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Israeli "Special Forces" 2018 Failures Declared

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The Qatari TV channel Al-Jazeera reported some details about the "failure" of the Israeli special forces operation, which took place a little over a year ago in the Gaza Strip, the newsru.co.il portal writes.


The program "Top Secret" presented details that were previously not known to the general public. In particular, were demonstrated weapon and equipment for Israeli soldiers, as well as interviews with Hamas commanders, who are said to be related to the clash. In addition, viewers saw an espionage device in Israel, which was later undermined by a self-destruction system.

In Israel itself, the details of the operation carried out in November 2018, appeared more clarity only this summer. In particular, it became known that the unit commander of the Israelis did not die at the hands of the militants, but as a result of “friendly fire”. This was due to the fact that, acting undercover, to the last he tried to lull the vigilance of the other side, while other Israelis thought that they were exposed - as a result of which the exchange of fire began. In a note by the portal, the November operation in the Gaza Strip was called "failure."
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  1. antivirus
    antivirus 2 December 2019 16: 59
    0
    endless horror ... terrible end
    1. Maz
      Maz 2 December 2019 19: 09
      +6
      So, so, so, so, that is, if translated into a normal language, then the Israeli specialists could not identify their agent undercover in the gas sector during the mess and simply shot him with a fright .. Well, genius is far beyond all imaginable limits. And something does not surprise me.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 2 December 2019 20: 01
        0
        Jewish gambit yes
  2. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 2 December 2019 17: 04
    -5
    It happens. In Israel, all special forces units are classified, they generally have a responsible attitude to internal security in the units, so there may be overlays in cooperation ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 December 2019 21: 39
      +5
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      It happens. In Israel, all special forces units are classified, they generally have a responsible attitude to internal security in the units, so there may be overlays in cooperation ...

      Let them not worry about this. If they overwhelmed their own, and besides, not an ordinary soldier, then the operation itself was thus prepared - impromptu and on the knee. Let them thank Avigdor, who in my opinion at that time was the main troublemaker in the armed forces of Israel, without whose sanction such an operation could not have taken place. Perhaps he was an entertainer because the chair under him began to swing and it was necessary to show the public an enchanting success, which in fact became a failure. As a consolation to the Jews, there is an example of their much more unlucky colleagues of mattresses, who along the way, practically all of their last operations, conscientiously filled up and maintain their reputation as "invincible all rescuers" only thanks to the indefatigable Hollywood. it happens
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 2 December 2019 22: 19
        -12
        Looking with whom to compare ... More unlucky than in Russia it is difficult to link, we have worse than Avigdor ...
    3. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 2 December 2019 23: 16
      +4
      . there, in general, they are responsible for internal security in units, so there may be overlays in the interaction.

      Do you understand what you write?))
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 2 December 2019 23: 18
        -11
        Fine! And you probably do not understand what is the point
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 2 December 2019 23: 27
          +5
          According to your logic, it turns out that if you were BEING irresponsible, then there would be no overlays, in interaction, from your words)))
          1. Saboteur Holuy
            Saboteur Holuy 2 December 2019 23: 34
            -9
            I generally say, without going into details of this operation that I do not know ...
            I meant secrecy, that Israel is okay with that! What can’t you say about Russia ... Here, many boast that our special forces are the best at international competitions ... that's where Atas is full! The devil was laid precisely here, knowing our pride, we were specially lured!
            Now a country that has paid a lot of money for training essentially secret fighters has completely failed! Faces, fingerprints, a detailed biography of our elite fighters are stored in the FBI and similar organizations, they seem to be heard even here in Russia ... But we are the first everywhere ... because they are going to competitions! ((((This is just an example ...
            I am generally struck by the mental reflections of our military apparently ... and here too! They are seriously boasting that they are the best ... In the USSR, this was not ... an alarming factor! Glow everywhere wherever possible!
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 3 December 2019 00: 28
              +8
              Have you ever watched the participants of these competitions ??? There are either Alpha veterans or Chechens !!! You write nonsense with a smart look. And what are OUR ??? Of the Russians, NOBODY will call the former Israeli Defense Ministry of Liberman named after !! Because many do not understand who it is! You write from Israel on behalf of a resident of Russia.
            2. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 3 December 2019 17: 51
              0
              Glow everywhere wherever possible!

              A glaring, illustrative example is the departure of FSB graduates in a convoy on expensive cars in Moscow.
              Graduation not of specialists, but of careerists.
            3. volodimer
              volodimer 3 December 2019 19: 46
              0
              Saboteur, if the second part of the nickname is essentially a fact, then they will not understand you, but you don’t need to.
              I saw you komenty earlier. And I wrote everything I wanted hi
    4. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 3 December 2019 17: 46
      0
      Spy games. Everyone can happen.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 December 2019 17: 04
    +8
    What a news! What, blah blah blah .... WHAT is the level?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 December 2019 17: 14
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      What a news! What, blah blah blah .... WHAT is the level?

      Well, firstly it was discussed last year, and then in the media recently published some of the details.

      In July of this year, Israel was allowed to publish information on the completion of an internal army investigation into the circumstances of the operation conducted by the IDF special forces unit on November 11, 2018 in Khan Younis. During the investigation, many miscalculations were revealed. In particular, it was found that Lieutenant Colonel M., who commanded the operation, was killed not by Hamas fighters, but by another unit officer, also with the rank of lieutenant colonel. A bullet fired from a pistol with a silencer hit him. Miscalculations were also made during an accidental collision with a group of Hamas militants, a collision that entailed the failure of the operation. The conversation between the militants and the IDF soldiers undercover was suspicious. Realizing that they were exposed, the military opened fire. At the same time, Lieutenant Colonel M., who got out of the minibus, was killed, who continued to talk with the militants, trying to dispel suspicions. After that, the servicemen loaded the victims and equipment into the car and hastened to the point where the helicopter was waiting for them (the report noted that in this episode the soldiers acted competently, which allowed them to avoid captivity). During the evacuation, both they and the helicopter crew showed courage. Acting under fire, they took away all the secret equipment. Then the car was destroyed by the Israeli Air Force. From the moment the fire was opened, and until the helicopter landed in Israel, only 20 minutes passed.


      By the way

      Al-Jazeera TV showed footage of the discovery of an Israeli spy system installed by Israeli intelligence agents in the Zuaydah area. This system was discovered by militants, but when trying to remove it, it was blown up and several Hamas militants were killed.


      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 2 December 2019 18: 15
        +12
        "which allowed them to avoid captivity" - it is the Israelis who are the terrorists. did not act on their territory?
        1. Volga073
          Volga073 2 December 2019 18: 18
          +8
          So it is always
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 2 December 2019 18: 37
        0
        Aron Zaawi (Aron)
        Well, firstly it was discussed last year, and then in the media recently published some of the details.
        In yours, not ours, and the flag in your hands, what do we mean?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 2 December 2019 18: 58
          +2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Aron Zaawi (Aron)
          Well, firstly it was discussed last year, and then in the media recently published some of the details.
          In yours, not ours, and the flag in your hands, what do we mean?

          I have no idea. It's not me who posted the article on the forum.
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 2 December 2019 20: 25
            +3
            Quote: Aaron Zawi

            ...........I have no idea. It's not me who posted the article on the forum.

            But from your message it is clear that in that critical situation, only the soldiers and helicopter pilots who carried out the evacuation acted effectively. While their commanders fell each other with silencers and without.
      3. Maz
        Maz 2 December 2019 19: 12
        +4
        that is, they ran so fast and competently that they did it within 20 minutes? Well done.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 2 December 2019 21: 39
          -2
          Quote: Maz
          that is, they ran so fast and competently that they did it within 20 minutes? Well done.

          You wouldn’t run, but immediately give up. No one doubts you.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 December 2019 21: 43
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      What a news! What, blah blah blah .... WHAT is the level?

      Yes, everything is fine on VO. This topic was wiped out that year. Now only a few details reach out, though for some reason without reference to the "motherboard". You must have been on vacation laughing
  4. taiga2018
    taiga2018 2 December 2019 17: 11
    +3
    The Palestinians would have their own state and a normal army, and Israel would have behaved more modestly, and the Palestinians would not have to resort to partisan methods of struggle ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 December 2019 17: 28
      +3
      Israel left Gaza many years ago
      leaving the Arabs a modern infrastructure, a large hospital, water supply, sewage, electricity.
      Gaza is actually an independent state ruled by radical Islamists. For Israel, Gaza is an external adversary.
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 2 December 2019 17: 32
        +7
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Gaza is actually an independent state

        That is, the Israelis are building their settlements on the territory of the "independent" state?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 2 December 2019 17: 33
          +5
          There have been no Jewish settlements in Gaza for a long time. Not a single Israeli.
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 2 December 2019 17: 46
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            there are no Jewish settlements

            That is, they are not even on the West Bank ...
          2. MoJloT
            MoJloT 2 December 2019 18: 42
            +1
            Not a single Israeli.
            Is special forces counted for Israel? What did they do in
            virtually independent state
            Do you have any dissonance? With weapons to the article! They also killed 7 people.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 2 December 2019 21: 53
        +9
        Quote: voyaka uh
        For Israel, Gaza is an external adversary.

        Alexei, and which of the neighboring states is not an adversary for Israel? Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey are all opponents. Israel’s desire to split Syria into several states and form Kurdistan (at least Iraqi) is a fix idea for the Israeli leadership, and therefore Israel has supported Igilov thugs since 2011 and today is blowing in the direction of supporting Kurdish self-determination, providing them with financial and military support, because If this project is implemented, all of the listed countries will spend their resources on the war and will never be able to claim a leading role in the region. No, from the point of view of the development strategy of the state of Israel, this may be justified, but it’s somehow dirty and not good neighborly.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 2 December 2019 22: 44
          +1
          Almost everything (80%) that you wrote in your post is incorrect. But I will not be able to convince you - I already tried - it did not work out - and I see no further reason to argue with you. hi
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 2 December 2019 23: 15
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Almost everything (80%) that you wrote in your post is incorrect. But I will not be able to convince you - I already tried - it did not work out - and I see no further reason to argue with you. hi

            It's a pity! You are an interesting conversationalist. And yet, yes, in my comments, so as not to be unfounded, I try to rely on different sources. If you are interested, you can look here and get acquainted with a similar, or alternative, point of view on what is happening. hi
            https://insidearabia.com/israels-pkk-ypg-kurdish-connections/
            or here
            http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+AntiwarNews+(News+From+Antiwar.com)
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 2 December 2019 23: 55
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Almost everything (80%) that you wrote in your post is incorrect. But I will not be able to convince you - I already tried - it did not work out - and I see no further reason to argue with you.

            War is the path of deception.
            Sun - Tzu.
            feel
        2. Good_Anonymous
          Good_Anonymous 4 December 2019 01: 55
          +2
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Alexei, and which of the neighboring states is not an adversary for Israel?


          Egypt? Jordan? Lebanon?

          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey are all opponents.


          Why did Turkey, Iran and Iraq suddenly turn out to be "adjacent" states? This is how Armenia and Greece can be called "contiguous".
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 4 December 2019 10: 14
            +1
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Alexei, and which of the neighboring states is not an adversary for Israel?


            Egypt? Jordan? Lebanon?

            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey are all opponents.


            Why did Turkey, Iran and Iraq suddenly turn out to be "adjacent" states? This is how Armenia and Greece can be called "contiguous".

            What a literal expert you are! Of course you are right. However, if there are difficulties with the perception of the general meaning of the commentary, then replace the word "adjacent" with "regional" and re-read it again. Whoever wanted it understood.
            1. Good_Anonymous
              Good_Anonymous 4 December 2019 10: 39
              +2
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              replace the word "adjacent" with "regional" and re-read


              So with the regional is the same - with half of them, Israel has a calm relationship.
    2. vanavatny
      vanavatny 2 December 2019 17: 34
      -4
      ,, The Palestinians would have their own state and a normal army and Israel would behave more modestly, and the Palestinians would not have to resort to partisan methods of struggle ... That is, you judge the situation by pieces of information left from the lessons of political information? Well, what kind of state do they have? ...
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 2 December 2019 17: 39
        +6
        Quote: vanavate
        political information?

        Well, if you consider the Israeli air strikes on residential areas and the deaths of Palestinian civilians as political information, then yes ...
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny 2 December 2019 17: 47
          -4
          emotionally cried crying , and what does Palestinian statehood have to do with, in the world interesting only to those who want to earn endlessly on this topic? the topic itself is beaten, exhausted, and the idea is not feasible, but the Palestinian sufferers would be happy to work for a full-time shekel and not suffer from crap, that’s what’s happening, for the nonsense about Palestinian statehood is already obvious to everyone
          1. anjey
            anjey 2 December 2019 18: 29
            +3
            The ancient "nonsense" about the Jewish state, you, the Jews, many countries of the world, including the USSR, helped to bring to life laughing, only for joy or trouble, this is a question so far without a definite answer .....
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 2 December 2019 19: 36
          -2
          Quote: taiga2018
          Well, if you consider the Israeli air strikes on residential areas and the deaths of Palestinian civilians as political information, then yes ...

          You, a little bit messed up from the sector, gases launch rockets in residential neighborhoods and try to KILL PEACE residents, women, children, elderly people. Having fired from 400 to 500 missiles per day
          OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BOMBED

          According to the principle: "Who did not hide, I am not to blame"
          And Israel destroys terrorists through the window in the bedroom
  5. Shahno
    Shahno 2 December 2019 17: 12
    0
    Well yes. Here the flaw was in the interaction. The human factor, so to speak.
    No one is insured. ..
    Arabs here have little to do with the situation.
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 December 2019 17: 13
    +1
    A common story. Khamasniki special forces stopped (on suspicion) at a checkpoint on the way back after the operation: the installation of reconnaissance equipment near the house of the Hamas commander. The commander of the special forces went out to "chat" the Hamasniki in Arabic. I realized that they had been exposed. At the signal, the soldiers jumped out of the minibus and opened fire.
    Killed 7 Hamas, including their commander.
    The commander of the special forces also died from his bullet.
    Helicopters all evacuated.
    1. SSR
      SSR 2 December 2019 17: 24
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A common story. Khamasniki special forces stopped (on suspicion) at a checkpoint on the way back after the operation: the installation of reconnaissance equipment near the house of the Hamas commander. The commander of the special forces went out to "chat" the Hamasniki in Arabic. I realized that they had been exposed. At the signal, the soldiers jumped out of the minibus and opened fire.
      Killed 7 Hamas, including their commander.
      The commander of the special forces also died from his bullet.
      Helicopters all evacuated.

      In your retelling of events, everything turns out worthy, but questions remain, such as how the Arabs found the installed device, or why did they self-destruct if the battle was already at the checkpoint?
      Separately, what kind of weapon and why was it demonstrated? Who dropped it? How many units were displayed?
      IMHA. Not everything was so rosy, not as you retold.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 December 2019 17: 30
        +3
        I didn’t say there was anything “rainbow”. This battle was forced - the FALSE of the covert operation. But this is reality, not Hollywood.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 2 December 2019 17: 45
          +4
          The commander of the special forces of the IDF (or "Duvdevan" a) is undoubtedly a hero! No matter how it relates to your war, the colonel's deed is selfless, to the end play the role of an Arab - a field commander, knowing that at any moment you can "catch" a bullet. But all the same it is risky, risky ... Somewhere analysts did not complete the "legend". Other soldiers could have died.
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          2. SSR
            SSR 2 December 2019 21: 44
            +2
            Quote: rruvim
            The commander of the special forces of the IDF (or "Duvdevan" a) is undoubtedly a hero!

            And it was disputed by someone?
            The thing is that not everything is as Kamrad described.
        2. SSR
          SSR 2 December 2019 21: 46
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I didn’t say there was anything “rainbow”. This battle was forced - the FALSE of the covert operation. But this is reality, not Hollywood.

          Kamrad, re-read your post. Routine and work. I asked
          Quote: SSR
          In your retelling of events, everything turns out worthy, but questions remain, such as how the Arabs found the installed device, or why did they self-destruct if the battle was already at the checkpoint?
          Separately, what kind of weapon and why was it demonstrated? Who dropped it? How many units were displayed?

          I don’t know. Question mark.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 2 December 2019 20: 13
        -2
        Quote: SSR
        but questions remain, such as how the Arabs found the installed device, or why did they self-destruct if the battle was already at the checkpoint?

        1All the old and new radio equipment that did not have time to be installed on a helicopter was taken out with the special forces
        Quote: SSR
        Separately, what kind of weapon and why was it demonstrated?

        Demonstrated personal weapons identification card on the residents of Gaza who were then arrested, and what could stay there, see for yourself.

        The exchange of fire began, and Israeli military aircraft and helicopters launched air strikes in the area, apparently to cover their soldiers when they returned to Israel. Gaza fighters strike back with the most powerful missile bombardment since the last conflict in 2014
        What could stay there?
    2. Binder
      Binder 2 December 2019 17: 47
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The usual story.

      Usually our guys come, do business and quietly leave, there was just an emergency. Moreover, as far as I recall, the Hamasites did not slow down the group like the Israelis, but mistook them for representatives of another Arab group. That's why Lieutenant Colonel-Druze, being the only one of the fighters for whom Arabic was the native language, tried to make a bazaar. Not a ride, the earth rest in peace.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 2 December 2019 17: 55
        +3
        So I am tormented by "disturbing doubts". Usually Israel voices the names of its heroes so that the children learn exploits. And then the name of the hero, Colonel M., who died during the execution of the assignment, was classified. Was he not an Arab in the service of Zionism? And the whole unit? Then their relatives in Israel are in GREAT danger ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 2 December 2019 17: 59
          +2
          He is friends by nationality. Druze serve in the IDF. Officers. There is even a general. Serious people organized. They live compactly in their towns and villages.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 2 December 2019 18: 05
            +1
            I know who the Druze are and where they live. That is, the operation, back in 2018, was not attended by Jews, but by Druze? Although they speak Arabic with an accent. Either the Jews participated, but the commander turned out to be Druz, who came under "friendly" fire. Or, the unit was from the Arabs, but the commander turned out to be Druz, and fell under ...
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 2 December 2019 18: 14
              0
              Or it was a unit of Druze with Jews who, in a shootout, "accidentally" shot down their Arab, who looked more believable for Hamas fighters, who was disguised as a field commander. Until the secret of Colonel M.'s name is revealed, any assumptions can be made. Although I cannot imagine how it is possible to shoot seven people of the KHAMASOVTSEV at the checkpoint from a minibus at once, while losing only the hero-translator. After all, the special forces also had Kalash, not lasguns. The fire support helicopters flew up only 20 minutes later.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 2 December 2019 18: 35
              +6
              Or you just want to chat on some little meaningful posts ... and this is the most likely option.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 2 December 2019 18: 41
                0
                Yes, I want to. Moreover, this case has already been "disassembled" by cogs a year ago. And he is one of hundreds of cases that are constantly in the Middle East. What not to bother? All the more, everyone is worried about the death of the hero-colonel M., and not the death of seven Hamasites.
        2. Binder
          Binder 2 December 2019 18: 01
          +5
          Quote: rruvim
          But was he not an Arab in the service of Zionism? And the whole unit? Then their relatives in Israel are in GREAT danger ...

          Lieutenant Colonel was a Druze by nationality. And they did not voice his name because one of the members of this family continues to serve in the Israeli security forces. For Druze this is a common thing, they hate Muslims fiercely for centuries of oppression.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 2 December 2019 18: 32
            -1
            Well, actually I'm talking about it. Druzu druze strife. There are many of them in Lebanon. In the war between the Maronites and the Shiites, they were in neutral (the Druze themselves are one of the orthodox branches of Shiism). Many Druze (if not most) supporters of Assad in Syria. Those who are in the service of the IDF are very few. Therefore, it is necessary to write the title: "The failure of the Druze mercenaries in the service of Israel in 2018".
            1. Binder
              Binder 2 December 2019 18: 38
              +5
              Quote: rruvim
              Those who are in the service of the IDF are very few. Therefore, it is necessary to write the title: "The failure of the Druze mercenaries in the service of Israel in 2018".

              You're wrong. Israeli Druze are massively drafted for military service in the IDF in the same way as Jews, only one difference is that their girls are not drafted. So there can be no talk of mercenarism.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 2 December 2019 18: 51
                +2
                So it is compulsion! Or do you want to say that the Druze conscript reads the oath in full on the tomb of David? Or do they say "I declare" instead of "I swear"?
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 2 December 2019 21: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: rruvim
                  So - this is coercion!

                  It means LITERACY
                  https://topwar.ru/158374-neevrejskij-cahal-kak-v-izrailskoj-armii-sluzhat-beduiny-i-cherkesy.html
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 2 December 2019 21: 32
                    +3
                    Vitaliy! And why are you doing this? I know that IDF girls from Sudan and Ethiopia now serve in the IDF (they are ready to accept Judaism for something to eat and get shekels). . The question was the oath, the oath. Orthodox Hasidim who you catch from time to time for military service do not read the Oath, but make a statement. Does this apply to Arabs?
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 2 December 2019 23: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: rruvim
                      embrace judaism

                      And you know what it is to accept Judaism, it is not at all like Christianity is accepted.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 2 December 2019 18: 52
              +4
              Quote: rruvim
              Well, actually I'm talking about it. Druzu druze strife. There are many of them in Lebanon. In the war between the Maronites and the Shiites, they were in neutral (the Druze themselves are one of the orthodox branches of Shiism). Many Druze (if not most) supporters of Assad in Syria. Those who are in the service of the IDF are very few. Therefore, it is necessary to write the title: "The failure of the Druze mercenaries in the service of Israel in 2018".

              1) Druze and Shiism - things are very different
              2) Friends according to their religion cannot have their own state - therefore, in Syria they are pro-Assad, and in the war of Christians with Muslims, Valit Jumbalat sided with the pro-Syrian forces, because Maronites to the guise of the first Lebanese attacked the Druze.
              3) In the service in the IDF, the police, an analogue of the Federal Penitentiary Service, in the Israeli special services and many government agencies, the Druze serve without exception - the entire male population of this nation living in Israel. In my unit, Druze was my commander of the platoon, the other was the commander of the district, before the demobilization, the Druze also became the commander of the military branch - Fares. In my unit, in an installment, and then in the state structure, in which I worked for a while, there were a bit more of them than dofiga.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 2 December 2019 19: 02
                -1
                Well, persuaded. But if these Ismaili Arabs who serve Israel were not afraid of their compatriots (wrong), relatives, they would give their permission to make public the names of their fellow tribesmen who died for the good of Israel. And so, they are afraid. This means that not all Arabs-Druzes agree with the actions of the Druze special forces in the service of the IDF.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 2 December 2019 19: 23
                  +3
                  ??
                  Do not publish due to relatives in special units
                  The unit is not Druze - they only have national infantry
                  And, give them free rein, they would genocide Arabs. There is something for
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 2 December 2019 19: 29
                    -4
                    Druze - the Arabs themselves !!! Ethnic. Do not confuse the Druze in the service of Israel and the rest of the Druze.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 2 December 2019 19: 47
                      +5
                      I do not confuse. I know a lot about them. They are Arabic speaking, but not Arabs. Among them are many light, blue-eyed, etc.
                2. Binder
                  Binder 2 December 2019 19: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: rruvim
                  would give their permission to make public the names of their fellow tribesmen who perished for the good of Israel. And so, they are afraid.

                  It is not a matter of resolution or fear. In Israel, there are strict restrictions on information about employees of certain state and army structures. Often even close relatives do not know what their family members are doing. And nat. belonging here does not matter. I once knew a pretty old man who was a cartoonist, so only at the funeral did his family learn that he had been an intelligence officer for many years. So it goes...
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 2 December 2019 19: 54
                    0
                    Alive yes !!! But there are no prisoners and dead. Example: Gilad Shalit or Sergeant Zachariah Baumel, who died in 1982.
            3. avib
              avib 2 December 2019 19: 47
              +2
              the Druzes themselves are one of the orthodox branches of Shiism

              This is strong! And, most importantly, how peremptory! And how to continue the discussion after this?
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 2 December 2019 19: 59
                -1
                Yes and no! Just read their Shahada and mark Ashura. And so the Druzes have 50 tons and more sects.
            4. Roman1970_1
              Roman1970_1 2 December 2019 22: 01
              +1
              Those who are in the service of AOI - units

              Druzes are military-vulnerable.
              All serve, not units
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 2 December 2019 18: 42
        +1
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The usual story.

        Usually our guys come, do business and quietly leave, there was just an emergency. Moreover, as far as I recall, the Hamasites did not slow down the group like the Israelis, but mistook them for representatives of another Arab group. That's why Lieutenant Colonel-Druze, being the only one of the fighters for whom Arabic was the native language, tried to make a bazaar. Not a ride, the earth rest in peace.

        My opinion is that the event (we had such a term - military organizational special event, when there was no war, but something had to be done) was prepared very superficially, in the hope of good luck. The commander received a well-deserved "mark". Without lyrics and emotions, it is. Outcome - the group was found and identified (based on the results), suffered losses, the goal of the event was not achieved. By all canons, this is a failure. And the failure of not only the group, but also the system of preparation and holding of such events. Well, probably, some conclusions have been drawn, I don't know, tk. Israel is of little concern to me. He spoke out as a participant in several small and short-term military organizational special events during the Soviet Union.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 2 December 2019 21: 42
          +2
          Quote: Doliva63
          we had such a term - military orgspecial event

          Valentine hi org - organizational? Then why special? Or did you call it that between you?
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 3 December 2019 16: 20
            +1
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: Doliva63
            we had such a term - military orgspecial event

            Valentine hi org - organizational? Then why special? Or did you call it that between you?

            hi , not so in the travel written. I'm not guilty laughing And in the order on the part - too. drinks The order contains no tasks, only the destination, who exactly, with what weapon / equipment, and timing. The task was set on the spot. It happened that they went on "additional exploration", but rarely.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 3 December 2019 17: 40
              -1
              Quote: Doliva63
              Quote: Terenin
              Quote: Doliva63
              we had such a term - military orgspecial event

              Valentine hi org - organizational? Then why special? Or did you call it that between you?

              hi , not so in the travel written. I'm not guilty laughing And in the order on the part - too. drinks The order contains no tasks, only the destination, who exactly, with what weapon / equipment, and timing. The task was set on the spot. It happened that they went on "additional exploration", but rarely.

              Yes, I also want to understand the logic of the staff guys laughing if you meant ogre- limited, the event is a subspecies of the operation (military or otherwise). Yes, God bless them, it’s so - to have fun ... hi
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 3 December 2019 18: 03
                0
                Quote: Terenin
                Quote: Doliva63
                Quote: Terenin
                Quote: Doliva63
                we had such a term - military orgspecial event

                Valentine hi org - organizational? Then why special? Or did you call it that between you?

                hi , not so in the travel written. I'm not guilty laughing And in the order on the part - too. drinks The order contains no tasks, only the destination, who exactly, with what weapon / equipment, and timing. The task was set on the spot. It happened that they went on "additional exploration", but rarely.

                Yes, I also want to understand the logic of the staff guys laughing if you meant ogre- limited, the event is a subspecies of the operation (military or otherwise). Yes, God bless them, it’s so - to have fun ... hi

                It’s useless to delve into their logic, it knows no reasonable boundaries laughing
                But, for example, if we are attracted by the Evil command in our district, then it’s just an order from the unit commander, and if in other places, then through higher headquarters on the basis of these very events. And it can be an event for just a few hours. But all is one - through writing out certificates, etc. When, later, he himself was the commander of a unit (a separate army company), business trips of military personnel from Orenburg to Blagoveshchensk did not require any order, except mine. True, this was a different kind of aircraft.
                And I'm always happy to have fun with vodka drinks
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 3 December 2019 00: 31
      0
      Is your series Fauda such units? Pseudo-Arabs?
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 3 December 2019 07: 08
        +1
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Is your series Fauda such units? Pseudo-Arabs?

        there is such a division, "mistaarvim." carry out operations in Arab towns and villages disguised as Arabs.
        in order to serve there, one must pass a check on the estate of iron yai * c. not for the faint of heart.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 3 December 2019 12: 19
          +1
          in order to serve there, one must pass a check on the estate of iron yai * c. not for the faint of heart.

          Clear business. Any specials. and intelligence. divisions suggest the presence of metal testicles.
  7. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 2 December 2019 17: 47
    0
    It seems not April 1. request
    Is it really true? lol
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 December 2019 18: 44
    +2
    Why is the "failure" in quotes? Quite soundly and frankly failed. Why crumple and build excuses now? It's a matter of everyday life.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 2 December 2019 19: 37
      0
      Yes there was no failure. After all, a clear translation:
      that the operation commander, Lieutenant Colonel M., was killed not by Hamas fighters, but by another unit officer, also with the rank of lieutenant colonel. A bullet fired from a pistol with a silencer hit him.
      . Not in a shootout with the evil Hamas ... At what distance can you kill a pistol with a silencer, even if it's Jericho 941?
      Obviously point blank. That is the question? And not in the evil Hamas with Kalash.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 2 December 2019 19: 43
        0
        Therefore, they hide the name of the deceased lieutenant colonel-Druze from the public. Not so much from the Arabs of the Khamasovites as from the Druze of comrades who want to find out which other lieutenant colonel from a minibus, or from somewhere, shot a pistol with a silencer at their commander.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 2 December 2019 19: 52
          +1
          Yes, there everyone knows for a long time)).
          And relatives and friends and the whole village. Ng, since most of them serve in combat units, no one will throw that for a pistol with a silencer. Because they understand from what distance you can bang, what situations are in battle, etc.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 2 December 2019 19: 55
        +3
        winked Well, there was no failure, it wasn’t. It was a brilliant operation, as a result of which one senior officer flunked another senior officer. And his. If it’s easier for you, for God's sake. hi
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 2 December 2019 20: 06
          -4
          Perhaps, as an officer of one State, an officer of that State from a pistol with a silencer. But ethnically, who failed? Do I already call Israel the State ... feel
          1. Binder
            Binder 2 December 2019 22: 22
            0
            Quote: rruvim
            Do I already call Israel the State ...

            In fact, Israel has had the status of a state since 1948 ...
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 2 December 2019 22: 28
              0
              Yeah. The truth is in other boundaries. It was Koba who hurried, painfully wanted to "annoy" the Anglo-Saxons.
              1. Binder
                Binder 2 December 2019 22: 31
                -1
                With or without Koba, Israel would still have gained independence. Many Russians today tend to exaggerate Stalin’s role in this matter after L. Mlechin’s unsuccessful joke.
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim 2 December 2019 22: 37
                  +1
                  Mlechin is your fellow countryman, ask him from him.
                  1. Binder
                    Binder 2 December 2019 22: 56
                    -1
                    Among my fellow tribesmen, unfortunately, far from all clever people ...
  9. Shahno
    Shahno 2 December 2019 19: 57
    -1
    Quote: rruvim
    Well, actually I'm talking about it. Druzu druze strife. There are many of them in Lebanon. In the war between the Maronites and the Shiites, they were in neutral (the Druze themselves are one of the orthodox branches of Shiism). Many Druze (if not most) supporters of Assad in Syria. Those who are in the service of the IDF are very few. Therefore, it is necessary to write the title: "The failure of the Druze mercenaries in the service of Israel in 2018".

    The Druze have their own understanding of Islam ..
    And I will even say more, some of them have rather old Kurdish roots, some families ..
  10. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 2 December 2019 20: 08
    +2
    Options are either bad or worse))

    In any case, loss is bad.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 2 December 2019 20: 14
      +1
      Whose losses? Lt. Col. IDF Arab-Druze? Or seven young Palestinian Arabs at the Hamas checkpoint?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 2 December 2019 20: 19
        +1
        If you are in active service in the Israeli army, then you better know))
      2. Binder
        Binder 2 December 2019 22: 19
        +1
        Quote: rruvim
        Or seven young Palestinian Arabs at the Hamas checkpoint?

        There they are dear.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 2 December 2019 22: 26
          0
          You are our humanitarian. I did not expect any other comment. As my friend Leiba ben Nathan used to say: "Reuben, if you want to see the bloodthirsty tribe in the world, look at yourself ..."
          1. Binder
            Binder 2 December 2019 22: 28
            0
            Friends, however ...
  11. rruvim
    rruvim 2 December 2019 20: 50
    +1
    Still all the topics about the fact that IDF officers, even from special forces, speak Farsi do not stand up to criticism. The legend about the IDF detachment, which in the "War of Attrition" traveled along the western bank of the Nile on Soviet armored personnel carriers and Shishigas, in 1969-70s, and pretended to be Arabs, destroying air defense systems (even P-14) has already grown moss and saxaul. Nowadays, modern Israeli youth are unable to say anything intelligible in the language of their enemies. There is only one thing left: Arab mercenaries, even if they are from ISIS.
  12. Bukhalov
    Bukhalov 2 December 2019 21: 14
    -1
    Quote: taiga2018
    Quote: voyaka uh
    there are no Jewish settlements

    That is, they are not even on the West Bank ...

    It was about the Gaza Strip. In the West Bank of Jordan, within the Palestinian Authority, there is not a single Israeli soldier or policeman, as well as Jewish settlers. If you mean the "Green Line", then the disputed territories in which only Jews live. There are exactly the same areas of land in Israel, on which only Arabs live. The "green line" is adjacent to Israel, Arab settlements to autonomy. This is all the result of the English games: the Jews settled only on deserted and deserted lands, which they bought from the Turks, the Arabs who came from Yemen and Sudan settled nearby. Because they could feed on Jewish jobs. Israel offered to give part of its territory inhabited by Arabs to Palestine, and Jews to Israel. Where there is .... Although this would allow Israel to level the border, as in the 40th it aligned the border with Suomi with the USSR.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 2 December 2019 21: 48
      0
      Well a lie! I have already counted over 30 Jewish settlements beyond the green line. For example: עִמָּנוּאֵל
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 2 December 2019 21: 52
        0
        And what's more:
        The United States has changed its stance on Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. Washington no longer considers them to violate international law.
        You are entrenched thanks to your lobby in the USA.
      2. Bukhalov
        Bukhalov 2 December 2019 22: 45
        +1
        You got confused, dear, by posting in Hebrew the name of a famous French erotic feature film. And the settlements you are referring to are inhabited exclusively by Jews. And Trump, God give him health, has already said that they are settled legally. That is, he completely agreed with me, not with you. For the sake of interest, you would read the text of the conference in San Remo, or the text of the mandate given by the League of Nations of Great Britain. By the way, it has not been canceled and is recognized by the UN. According to these legal documents, the entire territory of present-day Jordan was ceded, yes, to him, plus everything, I emphasize, all the Golan. But the UN resolution on the creation of an Arab state, which did not even receive a name, was not recognized by any Arab state. I will say more, Jordan and Egypt seized the territories intended for this stillborn formation, and the UN resolution was not implemented. Through the fault of the Arabs who started an all-out war against Israel. But here, as the poet Barkov wrote, "The game came out bad ....". So before trying to count, you must at least learn to read.
  13. rruvim
    rruvim 2 December 2019 21: 41
    +3
    New IDF face:

    Here, the guys from Hamas will definitely not make mistakes. That in Arabic such special forces will say that in Hebrew.
    1. Binder
      Binder 2 December 2019 22: 17
      +1
      Quote: rruvim
      Here, the guys from Hamas will definitely not make mistakes.

      You should not think so. Among Arabs there are also persons with obvious features of the Negroid race, so not everything is clear ...
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 2 December 2019 22: 21
        -1
        You acknowledge that you will use the Arabs against the Arabs themselves, albeit with Negroid traits. Oh ...
        1. Binder
          Binder 2 December 2019 22: 26
          +1
          Nobody uses anyone. Among Israeli citizens who are not Jews, all male Druze go to the army, many Muslim Bedouins, as well as Circassians, there are military personnel and other faiths.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 2 December 2019 22: 31
            0
            Yes, I know, I know. Arabs are sitting in the Knesset. And who knows, maybe the British are also one of the lost tribes of Israel?
            1. Binder
              Binder 2 December 2019 22: 32
              +1
              It is possible, although unlikely ... winked
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 December 2019 23: 29
      -3
      Quote: rruvim
      New IDF face:

      Here, the guys from Hamas will definitely not make mistakes. That in Arabic such special forces will say that in Hebrew.

      Among the Arabs they are called Abu Samra - i.e. black)).
      The Palestinians have enough of them, they came at one time in droves from Sudan to the construction of the railway Jaffa-Damascus)).
  14. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 2 December 2019 22: 18
    0
    The earth burns under the feet of the invaders
    1. Bukhalov
      Bukhalov 2 December 2019 22: 49
      -1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The earth burns under the feet of the invaders

      If you add only one word "Arab" to your post, I fully agree with you. Moreover, it is so.
  15. Tank hard
    Tank hard 2 December 2019 23: 59
    +2
    Failures happen to everyone. There is one important point, opponents learn and become stronger ... request
  16. Rwmos
    Rwmos 3 December 2019 02: 16
    0
    The group was discovered by the lack of water in the taps.
  17. rotfuks
    rotfuks 4 December 2019 11: 55
    0
    probably the cover of the agent was so dense that he was not even recognized by his own. Not otherwise, this agent was a bearded woman, like the famous singer (or singer) Wurst. And since they did not recognize, then they shot. The privacy mode played a trick.