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“With surcharge of palm oil”: In Malaysia, they are ready to exchange the Su-30МКМ for the Su-35 and the MiG-29 for the MiG-35

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The Minister of Defense of Malaysia confirmed the information about the proposal from Russia on the exchange of fighters available in the kingdom's air force for newer modifications.


According to the head of the military department of Malaysia, Mohammad Sabu, expressed before the parliament, it is extremely important for the country's air force aviation for surveillance from the air, as well as maneuverable fighters.

At the same time, Sabu noted that until 2030, Malaysia would not consider such a question as the acquisition of completely new combat aircraft (“from scratch”) - the Air Force will focus on upgrading the operating versions. The Minister of Defense also referred to the possibility of exchanging aircraft for modernization.

At the moment, the Malaysian Air Force operates 18 Su-30MKM fighters, which were supplied starting from 2007 year. These fighters are equipped with multiple French-made systems, including indicators (ILS), infrared vision sensors, etc.

Malaysia also has in its fleet of 10 MiG-29 fighters. Earlier in Kuala Lumpur, it was announced that the life of these fighters had already expired and now a replacement is necessary.

Parliamentarians asked the Minister if the defense department is going to change all 28 aircraft of Russian production to new modifications, also made in the Russian Federation? The Minister of Defense noted that everyone may not be talking about, but options are being considered with the exchange of several Su-30МКМ for Su-35 and MiG-29 for MiG-35, if the surcharge will be made with Malaysian palm oil.

In addition, Sabu noted that the country needs a naval patrol aircraft, as well as flight simulators for training pilots.

About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2019 09: 35
    0
    Sabu noted that the country needs a naval patrol aircraft, as well as flight simulators to train pilots.
    About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported.

    It is clear that we NEED to do the whole range of equipment and military equipment, for MYSELF and for sale, if it is of high quality and sufficient for our needs!
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 29 November 2019 09: 43
      +39
      Really - Amazing! belay The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???
      Let them dig in the bins ... what
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2019 09: 52
        0
        Commercial affairs, secrets.
        In principle, any product is a product if it can be converted into what is needed without any problems. Someone likes it, does not like it, the main thing is that the "suit would sit"!
        1. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 29 November 2019 11: 26
          +6
          And why do we need this, take this obsolete trash, and in return even with surcharge, give modern planes?

          What will we do with this stuff then? Yes, even with French electronics, which we can turn off at any time.
          1. krot
            krot 29 November 2019 11: 42
            +20
            What kind of palm oil? It’s also technical, come on .. People get more poison from such products. Barrage duties did not palm oil go through the Duma? And then there’s some silence.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 29 November 2019 11: 52
              +9
              Quote: krot
              What kind of palm oil? It’s also technical, come on .. People get more poison from such products. Barrage duties did not palm oil go through the Duma? And then there’s some silence.

              ---
              there is such a lobby hoo! oil is already everywhere shoved into products
            2. KCA
              KCA 30 November 2019 10: 45
              -1
              We got it with palm oil, it’s the oil, it’s not very different from sunflower oil, margarine was EVERYWHERE in the USSR, I don’t remember people screaming about its harm, any baking recipe, what’s there in the number one? Margarine children from infancy used, nothing, grew up alive and healthy, like me, for example
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2019 11: 52
            -4
            Quote: 1Alexey
            And why do we need this, take this obsolete trash,

            Oh how loudly stated. Probably a great special in the aircraft industry.
          3. Revival
            Revival 29 November 2019 13: 49
            +3
            And we will give Mongolia, etc.
        2. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 29 November 2019 11: 56
          +16
          Quote: rocket757
          Commercial affairs, secrets.
          In principle, any product is a product if it can be converted into what is needed without any problems. Someone likes it, does not like it, the main thing is that the "suit would sit"!


          Nothing personal. Just business. Put on a grand scale.
          Russia is one of the largest producers and exporters of sunflower oil: the whole country can be provided with this valuable product rich in vitamins and polyunsaturated fatty acids. But they prefer to sell it abroad. And in return, cheap palm oil is brought to us from Tanzania and Malaysia - a surrogate dangerous to the body, which is forbidden for use in the food industry in all developed countries.
          Palm oil as a substitute for vegetable fats in the Russian food industry came in the early 2000s - in the form of industrial raw materials. This is the way it is today - according to the Federal Customs Service, they bring us more than 300 thousand tons per year of overseas convenience foods. This is enough to include palm oil in almost all food products. And also in the composition of soaps, shampoos, creams.


          Thanks to several signatures from officials, tropical vegetable fat quickly became a strategically important product for the country. So important that in 2003 a dizzying scheme was drawn up to exchange Malaysian palm oil for modern Russian Su-30MKM fighters. The negative consequences of the use of palm oil were then treacherously hidden, and our citizens began to get used to the unappetizing, plasticine-like Malaysian fat. But suddenly, in January of this year, the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko blocked the supply of cheese from Ukraine: palm oil was found in it. For some reason, the chief sanitary doctor was not embarrassed by the fact that at that time 60 percent of Russian food products no longer had either cream or milk fat - instead they used the same tropical substitute. On the packaging there is either not a word about it, or neutral "vegetable fat". Which manufacturer wants to lower the price of their goods, calling sour cream a "sour cream product", butter "spread", as it should be by law?


          In Taman, “valuable” raw materials are supplied by giant tankers to the transshipment and production complex for processing palm oil.

          https://korobok12.livejournal.com/624799.html
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2019 12: 23
            -1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Nothing personal. Just business. Put on a grand scale.

            This is obvious and has long been known to everyone.
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Russia is one of the largest producers and exporters of sunflower oil: the whole country can be provided with this valuable product rich in vitamins and polyunsaturated fatty acids. But they prefer to sell it abroad. But in exchange

            Are you serious? Do you have enough vegetable oil? Which one?
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Quote: rocket757
            Commercial affairs, secrets.
            In principle, any product is a product if it can be converted into what is needed without any problems. Someone likes it, does not like it, the main thing is that the "suit would sit"!


            Nothing personal. Just business. Put on a grand scale.
            Russia is one of the largest producers and exporters of sunflower oil: the whole country can be provided with this valuable product rich in vitamins and polyunsaturated fatty acids. But they prefer to sell it abroad. And in return, cheap palm oil is brought to us from Tanzania and Malaysia - a surrogate dangerous to the body, which is forbidden for use in the food industry in all developed countries.
            Palm oil as a substitute for vegetable fats in the Russian food industry came in the early 2000s - in the form of industrial raw materials. This is the way it is today - according to the Federal Customs Service, they bring us more than 300 thousand tons per year of overseas convenience foods. This is enough to include palm oil in almost all food products. And also in the composition of soaps, shampoos, creams.


            Thanks to several signatures from officials, tropical vegetable fat quickly became a strategically important product for the country. So important that in 2003 a dizzying scheme was drawn up to exchange Malaysian palm oil for modern Russian Su-30MKM fighters. The negative consequences of the use of palm oil were then treacherously hidden, and our citizens began to get used to the unappetizing, plasticine-like Malaysian fat. But suddenly, in January of this year, the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko blocked the supply of cheese from Ukraine: palm oil was found in it. For some reason, the chief sanitary doctor was not embarrassed by the fact that at that time 60 percent of Russian food products no longer had either cream or milk fat - instead they used the same tropical substitute. On the packaging there is either not a word about it, or neutral "vegetable fat". Which manufacturer wants to lower the price of their goods, calling sour cream a "sour cream product", butter "spread", as it should be by law?


            In Taman, “valuable” raw materials are supplied by giant tankers to the transshipment and production complex for processing palm oil.

            https://korobok12.livejournal.com/624799.html

            I don’t offer to eat delicious homemade, I don’t like homemade sour cream because of fat content, but there’s plenty to buy, choose from! Good brands have long been known and are not absolutely expensive and inaccessible!
            By the way, on the shelves the products are divided and you can choose the tasty one, just being attentive and taking amplifying glasses (small texts print), CAN!
            I got garbage, you can take it to the store and turn it in. If it does not correspond to what is written or spoiled.
            In short, all sorts of different things ... not edible in bulk in our stores, so we must not take this, it will become smaller !!!
            It amazes me when people buy all sorts of "rollton" string bags ??? or an aunt, herself twice as wide as herself, buys cheap sausage with STICKS !!! what for?
            People, do not be enemies YOURSELF!
            1. Revival
              Revival 29 November 2019 13: 55
              +8
              Your idea is clear, but ..
              Do you think that aunt can buy a real sausage with sticks?
              Have you seen the price of a sausage that is natural "pure"?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 November 2019 14: 30
                -2
                Quote: Revival
                Your idea is clear, but ..
                Do you think that aunt can buy a real sausage with sticks?
                Have you seen the price of a sausage that is natural "pure"?

                I don’t eat either roltones or sausage ... the sausage that my aunt bought, even cats, are unlikely to be!
                This is not a joke, this is a real case, and my aunt, with her dimensions, probably she was so blown away by hunger !!! By the way, this is a VILLAGE! Everyone who lives there can, can earn and live normally, the conditions are so perfect, the location is good. It is only necessary to get down from the sofa and the garden, the personal plot to begin to process, for example!
                I don’t live on a willow tree and I KNOW that the working, living conditions are different everywhere .... I go up to the roosters every day to feed the living creatures and have time for work !!! Today the ice, it took a long time ... by our standards, of course. I know that it happens much further, harder, more uncomfortable.
                1. tech3030
                  tech3030 30 November 2019 14: 31
                  +3
                  Aunts carry not from gluttony, but from diseases, harmonic disorders. My mother is so sick, diabetes and so on. Five of us raised, for the body it does not go in vain. Hence the excess weight. Well, and palm oil, I think good will not do anything good for health.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 30 November 2019 15: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: tech3030
                    Aunts carry not from gluttony, but from diseases, harmonious disorders

                    It’s not a question, we all have Moms, elderly relatives are also aware of age-related, occupational diseases by hearsay.
                    And palm oil should be used for technical needs or wherever else, just not for food. This is clear.
                    BUT, we ourselves must NOT eat anything that arouses suspicion ... we must show a bit of attentiveness and sanity.
                    Do not use all sorts of rubbish and all.
                    Not all white sugar, not all odorous is natural ... we have olfactory organs and once we run into beautifully packed rubbish, don’t take it anymore and advise others to do the same!
                    Today, two teenagers snooped around the store, they shot a denyushka ... What a rascal! With headphones in their ears and smartphones in teams .... compassionate women gave them a little money, and compassionate cigars gave CIGARETTS when asked ....
                    Took away, so shouted from a distance .... well, it dawned on the crap that he had done stupidity, even blushed! He felt ashamed and it pleases, I hope he won’t do that again.
                    WE ALL are responsible for what surrounds us! If the majority understands this, everyone will be better off!
                  2. sniperino
                    sniperino 30 November 2019 22: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: tech3030
                    Well, I think palm oil will not do anything good for health.
                    Margarine, they say, will be more harmful.
        3. lelik613
          lelik613 30 November 2019 08: 15
          +4
          The next day they will offer donkey urine and camel dung as payment.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 November 2019 15: 40
            0
            Quote: lelik613
            The next day they will offer donkey urine and camel dung as payment.

            No question, do not .... use! Nowhere will be realized, no one will drag it here.
            1. lelik613
              lelik613 1 December 2019 19: 38
              0
              You are just looking pessimistically at the creativity of our bosses.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 1 December 2019 21: 05
                0
                Quote: lelik613
                You are just looking pessimistically at the creativity of our bosses.

                I just think that it is time for compatriots to show sanity, and not hope for the good and the good .......
                1. lelik613
                  lelik613 27 December 2019 07: 13
                  0
                  Do you consider superiors compatriots?
                  "
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 27 December 2019 07: 45
                    0
                    Quote: lelik613
                    Do you consider superiors compatriots?

                    As you climb the career ladder, people change! Starting from a certain level, HEADS cease to consider those who are lower, equal to themselves, almost always!
                    Only the steps are different for everyone, at different heights.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 29 November 2019 10: 02
        +23
        They can, but why? They have oil problems right now. The EU (the main purchaser) banned them along with friends from Indonesia. Therefore, it is logical that problematic goods with overproduction are pushed to barter. They sell rare earths and high-tech equipment for loot and without any barter.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 10: 50
          +10
          Quote: donavi49
          Therefore, it is logical that problematic goods with overproduction are pushed to barter. They sell rare earths and high-tech equipment for loot and without any barter.

          And this is normal. It’s not normal when all the best is exported, and its own population is provided on a residual basis.
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 29 November 2019 10: 51
          +9
          “With surcharge of palm oil”: In Malaysia, they are ready to exchange the Su-30МКМ for the Su-35 and the MiG-29 for the MiG-35
          and if you mix it with soy, then in general such a "nyamka" will turn out! m..mm! and "ice cream" and "cottage cheese" and "cheeses" - the sea "! better than any fighter!"winkwelcome to "magnets" and "pyatyorochki"!
        3. St Petrov
          St Petrov 29 November 2019 11: 06
          0
          "Among the leaders in food consumption are the EU countries, the USA and Japan ... in general, Russia is in 17th place." Malaysian Palm Oil Producers Council

          That's how they banned
          1. Revival
            Revival 29 November 2019 13: 58
            -5
            Yes, only now, just pay attention to the type of oil that is consumed in the EU and ours.
            And everything will fall into place .. we are mainly brought in, something that is forbidden to look there, like the "third world"
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 14: 03
              -1
              Quote: Revival
              pay attention to the type of oil that is consumed in the EU and here ... we are mainly imported, it is forbidden to look at it there

              Documents confirming your, ahem ... information - in the studio.

              Otherwise, trepidation turns out ... buddy wink
              1. Revival
                Revival 29 November 2019 15: 57
                -4
                Damn, I thought someone else, looked who requested the documents ...
                There is no my attention on you ...)
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 15: 58
                  -2
                  Quote: Revival
                  There is no my attention on you ...)

                  This is trepidation.

                  Quote: Revival
                  we are imported mainly, which is forbidden to look at

                  And this, therefore, too.

                  Chtd yes
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 29 November 2019 16: 04
                    -1
                    Okay, I'll write you again: your comments have been a "ringing void" for me for a year now. It was since I realized that your goal in any "protected" topic is just to divert the discussion aside, to blur uncomfortable questions and so on.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 17: 12
                      -2
                      Quote: Revival
                      your goal ... it is precisely and only to divert discussion to the side, to blur inconvenient issues, and so on.

                      My friend, you wrote directly to yourself. More precisely, you will not say good

                      So, again - to the topic of palm oil:

                      Quote: Revival
                      we are imported mainly, which is forbidden to look at

                      Whence firewood information? Well, you yourself didn’t come up with this laughing

                      If you wanted an uncomfortable question - catch it, everything is for you, practical yes
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      3. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 29 November 2019 11: 17
        +1
        .... can offer nothing but palm oil ???

        Why can not. It can very well. Voting at the UN for example. We oh how there are not enough votes in the UN in our favor. All who receive nishtyaki from Russia, then at least return the votes to the UN.
        With torn sheep at least a tuft of wool, but all good.
      4. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 29 November 2019 11: 23
        +18
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Really - Amazing! belay The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???
        Let them dig in the bins ... what

        The problem is not in them. The problem is in us. The beast is running to the catcher. Someone is rowing grandmothers with a shovel and does not care about the health of the people and the honor of the Su and Mig firms. This is incomprehensible to the mind of the new MiG-35 and Su-35 in exchange for poison Someone found "palm oil", so to speak. But because of this, the incidence of diseases is growing at once.
        “Russians can drink everything, even hydrochloric acid. But it will definitely kill you, ”said Czech laboratory experts after they examined butter sold in Russia and even ended up in state-funded schools in Russia. Palm oil in its composition turned out to be technical, with a 10-fold excess of European standards for the content of dangerous carcinogens, recognized as very toxic poison - the so-called glycidyl ethers (GE).
        In our country, the content of GE is not regulated at all by any standards, and therefore Rospotrebnadzor believes that there are no grounds for a response. Meanwhile, State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fedorov and a group of experts are urging urgent action and cleanse the country of poison.


        In 2017, 892 thousand tons of palm oil was imported into Russia, and last year - already 1 million 60 tons. Today it is impossible not to eat palm oil - it is almost everywhere. In the so-called dairy products, confectionery, chips, fast food, sauces. At the same time, approximately 83% of palm oil contains glycidyl ethers in quantities that sharply exceed the standards. Glycidol was recognized as a poison and carcinogen in Soviet times, in 1983. In 2008, sanitary rules were adopted, according to which it is classified as highly hazardous class A2 poisons and carcinogens. It provokes the development of many types of cancer, and in addition, it is able to change the genetic code of the cell. According to the doctor of medical sciences, the first deputy director of the REC “Biomed” Moscow State University Lomonosov Dmitry Edelev, any use is extremely dangerous: it is absorbed by the body by 97% and is able to penetrate even through the skin, while maintaining a carcinogenic effect.

        https://www.mk.ru/social/health/2019/09/23/v-pishhevom-palmovom-masle-nashli-opasneyshiy-yad.html
      5. opus
        opus 29 November 2019 11: 29
        +5
        Quote: Hunter 2
        The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???

        Amazing!
        Authoritative international experts have finally recognized the Russian Federation as a global superpower, one of the centers of power almost equal to the States and China. As noted in the official report of the Conference (Munich Security Conference 2017), a new era of competition between the "great powers" - the United States, China and Russia - is now beginning.

        Does the superpower pay for palm oil for its "unparalleled" military products?

        accepts this rapidly cheaper threshing floor?

        - In 2018, the EU officially banned food production containing glycidyl ethers and 3-MCPD
        PM in Europe is now only in diesel bio

        US palm oil consumption

        In 2015 in the USA the use of trans fats hazardous to health was prohibited in food, and in 2018, WHO made a similar recommendation to the whole world.

        So far, there is not much per capita, just over 3 kilograms per year per person. This is 2 times less than Russiabut the growth rate is impressive ..
        In 2016, Russia imported 885 thousand tons of palm oil.

        as they say "defenders"
        Myth number 8. Palm oil causes irreparable harm to the health of newborns - manufacturers of infant formula use it because of its low cost.
        The root of the wrong statement belay because palm oil is not only harmless to newborns, it is especially beneficial for them belay belay . Palm oil in baby formulas is an important and necessary ingredient. In the production of breast milk substitutes, it is important to fully comply with a unique set of fatty acids. One of these acids is palmitic, it is simply necessary for the growth and development of the baby and is found in breast milk. Therefore, manufacturers of mixtures and baby food use certain fractions of palm oil.


        According to the FCS, the import of palm oil in Russia in 2018 amounted to 1,06 million tons worth $ 748,4 million, while in 2017 import in kind was estimated at 891 thousand tons. According to the Institute for Agricultural Market Studies (IKAR) ), a slight increase in deliveries should be expected in 2019 - up to 1,2 million tons. As for the import for the season, in 2017/18, 934 thousand tons of palm oil were imported to Russia, which was a record result

        According to specialized sources, Cargill LLC is the leader in PM imports to Russia. a subsidiary of a multinational corporation Cargill, based in the United States, and the holding "Solar Products", part of the financial and industrial group "Bouquet" Vladislav Burov, who made a career in the Saratov region.
        They whisper that Vyacheslav Volodin, the current speaker of the State Duma, was at the origins of the company.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 29 November 2019 13: 03
          +10
          Quote: opus
          at the origins of the company was the current speaker of the State Duma "truth-teller" Vyacheslav Volodin.

          And former Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich
        2. Inokenty
          Inokenty 29 November 2019 21: 08
          +4
          opus (Anton)! Hello Jewish propagandist from Israel! Almost a year was gone. And what do you care about palm oil in Russia? Clearly, propaganda is such a thing. I remember how you defended the interests of Israel in polemics in the military with foam at the mouth. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
      6. sagitch
        sagitch 29 November 2019 11: 31
        0
        So the deal, from 2007, with palm oil passed, why not try again ...
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 29 November 2019 12: 30
          +6
          Only part of the transaction will be paid by palm oil, the main part is used aircraft from Malaysia. Those who have already earned a resource, and who are already morally obsolete. More delusional offers simply can not be found. I hope our reason is enough to refuse. Of course, I have both hands for our factories to receive orders, but not in this way.
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 1 December 2019 06: 34
            +2
            Quote: Herman 4223
            I hope our reason is enough to refuse.

            Refuse your own offer? It is Russia that offered Malaysia such an exchange.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 1 December 2019 10: 41
              0
              Where does this information come from? I understand why some people need palm oil, but why does someone else need old fighter jets? Most likely, our aircraft offered for a palm tree (maybe I didn’t hear the truth about it). But the Malaysians also decided to shove stuff up so that they would not be scattered about with their goods.
      7. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 November 2019 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Let them dig in the bins ...

        If only accessories for the PC. I have a hard drive of Malaysian production for eight years in my computer
      8. 4ekist
        4ekist 29 November 2019 12: 33
        +2
        .... If only this oil could be resold without importing into the country ..
      9. Victor Lutvin
        Victor Lutvin 29 November 2019 13: 40
        +1
        It’s better that we planted in the Republic of Belarus, we, too, are only buttercream. Well, and potatoes with onions. :)
  2. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 29 November 2019 09: 36
    +18
    We will eat palm oil.
    Creamy is eaten, and palm can only be eaten.

    And most importantly, we will think that we are eating a dairy product, but in reality it will be palm oil.

    Labor made a man out of a monkey; DAM makes a man out of a man.

    Pad.la they are all there.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 29 November 2019 09: 45
      -14
      Pad.la they are all there.

      bullshit
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 10: 52
        +6
        Quote: Ka-52
        bullshit

        Of course nonsense. And our government is only about the people and cares, despite the cries of all-companions. wassat
        1. opus
          opus 29 November 2019 12: 15
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And our government is only about the people and cares, n

          yeah.
          Five richest families of the Kremlin and the government.

          in t.ch.
          Alexander Tkachev, Minister of Agriculture
          Family income: 586 million rubles
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 12: 27
            +2
            Yes, I know everything Anton, just apart from evil sarcasm I don’t feel like writing anymore. request But it’s a shame for the state.
            1. Inokenty
              Inokenty 29 November 2019 20: 49
              +7
              Ingvar 72 (Igor)! Before you is an illiterate Jew - a propagandist from Israel who has been absent from VO for a year. Previously, I tried to argue on technical issues (radar), but after he was proved to be illiterate, he began to avoid polemics. He thinks that he was forgotten at VO. is he went here to collect more likes and at the same time add a spoonful of tar to the minds of Russians. Therefore, you should not be led to his opuses - he only counts on it and no more!
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2019 10: 53
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Labor made a man out of a monkey,

    3. SSR
      SSR 29 November 2019 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Creamy is eaten, and palm can only be eaten.

      Kamrad, I understand your angry righteousness, but for the sake of justice, read about palm oil, but as with a throw from Latynina, she flashed in and the people picked up the phrase without checking the source of the infusion.
      Unrefined red palm it is expensive and useful, transparent refined is not the same, but hydrogenated oil is a complete muck.
      PS.
      If the exchange for expensive "red" oil is one thing, if for hydrogenated oil, it is another thing, but it is still necessary to discuss it in fact.
      1. 1Alexey
        1Alexey 29 November 2019 11: 30
        +3
        Why do we need this obsolete trash? Or let the new ones buy, or let them stay with this old stuff!
      2. opus
        opus 29 November 2019 11: 41
        +4
        Quote: SSR
        read about palm oil

        WHO report 2018:
        https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/97/2/18-220434/en/
        Is it not Latynina? will arrange?
        In the WHO Bulletin, a report based on 48 scientific studies:
        - a meta-analysis of the work carried out by experts of the organization demonstrated convincing link between increased palm oil intake in 23 countries - and rising there mortality rate from coronary heart disease.
        - WHO physicians have no doubt that palm oil systematically increases the content in the blood of "bad cholesterol" (LDL), which is the cause of atherosclerosis.
        / In the house where I live 3 weeks ago a 41-year-old man died, without bad habits, of normal build-an atherosclerosis blood clot broke off /
        - The authors of the WHO published report acknowledge that sometimes articles appear in scientific journals, proving the harmlessness or even health benefits of palm oil.

        However, during the preparation of the document it turned out that out of nine of these published articles, four were written by employees of the Malaysian Ministry of Agriculture - and more precisely, the department directly responsible for the development of this industry.


        -The report separately states that back in 2003, WHO and the FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations) pointed to the potential health risks of palm oil. However, since then its production and consumption in the world has doubled, and in general from 1995 to 2017 - more than four times.

        Quote: SSR
        Unrefined red palm it is expensive and useful

        Yes, please eat as much as you need. But without me and without my children.
        Have you mutated yet?
        Threat. my grandparents and great B / d and parents, did not know what palm oil, died either at the front, or in old age, or injury. There were no allergies, overweight, heart, etc. ...
        I am now in the clinic for medical examination to go scary crowds. The youngest child (16 years old) in the class has 90% allergics, and 95% with some sores.
        EAT COOLS ON FIRST PALM OIL.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 November 2019 12: 22
          -5
          Quote: opus
          In the house where I live 3 weeks ago, a 41-year-old man died, without bad habits, of normal build-an atherosclerosis blood clot broke

          And if you hit a car, or fell from the roof, is palm oil also to blame? A blood clot can come off at a 20-year-old
          1. opus
            opus 29 November 2019 13: 27
            -3
            Quote: Piramidon
            And if you hit a car, or fell from the roof,

            and I, what was the statistics of deaths from traffic accidents? or is the accident somehow related to the import of palm oil in the Russian Federation?
            Quote: Piramidon
            A blood clot can come off at a 20-year-old

            maybe it happens
            It happens that a girl dies with a girl, but lives with a widow

            I'm not talking about that
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Nothing that the palm does not contain cholesterol from the word "at all"

            and I / who said / wrote that Does PM contain cholesterol? eh?
            Quote: opus
            palm oil systematically increases blood levels "bad cholesterol "(LDL)

            Huh?
            1. Cholesterol comes from the foods we eat, and it is produced by our body from saturated fats
            2. According to nutritionist studies, palmitic acid, this type of fat, is the majority of saturated fats in palm oil. particularly stimulates an increase in blood cholesterol, and that on this indicator palm oil definitely worse than creamy.
            3. One tablespoon of palm oil contains 6.7 grams of saturated fat.
            University of Maryland Medical Center says diets high in saturated fats can lead to high cholesterol and plaque formation in arteries. Over time, this can lead to a heart attack or stroke.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 29 November 2019 19: 13
              -4
              Quote: opus
              and I / WHO said / wrote that PM contains cholesterol? what?

              Not in their own words, but they spoke, collecting negative articles and attaching broken clots to them.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 12: 36
          0
          It's okay that the palm does not contain cholesterol from the word "in general" - it is found only in animal products. And you get atherosclerosis faster from eating pure butter or lard.
          1. opus
            opus 29 November 2019 13: 38
            -5
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            And you will get atherosclerosis faster from eating pure butter or lard.

            1. At the expense of creamy, not true. I AM above wrote. Fat is generally good (according to the latest recommendations of the party and government)
            2. About the dangers of PM. I understand biology / dietetics like this:
            -we never ate it, and lived happily, and we do not look like Malaysians / Indonesians. They are terribly painful.
            - there are no special monkeys: Russian, American, Chinese or African (unless there are specific inUkrainian monkeys, from which exclusively descended inUkrainians) The essence of everything came from the same monkey (except for Ukarintsev, essno).
            Further settled:
            - influence on the genome was provided by:
            -radiation of soil / water
            -chemical composition (mineralization) of water
            Gravity (depends on geographic coordinates)
            -solar radiation
            -and (!) THE BIGGEST INFLUENCE = what our ancestors ate.
            and so it turned out

            There were neither yellow nor black nor narrow-eyed monkeys.
            And our ancestors definitely did not eat palm oil. therefore, they do not look like this:
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 13: 50
              -5
              Oil palm trees were introduced into Malaysia only in the second half of the 19th century, and palm oil (if that could be) could have no effect on their eye shape. Oil palm trees were cultivated with in ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia - that is, in the cradle of human civilization.
              1. opus
                opus 29 November 2019 14: 03
                -4
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Oil palm trees were cultivated with in ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia.

                I know we read Wikipedia too.
                But that is not the point.
                / I do not mind if you want to: eat for your own health and your children yourself, according to your own decision, feed.
                Of course you and your children will not look like Malaysians or Mesopotamians. Right away. Probably
                ================================================== =
                So I don’t need to feed my children to them in any form: milk, cottage cheese, cheese, ice cream, etc.
                I'd rather get butter poisoning that it’s made from cow’s milk ... damn it just now bought in neighboring Finland.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 14: 06
                  -4
                  You think that the hormones and antibiotics that are fed to cows are less harmful than vegetable oils. Yes, there are environmentally friendly products in Europe, but at a completely different price.
                  1. opus
                    opus 29 November 2019 14: 23
                    -4
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    You think that the hormones and antibiotics that are fed to cows are less harmful than vegetable oils

                    1.Not vegetable oils, in general: I have nothing against sunflower, olive, corn
                    2.1.In Russia, growth stimulants and feed additives that stimulate growth are prohibited.

                    in 2014 (I don’t know now), only two American enterprises had the right to supply pork, and none had the right to supply beef, because they use ractopamine, a feed supplement that stimulates the growth of muscle tissue, not fat.
                    Australia has no right to supply us with meat, as growth hormone (trenbolone) has been repeatedly found in their beef

                    We ourselves do not produce hormones, in fact, but it’s expensive to buy for the currency, our live-swallows will strangle themselves.
                    Miratorg "This is our country" (yes, this is definitely THEIR COUNTRY) meat is disgusting, once we tried it we don't take it anymore
                    2.2. According to the Technical Regulation “On Food Safety” and SanPiN 2.3.2.1078-01 “Hygienic Requirements for Food Safety and Nutrition Value” the concentration should not exceed 0,01 mg / kg

                    The average therapeutic concentration of, for example, tetracycline is 10 milligrams per kilogram of weight. Therefore, a 100-gram steak can contain no more than 1 milligram of tetracycline
                    We look SanPiN 2.3.2.1078-01 good and we go crazy
                    > 1 mg / 100 g = 0 mg / kg horror
                    but we get this if: fed a cow or chicken with an antibiotic until the very last minute, and in the process of cooking, tetracycline is at least partially not destroyed and completely absorbed in the intestines.

                    BUT:
                    Cooking meat for 3 hours reduces the antibiotic content by 90%.
                    At the same time, 20% of antibiotics are destroyed, and 70% goes into the broth.
                    For this reason, housewives must remove the foam when cooking meat or even drain the first broth.
                    Washing or freezing meat reduces the content of antibiotics by 20-25%.

                    tetracycline and other antibiotics are in the list of dietary supplements E700 - E799 (just watch what you buy)

                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Yes, there are environmentally friendly products in Europe, but at a completely different price

                    And we have environmentally friendly products. and not so expensive.
                    eat less and the price will be the same. we just eat fantastically a lot and throw it away in the trash under 40% of the purchased.
                    Adjust your life position and will be enough for organic products ..
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 14: 30
                      -6
                      I don’t know how these prohibitions are implemented, but my cousin, a farmer, grows his pigs on growth hormones. Yes, and many dairy farms indulge in hormones that increase lactation. Egg production of chickens is increased by estradiols (sex hormone). There is such a drug - ovocin.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 50
                        +1
                        Pork is now all hormonal, that's right.
                      2. opus
                        opus 29 November 2019 20: 16
                        -7
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Pork is now all hormonal, that's right.

                        1. Pork is not very good meat, I like lamb more. Although fat, I, like inUkranets, can consume, if it is good, of course.

                        2. Muhammad was not in vain forbidden to eat pork, the far-sighted Arab was

                        -after the food reform in Germany, there have been many cases of urticaria in older women, slightly less in children with pork. At the same time, Apis D12, Sulfur D30 improved their condition.
                        causes of cancer growth in 60-70 year old patients during the food reform period in Germany
                        - influenza virus, which, according to the virologist prof. Shore, dwells in pig’s lungs in summer and almost always occurs in sausage
                        - a connection was established between the purchase of Canadian canned pork in November in Germany and the onset of an influenza epidemic or the winter consumption of cooked pork at home in January-February and the onset of an epidemic.


                        there is no flu epidemic in the Muslim world because they don’t use pork for food unless ... if they don’t eat horse meat!
                        and isho:
                        pig is very similar to humans (anatomy, behavior and taste)
                        Criminals organizers of massacres Hamann and Kurten processed human meat was sold for sausages, passing it off as pork, since differences in taste were almost impossible to establish.
                        recourse
        3. SSR
          SSR 29 November 2019 14: 59
          +3
          Quote: opus
          Have you mutated yet?
          Threat. my grandparents and great b / d and parents did not know what palm oil is,

          Well, Kamrad, it’s not worth it in one heap.)))
          Mutate from a natural product? My great-grandfather did not know potatoes and tomatoes. So this is not an indicator. As they say, the benefit or poison depends on the size of the dose and on human greed, little is written about the harmful Margarine.
          I just wanted to note that it is generally harmful to eat semi-finished products and that “butter” is far from taking the lead in harmfulness!
          Personally, I am against any glutamates, "blue" collers that are added to lemonade and indicate what can affect the loss of attention. Regarding the so-called WHO report, if I understand correctly, the report has not yet been published and a "draft" is being discussed.
          1. Personally, I am for reducing the consumption of palm trees, if only because they cut down the jungle under these palm trees.
          2. Remember how "Greenpeace" thundered at one time that he pulled out his tongue, there are no orders to see.
          3. Historical fact.

          Recently, documents have been published proving that sugar industry representatives influenced research results. It turns out that the nutritional recommendations that many of us listen to may not be right.

          As recent documents show Cristin E. Kearns, Laura A. Schmidt, Stanton A. Glantz. Sugar Industry And Coronary Heart Disease Research. A Historical Analysis Of Internal Industry Documents. , in the 60s of the XNUMXth century, representatives of the sugar industry paid scientists to question the harmful effects of sugar on heart function and find a new scapegoat - saturated fats.

          More than 50 years have passed and now sweet sugar is recognized as harmful (but again, yes, it matters in quantity).
          PS.
          I am for constructive criticism))) Sorry, some words the phone itself replaces the infection.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 15: 53
            -3
            And you're wrong about glutamate. Glutamate, of natural origin, is found in meat, moreover, it gives it a "meaty" taste. Artificially, glutamates are obtained from soybeans.
          2. opus
            opus 29 November 2019 18: 18
            -6
            Quote: SSR
            Mutate from a natural product? My great-grandfather did not know potatoes and tomatoes. So this is not an indicator

            1. Natural you buy in Thailand / Indonesia-Malaysia. Red such a bottle
            2. Elaeis guineensis - yes, natural, palm, as you know the grass. but you do not eat a palm tree?
            3. Do you know how many pickled potatoes and tomatoes were when they were introduced? ate from the wrong side.
            and yet potatoes and tomatoes, in chemical composition, in fiber, are no different from cabbage / radish / beet. This is what our people have always eaten. and palm oil?
            4. Something your great-grandfather is painfully long-lived, since I found Peter 1!
            5. You can also mutate with tobacco- IT'S ALSO A NATURAL PRODUCT
            People who smoke 20 cigarettes a day "acquire" about 150 mutations in lung cells per year, 97 in laryngeal cells, 39 in pharyngeal cells, 18 in bladder cells, and six mutations are formed in liver cells

            Quote: SSR
            Personally, I am against any glutamates, "blue" collers that are added to lemonade and

            I AM AGAINST PALM OIL STILL
            Quote: SSR
            More than 50 years have passed and now sweet sugar is recognized as harmful

            And I always found him harmful. If you don’t go hiking in the mountains, for your two and have limited luggage ... you don’t need a sugar-containing product
            Quote: SSR
            I am for constructive criticism))) Sorry, some words the phone itself replaces the infection.

            and I
            at the same hand hooks
            1. SSR
              SSR 30 November 2019 01: 34
              +2
              Quote: opus
              4. Something your great-grandfather is painfully long-lived, since I found Peter 1!

              Kamrad))) and Peter first introduced the product all over the continent ?! lol
              Quote: opus
              and yet potatoes and tomatoes, in chemical composition, in fiber, are no different from cabbage / radish / beet. This is what our people have always eaten. and palm oil?

              I begin to suspect that this is an oil with the scorpion genome))
              PS.
              Robots, in the kernel of apricot and almond, there is hydrocyanic acid.
              I’m waiting for a ban from WHO, I’m afraid I won’t wait for thousands of hectares of forest to be cut under apricots and almonds.
              1. opus
                opus 30 November 2019 13: 17
                0
                Quote: SSR
                and Peter first introduced the product all over the continent ?!

                for the sake of interest (not self-interest) for the sake of: what is your region, what potatoes and tomatoes got there in ???? year? (probably around 1908-1914 / judging by my great-grandfathers)
                Quote: SSR
                Waiting for a ban from WHO,

                - and they (bones) are eaten, replaced by them "natural product"?
                -in Uzbekistan traditionally eat these bones. Just like in many other countries where apricots grow.
                -amigdalin is in buckwheat, millet, beans and flax.
                In general, winemaking from the grape varieties Isabella, Lydia and peers was banned in the United States and EU countries due to the high methanol content.
                We are not here and this is a favorite grape variety in the south of Russia, Moldova and Ukraine.
                ---- This has no relation to palm oil. I repeat: eat.
                I do not want
                1. SSR
                  SSR 30 November 2019 13: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: opus
                  what is your region that potatoes and tomatoes got there in ???? year? (

                  Central Asia, it was about 1918-1924, it was))) tomatoes were sort of called shaitan-tash. laughing
                  Quote: opus
                  Uzbekistan traditionally eat these bones.

                  Yes I know.)))
                  It's just in the context of the fact that I do not trust everyone with WHO, IOC, etc. It is enough to recall how one trickster spoke something and ours were expelled under the root. Our trial in Lausanne passed and the IOC, under pressure, still did not let them go.
                  It’s just that if they want something not to grow cotton in Uzbekistan, engaged structures will find something to dig into.
                  1. opus
                    opus 30 November 2019 13: 34
                    -2
                    Quote: SSR
                    It's just in the context of the fact that I do not trust everyone with WHO, IOC, etc.

                    and I do not trust "our" government, from the word at all.
                    and I don’t trust my city:

                    because j [etkb completely

                    and he (the uglepok) did not just "utter" it, Sour and Nightingale gave us this "simplistic". But everything is more complicated. the same as with the ships Naftogaz vs "national treasure" (someone's)
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  3. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 29 November 2019 09: 37
    +16
    And when will we get away from exchanging precious metals for cheap glass?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2019 10: 54
      +5
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      And when will we get away from exchanging precious metals for cheap glass?

      "minibuses" are more important to someone.
  4. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 29 November 2019 09: 38
    +9
    It is surprising that an Asian tiger country cannot offer more interesting barter than palm oil. Perhaps cheap Malaysian electronics would be more appropriate.
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 29 November 2019 10: 20
      +1
      We are given conditions. We set our own conditions. Each comes from its own benefit. "Russia will sell the fourth generation Su-35 fighter to Turkey, provided that the country buys the fifth generation Su-57 fighter" - Viktor Kladov, Director for International Cooperation of Rostec. Effective managers have it all.
      1. knn54
        knn54 29 November 2019 10: 57
        +10
        It’s good that there is no palm oil in Turkey ...
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 29 November 2019 10: 59
        +4
        Quote: WIKI
        "Russia will sell to Turkey a fourth-generation Su-35 fighter, provided the country buys a fifth-generation Su-57 fighter."

        one, or the whole batch? all 15 promised by the end of the year?
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  6. nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 29 November 2019 09: 39
    +11
    About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported

    If you ask the inhabitants of Russia, they are not ready to eat palm oil
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 29 November 2019 09: 43
      +7
      And you have to. And the salary will also be given in oil
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 November 2019 10: 01
        +2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And you have to. And the salary will also be given in oil

        Not creamy, but palm. And how beautiful it sounds, paalmovoe.
    2. yang174
      yang174 29 November 2019 09: 44
      +3
      not ready, but what for it is not needed in principle in the products
    3. comradChe
      comradChe 29 November 2019 09: 48
      +10
      And this same one, like him, yes, yes, the people, anyone ever heard ??? I remember once asked, but they took an opinion ... I don’t care. And the people didn’t asked. And shit ... m oh how I liked it, just horror !!! So, what a boom to eat, boom, boom !!!
  7. G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 29 November 2019 09: 45
    0
    Never take palm oil. This is poison for the body and blood ... this is the most stupid thing. You must write to the Ministry of Defense so as not to import palm oil !!!
    1. Constructor68
      Constructor68 29 November 2019 09: 56
      +2
      Never take palm oil. This is poison for the body and blood ... this is the most stupid thing

      The stupid thing is what you write. Firstly, Moscow Region does not buy or export oil. And secondly, do not want to consume palm oil - do not buy spreads and other products with this substitute.
      1. Inokenty
        Inokenty 29 November 2019 10: 04
        +14
        The stupid thing is what you write. Firstly, Moscow Region does not buy or export oil. And secondly, Do not want to consume palm oil - do not buy spreads and other products with this substitute.

        Go to any store in Russia - 95% baking on palm oil, which is unhealthy! Where vegetable oils are written and which are not indicated, this is palm oil. And where to go - the stove itself? Vladimir15 is right in this case! And they hid all their languages ​​- Onishchenko and other hangers-on. Shame on Russia - poisoning your citizens! Here I go and choose pastries in stores. It is good that they (the manufacturers) were forced to write the content of the products, otherwise they did not do this before ...
        1. Constructor68
          Constructor68 29 November 2019 10: 09
          +1
          Well, do not buy pastries in the store! Fools are always struck who, like those hedgehogs, pricked, cried, but continued to eat the cactus. In addition, in baking shops, it’s more frightening not palm oil, but margarine, in which internal cow fat is added instead of animal oil! That's what is really DANGEROUS. But not one of you crows that you need to withdraw the margarine from the sale and destroy the cows!
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 29 November 2019 11: 02
            +3
            Quote: Designer 68
            and destroy the cows!

            so there are several times less of them than "dairy" products. where is so much milk from? tongue
          2. Elturisto
            Elturisto 29 November 2019 11: 24
            +2
            And what is the problem with cow fat, enlighten?
        2. We_smart
          We_smart 29 November 2019 11: 12
          +4
          Apparently Constructor69 believes the labels appearing in chain stores on the price tags that the product is BZMZh's Dairy-Free Fat Substitute, or in other versions, and is deeply convinced that buying such milk he eats just milk.
          1. Constructor68
            Constructor68 29 November 2019 14: 18
            +3
            that the product is BZMZH's Dairy-Free Fat Substitute, or in other variants, and I am deeply convinced that having bought such milk he eats just milk.

            And why is this statement born evident by serious attempts at mental activity? what
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 14: 08
          -2
          At all times, at present, at least in the Soviet Union, margarine was used for baking. No matter what kind of oil margarine is made of - even olive oil - it’s poison.
      2. Potato
        Potato 29 November 2019 10: 06
        +4
        do not buy spreads and other products with this substitute
        Bakery products are almost all palm kernel. A lot of dairy too. And a pastry shop. You yourself know that it is very cheap and the temptation to replace it with other fats in the food industry is extremely great to reduce costs. I just want to eat like that, there’s always no time, and in the store it’s hard not to find products without a palm tree ...
        1. Constructor68
          Constructor68 29 November 2019 10: 14
          +1
          You yourself know that it is very cheap and the temptation to replace it with other fats in the food industry is extremely great to reduce costs.

          What is going on in your head ??? That is, the product is to blame for you, and not the company, that violates either GOST (TU) or the law when it does not indicate the PM in the product? And then let's destroy the knives, because it’s not the killers who blame them, but the knives.
          1. Constructor68
            Constructor68 29 November 2019 10: 24
            +4
            And you can also ban rapeseed as a culture! After all, rapeseed oil is no less often used as a substitute for both animal fats and high-quality vegetable fats. And rapeseed oil has exactly the same "usefulness" as palm oil. Let's scribble petitions, they say, pour defoliants on all rapeseed crops, burn them with napalm, and put farmers under an article for sabotage
            1. Potato
              Potato 29 November 2019 10: 34
              +6
              About margarine and rapeseed - almost all the fats used in the food industry are harmful, since they are carcinogenic. Food from the store is a priori cheap and unhealthy food ... It’s better to cook it yourself, of course.

              But there are people who are unable to cook for themselves. And they should have a choice and the ability to quickly have a meal without cooking for themselves, while not suffering much in finances and without risking their health. I think that this should be an integral part of the rights of citizens of our country - it is neither expensive nor harmful to eat.

              Namely, I do not want to compare palm kernel oil with either margarine, rapeseed oil, and so on. Which of them is more harmful, I do not know. But I know that cold pressed vegetable oils and ordinary butter are not only not harmful, but even useful. But very expensive ...
              1. polar fox
                polar fox 29 November 2019 11: 57
                +2
                Quote: Potato
                But I know that cold pressed vegetable oils and ordinary butter are not only not harmful, but even useful. But very expensive ...

                og ... so every year we don’t know where to put it ... reluctantly take it. liter from 80r (from greed sold-outbid) ... creamy from the farm, from 360 per kg ... but rape-sunflower-on cheers diverge! for the same money. market, however.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 14: 13
                -1
                Unfortunately, cold pressing is rarely used in oil production. And refined oils are about the same in their chemical composition. Butter and other animal fats are good for you, but in small amounts, they are a source of "bad" cholesterol.
                1. polar fox
                  polar fox 29 November 2019 15: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Unfortunately, cold pressing is not used in the manufacture of oil.

                  Yes, a lot of it is used ... only Muscovabad hands pull their grabbers everywhere and try to squeeze out everything that is possible. They squeezed it out. They are tired of beating our butter churn.
          2. Potato
            Potato 29 November 2019 10: 25
            +5
            Is that something in your head? Where did I write that the oil is to blame, that it is cheap? Only a schizophrenic can make such a conclusion from the text I wrote. wassat

            Guilty are those who succumb to the temptation to gradually replace all the fats in the food industry with a cheap palm kernel in order to increase their profits. That's all.

            In general, the state is the main regulator of many processes in the country. But the state is gradually moving away from regulation and control in the food industry. Just recently, it decided to abolish several thousand standards for production in the food industry, supposedly to facilitate the development of the food industry and business. So business has become easier, here I agree. But it should be noted that without standards for food production, business would be generally good. But it would be generally bad for the consumer ...

            We need to seek balance everywhere, and not lobby for business interests.
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 29 November 2019 10: 30
              +3
              In general, the state is the main regulator of many processes in the country. But the state is gradually moving away from regulation and control in the food industry.

              In general, the problem of VO is that there are a lot of commentators who don’t know anything, but love to make such statements. Read the MPT Resolution # 50 of 28.01.19/XNUMX/XNUMX and do not write nonsense anymore. All the best on the soil of palm senility hi
              1. Potato
                Potato 29 November 2019 10: 43
                +5
                I will definitely get acquainted. Thank. But it can be big and long.

                Why should a consumer study government documents and regulations before going to the store? Why don't people explain in simple words what this resolution is and why it is needed? Our government is not used to reporting to citizens for their work in a simple and intelligible language. This is definitely bad.

                At the consumer, in the store who takes a packet of cookies or a box of chocolates from the shelf, and reads the composition, where palm oil is most often indicated, there is simply a mistrust in the work of the government and in government decrees and decrees.

                It is necessary to use the power of the media not for stupid talk shows and immorality, but for lighting and detailing the work of the government and the authorities. That's what would help, I think. The government must report to the people!
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 29 November 2019 11: 14
                  0
                  Why should a consumer study government documents and regulations before going to the store? Why don't people explain in simple words what this resolution is and why it is needed? Our government is not used to reporting to citizens for their work in a simple and intelligible language. This is definitely bad.

                  baby talk. What does the government have to do with it and why does the consumer get acquainted with the decree? This should be known and carried out by a) the manufacturer, b) the seller. And Rospotrebnadzor should follow. Do not grind nonsense
                  1. Potato
                    Potato 29 November 2019 13: 15
                    +3
                    That you do not grind nonsense. By your strange logic, everything is fine, and the government can accept and do anything. A respected Designer sent me to get acquainted with the order and the government. In the government of lobbyists, the interests of producers and sellers are full. They will think up and accept anything in a narrow circle, and it doesn’t concern us? Oh well. Only here on the shelves are goods without palm kernel oil - go find!
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 13: 26
                  -2
                  Quote: Potato
                  I will definitely get acquainted. Thank. But it can be big and long

                  It is much shorter than the sheet you rolled there. Here, study:

                  The Government of the Russian Federation decides:
                  1. To supplement the Rules for the sale of certain types of goods approved by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of January 19, 1998 N 55 ..., clause 33 (1) of the following content:

                  "33 (1). In the trading floor or other point of sale, the placement (display) of dairy, dairy compound and milk-containing products should be carried out in a way that visually separates these products from other food products, and be accompanied by an information inscription"Products without milk fat substitute"."
                  2. This resolution shall enter into force on July 1, 2019.


                  Oh, that's not lucky again "Antoshka" request
                  1. Potato
                    Potato 29 November 2019 13: 46
                    -1
                    So I did not write to him about this. And about it: Medvedev canceled 20000 standards of the USSR:
                    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2734307.html

                    And he told me that dairy products should be labeled in the store as with non-palm kernel oil. He threw it away about the shops and ran away ...

                    By the way, we do not do this in a small shop.
          3. Inokenty
            Inokenty 29 November 2019 10: 29
            +9
            Quote: Designer 68
            What is going on in your head ??? That is, the product is to blame for you, and not the company, that violates either GOST (TU) or the law when it does not indicate the PM in the product? And then let's destroy the knives, because it’s not the killers who blame them, but the knives.

            Constructor 68 (Aviator), not the product and the enterprise and the government of RussiaWhich has not banned the use of palm oil and allows businesses to profit to the health of Russian citizens ... In general, where are public organizations, where is the chief sanitary doctor of Russia and others? Sneakers and those in palm oil and not only them!
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 29 November 2019 10: 33
              +4
              For those who do not like to read, but like to chat, the same reference to Decree # 50. Read before poking the keyboard. By the way, have you already written a petition to ban rape landings? Or ban margarine?
            2. Ka-52
              Ka-52 29 November 2019 10: 48
              -2
              Constructor 68 (Aviator), it was not the product and the enterprise that was to blame, but the Russian government, which did not prohibit the use of palm oil and allows enterprises to cash in on the health of Russian citizens ... In general, where are the public organizations, where is the chief sanitary doctor of Russia and others? Sneakers and those in palm oil and not only them!

              you write frank stupidity. Palm oil is not poison and is a common food product. The main problem with palm oil is that unscrupulous manufacturers use it as substitutes for natural milk fats and quality vegetable oilswithout indicating the composition of the product on the label. The state has approved standards for designing the composition of the product, this is determined by law. And GOST even has a clear description of HOW, WHERE and WHAT is indicated. There is a decree of the Ministry of Industry and Trade on how products with substitutes for animal fats should be sold. The fact that you don't know about it is your personal problem. It turns out that the main problem lies not in the oil itself, but in the falsifications. Those who essentially fake products are breaking the law! And you, as always, write nonsense just to arrange a rally. All of you are to blame, except for those who are really guilty.
              1. Inokenty
                Inokenty 29 November 2019 11: 07
                +5

                But it all began with such a "trifle" - increased use of palm oil. Even the defenders of this product alien to us cannot dispute these facts - after all, the ability of palmitic acid to enhance cholesterol generation has been recognized by the scientific community! So they have to embarrassedly argue that "other oils are also worse." Like, the use of other vegetable fats also helps to increase cholesterol - and this is not true.

                It is the use of palm oil (especially hydrogenated oil, which is found in most products) that leads to clogging of blood vessels, the appearance of plaques, and blockage of veins and arteries. The result is atherosclerosis, blood clots, an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks.

                So if you want to live to old age, think about reducing the use of palm oil. Because heart disease can cause an irreversible blow to health at a very flourishing age. A person may not even suspect that he has problems until a blood clot a little larger than a grain of sand comes off and rushes towards the heart valve. Take care of yourself!

                Unfortunately, the health effects of palm oil are not limited to cardiovascular problems. It is not well digested by the digestive system and is absorbed by our body. As a result, slags accumulate; toxins appear during decomposition of incompletely split product components. The presence of a large proportion of "bad" saturated fats in the product increases the likelihood of cancer - this is the second scourge of our society after heart disease.

                It is important to note that the use of palm oil at first almost does not affect the well-being of a person. He simply does not notice that his pressure is gradually increasing, his appetite is deteriorating, his working capacity is declining, and various problems are accumulating. And if he notices, he writes off everything to stress and workload at work. And then it may be too late. They don’t joke with heart diseases, as well as with oncology!

                But the dangers due to palm oil lie in wait not only for people of age, but also for the smallest of us.

                https://www.oum.ru/literature/zdorovje/vred-palmovogo-masla-dlya-zdorovya-cheloveka/
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 29 November 2019 11: 21
                  -5
                  But the dangers due to palm oil lie in wait not only for people of age, but also for the smallest of us.

                  such "expert" statements are written by the tons every year. Moreover, what is served as a panacea today is declared a deadly poison tomorrow. It was written above to you in human language - margarine is at times more harmful than palm oil. But no one shouts about it at every step.
                  I saw similar delusional writings when there was a discussion of GMO products. Everyone yells that they are harmful, but no one has yet scientifically proven that GMO foods are harmful. There is no long-term research program, no credible tests from specialized laboratories. There is nothing. But there are statements from a bunch of "experts" cited by all sorts of distributors, like you.
                  It is the use of palm oil (especially hydrogenated oil, which is found in most products) that leads to clogging of blood vessels, the appearance of plaques, and blockage of veins and arteries. The result is atherosclerosis, blood clots, an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks.

                  you quote nonsense. Since cholesterol, deposited on the walls of blood vessels in the form of cholesterol plaques, is completely absent in ANY VEGETABLE OILS
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            3. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 13: 44
              -1
              Palm oil in its pure form is no worse than sunflower. Trans fats are harmful to humans (these include margarine, which we have been stuffed with since the middle of the 20th century). Moreover, these trans fats are harmful regardless of the source of raw materials: even palm or olive.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 29 November 2019 14: 48
                0
                In St. Petersburg, for example, margarine was produced and sold in the last quarter of the 19th century, judging by the materials of Russian pre-revolutionary newspapers and magazines.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 15: 27
                  -3
                  Thank you, I didn’t. I thought that the surrogation of food came from the USSR.
              2. Tony
                Tony 29 November 2019 21: 27
                +4
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Palm oil in its pure form is no worse than sunflower.

                AS Ivanov. (Andrey), don’t write a lie, but watch Arkady Mamontov’s films about the harm of palm oil that they feed us. In Europe (Germany), Russian oil is not even taken for processing ... https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = KqDy4Ia1Ryc
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 21: 33
                  -3
                  I do not watch DT, especially the films of engaged journalists. I operate with completely confirmed scientific facts. And the spouse of KMN, the endocrinologist, will not let me lie.
          4. Grandfather
            Grandfather 29 November 2019 11: 04
            +2
            Quote: Designer 68
            violating either GOST (

            what? what GOST ... wassat
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 29 November 2019 12: 19
              +4
              There is such a thing as GOST R. Chavokate further
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 09: 59
      -1
      Quote: G. Georgiev
      You must write to the Ministry of Defense so as not to import palm oil !!!

      And whoever will listen to us.
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  9. signifera
    signifera 29 November 2019 09: 47
    +13
    And give this oil a salary to the figures who will conduct such a deal.
  10. Potato
    Potato 29 November 2019 09: 53
    +4
    We give them weapons, and they give us palm-nuclear chemical weapons. Normal such interchange)))
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 November 2019 09: 58
      +5
      Aha, to weapons of mass destruction! laughing
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 November 2019 09: 58
    -2
    About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported.
    How much of this palm oil will be delivered! Only in a terrible thing can this be dreamed of.
    1. Constructor68
      Constructor68 29 November 2019 10: 04
      0
      How much of this palm oil will be delivered! Only in a terrible thing can this be dreamed of.

      For those who rarely use brains, of course it's scary))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 November 2019 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: Designer 68
        For those who rarely use brains, of course it's scary

        Please eat for health, I give my portion to you. Maybe others will share?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 11: 40
        -1
        Quote: Designer 68
        For those who rarely use brains, of course it's scary))

        Here I am looking at you, and I want to ask - what do you want to say with your helluva lot of "smart" comments? That palm oil is not so harmful, or that the producers are guilty (because they do not write the presence of it on the label), or the end consumers who are lazy to read this label?
        Then, following your train of thought, it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.
        1. Constructor68
          Constructor68 29 November 2019 12: 16
          +2
          Then, following your train of thought, it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

          This "logical" reasoning indicates a clear problem with your thinking. And most likely palm oil is not to blame. And something more vigorous, such as spice. In general, any manufacturer of PP, before releasing a product for sale, must provide a whole package of documents. The main ones are the sanitary and epidemiological conclusion of Rospotrebnadzor, a quality certificate for products, a certificate of conformity for components. If the products are not manufactured according to GOST, then TU is written, which again describes the entire technological chain. And no certification body will issue a GOST R certificate if at least one requirement is violated. And you babble about some kind of ban. Go to school already, don't skip your lessons
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 12: 24
            +1
            Quote: Designer 68
            And something more vigorous, such as spice.

            As usual - if the "processor" itself is weak, you need to blame the other. wassat Without transitions to the person in any way? wink
            Quote: Designer 68
            then spelled TU

            And under this TU everything is put into the product in a row.
            In essence, my question about palm oil answer? wink
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 29 November 2019 12: 29
              +4
              And under this TU everything is put in a product in a row

              it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

              Yes, specify dioxin as a dietary supplement in your baking and go on to certify it. It’s not only the spice that shows you ideas. laughing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 12: 31
                0
                Essentially weak again?
                1. Constructor68
                  Constructor68 29 November 2019 12: 40
                  +5
                  Essentially weak again?

                  Essentially what? Is palm oil harmful? Many products are beneficial or harmful depending on the amount of consumption. The same sugar or salt. Where are the cries of the fighters about the fight against sugar beets? laughing or the egg is a champion in cholesterol - down with chicken and mayonnaise combined! Margarine - the champion in the maintenance of trans fats - not too much your crowing about banning margarine. There are tons of evidence of harm above the above products, sad statistics on mortality, but this is all for you for nothing. All the scribbles in this pablos simply saw the podium for the next stupid statements about anything. Moreover, the funny thing is that even there is no deal itself, there is only a proposal. But this talker doesn’t stop crowing as if this palm oil is already on your tables
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 12: 51
                    -1
                    Quote: Designer 68
                    The same sugar or salt.

                    Salt and sugar are not prohibited in Europe, right? wink
                    1. Constructor68
                      Constructor68 29 November 2019 12: 55
                      +5
                      I would be grateful if you provide a link to the legislative act banning the sale of salt and sugar, as well as products with their use, in any European country. I hope you do not merge into silence now lol
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 13: 06
                        +3
                        You are familiar with the concept logic? From the essence of your top comment, we can conclude that it is not the palm oil itself, but the dose of its consumption. Then you drew a parallel with salt and sugar. In Europe, salt and sugar are not prohibited (any fool knows wink ), but palm oil was banned there.
                        So I want to ask you - do you consider yourself smarter than scientists, on the basis of which palm oil was banned in Europe? belay
                      2. Constructor68
                        Constructor68 29 November 2019 13: 22
                        +3
                        Are you familiar with the concept of logic? From the essence of your top comment, we can conclude that it is not the palm oil itself, but the dose of its consumption. Then you drew a parallel with salt and sugar. In Europe, salt and sugar are not prohibited (any fool knows wink), but palm oil was banned there.
                        So I want to ask you - do you consider yourself smarter than scientists, on the basis of which palm oil was banned in Europe? belay

                        You are not only not familiar with the concept of "logic", but you are also doing some silly profonation. USA is the largest consumer of palm oil. So I want to ask you - do you consider yourself smarter than the scientists of the country with the most advanced scientific research base in the world? And who have NOT banned the consumption of palm oil laughing
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 13: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Designer 68
                        And which did NOT ban palm oil consumption
                        Those. in Germany, France, Italy fools?
                      4. Constructor68
                        Constructor68 29 November 2019 14: 09
                        +4
                        Those. in Germany, France, Italy fools?

                        That is, fools in the USA? Finish verbiage to do. Here and so heaped up balabolov of any nonsense. To the delight of the admins who posted this stupid and stupid post.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 40
                        0
                        You are engaged in verbiage, but I rely on facts. And they are that the EU has banned the use of PM in the food industry. And it was forbidden not just like that, but on the basis of scientific research.
                        Regarding why PM is not prohibited in the USA, I have no answers, only speculations. Like you, however.
                      6. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 13: 39
                        0
                        In Europe, no one has banned palm oil; the ban applies only to the production of trans fats. And from any kind of oil and from sunflower oil including - they are really harmful, regardless of the raw materials from which they are obtained.
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 23
                        0
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.

                        Nobody forbade palm oil in Europe,
                        Come on? belay
                        Indonesian President Joko Widodo said he was not worried about the ban on the Indonesian palm oil from the European Union (EU).
                        Indonesian president doesn’t know something?
                        Andrei, let's be objective - oil is not prohibited in the EU, it can be used as fuel, but it was banned to use in the food industry. Because when heated, trans fats are formed in it tens of times than in the same sunflower. hi
                      8. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 17: 52
                        -3
                        The amount of trans fats does not depend on the type of raw material, but on the technology for its production. The properties of trans fats are exactly the same, they are obtained from palm, sunflower or corn - it does not matter. It does not matter what gasoline is made of from oil or from gas condensate.
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 18: 04
                        +2
                        Alcohol can be made from grain, or it can be made from wood and oil. Which do you prefer? wink
                      10. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 18: 07
                        -3
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Which do you prefer?

                        Man, the quality of alcohol depends only on the degree of purification. All the rest - baloney request

                        C2H5OH - he is in Africa "OH" yes
                      11. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 18: 13
                        -1
                        If the alcohol is properly cleaned, then it makes no difference. C2H5OH from which do not get - it's alcohol. And so - from ethylene gas, there are no fusel oils or methanol in it.
                      12. We_smart
                        We_smart 4 December 2019 07: 39
                        +1
                        Where is his logic from? He has only mental attempts. He is about the Form, and he is about Yerema.
                  2. ul_vitalii
                    ul_vitalii 29 November 2019 14: 33
                    +6
                    Quote: Designer 68
                    Essentially weak again?

                    Essentially what? Is palm oil harmful? Many products are beneficial or harmful depending on the amount of consumption. The same sugar or salt. Where are the cries of the fighters about the fight against sugar beets? laughing or the egg is a champion in cholesterol - down with chicken and mayonnaise combined! Margarine - the champion in the maintenance of trans fats - not too much your crowing about banning margarine. There are tons of evidence of harm above the above products, sad statistics on mortality, but this is all for you for nothing. All the scribbles in this pablos simply saw the podium for the next stupid statements about anything. Moreover, the funny thing is that even there is no deal itself, there is only a proposal. But this talker doesn’t stop crowing as if this palm oil is already on your tables

                    Constructor, one hundred drinks to you, my friend, as well as a thousand goodthat I decided to calm down this troll. yes
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 29 November 2019 12: 50
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And under this TU everything is put into the product in a row.
              In essence, my question about palm oil answer?

              Where TU, sculpt everything, cottage cheese and cheese without milk, etc. And the people also protect the "palmachi". What happened to the people.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 13: 54
                -2
                There will be no palm oil - they will add rapeseed or sunflower to the foodstuff instead. The effect will be the same. Trans fat is trans fat.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 24
                  0
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  The effect will be the same. Trans fat is trans fat.

                  The effect is different.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 19: 15
                    -4
                    The effect will be different. Products will become more expensive, with the same degree of impact on the body.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 November 2019 12: 45
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Then, following your train of thought, it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

          By cons exposed to you, I realized people want palm oil. (put +)
          1. Constructor68
            Constructor68 29 November 2019 12: 50
            +3
            By cons exposed to you, I realized people want palm oil. (put +)

            On the downside, it is clear that there are those who reasonably and objectively look at the situation. And does not write nonsense like you. You have picked this "problem" out of your nose and now contemplate with a thoughtful air, making lofty statements
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 29 November 2019 14: 04
              +1
              Quote: Designer 68
              By cons, it’s clear that there are those who reasonably and objectively look at the situation.

              Well, clearly, you mean a small "candle factory" producing cottage cheese and cheese from palm oil. And you look at the use of this oil in Russia "realistically" as a respectable private businessman who wants the "fat cats" to have more money, but the common people and their health do not interest you. I do not understand your position, a person with foam at the mouth, proving the "benefits" of palm oil. RUSSIA can do without palm oil.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 14: 10
                -3
                Quote: tihonmarine
                I do not understand your position, a person with foam at the mouth, proving the "benefits" of palm oil

                Someone clearly bit you. Point out where the comrade is. Constructor68 "proves the benefits of palm oil."

                Quote: tihonmarine
                RUSSIA can do without palm oil

                Even during the USSR, this oil went into the confectionery (and not only). They ate and did not buzz. And on margarine, potatoes and other things were fried, and also they were not buzzing.

                Somehow request
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 29 November 2019 16: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Even during the USSR, this oil went into the confectionery (and not only). They ate and did not buzz. And on margarine fried potatoes and stuff, and also - did not buzz

                  Under the USSR in 1964, there were 300 grams per capita, and in 2018 it was 7,2 kilograms. It's not about quantity and import. Correctly they say they will import, capitalism has no place to go. It is clearly seen here, you do not need to be some kind of economist, to be an expert, that some part of the money for the planes is paid by the "palm tree". The money does not go towards the creation of the same NK-93 aircraft engines, the acquisition of the necessary, but not produced in Russia, machine tools, but goes towards the purchase of a "palm tree" (or rather, "a palm tree" is paid.) I think that it came to you - they pay "a palm tree" ". "Palma" goes already to businessmen (not to everyone, but to the elite) and those at their private enterprises produce chocolates, cheeses, baby food and at the expense of the state (at your expense) get themselves a good profit. "Fat cats" get fat, and many even on our site protect them. Enjoy your meal.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 16: 32
                    -8
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Under the USSR, in 1964, there were 300 grams per capita, and in 2018, 7,2 kilograms

                    1. It is proposed to take a word?
                    2. Information "about nothing" without clear detail - what exactly was imported ("oil", as you probably already understood - it can be different), and where exactly it all went.

                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    It’s not a matter of quantity and import

                    Oh how! That is, you wrote about the amount in vain?

                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    some part of the money for the planes is paid by the "palm tree"

                    Let's say so. Palm is traded on the stock exchange and costs money. How do you know that it is generally imported, and not sold somewhere "there," without ever getting to the Russian Federation? That's right ... you have nowhere to know. And everything else is just what you read on the Internet. In "patriotic" blazers.

                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    "palm trees" (or rather "palm trees" are paid.) I think that it came to you - they pay "palm trees". "Palm"

                    The fact that you repeat "palm tree" a hundred times does not become more convincing. Questions above, you can - answer.

                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    "Fat cats" get fat, and many even on our site protect

                    I have not seen a single "defending" yet. But I clearly see problems with the logic of loudly yelling "guards". Here's how you, for example. Again:

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    I do not understand your position, a person with foam at the mouth, proving the "benefits" of palm oil

                    Show with your finger where Comrade Constructor68 "proves the benefits of palm oil"

                    Forward to the mines yes
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 16: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      It is proposed to take a word?

                      Naturally, you can't take anyone's word for it. Read "Foreign trade of the USSR in 1964." Statistical overview. Publishing house VTI 1964
                      I have not seen a single "defending" yet. But I clearly see problems with the logic of loudly yelling "guards". Here's how you, for example.
                      I have nothing to shout a guard, "I do not live in Russia. I write what I have. You like the" palm "eat.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 16: 47
                        -7
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Read "Foreign trade of the USSR in 1964."

                        Are there numbers for 2018? My doubts.

                        Once again, it suddenly comes:

                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Information "about nothing" without clear detail - what exactly was imported ("oil", as you probably already understood - it can be different), and where exactly it all went

                        Anderstend?

                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        I don’t live in Russia

                        So it’s interesting to me - but what is it that a resident of sunny Spratia was so concerned about my healthy diet? Strange, weird ...

                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        I write what is

                        Nah ... at best - you write what you it seems right. In the absence of even the rudiments of logic, you write vulgar nonsense.

                        Somehow yes
    2. sagitch
      sagitch 29 November 2019 11: 29
      +7
      And how much they have already delivered, in payment for those delivered Sushki ... Where did it come from in Russia, a deal of the century, we are the fighters of the last generation, they don’t need palm oil to anyone. Here the country still laughs over Russia ...
  12. Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 29 November 2019 10: 01
    0
    Well, why, all right! Only natural exchange, since money is easier to steal, but try to steal a few tons of palm oil and bury it in the garden of your palace or in a foreign villa. And then Vietnam for rice, India for tea, African countries, well, just for the thanks!
  13. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 29 November 2019 10: 03
    +8
    They would have offered coconuts! Malaysia is the third economy of the countries of Southeast Asia, they must have the means, in the end we do not live in the Stone Age!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2019 11: 06
      +9
      Quote: Ru_Na
      They would have offered coconuts! Malaysia is the third economy of the countries of Southeast Asia, they must have the means, in the end we do not live in the Stone Age!

      we are apparently not people at all for them.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 12: 55
      +2
      Quote: Ru_Na
      Malaysia is the third economy of the countries of Southeast Asia, they must have funds

      There is money, but the "illiquid assets" need to be injected. Uncle Sam's nephews don't eat palm oil, and Europe doesn't really like him.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 13: 35
        +1
        Uncle Sam's nephews are eating a poorer product - peanut butter, and they won’t even turn off his palm nose. And Europe is not far behind them.
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  15. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 November 2019 10: 21
    -3
    Over the past few weeks, the price of palm oil in Malaysia has grown in the world market by 27%.
    In principle, food prices will only rise.
    As an illustration, China and India are almost three billion mouths.
    As for the usefulness of the harmfulness of palm oil, the question is which palm oil will be supplied.
    And the goods are quite liquid.
    The question of bargaining, how many and what quality to demand in exchange for our products.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2019 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: Livonetc
      In principle, food prices will only rise.
      As an illustration - China with India is almost three billion mouths

      Do you know how many people are on the planet? here is such a stain, but they are rubbing us about hunger. someone just needs it.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 29 November 2019 14: 52
        -1
        This fake picture has long been discussed. Rummage on the Internet.
    2. Inokenty
      Inokenty 29 November 2019 11: 29
      +6
      Quote: Livonetc
      As for the usefulness of the harmfulness of palm oil, the question is which palm oil will be supplied.

      Livonetc (Gennady), is supplied only refined - harmful to health, unrefined is very expensive and not supplied. Moreover, technical refined palm oil is often supplied - also harmful to health!
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 12: 57
      +2
      Quote: Livonetc
      The question of bargaining, how many and what quality to demand in exchange for our products.

      It is necessary to breed cows, and to make butter. Cheese and cottage cheese also do not grow on a palm tree.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 13: 01
        -7
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Livonetc
        The question of bargaining, how many and what quality to demand in exchange for our products.

        It is necessary to breed cows, and to make butter. Cheese and cottage cheese also do not grow on a palm tree.

        Let me remind you - a conversation (and an article) about the delivery of aircraft to Malaysia and the possible (!!) payment of part of the transaction amount, ahem, so beloved by many palm oil.

        Be kind, explain - what do you think the relationship of the cow and other animals to the topic of the article.

        Thank you yes
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 November 2019 14: 12
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Be kind, explain - what do you think the relationship of the cow and other animals to the topic of the article.

          It has no airplanes, but it has palm oil supplies for airplanes.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 14: 21
            -6
            Quote: tihonmarine
            to the supply of palm oil at the expense of aircraft has.

            Can you read well? It’s not a fact that this oil will be there. But the stink on this topic here - it’s not easy to breathe.

            By the way:
            - also not the fact that this is the very oil (if any) will reach the Russian Federation at all
            - and if it comes, what will go exactly to the food.

            But some are already yelling here, like the victims who use this oil through their mouths (and not only) to pour it right now by force.

            Symptomatically, however yes
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 26
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              It’s not a fact that this oil will be there.

              Want to argue? wink
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 15: 31
                -4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Want to argue?

                With you? What for? You are just one of those

                Quote: Golovan Jack
                they’re yelling here already, like the victims, who use this oil through their mouths (and not only), right now, right now, they are forcibly pouring under pressure

                Whether it is oil or not is secondary for you yes
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 29 November 2019 16: 31
              -1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              It’s not a fact that this oil will be there.

              And what kind of oil will it be? It says "palm". And it will go into the hands of "fat cats" bought for public money, not for the production of the same aircraft. There is no money for the creation of the NK-93 engine, and the "cats" have no money.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 16: 42
                -5
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                It’s not a fact that this oil will be there.

                And what kind of oil will it be? It is written "palm"

                The fence is also "written". But butter - yes, damn it, it's not a fact that it will be at all. Can you read?

                The Minister of Defense noted that everyone may not be talking about, but options are being considered with the exchange of several Su-30MKM for Su-35 and MiG-29 for MiG-35, if surcharge will be made by palm oil produced in Malaysia

                It's for now Wishlist Minister of Defense of Malaysia. No more. There is no deal yet, what was the scream about?

                Quote: tihonmarine
                "cats" butter

                And to trolls - an occasion to flood. Something like this.
  16. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 29 November 2019 10: 23
    +6
    better to exchange clay whistles
  17. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 29 November 2019 10: 31
    +4
    received a minus)) and what does not agree with me that we do not need money, we need PM and clay whistles)))
  18. ZVS
    ZVS 29 November 2019 10: 50
    +6
    Baboons are the best friends of the Russian government. And the government is ready to further poison the population of Russia with palm oil, just to sell the latest weapons. The exchange of modern military equipment for palm oil is a state crime.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 29 November 2019 12: 18
      +6
      Quote: SU
      Baboons are the best friends of the Russian government. And the government is ready to further poison the population of Russia with palm oil, just to sell the latest weapons. The exchange of modern military equipment for palm oil is a state crime.

      The import and use of palm oil in general is a crime against the people of Russia.
      The growth of oncological diseases of the gastrointestinal tract (gastrointestinal tract) since 2008 alone amounted to more than 40%. This growth is clearly correlated with growth in imports and use of palm oil. What we eat is what we have.
      The conclusions are obvious, no matter what tricks the advocates of the palm policy of the Russian government use.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 13: 58
        -6
        Nothing that we have eaten margarine since the 30s. And no one in the USSR stuttered about his harm. Trans fat is harmful no matter what kind of oil went into its manufacture.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 November 2019 14: 53
          +1
          I already wrote here above that margarine was still produced and consumed in the Russian Empire.
        2. ZVS
          ZVS 29 November 2019 21: 03
          -1
          Do not confuse xer with a finger, but hydrogenated sunflower oil or animal fats with palm oil.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 21: 08
            -4
            The output is exactly the same product: trans fat. Like sugar: it is absolutely unimportant what it is made of: beetroot or cane.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 14: 23
        -5
        The growth of gastrointestinal oncology is mainly a consequence of the use of hormones and antibiotics in livestock farming, as well as the use of chemical plant protection products. And not palm oil, as many people think.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 28
          +2
          The whole blame.
        2. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 29 November 2019 18: 22
          +1
          Chemistry was also actively used in the USSR from aircraft. What is now missing - there is no agricultural aviation (and money will be given to c.)))
          this is a consequence of the use of hormones and antibiotics in livestock farming,

          And when they will blame the modern Russian meat industry for this, you will probably write that hormones and antibiotics are absolutely harmless and all the troubles from palm oil?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 18: 28
            -5
            Hormones and antibiotics, like any chemistry, are generally unnatural if they are not developed by the body of the animal. Pesticides and insecticides are poison. Palm oil is a natural product, no better and no worse than other oils.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 29 November 2019 19: 12
              +1
              What do you mean?! belay
              Hormones are also produced by the body and thanks to antibiotics we are spared many diseases.
              Pesticides and insecticides saved us from pests. Everything is good in moderation.
              Palm oil is a natural product,

              You can name a huge number of such "natural products" from which you need to stay away. Palm is definitely one of them.
              Let others conduct experiments on themselves.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 14: 14
      +4
      Quote: SU
      The exchange of modern military equipment for palm oil is a state crime.

      But I am surprised at the number of palm oil advocates on our site.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 15: 24
        -5
        What surprises me more is the number of hysterical proteins on this site. In which vegetable oils contain cholesterol.
  19. Thecubel21
    Thecubel21 29 November 2019 11: 05
    +9
    You give us high-tech military products, and we poison you! Seethe, for both cheeks! We have a clear sky, you oncology! Well damn, how so? Well, the audacity of the guard.
    1. sagitch
      sagitch 29 November 2019 11: 26
      +7
      So the first Oil Dryers were bought. Take an interest in that 2007 deal.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 29 November 2019 12: 28
        +4
        And the MiG-29 is also for oil.
  20. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 29 November 2019 11: 10
    +7
    And if Malaysia has manure? Manure could have come up!
  21. Alien From
    Alien From 29 November 2019 11: 11
    +2
    It won’t work, only change for creamy))) let the palm mattresses vparivayut)
  22. Aliken
    Aliken 29 November 2019 11: 14
    +2
    Yes, and Russia needs palm oil desperately.
  23. Tukm
    Tukm 29 November 2019 11: 19
    +7
    Nestle buys 420 tons of palm oil per year. Nestele’s net worth of 000 billion. The company controls:
    Chocolate Factory "Russia" (Samara),
    Ice Cream Factory in Zhukovsky, Moscow Region,
    Factory “Maggi” in Vyazniki, Vladimir Region,
    -confectionery factory "Kamskaya" (Perm),
    - factory of instant and sublimated coffee (Timashevsk, Krasnodar Territory),
    - baby food factory and Bystrov factory (instant cereals and instant cereals, -Vologda),
    Pet Food Factory (Vorsino Village, Kaluga Region)
    This is one example where this oil can be used. And if this oil is used everywhere in the world, it is rather difficult to refuse it, we are not North Korea.
    1. Elturisto
      Elturisto 29 November 2019 11: 28
      +5
      Yes, and the legalization of drugs does not need to be abandoned, it’s possible in Holland, where are we Europe and not Korea ... so what.
      1. Corn
        Corn 29 November 2019 12: 09
        +1
        Of course, do not refuse.
        The Dutch experience turned out to be successful, the level of drug addiction and general crime decreased markedly, over the past 15 years, this experience was adopted in almost all highly developed (technologically, culturally, financially ... whatever, except for “religion”).
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 14: 18
      0
      Quote: Tukm
      - baby food factory and Bystrov factory (instant cereals and instant cereals, -Vologda),
      Pet Food Factory (Vorsino Village, Kaluga Region)

      The layout is normal, "Baby food and food for cats and dogs."
  24. sagitch
    sagitch 29 November 2019 11: 25
    +4
    At present, the Malaysian Air Force operates 18 Su-30MKM fighters, which have been supplied since 2007
    Sold RF for palm oil! Oh, damn it! Guessed what fighters to change ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 17: 40
      -5
      On green papers, probably better?
  25. Berkut24
    Berkut24 29 November 2019 11: 35
    -4
    I read the comments here. Many are obsessed with palm oil.
    Firstly, we bought palm oil, we buy and we will buy. Because it happened so ... Therefore, if we do not buy in one place, but buy in another, nothing will change for our economy. I am one of those who are against "palm" in products, but the market for its consumption has developed, and this is a fact. And so it will be as long as we have the poor who are not able to buy a bun for a child for 54 rubles.
    Secondly, the purchase and sale of weapons is a political issue as well. And sometimes you have to pay for politics too. Especially when you enter a region controlled by a "potential enemy". Everything has a price.
    Thirdly, market promotion, including the arms market, also costs money. So that you do not sell, but the first and second customers have to give cheaper to try, have developed usage statistics for the following potential customers. The Su-35 has already entered the market, and the MIG-35 is only in sales so far. Whether we want it or not, it’s impossible without concessions.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 29 November 2019 11: 57
      0
      Look who and how much consumes palm oil. The issue is not oil as such, but its quality.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 29 November 2019 12: 59
        +2
        I prefer milk, cream, cottage cheese, butter and cheese from under a cow, rather than from a palm tree.
        Against palm oil, as such, if of high quality, but in a bottle, I have nothing. If I want - I’ll buy and eat, but I don’t want to - I won’t buy it.
        But I don’t want to dig cheeses, cottage cheese and all dairy products from those made not in harmless ways into substitutes for natural products from milk -
        1. Pavel57
          Pavel57 29 November 2019 14: 30
          0
          Prohibit mayonnaise as a substitute for sour cream.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 29 November 2019 17: 58
            0
            He doesn’t bother me, your mayonnaise, I prefer sour cream. And yet - you want to eat surrogates - eat.
      2. Revival
        Revival 29 November 2019 13: 45
        +3
        That's right, in quality.
        Only here is the problem that they buy, basically, what is technical by normal standards.
        Edible then it is expensive, it does not allow the most to weld.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 29 November 2019 12: 10
      -4
      Quote: Berkut24
      I read the comments here.

      They spat out specifically ... although Temko is old, but it is already very hot to see!
      The main thing is GDP and AUTHORITY is to blame, no one else!
      To understand that the trouble is that hedgehogs cacti hawk, not because because, but because they don’t want to RECEIVE their living space, because they were carried away by chewing and heavy weight!
      When America was convinced that tuna was in danger of extermination, America stopped eating tuna, in large part, and this is a fact! They stopped exterminating tuna without measure, because there was nowhere to put the products !!! - the moral of this parable is this - And don’t eat, then don’t eat! -
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 29 November 2019 12: 55
        +2
        And then who is to blame? Pushkin?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2019 13: 46
          +4
          Quote: NordUral
          And then who is to blame? Pushkin?

          I’m tired of arguing on this topic ... From a change in the terms of the terms ... we will not live better, because CAPITALISM, THE AUTHORITY of the RICH, takes care of the working people IS NOT PROVIDED!
          The SYSTEM needs to be changed! if we want and we can.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 29 November 2019 13: 50
            +4
            And I keep saying this all the time, Victor. Moreover, it is precisely at the elections of all levels that they persistently persuade us to refuse - that it is useless.
            No, it will be very useful if the people wakes up, finally.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2019 14: 17
              +1
              Eugene, elections, dermocracy, it’s that we HAVE NOW and ignore this tool of forming the ruling / leading, just STUPID! We must start, try, with what we have ... we’ll not catch up with them, but we’ll warm ourselves! - a joke.
              We’ll practice, we may finally realize that it IS NECESSARY to UNITE in order to be able to achieve our goals.
              The methods of struggle / creation of real-life associations have long been known ... but we still have no way. The masses are inert, and those who have the power to rustle, defend for their interests without restricting themselves to anything!
              All the same, you have to ... unite, because it itself will not pass!
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 29 November 2019 18: 00
                0
                It is necessary to unite, but not with the same ones that are now in all the cracks and stumps of power.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 29 November 2019 18: 12
            +2
            And about the change of system I have been repeating for a long time. The main thing for the present moment is the absence of a socially oriented system and a social system alien to the people.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2019 19: 27
              0
              Quote: NordUral
              And about the change of system I have been repeating for a long time.

              You can outline a program maximum, but you have to start from a minimum, because to the maximum you have to long and carefully .... organize!
          3. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 18: 35
            -7
            As if under socialism there were no surrogates. Margarine is a butter substitute, black caviar from oil (this is a purely Soviet invention) aniline food colors. You can change the system (just why?), But technological progress cannot be stopped.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2019 19: 33
              +1
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              Margarine is a butter substitute, black caviar from oil (this is a purely Soviet invention) aniline food colors.

              You will be surprised at what they are trying to make food products ... and black caviar, artificial, made from fish and other food substitutes.
              1. Tony
                Tony 30 November 2019 03: 25
                +5
                In the USSR they used margarine and something no one noticed a deterioration in health, and life expectancy was higher for men ....
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 30 November 2019 09: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Tony
                  In the USSR they used margarine and something no one noticed a deterioration in health, and life expectancy was higher for men ....

                  Different things affect life expectancy ... and "correct" statistics.
                  There is no need to discuss the fact that food products were better in all respects, so we basically "adjusted" this very life expectancy ourselves!
                  About harmful working conditions ??? So there were production with very normal working conditions! There was always a choice!
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 29 November 2019 13: 01
      +3
      And sometimes you also have to pay for politics.
      For some reason, only the middle class and the poor have to pay, that is, the majority of the people
    4. Revival
      Revival 29 November 2019 13: 48
      -2
      Here we are, just about that and we say that "we have the poor who can not buy a child a bottle for 54 rubles."
      That's all the indignation.
      A palm tree is only a consequence, but indignation from a cause!
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2019 14: 31
      -2
      Quote: Berkut24
      Secondly, the purchase and sale of weapons is a political issue as well. And sometimes you also have to pay for politics.

      Interesting thought "Politics, sale of fighters and palm oil". And what kind of political assistance can we have from Malaysia?
  26. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 November 2019 11: 56
    +1
    There is no patrol aircraft to offer to us, not even for palm oil. IL-114 will not appear soon. Like the Tu-204 PLO.
  27. NordUral
    NordUral 29 November 2019 12: 54
    +3
    Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will also eat cheese and milk substitutes, so that the oligarchs are rich. The argument that this is necessary for the production of boards for yourself is a tale for zombies from a TV box.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 14: 00
      -2
      Who makes you buy cheap varieties of dairy products? Cheese, by definition, cannot cost 400 rubles per kilo - for this money only a surrogate.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 31
        0
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Who makes you buy cheap varieties of dairy products
        Andrei, do the people have money for normal products?
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 29 November 2019 18: 04
        +1
        I don’t buy absolutely cheap, but the fact is that even for a couple of thousand cheese can be made from milk substitutes, it is more profitable. And it's not just about cheese, but about the almost complete replacement of natural substitutes.
        And yet such a trifle - the poverty level in the country. So do not offer to eat cakes if there is no bread.
  28. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 29 November 2019 12: 57
    +5
    I don’t use drugs. Does this mean that you don’t have to fight with the drug mafia ?? and the fools say, don’t take ersatz when it is everywhere, in all food products. million promised jobs ????
    1. Revival
      Revival 29 November 2019 13: 40
      +2
      Absolutely.
      The proposal is simply not to buy products with a palm tree, they say you have a choice, this is a direct mockery and mockery.
      As:
      1. Palm stick everywhere and in cheap and expensive, and even quietly.
      2. "Healthy foods", in any case, cost so much that the people in the mass simply cannot buy them due to the fact that these same advisers give shameful salaries, pensions, benefits.
      Total: direct, not covered up hypocritical mockery!
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 29 November 2019 13: 50
      +3
      FIGHT HOW? pull the pans over your head, run to jump and as a result replace some of the backbones with others, the same or worse? or look back into our not so distant story?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 November 2019 14: 44
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        FIGHT HOW? pull the pans over your head, run to jump and as a result replace some of the backbones with others, the same or worse? or look back into our not so distant story?

        I remember 1953, when my mother gave me 10 rubles (1 kg. In the store 25 rubles) and I bought a pound of butter at the bazaar, in 1964 I studied at "Dzerzhinka" we were given 250 grams for four in the morning. butter. In the 80s, the navies of the Navy, MMF, MRH had the same alignment. True, in stores it cost 3 rubles 50 kopecks. And until capitalism came, we ate natural cottage cheese, cheese and butter. And why suddenly there was a "palm". 5 years ago I took it from Malaysia, the price of one ton was 300 US dollars.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2019 14: 48
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And why suddenly there was a "palm".

          Optimization, saving, just greed ... this is capitalism and profit rules many, many where!
          Now you can’t say that it’s not us, but the world is such ... many of us have become the same as others in the whole world!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 November 2019 16: 18
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            just greed ... it's capitalism and profit rules many, many where!

            And imagine how much they will make a profit, not the people, and not those who protect them. If in 2018, more than a Million tons of palm trees were imported to Russia (in 1990, 87 tons were imported to the USSR).
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2019 19: 11
              +2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Can you imagine how much they will make a profit,

              Can you imagine how they will break off if we are more attentive, more selective, SMARTER and FRIENDLY !!!
              By the way, it’s much healthier and we will ruin pharmaceutical companies as well !!!
              The next step is to quit DRINKING AND SMOKING !!! laughing
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 14: 50
          -7
          Quote: tihonmarine
          until capitalism came we ate natural cottage cheese, cheese and butter

          They told you that. And you believed request

          And you fried potatoes (and not only) on margarine. And they did not buzz.

          Quote: tihonmarine
          And why suddenly there was a "palm"

          She has always been. Only you did not know about it.

          Quote: tihonmarine
          5 years ago I drove her from Malaysia, the price of one ton was 300 US dollars

          Interesting ... but did the oil itself tell you the price? And where did they take it? What for? That's very interesting yes
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 November 2019 16: 22
            -1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And you fried potatoes (and not only) on margarine. And they did not buzz.

            In the prison on margarine everything was fried and added to the porridge. I served and worked in the Navy, and I did not know (and still do not know) what margarine is.
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 16: 44
          -5
          The palm tree appeared not five years ago. Mass purchases of palm oil began back in the 70s. And, as it is not funny now, in the USSR it was used, first of all, for the production of baby food, as the most hypoallergenic.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 November 2019 16: 48
            +1
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Mass purchases of palm oil began back in the 70s.

            Somewhere since 1977, they began to purchase. 1990 tons were purchased in 87, and 000 million tons in 2018.
    3. Charik
      Charik 29 November 2019 14: 51
      -3
      their dag-scratch (jobs) come in large numbers
  29. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 29 November 2019 13: 16
    -2
    Will they probably exchange by weight?
  30. Revival
    Revival 29 November 2019 13: 35
    0
    Well, of course, we will agree.
    And how without palm oil?
    If you do not buy it in fantastic quantities, then people will suddenly see that there is no milk in the store, and this is a reason for dissatisfaction. And the palm tree allows you to "rub glasses" that the store shelves are filled with supposedly natural milk.
  31. Invoce
    Invoce 29 November 2019 13: 53
    +1
    What a trade-in is not right!
  32. Romanenko
    Romanenko 29 November 2019 14: 08
    +2
    Palm oil cannot be imported into our country, otherwise soon there will be no products left, all of it will be. Let them sell this rubbish to someone there in Malaysia, and they will pay the money with us.
  33. Shahno
    Shahno 29 November 2019 14: 14
    -3
    Well, the problem is raised right. You (and it is growing companies) need to move towards solvent customers.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 15: 34
      +2
      In particular, towards Russia itself, it seems that there is money, planes are needed.
  34. Shahno
    Shahno 29 November 2019 14: 19
    -2
    Quote: rocket757
    Eugene, elections, dermocracy, it’s that we HAVE NOW and ignore this tool of forming the ruling / leading, just STUPID! We must start, try, with what we have ... we’ll not catch up with them, but we’ll warm ourselves! - a joke.
    We’ll practice, we may finally realize that it IS NECESSARY to UNITE in order to be able to achieve our goals.
    The methods of struggle / creation of real-life associations have long been known ... but we still have no way. The masses are inert, and those who have the power to rustle, defend for their interests without restricting themselves to anything!
    All the same, you have to ... unite, because it itself will not pass!

    And in the case, then. Masses damn it. What the hell mass.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 29 November 2019 18: 09
      0
      And those that under the Soviet regime became the Soviet people, almost became. the country was not enough for this. If we wake up, then there is still a chance, but no, we will go into oblivion.
  35. Charik
    Charik 29 November 2019 14: 48
    -4
    yeah, take the right oil and in Kazakhstan, gas at 26 rubles
  36. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 29 November 2019 16: 08
    +2
    These liberals have already gotten out with this "palm oil ..", at least they would have come up with something new .... Well, you don't raise the people into turmoil with such fakes ..
    As someone said, if you spit on people, they will rub off, but if people spit on you, you will choke. hi
    It was not you who created these fighters, built, and it was not for you to indicate how and for what deliveries are being made ...
    I remember in the 90s they sold weapons and technology .. We are still recovering.! so shut up throats
    1. Tony
      Tony 30 November 2019 03: 22
      +5
      Are there liberals alone? Throats?
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 30 November 2019 08: 32
        0
        Quote: Tony
        Are there liberals alone? Throats?

        Well, you see, a lot of them have recently divorced, always dissatisfied with everyone ..))) hi
  37. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 29 November 2019 16: 53
    -5
    Here is the price of our aviation industry - Palm oil
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 29 November 2019 17: 23
      0
      Have you invested a lot in the aviation industry in order to have the right to judge it?
  38. Esaul
    Esaul 30 November 2019 10: 36
    0
    In exchange for palm oil, we can provide only snow and dirt.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 30 November 2019 14: 14
      0
      In Soviet times, weapons were sold to India for rupees, which were not convertible, so the Vneshtorgovtsy learned to implement barter, with benefit for themselves.
  39. impostor
    impostor 30 November 2019 21: 41
    0
    but options are being considered with the exchange of several Su-30MKM for Su-35 and MiG-29 for MiG-35, if the surcharge will be made by Malaysian palm oil

    Is it some kind of barter, but the 90s seems to have sunk into oblivion?
  40. sannyomd
    sannyomd 2 December 2019 09: 18
    0
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Really - Amazing! belay The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???
    Let them dig in the bins ... what

    Why can't it immediately? It's so convenient for them, they're used to it, so to speak, that in Russia palm oil is eaten with spoons ..
  41. sannyomd
    sannyomd 2 December 2019 09: 27
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Can you imagine how much they will make a profit,

    Can you imagine how they will break off if we are more attentive, more selective, SMARTER and FRIENDLY !!!
    By the way, it’s much healthier and we will ruin pharmaceutical companies as well !!!
    The next step is to quit DRINKING AND SMOKING !!! laughing

    Nah, buddy ... It's too much !! Look what you thought up, stop throwing drinks)) no, no, no, it’s impossible, otherwise you’ll also look at the bright future so it won’t last long! You throw this thing.
  42. We_smart
    We_smart 4 December 2019 07: 24
    0
    Quote: Designer 68
    that the product is BZMZH's Dairy-Free Fat Substitute, or in other variants, and I am deeply convinced that having bought such milk he eats just milk.

    And why is this statement born evident by serious attempts at mental activity? what

    But in essence, besides your efforts there is nothing to say? Go already lighten up, maybe rude desire will pass.