“With surcharge of palm oil”: In Malaysia, they are ready to exchange the Su-30МКМ for the Su-35 and the MiG-29 for the MiG-35

The Minister of Defense of Malaysia confirmed the information about the proposal from Russia on the exchange of fighters available in the kingdom's air force for newer modifications.

According to the head of the military department of Malaysia, Mohammad Sabu, expressed before the parliament, it is extremely important for the country's air force aviation for surveillance from the air, as well as maneuverable fighters.

At the same time, Sabu noted that until 2030, Malaysia would not consider such a question as the acquisition of completely new combat aircraft (“from scratch”) - the Air Force will focus on upgrading the operating versions. The Minister of Defense also referred to the possibility of exchanging aircraft for modernization.

At the moment, the Malaysian Air Force operates 18 Su-30MKM fighters, which were supplied starting from 2007 year. These fighters are equipped with multiple French-made systems, including indicators (ILS), infrared vision sensors, etc.

Malaysia also has in its fleet of 10 MiG-29 fighters. Earlier in Kuala Lumpur, it was announced that the life of these fighters had already expired and now a replacement is necessary.

Parliamentarians asked the Minister if the defense department is going to change all 28 aircraft of Russian production to new modifications, also made in the Russian Federation? The Minister of Defense noted that everyone may not be talking about, but options are being considered with the exchange of several Su-30МКМ for Su-35 and MiG-29 for MiG-35, if the surcharge will be made with Malaysian palm oil.

In addition, Sabu noted that the country needs a naval patrol aircraft, as well as flight simulators for training pilots.

About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported.

Comments

[rocket757]

Sabu noted that the country needs a naval patrol aircraft, as well as flight simulators to train pilots.
About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported.

It is clear that we NEED to do the whole range of equipment and military equipment, for MYSELF and for sale, if it is of high quality and sufficient for our needs!

[Hunter 2]

Really - Amazing! The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???
Let them dig in the bins ...

[rocket757]

Commercial affairs, secrets.
In principle, any product is a product if it can be converted into what is needed without any problems. Someone likes it, does not like it, the main thing is that the "suit would sit"!

[1Alexey]

And why do we need this, take this obsolete trash, and in return even with surcharge, give modern planes?

What will we do with this stuff then? Yes, even with French electronics, which we can turn off at any time.

[krot]

What kind of palm oil? It’s also technical, come on .. People get more poison from such products. Barrage duties did not palm oil go through the Duma? And then there’s some silence.

[Victorio]

Quote: krot

What kind of palm oil? It’s also technical, come on .. People get more poison from such products. Barrage duties did not palm oil go through the Duma? And then there’s some silence.

---
there is such a lobby hoo! oil is already everywhere shoved into products

[KCA]

We got it with palm oil, it’s the oil, it’s not very different from sunflower oil, margarine was EVERYWHERE in the USSR, I don’t remember people screaming about its harm, any baking recipe, what’s there in the number one? Margarine children from infancy used, nothing, grew up alive and healthy, like me, for example

[rocket757]

Quote: 1Alexey

And why do we need this, take this obsolete trash,

Oh how loudly stated. Probably a great special in the aircraft industry.

[Revival]

And we will give Mongolia, etc.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: rocket757

Commercial affairs, secrets.
In principle, any product is a product if it can be converted into what is needed without any problems. Someone likes it, does not like it, the main thing is that the "suit would sit"!

Nothing personal. Just business. Put on a grand scale.

Russia is one of the largest producers and exporters of sunflower oil: the whole country can be provided with this valuable product rich in vitamins and polyunsaturated fatty acids. But they prefer to sell it abroad. And in return, cheap palm oil is brought to us from Tanzania and Malaysia - a surrogate dangerous to the body, which is forbidden for use in the food industry in all developed countries.
Palm oil as a substitute for vegetable fats in the Russian food industry came in the early 2000s - in the form of industrial raw materials. This is the way it is today - according to the Federal Customs Service, they bring us more than 300 thousand tons per year of overseas convenience foods. This is enough to include palm oil in almost all food products. And also in the composition of soaps, shampoos, creams.

Thanks to several signatures from officials, tropical vegetable fat quickly became a strategically important product for the country. So important that in 2003 a dizzying scheme was drawn up to exchange Malaysian palm oil for modern Russian Su-30MKM fighters. The negative consequences of the use of palm oil were then treacherously hidden, and our citizens began to get used to the unappetizing, plasticine-like Malaysian fat. But suddenly, in January of this year, the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko blocked the supply of cheese from Ukraine: palm oil was found in it. For some reason, the chief sanitary doctor was not embarrassed by the fact that at that time 60 percent of Russian food products no longer had either cream or milk fat - instead they used the same tropical substitute. On the packaging there is either not a word about it, or neutral "vegetable fat". Which manufacturer wants to lower the price of their goods, calling sour cream a "sour cream product", butter "spread", as it should be by law?

In Taman, “valuable” raw materials are supplied by giant tankers to the transshipment and production complex for processing palm oil.

https://korobok12.livejournal.com/624799.html

[rocket757]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Nothing personal. Just business. Put on a grand scale.

This is obvious and has long been known to everyone.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Russia is one of the largest producers and exporters of sunflower oil: the whole country can be provided with this valuable product rich in vitamins and polyunsaturated fatty acids. But they prefer to sell it abroad. But in exchange

Are you serious? Do you have enough vegetable oil? Which one?

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Quote: rocket757

Commercial affairs, secrets.
In principle, any product is a product if it can be converted into what is needed without any problems. Someone likes it, does not like it, the main thing is that the "suit would sit"!

Nothing personal. Just business. Put on a grand scale.

Russia is one of the largest producers and exporters of sunflower oil: the whole country can be provided with this valuable product rich in vitamins and polyunsaturated fatty acids. But they prefer to sell it abroad. And in return, cheap palm oil is brought to us from Tanzania and Malaysia - a surrogate dangerous to the body, which is forbidden for use in the food industry in all developed countries.
Palm oil as a substitute for vegetable fats in the Russian food industry came in the early 2000s - in the form of industrial raw materials. This is the way it is today - according to the Federal Customs Service, they bring us more than 300 thousand tons per year of overseas convenience foods. This is enough to include palm oil in almost all food products. And also in the composition of soaps, shampoos, creams.

Thanks to several signatures from officials, tropical vegetable fat quickly became a strategically important product for the country. So important that in 2003 a dizzying scheme was drawn up to exchange Malaysian palm oil for modern Russian Su-30MKM fighters. The negative consequences of the use of palm oil were then treacherously hidden, and our citizens began to get used to the unappetizing, plasticine-like Malaysian fat. But suddenly, in January of this year, the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko blocked the supply of cheese from Ukraine: palm oil was found in it. For some reason, the chief sanitary doctor was not embarrassed by the fact that at that time 60 percent of Russian food products no longer had either cream or milk fat - instead they used the same tropical substitute. On the packaging there is either not a word about it, or neutral "vegetable fat". Which manufacturer wants to lower the price of their goods, calling sour cream a "sour cream product", butter "spread", as it should be by law?

In Taman, “valuable” raw materials are supplied by giant tankers to the transshipment and production complex for processing palm oil.

https://korobok12.livejournal.com/624799.html

I don’t offer to eat delicious homemade, I don’t like homemade sour cream because of fat content, but there’s plenty to buy, choose from! Good brands have long been known and are not absolutely expensive and inaccessible!
By the way, on the shelves the products are divided and you can choose the tasty one, just being attentive and taking amplifying glasses (small texts print), CAN!
I got garbage, you can take it to the store and turn it in. If it does not correspond to what is written or spoiled.
In short, all sorts of different things ... not edible in bulk in our stores, so we must not take this, it will become smaller !!!
It amazes me when people buy all sorts of "rollton" string bags ??? or an aunt, herself twice as wide as herself, buys cheap sausage with STICKS !!! what for?
People, do not be enemies YOURSELF!

[Revival]

Your idea is clear, but ..
Do you think that aunt can buy a real sausage with sticks?
Have you seen the price of a sausage that is natural "pure"?

[rocket757]

Quote: Revival

Your idea is clear, but ..
Do you think that aunt can buy a real sausage with sticks?
Have you seen the price of a sausage that is natural "pure"?

I don’t eat either roltones or sausage ... the sausage that my aunt bought, even cats, are unlikely to be!
This is not a joke, this is a real case, and my aunt, with her dimensions, probably she was so blown away by hunger !!! By the way, this is a VILLAGE! Everyone who lives there can, can earn and live normally, the conditions are so perfect, the location is good. It is only necessary to get down from the sofa and the garden, the personal plot to begin to process, for example!
I don’t live on a willow tree and I KNOW that the working, living conditions are different everywhere .... I go up to the roosters every day to feed the living creatures and have time for work !!! Today the ice, it took a long time ... by our standards, of course. I know that it happens much further, harder, more uncomfortable.

[tech3030]

Aunts carry not from gluttony, but from diseases, harmonic disorders. My mother is so sick, diabetes and so on. Five of us raised, for the body it does not go in vain. Hence the excess weight. Well, and palm oil, I think good will not do anything good for health.

[rocket757]

Quote: tech3030

Aunts carry not from gluttony, but from diseases, harmonious disorders

It’s not a question, we all have Moms, elderly relatives are also aware of age-related, occupational diseases by hearsay.
And palm oil should be used for technical needs or wherever else, just not for food. This is clear.
BUT, we ourselves must NOT eat anything that arouses suspicion ... we must show a bit of attentiveness and sanity.
Do not use all sorts of rubbish and all.
Not all white sugar, not all odorous is natural ... we have olfactory organs and once we run into beautifully packed rubbish, don’t take it anymore and advise others to do the same!
Today, two teenagers snooped around the store, they shot a denyushka ... What a rascal! With headphones in their ears and smartphones in teams .... compassionate women gave them a little money, and compassionate cigars gave CIGARETTS when asked ....
Took away, so shouted from a distance .... well, it dawned on the crap that he had done stupidity, even blushed! He felt ashamed and it pleases, I hope he won’t do that again.
WE ALL are responsible for what surrounds us! If the majority understands this, everyone will be better off!

[sniperino]

Quote: tech3030

Well, I think palm oil will not do anything good for health.

Margarine, they say, will be more harmful.

[lelik613]

The next day they will offer donkey urine and camel dung as payment.

[rocket757]

Quote: lelik613

The next day they will offer donkey urine and camel dung as payment.

No question, do not .... use! Nowhere will be realized, no one will drag it here.

[lelik613]

You are just looking pessimistically at the creativity of our bosses.

[rocket757]

Quote: lelik613

You are just looking pessimistically at the creativity of our bosses.

I just think that it is time for compatriots to show sanity, and not hope for the good and the good .......

[lelik613]

Do you consider superiors compatriots?
"

[rocket757]

Quote: lelik613

Do you consider superiors compatriots?

As you climb the career ladder, people change! Starting from a certain level, HEADS cease to consider those who are lower, equal to themselves, almost always!
Only the steps are different for everyone, at different heights.

[donavi49]

They can, but why? They have oil problems right now. The EU (the main purchaser) banned them along with friends from Indonesia. Therefore, it is logical that problematic goods with overproduction are pushed to barter. They sell rare earths and high-tech equipment for loot and without any barter.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: donavi49

Therefore, it is logical that problematic goods with overproduction are pushed to barter. They sell rare earths and high-tech equipment for loot and without any barter.

And this is normal. It’s not normal when all the best is exported, and its own population is provided on a residual basis.

[Grandfather]

“With surcharge of palm oil”: In Malaysia, they are ready to exchange the Su-30МКМ for the Su-35 and the MiG-29 for the MiG-35

and if you mix it with soy, then in general such a "nyamka" will turn out! m..mm! and "ice cream" and "cottage cheese" and "cheeses" - the sea "! better than any fighter!"welcome to "magnets" and "pyatyorochki"!

[St Petrov]

"Among the leaders in food consumption are the EU countries, the USA and Japan ... in general, Russia is in 17th place." Malaysian Palm Oil Producers Council

That's how they banned

[Revival]

Yes, only now, just pay attention to the type of oil that is consumed in the EU and ours.
And everything will fall into place .. we are mainly brought in, something that is forbidden to look there, like the "third world"

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Revival

pay attention to the type of oil that is consumed in the EU and here ... we are mainly imported, it is forbidden to look at it there

Documents confirming your, ahem ... information - in the studio.

Otherwise, trepidation turns out ... buddy

[Revival]

Damn, I thought someone else, looked who requested the documents ...
There is no my attention on you ...)

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Revival

There is no my attention on you ...)

This is trepidation.

Quote: Revival

we are imported mainly, which is forbidden to look at

And this, therefore, too.

Chtd

[Revival]

Okay, I'll write you again: your comments have been a "ringing void" for me for a year now. It was since I realized that your goal in any "protected" topic is just to divert the discussion aside, to blur uncomfortable questions and so on.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Revival

your goal ... it is precisely and only to divert discussion to the side, to blur inconvenient issues, and so on.

My friend, you wrote directly to yourself. More precisely, you will not say

So, again - to the topic of palm oil:

Quote: Revival

we are imported mainly, which is forbidden to look at

Whence firewood information? Well, you yourself didn’t come up with this

If you wanted an uncomfortable question - catch it, everything is for you, practical

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... can offer nothing but palm oil ???

Why can not. It can very well. Voting at the UN for example. We oh how there are not enough votes in the UN in our favor. All who receive nishtyaki from Russia, then at least return the votes to the UN.
With torn sheep at least a tuft of wool, but all good.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Hunter 2

Really - Amazing! The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???
Let them dig in the bins ...

The problem is not in them. The problem is in us. The beast is running to the catcher. Someone is rowing grandmothers with a shovel and does not care about the health of the people and the honor of the Su and Mig firms. This is incomprehensible to the mind of the new MiG-35 and Su-35 in exchange for poison Someone found "palm oil", so to speak. But because of this, the incidence of diseases is growing at once.

“Russians can drink everything, even hydrochloric acid. But it will definitely kill you, ”said Czech laboratory experts after they examined butter sold in Russia and even ended up in state-funded schools in Russia. Palm oil in its composition turned out to be technical, with a 10-fold excess of European standards for the content of dangerous carcinogens, recognized as very toxic poison - the so-called glycidyl ethers (GE).
In our country, the content of GE is not regulated at all by any standards, and therefore Rospotrebnadzor believes that there are no grounds for a response. Meanwhile, State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fedorov and a group of experts are urging urgent action and cleanse the country of poison.

In 2017, 892 thousand tons of palm oil was imported into Russia, and last year - already 1 million 60 tons. Today it is impossible not to eat palm oil - it is almost everywhere. In the so-called dairy products, confectionery, chips, fast food, sauces. At the same time, approximately 83% of palm oil contains glycidyl ethers in quantities that sharply exceed the standards. Glycidol was recognized as a poison and carcinogen in Soviet times, in 1983. In 2008, sanitary rules were adopted, according to which it is classified as highly hazardous class A2 poisons and carcinogens. It provokes the development of many types of cancer, and in addition, it is able to change the genetic code of the cell. According to the doctor of medical sciences, the first deputy director of the REC “Biomed” Moscow State University Lomonosov Dmitry Edelev, any use is extremely dangerous: it is absorbed by the body by 97% and is able to penetrate even through the skin, while maintaining a carcinogenic effect.

https://www.mk.ru/social/health/2019/09/23/v-pishhevom-palmovom-masle-nashli-opasneyshiy-yad.html

[opus]

Quote: Hunter 2

The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???

Amazing!

Authoritative international experts have finally recognized the Russian Federation as a global superpower, one of the centers of power almost equal to the States and China. As noted in the official report of the Conference (Munich Security Conference 2017), a new era of competition between the "great powers" - the United States, China and Russia - is now beginning.

Does the superpower pay for palm oil for its "unparalleled" military products?

accepts this rapidly cheaper threshing floor?

- In 2018, the EU officially banned food production containing glycidyl ethers and 3-MCPD
PM in Europe is now only in diesel bio

US palm oil consumption

In 2015 in the USA the use of trans fats hazardous to health was prohibited in food, and in 2018, WHO made a similar recommendation to the whole world.

So far, there is not much per capita, just over 3 kilograms per year per person. This is 2 times less than Russiabut the growth rate is impressive ..
In 2016, Russia imported 885 thousand tons of palm oil.

as they say "defenders"

Myth number 8. Palm oil causes irreparable harm to the health of newborns - manufacturers of infant formula use it because of its low cost.
The root of the wrong statement because palm oil is not only harmless to newborns, it is especially beneficial for them . Palm oil in baby formulas is an important and necessary ingredient. In the production of breast milk substitutes, it is important to fully comply with a unique set of fatty acids. One of these acids is palmitic, it is simply necessary for the growth and development of the baby and is found in breast milk. Therefore, manufacturers of mixtures and baby food use certain fractions of palm oil.

According to the FCS, the import of palm oil in Russia in 2018 amounted to 1,06 million tons worth $ 748,4 million, while in 2017 import in kind was estimated at 891 thousand tons. According to the Institute for Agricultural Market Studies (IKAR) ), a slight increase in deliveries should be expected in 2019 - up to 1,2 million tons. As for the import for the season, in 2017/18, 934 thousand tons of palm oil were imported to Russia, which was a record result

According to specialized sources, Cargill LLC is the leader in PM imports to Russia. a subsidiary of a multinational corporation Cargill, based in the United States, and the holding "Solar Products", part of the financial and industrial group "Bouquet" Vladislav Burov, who made a career in the Saratov region.
They whisper that Vyacheslav Volodin, the current speaker of the State Duma, was at the origins of the company.

[New Year day]

Quote: opus

at the origins of the company was the current speaker of the State Duma "truth-teller" Vyacheslav Volodin.

And former Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich

[Inokenty]

opus (Anton)! Hello Jewish propagandist from Israel! Almost a year was gone. And what do you care about palm oil in Russia? Clearly, propaganda is such a thing. I remember how you defended the interests of Israel in polemics in the military with foam at the mouth. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[sagitch]

So the deal, from 2007, with palm oil passed, why not try again ...

[Herman 4223]

Only part of the transaction will be paid by palm oil, the main part is used aircraft from Malaysia. Those who have already earned a resource, and who are already morally obsolete. More delusional offers simply can not be found. I hope our reason is enough to refuse. Of course, I have both hands for our factories to receive orders, but not in this way.

[kjhg]

Quote: Herman 4223

I hope our reason is enough to refuse.

Refuse your own offer? It is Russia that offered Malaysia such an exchange.

[Herman 4223]

Where does this information come from? I understand why some people need palm oil, but why does someone else need old fighter jets? Most likely, our aircraft offered for a palm tree (maybe I didn’t hear the truth about it). But the Malaysians also decided to shove stuff up so that they would not be scattered about with their goods.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hunter 2

Let them dig in the bins ...

If only accessories for the PC. I have a hard drive of Malaysian production for eight years in my computer

[4ekist]

.... If only this oil could be resold without importing into the country ..

[Victor Lutvin]

It’s better that we planted in the Republic of Belarus, we, too, are only buttercream. Well, and potatoes with onions. :)

[Vladimir16]

We will eat palm oil.
Creamy is eaten, and palm can only be eaten.

And most importantly, we will think that we are eating a dairy product, but in reality it will be palm oil.

Labor made a man out of a monkey; DAM makes a man out of a man.

Pad.la they are all there.

[Ka-52]

Pad.la they are all there.

bullshit

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ka-52

bullshit

Of course nonsense. And our government is only about the people and cares, despite the cries of all-companions.

[opus]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And our government is only about the people and cares, n

yeah.
Five richest families of the Kremlin and the government.

in t.ch.
Alexander Tkachev, Minister of Agriculture
Family income: 586 million rubles

[Ingvar 72]

Yes, I know everything Anton, just apart from evil sarcasm I don’t feel like writing anymore. But it’s a shame for the state.

[Inokenty]

Ingvar 72 (Igor)! Before you is an illiterate Jew - a propagandist from Israel who has been absent from VO for a year. Previously, I tried to argue on technical issues (radar), but after he was proved to be illiterate, he began to avoid polemics. He thinks that he was forgotten at VO. is he went here to collect more likes and at the same time add a spoonful of tar to the minds of Russians. Therefore, you should not be led to his opuses - he only counts on it and no more!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Vladimir16

Labor made a man out of a monkey,

[SSR]

Quote: Vladimir16

Creamy is eaten, and palm can only be eaten.

Kamrad, I understand your angry righteousness, but for the sake of justice, read about palm oil, but as with a throw from Latynina, she flashed in and the people picked up the phrase without checking the source of the infusion.
Unrefined red palm it is expensive and useful, transparent refined is not the same, but hydrogenated oil is a complete muck.
PS.
If the exchange for expensive "red" oil is one thing, if for hydrogenated oil, it is another thing, but it is still necessary to discuss it in fact.

[1Alexey]

Why do we need this obsolete trash? Or let the new ones buy, or let them stay with this old stuff!

[opus]

Quote from S.S.R.

read about palm oil

WHO report 2018:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/97/2/18-220434/en/
Is it not Latynina? will arrange?
In the WHO Bulletin, a report based on 48 scientific studies:
- a meta-analysis of the work carried out by experts of the organization demonstrated convincing link between increased palm oil intake in 23 countries - and rising there mortality rate from coronary heart disease.
- WHO physicians have no doubt that palm oil systematically increases the content in the blood of "bad cholesterol" (LDL), which is the cause of atherosclerosis.
/ In the house where I live 3 weeks ago a 41-year-old man died, without bad habits, of normal build-an atherosclerosis blood clot broke off /
- The authors of the WHO published report acknowledge that sometimes articles appear in scientific journals, proving the harmlessness or even health benefits of palm oil.

However, during the preparation of the document it turned out that out of nine of these published articles, four were written by employees of the Malaysian Ministry of Agriculture - and more precisely, the department directly responsible for the development of this industry.

-The report separately states that back in 2003, WHO and the FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations) pointed to the potential health risks of palm oil. However, since then its production and consumption in the world has doubled, and in general from 1995 to 2017 - more than four times.

Quote from S.S.R.

Unrefined red palm it is expensive and useful

Yes, please eat as much as you need. But without me and without my children.
Have you mutated yet?
Threat. my grandparents and great B / d and parents, did not know what palm oil, died either at the front, or in old age, or injury. There were no allergies, overweight, heart, etc. ...
I am now in the clinic for medical examination to go scary crowds. The youngest child (16 years old) in the class has 90% allergics, and 95% with some sores.
EAT COOLS ON FIRST PALM OIL.

[Piramidon]

Quote: opus

In the house where I live 3 weeks ago, a 41-year-old man died, without bad habits, of normal build-an atherosclerosis blood clot broke

And if you hit a car, or fell from the roof, is palm oil also to blame? A blood clot can come off at a 20-year-old

[opus]

Quote: Piramidon

And if you hit a car, or fell from the roof,

and I, what was the statistics of deaths from traffic accidents? or is the accident somehow related to the import of palm oil in the Russian Federation?

Quote: Piramidon

A blood clot can come off at a 20-year-old

maybe it happens

It happens that a girl dies with a girl, but lives with a widow

I'm not talking about that

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Nothing that the palm does not contain cholesterol from the word "at all"

and I / who said / wrote that Does PM contain cholesterol? eh?

Quote: opus

palm oil systematically increases blood levels "bad cholesterol "(LDL)

Huh?
1. Cholesterol comes from the foods we eat, and it is produced by our body from saturated fats
2. According to nutritionist studies, palmitic acid, this type of fat, is the majority of saturated fats in palm oil. particularly stimulates an increase in blood cholesterol, and that on this indicator palm oil definitely worse than creamy.
3. One tablespoon of palm oil contains 6.7 grams of saturated fat.
University of Maryland Medical Center says diets high in saturated fats can lead to high cholesterol and plaque formation in arteries. Over time, this can lead to a heart attack or stroke.

[Piramidon]

Quote: opus

and I / WHO said / wrote that PM contains cholesterol? what?

Not in their own words, but they spoke, collecting negative articles and attaching broken clots to them.

[AU Ivanov.]

It's okay that the palm does not contain cholesterol from the word "in general" - it is found only in animal products. And you get atherosclerosis faster from eating pure butter or lard.

[opus]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And you will get atherosclerosis faster from eating pure butter or lard.

1. At the expense of creamy, not true. I AM above wrote. Fat is generally good (according to the latest recommendations of the party and government)
2. About the dangers of PM. I understand biology / dietetics like this:
-we never ate it, and lived happily, and we do not look like Malaysians / Indonesians. They are terribly painful.
- there are no special monkeys: Russian, American, Chinese or African (unless there are specific inUkrainian monkeys, from which exclusively descended inUkrainians) The essence of everything came from the same monkey (except for Ukarintsev, essno).
Further settled:
- influence on the genome was provided by:
-radiation of soil / water
-chemical composition (mineralization) of water
Gravity (depends on geographic coordinates)
-solar radiation
-and (!) THE BIGGEST INFLUENCE = what our ancestors ate.
and so it turned out

There were neither yellow nor black nor narrow-eyed monkeys.
And our ancestors definitely did not eat palm oil. therefore, they do not look like this:

[AU Ivanov.]

Oil palm trees were introduced into Malaysia only in the second half of the 19th century, and palm oil (if that could be) could have no effect on their eye shape. Oil palm trees were cultivated with in ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia - that is, in the cradle of human civilization.

[opus]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Oil palm trees were cultivated with in ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia.

I know we read Wikipedia too.
But that is not the point.
/ I do not mind if you want to: eat for your own health and your children yourself, according to your own decision, feed.
Of course you and your children will not look like Malaysians or Mesopotamians. Right away. Probably
================================================== =
So I don’t need to feed my children to them in any form: milk, cottage cheese, cheese, ice cream, etc.
I'd rather get butter poisoning that it’s made from cow’s milk ... damn it just now bought in neighboring Finland.

[AU Ivanov.]

You think that the hormones and antibiotics that are fed to cows are less harmful than vegetable oils. Yes, there are environmentally friendly products in Europe, but at a completely different price.

[opus]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

You think that the hormones and antibiotics that are fed to cows are less harmful than vegetable oils

1.Not vegetable oils, in general: I have nothing against sunflower, olive, corn
2.1.In Russia, growth stimulants and feed additives that stimulate growth are prohibited.

in 2014 (I don’t know now), only two American enterprises had the right to supply pork, and none had the right to supply beef, because they use ractopamine, a feed supplement that stimulates the growth of muscle tissue, not fat.
Australia has no right to supply us with meat, as growth hormone (trenbolone) has been repeatedly found in their beef

We ourselves do not produce hormones, in fact, but it’s expensive to buy for the currency, our live-swallows will strangle themselves.
Miratorg "This is our country" (yes, this is definitely THEIR COUNTRY) meat is disgusting, once we tried it we don't take it anymore
2.2. According to the Technical Regulation “On Food Safety” and SanPiN 2.3.2.1078-01 “Hygienic Requirements for Food Safety and Nutrition Value” the concentration should not exceed 0,01 mg / kg

The average therapeutic concentration of, for example, tetracycline is 10 milligrams per kilogram of weight. Therefore, a 100-gram steak can contain no more than 1 milligram of tetracycline
We look SanPiN 2.3.2.1078-01 and we go crazy
> 1 mg / 100 g = 0 mg / kg horror
but we get this if: fed a cow or chicken with an antibiotic until the very last minute, and in the process of cooking, tetracycline is at least partially not destroyed and completely absorbed in the intestines.

BUT:
Cooking meat for 3 hours reduces the antibiotic content by 90%.
At the same time, 20% of antibiotics are destroyed, and 70% goes into the broth.
For this reason, housewives must remove the foam when cooking meat or even drain the first broth.
Washing or freezing meat reduces the content of antibiotics by 20-25%.

tetracycline and other antibiotics are in the list of dietary supplements E700 - E799 (just watch what you buy)

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Yes, there are environmentally friendly products in Europe, but at a completely different price

And we have environmentally friendly products. and not so expensive.
eat less and the price will be the same. we just eat fantastically a lot and throw it away in the trash under 40% of the purchased.
Adjust your life position and will be enough for organic products ..

[AU Ivanov.]

I don’t know how these prohibitions are implemented, but my cousin, a farmer, grows his pigs on growth hormones. Yes, and many dairy farms indulge in hormones that increase lactation. Egg production of chickens is increased by estradiols (sex hormone). There is such a drug - ovocin.

[Ingvar 72]

Pork is now all hormonal, that's right.

[opus]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Pork is now all hormonal, that's right.

1. Pork is not very good meat, I like lamb more. Although fat, I, like inUkranets, can consume, if it is good, of course.

2. Muhammad was not in vain forbidden to eat pork, the far-sighted Arab was

-after the food reform in Germany, there have been many cases of urticaria in older women, slightly less in children with pork. At the same time, Apis D12, Sulfur D30 improved their condition.
causes of cancer growth in 60-70 year old patients during the food reform period in Germany
- influenza virus, which, according to the virologist prof. Shore, dwells in pig’s lungs in summer and almost always occurs in sausage
- a connection was established between the purchase of Canadian canned pork in November in Germany and the onset of an influenza epidemic or the winter consumption of cooked pork at home in January-February and the onset of an epidemic.

there is no flu epidemic in the Muslim world because they don’t use pork for food unless ... if they don’t eat horse meat!
and isho:
pig is very similar to humans (anatomy, behavior and taste)
Criminals organizers of massacres Hamann and Kurten processed human meat was sold for sausages, passing it off as pork, since differences in taste were almost impossible to establish.

[SSR]

Quote: opus

Have you mutated yet?
Threat. my grandparents and great b / d and parents did not know what palm oil is,

Well, Kamrad, it’s not worth it in one heap.)))
Mutate from a natural product? My great-grandfather did not know potatoes and tomatoes. So this is not an indicator. As they say, the benefit or poison depends on the size of the dose and on human greed, little is written about the harmful Margarine.
I just wanted to note that it is generally harmful to eat semi-finished products and that “butter” is far from taking the lead in harmfulness!
Personally, I am against any glutamates, "blue" collers that are added to lemonade and indicate what can affect the loss of attention. Regarding the so-called WHO report, if I understand correctly, the report has not yet been published and a "draft" is being discussed.
1. Personally, I am for reducing the consumption of palm trees, if only because they cut down the jungle under these palm trees.
2. Remember how "Greenpeace" thundered at one time that he pulled out his tongue, there are no orders to see.
3. Historical fact.

Recently, documents have been published proving that sugar industry representatives influenced research results. It turns out that the nutritional recommendations that many of us listen to may not be right.

As recent documents show Cristin E. Kearns, Laura A. Schmidt, Stanton A. Glantz. Sugar Industry And Coronary Heart Disease Research. A Historical Analysis Of Internal Industry Documents. , in the 60s of the XNUMXth century, representatives of the sugar industry paid scientists to question the harmful effects of sugar on heart function and find a new scapegoat - saturated fats.

More than 50 years have passed and now sweet sugar is recognized as harmful (but again, yes, it matters in quantity).
PS.
I am for constructive criticism))) Sorry, some words the phone itself replaces the infection.

[AU Ivanov.]

And you're wrong about glutamate. Glutamate, of natural origin, is found in meat, moreover, it gives it a "meaty" taste. Artificially, glutamates are obtained from soybeans.

[opus]

Quote from S.S.R.

Mutate from a natural product? My great-grandfather did not know potatoes and tomatoes. So this is not an indicator

1. Natural you buy in Thailand / Indonesia-Malaysia. Red such a bottle
2. Elaeis guineensis - yes, natural, palm, as you know the grass. but you do not eat a palm tree?
3. Do you know how many pickled potatoes and tomatoes were when they were introduced? ate from the wrong side.
and yet potatoes and tomatoes, in chemical composition, in fiber, are no different from cabbage / radish / beet. This is what our people have always eaten. and palm oil?
4. Something your great-grandfather is painfully long-lived, since I found Peter 1!
5. You can also mutate with tobacco- IT'S ALSO A NATURAL PRODUCT

People who smoke 20 cigarettes a day "acquire" about 150 mutations in lung cells per year, 97 in laryngeal cells, 39 in pharyngeal cells, 18 in bladder cells, and six mutations are formed in liver cells

Quote from S.S.R.

Personally, I am against any glutamates, "blue" collers that are added to lemonade and

I AM AGAINST PALM OIL STILL

Quote from S.S.R.

More than 50 years have passed and now sweet sugar is recognized as harmful

And I always found him harmful. If you don’t go hiking in the mountains, for your two and have limited luggage ... you don’t need a sugar-containing product

Quote from S.S.R.

I am for constructive criticism))) Sorry, some words the phone itself replaces the infection.

and I
at the same hand hooks

[SSR]

Quote: opus

4. Something your great-grandfather is painfully long-lived, since I found Peter 1!

Kamrad))) and Peter first introduced the product all over the continent ?!

Quote: opus

and yet potatoes and tomatoes, in chemical composition, in fiber, are no different from cabbage / radish / beet. This is what our people have always eaten. and palm oil?

I begin to suspect that this is an oil with the scorpion genome))
PS.
Robots, in the kernel of apricot and almond, there is hydrocyanic acid.
I’m waiting for a ban from WHO, I’m afraid I won’t wait for thousands of hectares of forest to be cut under apricots and almonds.

[opus]

Quote from S.S.R.

and Peter first introduced the product all over the continent ?!

for the sake of interest (not self-interest) for the sake of: what is your region, what potatoes and tomatoes got there in ???? year? (probably around 1908-1914 / judging by my great-grandfathers)

Quote from S.S.R.

Waiting for a ban from WHO,

- and they (bones) are eaten, replaced by them "natural product"?
-in Uzbekistan traditionally eat these bones. Just like in many other countries where apricots grow.
-amigdalin is in buckwheat, millet, beans and flax.
In general, winemaking from the grape varieties Isabella, Lydia and peers was banned in the United States and EU countries due to the high methanol content.
We are not here and this is a favorite grape variety in the south of Russia, Moldova and Ukraine.
---- This has no relation to palm oil. I repeat: eat.
I do not want

[SSR]

Quote: opus

what is your region that potatoes and tomatoes got there in ???? year? (

Central Asia, it was about 1918-1924, it was))) tomatoes were sort of called shaitan-tash.

Quote: opus

Uzbekistan traditionally eat these bones.

Yes I know.)))
It's just in the context of the fact that I do not trust everyone with WHO, IOC, etc. It is enough to recall how one trickster spoke something and ours were expelled under the root. Our trial in Lausanne passed and the IOC, under pressure, still did not let them go.
It’s just that if they want something not to grow cotton in Uzbekistan, engaged structures will find something to dig into.

[opus]

Quote from S.S.R.

It's just in the context of the fact that I do not trust everyone with WHO, IOC, etc.

and I do not trust "our" government, from the word at all.
and I don’t trust my city:

because j [etkb completely

and he (the uglepok) did not just "utter" it, Sour and Nightingale gave us this "simplistic". But everything is more complicated. the same as with the ships Naftogaz vs "national treasure" (someone's)

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

And when will we get away from exchanging precious metals for cheap glass?

[Grandfather]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

And when will we get away from exchanging precious metals for cheap glass?

"minibuses" are more important to someone.

[bessmertniy]

It is surprising that an Asian tiger country cannot offer more interesting barter than palm oil. Perhaps cheap Malaysian electronics would be more appropriate.

[WIKI]

We are given conditions. We set our own conditions. Each comes from its own benefit. "Russia will sell the fourth generation Su-35 fighter to Turkey, provided that the country buys the fifth generation Su-57 fighter" - Viktor Kladov, Director for International Cooperation of Rostec. Effective managers have it all.

[knn54]

It’s good that there is no palm oil in Turkey ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: WIKI

"Russia will sell to Turkey a fourth-generation Su-35 fighter, provided the country buys a fifth-generation Su-57 fighter."

one, or the whole batch? all 15 promised by the end of the year?

[nPuBaTuP]

About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported

If you ask the inhabitants of Russia, they are not ready to eat palm oil

[Pilat2009]

And you have to. And the salary will also be given in oil

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pilat2009

And you have to. And the salary will also be given in oil

Not creamy, but palm. And how beautiful it sounds, paalmovoe.

[yang174]

not ready, but what for it is not needed in principle in the products

[comradChe]

And this same one, like him, yes, yes, the people, anyone ever heard ??? I remember once asked, but they took an opinion ... I don’t care. And the people didn’t asked. And shit ... m oh how I liked it, just horror !!! So, what a boom to eat, boom, boom !!!

[G. Georgiev]

Never take palm oil. This is poison for the body and blood ... this is the most stupid thing. You must write to the Ministry of Defense so as not to import palm oil !!!

[Constructor68]

Never take palm oil. This is poison for the body and blood ... this is the most stupid thing

The stupid thing is what you write. Firstly, Moscow Region does not buy or export oil. And secondly, do not want to consume palm oil - do not buy spreads and other products with this substitute.

[Inokenty]

The stupid thing is what you write. Firstly, Moscow Region does not buy or export oil. And secondly, Do not want to consume palm oil - do not buy spreads and other products with this substitute.

Go to any store in Russia - 95% baking on palm oil, which is unhealthy! Where vegetable oils are written and which are not indicated, this is palm oil. And where to go - the stove itself? Vladimir15 is right in this case! And they hid all their languages ​​- Onishchenko and other hangers-on. Shame on Russia - poisoning your citizens! Here I go and choose pastries in stores. It is good that they (the manufacturers) were forced to write the content of the products, otherwise they did not do this before ...

[Constructor68]

Well, do not buy pastries in the store! Fools are always struck who, like those hedgehogs, pricked, cried, but continued to eat the cactus. In addition, in baking shops, it’s more frightening not palm oil, but margarine, in which internal cow fat is added instead of animal oil! That's what is really DANGEROUS. But not one of you crows that you need to withdraw the margarine from the sale and destroy the cows!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Designer 68

and destroy the cows!

so there are several times less of them than "dairy" products. where is so much milk from?

[Elturisto]

And what is the problem with cow fat, enlighten?

[We_smart]

Apparently Constructor69 believes the labels appearing in chain stores on the price tags that the product is BZMZh's Dairy-Free Fat Substitute, or in other versions, and is deeply convinced that buying such milk he eats just milk.

[Constructor68]

that the product is BZMZH's Dairy-Free Fat Substitute, or in other variants, and I am deeply convinced that having bought such milk he eats just milk.

And why is this statement born evident by serious attempts at mental activity?

[AU Ivanov.]

At all times, at present, at least in the Soviet Union, margarine was used for baking. No matter what kind of oil margarine is made of - even olive oil - it’s poison.

[Potato]

do not buy spreads and other products with this substitute

Bakery products are almost all palm kernel. A lot of dairy too. And a pastry shop. You yourself know that it is very cheap and the temptation to replace it with other fats in the food industry is extremely great to reduce costs. I just want to eat like that, there’s always no time, and in the store it’s hard not to find products without a palm tree ...

[Constructor68]

You yourself know that it is very cheap and the temptation to replace it with other fats in the food industry is extremely great to reduce costs.

What is going on in your head ??? That is, the product is to blame for you, and not the company, that violates either GOST (TU) or the law when it does not indicate the PM in the product? And then let's destroy the knives, because it’s not the killers who blame them, but the knives.

[Constructor68]

And you can also ban rapeseed as a culture! After all, rapeseed oil is no less often used as a substitute for both animal fats and high-quality vegetable fats. And rapeseed oil has exactly the same "usefulness" as palm oil. Let's scribble petitions, they say, pour defoliants on all rapeseed crops, burn them with napalm, and put farmers under an article for sabotage

[Potato]

About margarine and rapeseed - almost all the fats used in the food industry are harmful, since they are carcinogenic. Food from the store is a priori cheap and unhealthy food ... It’s better to cook it yourself, of course.

But there are people who are unable to cook for themselves. And they should have a choice and the ability to quickly have a meal without cooking for themselves, while not suffering much in finances and without risking their health. I think that this should be an integral part of the rights of citizens of our country - it is neither expensive nor harmful to eat.

Namely, I do not want to compare palm kernel oil with either margarine, rapeseed oil, and so on. Which of them is more harmful, I do not know. But I know that cold pressed vegetable oils and ordinary butter are not only not harmful, but even useful. But very expensive ...

[polar fox]

Quote: Potato

But I know that cold pressed vegetable oils and ordinary butter are not only not harmful, but even useful. But very expensive ...

og ... so every year we don’t know where to put it ... reluctantly take it. liter from 80r (from greed sold-outbid) ... creamy from the farm, from 360 per kg ... but rape-sunflower-on cheers diverge! for the same money. market, however.

[AU Ivanov.]

Unfortunately, cold pressing is rarely used in oil production. And refined oils are about the same in their chemical composition. Butter and other animal fats are good for you, but in small amounts, they are a source of "bad" cholesterol.

[polar fox]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Unfortunately, cold pressing is not used in the manufacture of oil.

Yes, a lot of it is used ... only Muscovabad hands pull their grabbers everywhere and try to squeeze out everything that is possible. They squeezed it out. They are tired of beating our butter churn.

[Potato]

Is that something in your head? Where did I write that the oil is to blame, that it is cheap? Only a schizophrenic can make such a conclusion from the text I wrote.

Guilty are those who succumb to the temptation to gradually replace all the fats in the food industry with a cheap palm kernel in order to increase their profits. That's all.

In general, the state is the main regulator of many processes in the country. But the state is gradually moving away from regulation and control in the food industry. Just recently, it decided to abolish several thousand standards for production in the food industry, supposedly to facilitate the development of the food industry and business. So business has become easier, here I agree. But it should be noted that without standards for food production, business would be generally good. But it would be generally bad for the consumer ...

We need to seek balance everywhere, and not lobby for business interests.

[Constructor68]

In general, the state is the main regulator of many processes in the country. But the state is gradually moving away from regulation and control in the food industry.

In general, the problem of VO is that there are a lot of commentators who don’t know anything, but love to make such statements. Read the MPT Resolution # 50 of 28.01.19/XNUMX/XNUMX and do not write nonsense anymore. All the best on the soil of palm senility

[Potato]

I will definitely get acquainted. Thank. But it can be big and long.

Why should a consumer study government documents and regulations before going to the store? Why don't people explain in simple words what this resolution is and why it is needed? Our government is not used to reporting to citizens for their work in a simple and intelligible language. This is definitely bad.

At the consumer, in the store who takes a packet of cookies or a box of chocolates from the shelf, and reads the composition, where palm oil is most often indicated, there is simply a mistrust in the work of the government and in government decrees and decrees.

It is necessary to use the power of the media not for stupid talk shows and immorality, but for lighting and detailing the work of the government and the authorities. That's what would help, I think. The government must report to the people!

[Ka-52]

Why should a consumer study government documents and regulations before going to the store? Why don't people explain in simple words what this resolution is and why it is needed? Our government is not used to reporting to citizens for their work in a simple and intelligible language. This is definitely bad.

baby talk. What does the government have to do with it and why does the consumer get acquainted with the decree? This should be known and carried out by a) the manufacturer, b) the seller. And Rospotrebnadzor should follow. Do not grind nonsense

[Potato]

That you do not grind nonsense. By your strange logic, everything is fine, and the government can accept and do anything. A respected Designer sent me to get acquainted with the order and the government. In the government of lobbyists, the interests of producers and sellers are full. They will think up and accept anything in a narrow circle, and it doesn’t concern us? Oh well. Only here on the shelves are goods without palm kernel oil - go find!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Potato

I will definitely get acquainted. Thank. But it can be big and long

It is much shorter than the sheet you rolled there. Here, study:

The Government of the Russian Federation decides:
1. To supplement the Rules for the sale of certain types of goods approved by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of January 19, 1998 N 55 ..., clause 33 (1) of the following content:

"33 (1). In the trading floor or other point of sale, the placement (display) of dairy, dairy compound and milk-containing products should be carried out in a way that visually separates these products from other food products, and be accompanied by an information inscription"Products without milk fat substitute"."
2. This resolution shall enter into force on July 1, 2019.

 Reference

http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_316817/

Oh, that's not lucky again "Antoshka"

[Potato]

So I did not write to him about this. And about it: Medvedev canceled 20000 standards of the USSR:
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2734307.html

And he told me that dairy products should be labeled in the store as with non-palm kernel oil. He threw it away about the shops and ran away ...

By the way, we do not do this in a small shop.

[Inokenty]

Quote: Designer 68

What is going on in your head ??? That is, the product is to blame for you, and not the company, that violates either GOST (TU) or the law when it does not indicate the PM in the product? And then let's destroy the knives, because it’s not the killers who blame them, but the knives.

Constructor 68 (Aviator), not the product and the enterprise and the government of RussiaWhich has not banned the use of palm oil and allows businesses to profit to the health of Russian citizens ... In general, where are public organizations, where is the chief sanitary doctor of Russia and others? Sneakers and those in palm oil and not only them!

[Constructor68]

For those who do not like to read, but like to chat, the same reference to Decree # 50. Read before poking the keyboard. By the way, have you already written a petition to ban rape landings? Or ban margarine?

[Ka-52]

Constructor 68 (Aviator), it was not the product and the enterprise that was to blame, but the Russian government, which did not prohibit the use of palm oil and allows enterprises to cash in on the health of Russian citizens ... In general, where are the public organizations, where is the chief sanitary doctor of Russia and others? Sneakers and those in palm oil and not only them!

you write frank stupidity. Palm oil is not poison and is a common food product. The main problem with palm oil is that unscrupulous manufacturers use it as substitutes for natural milk fats and quality vegetable oilswithout indicating the composition of the product on the label. The state has approved standards for designing the composition of the product, this is determined by law. And GOST even has a clear description of HOW, WHERE and WHAT is indicated. There is a decree of the Ministry of Industry and Trade on how products with substitutes for animal fats should be sold. The fact that you don't know about it is your personal problem. It turns out that the main problem lies not in the oil itself, but in the falsifications. Those who essentially fake products are breaking the law! And you, as always, write nonsense just to arrange a rally. All of you are to blame, except for those who are really guilty.

[Inokenty]

But it all began with such a "trifle" - increased use of palm oil. Even the defenders of this product alien to us cannot dispute these facts - after all, the ability of palmitic acid to enhance cholesterol generation has been recognized by the scientific community! So they have to embarrassedly argue that "other oils are also worse." Like, the use of other vegetable fats also helps to increase cholesterol - and this is not true.

It is the use of palm oil (especially hydrogenated oil, which is found in most products) that leads to clogging of blood vessels, the appearance of plaques, and blockage of veins and arteries. The result is atherosclerosis, blood clots, an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks.

So if you want to live to old age, think about reducing the use of palm oil. Because heart disease can cause an irreversible blow to health at a very flourishing age. A person may not even suspect that he has problems until a blood clot a little larger than a grain of sand comes off and rushes towards the heart valve. Take care of yourself!

Unfortunately, the health effects of palm oil are not limited to cardiovascular problems. It is not well digested by the digestive system and is absorbed by our body. As a result, slags accumulate; toxins appear during decomposition of incompletely split product components. The presence of a large proportion of "bad" saturated fats in the product increases the likelihood of cancer - this is the second scourge of our society after heart disease.

It is important to note that the use of palm oil at first almost does not affect the well-being of a person. He simply does not notice that his pressure is gradually increasing, his appetite is deteriorating, his working capacity is declining, and various problems are accumulating. And if he notices, he writes off everything to stress and workload at work. And then it may be too late. They don’t joke with heart diseases, as well as with oncology!

But the dangers due to palm oil lie in wait not only for people of age, but also for the smallest of us.

https://www.oum.ru/literature/zdorovje/vred-palmovogo-masla-dlya-zdorovya-cheloveka/

[Ka-52]

But the dangers due to palm oil lie in wait not only for people of age, but also for the smallest of us.

such "expert" statements are written by the tons every year. Moreover, what is served as a panacea today is declared a deadly poison tomorrow. It was written above to you in human language - margarine is at times more harmful than palm oil. But no one shouts about it at every step.
I saw similar delusional writings when there was a discussion of GMO products. Everyone yells that they are harmful, but no one has yet scientifically proven that GMO foods are harmful. There is no long-term research program, no credible tests from specialized laboratories. There is nothing. But there are statements from a bunch of "experts" cited by all sorts of distributors, like you.

It is the use of palm oil (especially hydrogenated oil, which is found in most products) that leads to clogging of blood vessels, the appearance of plaques, and blockage of veins and arteries. The result is atherosclerosis, blood clots, an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks.

you quote nonsense. Since cholesterol, deposited on the walls of blood vessels in the form of cholesterol plaques, is completely absent in ANY VEGETABLE OILS

[AU Ivanov.]

Palm oil in its pure form is no worse than sunflower. Trans fats are harmful to humans (these include margarine, which we have been stuffed with since the middle of the 20th century). Moreover, these trans fats are harmful regardless of the source of raw materials: even palm or olive.

[Sergej1972]

In St. Petersburg, for example, margarine was produced and sold in the last quarter of the 19th century, judging by the materials of Russian pre-revolutionary newspapers and magazines.

[AU Ivanov.]

Thank you, I didn’t. I thought that the surrogation of food came from the USSR.

[Tony]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Palm oil in its pure form is no worse than sunflower.

AS Ivanov. (Andrey), don’t write a lie, but watch Arkady Mamontov’s films about the harm of palm oil that they feed us. In Europe (Germany), Russian oil is not even taken for processing ... https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = KqDy4Ia1Ryc

[AU Ivanov.]

I do not watch DT, especially the films of engaged journalists. I operate with completely confirmed scientific facts. And the spouse of KMN, the endocrinologist, will not let me lie.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Designer 68

violating either GOST (

what? what GOST ...

[Constructor68]

There is such a thing as GOST R. Chavokate further

[tihonmarine]

Quote: G. Georgiev

You must write to the Ministry of Defense so as not to import palm oil !!!

And whoever will listen to us.

[signifera]

And give this oil a salary to the figures who will conduct such a deal.

[Potato]

We give them weapons, and they give us palm-nuclear chemical weapons. Normal such interchange)))

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Aha, to weapons of mass destruction!

[tihonmarine]

About whether Russia is ready to go for an exchange with Malaysia with a surcharge of palm oil, not yet reported.

How much of this palm oil will be delivered! Only in a terrible thing can this be dreamed of.

[Constructor68]

How much of this palm oil will be delivered! Only in a terrible thing can this be dreamed of.

For those who rarely use brains, of course it's scary))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Designer 68

For those who rarely use brains, of course it's scary

Please eat for health, I give my portion to you. Maybe others will share?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Designer 68

For those who rarely use brains, of course it's scary))

Here I am looking at you, and I want to ask - what do you want to say with your helluva lot of "smart" comments? That palm oil is not so harmful, or that the producers are guilty (because they do not write the presence of it on the label), or the end consumers who are lazy to read this label?
Then, following your train of thought, it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

[Constructor68]

Then, following your train of thought, it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

This "logical" reasoning indicates a clear problem with your thinking. And most likely palm oil is not to blame. And something more vigorous, such as spice. In general, any manufacturer of PP, before releasing a product for sale, must provide a whole package of documents. The main ones are the sanitary and epidemiological conclusion of Rospotrebnadzor, a quality certificate for products, a certificate of conformity for components. If the products are not manufactured according to GOST, then TU is written, which again describes the entire technological chain. And no certification body will issue a GOST R certificate if at least one requirement is violated. And you babble about some kind of ban. Go to school already, don't skip your lessons

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Designer 68

And something more vigorous, such as spice.

As usual - if the "processor" itself is weak, you need to blame the other. Without transitions to the person in any way?

Quote: Designer 68

then spelled TU

And under this TU everything is put into the product in a row.
In essence, my question about palm oil answer?

[Constructor68]

And under this TU everything is put in a product in a row

it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

Yes, specify dioxin as a dietary supplement in your baking and go on to certify it. It’s not only the spice that shows you ideas.

[Ingvar 72]

Essentially weak again?

[Constructor68]

Essentially weak again?

Essentially what? Is palm oil harmful? Many products are beneficial or harmful depending on the amount of consumption. The same sugar or salt. Where are the cries of the fighters about the fight against sugar beets? or the egg is a champion in cholesterol - down with chicken and mayonnaise combined! Margarine - the champion in the maintenance of trans fats - not too much your crowing about banning margarine. There are tons of evidence of harm above the above products, sad statistics on mortality, but this is all for you for nothing. All the scribbles in this pablos simply saw the podium for the next stupid statements about anything. Moreover, the funny thing is that even there is no deal itself, there is only a proposal. But this talker doesn’t stop crowing as if this palm oil is already on your tables

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Designer 68

The same sugar or salt.

Salt and sugar are not prohibited in Europe, right?

[Constructor68]

I would be grateful if you provide a link to the legislative act banning the sale of salt and sugar, as well as products with their use, in any European country. I hope you do not merge into silence now

[Ingvar 72]

You are familiar with the concept logic? From the essence of your top comment, we can conclude that it is not the palm oil itself, but the dose of its consumption. Then you drew a parallel with salt and sugar. In Europe, salt and sugar are not prohibited (any fool knows ), but palm oil was banned there.
So I want to ask you - do you consider yourself smarter than scientists, on the basis of which palm oil was banned in Europe?

[Constructor68]

Are you familiar with the concept of logic? From the essence of your top comment, we can conclude that it is not the palm oil itself, but the dose of its consumption. Then you drew a parallel with salt and sugar. In Europe, salt and sugar are not prohibited (any fool knows wink), but palm oil was banned there.
So I want to ask you - do you consider yourself smarter than scientists, on the basis of which palm oil was banned in Europe? belay

You are not only not familiar with the concept of "logic", but you are also doing some silly profonation. USA is the largest consumer of palm oil. So I want to ask you - do you consider yourself smarter than the scientists of the country with the most advanced scientific research base in the world? And who have NOT banned the consumption of palm oil

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Designer 68

And which did NOT ban palm oil consumption

Those. in Germany, France, Italy fools?

[Constructor68]

Those. in Germany, France, Italy fools?

That is, fools in the USA? Finish verbiage to do. Here and so heaped up balabolov of any nonsense. To the delight of the admins who posted this stupid and stupid post.

[Ingvar 72]

You are engaged in verbiage, but I rely on facts. And they are that the EU has banned the use of PM in the food industry. And it was forbidden not just like that, but on the basis of scientific research.
Regarding why PM is not prohibited in the USA, I have no answers, only speculations. Like you, however.

[AU Ivanov.]

In Europe, no one has banned palm oil; the ban applies only to the production of trans fats. And from any kind of oil and from sunflower oil including - they are really harmful, regardless of the raw materials from which they are obtained.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Nobody forbade palm oil in Europe,

Come on?

Indonesian President Joko Widodo said he was not worried about the ban on the Indonesian palm oil from the European Union (EU).

Indonesian president doesn’t know something?
Andrei, let's be objective - oil is not prohibited in the EU, it can be used as fuel, but it was banned to use in the food industry. Because when heated, trans fats are formed in it tens of times than in the same sunflower.

[AU Ivanov.]

The amount of trans fats does not depend on the type of raw material, but on the technology for its production. The properties of trans fats are exactly the same, they are obtained from palm, sunflower or corn - it does not matter. It does not matter what gasoline is made of from oil or from gas condensate.

[Ingvar 72]

Alcohol can be made from grain, or it can be made from wood and oil. Which do you prefer?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Which do you prefer?

Man, the quality of alcohol depends only on the degree of purification. All the rest - baloney

C2H5OH - he is in Africa "OH"

[AU Ivanov.]

If the alcohol is properly cleaned, then it makes no difference. C2H5OH from which do not get - it's alcohol. And so - from ethylene gas, there are no fusel oils or methanol in it.

[We_smart]

Where is his logic from? He has only mental attempts. He is about the Form, and he is about Yerema.

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Designer 68

Essentially weak again?

Essentially what? Is palm oil harmful? Many products are beneficial or harmful depending on the amount of consumption. The same sugar or salt. Where are the cries of the fighters about the fight against sugar beets? or the egg is a champion in cholesterol - down with chicken and mayonnaise combined! Margarine - the champion in the maintenance of trans fats - not too much your crowing about banning margarine. There are tons of evidence of harm above the above products, sad statistics on mortality, but this is all for you for nothing. All the scribbles in this pablos simply saw the podium for the next stupid statements about anything. Moreover, the funny thing is that even there is no deal itself, there is only a proposal. But this talker doesn’t stop crowing as if this palm oil is already on your tables

Constructor, one hundred to you, my friend, as well as a thousand that I decided to calm down this troll.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And under this TU everything is put into the product in a row.
In essence, my question about palm oil answer?

Where TU, sculpt everything, cottage cheese and cheese without milk, etc. And the people also protect the "palmachi". What happened to the people.

[AU Ivanov.]

There will be no palm oil - they will add rapeseed or sunflower to the foodstuff instead. The effect will be the same. Trans fat is trans fat.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The effect will be the same. Trans fat is trans fat.

The effect is different.

[AU Ivanov.]

The effect will be different. Products will become more expensive, with the same degree of impact on the body.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Then, following your train of thought, it is worth resolving absolutely the entire prohibition by marking it on the label.

By cons exposed to you, I realized people want palm oil. (put +)

[Constructor68]

By cons exposed to you, I realized people want palm oil. (put +)

On the downside, it is clear that there are those who reasonably and objectively look at the situation. And does not write nonsense like you. You have picked this "problem" out of your nose and now contemplate with a thoughtful air, making lofty statements

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Designer 68

By cons, it’s clear that there are those who reasonably and objectively look at the situation.

Well, clearly, you mean a small "candle factory" producing cottage cheese and cheese from palm oil. And you look at the use of this oil in Russia "realistically" as a respectable private businessman who wants the "fat cats" to have more money, but the common people and their health do not interest you. I do not understand your position, a person with foam at the mouth, proving the "benefits" of palm oil. RUSSIA can do without palm oil.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

I do not understand your position, a person with foam at the mouth, proving the "benefits" of palm oil

Someone clearly bit you. Point out where the comrade is. Constructor68 "proves the benefits of palm oil."

Quote: tihonmarine

RUSSIA can do without palm oil

Even during the USSR, this oil went into the confectionery (and not only). They ate and did not buzz. And on margarine, potatoes and other things were fried, and also they were not buzzing.

Somehow

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Even during the USSR, this oil went into the confectionery (and not only). They ate and did not buzz. And on margarine fried potatoes and stuff, and also - did not buzz

Under the USSR in 1964, there were 300 grams per capita, and in 2018 it was 7,2 kilograms. It's not about quantity and import. Correctly they say they will import, capitalism has no place to go. It is clearly seen here, you do not need to be some kind of economist, to be an expert, that some part of the money for the planes is paid by the "palm tree". The money does not go towards the creation of the same NK-93 aircraft engines, the acquisition of the necessary, but not produced in Russia, machine tools, but goes towards the purchase of a "palm tree" (or rather, "a palm tree" is paid.) I think that it came to you - they pay "a palm tree" ". "Palma" goes already to businessmen (not to everyone, but to the elite) and those at their private enterprises produce chocolates, cheeses, baby food and at the expense of the state (at your expense) get themselves a good profit. "Fat cats" get fat, and many even on our site protect them. Enjoy your meal.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

Under the USSR, in 1964, there were 300 grams per capita, and in 2018, 7,2 kilograms

1. It is proposed to take a word?
2. Information "about nothing" without clear detail - what exactly was imported ("oil", as you probably already understood - it can be different), and where exactly it all went.

Quote: tihonmarine

It’s not a matter of quantity and import

Oh how! That is, you wrote about the amount in vain?

Quote: tihonmarine

some part of the money for the planes is paid by the "palm tree"

Let's say so. Palm is traded on the stock exchange and costs money. How do you know that it is generally imported, and not sold somewhere "there," without ever getting to the Russian Federation? That's right ... you have nowhere to know. And everything else is just what you read on the Internet. In "patriotic" blazers.

Quote: tihonmarine

"palm trees" (or rather "palm trees" are paid.) I think that it came to you - they pay "palm trees". "Palm"

The fact that you repeat "palm tree" a hundred times does not become more convincing. Questions above, you can - answer.

Quote: tihonmarine

"Fat cats" get fat, and many even on our site protect

I have not seen a single "defending" yet. But I clearly see problems with the logic of loudly yelling "guards". Here's how you, for example. Again:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: tihonmarine

I do not understand your position, a person with foam at the mouth, proving the "benefits" of palm oil

Show with your finger where Comrade Constructor68 "proves the benefits of palm oil"

Forward to the mines

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Golovan Jack

It is proposed to take a word?

Naturally, you can't take anyone's word for it. Read "Foreign trade of the USSR in 1964." Statistical overview. Publishing house VTI 1964

I have not seen a single "defending" yet. But I clearly see problems with the logic of loudly yelling "guards". Here's how you, for example.

I have nothing to shout a guard, "I do not live in Russia. I write what I have. You like the" palm "eat.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

Read "Foreign trade of the USSR in 1964."

Are there numbers for 2018? My doubts.

Once again, it suddenly comes:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Information "about nothing" without clear detail - what exactly was imported ("oil", as you probably already understood - it can be different), and where exactly it all went

Anderstend?

Quote: tihonmarine

I don’t live in Russia

So it’s interesting to me - but what is it that a resident of sunny Spratia was so concerned about my healthy diet? Strange, weird ...

Quote: tihonmarine

I write what is

Nah ... at best - you write what you it seems right. In the absence of even the rudiments of logic, you write vulgar nonsense.

Somehow

[sagitch]

And how much they have already delivered, in payment for those delivered Sushki ... Where did it come from in Russia, a deal of the century, we are the fighters of the last generation, they don’t need palm oil to anyone. Here the country still laughs over Russia ...

[Gvardeetz77]

Well, why, all right! Only natural exchange, since money is easier to steal, but try to steal a few tons of palm oil and bury it in the garden of your palace or in a foreign villa. And then Vietnam for rice, India for tea, African countries, well, just for the thanks!

[Ru_Na]

They would have offered coconuts! Malaysia is the third economy of the countries of Southeast Asia, they must have the means, in the end we do not live in the Stone Age!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Ru_Na

They would have offered coconuts! Malaysia is the third economy of the countries of Southeast Asia, they must have the means, in the end we do not live in the Stone Age!

we are apparently not people at all for them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ru_Na

Malaysia is the third economy of the countries of Southeast Asia, they must have funds

There is money, but the "illiquid assets" need to be injected. Uncle Sam's nephews don't eat palm oil, and Europe doesn't really like him.

[AU Ivanov.]

Uncle Sam's nephews are eating a poorer product - peanut butter, and they won’t even turn off his palm nose. And Europe is not far behind them.

[Livonetc]

Over the past few weeks, the price of palm oil in Malaysia has grown in the world market by 27%.
In principle, food prices will only rise.
As an illustration, China and India are almost three billion mouths.
As for the usefulness of the harmfulness of palm oil, the question is which palm oil will be supplied.
And the goods are quite liquid.
The question of bargaining, how many and what quality to demand in exchange for our products.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Livonetc

In principle, food prices will only rise.
As an illustration - China with India is almost three billion mouths

Do you know how many people are on the planet? here is such a stain, but they are rubbing us about hunger. someone just needs it.

[Sergej1972]

This fake picture has long been discussed. Rummage on the Internet.

[Inokenty]

Quote: Livonetc

As for the usefulness of the harmfulness of palm oil, the question is which palm oil will be supplied.

Livonetc (Gennady), is supplied only refined - harmful to health, unrefined is very expensive and not supplied. Moreover, technical refined palm oil is often supplied - also harmful to health!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Livonetc

The question of bargaining, how many and what quality to demand in exchange for our products.

It is necessary to breed cows, and to make butter. Cheese and cottage cheese also do not grow on a palm tree.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Livonetc

The question of bargaining, how many and what quality to demand in exchange for our products.

It is necessary to breed cows, and to make butter. Cheese and cottage cheese also do not grow on a palm tree.

Let me remind you - a conversation (and an article) about the delivery of aircraft to Malaysia and the possible (!!) payment of part of the transaction amount, ahem, so beloved by many palm oil.

Be kind, explain - what do you think the relationship of the cow and other animals to the topic of the article.

Thank you

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Be kind, explain - what do you think the relationship of the cow and other animals to the topic of the article.

It has no airplanes, but it has palm oil supplies for airplanes.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

to the supply of palm oil at the expense of aircraft has.

Can you read well? It’s not a fact that this oil will be there. But the stink on this topic here - it’s not easy to breathe.

By the way:
- also not the fact that this is the very oil (if any) will reach the Russian Federation at all
- and if it comes, what will go exactly to the food.

But some are already yelling here, like the victims who use this oil through their mouths (and not only) to pour it right now by force.

Symptomatically, however

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

It’s not a fact that this oil will be there.

Want to argue?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Want to argue?

With you? What for? You are just one of those

Quote: Golovan Jack

they’re yelling here already, like the victims, who use this oil through their mouths (and not only), right now, right now, they are forcibly pouring under pressure

Whether it is oil or not is secondary for you

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Golovan Jack

It’s not a fact that this oil will be there.

And what kind of oil will it be? It says "palm". And it will go into the hands of "fat cats" bought for public money, not for the production of the same aircraft. There is no money for the creation of the NK-93 engine, and the "cats" have no money.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Golovan Jack

It’s not a fact that this oil will be there.

And what kind of oil will it be? It is written "palm"

The fence is also "written". But butter - yes, damn it, it's not a fact that it will be at all. Can you read?

The Minister of Defense noted that everyone may not be talking about, but options are being considered with the exchange of several Su-30MKM for Su-35 and MiG-29 for MiG-35, if surcharge will be made by palm oil produced in Malaysia

It's for now Wishlist Minister of Defense of Malaysia. No more. There is no deal yet, what was the scream about?

Quote: tihonmarine

"cats" butter

And to trolls - an occasion to flood. Something like this.

[cosmonaut]

better to exchange clay whistles

[cosmonaut]

received a minus)) and what does not agree with me that we do not need money, we need PM and clay whistles)))

[ZVS]

Baboons are the best friends of the Russian government. And the government is ready to further poison the population of Russia with palm oil, just to sell the latest weapons. The exchange of modern military equipment for palm oil is a state crime.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: SU

Baboons are the best friends of the Russian government. And the government is ready to further poison the population of Russia with palm oil, just to sell the latest weapons. The exchange of modern military equipment for palm oil is a state crime.

The import and use of palm oil in general is a crime against the people of Russia.
The growth of oncological diseases of the gastrointestinal tract (gastrointestinal tract) since 2008 alone amounted to more than 40%. This growth is clearly correlated with growth in imports and use of palm oil. What we eat is what we have.
The conclusions are obvious, no matter what tricks the advocates of the palm policy of the Russian government use.

[AU Ivanov.]

Nothing that we have eaten margarine since the 30s. And no one in the USSR stuttered about his harm. Trans fat is harmful no matter what kind of oil went into its manufacture.

[Sergej1972]

I already wrote here above that margarine was still produced and consumed in the Russian Empire.

[ZVS]

Do not confuse xer with a finger, but hydrogenated sunflower oil or animal fats with palm oil.

[AU Ivanov.]

The output is exactly the same product: trans fat. Like sugar: it is absolutely unimportant what it is made of: beetroot or cane.

[AU Ivanov.]

The growth of gastrointestinal oncology is mainly a consequence of the use of hormones and antibiotics in livestock farming, as well as the use of chemical plant protection products. And not palm oil, as many people think.

[Ingvar 72]

The whole blame.

[Beringovsky]

Chemistry was also actively used in the USSR from aircraft. What is now missing - there is no agricultural aviation (and money will be given to c.)))

this is a consequence of the use of hormones and antibiotics in livestock farming,

And when they will blame the modern Russian meat industry for this, you will probably write that hormones and antibiotics are absolutely harmless and all the troubles from palm oil?

[AU Ivanov.]

Hormones and antibiotics, like any chemistry, are generally unnatural if they are not developed by the body of the animal. Pesticides and insecticides are poison. Palm oil is a natural product, no better and no worse than other oils.

[Beringovsky]

What do you mean?!
Hormones are also produced by the body and thanks to antibiotics we are spared many diseases.
Pesticides and insecticides saved us from pests. Everything is good in moderation.

Palm oil is a natural product,

You can name a huge number of such "natural products" from which you need to stay away. Palm is definitely one of them.
Let others conduct experiments on themselves.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SU

The exchange of modern military equipment for palm oil is a state crime.

But I am surprised at the number of palm oil advocates on our site.

[AU Ivanov.]

What surprises me more is the number of hysterical proteins on this site. In which vegetable oils contain cholesterol.

[Thecubel21]

You give us high-tech military products, and we poison you! Seethe, for both cheeks! We have a clear sky, you oncology! Well damn, how so? Well, the audacity of the guard.

[sagitch]

So the first Oil Dryers were bought. Take an interest in that 2007 deal.

[Pavel57]

And the MiG-29 is also for oil.

[Alexey from Perm]

And if Malaysia has manure? Manure could have come up!

[Alien From]

It won’t work, only change for creamy))) let the palm mattresses vparivayut)

[Aliken]

Yes, and Russia needs palm oil desperately.

[Tukm]

Nestle buys 420 tons of palm oil per year. Nestele’s net worth of 000 billion. The company controls:
Chocolate Factory "Russia" (Samara),
Ice Cream Factory in Zhukovsky, Moscow Region,
Factory “Maggi” in Vyazniki, Vladimir Region,
-confectionery factory "Kamskaya" (Perm),
- factory of instant and sublimated coffee (Timashevsk, Krasnodar Territory),
- baby food factory and Bystrov factory (instant cereals and instant cereals, -Vologda),
Pet Food Factory (Vorsino Village, Kaluga Region)
This is one example where this oil can be used. And if this oil is used everywhere in the world, it is rather difficult to refuse it, we are not North Korea.

[Elturisto]

Yes, and the legalization of drugs does not need to be abandoned, it’s possible in Holland, where are we Europe and not Korea ... so what.

[Corn]

Of course, do not refuse.
The Dutch experience turned out to be successful, the level of drug addiction and general crime decreased markedly, over the past 15 years, this experience was adopted in almost all highly developed (technologically, culturally, financially ... whatever, except for “religion”).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tukm

- baby food factory and Bystrov factory (instant cereals and instant cereals, -Vologda),
Pet Food Factory (Vorsino Village, Kaluga Region)

The layout is normal, "Baby food and food for cats and dogs."

[sagitch]

At present, the Malaysian Air Force operates 18 Su-30MKM fighters, which have been supplied since 2007

Sold RF for palm oil! Oh, damn it! Guessed what fighters to change ...

[AU Ivanov.]

On green papers, probably better?

[Berkut24]

I read the comments here. Many are obsessed with palm oil.
Firstly, we bought palm oil, we buy and we will buy. Because it happened so ... Therefore, if we do not buy in one place, but buy in another, nothing will change for our economy. I am one of those who are against "palm" in products, but the market for its consumption has developed, and this is a fact. And so it will be as long as we have the poor who are not able to buy a bun for a child for 54 rubles.
Secondly, the purchase and sale of weapons is a political issue as well. And sometimes you have to pay for politics too. Especially when you enter a region controlled by a "potential enemy". Everything has a price.
Thirdly, market promotion, including the arms market, also costs money. So that you do not sell, but the first and second customers have to give cheaper to try, have developed usage statistics for the following potential customers. The Su-35 has already entered the market, and the MIG-35 is only in sales so far. Whether we want it or not, it’s impossible without concessions.

[Pavel57]

Look who and how much consumes palm oil. The issue is not oil as such, but its quality.

[NordUral]

I prefer milk, cream, cottage cheese, butter and cheese from under a cow, rather than from a palm tree.
Against palm oil, as such, if of high quality, but in a bottle, I have nothing. If I want - I’ll buy and eat, but I don’t want to - I won’t buy it.
But I don’t want to dig cheeses, cottage cheese and all dairy products from those made not in harmless ways into substitutes for natural products from milk -

[Pavel57]

Prohibit mayonnaise as a substitute for sour cream.

[NordUral]

He doesn’t bother me, your mayonnaise, I prefer sour cream. And yet - you want to eat surrogates - eat.

[Revival]

That's right, in quality.
Only here is the problem that they buy, basically, what is technical by normal standards.
Edible then it is expensive, it does not allow the most to weld.

[rocket757]

Quote: Berkut24

I read the comments here.

They spat out specifically ... although Temko is old, but it is already very hot to see!
The main thing is GDP and AUTHORITY is to blame, no one else!
To understand that the trouble is that hedgehogs cacti hawk, not because because, but because they don’t want to RECEIVE their living space, because they were carried away by chewing and heavy weight!
When America was convinced that tuna was in danger of extermination, America stopped eating tuna, in large part, and this is a fact! They stopped exterminating tuna without measure, because there was nowhere to put the products !!! - the moral of this parable is this - And don’t eat, then don’t eat! -

[NordUral]

And then who is to blame? Pushkin?

[rocket757]

Quote: NordUral

And then who is to blame? Pushkin?

I’m tired of arguing on this topic ... From a change in the terms of the terms ... we will not live better, because CAPITALISM, THE AUTHORITY of the RICH, takes care of the working people IS NOT PROVIDED!
The SYSTEM needs to be changed! if we want and we can.

[NordUral]

And I keep saying this all the time, Victor. Moreover, it is precisely at the elections of all levels that they persistently persuade us to refuse - that it is useless.
No, it will be very useful if the people wakes up, finally.

[rocket757]

Eugene, elections, dermocracy, it’s that we HAVE NOW and ignore this tool of forming the ruling / leading, just STUPID! We must start, try, with what we have ... we’ll not catch up with them, but we’ll warm ourselves! - a joke.
We’ll practice, we may finally realize that it IS NECESSARY to UNITE in order to be able to achieve our goals.
The methods of struggle / creation of real-life associations have long been known ... but we still have no way. The masses are inert, and those who have the power to rustle, defend for their interests without restricting themselves to anything!
All the same, you have to ... unite, because it itself will not pass!

[NordUral]

It is necessary to unite, but not with the same ones that are now in all the cracks and stumps of power.

[NordUral]

And about the change of system I have been repeating for a long time. The main thing for the present moment is the absence of a socially oriented system and a social system alien to the people.

[rocket757]

Quote: NordUral

And about the change of system I have been repeating for a long time.

You can outline a program maximum, but you have to start from a minimum, because to the maximum you have to long and carefully .... organize!

[AU Ivanov.]

As if under socialism there were no surrogates. Margarine is a butter substitute, black caviar from oil (this is a purely Soviet invention) aniline food colors. You can change the system (just why?), But technological progress cannot be stopped.

[rocket757]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Margarine is a butter substitute, black caviar from oil (this is a purely Soviet invention) aniline food colors.

You will be surprised at what they are trying to make food products ... and black caviar, artificial, made from fish and other food substitutes.

[Tony]

In the USSR they used margarine and something no one noticed a deterioration in health, and life expectancy was higher for men ....

[rocket757]

Quote: Tony

In the USSR they used margarine and something no one noticed a deterioration in health, and life expectancy was higher for men ....

Different things affect life expectancy ... and "correct" statistics.
There is no need to discuss the fact that food products were better in all respects, so we basically "adjusted" this very life expectancy ourselves!
About harmful working conditions ??? So there were production with very normal working conditions! There was always a choice!

[NordUral]

And sometimes you also have to pay for politics.
For some reason, only the middle class and the poor have to pay, that is, the majority of the people

[Revival]

Here we are, just about that and we say that "we have the poor who can not buy a child a bottle for 54 rubles."
That's all the indignation.
A palm tree is only a consequence, but indignation from a cause!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Berkut24

Secondly, the purchase and sale of weapons is a political issue as well. And sometimes you also have to pay for politics.

Interesting thought "Politics, sale of fighters and palm oil". And what kind of political assistance can we have from Malaysia?

[Pavel57]

There is no patrol aircraft to offer to us, not even for palm oil. IL-114 will not appear soon. Like the Tu-204 PLO.

[NordUral]

Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will also eat cheese and milk substitutes, so that the oligarchs are rich. The argument that this is necessary for the production of boards for yourself is a tale for zombies from a TV box.

[AU Ivanov.]

Who makes you buy cheap varieties of dairy products? Cheese, by definition, cannot cost 400 rubles per kilo - for this money only a surrogate.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Who makes you buy cheap varieties of dairy products

Andrei, do the people have money for normal products?

[NordUral]

I don’t buy absolutely cheap, but the fact is that even for a couple of thousand cheese can be made from milk substitutes, it is more profitable. And it's not just about cheese, but about the almost complete replacement of natural substitutes.
And yet such a trifle - the poverty level in the country. So do not offer to eat cakes if there is no bread.

[alex aircraft]

I don’t use drugs. Does this mean that you don’t have to fight with the drug mafia ?? and the fools say, don’t take ersatz when it is everywhere, in all food products. million promised jobs ????

[Revival]

Absolutely.
The proposal is simply not to buy products with a palm tree, they say you have a choice, this is a direct mockery and mockery.
As:
1. Palm stick everywhere and in cheap and expensive, and even quietly.
2. "Healthy foods", in any case, cost so much that the people in the mass simply cannot buy them due to the fact that these same advisers give shameful salaries, pensions, benefits.
Total: direct, not covered up hypocritical mockery!

[rocket757]

FIGHT HOW? pull the pans over your head, run to jump and as a result replace some of the backbones with others, the same or worse? or look back into our not so distant story?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

FIGHT HOW? pull the pans over your head, run to jump and as a result replace some of the backbones with others, the same or worse? or look back into our not so distant story?

I remember 1953, when my mother gave me 10 rubles (1 kg. In the store 25 rubles) and I bought a pound of butter at the bazaar, in 1964 I studied at "Dzerzhinka" we were given 250 grams for four in the morning. butter. In the 80s, the navies of the Navy, MMF, MRH had the same alignment. True, in stores it cost 3 rubles 50 kopecks. And until capitalism came, we ate natural cottage cheese, cheese and butter. And why suddenly there was a "palm". 5 years ago I took it from Malaysia, the price of one ton was 300 US dollars.

[rocket757]

Quote: tihonmarine

And why suddenly there was a "palm".

Optimization, saving, just greed ... this is capitalism and profit rules many, many where!
Now you can’t say that it’s not us, but the world is such ... many of us have become the same as others in the whole world!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

just greed ... it's capitalism and profit rules many, many where!

And imagine how much they will make a profit, not the people, and not those who protect them. If in 2018, more than a Million tons of palm trees were imported to Russia (in 1990, 87 tons were imported to the USSR).

[rocket757]

Quote: tihonmarine

Can you imagine how much they will make a profit,

Can you imagine how they will break off if we are more attentive, more selective, SMARTER and FRIENDLY !!!
By the way, it’s much healthier and we will ruin pharmaceutical companies as well !!!
The next step is to quit DRINKING AND SMOKING !!!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

until capitalism came we ate natural cottage cheese, cheese and butter

They told you that. And you believed

And you fried potatoes (and not only) on margarine. And they did not buzz.

Quote: tihonmarine

And why suddenly there was a "palm"

She has always been. Only you did not know about it.

Quote: tihonmarine

5 years ago I drove her from Malaysia, the price of one ton was 300 US dollars

Interesting ... but did the oil itself tell you the price? And where did they take it? What for? That's very interesting

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Golovan Jack

And you fried potatoes (and not only) on margarine. And they did not buzz.

In the prison on margarine everything was fried and added to the porridge. I served and worked in the Navy, and I did not know (and still do not know) what margarine is.

[AU Ivanov.]

The palm tree appeared not five years ago. Mass purchases of palm oil began back in the 70s. And, as it is not funny now, in the USSR it was used, first of all, for the production of baby food, as the most hypoallergenic.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Mass purchases of palm oil began back in the 70s.

Somewhere since 1977, they began to purchase. 1990 tons were purchased in 87, and 000 million tons in 2018.

[Charik]

their dag-scratch (jobs) come in large numbers

[Fraracol_2]

Will they probably exchange by weight?

[Revival]

Well, of course, we will agree.
And how without palm oil?
If you do not buy it in fantastic quantities, then people will suddenly see that there is no milk in the store, and this is a reason for dissatisfaction. And the palm tree allows you to "rub glasses" that the store shelves are filled with supposedly natural milk.

[Invoce]

What a trade-in is not right!

[Romanenko]

Palm oil cannot be imported into our country, otherwise soon there will be no products left, all of it will be. Let them sell this rubbish to someone there in Malaysia, and they will pay the money with us.

[Shahno]

Well, the problem is raised right. You (and it is growing companies) need to move towards solvent customers.

[Ingvar 72]

In particular, towards Russia itself, it seems that there is money, planes are needed.

[Shahno]

Quote: rocket757

Eugene, elections, dermocracy, it’s that we HAVE NOW and ignore this tool of forming the ruling / leading, just STUPID! We must start, try, with what we have ... we’ll not catch up with them, but we’ll warm ourselves! - a joke.
We’ll practice, we may finally realize that it IS NECESSARY to UNITE in order to be able to achieve our goals.
The methods of struggle / creation of real-life associations have long been known ... but we still have no way. The masses are inert, and those who have the power to rustle, defend for their interests without restricting themselves to anything!
All the same, you have to ... unite, because it itself will not pass!

And in the case, then. Masses damn it. What the hell mass.

[NordUral]

And those that under the Soviet regime became the Soviet people, almost became. the country was not enough for this. If we wake up, then there is still a chance, but no, we will go into oblivion.

[Charik]

yeah, take the right oil and in Kazakhstan, gas at 26 rubles

[Starper-xnumx]

These liberals have already gotten out with this "palm oil ..", at least they would have come up with something new .... Well, you don't raise the people into turmoil with such fakes ..
As someone said, if you spit on people, they will rub off, but if people spit on you, you will choke.
It was not you who created these fighters, built, and it was not for you to indicate how and for what deliveries are being made ...
I remember in the 90s they sold weapons and technology .. We are still recovering.! so shut up throats

[Tony]

Are there liberals alone? Throats?

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Tony

Are there liberals alone? Throats?

Well, you see, a lot of them have recently divorced, always dissatisfied with everyone ..)))

[Saboteur Holuy]

Here is the price of our aviation industry - Palm oil

[Pavel57]

Have you invested a lot in the aviation industry in order to have the right to judge it?

[Esaul]

In exchange for palm oil, we can provide only snow and dirt.

[Pavel57]

In Soviet times, weapons were sold to India for rupees, which were not convertible, so the Vneshtorgovtsy learned to implement barter, with benefit for themselves.

[impostor]

but options are being considered with the exchange of several Su-30MKM for Su-35 and MiG-29 for MiG-35, if the surcharge will be made by Malaysian palm oil

Is it some kind of barter, but the 90s seems to have sunk into oblivion?

[sannyomd]

Quote: Hunter 2

Really - Amazing! The third economy in Southeast Asia, can offer nothing but palm oil ???
Let them dig in the bins ...

Why can't it immediately? It's so convenient for them, they're used to it, so to speak, that in Russia palm oil is eaten with spoons ..

[sannyomd]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: tihonmarine

Can you imagine how much they will make a profit,

Can you imagine how they will break off if we are more attentive, more selective, SMARTER and FRIENDLY !!!
By the way, it’s much healthier and we will ruin pharmaceutical companies as well !!!
The next step is to quit DRINKING AND SMOKING !!!

Nah, buddy ... It's too much !! Look what you thought up, stop throwing drinks)) no, no, no, it’s impossible, otherwise you’ll also look at the bright future so it won’t last long! You throw this thing.

[We_smart]

Quote: Designer 68

that the product is BZMZH's Dairy-Free Fat Substitute, or in other variants, and I am deeply convinced that having bought such milk he eats just milk.

And why is this statement born evident by serious attempts at mental activity?

But in essence, besides your efforts there is nothing to say? Go already lighten up, maybe rude desire will pass.