Russia is ready to transfer detained vessels to Ukraine in a Norman format

It became known about the future fate of two Ukrainian boats and a tugboat, which were detained by Russian border guards after violating the sea borders of the Russian Federation by their crews. Recall that the Ukrainian provocation took place last year and the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko is considered its organizer.

We are talking about three courts - "Berdyansk", "Nikopol" and "Yana Kapu", which are currently located in the Crimea. The Russian side notes that it is ready to transfer boats and a tugboat to Kiev.

The reports said that the transfer will take place before December 9.

Why is this date chosen for the "point X"? The fact is that the Norman Four summit is scheduled for December 9 in Paris. The willingness to participate in it was confirmed by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

The fact that Russia has made a fundamental decision on the transfer of ships to Ukraine, Kommersant writes. Edition claims that three Ukrainian vessels will be launched by Russian tugboats to the designated point, where the Navy tugboats will be waiting for them.

In Ukraine, they have not yet decided where exactly Berdyansk, Nikopol and Yana Kapu can be towed. Two options are considered: either Mariupol, or the base of VSMU in Odessa region. Recall that initially these ships were sent to Mariupol precisely from Odessa.

According to the latest information, weapon and ship documentation, which were on boats and in tow, will not be handed over to Kiev, as they are important material evidence in the case of armed violation of Russian maritime borders.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Except as targets at the training ground, they are not needed. Store them? Or, God forbid, repair? Here's another ... Still, they would have taken their remaining scrap metal from the Crimea ... They do not want to!

[Tatyana]

Russia is ready to transfer detained vessels to Ukraine in a Norman format

It is not clear why?
1. This will not affect the attitude of Macron and Merkel to Russia for the better, but will only be regarded as Russia's weakness. About Ukraine in general in this regard, even not worth talking!

2. And this is when, at the same time, Kolomoisky offers Ukraine to blackmail Washington with Ukraine’s rapprochement with Russia and tease Trump only because the United States does not give Ukraine credit. Yes, it is right that the USA does not give a loan! After all, Ukraine is not going to and will not repay this loan.
But the return of Russian warships to Ukraine now will be for Washington, like a rag for a bull, from Russia in favor of Ukraine!
What a strange Kolomoisky game, which even intends to ask Russia for a loan for Ukraine of $ 100 billion and is absolutely sure that Russia will give a loan to Ukraine ?!

3. And all this despite the fact that Ukraine has not returned the Russian tanker to Russia !!! And the detained captain of the Russian tanker simply managed to escape from Ukraine before the Ukrainian court!

[Spartanez300]

In general, this should not have been done; it was necessary to set aside trophies for a long time as scrap metal, but if it happens again, let it go to the bottom so that it would not be bad.

[hydrox]

Why to the bottom when it is high-quality scrap metal? It is quite suitable for the release of ship sheet steel.

[Lelek]

Quote: Tatiana

Yes, it is right that the USA does not give a loan! After all, Ukraine is not going to and will not repay this loan.

, Tatyana.
Tell this to the US Senate and Parliament, which, as accusations against Trump, put items related specifically to the former Ukraine. Already today, the headlines of the media in the "exclusive" are full of such announcements:

And the fact that this transfer of boxes to Kiev will be regarded as Russia's weakness, I completely agree with you and, as I wrote below, I think that they should have been transferred to LDNR (this is a trophy).

[AAK]

It is only necessary to act according to the law, if illegal border crossing and resistance to the border service implies confiscation of the vessel, then only confiscation and sale .. No "goodwill" gestures, they will be taken solely as a manifestation of Russia's weakness ... and, accordingly, they will first trumpet another "peremogu" and "europeysku solidarity against the aggressor", and then they will become even more impudent ... it's like in the case of an impudent pet, until you give it to your ears - you won't understand that you can't do this, therefore, "let" Ukraine into any little thing is to step on a rake

[kjhg]

Yes, yes, yes, only no adequate person in Russia already believes in fairy tales about HPP. Because these cunning plans go sideways, first of all, to the Russians themselves. Let's recall some of them. Putin issued a $ 3 billion loan to Yanukovych in exchange for Ukraine’s refusal of the Euro-association agreement. Where is the money now? Then, after the Maidan and the return of Crimea, Putin generously returns to Ukraine its military equipment located in the territory of Crimea. This weaponry is then used to destroy the Russians in the Donbass. Its inhabitants are infinitely grateful to him for this to this day. Today, another circus is unfolding on the extension of gas transit through Ukraine. And now they want to return these boats. For what? For another provocation? Hit one cheek, do you need to substitute the other? Better give these boats DNI to protect their waters in the Azov. In the end, you acknowledge that this is Ukrainian territory? So we will consider that returned.
In general, all these KhPPs are an invention of our propaganda to justify before our citizens the failure of foreign policy towards Ukraine.

[New Year day]

Quote: kjhg

all these HPPs are an invention of our propaganda

Well, you can’t so openly scoff at your opponents!

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Except as targets at the training ground, they are not needed. Store them?
... Still, they would have taken away the rest of the scrap metal from the Crimea ...

Remelting in the steps of the Temple

[The leader of the Redskins]

However, the commentators' rhetoric a year ago was completely different! You remember, there "ears from a dead donkey" were the most harmless! And now? Quietly, without too much pomp, they seem to finish carrying out the decision of the maritime tribunal ...

[zache]

The Russian "patriot" is a master in over-shoeing, in this he will be humbled.

[Greg Miller]

Yes, these "patriots" even know how to extol their own surrender as a victory ... Ie. are no different from their Ukrainian colleagues ...

[Greg Miller]

Something I have not heard about Ukraine's desire to return the seiner "Nord" or the tanker "Mechanic Pogodin" to Russia ... And in general, Ukraine, with its provocation in the Kerch Strait, without losses, solved the problems of its navigation in the Sea of ​​Azov - Ukrainian ships are now much faster than before the provocation, they cross the Kerch Strait ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Greg Miller

Ukrainian ships are now much faster than before the provocation, overcome the Kerch Strait

[Greg Miller]

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/246158/

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Greg Miller

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/246158/

With the accession in Kiev Zelensky Russia sharply and pointedly loosened border control for any vessels sailing under the Crimean bridge to the Ukrainian ports of Berdyansk and Mariupol and returning back. More recently, if you didn’t forget, these vessels had to wait days to wait for permission to pass, causing significant losses to their owners, and literally ruining the economy of the main ports of Ukraine on Azov

So what? Where here

Quote: Greg Miller

Ukraine its provocation in the Kerch Strait, without loss, solved problems of their shipping in the Sea of ​​Azov - Ukrainian ships now much faster than before the provocation overcome the Kerch Strait ...

I don’t see the connection ... buddy Logic, however - I also do not see

[Lelek]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Except as targets at the training ground, they are not needed.

IMHO, I think that it was necessary to transfer the "boxes" to the LDNR, they would be good enough for them, and now the transfer of them to the Ruin will look like its "override". I can imagine what a victorious "high" will rise in Kukuev. And all this against the background of the upcoming "four". Maybe there are some top secret ideas about this (like, how to bite yourself on the buttock)?

[4ekist]

Let them pay for parking and security and storage in hard currency.

[Kasym]

This metal is on the target.

[Victor_B]

Let them also take away scrap metal from Donuzlav.
And all the same, the money goes to ensure that this stuff is not drowned.
In the end, just pump out water from the holds periodically.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Store them? Or, God forbid, repair? Here's another ... Still, they would have taken their rest of the scrap metal from the Crimea ...

Quote: Victor_B

anyway, the money goes to ensure that this stuff is not drowned.
In the end, just pump out water from the holds periodically.

you still want to say that the Russian Federation has unraveled the cunning plan of the Ukrainians and is preparing economic diversion against country 404? Good idea

[next322]

there is no scrap metal in the Donuzlav ........ it has long been assembled in Strelets ...

[RideMaster]

Tired of honestly this is peacemaking. For some reason, all this peacekeeping from the gdp is always against the Russians.

[Thrifty]

Tired of these meaningless goodwill gestures on the part of the Kremlin. If it’s true, give such kind of jokes, give them to the republics, and tell Kiev that they say they also gave ukroin, just to drive them closer. ..

[The leader of the Redskins]

That is, to recognize the LPR and the DNI Ukroina? And who are you after that, my friend? That I read, people from nowhere taking a minus complain ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

That is, to recognize the LPR and the DNI Ukroina? And who are you after that, my friend?

And when did Russia recognize LDNR as independent, independent states? So far, he considers them regions of Ukraine.

[YOUR]

They won’t take it. Otherwise, what to cry and suffer over.

[Comrade]

the Norman Four summit is scheduled for December 9 in Paris.

Not so long ago it was said that until Ukraine makes changes to the constitution according to "Minsk", Zelensky will not see the summit as ears without a mirror. There are no changes in the constitution of Ukraine, but the summit is just around the corner.
It is not clear why they changed their position, why do we need a meeting for the sake of meeting?

[The leader of the Redskins]

I think the whole thing is gas. And I won’t be surprised if after some time we become witnesses of any contradictory decisions ....

[RideMaster]

Well, on the one hand, yes, for the sake of dough everything. A budget of $ 267 billion in 2018, $ 307 in 2019; a budget of $ 2020 billion is planned for 325. Infrastructure is developing, dofiga what is being built, the little stuffed. Things are good.
But there is sediment. The loss with this Ukraine is not great if they don’t sell gas and pump through them.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Do not tell. OUR lose - the usual thing. There Africa is not so much written off. Another thing is that they will get. Firstly, so missing pennies, and secondly, a political victory. Look, they say, Russia was given! Let for pennies, but given!

[ML-334]

Debts written off-take resources-everything is fine. This is politics and not everything is clear to us.

[Piramidon]

Quote: RideMaster

The loss with this Ukraine is not great if they don’t sell gas and pump through them.

It is not in Ukraine, but in Europe. The gas supply contract needs to be fulfilled. And without UkroGTS this cannot be done, even after the commissioning of SP-2. About 15 billion cubic meters will still need to be supplied somehow. You can, of course, at the expense of LNG, but this is at a loss.

[New Year day]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I think it's all about gas ...

and in the maritime court, which we do not care about, and the desire to make peace with Ukraine.

[Lelek]

Quote: Comrade

There are no changes in the constitution of Ukraine, but the summit is on the nose ..

Moreover, the former Ukraine, through Prystaiko's mouth, voiced the prospect of its unilateral refusal to carry out Minsk 2. And this is also on the eve of the "meeting of the four", and the Western "guarantors" are like water in the mouth.

[Kerensky]

But the tugboat was armed .. Not by the concept of it. Boats okay, but the tugboat has a different status.
Yes, and why give it to you? It’s possible even at the time, - the issue is solved with one phone call ...

[Evil 55]

Yes, right .. It makes no sense to keep a post there, to guard the "samotopes" ..

[taiga2018]

I think it's time to admit that Putin has grown old, Putin is tired, this was especially evident in the footage from Brazil ... The government, namely Putin's entourage, is doing everything to lift the sanctions ... To somehow shake up the Russian economy, one must either start to fight corruption , but this is impossible, because it will be "bees against honey", or to achieve the lifting of sanctions, so they come up with all sorts of gestures of goodwill ...

[Evgeniy667b]

he had better wear his rabbit hat. as in the 70s of the last century!

[Guards turn]

There, at the summit in Paris, in the presence of Macron and Merkel, immediately take a receipt from the participant in the "95 quarter" that he will not act like his predecessor and this will not happen again.

[Amateur]

The fact that Russia made a fundamental decision on the transfer of ships to Ukraine, writes "Kommersant".

They also found the "last resort" truth.

[igorlvov]

and our fishermen are still horseless, they haven’t returned anything to them, like this ...

[Moskovit]

Our people are shaking everything, authorities say. Now Kremlin propagandists will come up with the next tales of how it is profitable to give these tubs to Ukraine.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Moskovit

Our people are shaking everything, authorities say. Now Kremlin propagandists will come up with the next tales of how it is profitable to give these tubs to Ukraine.

Kremlin propagandists - they are. They’ll come up with anything.

[Antares]

Russia is ready to transfer detained vessels to Ukraine in a Norman format

ships?
Or ships?
All are armed (they even write about a tugboat)
boats are originally military.
and it’s better to give these ships over. It’s better not to mess with the Maritime Tribunal.
And then the next time no one in the Russian Federation will help in a similar situation.
And you can’t even say HPP (although the articles are riveting Why they gave it away for a reason)
to the people. The people in the Russian Federation are patient. He will understand.
It should!

[rotmistr60]

Well, at least the weapons and documentation are not given. In general, this broad gesture on the part of Russia will only lead to a new surge of "Ukrainian patriotism" and a howl about the "victory" won. If this is for Merkel and Macron, then they are unlikely to appreciate this gesture of goodwill.

[New Year day]

Quote: rotmistr60

Well, at least they don’t give up weapons and documentation.

all the same, this makes no sense: all the participants were returned to Ukraine, do you think they will return to Russia for investigative actions?
The investigation is over - forget, there was nothing

[Vasyan1971]

The Russian side notes that it is ready to transfer boats and a tugboat to Kiev.

And then it begins to expand the parking just in case ...

[iouris]

The investigation is completed. The trial took place. A harsh sentence to violators of the state border has been handed down. Criminal evidence to return.

[Antares]

Our write

UPDATED at 13:18. Ukrainian tugboats SAPFIR, TITAN and HAJDAMAKA left the ports of Chernomorsk, Yuzhny and Odessa today and head towards the southern coast of the Crimean peninsula. The Ukrainian National Portal believes that they are sent to occupied Kerch to pick up Berdyansk, Nikopol, and Yana Kapu.

Duma no

[Antares]

Already confirmed the information on the release of tugs from the ports.

The ships captured by the Russians will be returned to Ukraine tonight: tugboats have already left them
According to Duma, the meeting will take place on the open sea about 60 miles from Odessa, near the Crimean cape Tarhankut.
In what condition are the boats and “Yana Kapu” after a year's captivity, it is unknown

[cat Rusich]

So the cars would be returned from the impound, a "gesture of goodwill" from the traffic police ...

[Antares]

search and rescue "Sapphire" is approaching the meeting place.

[petrol cutter]

That you give her these unfortunate steamers. All one, they do not affect anything. And UA- nice and Russia- showed generosity. And the desire for world peace.

[NF68]

Can’t leave be left?