. Who last heard of the A-100? And about the modernization of the available A-50? But aircraft AWACS are now needed as air.

          Well, PR is now a common disease ... widespread ... And very annoying.
          1. 9lvariag 4 January 2020 23: 01 New
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            Well, at least someone does not bring down "bricks" but competently analyzes the content of the article.
          2. mvg
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            Parameters AL-41F are consistent with the engines F-22

            for a minute, f-22 for 34 years ...
            1. bayard 5 January 2020 18: 01 New
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              And nevertheless, he is still the only 5th generation fighter in all basic respects. Only he has a stable "cruising supersonic" in combination with stealth and internal placement of weapons.
              And, by the way, the AL-41F engine is not less than years old, it was still being prepared for the MiG “five”.
        3. nickname7 4 January 2020 19: 17 New
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          I remember one time, they were broadcasting reports about the “Swift” aerobatic team; the announcers almost cried out of joy, what asses. But it turned out that on one US aircraft carrier there are more planes and pilots with high air raids than in the whole of Russia.
          The authorities are engaged in rubbing points, using the methods of marketing, advertising and PR, and the king is naked, in fact.
        4. dirk182 4 January 2020 19: 52 New
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          They ran away training manuals to update
      2. sgrabik 4 January 2020 15: 45 New
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        F-22, the Americans, too, were brought to condition, modernized and improved for more than 10 years, this process continued until the cessation of production of this aircraft, why do you think that the Su-57 should be brought to full condition in less time, given that this technique is completely of another level, much more complex and perfect than everything that was produced by our aircraft industry for the entire time of its existence ???
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          Quote: sgrabik
          this process went on until terminationthis plane

          No))
          Work with F22 continues now. Electronics and software are unified with the penguin, wherever possible, and the penguin itself is constantly evolving.
      3. Igor Aviator 4 January 2020 18: 13 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Fifteen years, how many? And according to the "tradition" it is likely to move to the right. Ten years have passed, but there is no engine, no radar ...

        Yeah! Threw on the fan nobly! And, most importantly - through one, if not everyone, they imagine themselves to be “experts”! And they themselves don’t even know which side of the plane to approach. And it is believed that the fighter SHTURVAL is controlled. If only they would read literature, or something, so as not to disgrace. Why didn’t the SU-57 please you? It has been developed for a long time? So name what modern fighter was developed faster! Like, the engine is "not the same" - and you know that with this engine the SU-57 develops supersonic speed WITHOUT USING afterburner modes? maneuverability is not enough? and with “this” engine (1st stage), the Su-57 is even better than the SU-35 in terms of maneuverability! Radar you "wrong"? and with this, he, as a fighter, surpasses any other aircraft (the probable enemy). I understand that the majority, in fact, do not give a damn - the main thing is to check in on the site, grab the hype. But I, as a person who has given up (nearly) 30 years of service in fighter aviation, are tired of reading the illiterate ravings of "experts" like Skomorokhov, who have NO relation, not only to aviation, but also to the Armed Forces in general! Only capable of something that would be “beautiful” to be foul with a grandiloquent syllable! One would like to say, "Have you opened your mouth to a skin?" On good - the face would be broken (at a meeting)! Okay, let’s take that lucky bastard! In general, the site has turned into a liberal HELP!
        1. nickname7 4 January 2020 19: 27 New
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          I’m tired of reading the illiterate ravings of “experts” like Skomorokhov,

          It’s not a matter of other ravings, the fact is that no need to share the skin of a dead bear while the Su-57 is not ready, do not boast, experimental samples, do it slowly, bring it. Put in the troops, and there you can boast. They do not criticize the plane, they criticize the authorities for fraud.
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          With the site all the rules. But the know-how, when the plane under the engine got bogged down ... .it is yes, I would say "real supersonic without afterburner") although what really is there. We have ships without power plants. We use some method of designing that has no analogues in the world.
        3. bober1982 4 January 2020 20: 10 New
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          Quote: Igor Aviator
          In general, the site has turned into a liberal HELP!

          He was like that, the guys just started to cheek cheekily, or they are being driven by employers.
        4. Stas157 4 January 2020 20: 34 New
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          Quote: Igor Aviator
          What modern fighter was developing faster!

          The first one, F-35. 2006 first flight. 2012 start of operation. Now about 500 pieces are riveted.
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          Do you know that with this engine the SU-57 develops supersonic speed WITHOUT USING afterburner modes? maneuverability is not enough?

          Yes, no one argues with this. What do you want to refute? Your colleague correctly pointed out to you:
          Quote: nickname7
          They do not criticize the plane, they criticize the authorities for fraud.

          Quote: Igor Aviator
          I, as a person who has given up (nearly) 30 years of service in fighter aircraft, tired of

          Tired - do not read. Nobody thinks to belittle your advantages here. Disagree, write - as it really is. After all, this is precisely why the forum exists. But not so, but within the framework of the rules (decency at least).
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          "Who did you open your mouth to, skin?"For good - face to smash (at the meeting)! Okay, let’s take that lucky bastard!

          Why are you lucky? I ask in PM. I will throw off the contacts. And well. Do not deny yourself anything.

          One thing is not clear who and where you managed to insult so much that you were so destabilized.
    3. Svarog 5 January 2020 10: 14 New
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      And about PR, Roman could not. He is now all over the world.

      All right, PR, nothing more than advertising. It is necessary to advertise a product, but only you need to advertise a finished product, not a raw glider. In general, until the machine entered service with the troops, it should be kept secret. And it turns out that if you compare it with a car, you’ve made a case, but inside it’s empty .. but you’ve already made it out
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    Quote: ROSS 42
    And how many “piarasts” we have with the country, - you’re tormenting yourself. No matter how much they are taught at the HSE, no matter how much they are educated, only their hands hurt and the cart is in place ...

    Skomorokhov in Russia excess , and even in Ukraine, my friend, even the president of Ukraine, pan Zelensky buffoon, won! Hard workers, as always lacking.
    1. 30143 4 January 2020 09: 39 New
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      And where does Ukraine have to do with it? I’ve thought about it, if they hadn’t signed gas transit, how would the budget be reduced? There is no production that could bring the same money!
      Therefore, we went to bow, I can’t find another word for Naftogaz ...
      Which means money doesn't smell.
      And all the words ... there, dogs, they make a noise ... Noise, din, but went out into the street - life goes on.
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        Losses, dear, there are 15 billion green. What are the budgets.
    2. Svarog 5 January 2020 10: 25 New
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      Quote: 30 vis
      There are a lot of buffoons in Russia, and even in Ukraine, there’s even the president of Ukraine, pan Zelensky buffoon! Hard workers, as always lacking.

      And why do you get personal, what's wrong with the article? Isn't that true?
      The engine, according to the project with which the Su-57 could fly in supersonic sound without afterburner, is a necessary thing. But if we can’t, what now? Shoot yourself? Dismiss and imprison all involved?

      Well, it’s complete, we have not the year 1937 in the yard. Not I said, the president said!

      There is no radar with AFAR ...

      Okay, H036, which is “Squirrel,” was shown at the MAKS in 2009. Solemnly and with all the relying cries of “Urya!” In 2019, “Army 2019” was shown again. They said it was about to be.

      Is it really so hard to wait until 2029? Well, for sure it will be!


      In general, we have too many “unparalleled in the world” with the prefix of this development. There is a PR tank. There are PR-BMP and PR-BTR based on the PR tank. There is a PR underwater drone. There is a PR nuclear horseradish.
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        There are a lot of buffoons in Russia, and even in Ukraine, there’s even the president of Ukraine, pan Zelensky buffoon!

        Got it ... You are sorry for Vova Zelansky!
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    By the way, at the expense of the military space forces, there are air vehicles, but no spacecraft, I suggest rebranding SU 57On starship 57Then the VKS will justify its name, they will finally have spacecraft. The videoconferencing will be equipped with aircraft and starships.
  • Strashila 4 January 2020 06: 38 New
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    And this is not the most expensive PR, in comparison with the consequences of the same Mace.
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      the comparison and consequences of the same mace

      What are you not happy about with the R-30?
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        Flies only in one direction, east.
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          Offer to shoot north? lol Where else can the northern fleet shoot back?
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            In your Atlantic, Indian, our ships do not.
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              In your Atlantic, Indian, our ships do not.

              Since when did the Atlantic and Indian Ocean become the deployment areas of our SSBNs?
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                They were always on patrol there.
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                  They were always on patrol there.

                  SSBN? How interesting.
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                  You do not confuse with those who do not carry the R-30?
        2. Strashila 5 January 2020 11: 27 New
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          For those who doubted.
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2019/10/30/815127-rossiiskie-podlodki
          Russian submarines can only fire Bulava missiles from west to east
          For launches in the opposite direction, the modernization of the landfill in the Arkhangelsk region is needed.
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            Quote: Strashila
            For launches in the opposite direction, the modernization of the landfill in the Arkhangelsk region is needed.

            The landfill does not allow. And where is it written that the rocket is not able to fly west?
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    And in the WHOLE world, declare to the President that we’ll take it into service, are these also trifles ???
    Previously did not believe weather forecasters and politicians. And now I don’t even know who to believe.
  • Winnie76 4 January 2020 12: 24 New
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    Quote: Uncle Lee
    And how many “PRs” we have! .. You’ll be tormented to count!

    What about them? F22, F35, F117, B2, LCS, Zumvolt is not PR? EPR destroyers and bombers supposedly a tennis ball not PR?
    There is no AFAR on the Su-57, sob sob. Does he need this AFAR? I have a refrigerator without Internet access and the toilet is not connected to Wi-Fi. Does this mean that they are less functional? What is AFAR fundamentally better than PFAR? Dips in the radiation pattern? Well, put a piece of roofing iron in front of the PFAR canvas - the failures will be no worse. Meaning?
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      Quote: Winnie76
      What about them? F22, F35, F117, B2, LCS, Zumvolt is not PR? EPR destroyers and bombers supposedly a tennis ball not PR?
      There is no AFAR on the Su-57, sob sob. Does he need this AFAR? I have a refrigerator without Internet access and the toilet is not connected to Wi-Fi. Does this mean that they are less functional? What is AFAR fundamentally better than PFAR?


      Frantically plyusuyu !!
      Finally a reasonable person. And then most of the visitors to this site are victims of various advertising plots. They were told that AFAR is drop dead cool, so they rush with it. They say that AFAR is necessary. If it is not, then a hopeless lag.
      And the fact that serial VFDs have greater efficiency, a greater detection range, are half the cost, can practically all the same as AFAR do not interest them at all.
      They were told that AFAR is a prodigy and they unconditionally believed in it!
      But at the moment, PFAR surpasses AFAR in basic parameters. And inferior (and quite a bit) only in the sensitivity of signal reception. And even here one cannot confidently say whether it is good or bad. Because greater sensitivity implies greater vulnerability to interference.
      And in general, I am surprised by the huge percentage of hysterical infantiles on a seemingly patriotic site.
      What is the difference between a hysterical infantile and a normal person?
      A normal person, having learned that the state has made a decision, not what he expected (well, for example, to install PFAR on aircraft, and not AFAR), he thinks this:
      Thousands of groups worked on this topic, each of which is a million times more competent in this field than I am. And if they, as a result, made just such a decision, then most likely this solution is optimal. And most likely, this is something I DO NOT KNOW.

      How does the hysterical infantile react when it finds out that the state has made the wrong decision that he expected?
      Spit on how competent, those who made the decision. I don’t give a damn about what I know about this topic, I just read what I read in some advertising articles.
      I can't be wrong. So if they made not the decision that I WANTED, then:
      1) They could not do it. The Soviet legacy ended, lost competence and so on.
      2) Money is stolen, that’s what they produce different junk.
      3) There are all traitors / pests dreaming of destroying our country.

      The simplest solution, that they themselves are mistaken, will never occur to the hysterical infantiles in the head!
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        Quote: Serg4545
        definitely need AFAR. If it is not, then a hopeless lag.

        Ага.
        Quote: Serg4545
        Thousands of groups worked on this topic, each of which is a million times more competent in this field than I am. And if they, as a result, made just such a decision, then most likely this solution is optimal.

        Yeah. They made the decision that was completed during the USSR. And which was not completed - they did not accept, they didn’t.
        Quote: Serg4545
        1) They could not do it. The Soviet legacy ended, lost competence and so on.
        2) Money is stolen, that’s what they produce different junk.
        3) There are all traitors / pests dreaming of destroying our country.

        Yes, that’s it. Unless about "dreaming to destroy" bust, they do not care more or less. Just so convenient.
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          Quote: Octopus
          Ага.

          Quote: Octopus
          Yeah. They made the decision that was completed during the USSR. And which was not completed - they did not accept, they didn’t.

          Quote: Octopus
          Yes, that’s it. Unless about "dreaming to destroy" bust, they do not care more or less. Just so convenient.


          You are so charming!
          I don’t even need to comment on anything)
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        They say that AFAR is necessary. If it is not, then a hopeless lag.

        and the whole world is idiots. USA, France, China, England, only we are smart. normally. you can be so comforted until you turn blue
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      There is no AFAR on the Su-57, sob sob. Does he need this AFAR? I have a refrigerator without Internet access and the toilet is not connected to Wi-Fi. Does this mean that they are less functional? What is AFAR fundamentally better than PFAR?


  • max702 4 January 2020 13: 17 New
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    The author would have to get acquainted with the history of the creation of the SU-27 and enlighten about the engines for the MIG-29 for those that have been dopped for 20 years and only for the MIG-35 it seems to have finished .. And this is with the mighty USSR, and not in post-perestroika Russia with semi-external control, and the fact that today there are at least some new projects is the biggest miracle .. SU-57 plane of a completely different level to create its daunting task that two states on the planet are capable of flying .. the plane will fly everything will be fine, and with PR we are all right at the market without marketing in any way, it will be possible to suck in someone a crude airplane and at their expense to bring to mind that it’s just wonderful! The United States has been doing so for a long time sharing costs when developing not only for its population ..
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      Having chosen each other as enemies, but being called partners, Russia and the United States engaged in PR misinformation, so that each of them would be afraid of their counterparts. Now, not the weapon itself, but the PR of military products has become a kind of weapon. Over the past hundred years, mankind has developed immunity to sophisticated PR, but only in the person of its individual representatives - those who are competent in the matter, or allowed to genuine information.
      For example, I was delighted with the incompetent and (you can spit on me) I continue to admire the PAK FA project. But time ...
      And yes, time seeps through your fingers like sand, and it makes us sad. It is necessary to replace the crane in the sky with at least a titmouse - a dream.
      And PR ... Now I’m re-reading the “Collective Conscious” Slyusarenko from the stalker series about Andrei Malakhov. There, in the fifth chapter, such a powerful parody of the HSE! Following the spirit of the times, the Center for the Study of Anomalous Phenomena has been turned into a forge of managerial personnel who are ready to work anywhere, without having the slightest idea of ​​the essence of production, and they are profitably selling those personnel. For the traders are trained to extract investments using the most powerful PR technologies that no one can resist. But no one is training product manufacturers.
      In this torn reality we live. Therefore, the sky is somehow empty. But it was so dreamed ...
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      the task that two states on the planet are capable of

      so funny. Look at the engine parameters from Rolls Royce and Cesna. and also radar on typhoons and rafals. since 91, one new engine for civilians has been created in Russia. ps 14. drop dead. what to be proud of?
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    And do not count.! I judge by local and "newcomers" "PR". Show-a lot of benefits ....
  • Svarog 5 January 2020 10: 08 New
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    many "unparalleled in the world"
    And how many “PRs” we have! .. You’ll be tormented to count!

    That's what we have mastered well, it's PR. Here you can put a solid five.
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    many "unparalleled in the world"
    And how many “PRs” we have! .. You’ll be tormented to count!
    And so Pearast or PR, how will it be?
  • Tibidokh 4 January 2020 04: 40 New
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    slag and PR

    Well, a very authoritative article turned out ... (sarcasm).
    In conditions when domestic rulers are going to supply weapons to foreigners not only for free (non-repayable) loans, but also for real money, public relations is important.
    The result of a failed PR - the United States has two 5th generation aircraft in service, one in China. Russia does not have this yet.
    It is clear that the aircraft will bring to mind. But to buy it, PR is very necessary. And the statement that the Su-57 is not needed, that the Su-35 is enough, is nothing more than an anti-PR, which harms the potential supply of the export Su-57 (or FGFA).
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      It’s strange somehow, China does not have engines, but there is a 5th generation aircraft, the F-35 does not have overbearing overfocus, but the 5th generation, and the SU-57 with the 1st stage engine flies in supersound without afterburner, but not 5th generation, business ...
      1. Ross xnumx 4 January 2020 05: 45 New
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        SU-57 with the engine of the 1st stage flies on supersonic without afterburner, but not the 5th generation, things ...

        Do you know the difference between an expensive holiday suit and a funeral suit? Not only the price, but also the service life ... lol
        Can the product be given the honorary title of the “sixth” generation if it is in layouts, drawings, projects and is capable of working off bailouts only? That is the difference.
        When everywhere and everywhere they trumpet victories, but in life disasters, fires, unforeseen falls, explosions and ... "sanctions", one hardly believes in the reality of successes ... You, believe me ...
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          hardly believes in the reality of success

          Do you even know how to believe? And do you know what it is?
        2. sgrabik 4 January 2020 16: 00 New
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          Complete bullshit can’t be done in a short time, just take a fundamentally new plane, tank, ship, etc. according to the “pike command”, for this there must be the necessary conditions, stable financing, constant development and modernization, continuous tests , timely elimination of errors and shortcomings in the design identified during testing, only under such conditions can the desired result be achieved.
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            you can’t do it in a short time, just like that and take the “pike command” to make a brand new plane

            So do it slowly, why do you need PR for experimental samples? Because for 30 years, the efficient ones are a little tough with development, they have to grab onto a straw, pass gliders as airplanes. Thus, proving that they are doing well.
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  • Rostislav Bely 4 January 2020 04: 58 New
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    On December 2019, 2025, the Algerian military news site Menadefense reported that the Algerian Ministry of Defense had entered into a major contract with Russia for the supply of military aircraft. By 70, the Algerian Air Force should receive 54 fighters and 14 bombers. Most importantly, among the fighters are 57 pieces of Su-57E - an export version of the fifth-generation fighter Su-30. They will be equipped with one squadron. Other vehicles in the contract are Su-35MKA, Su-29, MiG-2M24 fighters and Su-34M, Su-130 bombers. Crew training will be carried out using Russian Yak training aircraft.
    According to the site, purchase negotiations began in the summer, when the Algerian military inspected the Su-57E at the MAKS-2019 exhibition. The reason for such a large purchase was the sharp increase in the Moroccan Air Force, which acquired 25 American F-16 fighters and, according to some reports, began to look closely at the F-35. The Algerian command realized that it was urgent to modernize. So far, the information is listed as "almost official." If confirmed, Algeria will be the first foreign buyer of fifth-generation Russian cars
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      Quote: Rostislav White
      On December 2019, XNUMX, the Algerian military news site Menadefense reported that the Algerian Ministry of Defense had entered into a major contract with Russia for the supply of military aircraft.

      Oranges will pay? laughing
      1. Flooding 4 January 2020 09: 22 New
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        Oranges will pay?

        Right Do not sell anything to anyone. Cashless palm oil and oranges have nowhere to go.
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Rostislav White
        On December 2019, XNUMX, the Algerian military news site Menadefense reported that the Algerian Ministry of Defense had entered into a major contract with Russia for the supply of military aircraft.

        Oranges will pay? laughing

        Algeria? Oranges? They are more than a solvent client, maybe even the most solvent one in Africa.
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          They are more than a solvent client, maybe even the most solvent one in Africa.

          And for this, we wrote off a debt of 4,7 billion to them.
          It was previously reported that Algeria refused to purchase Russian weapons until its debt was written off

          https://lenta.ru/news/2006/03/10/talks/
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            Algeria did not force the USSR to disintegrate, they disbanded the Warsaw Pact - after that we surrendered to Yugoslavia (let it be bombed) ...
            Natural reaction
  • point3d 4 January 2020 05: 00 New
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    If by PR the author does not mean the monastic order of PRists, but Public Relations, then the fall of the PR fighter is a reputational failure that does not scare away buyers who can pay with money. Those who will borrow these aircraft (which as usual do not need to be repaid) do not really care about their reputation.
    1. nickname7 4 January 2020 19: 41 New
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      then the fall of a PR fighter

      In fact, the plane is not ready for sale, why was it PR?
      First, the product needs to fix bugs, test and finish to the ideal, and then advertise.
  • Odysseus 4 January 2020 05: 56 New
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    It seems to me, gentlemen, it was ... a comedy. smile
    On the whole, it turned out well, but still, the author does not fully keep the chosen style for him — he writes sarcastically, or as if seriously.
    In general, the fall of 1 serial board-delay program for half a year, is unpleasant, but not critical. But for PR, the damage is big.
    Considering our realities, if at all the aircraft will be brought to combatant positioning this will already be a feat.
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  • Strashila 4 January 2020 06: 32 New
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    "So the appearance of the first" serial "Su-57 was pure PR. Advertising, which, as you know, is the engine of trade.", This is not even advertising, but only the idea and concept of a new generation aircraft.
    New materials and technologies are being developed on it.
    As my senior KB comrades said, if you designed the unit, it was manufactured and it worked, which means that something is wrong. the problem is much deeper and it appears only during operation.
    The machine began to fly, jambs began to climb out and not improvements, design, production, maintenance. This is normal, the first "serial" ones will become experimentally experimental in the hands of army pilots, an operating resource will be accumulated, something else will manifest itself, most importantly, so that without human casualties.
    The work of designers and manufacturers is one thing.
    A completely different thing is its military use, its place in the ranks and on the battlefield.
    Under what to sharpen the car.
    For reconnaissance, this is one option, for breaking through and destroying enemy air defense systems, this will be a completely different equipment vehicle. It’s not rational to use, like the Americans for blows to barmaley.
    Exactly the same situation with Armata, yes there is the concept of a tank, and then the military does not know what to do with it, where and when to use it, it is necessary to gain experience and knowledge.
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      Armata is still not there, but the NATO concept has already appreciated and recognized the “concept” with a toilet bowl.
      Now, it is worth the designers at UVZ to study in more detail the details of the latrine - an ordinary hole in the floor or a biologically closed system with the secondary use of a cleaned crew.
      If the second, to work out additional protection for the waste storage site, since its combat damage can form an extra damaging factor for the crew.
      And there is no need to rush.
      The fine-tuning, no matter how much time it takes, will still leave Armata in the category of unmatched armored weapons.
      Including because of comfort.
      (Sarcasm as in the article)
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  • health 4 January 2020 06: 54 New
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    "We noticed an error. Select the text and press Ctrl + Enter" - this is about the article.
    It is infrequent, but this occurs - a lot of occupied space, a lot of letters into words are collected, many words are collected from these letters, and there is zero meaning, information for reflection.
    The article is about nothing.
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      I hold the same opinion. A PR article from a PR writer about anything.
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        I hold the same opinion. A PR article from a PR writer about anything.

        It’s just fashionable to earn a name on a cheap hype now.
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    But if the author, the president, the minister of defense, or at least the deputy, would not have crashed!
    And polymers would be in place.
  • Dart2027 4 January 2020 07: 04 New
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    So the appearance of the first "serial" Su-57 was pure PR. Advertising, which is known to be the engine of commerce.
    In fact, the quality of the aircraft must be judged by serial products, for example, in the USSR there was a Tu-22
    By the 70s, many of the problems of the Tu-22 had been smoothed out and the accumulated rich experience in its use allowed to reduce the accident rate. But despite this, the Tu-22 never gained popularity among the crews and remained the plane with the highest accident rate in the Soviet Air Force. Until 1975, about 70 aircraft were lost in accidents - 20% of the total production, with a very high level of personnel losses.
    http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/tupolev/tu22&tu22m3/tu22/chapter9.htm
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      In fact, the quality of the aircraft must be judged by serial products

      You can recall the Yak-28, how many crews and vehicles were lost, in combat units, then of course finalized, the Su-27 - how many accidents and disasters were.
      The list goes on and on.
      The same Su-24, a reliable machine, but they constantly shout that the emergency plane, but how many crews lost during the tests, and how many in combat units during retraining, were modified. Any aircraft, ours or not ours, can only be brought up when operating in combat regiments.
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        Any aircraft, ours or not ours, can only be brought up when operating in combat regiments.

        I know that. It’s only when another lover of the “bright future” begins to whine that “the boss is all gone” there is a desire to poke his nose into the problems that were in the USSR.
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          By the way, on the Tu-22, the car is more than interesting.
          There is such a Soviet film Tenderness to the roaring beast (1982), of course, a naive film, but curious, just about the creation and testing of the Tu-22, originally planned to use the filming itself Cannibalbut then replaced with the Tu-134UBL, but still interesting, some documentary was included in the film, scary shots of the real Tu-22 catastrophe
  • Amateur 4 January 2020 07: 17 New
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    In fact, the fifth generation of the Su-57 is not yet. Not yet Radar with AFAR

    This AFAR was given to all. Its main advantage is to process almost simultaneously lot goals - from 100 to 500. This is necessary for air defense / missile defense systems and “Aviation Warning and Control Systems” (AWACS), which require the most complete overview of the surrounding air situation. And why is it for a fighter with 4-8 missiles to have even 50 targets on the indicator? That the pilot has nothing more to do than look at the pictures on the monitor. Someone once said that a 5th generation aircraft should have an AFAR, but did not say why. And the “experts” followed afar, afar ... Like a flock of crows.
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      What about reliability and noise immunity? The point is not only in the number of goals followed. Either one module has to deal with, or 1526 of them.
      But I agree with you that it is necessary to be guided by the principle of sufficiency and price-quality.
      Even the Americans couldn’t rivet enough F-22 because of the high cost. Yes, and the F-35 eats up colossal money for the purchase and subsequent maintenance. And the debt under 20 trillion, coupled with the country due to Wishlist of this kind in many industries.
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        What about reliability and noise immunity?

        I already wrote in the comments to Damantsev that AFAR is a technology for forming a radiation pattern (ND) of a transceiver antenna. AFAR has the highest rate of change of the diagram, which means that theoretically it is possible to process a larger number of received signals (naturally, if there are appropriate computing power for processing them). Noise immunity is determined by the algorithms for generating the emitted HF signal and the processing algorithms of the received reflected HF signal and does not depend on the beam. System reliability is defined as the product of the reliability of individual elements. (for example: 3 elements, the reliability of each is 0.99. The reliability of the system is 0,99 * 0,99 * 0,99 = 0,97). Therefore, a priori, it is impossible to speak of a higher reliability of the AFAR, consisting of thousands of elements. It will be determined by the features of the applied structural and technological solutions. drinks
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          Quote: Amateur
          The reliability of the system is 0,99 * 0,99 * 0,99 = 0,97). Therefore, a priori, it is impossible to speak of a higher reliability of the AFAR, consisting of thousands of elements. It will be determined by the features of the applied structural and technological solutions.

          A little slippery statement!
          The thing is that in AFAR each module from 1526 is autonomous. Failed - disconnected ... Therefore, reliability will remain high ...
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    Funny article. A schoolboy wrote something, persuading himself that a deuce is nothing to worry about.
    According to reliable rumors and exaggerated tales, the Indians dumped from the project not because the new engines are not ready or the “Squirrel” is not ready (it’s just ready), but because the new engines are not very high-torque, they differ little from the current AL- 41F1. And the glider itself (materials, coating) has nothing to do with the word "stealth".
    And therefore, the Indians did not see much sense in it. They decided to upgrade the Su-30, because the potential is huge: replace the Bars, put the AL-41F1S engines from the Su-35, etc. After the upgrade, the Su-57 will be no worse.
    So our fighters think the same way, ordering as many as 6 squadrons for 10 years (forced them, since initially only 12 planes were going to order) while buying the Su-35 - a reliable workhorse, a cool airplane. And they will continue, for it is half the price.
    Well, you saw Shoigu's visit to Irkut, where they discussed the possibility of upgrading the current Su-30SM fleet to the level of Su-35S (engines, Irbis).
  • rocket757 4 January 2020 07: 33 New
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    Another example after the holiday syndrome.
    All of this has already been discussed.
    In fact, much is somewhere nearby, in terms of perception ... it already was and still will surely be.
  • bober1982 4 January 2020 07: 34 New
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    In my opinion, the topic of the fall of the factory Su-57 should be closed, everything just turns into a farce, and it’s good that now without the involvement of dull Chinese experts, but in any case - busting, the clowning begins.
  • Hermit21 4 January 2020 08: 38 New
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    In fact, the fifth generation of the Su-57 is not yet. Until there is a radar with AFAR and a normal engine


    STA? And what is the radar? With a slot antenna or PFAR?
    And, for some, the "abnormal" AL-41-1F is much more modern and progressive than the same F119 and provides afterburning supersound, even faster than the F-22. Another thing is that you need something radically new.

    And yes, there are no generally accepted criteria for a fifth-generation fighter. What is most often exaggerated in the specialized media is taken from TK to ATF. This is nothing more than a convention for the average person, and we need to talk not about compliance with some mythic generations, but about the conformity of the TTZ
  • ML-334 4 January 2020 08: 52 New
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    I suppose that in the new war the “cornster" may turn out to be the 6th generation - the rest, which are stuffed with electronics, will remain on the ground, this also applies to ground equipment. War and computer are incompatible things. This is my presentiment.
  • parusnik 4 January 2020 09: 27 New
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    Today the site has a military-space theme: Why Russian planes and missiles do not fly like birds smile
    1. NEXUS 4 January 2020 21: 18 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      Today the site has a military-space theme: Why Russian planes and missiles do not fly like birds smile

      They quietly whistle, fly low, do not flap their wings like eagles ... yeah ... to read Skomorokhov, it would be necessary to bring down obscenities and songs from the country for a long time. Somehow he scribbled me to the PM, I explain unreasonable ... after that, everything about this character became clear to me.
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    As for me, it is necessary to rejoice that this refusal was manifested in the tests, and not in the ranks and that it is not necessary to prohibit flights and modify the sides. It is clear that there are a lot of problems, but this is always the case when mastering a fundamentally new technique. Remember how many contingency repair teams were in the shelves and what hassle it was accompanied. It is not surprising that the VKS do not want to step on the old rake ...
  • Pup1 4 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    They laughed ...... along with effective managers there are also funny authors .... they would have to go to the factory ..... but there is an opportunity to write ... why their stupid thoughts. lay out ... maybe shut up and lay something on the pot?
  • Tahtvjd2868 4 January 2020 10: 58 New
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    The article is complete nonsense. The machine is being finalized. Since it has fallen, it means that we have found the limit that cannot be calculated by calculations. And it's good that they found. And they will find many more! For this, an experimental batch is needed in the troops. And it’s not even about orders and thousands of thousands of cars a year. Technology Case
    1. NEXUS 4 January 2020 21: 20 New
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      Quote: Tahtvjd2868
      The article is complete nonsense.

      And for what? For the paddock commentators and the more the better. More outraged, more attendance, more money from advertising. Everything is simple.
  • Ros 56 4 January 2020 11: 19 New
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    Yes, you sweated after the holidays with your funeral scribbles, everything was lost to the chef ....., and hereinafter. Take a glass and sing pidmanula, p_dvela.
  • iouris 4 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    Quote: "And the reputation ... Come on, it's a matter of gain." The end of the quote.
    The reputation institution was not even born. But it’s understandable why everything is so. The author pointed to the core of the problem. (Well done!)
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    Everything seems to be nothing, but two amendments :))) The AFAR on the Su-57 has been standing for a long time, 2016 of them were made back in March 11, 3 of which stood on the PAK FA. And on the engines of the first stage, the Su-57 goes to cruising supersonic :)))
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      Oh, the first minus! Someone really did not like the fact of the presence of AFAR and cruising supersonic on the Su-57, but, crap, there’s nothing to argue ...
      1. SASHA OLD 4 January 2020 15: 50 New
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Oh, the first minus! Someone really did not like the fact of the presence of AFAR and cruising supersonic on the Su-57, but, crap, there’s nothing to argue ...

        maybe someone after the celebration with a trembling hand wanted to put a plus, but missed)) wassat hi
    2. Boa kaa 4 January 2020 15: 26 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Everything seems to be nothing, but two amendments:

      Andrey, with the past! drinks
      1.
      Is it so hard to wait until 2029
      My question is: Will the adversary also wait for you? And how is this consistent with the assessment of the situation near the borders of the Russian Federation and the increased number of NATO maneuvers and exercises with an offensive orientation?
      And the second: It turns out Stalin had to invite Adolf to wait until July 1942, when the USSR planned to complete the rearmament of the Armed Forces and prepare for the invasion of 250 divisions of the Fuhrer?
      2.
      The Su-57 was built by order, in cooperation and for the Indians, Arabs and South Americans.
      Completeness, my friend!
      Who gave TK on LTH products? Our MO or Arabs with Indians? And then, the FGFA is far from the Su-57. The Hindus rebelled for the first time over the fact that the Russians did not allow them to the stealth know-how! Which is not the same as that of amov and hunfuz! (Well, the Russians do not paint their planes with carbon paint, but install some tricky devices ... and vaul! And they don’t want to share with Hindi: they know that everyone will fuse Uncle Sam ... "Abidnaaaa, yeah, you know. .. ")
      3.
      in fact, the next modification of the Su-27, which is the fact of the Su-57, is neither needed nor interesting to anyone.
      You, bro, say this to the Yankees, they’ll kill all their agents, extracting intelligence on the “useless” Su-57 ...
      And go, check your eyesight, maybe with glasses you will see the difference between the Su-27 and 57 !!!
      So it turns out that "a lot of buffoons" recently divorced in Russia!
      Very true observation of our colleague!
      AHA.
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        Quote: BoA KAA
        Andrey, with the past!

        Alexander, with the coming, all the best and health more! hi Happiness personal, cash and cashless! laughing drinks
    3. NEXUS 4 January 2020 21: 23 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Everything seems to be nothing, but two corrections :)))

      The namesake, unfortunately, of such authors who are able to hold the blow, and not ban or remove objectionable comments on VO has become one. You're one of them. In any case, you not only write an article, but also defend your point of view with reason and in the comments under it, which citizen Skomorokhov never did under his writings.
  • KVU-NSVD 4 January 2020 11: 44 New
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    I read and did not understand - it was either the mold of the Ekhomoskovskaya chernukha that got to the author, or just the post-holiday depresnyak, or the wife imposed a taboo on the sober ...
  • Uncle Izya 4 January 2020 11: 50 New
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    So the appearance of the first "serial" Su-57 was pure PR. Advertising, which is known to be the engine of commerce.
    Nonsense ordered 76 aircraft and Algeria bought 12
  • Radikal 4 January 2020 12: 45 New
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    To whom did the fallen PR fighter harm?
    The question is rhetorical, logic dictates - to those who promoted it .... lol
    1. Uncle Izya 4 January 2020 13: 49 New
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      For example, when they tested the Mig-31
      He died on April 4, 1984 in a test flight on the MiG-31 along with test navigator V. S. Zaitsev. In that flight, a false alarm of the fuel remaining indication occurred. Fedotov decided to sit down. Assuming that there was little fuel on the plane, he made a sharp maneuver, but a heavy, full of combustible aircraft reached supercritical angles of attack and fell into a tailspin. Neither Fedotov nor Zaitsev had time to eject.
      that’s why it’s a test
  • mark1 4 January 2020 13: 00 New
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    Something Roma completely "brutalized." It seems that he didn’t pass on to personality, did not express obscenities, did not offend anyone, and the comment was deleted ... ??? Ah Roma, Roma! ...
  • svp67 4 January 2020 13: 33 New
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    So what? What changed?
    It's nothing.

    Yes, no change .. at a loss, the top three billion were written off ... The people did not receive the prize.
  • jonht 4 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    The first one who said that the engine of the first stage does not give supersonic without afterburner, from where info links please.
    Second, references to the fact that industry can not put AFARS on the Su-57.
    I understand the emotions that have boiled with Roman, but here are unfounded ....... This is, for him, too much.
    There are many reasons why I agree, but lately, if articles are not about the story of Roman, then they have a lot of emotions and little evidence.
    1. Arkon 4 January 2020 16: 46 New
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      Quote: jonht
      I understand the emotions that boiled in Roman,


      And I, as I do not often go to VO, do not understand. What is this hysteria? belay
  • opus 4 January 2020 13: 54 New
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    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    True, it is not entirely clear why such a noise. Airplanes are falling. Moreover, they do this systematically and regularly, regardless of the country of origin and destination

    1. Well, let's say the first serial ones fall, Well, very rare, from the word very rarely. We distinguished ourselves
    2. Fall / disaster, on New Year's Eve, makes itself felt
    3. Because censored word- it’s not for you to roll bags

    the head of the fish and the near-head of the fish, carries so much snowstorm, in words, but in practice
    The head of the UAC spoke about the reserve for the sixth generation fighter, the new line of "transporters" and the Tu-160M
    Slusar

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    For comparison: F-22 in similar situations there were 10 times, plus sent two pilots to the other world. And nothing, no one screams to the whole world. F-35 thrice gasped to smithereens.

    For comparison, 22 195 goals were released, but did they fly?
    35 released 478, and they flew?
    For simple systems, the most typical exponential
    p (x) ≈ e ^ (−λ * x)
    _____________________________________________________________________

    and normal (Gaussian)

    event probability distribution
    however, at 22 and 35, this was not observed: 1 serial, 1 flight 10, disaster, out of 11 produced

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    So what? What changed?

    this event showed, once again, our unpreparedness, the incompetence of the elite, reinforced the opinion - they “squealed” there completely.
    rub and spaghetti hang on TV and at meetings you can endlessly. Reality quickly puts everything in place
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      Quote: opus
      this event showed

      That's what they said, did they understand? The verbal nonsense ground.
  • Fitter65 4 January 2020 14: 06 New
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    But if we can’t, what now? Shoot yourself? Dismiss and imprison all those involved? Well, complete, we are not in 1937 in the yard. Not I said, the president said!
    And in 1937, it turns out not everyone was imprisoned, even for not fulfilling the plan, and the government’s assignment. Oddly enough, but this is a fact ...
  • Altona 4 January 2020 14: 33 New
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    The main thing is the direction, the rest is the little things.
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    Well, how are the little things? In China, about 300 institutions are involved in aerospace. And who do we pass on to the “building we created”? Today we “create”, and tomorrow the consumer society will completely destroy science and industry completely.
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    "Roman Skomorokhov" - who is it? Has he always had such "strange" (to put it mildly) articles? Regulars IN, enlighten. smile
  • Nikolai 4 January 2020 19: 01 New
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    Article or fornication or nonsense? Although, if we replace the word US in the article with the word ME, then everything falls into place. Is it true that Skomorokhov will fly by plane or rocket? Will not be. Will sail on a boat or a dashboard? Will not be. Will ride a tank or (armored personnel carrier, bmp)? Will not be. Will produce or sell? Will not be. So is it all the same to him !? And what does the PR have to do with it, and what does it mean, "Slowly, with feeling, really, with the arrangement"? Tea / coffee - sit and talk. Vodka / beer - lie down for a while ...
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    The whole past year they simply wailed themselves out of glee (the collision of two Su-34s, then Tu-22m3), now they cannot keep up with the Su-57 accident, because they are angry and afraid, articles and analysts themselves have nothing to do with aviation , a set of ridiculous chants, nothing more.
  • Nick Russ 4 January 2020 21: 25 New
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    "RATING OF COUNTRIES AND TERRITORIES BY SIZE OF GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT
    The World Bank: Gross Domestic Product 2019.
    RATING GDP ECONOMY ($ MILLION)
    The whole world 85,804,390.60
    1 United States of America 20,494,100.00
    2 China 13,608,151.86
    3 Japan 4,970,915.56
    4 Germany 3,996,759.29
    5 United Kingdom 2,825,207.95
    6 France 2,777,535.24
    7 India 2,726,322.62
    8 Italy 2,073,901.99
    9 Brazil 1,868,626.09
    10 Canada 1,712,510.03
    11 Russia 1,657,553.77 "

    The Russian economy is quite far behind and is far from an advanced country in this regard. Therefore, to think in such a style that we should be ahead of the rest, but officials do not give in my opinion wrong. It is important for us to survive in this rather hostile world. And this is my survival and assertion of our interests, in my opinion, pretty good show. And if someone wants to do something better, then go ahead. Yes, you can criticize, but at the same time offer real solutions. And not such type of 37 years and the return of Stalin, etc.
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    Everything seems to be exhausted - everyone has finished the booth. A curtain.
  • Zoer 4 January 2020 22: 49 New
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    For comparison: F-22 in similar situations there were 10 times, plus sent two pilots to the other world. And nothing, no one screams to the whole world. F-35 thrice gasped to smithereens.
    Everything is in order.

    Is the author at least a little bit in the subject?
    Sorry, but the first SERIAL plane failed. Without plaque and maintenance in parts. It only says that ALL the stages of design and manufacturing, from R&D to serial O1, turned out, to put it mildly, of poor quality ...
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      No, most likely a problem has come out that was not detected during flight tests, or arose in the course of making changes to the design of the fighter (software)
  • Victor March 47 5 January 2020 12: 00 New
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    Sorry, but I agree with the author. Tired of these timpani, boast. It would be better to read how many centuries, joint sentences were received, numerous gold-laden and not uniform at all, crooks, where he was sent for reprimand, how much they gave to EVERYONE and how many stolen they returned.
  • Victor March 47 5 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    Quote: Zoer
    For comparison: F-22 in similar situations there were 10 times, plus sent two pilots to the other world. And nothing, no one screams to the whole world. F-35 thrice gasped to smithereens.
    Everything is in order.

    Is the author at least a little bit in the subject?
    Sorry, but the first SERIAL plane failed. Without plaque and maintenance in parts. It only says that ALL the stages of design and manufacturing, from R&D to serial O1, turned out, to put it mildly, of poor quality ...

    Have you read? Windows made in the last century wedges. There are options for all kinds of twists and turns of trilliards, and there will always be dead ends, from which programs do not crawl out on their own. Only through a reboot that cannot be done in flight. If I were in the know, I would understand that the airplane’s super-maneuverability is achieved ONLY by its extremely unbalanced aerodynamic performance. With which SUCCESS should control automation. Well balanced, does not want to quickly and deeply turn in any way. Aerodynamics do not allow. And the current conflict of the shape of the fuselage, its weight distribution and the content of the stabilization program leads to .....
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    The novel squirts with wit, however, the creation of this aircraft is the same guarantor of the country's independence, like any significant defense project. I agree, there are not so many twelve planes. But in combination with the Su-35s already produced, they can play a role in a permissible local conflict, such as bringing to peace a particular country. Let them not be in large numbers, but they will. I remember in 2008 one su-34 duckling seemed to be enough for Georgia to silence their Buki, so a stealth fighter with technologies will not hurt us. Moreover, as Sergey Bogdan said, this car is much better than everything that was created before it with us.
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    Bullshit is the main maneuver
  • Vadim1000 7 January 2020 14: 32 New
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    How many times did the Su-27 crash during trials? I am sure that a lot, but this does not determine the future of the aircraft.
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    The author did not finish the Jesuit school?
    If there were a couple of thousand Su-35s, one could agree. In the meantime, there are about 70 of them, Karl. That's all.
    It was impossible to raise on January 29th - an unlucky number.
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      A couple of thousand Su-35s would provide a double advantage over all the European air forces combined. And in the 4th generation of such a circulation reached only the F-16.
  • EvilLion 9 January 2020 12: 48 New
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    Skomorokh, the contract for the Su-57 seems to be 76 aircraft, excluding the first two, one of which was broken.

    And the damage is really minimal. It is insignificant against the background of the disruption and revision of the new IL-76 production program, but only the BMPD blog reported about this.
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    I didn’t say about the PR-gun “boa”:) - as many as 50 pieces a year for the army :) - probably the auctions will be arranged in the troops