Sohu: The capabilities of the Russian C-500 for the Pentagon were a shock


In China, they do not hide the fact that they are making attempts to create their own production of effective advanced air defense systems - based on Russian developments in this area. First of all, it is a question of studying the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems previously acquired in the Russian Federation.


The military section of the Chinese edition of Sohu writes that some time ago, the American aviation could afford to appear virtually anywhere in the world. But then, as the author notes, Russia began to appear more and more effective complexes, some of which ultimately surpassed their American counterparts.

The article notes that according to a number of indicators, the Russian S-400 air defense system surpasses the latest version of the American Patriot (PAC-3). The main advantage is in range and number of defined goals. An additional advantage of C-400 over the Patriot is its price.

In the same publication, they ask how strong the Russian Prometheus C-500 complex is.

In Sohu:

S-500 "Prometheus" - the development of Russian air defense systems. These are completely new complexes related to the fifth generation of air defense systems. Previously, NATO questioned the effectiveness of C-500, noting that the Russians might not have taken into account Soviet shortcomings in the implementation of technologies. But when the Pentagon received accurate data on the characteristics of this air defense system against the background of the begun tests of C-500, for him the capabilities of the complex became a complete shock.

According to the authors of the material, the Pentagon was shocked by the performance characteristics of the newest Russian complex, since these performance characteristics leave far behind all those "analogues" that the United States has.

The following are data on some parameters of the complex.

C-500 has a high degree of compatibility with missiles from other anti-aircraft missile systems, the combat radius is 550 km.

Sohu:

There is information that the C-500 will also become an effective means of missile defense, allowing interception, including ICBMs, in the transatmospheric space.

Recall that earlier Russia suggested thinking about the joint production of such complexes in Turkey. And the other day, Turkish President Erdogan rejected the American "offer" to abandon the C-400 contract with Russia and "replace" this contract with the American one - with the supply of Patriot complexes.
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  1. ochakow703 16 November 2019 05: 19 New
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    Everything is great! But there is a small question. When will our ESA drop someone? Well, for example, in Syria ...
    1. Thrifty 16 November 2019 05: 24 New
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      As soon as the Kremlin directly gives the green light to the use of these complexes, then the sky of Syria and Lebanon will be cleaned by our colts. ..
      1. ochakow703 16 November 2019 05: 31 New
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        Yes, I'm not talking about an order, I'm talking about reality. So I saw the cool work of our VKS - now I believe. But the Israelis are hammering in Syria, and the "eski" are silent ... well, I do not believe in their viability. Polygon tests do not offer.
        1. RideMaster 16 November 2019 06: 10 New
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          In the presence of all kinds of rackets with a range of 600+ air defense only makes blows more expensive, and protects against concrete dropping cheap bombs on the head.
          He wrote here that today only a fighter can withstand a fighter, and that it is necessary to give Su 27cm3 to Syria when replacing them with Su 35s.
          Zaminusili for some reason
          1. okko077 16 November 2019 14: 10 New
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            You were blamed for being stupid. Su-35S is replaced by simple Su-27s, only very slowly and we really need Su-27SM3. By 2020, there will be 93 aircraft in total ...
            https://www.arms-expo.ru/news/vooruzhenie-i-voennaya-tekhnika/o-planakh-modernizatsii-36-istrebiteley-su-27-dlya-minoborony/
          2. Nick 17 November 2019 02: 40 New
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            Quote: RideMaster
            Zaminusili for some reason

            The cost of a rocket is less than the cost of an airplane and pilots.
        2. SOVIET UNION 2 16 November 2019 07: 26 New
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          N yes! I’m also looking, looking and I just can’t see the effectiveness of our Esoks. Israel has bombed and bombed Syria. Ah, the Israelites fly low !? And the satellites are not included in the air defense system? Everything is muddy in Syria with our air defense. You can bomb Syria, you can’t shoot down. What kind of war is going on there? One can do everything, another nothing! Is Russia afraid of something or is it sharing with someone? If we are afraid of someone, then do not get up in a pose. If you share something with someone, you should not play the role of the defender of the oppressed. With regard to Bolivia, we have taken a stand with both Libya and Ukraine. Stupidly lost ground. And Platoshkin is right in this matter. Who needs a friend who rents out? The same Bolivia voted in support of Russia when China abstained, and we surrendered Morales. The same thing happens in Syria. in words we are for Assad’s support, but in fact, an agreement with the United States and Israel. I am wrong? May be. But other versions are not voiced. Why?
          1. Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 07: 41 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Ah, the Israelites fly low !?

            Niiizenko ...
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            And the satellites are not included in the air defense system?

            Wait, the trampoline hasn’t been made yet. How to sew, so right away. yes
          2. Maalkavianin 16 November 2019 07: 43 New
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            This is just plain politics and nothing more. Especially in Syria. And military and civilian personnel there are just supplies for management. Actually, the same is true in other countries.
          3. Nyrobsky 16 November 2019 09: 40 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            If you share something with someone, you should not play the role of the defender of the oppressed. With regard to Bolivia, we have taken a stand with both Libya and Ukraine. Stupidly lost ground.
            Are we obligated to love everyone to death? If Assad from 2011 rested and defended Syria and his legitimacy until 2016, when he turned to the Russian Federation for help and received it, then Morales himself signed the resignation within a week after not very strong protests. At Maduro in Venezuela, the situation was much more critical, but he decided to wrestle and retain power in the country. If Morales himself does not want to fight for power, then there probably is no point in getting into it. Is not it so?
            1. Redfox3k 16 November 2019 12: 14 New
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              The answer lies on the surface: in Venezuela, the army leadership was completely reformatted by Hugo Chavez, respectively, the generals are loyal, especially to the current leadership. The approximate situation in Syria, just a little different. In Syria, the leadership of the army, and the army itself, is predominantly from the Alawites, Assad himself is an Alawite. Bolivia is a slightly different situation. Morales during his reign did not change anything in the army, whose leadership was before Morales and remains to this day pro-American. Therefore, when the pinochet asked him, he understood everything. He didn’t rest. There was no desire to repeat the story of Salvador Allende. Therefore, there are so many subtleties that are not visible, but which play a very important role in politics.
              1. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 31 New
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                Effective comment! States are well aware of all the technologies for creating and overthrowing governments. Plus, the economic interests of the states, or rather their bourgeoisie. Our bourgeoisie are fixated on hydrocarbons. I think this is the main reason.
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              1. Nyrobsky 16 November 2019 18: 58 New
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                In 2012, Assad did not turn to Russia because he believed that he would cope with the situation. As for Yanukovych, then this “comrade”, not daring to make a decision in favor of the use of force, would like Russia to use force? His "Golden Eagle" ran without weapons, burned and died from the fire of "unknown" snipers, and our riot police had to go in, shoot and restore order in the capital of Ukraine? It’s not funny for yourself? Do not forget that Yanukovych, unlike Morales, fled from Ukraine without losing the status of president, and the letter was born when he was already sitting in Rostov. As for Morales, he went to Mexico already abandoning the presidency. For whom should Russia harness in Bolivia? For a pensioner, for a homeless person, for an unemployed Morales?
                Quote: Arthur Treikal
                So what? .... The policy of the Russian Federation is inconsistent and false, to the joy of the western partners of the Russian Federation it has surrendered all its allies,
                Are you talking about the era of Yeltsin and Kozyrev? Yes, then indeed Russia, following the promises of "sworn friends", was on the path to surrendering its interests and allies, but times are changing like politics. At present, everything that Russia has done externally leads to an imbalance in the US organized crime group (organized crime group) and Co, which is a pity that no similar successes are observed in domestic politics.
                Quote: Arthur Treikal
                with Syria, it happened only because Qatar did not route a gas pipe to Europe through Syria, Putin’s oligarch friends don’t need competition, they will not accept it.

                Partly true, for the most part the absurdity is utter. You respected private wool confuse with state. The mattresses had a project to destroy Syria as a subject of international law, with the goal of taking control of all the energy flows of the BV region focused on Europe. But what does Putin and his friends have to do with the oligarchs, if the implementation of this plan in itself threatened Russia with the loss of the European gas market and huge economic losses for decades to come. Putin will one day leave, oligarch friends will rest, but the problem that the US was preparing for Russia would remain for the long term. Now she is gone, and the return to her resuscitation will not be quick.
                1. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 39 New
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                  Yanukovych or not Yanukovych, but I should have been in his place! wassat Well, be in place of Yanukovych Poroshenko? What would that change? In my opinion, the main support here. Yanukovych apparently felt the weakness of Russia. Was the opposition right with steel nerves? Regarding the loss of the European gas market. Yes! The management realized the surrender of the European gas market to the states and was horrified! But another question arises. How many years can the gas market be held? The gas is not endless! Or eternal?
              2. Nick 17 November 2019 02: 44 New
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                Quote: Arthur Treikal
                And Yanukovych also asked for help, even wrote a letter to Putin,

                So Yanyka and saved. We managed to export from Ukraine. And Azarov, too.
            3. eklmn 16 November 2019 19: 36 New
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              “If Morales himself does not want to fight for power, then there probably is no point in getting into it. Is not it so?"
              In Bolivia, only a dictator will fight for power. The dictator will crush the dissatisfied, resulting in hundreds of dead / landed and millions in exile, Venezuela is an example. Morales left voluntarily, preventing civil unrest. The people of Bolivia are more democratic than the neighbors, and will elect a president, using dem.instituty.
              1. Nyrobsky 16 November 2019 20: 05 New
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                Quote: eklmn
                People Bolivia more democraticthan the neighbors and select the president, using dem.instituty.

                When, in violation of the established procedure for the change of power enshrined in the Constitution of the country, it is forcibly seized and at the same time a conversation is being held about "democracy" and "democratic institutions", it immediately blows the cadaverous smell of thousands of innocent victims, from the hands of adherents who believe in "democracy" and forcibly instilling "democracy" in spite of any human sacrifice. Libya and Ukraine are an example to you. The word "democracy" now sounds worse than a mat, because it has the opposite meaning, the complete absence of democracy.
                1. KrokodilGena 17 November 2019 06: 03 New
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                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  The word "democracy" now sounds worse than a mat, because it has the opposite meaning, the complete absence of democracy.

                  So they think only in Russia, thanks to the nightingale litter and even that, only a certain part of the population.

                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  When, in violation of the established procedure for the change of power enshrined in the Constitution of the country, it is forcibly seized and at the same time a conversation is being held about "democracy" and "democratic institutions", it immediately blows the cadaverous smell of thousands of innocent victims, from the hands of adherents who believe in "democracy" and forcibly instilling "democracy" in spite of any human sacrifice. Libya and Ukraine are an example to you.

                  What does Libya have to do with it, where did democracy come from? There Gaddafi as he arrived with the help of a military coup, and remained until he had completely lost the sense of reality. And the second example, Ukraine, what did you want to say? What’s what, and the elections in Ukraine are real, which doesn’t stop some nerds from yelling about the junta. Cool, the junta lost the election to the clown and left after the first term .. Morales falsified the election, which is why the people left.
                  1. Nyrobsky 17 November 2019 09: 03 New
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                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    What does Libya have to do with it, where did democracy come from?

                    Libya was one of the richest countries in Africa, flourished and developed until "democracy" came there. Now it is a warring territorial entity with a ruined economy and tens of thousands of refugees.
                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    And the second example, Ukraine, what did you want to say?
                    There was a year left until new elections. Yanukovych could be removed as a result of these elections, but again, "democracy" intervened in the matter, which led to territorial and numerous human losses. If the process went without "democratic" outside interference, then, as they say, there would be "both the sheep and the wolves are full."
                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    What’s what, and the elections in Ukraine are real, which doesn’t stop some nerds from yelling about the junta.
                    In Ukraine, after February 2014, in other words, forcible seizure of power, as a result of which the Constitution of Ukraine was violated, all further actions of the “malicious government” are unconstitutional, which is illegal, that some nerds point blank and do not want to understand and drive the blizzard about the real elections. Since 2014, power in Ukraine has been in the hands of an organized criminal group whose actions fall under the criminal article of the Ukrainian Criminal Code.
                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    Morales falsified the elections, which is why the people came out.
                    Morales is gone, and the pogroms continue.
                  2. Astronaut 17 November 2019 12: 35 New
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                    So they think only in Russia, thanks to the nightingale litter and even that, only a certain part of the population.

                    You can see from your darkness-cockroach you don’t go anywhere, so you don’t know how many of the Young Europeans water Brussels! There is democracy only for the elite wink
                  3. Dimonovets 22 January 2020 12: 00 New
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                    "The word" democracy "now sounds worse than a mat, because it has the opposite meaning, the complete absence of democracy." Most of the planet thinks so. Before the bullshit in Libya, there was peace and all the main benefits of civilization are almost free. And with the advent of shit democracy, what has changed for the better? As for Ukraine, contraceptives, such as the junta, after use and the loss of the user's erection, go to waste. And to the people, it is all the same who is acting as a contraceptive for the owner, a stubborn Natsik or a clown. The result is one, they both had and have ...
              2. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 43 New
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                There is rather a struggle for the economic interests of TNCs. And these are TNCs, TNCs of electronics. And that means high-tech products with high added value.
              3. Grits 18 November 2019 05: 37 New
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                Quote: eklmn
                The people of Bolivia are more democratic than the neighbors, and will elect a president, using dem.instituty.

                How are these dems used? Institutions we have seen not only in Bolivia. And much closer - for example, in Armenia. Where some rogue just really wanted to be president and became very "democratic". The same rogue "raised his eyes to heaven and declared himself president" in Venezuela. True, the people there turned out to be less democratic and sent the "messenger of God" to hell.
                And we also know WHO uses these dems. institutions for their own purposes ...
                1. eklmn 18 November 2019 06: 22 New
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                  Any people have the right to say out loud that they, the people are tired of their ruler, or say out loud to the corrupt ruler “Tired! Go away! ” And people can say at any moment without waiting for the election. Because in democracy, power belongs to the people.
                  No army can stop millions on the streets at the same time. And any government will be forced to resign. Peacefully. And there will be re-elections. This happened in Armenia, it happened in Georgia, the Czech Republic, Ukraine, Bolivia and many more countries. It was and will be.
                  And who will come in return - a populist or a pragmatist, a showman or a politician, does not matter, because it is the choice of PEOPLE. It will not be known whether the people will feel good or bad from this choice, but this is the choice of the people, and it is up to them to live with this choice. (elections / rallies - choose it yourself). My opinion is that it’s impossible to forbid millions to go out to demonstrations and not succeed.
                  People in power should serve (SERVE!) The people and remember that they are temporary. Like servants.
                  Freedom of the media, when everybody’s bureaucrat is official under a microscope, when free courts are not imprisoned under pressure from senior officials - this is the basis of stability of the masses. But corruption and powerlessness can bring people to the streets, sooner or later. In any country...
                  Somewhere like that ...
                  1. Grits 18 November 2019 17: 32 New
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                    Quote: eklmn
                    Any people have the right to say out loud that they, the people are tired of their ruler, or say out loud to the corrupt ruler “Tired! Go away! ” And people can say at any moment without waiting for the election. Because in democracy, power belongs to the people.

                    You surprise me with your naivety.
                    Do you really believe that in Bolivia the people asked Morales to leave? But not the corporations to which he refused to produce lithium?
                    About the fact that the people can in any memorial, without waiting for the election to overthrow their leader - in general I fall from laughter. And why then, in general, ELECTION - the main institution of democracy? If they can not wait, and every month the president to change at the request of the "people". By the way, are you still sure that in Ukraine the “people” have democratically changed the president?
            4. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 25 New
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              Are we obligated to love everyone to death?
              Why not? Americans out love the whole world without hesitation! Defend your legitimacy over numerical superiority !? I don’t think Assad is so stupid. An example of Saddam was before his eyes. Assad received help when the price of oil fell and our leadership finally reached the whole scenario of the development of events in the BV.
              Do you think American sons have strong nerves? I think here is more a question of money than the behavior of Morales. And I think Platoshkin is right in his videos. We'd better buy tin there, lithium batteries are there too. Russia stupidly does not want its technological development. That is the whole answer. The main thing as in the sculpture of Mukhina is the union of her and him (oil and gas)! It turns out that the states are fighting for technology, but Russia is not. That's all the summary of events. hi
          4. Vladimir_6 16 November 2019 09: 55 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Israel has bombed and bombed Syria.

            For the sake of objectivity, it must be said that Israel does not bomb Syria, but Iranian targets in Syria. Therefore, Iran must protect these facilities, not Russia.
            With regard to Bolivia, we have taken a stand with both Libya and Ukraine.

            Concerning Bolivia, I got an article on Comte
            "The Wild Hunt for Lithium: How Tesla Overthrew Morales"
            “Two-thirds of the world's reserves (58%) of which are concentrated in the triangle between Argentina, Chile and Bolivia. The volume of its production doubled in ten years (up to 38 thousand tons), and the price per ton jumped from 1670 euros in 1998 to 12 900 euros in 2018. With logistics costs to China, it costs generally closer to 20 thousand.
            And then came “some Indian” with his socialism. Yes, even quick, who arranged the nationalization of deposits in Bolivia, which deprived the billionaire of a fair part of his income. And not only that, who had the audacity in July of this year to visit Moscow, where he held successful negotiations on cooperation and investment in the development of the country's mining industry.
            Which was the last straw. "
            https://cont.ws/@aleksanderzapolskis/1502182
            1. KrokodilGena 17 November 2019 06: 05 New
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              Aga Musk overthrew Moralis. Another portion of delirium, after all, people have little cereal in their head ..
              1. Vladimir_6 17 November 2019 11: 36 New
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                [quoteAha Musk deposed Moralis.] [/ quote]
                Well, it’s not Musk who personally dealt with the overthrow. For this, there are specials. service. The article clearly outlines the motives.
                You probably think that the Maidan in Ukraine arose spontaneously, and in Syria, the tyrant Assad brought the people to the point that the people organized ISIS. And in France, the "yellow yolks" from hard life have been buzzing for a year.
                Another portion of delirium

                State the truth.
          5. SeregaBoss 16 November 2019 10: 11 New
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            Well, scribe, now we surrendered to Bolivia sad
            Where do such strategists come from.
            The country requires heroes, the pid gives birth to fools.
            1. rhino 16 November 2019 11: 33 New
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              Everything is more prosaic. When in 2014 the Russian Federation launched a counterattack against the West, he was not ready, especially in the field of propaganda. Those. he was taken by surprise. Now the West has come to its senses, gathered his thoughts and gives a rebuff. Now take up Maduro.
            2. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 49 New
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              And whom did we get the smartest?
          6. Amin_vivec 16 November 2019 10: 13 New
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            Assad is still an independent. By agreement, Russia helps him with the terrorists, with the development of the Armed Forces, humanitarian aid, with the sale of Syrian products (mostly fruits) and the legitimization and security of Assad (remember Assad should leave?). In exchange, it takes the Bases and profitable contracts on a mutually beneficial basis, i.e. about any "gift" is not talking.
            There is no talk at all for the fact that Russia will fight against Syria's external enemies instead.
            Downed American missiles - self-defense and advertising demonstration of opportunities.
            1. Grigory Gromov 16 November 2019 23: 36 New
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              Quote: Amin_Vivec
              By agreement Russia helps him with the terrorists, with the development of the Armed Forces, humanitarian aid, with the sale of Syrian products (mostly fruits) and the legitimization and security of Assad (remember Assad should leave?).

              Amin_Vivec (Ivan), not by agreement, but according to the Friendship and Cooperation Agreement!
              The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic was signed by the Government of the USSR and the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic on October 8, 1980 in Moscow. In December 1991, Syria recognized Russia as the legal successor of the USSR. The friendship treaty between the two countries is still valid.
              1. Amin_vivec 17 November 2019 10: 51 New
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                Thanks I'll know)))
          7. Shteffan 16 November 2019 13: 02 New
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            Morales himself gave up. What to support if the coup took place, what to rock the boat? Such things need to be strangled in the bud. Far and away. The US special services in that region are more powerful than Russia. They could be able to survive near Ukraine, Syria. Venezuela and Bolivia pull.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 50 New
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              Who to pull? Is the state overwhelmed by the kindness of the soul? Look at Platoshkin about Bolivia.
            2. eklmn 17 November 2019 17: 06 New
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              “Such things need to be strangled in the bud.”
              The Cheka strangled well, Stalin, too, then Khrushchev tanks in the Hungarians, then tanks in their miners, then the CPSU tanks in the Czechs ...
              But they called themselves “representatives of the power of the people” or called their system “Power of the people”
              And who do you consider yourself after your words?
              1. Shteffan 18 November 2019 01: 56 New
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                The Bolsheviks compromised themselves when they dispersed the popularly elected constituent assembly so there is no need ... the bad example is that I say that riots do not arise by themselves, coups are a lot of loot + logistics, these are special services and NGOs. This means counterintelligence chews in vain your bread. the state’s revolution is illegal. don’t like the power, the system? -please go to the elections and vote. but coups, revolutions and riots are a prison.
          8. mso.716 16 November 2019 14: 57 New
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            Who did you give Morales to?
          9. meandr51 16 November 2019 15: 09 New
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            The scale of the bombing is minuscule. They are not worth declassifying the parameters.
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            SOVIET UNION 2 (SOVIET UNION)

            N yes! I’m also looking, looking and I just can’t see the effectiveness of our Esoks. Israel has bombed and bombed Syria.
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            So the barmalei invited us there to bomb. For Israel, and there was no other speech. All you need ...
            1. Nick 17 November 2019 02: 51 New
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              Quote: Crane
              Israel has bombed and bombed Syria.

              Israel shoots towards Syria from Libyan airspace without entering the ban zone
            2. SOVIET UNION 2 17 November 2019 07: 54 New
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              Barmaley bomb? And what did they do wrong to Russia? Did you lower the price of oil? And that’s it! What do we barmaley began to bomb? Oil tankers !? How did tankers threaten Russia? And why didn’t they bomb before the fall in oil prices? winked
          11. Pilat2009 16 November 2019 17: 38 New
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            we passed Morales

            And how did you want to leave him? He himself messed up like Yanukovych
          12. sniperino 16 November 2019 18: 35 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            in words we are for Assad’s support, but in fact, an agreement with the United States and Israel.
            In fact, we have an agreement with Assad not about the United States and Israel, have you heard? Or do you mean peas on the wall ...
          13. certero 17 November 2019 05: 40 New
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            What for Russia to get into the war between Syria and Israel?
          14. GibSoN 17 November 2019 20: 14 New
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            Ah, the Israelites fly low !?
            You are utter nonsense! In the TTX S-400, it is stated that it is capable of hitting targets at a height of 5 meters! 11 !! 1 !! Learn the mathematical part.
          15. Nick 18 November 2019 13: 15 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            I’m also looking, looking and I just can’t see the effectiveness of our Esoks. Israel has bombed and bombed Syria. Ah, the Israelites fly low !? And the satellites are not included in the air defense system? Everything is muddy in Syria with our air defense. You can bomb Syria, you can’t shoot down.

            In order not to be dimly study the question a little deeper. Our anti-aircraft defense was set up to protect our bases in Tartus and Hmeimim. Everything that was flying that tried to attack our bases, including drones and shells of the MLRS, crashed on approach to the protected objects. So the effectiveness of our air defense is 100%. Protection of the entire territory of Syria before the Russian air defense is not worth it. In principle, such a task cannot be fulfilled by the existing outfit of Russian air defense forces. Yes and no reason.
        3. maidan.izrailovich 16 November 2019 09: 23 New
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          But the Israelis are hammering in Syria, and the "eski" are silent ... well, I do not believe in their viability.
          Israel "hammering" Syria? What does Russia have to do with it? Did we commit ourselves to protecting Syria from Israel?
          1. Fan-fan 16 November 2019 15: 00 New
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            Yes, Putin promised to protect Syria only from Isil, and all the rest can calmly bomb Syria.
            1. sniperino 16 November 2019 18: 42 New
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              the rest can calmly bomb Syria
              It’s calm - they can’t: they’re more nervous, more often they resort to doping, they are more considerate ... And ours - there and here for them - are calmer.
              1. Kasym 16 November 2019 20: 22 New
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                Friends, based on physics, not one SAM can "work out" a target at a distance of more than 50 km., Which moves at a low altitude with the envelope of the terrain. Therefore, in the USSR, a layered air defense system was developed. Those. we need air defense systems operating in different ranges: short, medium and long range: hi.
                Here, after all, the problem is that we need radars (for target detection) that would work in the VHF, HF, HF, MV and UHF range.
                1. Nick 17 November 2019 02: 53 New
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                  layered air defense system. Those. we need air defense systems operating in different ranges: short, medium and long range: hi

                  So it is there.
        4. Anatoly R 16 November 2019 10: 36 New
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          Therefore, they do not answer so that our TTDs are not removed.
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          and the "eski" are silent ... well, I don’t believe in their viability.

          You do not take politics into account. Whenever the “Ch” point passed, or whatever it was, wherever the Soviet “now Russian”, Air Defense Complexes were only, the enemy’s planes began to fall en masse. Learn the story.
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            You do not take politics into account. Whenever the “Ch” point passed, or whatever it was, wherever the Soviet “now Russian”, Air Defense Complexes were only, the enemy’s planes began to fall en masse. Learn the story.

            Ale, kindergarten pants on the straps.
            Again. Russian on white.
            Russia in Syria at the invitation of the authorities of this country to fight terrorists, not neighboring countries. With some of which Syria has a multi-year state of war.
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              Ale, kindergarten pants on the straps.

              Remember what happened in Egypt .. And pull the straps on your pants. You still have to bring premieres?
            2. Arthur Treikal 16 November 2019 18: 16 New
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              The Russian Federation in Syria for anything, but not for the fight against terrorists - this is an indirect occupation, forced to cover true goals. Putin’s friends, the oligarchs share Syrian oil and put barriers to catharsic gas in Europe. Grandmas and only ... And you - the fight against terrorism, good deeds ... it's not about the Kremlin!
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                Quote: Arthur Treikal
                Putin’s friends, the oligarchs share Syrian oil and put barriers to catharsic gas in Europe. Grandmas and only ... And you - the fight against terrorism, good deeds ... it's not about the Kremlin!

                Russia defends its interests as well. Putin has spoken about this more than once. But if you are an altruist, volunteer to join Assad’s army, and give your military allowance to Syrian refugees.
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                  When does Putin write off dozens of lard $ to all Africans, is this also “Russia's interests”? Apparently, many do not see the difference between the interests of Russia and the interests of the Rothenberg-Sechin. Up to now, the main mass of people in Russia have not seen a single plus, or benefit, welfare from Putin's geopolitics, most likely they just paid for this whole coven and tightened their belts.
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              Again. Russian on white.
              Once again, write Russian in white! Do you really think that there are so many idiots here? Yes. RF in Syria, that would distribute sweets to children. Why do you only pay ZP in your agency ...
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          Do you believe in an American patriot? After all, in the whole history he didn’t drop anyone ..... well, except for those (Saudis) who shot him. And in conflicts of 20 years ago, where the very ancient ones were used (the very first modifications of the ToUCH Point), he showed a hundred (low) efficiency, which is embarrassing to say.
          But the complexes with the letter C .... easily destroyed more than 1500 thousand aircraft in Vietnam (and they put McCain right in the garbage pit), Pauls landed, more than 50% of Jewish aircraft were destroyed in one day (and when an air defense regiment arrived in Egypt from The USSR then Jews did not fly at all within a radius of hundreds of kilometers, but very bravely Jewish bombed the peaceful cities of Egypt outside the air defense areas and presented it as military successes), the ancient Skis shot down two invisible forces in Yugoslavia and, according to closed data, a couple of dozen in Iraq (after why f117 and its analogues are forbidden to fly outside the United States so as not to disgrace), the ancient air defense systems in Syria bring down the tomahawks and Just with an efficiency of more than 70% (fantasy) and the TOR and Pantsyr shot down all the latest and most modern Jewish SkySniper missiles that they launched advertised as invulnerable (these missiles were shot down easily shortly before the mass attack by tomahawks). According to experts, the Jews inflicted the blow in the interests of checking the performance characteristics of the Russian air defense (the prospect of an attack on the Khmeinim base was estimated. After the verification, the idea disappeared by itself). The shell lined up in Syria cannot be regarded as its vulnerability, since it was in a traveling position with a fired ammunition (the second, which was allegedly destroyed a little more than a fake). Well, the effectiveness of the American strike on Syria, where over a hundred or so missiles killed two jerboa jerboas and the old building, it is said that Ski and other systems of the type 60-70’s calmly oppose modern rockets of the United States of England and the Jews. And finally: a year ago, the rebels in Yemen removed the old Soviet air-to-air rocket from the plane and somehow paired it up with a makeshift launcher to launch from the ground ...... and with ease the first and only rocket bombarded F15 Saudis with all its electronic warfare and other missile defense equipment.
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      3. Mikhail3 17 November 2019 11: 19 New
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        And Israeli planes will fall to the land of Israel, as well as neighboring countries, and not Syria. Yes, and the civilian liners that brave Jews are hiding behind will inevitably suffer. World war, that’s all that can give a course to such a development of events.
    2. Rostislav Bely 16 November 2019 07: 17 New
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      Take your time, the most interesting is yet to come ... the Syrians will drop them if something happens - they will gain a foothold in the North and if the mattresses do not leave the oil fields after their elections - this will begin not just a game of nerves, but maybe they will cut it off earlier, only during to pick oneself up at oneself (PMCs pinch them for sure)
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        PMCs have already tried to oppose the United States. What ended up remember ???
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          And how did it end? fakes at millions killed from PMCs? Proofs where? Go grunt on other sites
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          what have you put in your pants, I'm talking about the US PMC, there the army is conditionally present in the queue for the toilet - the locals will do it better than others ...
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          PMCs have already tried to oppose the United States. What ended up remember ???

          belay What are you ?! fool ? Which PMCs opposed the United States? They perform security and protection functions there for hire, and not fight the United States.
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            PMC "Wagner". An attempt to capture oil fields. Or wasn’t that ???
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              Quote: Nashorn
              PMC "Wagner". An attempt to capture oil fields. Or wasn’t that ???

              You do not confuse Bebel with Babel. Raiding in Syria is not a war with the United States
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                And I don’t confuse. The weapons were used by US troops. Yes, this is not a war with the United States.
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                  And I don’t confuse. The weapons were used by US troops. Yes, this is not a war with the United States.

                  It turns out that it was the US troops who opposed PMCs, and you said the opposite. Americans should be ashamed. It’s the same as the GRU special forces attacked a private security company consisting of pensioners armed only with rubber truncheons and gas sprays.
    3. Maxim Sibirev 16 November 2019 09: 53 New
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      And what's the point? Our air defense has already achieved everything: our Syria, plus a slap in the USA in the form of a purchase from India and even Turkey. ... and knocking someone down is an international scandal plus an arms race (if it becomes clear to the Americans that the f35 is not effective). Big politics is not a joke or a show
    4. smart ass 16 November 2019 12: 29 New
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      Maybe to rename the plow for review?
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        C'mon, the moderators started to sign them in the headlines, for which thanks to them.
    5. tol100v 16 November 2019 18: 45 New
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      But there is a small question. When will our ESA drop someone?

      There is a small answer: when they drop, then it will not be up to the bill! Then the question will be: is there enough for everyone!
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      Everything is great! But there is a small question. When will our ESA drop someone? Well, for example, in Syria ...

      This is when someone enters the prohibition zone, declared by us within a radius of 60 km from the base. So far, only MLRS shells and drones are trying to fly. Enough shell for them. C-400 so far without worthy goals remain.
    7. wedge 17 November 2019 11: 15 New
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      I have to wait. It's too early.
    8. Campanella 17 November 2019 12: 05 New
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      Do not be afraid, they will drop, not without reason Bunkin B.V., and then Lemansky A.A. and many thousands of employees of TsKB Almaz worked for many years!
  2. eklmn 16 November 2019 05: 25 New
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    “... The Pentagon was shocked by the performance characteristics of the newest Russian complex, since these performance characteristics leave far behind all those“ analogues ”that the United States has.”
    I am a witness. I live near Washington and yesterday I could not drive along its roundabout - columns of trucks with diapers were taken to the Pentagon ...
    1. Pessimist22 16 November 2019 05: 35 New
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      Is this some kind of emigre joke about the Pentagon?
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        Is this some kind of emigre joke about the Pentagon?

        This is a turn from the third to the Moscow Ring Road and further with all the stops!
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          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Is this some kind of emigre joke about the Pentagon?

          This is a turn from the third to the Moscow Ring Road and further with all the stops!

          Then it’s not MKAD, but VKAD. Both ring are very similar, even in mileage.
    2. Campanella 17 November 2019 12: 06 New
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      Eklm, So live until your masters jerk!
  3. Thrifty 16 November 2019 05: 25 New
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    You read the Chinese, and realize that the mantra of American omniscience in the heads of the Chinese sits tight. ...
  4. The leader of the Redskins 16 November 2019 06: 03 New
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    Well, since the "great oracle, friend of the panda", nurtured on sacred bamboo, said, so it is! laughing
  5. Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2019 07: 17 New
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    Science needs to be funded. Children who are talented are selected in schools, taught at universities and fed with a spoon, red caviar .. And then, the whole world will be shocked by our guns and other equipment!
    1. Ros 56 16 November 2019 09: 22 New
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      And who will do all this? Indeed, now everyone, like Uncle Scrooge’s eyes, just has a glimpse of money, they don’t care about children, much less about some technical breakthroughs there.
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        Well, you are so worthy of all worthy teachers immediately under the same business comb, there are decent schools and technical schools. But the "business institutes" of which the darkness has divorced, with distance learning via the Internet, they must be cleaned in the bud. In addition to weaning money, they are not involved.
        1. Ros 56 17 November 2019 19: 33 New
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          Perhaps in another dimension it is, but now even under the lantern you will not find it. Right now, the granddaughter (6 years old) goes to preparatory classes in SCHOOL for MONEY, I haven’t seen such a madhouse in my childhood, adolescence and youth, just like in the growth process of my sons. We’ll look further, but I’ll say one thing: before, boys and girls went to classes in sections and circles for FREE, and now the iPhone is for projects like Skolkovo and for bastards like red dozens, if not hundreds of billions, it swells, and there are no money for children, which is then surprising that the people are uneducated, evil and poor, and whoever has the opportunity to leave the country.
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        Yeah, monetized from and to ... the devil feasts, the soul and heart are hidden somewhere deep in the opu.
  6. Amateur 16 November 2019 07: 36 New
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    According to the authors of the material, the Pentagon was shocked by the performance characteristics of the latest Russian complex

  7. Jerk 16 November 2019 07: 44 New
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    By the way, look at the new anti-aircraft guns from drones:

    Chileans, these are laser pointers - and a police drone.
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      Chileans, these are laser pointers - and a police drone.

      What Chile turns out to be an interesting country! lol
      Be sure to visit there now!
    2. tol100v 16 November 2019 19: 04 New
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      Chileans, these are laser pointers - and a police drone.

      It is solved simply: the power supply is removed (district, region or country!)
  8. cniza 16 November 2019 08: 39 New
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    S-500 "Prometheus" - the development of Russian air defense systems. These are completely new complexes related to the fifth generation of air defense systems. Previously, NATO questioned the effectiveness of C-500, noting that the Russians might not have taken into account Soviet shortcomings in the implementation of technologies. But when the Pentagon received accurate data on the characteristics of this air defense system against the background of the begun tests of C-500, for him the capabilities of the complex became a complete shock.



    I don’t like such a message in articles and lately it sounds more and more often, there will be no good from it ....
    1. tol100v 16 November 2019 19: 09 New
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      . But when, against the backdrop of the started S-500 tests, the Pentagon received accurate data on the characteristics of this SAM, for him the capabilities of the complex were a complete shock.



      I don’t like such a message in articles and lately it sounds more and more often, there will be no good from it ....

      But when the Pentagon received .... He has not received anything yet ..... But when he receives .... then there will be no one to answer! And in the sequel: "Yes, but we lost the information war, said two soldiers standing on the ruins of the White House!"
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      Undoubtedly embellished, but the complexes are really good.
  9. Svetlana 16 November 2019 08: 56 New
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    And what will the Chinese say about the S-700? About which in one of the programs Zhirinovsky mentioned hi
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    I’m worried about one question, why are we selling the latest air defense systems to a potential enemy? After all, if they happen, they will shoot down our aircraft. What is the secret of confidence that this will not happen, and the secrets will not flow away to the USA? Although for some reason the Yankees cannot repeat our technique but there are 50 to 50.
    1. tol100v 16 November 2019 19: 15 New
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      I am worried about one question why we sell the latest air defense systems to a potential

      That is, for sale is not the last product! So, not the first freshness, and a little wilted, to the taste of the buyer! Almost jamon!
  11. Nikolay87 16 November 2019 10: 02 New
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    S-500 as Playstation 5. Everyone is waiting for him because of his new TX and compatibility with previous models))))
  12. Old26 16 November 2019 10: 07 New
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    According to the authors of the material, the Pentagon was shocked by the performance characteristics of the newest Russian complex, since these performance characteristics leave far behind all those "analogues" that the United States has.

    How I like these phrases in notes. The complex is not yet in service, only passes the test. The performance characteristics have not yet been officially announced, and the Pentagon is already shocked by the performance characteristics of the Russian complex laughing

    Quote: Rostislav White
    Take your time, the most interesting is ahead ... Syrians will drop them if that -

    And what prevents Syria from doing this now? The ban of Russia? So no. “Three Hundred” was handed over to the Syrians. But the most interesting thing is “stands and is silent.” Can they just realize that the Israelis will roll them out at the first attempt to use? And to dream that everything ahead is the simplest. We can say that as soon as we give the Syrians the MiG-51 and S-700, they will immediately show it. Or maybe they will show when they will have the MiG-61 and Su-75 and S-1200 laughing
    1. Vladimir_6 16 November 2019 12: 02 New
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      And what prevents Syria from doing this now? The ban of Russia? So no. “Three Hundred” was handed over to the Syrians. But the most interesting thing is “stands and is silent.” Can they just realize that the Israelis will roll them out at the first attempt to use?

      TEL AVIV, February 11. / TASS correspondent Andrei Shirokov /. An Israeli F-16 fighter crashed on Saturday after striking in Syria was shot down by a Syrian ground-to-air missile.
      As you can see, they haven’t rolled it to this day.
      And to dream that everything ahead is the simplest.

      Surely the Syrians dream of a wonderful future. But they don’t sit idly by
    2. Alex Fox 16 November 2019 12: 12 New
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      And what prevents Syria from doing this now? The ban of Russia? So no. “Three Hundred” was handed over to the Syrians. But the most interesting thing is “stands and is silent.” Can they just realize that the Israelis will roll them out at the first attempt to use?

      You have already destroyed 100500 armast divisions in the Donbas, killed 100 million horse-drawn Buryats ... You don’t even need to include clowns to listen to clowns.
      Izya barks at Iran, The defending of Iran’s facilities is the business of Iran itself. So what is it that such Israeli super troops do not poke their hands at bombing the Russian base?
      For information, in the event of a global non-nuclear strike, the war with Israel will last a very long time, as much as 42 minutes, this is the time of approach of 2 echelons of attacks. Moreover, in 2017, computer simulations carried out defense mines. 97% of aviation and air defense cease to exist in Israel ....
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      Quote: Old26
      And what prevents Syria from doing this now?

      Quote: Old26
      And what prevents Syria from doing this now?

      Everything has its time!
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      Nobody canceled the promotion, if the Soviet leaders were very restrained in this sense, it is necessary for modern ones to maintain their reputation as Soviet backers as air.
  13. G. Georgiev 16 November 2019 10: 22 New
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    hmmm ... C-500, can it destroy satellites with a low orbit when the US destroys a satellite with Sm-3 at 250 km. Years ago.
  14. G. Georgiev 16 November 2019 10: 27 New
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    Is this new Russian Peresvet laser capable of destroying enemy satellites? The Chinese have been working on the Earth-Space laser for a long time.
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      I heard a ring, but you don’t know where it is! And all the more you do not know what a laser is! Talking about coherent radiation, power, dissipation and others is not even worth it! And that the Chinese, it’s YES, they will ruin everything that is bad, and they will say, as in that film: "So it’s blown ..!"
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    hmmm ... C-500, can it destroy satellites with a low orbit when the US destroys a satellite with Sm-3 at 250 km. Years ago.

    Nobody knows that. people walking on the TTX S-500 Network are most likely very far from real ones.
    If you believe the rumors, then one of the types of missiles (more precisely, anti-ballistic missiles), this system seems to be able to hit satellites in low orbit. But so far these are only rumors ...
    The Americans hit the satellite with the SM-3Block 1A / B rocket. Now they already have SM-3Block 2A with a reach in height of up to 1500 km
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      Thread Tools Old 26 Quote: " Now they already have SM-3Block 2A with a reach in height of up to 1500 km

      Yeah. You disappointed me, Vladimir ...1500km And do not tell from the school course of high school the magnitude of the First cosmic velocity?!?
      In my notebook I put you a second (personal) minus. If there is a reason for the third, then to my great regret I will have to exclude you from the list of worthy interlocutors.
      hi
  16. G. Georgiev 16 November 2019 11: 09 New
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    how Russia will answer. This is not good SM-3 Block 2A, up to 1500 km. Altitude. This is a dangerous rocket with many carriers for it.
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    Poor Pentagon. That for such work, valerian should be given to him free of charge. And everyone thinks that it’s easy to work in the Pentagon ...
  18. Hikaro 16 November 2019 11: 42 New
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    Recently respected by me, VO often began to refer to SOKHA !! This is short-sighted! SOKHU source is very doubtful a la Chinese yellow troll !! According to the new system, there is no exact TTD yet in tests! Which Pentagon? What a shock? The Chinese simply troll everyone in a row, both the West and Russia, despising both of them in their hearts! And they are trying to lick and copy-paste the Russian weapons, so that later they pass off as their developments, arrange for him a handsome advertisement and conquer the arms market! China repeated how many times, a very dangerous ally !! Striving for domination and submission !!
  19. Operator 16 November 2019 11: 48 New
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    “The radius of the C-500's action is equal to 550 km,” and yesterday I was freak out of an alternative reality - a fan of the cargo cult rubbed that the air defense system was not able to “pry out its eyes” to all AWACS bully
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      - and yesterday I got one freak from an alternative reality - a fan of the cargo cult rubbed that the air defense system is not able to "gouge out" all kinds of AWACS

      It depends on the level of education of the "fan"!
  20. Old26 16 November 2019 12: 19 New
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    Quote: Vladimir_6
    TEL AVIV, February 11. / TASS correspondent Andrei Shirokov /. An Israeli F-16 fighter crashed on Saturday after striking in Syria was shot down by a Syrian ground-to-air missile.
    As you can see, they haven’t rolled it to this day.

    And what complex was shot down? S-300? So you don’t even hear him shooting at least once. The Israelis, as far as I remember, said that as soon as the Syrians try to use the S-300 they will destroy it. And they could bring down the 125th complex, and any other

    Quote: G. Georgiev
    how Russia will answer.

    HZ. There is no data on what characteristics the S-500 will have.
    1. Vladimir_6 16 November 2019 13: 52 New
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      And what complex was shot down?

      "The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that an American-made F-10 aircraft shot down on February 16 in southwestern Syria was destroyed by the Arab anti-aircraft missile system S-200 of the Arab country."
      And what does that change? Or do you think that Israel has "personal scores" exclusively with the S-300?
      So you don’t even hear him shooting at least once.

      Do you just need a sight to see? I didn’t shoot, so there was no need.
      The Israelis, as far as I remember, said that as soon as the Syrians try to use the S-300 they will destroy it.

      The Israelites claimed a lot. But as they say: Israelis are afraid - do not go to Syria.
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        The Israelites claimed a lot. But as they say: Israelis are afraid - do not go to Syria.

        In Odessa they say one thing, think another, and do the third! And sho has changed in Israel ?! Slippery counter from the same fish store!
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    You have already destroyed 100500 armast divisions in the Donbas,

    Who are you? And in our media only the lazy did not write about what the Israelis said about our supply of S-300. But you are probably not a reader, you are a writer, and what they say or said about these events (the supply of the S-300 and Israel’s possible reaction to this) is completely not interesting to you. Proceed in the same vein
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    Quote: Vladimir_6
    "The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that an American-made F-10 aircraft shot down on February 16 in southwestern Syria was destroyed by the Arab anti-aircraft missile system S-200 of the Arab country."
    And what does that change? Or do you think that Israel has "personal scores" exclusively with the S-300?

    Imagine - yes. It was Israel who opposed the supply of Syria to this complex. And there were statements circulated by everyone who is not lazy that Syria’s attempt to use this air defense system would lead to its destruction by the Israeli Air Force.
    That's why the Syrian S-300 is "silent" ...

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    Do you just need a sight to see? I didn’t shoot, so there was no need.

    I do not need spectacles. But to have an air defense system and not use it with fairly regular attacks by the Israeli Air Force on targets in Syria is of course Assad’s "tricky move." To have and not to use. It's like having a car at home, but because of the principle of using a trolley bus and a bus to get to work. And to say that right now there is no need to use a car

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    The Israelites claimed a lot. But as they say: Israelis are afraid - do not go to Syria.

    Most often, Israel, as they say, "is responsible for the bazaar." He said that he would strike at Iranian targets on the territory of Syria - and does. And it is clear that Assad and his entourage took the threats to destroy the S-300 Assad very seriously
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      From your post
      He said that he would strike at Iranian targets in Syria - and inflicts.

      That is why the Syrian S-300 and "silent" ...

      Let Iranian facilities be protected by Iranian air defense.
      It's like having a car at home, but because of the principle of using a trolley bus and a bus to get to work.

      No, it's like having a car at home, but because of the principle of not giving it to a neighbor so that he gets to work on it.
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      Most often, Israel, as they say, "is responsible for the bazaar."

      He never Answers! He's hiding like a coward! Now behind the civilian sides, then firing rockets from the territory of another State! They are the guides of shit democracy! But they forgot one historical thing: To whom they owe their appearance!
  23. Rostislav 16 November 2019 15: 58 New
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    But when, against the backdrop of the started S-500 tests, the Pentagon received accurate data on the characteristics of this SAM, for him the capabilities of the complex were a complete shock.

    Where did the firewood come from?
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    Let Iranian facilities be protected by Iranian air defense.

    The Iranians, in fact, apparently "sat on Assad’s head." After all, it is not only and not so much about the joint struggle of Iranians and Syrians with ISIS, but about Iran’s support for such movements as Hamas and Hezbollah.
    Putting Iranian air defense systems on the territory of Syria so that they fought the Jews is a very successful move. The next logic will be the annexation of these territories by Iran. No?

    Quote: Rostislav
    But when, against the backdrop of the started S-500 tests, the Pentagon received accurate data on the characteristics of this SAM, for him the capabilities of the complex were a complete shock.

    Where did the firewood come from?

    From the yellow press. It is impossible to obtain physically accurate data on the characteristics of this SAM, purely physically, because accurate data are not yet available in nature. Tests and no more ...

    Quote: K-36
    Yeah. You disappointed me, Vladimir ... 1500km And do not tell me from the school course of high school the magnitude of the First space velocity?!?
    In my notebook I put you a second (personal) minus. If there is a reason for the third, then to my great regret I will have to exclude you from the number of worthy interlocutors.

    You me too, Victor! Do not tell me what is common between the reach in height and the first cosmic speed that you mentioned? The speed of "Block 2A" is approximately 14M, if you are interested. Flight range - 2500 km, reach at an altitude of 1500 km. And the first space is in no way connected with the reach in height.
    And about the fact that you can exclude me from the list of worthy interlocutors (in your opinion) - this is your right. Somehow I will survive it ...
    1. tol100v 16 November 2019 20: 23 New
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      You me too, Victor! Do not tell me what is common between the reach in height and the first cosmic speed that you mentioned? The speed of "Block 2A" is approximately 14M, if you are interested. Flight range - 2500 km, reach at an altitude of 1500 km. And the first space is in no way connected with the reach in height.
      And about the fact that you can exclude me from the list of worthy interlocutors (in your opinion) - this is your right. Somehow I will survive it ...

      I liked your pick, and especially your Respect for each other!
  25. paul3390 16 November 2019 17: 54 New
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    Israel has bombed and bombed Syria. Ah, the Israelites fly low !?

    Israel most often does not enter Syrian airspace at all, dropping ammunition over Lebanon .. Do you propose that we shoot down Israelis in the Lebanese sky ?? Based on what? What are they bombing Syria from there? Do we really have an agreement to protect Syria? And if what our rocket crashes into a Lebanese city - then how can it be explained? We don’t seem to be fighting with them? No, the Syrians Nehai defend their heavens themselves. Well, we will help what we can ..
    1. Grigory Gromov 16 November 2019 21: 25 New
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      paul3390 (Paul), you are very mistaken! We have an agreement with Syria since the days of the USSR and it is valid! The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic was signed by the Government of the USSR and the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic on October 8, 1980 in Moscow. In December 1991, Syria recognized Russia as the legal successor of the USSR. The friendship treaty between the two countries is still valid.
    2. Pandiurin 17 November 2019 17: 49 New
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      "Israel most often does not enter Syrian airspace at all, dropping ammunition over Lebanon .. Are you suggesting we shoot down the Israelis in the Lebanese sky?"

      It is better if Lebanese climbers who do not like Israeli military aircraft with modern MANPADS suddenly find themselves in the Lebanese mountains. I would be very interested to know the result.
  26. tkachenko 16 November 2019 23: 50 New
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    Russian folk tales - s300, s500 .....
    1. Internship 17 November 2019 02: 45 New
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      Quote: tkachenko
      Russian folk tales - s300, s500

      And your baby talk. Apparently from Ukraine?
      1. tkachenko 17 November 2019 07: 22 New
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        So everything is only in theory, but you can advertise what you want
  27. Nick 17 November 2019 03: 24 New
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    And who will do all this? Indeed, now everyone, like Uncle Scrooge’s eyes, just has a glimpse of money, they don’t care about children, much less about some technical breakthroughs there.

    Do not sin at all. Be responsible for yourself.
  28. Vdi73 17 November 2019 08: 38 New
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    And why with Turkey?
  29. Old26 17 November 2019 12: 06 New
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    Quote: Grigory Gromov
    paul3390 (Paul), you are very mistaken! We have an agreement with Syria since the days of the USSR and it is valid! The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic was signed by the Government of the USSR and the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic on October 8, 1980 in Moscow. In December 1991, Syria recognized Russia as the legal successor of the USSR. The friendship treaty between the two countries is still valid.

    The agreement was renegotiated with Syria in the post-Soviet era. And most importantly, there is no article on defense and mutual assistance in it. An article remotely similar to this one sounds like this
    “In the event of an attack on one of the parties, the other will make all diplomatic efforts to extinguish the conflict” (not verbatim, but close to the text).
    So there’s no article on which we should fight with Syria’s neighbors
    1. Grigory Gromov 17 November 2019 19: 03 New
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      Quote: Old26
      The agreement was renegotiated with Syria in the post-Soviet era. And most importantly, there is no article on defense and mutual assistance in it. An article remotely similar to this one sounds like this
      “In the event of an attack on one of the parties, the other will make all diplomatic efforts to extinguish the conflict” (not verbatim, but close to the text).
      So there’s no article on which we should fight with Syria’s neighbors

      Stary26, the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic was signed by the Government of the USSR and the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic and was not renewed, but had an unlimited character.
      Article 6 “In the event of situations that threaten the peace or security of one of the Parties or pose a threat to peace or a violation of world peace and security, the High Contracting Parties will immediately enter into in contact with each other in order to coordinate their positions and cooperation to eliminate the threat and restore peace». Therefore you are wrong!
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      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Grigory Gromov
      paul3390 (Paul), you are very mistaken! We have an agreement with Syria since the days of the USSR and it is valid! The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic was signed by the Government of the USSR and the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic on October 8, 1980 in Moscow. In December 1991, Syria recognized Russia as the legal successor of the USSR. The friendship treaty between the two countries is still valid.

      The agreement was renegotiated with Syria in the post-Soviet era. And most importantly, there is no article on defense and mutual assistance in it. An article remotely similar to this one sounds like this
      “In the event of an attack on one of the parties, the other will make all diplomatic efforts to extinguish the conflict” (not verbatim, but close to the text).
      So there’s no article on which we should fight with Syria’s neighbors

      Sorry for my minus.
      I'm printing from the phone. hi
  30. Chaldon48 17 November 2019 12: 10 New
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    The S-400s and S-500s are so good that without killing anyone, they inspire great respect for themselves, and therefore for Russia.
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    Quote: ochakow703
    Everything is great! But there is a small question. When will our ESA drop someone? Well, for example, in Syria ...

    Have fun for you?
  32. GibSoN 17 November 2019 20: 12 New
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    Sohu: The capabilities of the Russian C-500 for the Pentagon were a shock
    Come on! Can coffee brew ?!
  33. GibSoN 17 November 2019 20: 21 New
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    It feels like the children are really going to .. What are the conflicts with Israel, the USA, etc.? Are you sane at all? Who is ready to go to fight right tomorrow? (Well, who is ready, of course, only wars of you are not any). Who is ready to sacrifice everything for the sake of Syria, which itself stirs in the wind ate? How many decades, the Russian Federation will be able to feed this Syria? Who needs it? Who recognizes her at all? What can she do besides oil? Some rubbish in your head ...
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    The capabilities of the Russian S-500 for the Pentagon were a shock


    Well, so far it’s only we who are shocked and not so much with the capabilities of the S-500 as with the fact that it’s not even in service with us yet. Some clever people like to troll the Armata, well, they say there are only a few dozen such tanks, and here the S-500 in general, no one in the eyes except the designers did not see.
  35. Old26 18 November 2019 12: 58 New
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    Quote: Grigory Gromov
    Quote: Old26
    The agreement was renegotiated with Syria in the post-Soviet era. And most importantly, there is no article on defense and mutual assistance in it. An article remotely similar to this one sounds like this
    “In the event of an attack on one of the parties, the other will make all diplomatic efforts to extinguish the conflict” (not verbatim, but close to the text).
    So there’s no article on which we should fight with Syria’s neighbors

    Stary26, the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Syrian Arab Republic was signed by the Government of the USSR and the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic and was not renewed, but had an unlimited character.
    Article 6 “In the event of situations that threaten the peace or security of one of the Parties or pose a threat to peace or a violation of world peace and security, the High Contracting Parties will immediately enter into in contact with each other in order to coordinate their positions and cooperation to eliminate the threat and restore peace». Therefore you are wrong!

    And what you highlighted in blue does not mean that both sides will make efforts precisely in the diplomatic field, and not in the military? By the way, right after the introduction of our contingent, Lavrov gave a press conference where he explained exactly this article of the contract. He was told that the introduction of the group does not mean that Russia will fight with countries with which Syria has conflict situations. And only a contingent is being introduced to help combat ISIS.
    And it really is. We are not at war with Israel, despite the presence of our military contingents there. Our air defense systems do not shoot down anyone's aircraft if they are not directed against us.
    So by and large I'm right
  36. Drupa 20 November 2019 11: 55 New
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    Well, let's try to figure out why our S-300 and S-400 do not have real combat use in Syria. Let's start from the stove. Our VKS arrived in Syria at the invitation of the government of this country to provide military assistance in the fight against ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation). To provide this assistance Min. The defense of the Russian Federation was attracted by a group consisting of bomber aircraft, fighter aircraft and electronic warfare equipment. Further, in the course of hostilities and taking into account the effectiveness of the actions of the ground forces of the Syrian army
    (it must be recognized that it is not always effective), the actions of long-range strategic bomber aviation and naval forces for delivering strikes from the sea by Caliber missiles were added to the existing VKS group. The main VKS group in Syria was based and is based at the Khmeimim airfield. It was for its cover from the air that the S-300 and S-400 air defense elements were deployed (namely the elements, and not the full-fledged complexes, since the full-fledged complex consists of six air defense systems). The amount of these elements is quite enough to complete the task, namely, the cover of our group. Full-fledged air or aerospace operations against our group for the whole time of stay in Khmeimin were neither undertaken by ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) nor by Israel, Turkey, the United States or NATO. The attempt to strike at the airdrome with the help of drones was successfully repelled by the forces of the Carapace M shell since they don’t shoot cannons from the sparrows. Today, "Shell M" is part of the standard S-400 air defense system for covering it from small and low-speed UAV-type targets. That is why we do not see the real combat use of the "Triumph". But I dare to assure you that if such a task were set by the command, then the calculations of our air defense systems in Syria would fulfill it with maximum efficiency. Why? Because, firstly: if you look at the map of the Khmeimim region, you can see that it is located at dominant heights (although this is not a prerequisite for the S-300 and S-400), and secondly: the combat calculations of our systems conduct daily trainings to support real aviation (both ours and Syrian), which means that the training of calculations is very high, which can not be said about the preparation of calculations of Syrian air defense (as a result, our downed transport plane, but that's another story), B thirdly: the same training in detecting, capturing and escorting is also carried out during the flights of Israeli and Turkish aircraft over the territory of Syria, in the fourth: bombing of Syrian territory by Israeli aviation is a matter of relations between Syria and Israel, to which we have nothing to do, they themselves they’ll figure it out, our task is to cover our VKS group. That's it, everything is quite simple. And finally, those who offer landfill conditions should not be taken into account. You should not think so. On combat firing in firing conditions, quite complex target situations are created both in altitude and speed and in maneuverability and mass. And with all these tasks, the S-300 and S-400 complex are successfully coping.
  37. Old26 23 November 2019 22: 11 New
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    It was for its cover from the air that the S-300 and S-400 air defense elements were deployed (namely the elements, and not the full-fledged complexes, since the full-fledged complex consists of six air defense systems).

    Elements of air defense systems - here you are rightly said. For ZRS - a regiment kit. But the division is a SAM. So the S-400 or S-300 air defense systems were deployed there. But there is actually no full-fledged air defense system