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Russian S-400 air defense system criticized in Poland

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Russian S-400 air defense system criticized in Poland

In Poland, criticized the Russian anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) S-400. According to the author of the article published on the pages of the Polish publication Gazeta, the Russian anti-aircraft complex does not meet the declared characteristics.


The author questions the ability of S-400 air defense systems located in the Kaliningrad Region to hit planes in Poland’s airspace, and calls the declared range of the complex an advertising campaign aimed at a potential buyer, as well as intimidation of a potential enemy.

The publication writes that the range of target detection by the C-400 radar is explained by the conditions of use, in particular, by the terrain and curvature of the Earth, so that the radar can detect targets in accordance with the claimed characteristics, it must be raised several kilometers above the surface of the Earth. The masts that are part of the C-400 can raise the radar to a height of not more than 25 meters, which indicates that the complex is not able to "see" the declared distance.

Over-the-horizon radars that use the phenomenon of reflection of radio waves from the ionosphere make it possible to see targets at a long distance, however, the available radars of this type in Russia are too bulky and do not differ in high accuracy of target detection.

In addition, Russian anti-aircraft missile systems are based on Soviet and Russian electronics, which are significantly behind the US. Russian microelectronics in control systems does not allow Russian systems to hit targets as accurately as, for example, the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) MIM-104 Patriot, adopted by the Polish army.

The only Russian weapons, which can cause problems for Poland, the author calls the OTRK "Iskander-M" located in the Kaliningrad region, as "the Russians have definitely underestimated the range of their missiles that can hit any target on Polish territory."
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 20 November 2019 13: 14
    +33
    Oh yes, there are great experts! They are now with the British, scientific experts, for the palm, before the cardinal, "pfuck"
    1. iConst
      iConst 20 November 2019 13: 19
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      Oh yes, great experts!

      laughing
      "Nasty, nasty, Mr. First!" (film "The Man from the Boulevard des Capuchins")
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 20 November 2019 13: 27
        +16
        The author along the way only yesterday found out about the existing curvature of the planet and decided to make a mess ...
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 20 November 2019 13: 37
          +29
          Quote: maxim947
          learned about the existing curvature of the planet

          The earth is flat! am smile
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 20 November 2019 13: 47
            +16
            Quote: Thrall
            Quote: maxim947
            learned about the existing curvature of the planet

            The earth is flat! am smile

            "And keeps on three whales." Copernicus has already regretted being born in Poland.
            1. krot
              krot 20 November 2019 14: 13
              +5
              It finally came to the Poles that the earth was round! laughing
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 20 November 2019 17: 46
                +6
                Quote: krot
                It finally came to the Poles that the earth was round! laughing

                This is yes. But they will never understand why, with such "shoals" revealed by the Polish "expert", the Americans every time threaten with sanctions and are hysterical that one of their alleged opponents or allies wants to acquire exactly the S-400.
                1. mikh-korsakov
                  mikh-korsakov 20 November 2019 18: 58
                  +5
                  So what was the matter, panov. Make a calculation, taking into account the curvature of the earth, I repeat the curvature of the earth, and not the curvature of your nose. Get in an airplane and fly over the horizon. stay intact - get a reward for exposing, you will be Copernicus of the 21st century. No - also not bad, they will enroll you forever in the heroes of NATO.
              2. Gray brother
                Gray brother 22 November 2019 09: 41
                +1
                Quote: krot
                It finally came to the Poles that the earth was round!

                They had problems with this because Poland cannot go into space.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 20 November 2019 17: 24
              +3
              Quote: Amurets
              "And keeps on three whales."

              This is an outdated hypothesis.
              It is well established that our world
              lies on the backs of four giant elephants that stand on the shell of a huge turtle A'Tuin
              smile
          2. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 20 November 2019 13: 57
            0
            Quote: Thrall
            The earth is flat!

            so in YouTube there is 100 evidence that the earth is flat !! wassat
            1. keeper03
              keeper03 20 November 2019 17: 09
              +3
              Of course - it seems round because of the distortion of the lenses of the cameras and because the eye and pupil are round! laughing fellow good
              So C-400 fully possesses the declared characteristics! stop soldier yes
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 20 November 2019 21: 02
                +2
                Quote: keeper03
                it seems round because of the distortion of the lenses of the video cameras and because the eye and pupil are round

                so it does not matter))…. the sect order in any case minus !!
          3. iConst
            iConst 20 November 2019 14: 03
            +16
            Quote: Thrall
            The earth is flat!

            This is outdated information - the Earth is concave ... stop
            This was proved by our compatriot - socks and heels of shoes wear out faster than the entire sole, which means ....
          4. knn54
            knn54 20 November 2019 14: 44
            +4
            "Excuse me, did I bent the Earth? No, it was done before you ..."
        2. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 20 November 2019 14: 07
          +10
          Quote: maxim947
          The author along the way only yesterday found out about the existing curvature of the planet and decided to make a mess ...

          Looks like something was noted at the whispers with the use of vodka, the invention of which, by the way, they also claim, since they reached the curvature of the Earth in the course of the boom! yes Be careful, panov, checking the capabilities of C-400 can sucks end for curious arrogant ...... negative
          1. mishaia_23
            mishaia_23 20 November 2019 22: 08
            +3
            Should drink less
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 20 November 2019 14: 28
          +2
          Quote: maxim947
          The author along the way only yesterday found out about the existing curvature of the planet and decided to make a mess ...

          Yes, God bless her, with earthly curvature, if only the author's brains did not twist at all, otherwise it was not far from the asylum.
        4. Chit
          Chit 20 November 2019 16: 07
          -20
          In fact, the fact that the curvature of the earth's surface exists and prevents the Russian air defense from shooting down American Tomahawks in Syria could have been known to anyone back in April 207.
          Russian military expert Mikhail Khodarenok then clearly explained how exactly the curvature mentioned interferes with the work of Russian air defense.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 20 November 2019 20: 35
            0
            Quote: Chit
            Russian military expert Mikhail Khodarenok then clearly explained how exactly the curvature mentioned interferes with the work of Russian air defense.

            Ogh, probably another landowner was searching out))))
            And the presence of such things as self-detonators AWACS "khodarenok" does not know wink
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 22 November 2019 09: 43
            0
            Quote: Chit
            earth curvature exists

            My dear friend, I want to inform you that the target has such a parameter as height.
      2. hrych
        hrych 20 November 2019 13: 44
        +18
        First ZGRLS Sunflower is not very overall, high factory readiness. And it does not work on the principle of reflection from the ionosphere (spatial wave), where a large radiation power is required, but on the principle of radio wave diffraction (surface wave). Those. when a radio wave goes around the surface along with the curvature of the earth and looks out over the horizon. This guidance was worked out in the Caspian, when the watchtowers departed for an air attack with their modest means, but knowing the direction and time of the attack from Sunflower. Therefore, the Poles are experts wassat In addition to the external target designation from Sunflowers, the S-400 also has an over-the-horizon missile, which, when rising, itself peers beyond the horizon. There are also aircraft and satellites AWACS.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 20 November 2019 13: 29
      +30
      There would be at least one propshek expert in the world who could point to at least one type (type, brand, brand ...) of weapons made (manufactured, constructed, researched ...), be it a gun (automatic machine gun, machine gun, carbine ...), airplane (helicopter, rocket, car, engine ...), radio engineering (electronic, cybernetic, optical ...) ...
      NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      N AND CHEGO, neither invented, nor built, did not let the world feel, nor did, except arrogance, meanness, treason, betrayal, irresponsibility, violation of this word ...
      YES WHAT IS THIS FOR AN ETHNOS SUCH GOD DAMNED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. PalBor
        PalBor 20 November 2019 13: 42
        +6
        And the wings of the hussars? One wave - the street, the other - the lane ... And you say.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 20 November 2019 13: 51
          +2
          For some reason, it is thought that this is a misinterpretation ...
          It seems to me that this is something like a life-saving tool for the soul: the warrior is already dead, and then the battle, dump, noise, muskets, tears ... how can the soul calm down?
          So they came up with a means of salvation for the soul ... laughing
          1. hrych
            hrych 20 November 2019 22: 09
            +5
            Quote: hydrox
            There would be at least one propshek expert in the world

            In defense of the Poles. When Poland was torn (another section), the elite was torn. In particular, the Russian Empire also made money. Vernadsky, Chizhevsky, Sikorsky, Tsyolkovsky and Sakharov had Polish roots. Even Rokosovsky and we have overcome. Like the fearless hero of Borodino, Raevsky. And the commoners of Wojtyła, Walesa, etc. remained directly in Poland. Therefore, they couldn’t give the mountain any intelligible culture and science with technology. Although Oginsky was, the brilliant Jan Matejko is already in the little things. Although Matejko had Czech and German-Polish roots. And Chopin has Polish-French ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 20 November 2019 22: 17
              +3
              I will not object, but this is offtopic and it is not about the brains (really good, high-quality), but about the complex of knowledge inherent in EXACTLY experts, i.e. narrow and often specialty analysts.
              And for a good offtopic and meaningful comment "in defense" I punish you with a plus. laughing
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 20 November 2019 13: 47
        +3
        Psheki Susanin is waiting for a new one)))) Minister Lavrov is right as always ...))
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 20 November 2019 14: 05
        +5
        Quote: hydrox
        didn't let the world feel

        Copernicus, it seems like he made a discovery on that territory ... again, GERMAN. But they then consider it for their own.
        She couldn’t do it anymore ... oh yes, after all, DAD was.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 20 November 2019 16: 16
          +6
          Quote: rocket757
          Copernicus, it seems like he made a discovery on that territory ... again, GERMAN. But they then consider it for their own.

          Mykola Kopernyak - German ?! Did that de vie taka bach? Win Shchiriy Ukrainian!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 November 2019 16: 30
            +3
            Quote: Polite Moose
            Quote: rocket757
            Copernicus, it seems like he made a discovery on that territory ... again, GERMAN. But they then consider it for their own.

            Mykola Kopernyak - German ?! Did that de vie taka bach? Win Shchiriy Ukrainian!

            This is something I ... missed! Svidomye him already ???
            And Giordano Bruno, Galileo Galilei, absolutely from somewhere under Konotop, probably?
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 21 November 2019 07: 11
          +1
          And what is dad?
          This is a spiritual symbol and has no relation to the physical world.
          Probably, such "symbols of faith" are also needed, and someone may need such "braces", but this is definitely not the population of Russia.
          Liberoids, by their machinations against Russia, turned its population into harsh pragmatists (many even into cynics), but this is a symbol of the cure of faith introduced from outside ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 November 2019 07: 40
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            This is a spiritual symbol and has no relation to the physical world.

            The question of faith, the question is not simple ... if it is separate from the state, then there is no question.
            I do not believe that ministers of worship, religion, can right away, something super useful to bring to our people, in our situation.
            Let them first clean the "feathers" of their angels, otherwise it is not their "service to the people, to the country" that causes special confidence in the MOST of our people!
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 21 November 2019 07: 54
              +1
              Well, yes.
              For too many of the spiritual fathers, Kruzak becomes a true "symbol of faith" ...
      4. Kettle
        Kettle 20 November 2019 16: 36
        +7
        Although not an expert, especially a "propshek" one, but in fairness, for the sake of fairness, one can immediately recall the pre-war Polish 7TP tanks and TKS tankettes, which were not bad for their time, although they used the ideas of Vickers and Cardin-Lloyd - and who did not use them then (T-26, T-27)?
        Own developments were some of the best PZL P.30 fighters for the early 11s, and for the mid 30s - Los bombers (about “one of the best” - this is not my opinion, the opinion of our military experts), unlike any whom the scout-bomber "Karas".
        After the war, of course, the unification of military equipment in the Warsaw Pact countries influenced, but most of our landing ships were developed and built in Poland. Those same BDK 775 projects, which are now the basis of our amphibious fleet and without which it is difficult to imagine, for example, the "Syrian Express" - of Polish origin.
        I was digging into the original source - and as always. The Polish article itself is written in detail, in a simple near-technical language, such as Popular Mechanics, without malice and without any peremptory character, in contrast to the free retelling of pomaces here on Topwar.
        http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114881,25390408,taka-ciekawostka-rosyjska-bron-nie-jest-cudowna-dba-o-to-fizyka.html
        About the S-400 and the curvature of the Earth and the height of the radar station, exactly the same is written as commented on by our military leadership about the famous story with the S-300/400 as an "umbrella" over Syria and the Tomahawks.
        Experts have repeatedly written about possible reserves in range from Iskander, including on Topvar.
        About the Patriot, as well as about the lag in electronics in the original, there is nothing at all - the author lied. Only about the systems of unified combat control of the air defense and missile defense systems of IBCS, which make it possible to solve the problem of curvature and detection range.
        In general, it’s understandable why articles are so rarely referenced ..
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 November 2019 07: 46
          0
          Quote: Kettle
          In general, it’s understandable why articles are so rarely referenced ..

          Quote: Kettle
          there is nothing in the original at all - the author lied.

          But this happens very often.
          We live on emotions, not wanting to understand the essence, the truth. We were shown an "enemy", even if he is, everyone will blame him. Both their own and others'.
          It is clear that he is climbing from all sides, honest, truthful, in this "war" during the day with fire you cannot find.
          Thank you ... but anyway, it’s normal for the Polish leadership to fail! We treat the Polish people ... in different ways, but the general background is negative.
      5. Galleon
        Galleon 20 November 2019 17: 38
        +4
        Quote: hydrox
        YES WHAT IS THIS FOR AN ETHNOS SUCH

        Not true. They had Chopin.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 20 November 2019 20: 11
          +5
          Quote: Galleon
          Not true. They had Chopin.

          I hope they still have it. Full.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 21 November 2019 07: 33
          +1
          One Chopin for an entire ethnic group?
          It will not be enough!
    3. Pravodel
      Pravodel 20 November 2019 14: 01
      -3
      Exactly, and not only with the British, but also with the Arab, Mozambican, Filipino and with many more are combined.
      As you know, the Poles invented vodka, and therefore they are great specialists in it, advise all Anglo-Saxons on this issue. We, Russians, should stand and watch how Anglo-Saxons devour their vodka and wonder why no one is buying Russian vodka, and everyone has a crush on Polish vodka. Here you can only hear everywhere: Polish vodka - VO !, Russian - we do not know or buy at all. Similarly, with the S-400. We stand and watch how everyone buys the S-400 from the Poles, and our cars bypass.
    4. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 20 November 2019 14: 02
      +4
      Interesting! Is there anything Russian that the Poles might like ??
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 20 November 2019 14: 07
        +6
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Interesting! Is there anything Russian that the Poles might like ??

        There is! The territory of Russia! Only to them - not Our land! angry
    5. Gerneton
      Gerneton 21 November 2019 10: 44
      -3
      Quote: rocket757
      Oh yes, there are great experts! They are now with the British, scientific experts, for the palm, before the cardinal, "pfuck"

      Well, when the great experts from Serbia praised, then most ears were hung up and requested supplements ... laughing
      and the Poles are worse?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 November 2019 10: 52
        0
        Quote: Gerneton
        Well, when the great experts from Serbia praised, then most ears were hung up and requested supplements ...
        and the Poles are worse?

        No difference. Trained theoreticians can be anywhere ... in fact, even ours, who are exactly in the hens, what the system is capable of, do not say everything at once.
        Evaluation of these experts depending on preferences.
        Вон
        Quote: Kettle

        Kettle (Sergey) Yesterday, 16:36

        I wrote very interestingly and reasonably ... I will find and read the source.
        Because there is such an option that in an article on VO they wrote what they wanted, but this is not gut.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 November 2019 11: 11
          0
          I READ ... the author does not ... we do not favor our propaganda, however, he does not quite love the western one either.
          The author points out the inaccuracies in the cited by our media, experts ... but "successfully" forgets that our intelligence means are not limited to what he has listed. This is a mistake or misleading / lies, because it is impossible not to know such an EXPERT!
          Those. in the article on VO "the picture was underlined" but not so that at all, there is reason to doubt the objectivity of the Polish expert.
  2. svp67
    svp67 20 November 2019 13: 14
    +12
    The author questions the ability of S-400 air defense systems located in the Kaliningrad Region to hit aircraft in the Polish airspace
    Pan wants to check? If so, let him land himself with the target plane ...
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 13: 20
      +4
      They took it straight off the tongue :) But, I suppose, the pan will not want to check, it’s scary, and then he will have to wash the underwear ... Although, if the pan gets on the plane, he won’t even leave a footcloth.
      1. Demon_is_ada
        Demon_is_ada 20 November 2019 15: 02
        +4
        One great-powerful pan Kaczynski had already steered a plane and without any c400, his pine shot down, although before that the planes were quietly landing there yes
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 20 November 2019 23: 06
          +4
          laughing lol laughing
          Quote: Demon_is_ada
          One great-powerful pan Kaczynski had already steered a plane and without any c400, his pine shot down,

          Do not confuse the SAM model. Shot down the old air defense system "Birch"

          And you ascribe to the newest "Pine". For me, that would be enough for Aspen.
          1. Demon_is_ada
            Demon_is_ada 21 November 2019 00: 43
            +1
            Excuse me hi confused a little, I'm not an anti-aircraft gunner recourse
            laughing
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 20 November 2019 13: 24
      -15
      Yes, they have enough of the Iskander. Anyway, we’ll throw hats! laughing
  3. bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 20 November 2019 13: 19
    +8
    He even messed up what curvature of the earth is flat, isn't it?)
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 November 2019 13: 50
      +2
      Precisely flat. It stands on three elephants that swim across the sea on a turtle. wassat
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 November 2019 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: bessmertniy
        It stands on three elephants that swim across the sea on a turtle.

        At four. Or five.
        It is said that the fifth elephant arrived, screaming and blowing, through the atmosphere of the young world many, many years ago and fell so hard that it split the continents and erected mountains.
        In fact, no one saw him land, and therefore an interesting philosophical question arose: if millions of angry tons of elephants fall from the sky, but no one hears this, then, from a philosophical point of view, does this drop noise?
        And if no one saw him fall, did he really fall?
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 20 November 2019 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: bankirchik34
      He even messed up what curvature of the earth is flat, isn't it?)

      Yes flat, flat. On three elephants lies. laughing
      Quote: bankirchik34
      He even messed up what curvature of the earth is flat, isn't it?)

      laughing laughing We need to chat about something tongue crying

  4. dvina71
    dvina71 20 November 2019 13: 20
    +5
    Schizophrenia? The Iskander’s underestimated the S-400’s overestimated .. and there and there lamp tubes ..., both should be shit ..
    1. Military77
      Military77 20 November 2019 13: 41
      +16
      Quote: dvina71
      and there are lamp circuits

      I remembered the joke:
      The exhibition is held on achievements in computer technology. The newest processors from Intel with frequency 4.2 gigahertz, AMD Atlon 64, as well as the first processor of Zelenograd NGO "Electronics" are presented. Processors are tested on all parameters, and everywhere the domestic product is leading. Experts are shocked. Bring a powerful microscope, lay the processor. One expert peeps into the eyepieces and in a second falls into a faint. His colleague peeks and also faints. The commission is at a loss. The third expert looks at the microscope for a long time, and then, stuttering, says:
      - You will not believe! He's a tube!
  5. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 20 November 2019 13: 20
    +4
    The author questions the ability of S-400 air defense systems located in the Kaliningrad Region to hit planes in Poland’s airspace, and calls the declared range of the complex an advertising campaign aimed at a potential buyer, as well as intimidation of a potential enemy.

    The author judges the state of affairs with the purchased MIM-104 Patriot. But they do not judge by themselves.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 November 2019 13: 51
      +3
      He just fulfills his fees. He wants to live like a king on Amer’s handouts. negative
  6. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 13: 24
    +4
    Domestic microelectronics in control systems does not allow Russian systems to hit targets as accurately as, for example, the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) MIM-104 Patriot, adopted by the Polish army.

    You, the author, would better tell the Saudis about the accuracy of hitting targets by a "patriot". They will believe.
  7. YOUR
    YOUR 20 November 2019 13: 26
    +4
    I would be very surprised if they liked this system, and Iskander in addition.
    Something lately too much attention to the noble panam.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 November 2019 13: 48
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      Something lately too much attention to the noble panam.

      Since 2020, the EU subsidizes Poland and Tribaltam. So everyone runs ahead of the mare, maybe 10 silver coins will be thrown.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 20 November 2019 13: 59
        +1
        As if they would pay attention to it. The outpouring of loyal obeisances has no effect on finances. They repose favorably and twist the fig.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 November 2019 16: 31
          +3
          Quote: YOUR
          They repose favorably and twist the fig.

          In the EU they know how to count money.
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 November 2019 01: 04
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      lately too much attention to noble panas.

      Duc, a historical sign: as soon as Poland is very much heard, then obviously the business is going to the next section. yes
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 November 2019 13: 26
    +1
    Well, after the Chinese experts, the Polish, of course, the most-most ...
    1. 7,62x54
      7,62x54 20 November 2019 14: 08
      +1
      Vietnamese experts are gaining momentum
  9. Blue fox
    Blue fox 20 November 2019 13: 28
    +3
    Well, so-so expert opinion, but even if we take into account the statement that
    The masts available in the S-400 can raise the radar to a height of no more than 25 meters, which means that the complex is not able to "see" at the declared distance.
    , then surprise targets await potential targets, since vehicles on combat duty in the RPM are driven up to a hill, natural or artificial, and get a plus of several meters to the mast height.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 20 November 2019 13: 39
      +2
      Quote: Blue Fox
      then surprise targets await potential targets, as vehicles on combat duty in the RPM are driven up to a hill, natural or artificial, and get a plus of several meters to the mast height.

      This makes sense for a HBO ... which works on low-flying KR .., planes fly much higher .. so the curvature does not work here .... LA is always higher, but if they stand on the ground or get to the place of BZ with wheels .. then the Polish esperd got to the point ..
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 November 2019 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: dvina71
        planes fly much higher .. so the curvature does not work here ....

        As we have been taught, airplanes in the zone of the air defense system fly on small and criminally small ones (or hide behind the folds of terrain that obscure the radar sector). Fly at medium altitudes they were weaned back in the days of Vietnam and the Arab-Israeli.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 20 November 2019 17: 44
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RA

          As we have been taught, airplanes in the air defense zone

          Working area S-400 400km ...
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 November 2019 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: dvina71
            Working area S-400 400km ...

            On large and medium.
            Already for targets at an altitude of 1000 m, the visibility range of a divisional radar (provided that the antenna is carried out to a height of 30 m) is reduced to 130-150 km.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 20 November 2019 18: 50
              -1
              Alexey .. we climb into theoretical debate with you ..on do we need? Explanatory air defense / missile defense is always complex .. long-range air defense systems will not stand in the first line, add 1l222 and the like ... In the area of ​​such an integrated air defense it is better to fly only your own ...
  10. loki565
    loki565 20 November 2019 13: 30
    +2
    Oh yeah, straight news from the next mega-expert on air defense))) what kind of air defense does Poland produce, or does it produce only air defense experts ???)))
  11. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 20 November 2019 13: 30
    +5
    Pshekov and no need to shoot down. They themselves fall on the Smolensk forest.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 November 2019 13: 44
      +3
      Quote: 7,62x54
      They themselves fall on the Smolensk forest.

      Somewhere around a kilometer of forest tumbled down. They destroy nature.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 20 November 2019 14: 04
        +4
        Roll out the bill for them to damage the birches and for reputation damage.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 November 2019 16: 23
          +4
          Quote: 7,62x54
          Roll out the bill for them to damage the birches and for reputation damage.

          Two years ago was (from the highway clearly visible) is still clearing.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 20 November 2019 23: 17
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: 7,62x54
        They themselves fall on the Smolensk forest.

        Somewhere around a kilometer of forest tumbled down. They destroy nature.

        Write out penalties on the "Green" line and make them pay for the restoration of the "green cover of the planet."
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 November 2019 01: 05
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        about a kilometer of forest tumbled down. They destroy nature.

        am am am Greta girls are not on them, ghouls. wassat
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 November 2019 09: 58
          0
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Greta girls are not on them, ghouls.

          Take Greta for rent for a week.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 20 November 2019 13: 51
      +6
      In our Smolensk forests, even birches cannot stand the jackal jackals ......
  12. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 20 November 2019 13: 35
    +2
    The Poles even imagined those, they know everything, they are experts about everything, they really like to pretend to be smart.
  13. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 20 November 2019 13: 35
    +5
    Well, there are, as it were, two options: either raise the S-400 radar, or Polish planes should fly "niggly" ... or better, only along the hangar. In my opinion, planes fly just above the curvature of the earth ... Either I don't understand anything about aeronautics, or the Poles have ceased to be afraid of birches.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 20 November 2019 15: 08
      0
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Polish planes must fly "nizenko-nizenko".

      Fly optional. You need to fly a lot of kyrosin. And you can fall from the sky. The plane and wheels have it - that means the Polish plane can drive along the road. On a forest primer, bypassing border guards.
  14. Anatoly 288
    Anatoly 288 20 November 2019 13: 35
    0
    They think so ... Well, that’s what we agreed on
  15. Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 20 November 2019 13: 36
    +3
    And the pans thought that the cavalry and one and a half hundred light 7TP could stop the Germans.
  16. Pacifist
    Pacifist 20 November 2019 13: 38
    +1
    I look captain evidence visited Poland? Apparently he was drunk on this occasion and forgot about ARGSN missiles and AWACS aircraft. Sober up soberly.
  17. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 November 2019 13: 41
    +2
    Domestic microelectronics in control systems does not allow Russian systems to hit targets as accurately as, for example, the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) MIM-104 Patriot, adopted by the Polish army.
    Everything can be declared, and that the Earth is crooked, and the system is bad. To do this, try, take and try, C-400 will not knock you, you are right, but knock you down, we will serve a memorial service in a Christian way. So we chat less, we begin to act, C-400 is waiting for you.
  18. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 November 2019 13: 43
    +1
    Who is listening to them ??? Psychoanalyst?
  19. marshes
    marshes 20 November 2019 13: 46
    0
    In general, the earth is a Geoid, you can’t remember the spherical shape, if you remove the seas and oceans, it will not look quite smooth.
    Something like a huge asteroid.
    laughing Only probably to the evil Poles their country is on the flat side, maybe a reverse lens, the geoid is located. That horizon line is much further. laughing
  20. askort154
    askort154 20 November 2019 13: 47
    +2
    ".... does not allow Russian complexes to hit targets as accurately as, for example, the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) MIM-104 Patriot, adopted by the Polish army."

    The task of the article in Gazeta is cheap Polish propaganda for domestic consumption, and along the way lick Uncle Sam's ass-Trump. yes
  21. Astronaut
    Astronaut 20 November 2019 13: 47
    +1
    In Poland, the Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) was criticized.

    Well, darlings, there’s a plug from every barrel!
  22. 4ekist
    4ekist 20 November 2019 13: 49
    +1
    Rotten apple experts, pshek in one word.
  23. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 20 November 2019 13: 52
    +1
    Oh yes, great experts from Poland took the floor! The whole world should believe them, even if they do not create modern high-tech weapons, nevertheless, the Poles, as it turned out, "understand" it better than the creators themselves!
  24. shark
    shark 20 November 2019 14: 01
    +2
    The Poles are not able to admit their worthlessness because of the curvature of the mind. In general, the Pole, it seems to me, becomes an abusive word. Signifying extremely bloated conceit and desire to climb more quickly under the host table
  25. bar
    bar 20 November 2019 14: 15
    0
    In Poland, criticized the Russian anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) S-400

    Indian - Chinese experts arrived in the regiment laughing
  26. JD1979
    JD1979 20 November 2019 14: 18
    +1
    Domestic microelectronics in control systems does not allow Russian systems to hit targets as accurately as, for example, the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) MIM-104 Patriot, adopted by the Polish army.

    Just as accurately as they hit drones in Saudi Arabia? Then yes, Poland is precisely protected))). If I don’t see it, it means nothing flies, and if something exploded, it can do it by itself.
  27. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 20 November 2019 14: 36
    0
    Sick people, these Psheks, there is a 100 percent way to check, start some kind of apparatus and officially contact us with a request to bring it down and you will be convinced and we will check. And at the expense of curvature, we have a “brotherly” people, they’re not just digging out the sea if we ask.
  28. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 20 November 2019 14: 37
    +2
    What did Lenin call Poland? Political prostitute. I’ll pay to listen. Poland should tell us thanks for the liberation of Warsaw. We wanted to take her into the ring, and they raised their gaze .. I had to deploy troops. How many of our soldiers died. Actually, the government that saw in London at the direction of the British raised enthusiasm.
    1. Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 20 November 2019 15: 23
      +3
      Even before Lenin, Poland in the EU was called a "capitalist country without capital" and was treated accordingly
  29. Lesorub
    Lesorub 20 November 2019 14: 54
    +1
    Russian S-400 air defense system criticized in Poland

    Not having one - to criticize someone else’s is so modern now - Poland keeps up with the trend!
  30. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 November 2019 14: 55
    +1
    Advertising, the engine of progress! Want to check fly close.
  31. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 November 2019 15: 08
    -1
    So they are right. The complex cannot see. He has no eyes. What is Syr Bor?
  32. Rzzz
    Rzzz 20 November 2019 15: 11
    +4
    As recent tests by the Arabs have shown, the patriot is so cool that he can get not only on planes, but even where there are no planes. American technology !!!
  33. faterdom
    faterdom 20 November 2019 15: 20
    +2
    We are very worried about what Poland thinks about us ...
    Right after Honduras, he is the first, in priority, so to speak. But then - immediately Poland!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 20 November 2019 20: 16
      +1
      Quote: faterdom
      But then - immediately Poland!

      hi
      Nope. Then Limpopo with a bloody Aibolit, and only then the opinion of a powerful neighbor who, it turns out, has not yet disappeared. bully
  34. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 20 November 2019 15: 21
    +2
    If the country that had it armed with its air defense made a statement about the worthlessness of the S-400 air defense system, it would be worth listening to, and the screams of Poland’s sick Russophobia, which is working out loans from the USA with its cries, are ridiculous to read
  35. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 November 2019 15: 42
    +2
    And what kind of woodpeckers are such expert statements designed for? Customers spending such money on an air defense system do not heed such a thing. The question remains, who is listening to such nonsense?
  36. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 November 2019 15: 48
    +1
    Domestic microelectronics in control systems does not allow Russian systems to hit targets as accurately as, for example, the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) MIM-104 Patriot, adopted by the Polish army. lol MIM-104 Patriot has already shown itself in Saudi Arabia
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 20 November 2019 17: 06
      +3
      In CA different curvature of the earth
  37. Charik
    Charik 20 November 2019 16: 30
    +1
    but you can shoot down satellites with Polish apples
  38. Charik
    Charik 20 November 2019 16: 35
    0
    the same thing with the S400-Russians underestimated range, that would only cover Poland
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 20 November 2019 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: Charik
      , that would only Poland cover

      Who is flattered by this old whore? Is that the United States and will die and quit
  39. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 20 November 2019 16: 45
    +1
    Somehow this "iksperdny opinion" reminded me of the fable "Fox and Grapes" ... laughing
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 20 November 2019 23: 29
      +1
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Somehow this "iksperdny opinion" reminded me of the fable "Fox and Grapes" ... laughing

      "The eye sees, but the tooth does not." tongue tongue laughing laughing
  40. vladcub
    vladcub 20 November 2019 17: 04
    +2
    "question the ability. S400, located in the Kaliningrad region, to hit aircraft in the airspace of Poland" want to check?
  41. Berkut24
    Berkut24 20 November 2019 17: 24
    +1
    Just because an expert spat on poison does not mean that the world has become safer for him.
  42. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 20 November 2019 17: 49
    +2
    It is interesting if Polish experts say that 2x2 = 4, commentators will rush to refute this too? wink

    In fact, the problem of the radio horizon for the ADMS DD has been around for a long time, and it is well known. And at HE it was repeatedly discussed in relation to air defense of ships based on air defense systems, in which, when working on low-flying targets, the radius is reduced to about 40 km. Further, the air defense missile defense radar simply does not see this target - it is for him beyond the horizon.
    On land, the matter is further complicated by the folds of the terrain, obscuring the sectors of the divisional radar.
    The only way for an air defense system to work over the horizon is to use a missile defense system with an active radar seeker, moreover, providing a correction of their trajectory according to data from external sources (those that see the target). That is, the task of the battalion's control room in this case is to receive data about the target "outside", develop correction commands, transmit them to the missile defense system and bring these missile defense commands to an area of ​​1-2 km from the target, in which it will capture the target of its ARLGSN.
  43. SPB.RU
    SPB.RU 20 November 2019 19: 09
    +1
    This expert is not aware that the S-400 is integrated, but do they see radar stations thousands of kilometers beyond the horizon? :)
  44. Romanenko
    Romanenko 20 November 2019 19: 54
    +1
    To school, everybody to school, USEshniks are Pshekovo, dumb and illiterate.
    Or maybe it is better for us, firstly, there are flaws in modern education, there is nothing to copy from there - there are some results. And secondly, let them think that the S-400 radar can only see in a straight line, if something happens, wean it from stupidity.
    At their expense.
  45. Lelek
    Lelek 20 November 2019 20: 11
    +1
    (The masts available in the S-400 can raise the radar to a height of no more than 25 meters, which indicates that the complex is not able to "see" at the declared distance.)

    And you take a chance. Donate a couple of eroplanes, try to break the border. As for the detection range, then listen less blah blah aunt Zosi. bully
  46. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 20 November 2019 22: 33
    +1
    So what is the bottom line? Hot breath of the Russian bear on the neck or blind anti-aircraft systems?
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  48. Andrey Zhapov
    Andrey Zhapov 21 November 2019 07: 41
    0
    Interesting guys. The electronics for the S-400 are lousy, but for the Iskander it means very good? Hey, guys, polyata, grenades mean different systems. No words, only drooling.
  49. Evil echo
    Evil echo 21 November 2019 17: 16
    0
    [quote] Russian anti-aircraft missile systems are based on Soviet and Russian electronics, significantly lagging behind the American [/ quote]
    Because of this, the garden was piled up, and the Iskander finally does not bullet beyond line of sight. Sleep peacefully gentlemen.
  50. bbss
    bbss 21 November 2019 17: 52
    0
    For the Polish winged hussars, the S-400 (as well as the S-500) is not dangerous ... It's just that they are no more. Some experts remained.