In Israel: Palestinians deployed rocket with 400 kilogram warhead

Israeli media continue to analyze the country's security situation. To new weapon Islamic radicals draws attention to the information resource "Mako."

We are talking about a missile called the Burkan, one of which fell not so long ago on the territory of the Eshkol Regional Council, which is located next to the Gaza Strip. According to Mako, the explosion left a funnel with a diameter of sixteen meters and a depth of two. This is much more than damage from a conventional rocket that periodically explodes on the lands of Israel.

This Palestinian weapon has a short range - 3-5 kilometers, but is allegedly equipped with a warhead weighing 400 kg. The power of such weapons is enormous, the article says, and it is within its power to destroy concrete structures and fortifications, housing estates, and Israeli military installations.

Missiles (more like a missile) are probably made outside of Gaza. The Israelis have a fear that the Palestinians may increase their range to 10 kilometers. At the same time, the short flight time gives few opportunities to intercept the Burkans, and in production they are surprisingly cheap - it is estimated that one unit costs approximately 300-400 US dollars.

It is also indicated that the Israeli Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on the appearance of such destructive weapons in the Gaza Strip, if they are really there.

Ballistic missiles of the same name, the Burkan, are used by the Hussites in Yemen. However, it deals with completely different systems with a significantly greater range - tens and even hundreds of kilometers.

Comments

[svp67]

This Palestinian weapon has a short range - 3-5 kilometers, but is allegedly equipped with a warhead weighing 400 kg.

Almost half a ton of explosives ... that's a lot. And so far, as I understand it, it saves a lot, then the range is small. But, honestly, it still raises the question: "Where does Zin's money come from?" Even assuming the relative cheapness of such a rocket, you still need to get them from where to get them, both for development and for manufacturing, and of course for training and payment for the work of calculations.

[Professor]

Money from the Islamic State of Iran, from the EU and from Qatar, which transfers 30 lamas of greens per month.

There is an effective missile defense system against this and other missiles. Called D-9.

[svp67]

Quote: professor

Called D-9.

I'm afraid that for him almost "half a ton of explosives" is too much

[Professor]

Quote: svp67

Quote: professor

Called D-9.

I'm afraid that for him almost "half a ton of explosives" is too much

D-9 on the positions of the Philistines is an effective missile defense.

[Vadivak]

Quote: professor

D-9 on the positions of the Philistines is an effective missile defense.

That is yes. The best air defense tanks at the enemy airfield

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vadivak

That is yes. The best air defense tanks at the enemy airfield

They are afraid of the opinion of the "international community", therefore, this option is unacceptable for them.

[Shurik70]

Quote: professor

Money from the Islamic State of Iran

And where does the money for the attacks in Iran come from?
Both explosions in the crowd and "targeted" - with the murder of scientists, politicians

[Charik]

from the Zionist state of Israel

[Gray brother]

Quote: professor

Money from the Islamic State of Iran,

Iran like Hezbollah supports, not Hamas. They generally have a war among themselves.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gray Brother

They generally have a war among themselves.

They do not bother with such nonsense.
The Israeli agitprop ruled that Iran was to blame.

This is like the Americans. The attack was carried out by the Saudis, Emirates, Egyptian and Lebanese under the wise guidance of the Saudis and with the money of the Saudis, however, an American court ruled that Iran and, in particular, the IRGC were guilty, and decided to rob their bank accounts.

[Professor]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: professor

Money from the Islamic State of Iran,

Iran like Hezbollah supports, not Hamas. They generally have a war among themselves.

This is the rare case when Shiites support Sunnis.

[Gray brother]

Quote: professor

This is the rare case when Shiites support Sunnis.

Perhaps I won’t believe you. There is Qatar, there is a CA, Hamas is fighting in Syria on the side of bearded democrats.

[Nikolai Grek]

when you help the terrorist pseudo-opposition in Syria, then it’s fine ... but how did the return line arrive, I didn’t like it !!!

[Atenon]

It is true that they help, the people who survived the horrors of the Nazis, undeservedly received foreign land and treated its population in the same way, and sometimes worse than the Nazis deserve such gifts.

[Binder]

Quote: svp67

begs the question: "Where does Zin's money come from?" Even assuming the relative cheapness of such a rocket, you still need to take them from where

Elementary Watson. Palestinian terror has sponsors - Iran, Syria, Qatar, and other Muslim countries.

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

Almost half a ton of explosives ... that's a lot.

This is still a bit. The children in Syria have gained enormous experience in this area thanks to Israel’s Main Ally and to Israel itself. And therefore, the Jewish state is expected to have fun times ...
No good deed goes unpunished

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Almost half a ton of explosives ... that's a lot.

It can be called more simply "Flying Landmine".

[Alexander Petrov1]

Yeah practically "Vow2".

[evgen1221]

What else did they expect? Do not hammer the Palestinians and after some time will stop flying.

[Ural-4320]

And our patrols hollowed someone at the Kurds? A bottle flew into Typhoon. It seems that there are people in the world who do not care for whom and for what to shoot / throw / kill.
"For us, Tatars, that vodka, that a machine gun - if only knocked down." ©

[SovAr238A]

Quote: evgen1221

What else did they expect? Do not hammer the Palestinians and after some time will stop flying.

Lies.
How many dozens of times has Israel made a truce with the Palestinians?
millions probably.
And there was always a Palestinopithecus who was eager to leave for the Guria. and they started to shoot the Israelis first ...
First you read about the gas sector more closely ...

There, people have never worked, and they receive money for life precisely from the hands of the PLO, which are accountable for this money - by the facts of attacks on Israel ...

[basmach]

Well, do not here about the poor white and furry peace-loving Israelis. I now have a tear of tenderness run. Or maybe remember the 1948 massacre and even better, let's see the Torah. You are unlikely to find a more sadistic tribal deity requiring the killing of infidels (i.e., unfaithful Jews). For example, the story of the king of Israel Saul. By the way, as a reward, the Jewish god promises to give all the kingdoms to the faithful Jews, and the infidels to slavery. And do not translate arrows into Islam. And you think that after such a program of genocide, someone should love you. And to observe some kind of agreements (which you don’t put in anything and you yourself violate if necessary). What are you talking about? You have a war there until the complete destruction of one of the parties. And it is unlikely that this side will be the Arabs.

[abc_alex]

Quote: basmach

give all the kingdoms to the faithful Jews, and the infidels to slavery

Well, since you climbed into Judaism, do not forget to say that a Jew is not an ethnic definition, but a confessional one. And then after all, to honor you, because there is no greater Nazi in the world than an Israeli.
And from the bottom of my heart I advise you not to start commenting on the Torah right off the bat. The Jews themselves understand it as one in 10 thousand, and just from the outside there can be so much “to see” that three Holocaust is enough.

[Bukhalov]

Quote: evgen1221

What else did they expect? Do not hammer the Palestinians and after some time will stop flying.

The realities of the Middle East say just the opposite: as soon as a state shows weakness, it will be immediately destroyed. What for example threatened Kuwait - Iraq? Or Iran to Iraq. But at the time of the victory of the Islamic revolution in Tehran, Iraq decided that Iran was weakened. Libya's weakness essentially ended with its actual liquidation. What can we say about Israel. Arabs would gladly destroy the Jewish state. But adequate responses from Israel beat off desire along with hot heads. Keep it up and no other way!

[certero]

If they are about a rocket in the photo, then it doesn’t smell any half tons.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: certero

it doesn’t smell any half tons.

But it smacks of anti-Semitism.

[rocket757]

Will it last until agreed ??? means endlessly!
Primitive, destructive wunderwaffles ...
Militarily, nothing simple can be solved! unless it’s really possible to align everything ... exactly, but this is no longer real.

[atalef]

Quote: rocket757

Will it last until agreed?

will agree with the Arabs?
A new joke, now in Syria it seems like silence - the time has come for negotiations ---- you will like it.
no one to negotiate with.

[rocket757]

It’s a difficult question in general, and even when sponsors curl from all sides, oooh, the question is never solved.

[atalef]

Quote: rocket757

It’s a difficult question at all, and when the sponsors curl from all sides,

what the fuck are the sponsors?
This is a mentality, an Arab mentality.
This is not Switzerland for you.

Quote: rocket757

oooh, the question is never solved.

Wellcome Tu de Club.

[rocket757]

"And yet it turns!" ... there are interested parties from all sides! Who care less about the life and opinions of people living there.
Although a bonfire to heaven, even a smoldering bonfire, it requires feeding.

[abc_alex]

Quote: atalef

will agree with the Arabs?
A new joke, now in Syria it seems like silence - the time has come for negotiations ---- you will like it.
no one to negotiate with.

Where is the silence there? In the north, Turks in the east are shtatovtsy.

[Dmitry Vinner]

= Will it last until agreed ??? means endlessly! =
This will last until a heavy Iranian rocket from Gaza flies into the window of an apartment building, school or kindergarten. And there will be big casualties. Then it will end very quickly.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dmitry Winner

Then it will end very quickly.

Ага.
The Israelis are very furious, they will start bombing Gaza and maybe even troops will be brought in. Then shouts from Washington, Brussels and European capitals will follow, and all gestures will stop. Until the next beat with the heel in the chest.
This happens regularly.

[Dmitry Vinner]

No comments

[However, dear]

So yes, the history of Israel teaches that its neighbors come to terms with it after it has been beaten: Egypt, Jordan. While money from Iran is dripping, and Israel is not beating hard in the hope of reaching an agreement, this will continue indefinitely with Gaza, but until the first big victims in Israel.

[Lopatov]

Quote: However, Dear

So yes, the history of Israel teaches that its neighbors come to terms with it after it has been beaten: Egypt, Jordan.

Yeah .... So, they didn’t beat Syria?
Everything is much, much simpler. Only those paid by the Americans agree with Israel. Egypt is paid, Jordan is paid. And Syria is not.

Quote: However, Dear

While the money from Iran is dripping

And I heard that the "Muslim Brothers" are paid by the US allies, that is, Qatar and the Saudis. Not Iran. Which is actually at war with them. In Syria.

[However, dear]

[quote] [Yeah .... It turns out that they did not beat Syria? / quote]
Is there a war with Syria? The quietest neighbor lately, hammering each other there. Iran is just climbing.
[quote] Everything is much, much simpler. Only those paid by the Americans agree with Israel. Egypt is paid, Jordan is paid. And Syria, no. [/ Quote]
This is a great simplification. More correctly - Egypt and Jordan are partners of the United States and receive all kinds of benefits. And Syria, represented by Assad, is not a partner of the United States, and accordingly has what it has.
[Quote] And I heard that the "Muslim Brothers" are paid by the US allies, that is, Qatar and the Saudis. Not Iran. [/ quote]
So, this, east is a delicate matter. This does not change the meaning. This money goes to confrontation with Israel, as well as part of the humanitarian aid, too.

[Lopatov]

Quote: However, Dear

Is there a war with Syria?

Street question.
Is there really a war with Syria?

Quote: However, Dear

This is a great simplification.

But it’s true. And the signing of peace agreements was facilitated by American money, and not the incredible victoriousness of Israel.

Quote: However, Dear

So, this, east is a delicate matter. wink Sense it does not change.

Even as it changes.
It shows how much Americans really do not care about Israel. Because Qatar, the Saudis, and both in terms of security are almost completely dependent on the United States, and to press on the authorities of these countries with demands to stop financing for Americans to spit.

But they just do not want to even complicate their lives to the minimum for the Israelis. Just like, for example, they do not want to fight the production of drugs in Afghanistan. Which for the most part goes to Europe. Destroying US Allies

[However, dear]

Street question.
Is there really a war with Syria?

There is no peace, but no war either. Well, not like Russia and Japan, but nonetheless a calm border.

The signing of the peace agreements was facilitated by American money, not the incredible victoriousness of Israel.

Israel has won all wars. It is a fact. The fact is that the great powers stopped Israel near Cairo and Damascus. The Americans never fought for him. Money was given and is still given for weapons only, as well as political support. America helps its allies, as it once helped the USSR against the Germans. It turns out that the "victoriousness" of the USSR is also partly on American money? What is the meaning of the reproach? That America is rich and can buy a lot for money to advance its interests? If money can buy it is always cheaper than fighting.

Even as it changes.
It shows how much Americans really do not care about Israel. Because Qatar, the Saudis, and both in terms of security are almost completely dependent on the United States, and to press on the authorities of these countries with demands to stop financing for Americans to spit.

But they just do not want to even complicate their lives to the minimum for the Israelis. Just like, for example, they do not want to fight the production of drugs in Afghanistan. Which for the most part goes to Europe. Destroying US Allies

Yes, the world is not perfect, and so is America. But there is no other America in the world, and better too.

[rocket757]

Quote: Dmitry Winner

Then it will end very quickly.

Yes, yes, after a while everything WILL GO IN NEW!
The fire will not be allowed to die out, and there are plenty of firewoods around there.

[knn54]

I wonder if there was something "similar" in Balakleya?

[Thrifty]

Well, if this is the rocket in the photo, then the maximum there is a kilogram of 150 centuries, although this is too much, you can easily demolish a residential building. So, the Israelis must create a layered air defense system, and not only they need to create missile systems, but also their analogues of our shells

[Professor]

Quote: Thrifty

Well, if it's the rocket in the photo, then the maximum there is a kilogram of 150 centuries,

No. We have a standard solar boiler on 250 liters. This one looks twice as big. 500 kg of TNT is 312 liters. Total 312 liters.

400 kg is just a standard boiler.

[Thrifty]

At your side, not a workshop for the production of such weapons comes out ... And where and how much explosives are delivered there ??? ..

[Professor]

Quote: Thrifty

At your side, not a workshop for the production of such weapons comes out ... And where and how much explosives are delivered there ??? ..

I can build explosives at home from improvised means, but I will never. And how not to supply fertilizers and boilers to the Fylystins? They are children.

[cost]

I don't want to wang, Oleg, but I'm afraid in the end you will have to create 10-20 km. "Security zone, like the Turks in Syria. Resolutions and sanctions are possible, but in the end the state is obliged to protect its citizens

[Professor]

Quote: Rich

I don't want to wang, Oleg, but I'm afraid in the end you will have to create 10-20 km. "Security zone, like the Turks in Syria. Resolutions and sanctions are possible, but in the end the state is obliged to protect its citizens

Not. We forgive the liquidation of Hamas’s power and leave Gaza. Until next time.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

A couple more years and the tank will fly

[lucul]

This Palestinian weapon has a short range - 3-5 kilometers, but is allegedly equipped with a warhead weighing 400 kg.

This is some kind of fierce nonsense. Just like the recent shelling, where the 122mm land mine, bursting at the intersection, did not even leave scratches on the asphalt.
We would like the barmalei to attack for real - for a long time they would have found and used Tochka-U.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: lucul

This is some kind of fierce nonsense. Just like the recent shelling, where the 122mm land mine, bursting at the intersection, did not leave even a scratch.

You're not right. Oleg Sokolov (Professor) put a photo where the funnel is clearly visible. In addition, Alexey (Voyaka) added that the shell was filled with elements to defeat people. Therefore, the funnel is not big.

[Professor]

Quote: lucul

This is some kind of fierce nonsense. Just like the recent shelling, where 122mm land mine, bursting at the intersection, even scratch on the pavement did not leave.

Yah? According to your 6.5 kg of TNT should have left a funnel in 10 m?

[cost]

This is some kind of fierce nonsense. Just like the recent shelling, where the 122mm land mine, bursting at the intersection, did not even leave scratches on the asphalt

It depends on what type of fuse and what the stuffing of a high-explosive shell is one, shrapnel is another

[Shahno]

Yes, the funnel was really like that.
Only warhead weight seemed less voiced. 200 kg, it seems so ..
Given the reaction time of the LCD to 10 km from the border is very serious.

[Old26]

Quote: certero

If they are about a rocket in the photo, then it doesn’t smell any half tons.

But why. After all, no one says that there are half a ton of explosives, which may not fit there. A warhead can also be a high-explosive fragmentation. A hundred kilograms of explosives, 2-3 hundreds of kilograms of fragments
It seems that the opposition fired similar shells on Assad’s troops.

Quote: Thrifty

So, the Israelis must create a layered air defense system, and not only they need to create missile systems, but also their analogues of our shells

Well, against such a fool who, after burning out the fuel, flies like a balvanka, the shells will be ineffective. An interceptor missile can be created, but the price of such an interceptor will be hundreds or thousands of times more than this homemade product. The Israelis have only one thing left. A shot of such a superweapon was detected - there are counter-battery warfare radars, such as our "Zoo", which can prolong the treajectory. The launch point was fixed - a salvo of MLRS. Maybe then the residents will understand that the extremists, hiding behind any slogans, including slogans about independence, bring them not liberation, but suffering and death. After all, they most often choose the launch site on the basis that the response will arrive and get to the school, hospital.

[Andrey VOV]

It takes very little time to start such a crap, if they have time to pinpoint, and when they pinpoint, while the team passes, then, for example, on a pickup truck they are already drying up far away, as a result, civilians will die .. and their death will not affect further shelling

[Thrifty]

Thread Tools Old 26 -barrelled small-caliber but with a high rate of fire artillery there is needed to work on homemade items such as ticket offices. ..cheaper comes out than naughty rockets from their dome.

[KCA]

"Shell" is "Shell-C1"? So he has passive IR guidance, an auxiliary, main radar

[Sky strike fighter]

Well, against such a fool who, after burning up fuel, flies like a shell of a shell, will be ineffective. A missile interceptor can be created, but the price of such an interceptor will be hundreds or thousands of times higher than this homemade product.

A shell with new cheap small-sized, but effective missiles will be very handy.

The arsenal of Russian air defense systems will be replenished with a unique small-sized anti-aircraft missile. The ammunition was created taking into account the experience in the use of the Panzer anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex (SAM) in Syria. These small maneuverable missiles are capable of effectively hitting most small-sized targets - including improvised drones and multiple rocket launchers. For a fairly miniature size, the novelty has already received the nickname “nail” from the military. Four "nails" are installed in one full-time launch container of the "Shell".

The missile is equipped with a detachable powder accelerator in flight with a lightweight body made of composite materials. The engine is installed only on the accelerating stage, and after its separation the product flies by inertia.

First of all, we are talking about the interception of small drones and single unguided missiles. To combat such goals, it is possible to use a full-time “Shell” missile, but too expensive, ”the specialist explained. - That is why the development of a simpler “budget” rocket was required. It will be inferior to the standard range, but it will be more maneuverable. Her combat characteristics are enough to cope with the tasks facing her.

https://iz.ru/695679/aleksandr-kruglov-nikolai-surkov/pantciri-vooruzhili-zenitnymi-gvozdiami

[Gray brother]

Quote: Old26

there are counter-battery warfare radars, such as our "Zoo", which can prolong the treajectory

And to cover an empty position, such things can be easily leveled with the help of a programmer from an old washing machine.

[Old26]

Quote: Andrey VOV

It takes very little time to start such a crap, if they have time to pinpoint, and when they pinpoint, while the team passes, then, for example, on a pickup truck they are already drying up far away, as a result, civilians will die .. and their death will not affect further shelling

That's the whole problem, Andrey. As Hezbollah and Hamas have done more than once. A truck with launcher rails approaches the school. The "fool" flies off towards Israel. Truck on gas - and rip claws. And the otvetka arrives at the school.
Or how often it was described that the headquarters of the same Hamas is located, for example, on the 6 floor of the 12 floor house. On the 5 and 7 floors - civilians. Any attempt to destroy the headquarters led to the deaths of civilians and to howl in the newspapers ...

Quote: Thrifty

Thread Tools Old 26 -barrelled small-caliber but with a high rate of fire artillery there is needed to work on homemade items such as ticket offices. ..cheaper comes out than naughty rockets from their dome.

Cheaper. But those "Kassams" from the water pipes are long gone. Now they already have Iranian MLRS of 200-300 mm caliber. And even missiles like "Fatah-110", "zeyzal" and the like. And to shoot at them from a small-caliber is problematic. I would still understand if there was something like the American Vulcan or our AK-630s. at least there was a sheaf of shells. And from a single-barrel or double-barreled gun - an unlikely defeat

Quote: lucul

We would like the barmalei to attack for real - for a long time they would have found and used Tochka-U.

So you need to find her. They do not lie on the road there and do not grow on palm trees. And to intercept "Tochka" is much easier than this homemade product

[Thrifty]

Old 26 - they need analogues of our ship six-barrels.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Thrifty

Old 26 - they need analogues of our ship six-barrels.

They had them in the amount of 100 pieces from the late 60s / early 70s ...

They were removed from service as backward and outdated.
Watch M163.

[vonWolfenstein]

Soon to FAU-2 will grow at such a pace

[Yaro Polk]

And as they wanted, they would endlessly slaughter these Palestinians with impunity, they also did not sit idle, they developed their missiles in the dungeons of Pts.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Yaro Polk

slaughter these Palestinians with impunity

This is a view from Voronezh

Quote: Yaro Polk

those also do not sit idle, develop their missiles

Not very fast, if faster, FASTER this whole almshouse would have ended.

[Fraracol_2]

The most common terrorists. Softness towards them is inappropriate.

[Old26]

Quote: Thrifty

Old 26 - they need analogues of our ship six-barrels.

Well, not necessarily ours. The Americans have a seven-barreled cannon on the A-10, there are EMNIP multi-barreled "Goalkeepers". The question is size.

Quote: Yaro Polk

And as they wanted, they would endlessly slaughter these Palestinians with impunity, they also did not sit idle, they developed their missiles in the dungeons of Pts.

Palestinians themselves still have that chaos in their head. No one prevented them from creating Jews in parallel with the Jews in the late 40s. But they felt that it would be better for them if they multiplied the Jews by zero. Failed. And almost until the end of the 20th century, in addition to peaceful Palestinians, there were military organizations. Who set a goal - the war with Israel. So it turns out that part of the Palestinians can coexist peacefully with the Jews, and the second, apart from the war, cannot imagine anything.

And in principle, I didn’t hear that it was the Jews who were the first to start shelling Palestinian territory. On the contrary. Then the situation reached a boiling point, Israel sent troops, organized a sweep, and again, for some time, the intensity decreased ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Old26

Palestinians themselves still have that chaos in their head. No one prevented them from creating Jews in parallel with the Jews in the late 40s.

This is not the first time I've been writing this.
Among the large mass of not very educated and aggressive opponents, to the great joy there are those who understand what they are writing about.
YOU are right, but today the situation is even worse than it was in 40 years.
There are a large number of different "liberators of Palestine" who feed different countries, who is more than who is less. each has its own feeder.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Fatah, Hamas, Palestine Liberation Popular Front (PFLP), Palestinian Democratic Liberation Front (PFLP), PFLP - High Command, Palestinian National Initiative (PNI), Palestinian People's Party (formerly Palestinian Communist Party), As -Saika ”(Ba'athist party), Palestinian Liberation Front, Palestinian Popular Front (left-wing nationalist party) and Palestinian Democratic Union.
And this rabble solves the problem of the destruction of Israel.
The last attack on Israel was carried out by Islamic jihad and this is the FIRST time that Hamas did not hold it.
And many pretend in the world that they know how to negotiate with Israel, but no one understands that this flock of which I npsps cannot agree among themselves.

[Slavs]

Quote: Old26

Nobody prevented them from creating Jews in parallel with the Jews in the late 40's.

Where?

[taiga2018]

Any state, even an unrecognized one, has the right to retaliate against the invaders ...

[atalef]

Quote: taiga2018

Any state, even an unrecognized one, has the right to retaliate against the invaders.

Are you talking about Kurds?

[Professor]

Quote: atalef

Are you talking about Kurds?

About Ichkeria.

[Okolotochny]

And where is she, professor? Your Ichkeria, where is she? Multiplied by zero. Are you offended by them? For Khattab, Basayev? So name the streets in your capital Tel Aviv in their honor.

[However, dear]

If Israel could afford it with Gaza ... it would also be multiplied by zero.

[Romka47]

Ay ay professor, a couple of months ago you said that "EVERYONE WHO SHOOTS AT THE SOLDIER ON THE TERRITORY OF ITS TERRORIST STATE" Ichkeria is the territory of the Russian Federation. Not that YOU think that terrorists Ichkeriaeven the unrecognized, has the right to retaliate against the invaders.

[Professor]

Quote: Romka47

Ay ay professor, a couple of months ago you said that "EVERYONE WHO SHOOTS AT THE SOLDIER ON THE TERRITORY OF ITS TERRORIST STATE" Ichkeria is the territory of the Russian Federation. Not that YOU think that terrorists Ichkeriaeven the unrecognized, has the right to retaliate against the invaders.

Where did I write about the right to shoot Russian soldiers?

[Romka47]

No, not you and not in plain text, but you have added a comment .... have the right to shoot .....
a specific unrecognized state of Ichkeria, its militants shot after all at the soldiers of the Russian Federation.
Maybe I didn’t understand you correctly, then I apologize, I just didn’t see another meaning.

[Professor]

Quote: Romka47

No, not you and not in plain text, but you have added a comment .... have the right to shoot .....
a specific unrecognized state of Ichkeria, its militants shot after all at the soldiers of the Russian Federation.
Maybe I didn’t understand you correctly, then I apologize, I just didn’t see another meaning.

Explicitly misunderstood.

[Romka47]

Then sorry professor
I think it doesn’t seem like you with your attitude to illegal armed groups.

[Old26]

Quote: taiga2018

Any state, even an unrecognized one, has the right to retaliate against the invaders ...

Yes they do. It's just that it’s not clear who and when will start again.

[However, dear]

Plus, the namesake.

[Shahno]

Quote: Dmitry Winner

= Will it last until agreed ??? means endlessly! =
This will last until a heavy Iranian rocket from Gaza flies into the window of an apartment building, school or kindergarten. And there will be big casualties. Then it will end very quickly.

Yes. Here you are right.
But why should they?

[Dmitry Vinner]

The trouble is that war does not always erupt at the request of its participants. A small mistake on either side will force the Israeli government to move the army to Gaza. It simply cannot explain the reason for its restraint to its people.

[However, dear]

When and if Trump cancels their refugee status (in the 4th generation!), When they become a state (soon!) - then Gaza can declare war and defeat them. In the meantime, it’s not comme il faut to beat them, and you need to pour Jewish blood first, so that it would be, like a moral right, to beat back, like self-defense. Here is a parsley ...

[KJIETyc]

It is interesting to read the discussions on how best to level the land to the occupying Israelis Palestine, part of which they captured after the Second World War.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: KJIETyc

part of which they captured after the Second World War.

Show on the map that they captured and write to whom it belonged please.
And then we continue.
And from la-la to kissel tv.

[Dym71]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And from la-la to kissel tv.

Wow! Mar Gusin, yes, as I look, you are an admirer of non-living UkroSMI?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dym71

Wow! Mar Gusin, yes you, as I look, an admirer of non-living UkroSMI

I do not understand what are you talking about?
All I wrote:

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Show on the map that they captured and write to whom it belonged please.

He did not answer me, but you wrote that it was not intelligible.
And I decided to write. then for whatever reason you don’t want to write.
As everyone knows in 1948, the UN plan to partition Palestine provided for the termination of the British Mandate in Palestine and the creation on its territory of two unnamed states: Jewish and arabic.
On May 14, 1948, on the day the Mandate ended, independence of the State of Israel was proclaimed, and on May 15, regular units of the armies of the five LAS countries invaded Palestine with the aim of the destruction of the new Jewish state and the creation in Palestine of a “single Arab state entity”
I hope you will not argue with this fact?
As a result of the war of independence and West Jerusalem were occupied by Jews and annexed to the State of Israel.
Judea and Samaria were busy and unilaterally annexed by Transjordan (Jordan after their annexation in 1950, which gave them the name "West Bank", to distinguish it from the east bank - its territory before the war.
Jordanian unilateral annexation was condemned by many countries, including most members of the League of Arab States. USSR recognized the legality of annexation
From the point of view of international law The west bank of the Jordan River was under Jordanian occupation. From this territory were expelled ALL Jews and all synagogues destroyed. The UN has not even considered this.

In 1967, during the Six Day War, the area of ​​Judea and Samaria was occupied by Israel.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
For centuries, a loser, always losing something.
In 1618, a truce was signed between the Russians and the Poles, according to which Russia lost Smolensk.
1654 - 1667 - The Russian-Polish war. Russians and Cossacks won a victory over the Poles. The result of the war - went to Russia Smolensk and all the lands lost in troubled times, Left-bank Ukraine and Kiev.
1722 - 1723 - Russian-Persian war. He won the confrontation between Persia and Russia. . Thanks to this, the state received in its possession Caspian lands with the cities of Derbent, Baku, Rasht.
Well, about a closer time, I will not write.
And YOU ISRAEL SITS IN THE THROAT.
Relax and take care of your country.

[Dmitry Vinner]

The Iranian Burkan missile was first used in Syria in 2013. It was used in Syria and Iraq for combat in urban areas. The destruction caused colossal

[Freeman]

We are talking about a missile called the Burkan, one of which fell not so long ago on the territory of the Eshkol Regional Council, which is located next to the Gaza Strip. According to Mako, the explosion left a funnel with a diameter of sixteen meters and a depth of two. This is much more than damage from a conventional rocket that periodically explodes on the lands of Israel.

Attention! not the "Burkan" / "Volcano" / that in the photo was used, but its further development.
/ The Syrian "Burkan" really has nothing to do with the Yemeni. /

The largest system of this family seems to have a caliber in the region of 400-450 mm, and large-caliber Iranian missiles are possibly used to create rockets for it. Due to its large size, a launcher with only one rail for such a missile is placed on the truck.
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/243593.html

Here is the installation of the Syrian government forces.

Video - how "IT" works.



Clearly - this is what the burkan crater looks like (16x2 m.)

[Okolotochny]

In what year did the ATS Army use this?

[Freeman]

Quote: Okolotochny

In what year did the ATS Army use this?

In 2013, in Damascus. Since then, the "wunderwaflu" could be modernized.

A funnel photo refers to the stroke described in the article.
from here:
https://stmegi.com/posts/75521/izrail-obstrelyali-raketoy-s-boegolovkoy-vesom-v-400-kg/

[Evil543]

Funnel like from fab500

[7,62x54]

I wish the Palestinians strength and courage to free their land from the Jewish occupiers.

[Hey]

May there be no peace between Arabs and Israelis. As they consider everything that everyone has the truth is true. The Israelis refer to a thousand-year history, as if then these lands belonged to them. Arabs believe that these lands never belonged to the Israelis. If you recall how the modern Israeli state was formed, a lot of interesting things emerge. For example, you can write anything you like thousands of years ago, because there are no genuine documents of that era (due to the old age). Later documents can be composed and forged in the right way. And since the Jews persecuted the people, they were interested in justifying the ownership of these lands. It was important for them to take the first step, to consolidate, in this chosen territory. What the Jews can do best is to trade, change, make deals. Somewhere in the 20-30 years of the last century, they buy from the Arabs a number of small territories. Everyone hooked. And these lands formed the basis of the current state of Israel, created with the active participation of the USSR. Further war expansion of territories. So the question is, whose land is it. Traditional history refers them from a historical point of view to Israeli ones. Arabs claim that they owned these lands from time immemorial and never before until the last century did these territories belong to Jews.
The answers to this question are in the alternative history, in the bible itself, in some artifacts preserved after cleaning by traditional historians.
You can throw stones at me and minus. I will briefly say the territory of the so-called Israel - the Khazar Kaganate, a promised land and not a desert with rare oases. Where did Cain go across the river Don where he got married (Adam and Eve had only two sons in the beginning). On the Don have always lived and live mainly Russian created as it is written in the Bible on the sixth day of the creation of the world. There are many confirmations of my words. A small example of a painting by a medieval artist, quite famous at that time, (I beg your pardon, I can’t remember his last name right off the bat). "Flight to Egypt". On it, Egypt is represented by a forest with spruces and birches, and mushrooms grow under the trees. And where it is clearly guessed - Egypt is Russia.
And whoever has the strength, the Arabs with their genetic memory to defend their lands or the Jews with their desire to make their new state, he will win this war. And whoever has the truth, as one hero of a good movie said, he will win.

[voyaka uh]

"Flight to Egypt". On it, Egypt is represented by a forest with spruces and birches, and mushrooms grow under the trees. "////
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There is such a science - archeology. Several treasures of coins have been found in Israel,
where the mixed coins of ancient Egypt and the kingdom of Judea. On some Egyptian
hieroglyphs, on the second - inscriptions in Hebrew.
So Egypt is in Egypt, and the kingdom of Judea was vassal of the kingdom of Egypt.
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The Khazars are a Turkic people who converted to Judaism about 1300 years ago. In ancient times, other nations accepted Judaism: Canaanites, Berbers ...
But Jews are a tribe that came from the Sumerian kingdom to Judea much earlier: 2500 years ago.

[Hey]

There is such a science - archeology. Several treasures of coins have been found in Israel,

I will not argue with you, you clearly state the traditional history, and concerning ancient times. Licked and cleaned up quite thoroughly by many historians. History - Literally from the torah. Hebrew word. And the Jews made every effort to create it.
As for the treasures, on our land, whose only coins are not there, but from this the Russian land remains Russian. And the fact that in Jerusalem all the "old" churches are a replica of the 19th century.
Therefore, I understand the Jews that they want their new state, and since they are a smart nation, they go from far away and lay the foundation for their Wishlist, hoping that they will be forgotten over time. If you do not deeply drop into the history of several centuries of everything. Where Jews lived the most, (in a modern way) Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Russia. Not far from your haganate. Well, very far from Palestine. And if so many Jews lived near the Arab lands then, I am sure that the state of Israel would have existed there for a long time without outside help.

[voyaka uh]

"History - literally from the Torah. Hebrew word" ////
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Archaeologists do not rely on the Torah, Quran or other books or manuscripts as truth.
And only on the items found: shards, coins, jewelry. And they look what is depicted on them. And these signs determine the appearance and disappearance of states.
In Israel, artifacts confirming the existence of the Egyptian, Judean, Babylonian kingdoms are found at every step and in the same layers deep underground.
Even if the Torah did not exist, the relationship of the Ancient Egyptian kingdom and the kingdom of Judea would be clearly proven.

[Bukhalov]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Flight to Egypt". On it, Egypt is represented by a forest with spruces and birches, and mushrooms grow under the trees. "////
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There is such a science - archeology. Several treasures of coins have been found in Israel,
where the mixed coins of ancient Egypt and the kingdom of Judea. On some Egyptian
hieroglyphs, on the second - inscriptions in Hebrew.
So Egypt is in Egypt, and the kingdom of Judea was vassal of the kingdom of Egypt.
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Khazars - Turkic people who converted to Judaism for about 1300 years

But....
Jews never lived in the time described by you in Russia. And did not seek to live in this country. The Jews found themselves in the Republic of Ingushetia, at the same time, say, tolerantly with the accession of the territories of present-day Poland, Belarus, and Romania. Almost all the Jews of Poland moved there from Germany, where they were evicted by the Romans after the destruction of the second Jerusalem temple. From the same world of dreams and fantasies, you gathered information that the Khazars allegedly accepted Judaism. Such a nice person has never been. The Khazars, as they were pagans for the most part, remained so until their disappearance. And Judaism was adopted by the narrow top of the Khazar Khaganate. Therefore, the language of European Jews - Yiddish, clearly does not resemble the Turkic language, which explained the very, well, Khazars. Although it is possible that some miserable part of the Khazar nobility was assimilated by the Jews, like a tiny community of Caucasian Tats, for example, or Russian Pentecostals, Ethiopian dummies. All these ethnic groups taken together did not number one hundred thousand. So modern Jews are descendants of ancient Jews. And if we take, say, the German Jew Kissinger, then it is easy to visually find outward resemblance to Zhirinovsky, or, say, Valentin Zorin. The haplograms of the Jews, of all Jewish communities are the same. And the outward dissimilarity is explained by the climate of those countries where the Jews were in Galut. The assimilation of Jews began only in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But this process was also not total, since the Jewish Aliya of the 19th century in the territory of modern Israel was exclusively Jewish. Plus, the majority of the population of that time in Palestine was again Jewish. And in general, what’s your post about the Jews, when did the article talk about shelling of Israeli territory by Islamic terrorists?

[Dym71]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Flight to Egypt". It depicts Egypt as a forest with spruces and birches, and mushrooms grow under the trees. "

You shouldn’t be in vain, Aleksey is delaying, found a picture of entu, see for yourself: ate, birch, are present and everything should be in order with mushrooms, well, such a place without mushrooms

[voyaka uh]

Natural Egypt! Pyramids are not visible behind the birches.
At the end of the path the river Nile flows, oops ... Don, of course.
But this is all nonsense compared with St. Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg.
If you aren’t in the know, they didn’t build it, but dug it ready from mud and sand.
And it was built by unknown ancient giants. I suspect that these were the ancient Slavs. Who else? In ancient times, the labor of tamed mammoths on public buildings was widely used. Here are the mammoths of the column of Isaac and put upright. After all, man cannot do this. Is it logical? - is logical. And logical, then true.

[Dym71]

Quote: voyaka uh

Pyramids are not visible behind the birches.

How clumsy you are, Alex
MUD writes:

Quote: MUD

"Flight to Egypt". On it, Egypt is represented by a forest with spruces and birches, and mushrooms grow under the trees. And where it is clearly guessed - Egypt is Russia.

That is, the flight itself takes place in Russia, what kind of pyramids?
Did you feel it?

[voyaka uh]

"and mushrooms grow under the trees" ////
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ABOUT! Now it is clear.
Have dabbled in mushrooms at all times ...
And on all continents. Here in Canada, moose, having eaten fly agaric, destroy everything in the villages or drown in the swamps.

[Dym71]

Quote: voyaka uh

ABOUT! Now it is clear.

Already better, you can, if you want!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dym71

MUD writes:

Quote: MUD

A small example of a painting by a medieval artist, quite famous at that time, (I beg your pardon, I can’t remember his last name right off the bat). "Flight to Egypt".

Yes, and right away is not necessary, you can still write the author and what he wanted to portray.
But for some reason it seems to me that not today, and in general we will never read it.
But this is known to anyone. who is familiar with the bible
After the magi, having brought their gifts to the baby Jesus, did not return to King Herod, a righteous Joseph appeared in a dream an angel who commanded: "get up, take the Infant and His Mother and run to Egypt, and be there until I tell you, for Herod wants to seek the Infant to destroy Him ”[b] (Matthew 2:13) Joseph fulfilled this order and at night with the Virgin Mary and baby Jesus went to Egypt, where he was until Herod's death.
And on this topic back in the Middle Ages, paintings were painted.
THERE ARE SOME AUTHORS:
“Flight to Egypt” - paintings by I. Patinir A. Elsheimer Rembrandt P. Filonov
HERE AND FAMOUS (but without mushrooms )
"The edge of the forest (Flight to Egypt), Jan Brueghel the Elder
Hermitage. Year: 1610

Description of the picture:
"Ahead is Mary with the baby Jesus, whom she hugs to her with motherly tenderness. Joseph walks beside him, leading a donkey. The family leaves familiar places, ahead is a long and difficult path. The path of Christ, with persecution and trials, prepared for him from birth. A dry, fallen tree in the foreground symbolizes, as it were, that this path will not be easy. "

[Karen]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Joseph fulfilled this order and at night with the Virgin Mary and baby Jesus went to Egypt, where he was until Herod's death.

Sorry ... Actually, Herod passed away 4 years before the accepted date of R.Kh.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Karen

Sorry ... Actually, Herod passed away 4 years before the accepted date of R.X

These claims are not for me
Matthew 2 verse 13
"When they departed, - behold, the Angel of the Lord appears in a dream to Joseph and says: get up, take the Baby and His Mother and run to Egypt, and be there until I tell you, for Herod wants to look for the Baby in order to destroy Him."

[Dym71]

Mar Gusin, your intuition and sense of humor do not get along together?
You feel the agitated agitation in your comments, but this is your business of course, so I wanted to joke

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dym71

I wanted to make a joke

For a joke +

[kiril1246]

Flight to Egypt

[Trigger-Happy]

Jews and Arabs have the same genetic roots - fact, this is one people. This is both Russian and Belarusians \ Ukrainians \ Poles.

[Charik]

Israel is under siege as former Prime Minister Ehud Barak may have run blackmail operations on Epstein Island, as well as 11/XNUMX. ”

[Charik]

Another sign that Bush Sr. is no longer there to hush up any troubles came when a ship belonging to the Bush-linked JP Morgan Bank was arrested with $ 1,3 billion worth of cocaine.

[voyaka uh]

Rothschild also died. And this is no accident!
Something will be ...

[Bukhalov]

Quote: 7,62x54

I wish the Palestinians strength and courage to free their land from the Jewish occupiers.

I wish the courageous Jewish people complete victory over the Palestinian terrorists - the main threat to world peace !!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, these are still "flowers" ... we should expect in the future "firecrackers" with an adjustable (controlled) warhead ...

[Evil 55]

Not a bad start .. A Palestinian Tomahawk can bring enough trouble to any defense ..

[high]

I did not track the last surge of the war, but about 3 months ago, Hamas fired about 700 missiles: neither wounded nor killed ...

[high]

Quote: AtenON

It is true that they help, the people who survived the horrors of the Nazis, undeservedly received foreign land and treated its population in the same way, and sometimes worse than the Nazis deserve such gifts.

Read more, then you will not write nonsense.

[Old26]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Fatah, Hamas, Palestine Liberation Popular Front (PFLP), Palestinian Democratic Liberation Front (PFLP), PFLP - High Command, Palestinian National Initiative (PNI), Palestinian People's Party (formerly Palestinian Communist Party), As -Saika ”(Ba'athist party), Palestinian Liberation Front, Palestinian Popular Front (left-wing nationalist party) and Palestinian Democratic Union.

Nightmare!!! How many "guardians for the people's happiness" are there ...

[Volga073]

At last !