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New 30-mm "plastic" shells will go into service with the SV in 2020

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New 30-mm "plastic" shells will go into service with the SV in 2020

The 30-mm artillery systems of the Ground Forces will receive ammunition with plastic elements in the first quarter of 2020. This was reported by TASS with reference to the General Director of the concern "Techmash" (part of Rostec) Vladimir Lepin.


The general director of Techmash, engaged in the development of these ammunition, explained that the adoption of the 30-mm shells for the artillery complexes of the Ground Forces is expected in the first quarter of next year. Currently, state tests are completed and preparations are underway for the start of serial production of this type of shells.

Preparations are underway for mass production of 30-mm rounds with plastic lead devices (PVU) for the artillery systems of the Ground Forces. State tests of these products have been successfully completed. The adoption of ammunition from the PVU into service is expected in the first quarter of 2020

- said Lepin.

The leading device is a belt protruding above the side surface of the ammunition, which serves to impart rotation to the projectile in the barrel and obturation of powder gases during firing.

Techmash explained that the use of ammunition with PVU not only eliminates the mechanical wear of the barrel, but also increases its survivability by at least two times. The ballistic characteristics of ammunition with PVU show high stability in various operating conditions.

Previously, it was reported that ammunition from the PVU had already been adopted by the sea and aviation-based artillery installations. In particular, in 2016, the Russian Armed Forces adopted 30-mm anti-aircraft shells for the cannon of the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter.

For naval artillery anti-aircraft systems, high-explosive incendiary fragmentation and fragmentation tracer shells with PVU are supplied. For aviation guns - high-explosive incendiary, armor-piercing tracer and multi-element ammunition.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 December 2019 14: 17
    +17
    Again, the saving of non-ferrous metals used previously for PVU. A very wise and economic innovation!
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 12 December 2019 14: 45
      -6
      laughing The twenty-first century in the yard, and the military is still blooming for sale stash !!!!! soldier
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 12 December 2019 15: 03
        0
        C'mon, near Khabarovsk they took them out of the pigs for acceptance. We had two 122 blanks under the module (we scared young people with them in the morning laughing after the first duty)
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 12 December 2019 15: 05
        +5
        Let's not say "gop!" ... wink
      3. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 13 December 2019 04: 36
        +4
        .... .and the military has everything to sell for sale

        What line in the article led you to this conclusion? crying
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 13 December 2019 07: 35
          0
          Ordinary banter. But seriously, until two youngsters on the field tracks blew up, collecting VOGs at the shooting range everyone was up to the waist. After that, they hurriedly cleared the mine, so only VOGs were found about a thousand and a half. Something was blown up, something in a broomstick. As always. And specifically in the belts, so what are we proud of? In ammunition, we are lagging behind a strongly-distant (programmed) blast where?
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 December 2019 19: 16
      +10
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Again, the saving of non-ferrous metals used previously for PVU. A very wise and economic innovation!

      Saving the barrel resource first! Big one. One barrel of such a gun is more expensive than all non-ferrous metals of the entire ammunition. wassat
      1. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 19 February 2020 20: 11
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Again, the saving of non-ferrous metals used previously for PVU. A very wise and economic innovation!

        Saving the barrel resource first! Big one. One barrel of such a gun is more expensive than all non-ferrous metals of the entire ammunition. wassat

        This innovation is breaking .. about the Russian Army ..
        Last year, I talked with the contract soldier-commander of the Rapier tank destroyer.
        He told me that his gun was thrown out to the firing range, they gave 100 shells with an order to fire in white light, like a pretty penny. Do not aim, just shoot.
        He says that it didn’t agree on spending standards. Usually, 20 shells per gun were allocated during firing.
        I ask, Well, how is the trunk? Do not mess up?
        - No, he says .. the paint just burst on the trunk.

        And these are our days .. What’s the economy, say?
    3. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 12 December 2019 19: 31
      +5
      Wow, plastic driving belts! I heard about them back in 1994 when I studied at the institute. True, the execution of the adversaries was this miracle. So it came to us.
    4. svp67
      svp67 13 December 2019 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Again, the saving of non-ferrous metals used previously for PVU. A very wise and economic innovation!

      Yes, the fact also relieves of the problem of "copper plating" of trunks, but does "plastmatization" appear?
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 December 2019 14: 40
    +3
    Give BOPS 30mm! The next call.
    1. Genry
      Genry 12 December 2019 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Give BOPS 30mm!

      What for?
      The 30mm gun supports the switching of two types of shells. And now the most useful are HE shells with controlled detonation (near the target) and shells with delayed contact detonation (behind the obstacle).
      And it’s better to destroy equipment with ATGM or other cardinal weapons, without suffering in aiming at specific vulnerabilities, otherwise it will take you away.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 12 December 2019 15: 42
        +12
        Maybe it’s better, but the trouble is, ATGMs usually aren’t at hand ... Hello from Donbass !!!
        And yes, - PF is a thing. And for the reservation, we still have mostly RPGs.
        1. Genry
          Genry 12 December 2019 15: 50
          0
          Quote: URAL72
          yes that's the trouble, ATGMs usually aren’t at hand ...

          Nuuuu ..... is a political issue. Very nasty.
          Someone so decides that it is easier to prove something or take the next steps.
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 12 December 2019 15: 58
            +3
            Not political. Rather tactical. There is only one platoon of ATGMs on SMEs. 5 years in the trenches, I have never seen them. Here is the RV, yes, - we work together and often like infantry, - and where are the ATGMs, -......
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 12 December 2019 18: 55
              +1
              Quote: URAL72
              Not political. Rather tactical. There is only one platoon of ATGMs on SMEs. 5 years in the trenches, I have never seen them. Here is the RV, yes, - we work together and often like infantry, - and where are the ATGMs, -......

              I remember that in the SMB of the USSR Armed Forces on an armored personnel carrier there was also only 1 platoon on ATGMs. And if on the BMP, then it was not at all. So everything seems to be not so bad?
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 12 December 2019 19: 08
                +2
                It may not be bad, but here (Donbass), often the ATGMs are like infantry, with a platoon in one place ... You know, there are not enough people.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 12 December 2019 19: 31
                  0
                  Quote: URAL72
                  It may not be bad, but here (Donbass), often the ATGMs are like infantry, with a platoon in one place ... You know, there are not enough people.

                  In the platoon, I remember, there were 2 ATGM units, what's the point of keeping them together? Or, since there is a shortage of people, you have not 2, but actually 1 squad in the platoon? Well then, it is clear.
            2. The comment was deleted.
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 12 December 2019 22: 35
                +10
                Of course I understand. The situation. Powers build (and sometimes restore) centuries. Who are we? The driving mechanism. Bolts, nuts. I personally am from Kherson. Volunteer. I have no turning back. And I do not regret my choice. Yes, the war may be won by our grandchildren. But Russia will win.
                1. mikle1999
                  mikle1999 12 December 2019 22: 46
                  -10
                  Hmm, my sympathy. The devil pulled you to get involved. Russia may then be Ukraine and will win, but neither Russians nor Ukrainians will benefit from it. I have a lot of acquaintances in the LPR / DPR, of course they are terribly intimidated by the Gestapo there, but sometimes such hatred breaks out among them both towards the leadership of the republics and to the uninvited defenders. And how they envy all sorts of Severonetsk / Lisichansk who were on the other side. Nothing personal, I understand that your choice is not so great right now.
                  1. URAL72
                    URAL72 12 December 2019 22: 56
                    +8
                    I am not intimidated. I think your friends have sins, if they are so afraid. And those who were in the basement or from the "refugees" who are even stronger than me, but not in spirit, are also afraid of Russia's victory. Believe me, such freedom that exists here now cannot be found in Russia. But in Ukraine too. Although there are cellars, and it is better not to get there. There is no envy of the other side here, but after the death of Zakhar, the authorities are no longer held in high esteem. People want peace, but it's better as a part of Russia.
                    1. mikle1999
                      mikle1999 12 December 2019 23: 08
                      -10
                      So you are not a civilian population). You can say the stronghold, the one on which all this crooks and solves their problems. He eats sweet, drinks deliciously, drives beautiful cars while you are sitting in the trenches. And the population, will tolerate, will wait for the promised happiness five years ago. And ten years and twenty, and who opens his mouth - but does it need all this for us? - Quickly on the hill he will rake as an accomplice of ukrov.
                      And the fact that it is better to live as part of Russia (and even better Switzerland) is understandable. But the trouble is that this nightmare with LPR / DNR will not get you to Russia or Ukraine for a very long time, that you should deceive yourself after five years. So I asked - for a long time you will hang out like that. From your situation it’s clear - always (((.
                      That we completely left the topic of the article, I apologize to everyone.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 December 2019 16: 20
        +2
        Western BT light 20 years is available with armor to protect against these shells and HE and BB. And now she also switched to a caliber of 30-40mm. Therefore, BOPS is needed. And, the gun would be in 35-37mm.
        1. Genry
          Genry 12 December 2019 17: 19
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          . Therefore, BOPS is needed. And, the gun would be in 35-37mm.

          30mm is optimal for the main battle time - the destruction of a single manpower.
          Enemy equipment must be destroyed at a distance much greater than the effective range of the 30mm gun. And to make holes with armored BOPs without getting into critical places is ineffective. And also, BOPS is good for a smooth-bore gun, where it can be pumped with energy 4 times more than a rifled one (speed 2 times higher).
        2. URAL72
          URAL72 12 December 2019 22: 39
          +2
          Zaurbek, I read you from Leni Russophobe. I fully support. I do not want to register at parity. Let him starve.
      3. Sergei N 58912062
        Sergei N 58912062 9 January 2023 00: 57
        0
        What for?

        Genry, what do you mean why?! How many ATGMs do you think an infantry fighting vehicle can take?
        New BOPS are exactly what is needed to combat enemy armored vehicles! So we are waiting for the mass appearance of the BOPS ZUBR 11 in the army.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 12 December 2019 17: 05
      +3
      [quote = Zaurbek] Give BOPS 30mm! The next call.
      The new 30X165 projectile, BOPS BISON 11

      The exact characteristics of the projectile are unknown, but the modern design suggests an increase in armor penetration by 1.5 - 2 times compared to the Kerner BPS and 3-4 times compared to the 30 mm BT projectile.
      This ammunition is in pilot production, there is no information on orders from the Ministry of Defense for this shell.
    3. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 12 December 2019 19: 38
      -2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Give BOPS 30mm! The next call.

      A 30-mm round 3UBR11 with BOPS does not count? And the 3UBR8 "Kerner", although not a BOPS, is quite a BPS.
  3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 12 December 2019 14: 41
    0
    Finally!
    Well done.
  4. knn54
    knn54 12 December 2019 14: 55
    +3
    Back in the 70s, the Yankes developed such ammunition for the Gatling aircraft cannons, which have a "frenzied" rate of fire. The brass sleeves were also replaced with aluminum ones.
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 12 December 2019 14: 59
      +2
      Because the gun weighed more than any car)
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 December 2019 16: 17
        +1
        Because they saved the barrel resource and 30mm is a little more powerful there.
        1. eagle owl
          eagle owl 12 December 2019 17: 10
          +1
          And the trunks, apparently, are few. In general, there is a controversial decision - to build a plane around the gun
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 12 December 2019 19: 15
            +1
            Quote: Uhu
            In general, there is a controversial decision - to build a plane around the gun

            No other way. Pushkin is too big out.
            1. serg.shishkov2015
              serg.shishkov2015 13 December 2019 06: 55
              +1
              I saw this photo! then he showed it to others, people precipitated!
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 12 December 2019 20: 34
            +1
            This is a concept .... and it was brought to life beautifully. In fact, the main A10 organ is a cannon. 30 mm with uranium BOPs. Su25 and Mi24 - NURS, first 57 mm, then 80 mm.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 12 December 2019 21: 16
              +1
              Which gun after a two-second queue should cool for one and a half minutes. Otherwise, it will jam. Great idea. And the plane should fly somewhere at this time. Given its low flight characteristics - it will fly close to the target. Which is not hit the first time (or if the target is not single), probably wants to shoot something in response.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 12 December 2019 23: 24
                +1
                The gun is quite reliable ... The concept, and I think, is rather weak. NURS continues to fly aiming and its caliber is easier to change.
                1. mikle1999
                  mikle1999 12 December 2019 23: 35
                  -1
                  The tasks are slightly different. Nurses - for areal unprotected targets (of course there are cumulative ones, but you’ll still get into that tank), and here armor-piercing shells are in large numbers with fairly high accuracy of fire.
              2. mikle1999
                mikle1999 12 December 2019 23: 48
                -1
                But in these two seconds, he will lay 150 shells in a circle with a diameter of 10 meters. A continuous shooting from the otvetka does not save. The A-10 cannot hang and fire at spaced targets for a long time - only one, and starting to shoot from the ultimate range of hitting the target, it will just have to turn back in a couple of seconds, so as not to ram it. Search, approach to a new target just trunks and cool.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 13 December 2019 06: 25
                  0
                  Here, too, not everything is smooth:
                  1. From what distance will he fall into such a 10m circle?
                  2. how far will he go on target.
                  3. It is unlikely that he will shoot at the 1st tank and enter every time ..

                  And in the end, it all comes down to an attack by a group of tanks from a great distance and with a large separation of shells.
                  1. mikle1999
                    mikle1999 13 December 2019 10: 51
                    -1
                    Farther than a kilometer to shoot at a tank from 30mm it makes no sense, neither accuracy nor armor penetration. In 2 seconds, he will launch 150 shells, all of them will fall into a circle 10 meters in diameter, and from a distance of 500 meters it’s time to roll sideways / up from a combat course. He has ammunition for 10 such calls.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 13 December 2019 11: 07
                      0
                      And approaching the target for 1 km .... is dangerous for everything that flies.
                      1. mikle1999
                        mikle1999 13 December 2019 11: 20
                        0
                        It’s scary to fight at all. Actually, the art of war consists in choosing the right type of weapon, time and tactics of its use for a particular enemy. There is no panacea (except for the Strategic Missile Forces) and the A-10 is certainly not it, but it is no accident that 40+ years in the army.
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 13 December 2019 11: 32
                        0
                        The paradox is that (therefore, new stormtroopers do not) that no one can go below 5km .... and above 5km no longer need armor. And accuracy is achieved with the help of control units from ground friends, UAVs and optics and radar on an airplane. But on Su34 ours stood out .... and above 5km and armor and radar and optics ...
                    2. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 13 December 2019 19: 17
                      0
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      from a distance of 500 meters it’s time to roll to the side

                      And a not very good-natured Iranian with an "Needle" comes out of the second tank ...
                      1. mikle1999
                        mikle1999 14 December 2019 23: 48
                        0
                        Attle in the movie is simple. And in life, get out of a cozy tank under shells, pull out needle tubes, for a second, 170 cm long, turn your head, find an attack aircraft, put a pipe in its direction, start the guidance head cooling system, wait for the lamp to be captured. The task is not much easier than knocking a tiger with a grenade.
              3. Spambox
                Spambox 13 December 2019 08: 56
                +1
                Are you seriously? You watch the video from the Iraq war 1, how the A10 burn tanks, and nothing is the client. And the flight data there is not worse than our Su25, 2 turbofans provide very good traction, the plane leaves the peak with a pitch angle of 60 degrees almost vertically, very good wing mechanization ensures controllability at extremely low speeds close to stall, and in the A10c modification, the plane It supports reaching the target for cannon weapons attack on autopilot in any weather conditions and time of day through the infrared channel of the OLS container. I am silent about agm65 with the help of which you can not enter the battle at all, burn tanks in packs from a safe distance.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 13 December 2019 11: 09
                  0
                  As in the exercises ..... But the example of the Afghan war showed that approaching the target more than 2 times and the probability of hitting a ground attack aircraft increases dramatically, while the main weapon was PGI, DShK and MANPADS ..... like Arrow-2 and old Stinkers and RedAi
      2. mikle1999
        mikle1999 12 December 2019 23: 59
        -1
        In fairness, the gun itself is relatively light, less than 300 kg, but the ammunition is heavy (1.5 tons) and voluminous.
  5. Cananecat
    Cananecat 12 December 2019 15: 18
    +1
    Still, the sleeves would become plastic or combustible, generally there would be a waste-free production ...))
    1. Genry
      Genry 12 December 2019 16: 13
      +3
      Quote: Canecat
      Still, the steel sleeves were plastic or combustible

      In fact, high-quality plastic is more expensive than metal (obtained from oil or gas).
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 14 December 2019 11: 27
        0
        Oh cap, I suspect that the basis of the material is carbon ...)))
  6. senima56
    senima56 12 December 2019 15: 39
    +1
    All this is of course good .... But where are the shells with "remote blasting"? That's what's important now! In light of the fact that it is better to fight UAVs with such shells than to spend an expensive Pantsir-S1 missile on a "homemade" UAV! negative
  7. Whowhy
    Whowhy 12 December 2019 17: 41
    +1
    Saying "A", you need to say "B" and start making conventional ammunition (not arrows) with a steel core and a shell of such plastic. Since this plastic keeps the pressure and temperature in the guns, then it should be even more so in machine guns and pistols. Copper is not cheap these days ...
  8. Basarev
    Basarev 12 December 2019 18: 57
    0
    Penetration even increase? And then Western shells of even a smaller caliber bypass us at times.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 December 2019 21: 04
      0
      These new shells need to be bought, and the MO does not buy them all 30 millimeters in the troops, these are 3UBR8 and ZUOF8, from all 1985 BOPS Mango tanks of the development, the Invar M1 missile of the mid 90s, the ZBK29 cumulative shells of the mid 90s high explosive shells ZOF26 of the late 80s with a programmable fuse - Pattern, Lead, new tank missiles and OFS tank shells are not in service. Why doesn’t they buy, most likely very expensive shells turned out, 30 mm shells with a programmable fuse do not buy the same.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 December 2019 11: 12
      +1
      It does not depend on plastic belts ....
  9. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 13 December 2019 05: 38
    0
    Probably decided to apply biodegradable plastic and Greta Tunberg to appease. Wads of toilet paper are said to be very environmentally friendly.
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 December 2019 10: 33
    0
    Is the shelf life of plastic sufficient?